News:

It appears that the upgrade forces a login and many, many of you have forgotten your passwords and didn't set up any reminders. Contact me directly through helpmelogin@dodgecharger.com and I'll help sort it out.

Main Menu

Will Electric Cars Outsell Internal Combustion

Started by Ghoste, October 09, 2019, 06:26:35 AM

Previous topic - Next topic

How Long Before Electric Cars Dominate The Market

Five Years
Ten Years
Fifteen Years
More Than Fifteen
Never

BSB67

Subscribe to Automotive News.  I think you can get one month special offer for one dollar.  Read it every day for a month.  Report back where the majors are, and even more importantly where they are not putting their money and research.  Be objective.

500" NA, Eddy head, pump gas, exhaust manifold with 2 1/2 exhaust with tailpipes
4150 lbs with driver, 3.23 gear, stock converter
11.68 @ 120.2 mph

cdr

LINK TO MY STORY http://www.onallcylinders.com/2015/11/16/ride-shares-charlie-keel-battles-cancer-ms-to-build-brilliant-1968-dodge-charger/  
                                                                                           
68 Charger 512 cid,9.7to1,Hilborn EFI,Home ported 440 source heads,small hyd roller cam,COLD A/C ,,a518 trans,Dana 60 ,4.10 gear,10.93 et,4100lbs on street tires full exhaust daily driver
Charger55 by Charlie Keel, on Flickr

Kern Dog


BSB67

Quote from: cdr on October 12, 2019, 03:16:26 PM
:icon_smile_big:



Not all emissions from EGU's are the same.  The NG fired EGU and american coal fired EGUs are a net positive for the environment.  China however, the net emissions for EV is greater than from gasoline.

500" NA, Eddy head, pump gas, exhaust manifold with 2 1/2 exhaust with tailpipes
4150 lbs with driver, 3.23 gear, stock converter
11.68 @ 120.2 mph

alfaitalia

I'm surprised at that....thought a high percentage of Chinese power came from nuclear.
If at first you don't succeed, skydiving is not for you !!

BSB67

Quote from: alfaitalia on October 12, 2019, 05:07:36 PM
I'm surprised at that....thought a high percentage of Chinese power came from nuclear.

Mostly coal.  2 or 3% from nuclear.

500" NA, Eddy head, pump gas, exhaust manifold with 2 1/2 exhaust with tailpipes
4150 lbs with driver, 3.23 gear, stock converter
11.68 @ 120.2 mph

BrianShaughnessy

I'm patiently waiting on Jeep to show up with a electric / hybrid Cherokee something that I can safely commute 365 / year in NY.

Electric only cars still have range issues that may or not get me to work and back.   I know of several hybrid drivers at work... but I'd never get caught dead buying a prius.




Black Betty:  1969 Charger R/T - X9 440 six pack, TKO600 5 speed, 3.73 Dana 60.
Sinnamon:  1969 Charger R/T - T5 440, 727, 3.23 8 3/4 high school sweetheart.

green69rt

Quote from: BSB67 on October 12, 2019, 09:38:14 PM
Quote from: alfaitalia on October 12, 2019, 05:07:36 PM
I'm surprised at that....thought a high percentage of Chinese power came from nuclear.

Mostly coal.  2 or 3% from nuclear.

I think that's right.  China is desperate to get away from coal because of the pollution problems and the need to import coal, including from us!!   For them, a good alternative is natural gas, because they can convert coal plants easier than build new, but they don't have a lot of infrastructure to import. Last I saw they have a big project with Russia to build a gas pipeline.

They are really pushing the EV industry also because they import a lot of oil from the middle east which is a problem for them as they have a large Muslim population that they treat like sh*t.  Tesla is a big player in China but only until they can steal the technology.

Fitz73Chrgr

My wife and I visited Norway earlier this year.  Over there, more than half of all new cars sold are full-EV's. 
'73 Charger - project                '70 Charger - driver                 '66 Charger - survivor

Resto thread:
http://www.dodgecharger.com/forum/index.php/topic,89803.msg1019541.html#msg1019541

Mytur Binsdirti

I just looked up Norway & it is about the size of California with less population than Massachusetts. Most of the population lives in the southern part of the country and I would guess in small countries where people don't travel much, electric cars do make sense.

