https://www.mecum.com/auctions/kissimmee-2020/collections/tony-dagostino-collect

[nascarxx29]

https://www.mecum.com/auctions/kissimmee-2020/collections/tony-dagostino-collection/

[Mytur Binsdirti]

Looks like he's decided that now's the time for him to cash out.

[Ghoste]

A nice set of cars thats for sure.

[odcics2]

Bird screen on the Daytona?   

[Mytur Binsdirti]

I wonder what's going on to cause the rust stains on the top radiator tank around the radiator cap on the Daytona?

Also, why does it have a 1970 VIN sticker in the driver's door jamb?


Not trying to pick it apart, just observations.

[odcics2]

I wonder what's going on to cause the rust stains on the top radiator tank around the radiator cap on the Daytona?

Also, why does it have a 1970 VIN sticker in the driver's door jamb?


Not trying to pick it apart, just observations.

same here...   

[Alaskan_TA]

Wasn't there a past post here about ECS making broadcast sheets for the Daytona?

Edit - Found it - http://www.dodgecharger.com/forum/index.php/topic,92926.0.html

[Mytur Binsdirti]

Wasn't there a past post here about ECS making broadcast sheets for the Daytona?

Edit - Found it - http://www.dodgecharger.com/forum/index.php/topic,92926.0.html

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xCc-RWIp7XU

[Beep Beep Dave]

Also, why does it have a 1970 VIN sticker in the driver's door jamb?

Daytona's should have the VIN sticker on the door. Most people don't think about it but the Daytona's were being shipped to dealers as the 1970 Model Year cars were also being made and shipped.

Dave

[Beep Beep Dave]

I believe Tony D still has more cars. Maybe Mecum presented him with an offer he couldn't refuse? Look at those You Tube video's...they are very well done. And those really seem to be quality cars he is offering up. I was drooling while I was watching them last night.

Dave

[birdsandbees]

Well there's an hour read I won't get back...    RIP David ...

[Mopar John]

Also, why does it have a 1970 VIN sticker in the driver's door jamb?

Daytona's should have the VIN sticker on the door. Most people don't think about it but the Daytona's were being shipped to dealers as the 1970 Model Year cars were also being made and shipped.

Dave

I don't think that's totally correct.
The 2 Daytona's that I have owned did not have them.
There was a discussion about this topic at one time and it depended on the build date of the car.
But I don't remember when the stickers started showing up?
MJ

[Beep Beep Dave]

I would think the door VIN sticker was mandated by the feds for the 1970 model year. For Chrysler that would have started Aug 1st 1969. So seeing that some Daytonas were delivered before that date I could see why your car(s) didn't have one. I made to broad of a statement. Thanks for the correction.

Dave

[Mytur Binsdirti]

Also, why does it have a 1970 VIN sticker in the driver's door jamb?

Daytona's should have the VIN sticker on the door. Most people don't think about it but the Daytona's were being shipped to dealers as the 1970 Model Year cars were also being made and shipped.





Dave

I don't think that's totally correct.
The 2 Daytona's that I have owned did not have them.
There was a discussion about this topic at one time and it depended on the build date of the car.
But I don't remember when the stickers started showing up?
MJ

The three that I have owned over the years did not have them either.

[Finoke]

It will be interesting to see what they go for. I remember seeing the Challenger convertible when he first got it 20 years ago. A very nice original car.

[mel t]

Nice car!

[TONY]

I wonder what's going on to cause the rust stains on the top radiator tank around the radiator cap on the Daytona?

Also, why does it have a 1970 VIN sticker in the driver's door jamb?


Not trying to pick it apart, just observations.

If i recall correctly the vin sticker was on the door jamb prior to disassembly for restoration so we put it back

the coolant was just filled (overfull really) and the cap wasn't all the way tight, so after the car was shut off after running at operating temp, some coolant came out of the cap and the residue wasn't wiped off prior to the video.
so even though it has a new core radiator and of course the engine block was tanked/cleaned, but that was close to 10 years ago, so i guess the coolant has some rust color to it.

it has the octogon grille as some other original Daytonas had. thats been documented by dave patik, frank badalson and also dave benasutti who have all seen original unrestored daytonas with the octagon grille. when my car was disassembled it showed all the signs of having been in the nose since new

i'm selling because i have too many cars and not enough time to use them. i haven't driven some of my cars in years, and its just doing me or the cars justice to have them sit like they are. besides the 5 cars at auction ill still have 6 old cars and a couple of harleys.

