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Hilborn EFI at the Track

Started by cdr, February 09, 2020, 12:05:42 PM

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cdr

People refer to , "Off the trailer pass",, Mine is "OFF the FREEWAY pass", LOL,170 miles round trip due to LOTS of road closures GRRRRR 1st pass was the best.
11.04 @ 123.07 4100lb race weight, Did some tuning & learned what it does NOT like, I forgot to raise the rev limit & still bumped it, even in high gear. I added & pulled timing & fuel, it likes 37 total timing & so far 12.6 AFR, still no 10.99 pass, I am sure with some more tuning it could get there, BUT thinking about my combination here are some points, it is only a 9.7-1 compression, Max Wedge ports,, HEAVY pig with a 28" tall tire & 3.54 gear, I truly believe that my car needs a 4.10 or there about gear, to do much better on the ET, this is a drive it anywhere true street car DA was in the 400ish


https://youtu.be/zBnsqNXDX88

LINK TO MY STORY http://www.onallcylinders.com/2015/11/16/ride-shares-charlie-keel-battles-cancer-ms-to-build-brilliant-1968-dodge-charger/  
                                                                                           
68 Charger 512 cid,9.7to1,Hilborn EFI,Home ported 440 source heads,small hyd roller cam,COLD A/C ,,a518 trans,Dana 60 ,4.10 gear,10.93 et,4100lbs on street tires full exhaust daily driver
Charger55 by Charlie Keel, on Flickr

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XH29N0G

Thanks for the update.  Fun to hear about it.

:2thumbs:
Who in their right mind would say

"The science should not stand in the way of this."? 

Science is just observation and hypothesis.  Policy stands in the way.........

Or maybe it protects us. 

I suppose it depends on the specific case.....

BSB67

Sounds good, looks good. 

Looks like there is no one there?

500" NA, Eddy head, pump gas, exhaust manifold with 2 1/2 exhaust with tailpipes
4150 lbs with driver, 3.23 gear, stock converter
11.68 @ 120.2 mph

cdr

Quote from: BSB67 on February 09, 2020, 04:52:18 PM
Sounds good, looks good. 

Looks like there is no one there?

about 30 cars, it was a Track rental for the day $200.
LINK TO MY STORY http://www.onallcylinders.com/2015/11/16/ride-shares-charlie-keel-battles-cancer-ms-to-build-brilliant-1968-dodge-charger/  
                                                                                           
68 Charger 512 cid,9.7to1,Hilborn EFI,Home ported 440 source heads,small hyd roller cam,COLD A/C ,,a518 trans,Dana 60 ,4.10 gear,10.93 et,4100lbs on street tires full exhaust daily driver
Charger55 by Charlie Keel, on Flickr


BSB67

Quote from: cdr on February 09, 2020, 06:15:32 PM
Quote from: BSB67 on February 09, 2020, 04:52:18 PM
Sounds good, looks good. 

Looks like there is no one there?

about 30 cars, it was a Track rental for the day $200.

I love those.  Last time I did a day of carb and spacer testing.  How many passes did you get?

500" NA, Eddy head, pump gas, exhaust manifold with 2 1/2 exhaust with tailpipes
4150 lbs with driver, 3.23 gear, stock converter
11.68 @ 120.2 mph

cdr

Quote from: BSB67 on February 09, 2020, 09:00:32 PM
Quote from: cdr on February 09, 2020, 06:15:32 PM
Quote from: BSB67 on February 09, 2020, 04:52:18 PM
Sounds good, looks good.  

Looks like there is no one there?

about 30 cars, it was a Track rental for the day $200.

I love those.  Last time I did a day of carb and spacer testing.  How many passes did you get?

I only got 4, I brought some longer runners to try out but I ran out of gas, me ,not the car LOL, but the main thing was I had a great time & learned some things about my car.