BSB67

Car sales in the US represents about 4% of total global car sales.

500" NA, Eddy head, pump gas, exhaust manifold with 2 1/2 exhaust with tailpipes
4150 lbs with driver, 3.23 gear, stock converter
11.68 @ 120.2 mph

odcics2

Quote from: BSB67 on October 14, 2019, 06:13:07 AM
Car sales in the US represents about 4% of total global car sales.

Link to actual numbers...   US is above 4%.  WAY above, in fact. 

https://www.factorywarrantylist.com/car-sales-by-country.html


I've never owned anything but a MoPar. Can you say that?

odcics2

Quote from: cdr on October 12, 2019, 03:16:26 PM
:icon_smile_big:



Would you agree that environmental pollution increases the risk of getting cancer?

A few of us reading this thread are cancer survivors.     
I've never owned anything but a MoPar. Can you say that?

BSB67

Quote from: odcics2 on October 14, 2019, 08:06:53 AM
Quote from: BSB67 on October 14, 2019, 06:13:07 AM
Car sales in the US represents about 4% of total global car sales.

Link to actual numbers...   US is above 4%.  WAY above, in fact. 

https://www.factorywarrantylist.com/car-sales-by-country.html



You are correct.  My mistake. 

500" NA, Eddy head, pump gas, exhaust manifold with 2 1/2 exhaust with tailpipes
4150 lbs with driver, 3.23 gear, stock converter
11.68 @ 120.2 mph

Mike DC

         
QuoteI just looked up Norway & it is about the size of California with less population than Massachusetts. Most of the population lives in the southern part of the country and I would guess in small countries where people don't travel much, electric cars do make sense.


Simple yardstick - if the vehicle had a gasoline engine, would it be practical with only a 5-gallon tank? 


A commuter car in a dense city?  No problem at all.   

A snow-plowing pickup truck in a hilly rural area?  Forget it.   
   

odcics2

Another interesting chart: where the middle class went...

Remember the days when GM had over 50% of the market?
All the parts for cars were made here. All the tooling was made here. 
Heck all the vehicles we used to buy were made here.

Notice the rise of Chinese vehicle production!!

So, we are building less here but have a strong market.   Imports are eating our breakfast, lunch and soon dinner, too. 
Manufacturing jobs built the US.   What's to carry us on?   Serving burgers?
I've never owned anything but a MoPar. Can you say that?

Ponch ®

LOL some of you guys crack me up. Not everything that is new or different from "the way things have always been"  is a liberal conspiracy to undermine the american way of life. I realize some of you still think cassette tapes are part of a socialist plot (because you know, sharing music), but damn, use some common sense.

I daily drive a plug-in hybrid. I don't give a fck about the environment. I give a fck about 45 mpg  vs.  the 18-20 I get on my 5.7 Daytona. When you commute a minimum of 140 miles daily, thats about $16 a day vs. $30 a day at current gas prices- a difference of about $14/day.; or $70/week; or $300-350/month; or...well, you get the idea.
"I spent most of my money on cars, birds, and booze. The rest I squandered." - George Best

Chrysler Performance West

cdr

Quote from: odcics2 on October 14, 2019, 08:12:41 AM
Quote from: cdr on October 12, 2019, 03:16:26 PM
:icon_smile_big:



Would you agree that environmental pollution increases the risk of getting cancer?

A few of us reading this thread are cancer survivors.    

I agree !! OH by the way I too am a cancer survivor . if you read my story in the link on the bottom you would have known that. it even says it in the link title.
LINK TO MY STORY http://www.onallcylinders.com/2015/11/16/ride-shares-charlie-keel-battles-cancer-ms-to-build-brilliant-1968-dodge-charger/  
                                                                                           
68 Charger 512 cid,9.7to1,Hilborn EFI,Home ported 440 source heads,small hyd roller cam,COLD A/C ,,a518 trans,Dana 60 ,4.10 gear,10.93 et,4100lbs on street tires full exhaust daily driver
Charger55 by Charlie Keel, on Flickr

Aero426

Quote from: green69rt on October 13, 2019, 06:05:20 PM
.  Tesla is a big player in China but only until they can steal the technology.