[TONY]

It will be interesting to see what they go for. I remember seeing the Challenger convertible when he first got it 20 years ago. A very nice original car.

thank you
you know ive owned that car over 20 years and have never registered it and driven it besides my trip home from buying the car.

thats my motivation for selling.

[Mytur Binsdirti]

I wonder what's going on to cause the rust stains on the top radiator tank around the radiator cap on the Daytona?

Also, why does it have a 1970 VIN sticker in the driver's door jamb?


Not trying to pick it apart, just observations.

If i recall correctly the vin sticker was on the door jamb prior to disassembly for restoration so we put it back

the coolant was just filled (overfull really) and the cap wasn't all the way tight, so after the car was shut off after running at operating temp, some coolant came out of the cap and the residue wasn't wiped off prior to the video.
so even though it has a new core radiator and of course the engine block was tanked/cleaned, but that was close to 10 years ago, so i guess the coolant has some rust color to it.

it has the octogon grille as some other original Daytonas had. thats been documented by dave patik, frank badalson and also dave benasutti who have all seen original unrestored daytonas with the octagon grille. when my car was disassembled it showed all the signs of having been in the nose since new

i'm selling because i have too many cars and not enough time to use them. i haven't driven some of my cars in years, and its just doing me or the cars justice to have them sit like they are. besides the 5 cars at auction ill still have 6 old cars and a couple of harleys.

Thanks for the explanations and best of luck with the auctions.   

[gtx6970]

It will be interesting to see what they go for. I remember seeing the Challenger convertible when he first got it 20 years ago. A very nice original car.

thank you
you know ive owned that car over 20 years and have never registered it and driven it besides my trip home from buying the car.

thats my motivation for selling.

Tony,
Good luck with the sales, Hopefully all sell and make a nice retirement nest egg.

I would LOVE to have the 1966 Satellite myself over all the others combined. 'But''''' odds are its well outside my target budget

[TONY]

thanks for the kind words guys, 

[69bronzeT5]

Killer cars.....good luck with the auction Tony 

[odcics2]

"it has the octogon grille as some other original Daytonas had. thats been documented by dave patik, frank badalson and also dave benasutti who have all seen original unrestored daytonas with the octagon grille. when my car was disassembled it showed all the signs of having been in the nose since new"


Are there pics of the cars at Creative or being hauled to dealerships with these Bird grilles?   That would be 100% proof this happened.

There was a Daytona about a 1/2 mile from my house when I was 13.  By the summer of 1970 that grille was mashed in.
What's to say the guy went to a dealer and asked for a grille and got a Bird part?  He put it in and 40 years later it appears original.

Weren't all the Daytonas out the door and at dealers before the Birds even got started?   I just find it hard to believe that random Daytonas got Bird grilles installed at Creative when they weren't being produced yet.   

 

[AKcharger]

I might have to run down there and bid on one...no way I'll win it but will be fun to say I bid on a Daytona 

[nascarxx29]

The octagon Daytona square mesh wasn't a specific.wingcar part it was expanded metal.
.On another note we know 340 ta motors at factory went into dusters to keep line going when a short age occured.And chyrsler had subvendors as in the case of Hackett brass I found. Casted Daytona wings.I agree I would like a day one picture.Without hexagon.It could be easily damaged in transport to dealer or the hauler.And car sat unsold and screen was swapped?Like wheel covers by dealers.But a day one picture.Or random workmanship.Might been what happened.We will never know for sure.Like a 70 Daytona issue

"it has the octogon grille as some other original Daytonas had. thats been documented by dave patik, frank badalson and also dave benasutti who have all seen original unrestored daytonas with the octagon grille. when my car was disassembled it showed all the signs of having been in the nose since new"


Are there pics of the cars at Creative or being hauled to dealerships with these Bird grilles?   That would be 100% proof this happened.