By the time they chew him up and spit him out,   China will own Musk and Tesla.   

Kern Dog

Quote from: cdr on October 14, 2019, 10:50:37 AM
Quote from: odcics2 on October 14, 2019, 08:12:41 AM
Quote from: cdr on October 12, 2019, 03:16:26 PM
:icon_smile_big:



Would you agree that environmental pollution increases the risk of getting cancer?

A few of us reading this thread are cancer survivors.    

I agree !! OH by the way I too am a cancer survivor . if you read my story in the link on the bottom you would have known that. it even says it in the link title.

The air and water is cleaner NOW than it was when our parents were our age. The medicine available to us is supposed to be more effective. WE drink more water, smoke fewer cigarettes, eat less meat and go to the doctor with more frequency.
Electric cars have zero appeal to me.

Ghoste


odcics2

Quote from: cdr on October 14, 2019, 10:50:37 AM
Quote from: odcics2 on October 14, 2019, 08:12:41 AM
Quote from: cdr on October 12, 2019, 03:16:26 PM
:icon_smile_big:



Would you agree that environmental pollution increases the risk of getting cancer?

A few of us reading this thread are cancer survivors.    

I agree !! OH by the way I too am a cancer survivor . if you read my story in the link on the bottom you would have known that. it even says it in the link title.

So, this environmental crisis is not make believe, like the joke you posted? 
I think "we" have and continue to wreck the earth, leading to guys like you, me and others to have cancer at early ages. 

Cancer isn't liberal or conservative.   It kills everyone... 
I've never owned anything but a MoPar. Can you say that?

odcics2

Quote from: Kern Dog on October 15, 2019, 11:11:02 PM
Quote from: cdr on October 14, 2019, 10:50:37 AM
Quote from: odcics2 on October 14, 2019, 08:12:41 AM
Quote from: cdr on October 12, 2019, 03:16:26 PM
:icon_smile_big:



Would you agree that environmental pollution increases the risk of getting cancer?

A few of us reading this thread are cancer survivors.    

I agree !! OH by the way I too am a cancer survivor . if you read my story in the link on the bottom you would have known that. it even says it in the link title.

The air and water is cleaner NOW than it was when our parents were our age. The medicine available to us is supposed to be more effective. WE drink more water, smoke fewer cigarettes, eat less meat and go to the doctor with more frequency.
Electric cars have zero appeal to me.

I agree with you Greg.  Yet NOW we have a guy in DC undermining decades of progress.  California has been in the lead to getting cleaner air and water.  Now, it's in court to keep that right!!   

Oh, not a fan of electric cars, unless I could charge in the same time like a normal gas fillup.   I'm in my 60s.  Time is more valuable and you can't buy it! 
     
I've never owned anything but a MoPar. Can you say that?

cdr

LINK TO MY STORY http://www.onallcylinders.com/2015/11/16/ride-shares-charlie-keel-battles-cancer-ms-to-build-brilliant-1968-dodge-charger/  
                                                                                           
68 Charger 512 cid,9.7to1,Hilborn EFI,Home ported 440 source heads,small hyd roller cam,COLD A/C ,,a518 trans,Dana 60 ,4.10 gear,10.93 et,4100lbs on street tires full exhaust daily driver
Charger55 by Charlie Keel, on Flickr

Aero426

Mass adoption of electrics will be driven by a governmental top-down approach.      You can see how this is playing out in some European countries.      

In the USA,  EV's remain inconsequential and will continue to be for the short term.    If the current US administration remains in power in 2021,  you can kick the EV can down the road another four years, regardless of the electric dog food the manufacturers will try to serve up.    If the liberals regain power in 2021,  you can be sure that EV tax incentives will be on the table.