There was a Daytona about a 1/2 mile from my house when I was 13.  By the summer of 1970 that grille was mashed in.
What's to say the guy went to a dealer and asked for a grille and got a Bird part?  He put it in and 40 years later it appears original.

Weren't all the Daytonas out the door and at dealers before the Birds even got started?   I just find it hard to believe that random Daytonas got Bird grilles installed at Creative when they weren't being produced yet.   

 

[odcics2]

The Daytona Parts List calls out a part number when the rectangular slotted screen is cut to size from the bulk piece of embossed metal supplied by H&K. 

http://www.dodgecharger.com/forum/index.php?topic=26247.0

When I worked at the Chrysler Trenton Engine Plant in 1976, I saw a 4 bbl. camshaft get installed into 2 bbl. engines.  Yes it did happen!

But putting a hex screen that wasn't being produced yet into a Daytona nose at Creative, well, hard to believe.   

Now, if BOTH cars were being produced at the same time, YES, it could have happened at assembly.   

[nascarxx29]

  where the mythbusters these days Adam an&Jamie. Can a existing piece of superbird hex screen only being creased In the middle fit exactly to Daytona.With no other modification.And vice versa a Daytona screen flattened fit the superbird opening.Without no other modification?

[nascarxx29]

Part numbers aside from owning both types of wingcars some parts will interchange.Can the screens interchange between the two?

[odcics2]

where the mythbusters these days Adam an&Jamie. Can a existing piece of superbird hex screen only being creased In the middle fit exactly to Daytona.With no other modification.And vice versa a Daytona screen flattened fit the superbird opening.Without no other modification?

Great idea!    

I believe I still have an extra Daytona screen.   I don't have a Bird screen.  
Thinking a Bird screen would have to be cut down to fit.   

Any Birds around with Daytona screens??  

[moparstuart]

when i got my Superbird nose it had the Daytona style screen in it     

[TONY]

letter from Dave Patik and 2 pics (the front spoiler and grill/surround had been painted red)

"To: 1969 Dodge Daytona car owner, restorer, judges of car #XX29L9B390018

This car has a grill screen not commonly seen on a Daytona. Here is a summation of research since 1975 by the Winged Warrior Auto Club regarding Daytona grill screens.

There was no evidence that the front end of this car had ever been apart, This car was last driven in 1974, and previously owned by that prior owner from 1972-1974 when it was sold to the next owners, then parked until 2005.

The picture I'm looking at shows a hexagonal grill screen, which has evidence of ripping outward. Perhaps the screen caught on something, and ripped when the car was pulled back from that object caught on the screen.
If the damage occurred when the car was still being driven, a new grill screen almost surely would have been available new from a Mopar dealer prior to 1972.

Daytona one-owner cars were occasionally seen at Winged Warrior car shows in the mid-and-later 1970s, and several of these cars had hexagonal grill screens. When I asked the owners about this, the answer was always "that's what the car had when I bought it new."

It is difficult to make a Daytona grill screen by hand; not only is it bent obviously horizontally, but it also is pooched out vertically, in the middle. This takes a die to form.

This car's grill screen was indeed formed correctly, and the screen in the picture, when removed from the nose, had vacated holes for the upper row of studs, and for the lower row of screws. It would be very unlikely that a dealer-replacement grill screen would have vacated pass-through holes. The grill frame hardware all appeared to be matching.

Superbird one-owner cars have been reported with "Daytona" grill screens, meaning rectangular holes. The car restorer reports that a new-old-stock hexagonal grill screen has been installed on the car now.

I believe this car originally had a hexagonal grill screen.

David J. Patik
Owner/Operator
Performance Car Graphics
Writer for Winged Warriors/National B-Body Owners Association"

[moparstuart]

letter from Dave Patik and 2 pics (the front spoiler and grill/surround had been painted red)

"To: 1969 Dodge Daytona car owner, restorer, judges of car #XX29L9B390018

This car has a grill screen not commonly seen on a Daytona. Here is a summation of research since 1975 by the Winged Warrior Auto Club regarding Daytona grill screens.

There was no evidence that the front end of this car had ever been apart, This car was last driven in 1974, and previously owned by that prior owner from 1972-1974 when it was sold to the next owners, then parked until 2005.

The picture I'm looking at shows a hexagonal grill screen, which has evidence of ripping outward. Perhaps the screen caught on something, and ripped when the car was pulled back from that object caught on the screen.
If the damage occurred when the car was still being driven, a new grill screen almost surely would have been available new from a Mopar dealer prior to 1972.

Daytona one-owner cars were occasionally seen at Winged Warrior car shows in the mid-and-later 1970s, and several of these cars had hexagonal grill screens. When I asked the owners about this, the answer was always "that's what the car had when I bought it new."

It is difficult to make a Daytona grill screen by hand; not only is it bent obviously horizontally, but it also is pooched out vertically, in the middle. This takes a die to form.

This car's grill screen was indeed formed correctly, and the screen in the picture, when removed from the nose, had vacated holes for the upper row of studs, and for the lower row of screws. It would be very unlikely that a dealer-replacement grill screen would have vacated pass-through holes. The grill frame hardware all appeared to be matching.

Superbird one-owner cars have been reported with "Daytona" grill screens, meaning rectangular holes. The car restorer reports that a new-old-stock hexagonal grill screen has been installed on the car now.

I believe this car originally had a hexagonal grill screen.

David J. Patik
Owner/Operator
Performance Car Graphics
Writer for Winged Warriors/National B-Body Owners Association"

worst case its a cool as found conversation piece and sets it apart from all the other daytonas   

[TONY]

worst case its a cool as found conversation piece and sets it apart from all the other daytonas

[odcics2]

Found the original screen from XX29L9B383272.

What's the dimensions of a Bird screen?

Tony - Cool info for sure.  Documented at least as far back as the early 70s.
 
Man, wish there was a pic at a dealership, or better yet, at Creative!

[Mopar John]

What I find ironic about all this is that another Daytona also restored by Mike Mancini has the same style grill screen!
I have attached a picture of this Daytona when I still owned it.
I can attest that the grill screen was in there all the way back to 1973!
MJ

[moparstuart]

Found the original screen from XX29L9B383272.

What's the dimensions of a Bird screen?

Tony - Cool info for sure.  Documented at least as far back as the early 70s.
 
Man, wish there was a pic at a dealership, or better yet, at Creative!

i still have my bird mounted  daytona style mesh at home on the wall in the garage ill try and measure it tonight and post pictures 

[nascarxx29]

Great reference info

[Mytur Binsdirti]

What I find ironic about all this is that another Daytona also restored by Mike Mancini has the same style grill screen!
I have attached a picture of this Daytona when I still owned it.
I can attest that the grill screen was in there all the way back to 1973!
MJ

Could it be that it was replaced with the bird screen because that's what the Daytona grille screen part number superseded to as a replacement in the early 70's?

[odcics2]

Great reference info

This kind of digging for info is great!   

[nascarxx29]

Now we got could Daytona front spoiler be black or body color
http://www.dodgecharger.com/forum/index.php?topic=84260.0;all

[nascarxx29]

Look thru my pics and magazine for Daytona details screens etc

[moparstuart]

mine is 8 x 24  inches  and it came mounted in my Superbird nose  , im sure not original , but maybe as a dealer replacement part . My parts came off a car that was parted out circa 1978 and my nose was pretty beat up already and full of thick bondo when i got it.

[nascarxx29]

Also have been seeing chrome grille frames on orig cars

[odcics2]

Here's a close up of a press release photo.

Grille is already caved in and bent up when the cars were NEW.   

[nascarxx29]

Your knee could take out Daytona square mesh.Guess the octagon mesh was more resilant to damage?

[moparstuart]

Here's a close up of a press release photo.

Grille is already caved in and bent up when the cars were NEW.   

they bent just driving it on the highway in hi winds   

[odcics2]

Here's a close up of a press release photo.

Grille is already caved in and bent up when the cars were NEW.   

they bent just driving it on the highway in hi winds   

[odcics2]

Your knee could take out Daytona square mesh.Guess the octagon mesh was more resilant to damage?

Being under the nose helped, but was not the optimum place for the air intake.  Another compromise by styling that increased drag.
Plymouth was too cheap to make a correct rear glass too!  Should have been like a Daytona, leading to a shortened deck lid.   

[moparstuart]

Your knee could take out Daytona square mesh.Guess the octagon mesh was more resilant to damage?

Being under the nose helped, but was not the optimum place for the air intake.  Another compromise by styling that increased drag.
Plymouth was too cheap to make a correct rear glass too!  Should have been like a Daytona, leading to a shortened deck lid.   

well they did have to make alot more cars   

[odcics2]

Your knee could take out Daytona square mesh.Guess the octagon mesh was more resilant to damage?

Being under the nose helped, but was not the optimum place for the air intake.  Another compromise by styling that increased drag.
Plymouth was too cheap to make a correct rear glass too!  Should have been like a Daytona, leading to a shortened deck lid.   

well they did have to make alot more cars   

Plymouth was cheap and didn't want to pay for the optimal package.   

[DAY CLONA]

mine is 8 x 24  inches  and it came mounted in my Superbird nose  , im sure not original , but maybe as a dealer replacement part . My parts came off a car that was parted out circa 1978 and my nose was pretty beat up already and full of thick bondo when i got it.

I've seen the Daytona style rectangular mesh in other Superbirds over the decades, only a small hand-full though, Bob Malcolm has an original untouched survivor Bird with the "Daytona" mesh as well... and I've viewed a few Daytona's over the decades with the Honeycomb mesh as well, both cars have a approx 24" wide opening, with the Daytona requiring a 6"X24" piece of mat'l and the Bird requiring an 8"x24" piece..


My personal opinion on the "mesh swap" is perhaps a multiple vendor supply issue, and the mat'l being supplied in bulk rather than pre-cut, mid to late 69 was the production window for both these cars, and with the very nature of their assy being performed at various sites, I'm sure parts/materials as well as manpower was utilized/shared.. the Malcolm's survivor Bird is interesting as it not only has the Daytona style grille material, but when you look at the hood pin bezels one side is drilled and mounted in the "X" formation with regards to the bezel screws, and the other side is the "+" formation, almost as if two different workers were installing the bezels at the same time, but with one familiar with working on Daytona or Plymouth/Dodge A12 bezel installs (Creative Industries only uniqueness), and one accustomed to the new for 70 "standard" production line bezel install offered on most 70 production line Mopar models....

Mike

[TONY]

mine is 8 x 24  inches  and it came mounted in my Superbird nose  , im sure not original , but maybe as a dealer replacement part . My parts came off a car that was parted out circa 1978 and my nose was pretty beat up already and full of thick bondo when i got it.

I've seen the Daytona style rectangular mesh in other Superbirds over the decades, only a small hand-full though, Bob Malcolm has an original untouched survivor Bird with the "Daytona" mesh as well... and I've viewed a few Daytona's over the decades with the Honeycomb mesh as well, both cars have a approx 24" wide opening, with the Daytona requiring a 6"X24" piece of mat'l and the Bird requiring an 8"x24" piece..


My personal opinion on the "mesh swap" is perhaps a multiple vendor supply issue, and the mat'l being supplied in bulk rather than pre-cut, mid to late 69 was the production window for both these cars, and with the very nature of their assy being performed at various sites, I'm sure parts/materials as well as manpower was utilized/shared.. the Malcolm's survivor Bird is interesting as it not only has the Daytona style grille material, but when you look at the hood pin bezels one side is drilled and mounted in the "X" formation with regards to the bezel screws, and the other side is the "+" formation, almost as if two different workers were installing the bezels at the same time, but with one familiar with working on Daytona or Plymouth/Dodge A12 bezel installs (Creative Industries only uniqueness), and one accustomed to the new for 70 "standard" production line bezel install offered on most 70 production line Mopar models....

Mike

good info there

[odcics2]

I could see a Bird getting a slotted grille with left over Daytona material, but Daytonas were all built and shipped from Creative before Bird work started.    

Chrysler was known for using up old inventory on next years models!