It was a nice cool day, great for me :), I dont get out very much because of the heat down here, one of the RARE pictures of me & my Charger.
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68 Charger 512 cid,9.7to1,Hilborn EFI,Home ported 440 source heads,small hyd roller cam,COLD A/C ,,a518 trans,Dana 60 ,4.10 gear,10.93 et,4100lbs on street tires full exhaust daily driver
Charger55 by Charlie Keel, on Flickr

c00nhunterjoe

Time to update your signature et. Congrats. The bump on the rev limiter cost you the 10.99. Any day at the track is a good day.

cdr

Thanks everyone !!!! here is the 2 pass the rummpity rump race car sound is not my car, it is behind me

https://youtu.be/UNwt-gHukHw
LINK TO MY STORY http://www.onallcylinders.com/2015/11/16/ride-shares-charlie-keel-battles-cancer-ms-to-build-brilliant-1968-dodge-charger/  
                                                                                           
68 Charger 512 cid,9.7to1,Hilborn EFI,Home ported 440 source heads,small hyd roller cam,COLD A/C ,,a518 trans,Dana 60 ,4.10 gear,10.93 et,4100lbs on street tires full exhaust daily driver
Charger55 by Charlie Keel, on Flickr

WHITE AND RED 69

Awesome!!! Car keeps getting better and better.  :2thumbs:
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TexasStroker

Awesome...sounds great!  For a split second I thought the DA read out at 4,000 was thinking what is wrong down state?!

Hopefully you can squeeze in on a few more track rentals while it is still cool.  There should be quite a few with TX2k coming up!
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Just 6T9 CHGR

Nice runs!   Car looks great leaving the line!
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Canadian1968

geez how are you pulling 1.5 60ft on street tires!!  :cheers:

c00nhunterjoe

Quote from: Canadian1968 on February 14, 2020, 07:41:28 PM
geez how are you pulling 1.5 60ft on street tires!!  :cheers:

Drag radials, suspension, good driver.

cdr

Quote from: c00nhunterjoe on February 14, 2020, 08:50:12 PM
Quote from: Canadian1968 on February 14, 2020, 07:41:28 PM
geez how are you pulling 1.5 60ft on street tires!!  :cheers:

Drag radials, suspension, good driver.

Thanks Joe, all good valid points, except the good driver part LOL :)
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68 Charger 512 cid,9.7to1,Hilborn EFI,Home ported 440 source heads,small hyd roller cam,COLD A/C ,,a518 trans,Dana 60 ,4.10 gear,10.93 et,4100lbs on street tires full exhaust daily driver
Charger55 by Charlie Keel, on Flickr

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great stuff ! I cranked up the volume to the max on that first video  :yesnod: :2thumbs:
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c00nhunterjoe

Quote from: cdr on February 15, 2020, 12:11:42 PM
Quote from: c00nhunterjoe on February 14, 2020, 08:50:12 PM
Quote from: Canadian1968 on February 14, 2020, 07:41:28 PM
geez how are you pulling 1.5 60ft on street tires!!  :cheers:

Drag radials, suspension, good driver.

Thanks Joe, all good valid points, except the good driver part LOL :)

1.5 60' with no rear shocks at the time of the pass, and a suspension that is good, but moreso setup for daily driving, begs to differ on your assessment of the driver.

cdr

Thank you everyone & also Joe for the encouragement :)
LINK TO MY STORY http://www.onallcylinders.com/2015/11/16/ride-shares-charlie-keel-battles-cancer-ms-to-build-brilliant-1968-dodge-charger/  
                                                                                           
68 Charger 512 cid,9.7to1,Hilborn EFI,Home ported 440 source heads,small hyd roller cam,COLD A/C ,,a518 trans,Dana 60 ,4.10 gear,10.93 et,4100lbs on street tires full exhaust daily driver
Charger55 by Charlie Keel, on Flickr

firefighter3931

Nice runs Charlie. The car hooks like a champ  :boogie:

Hoping you see a 10.9xx slip soon !  :cheers:


Ron
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cdr

Thanks Ron

Made me some 12in ram tubes for my Hilborn EFI, bought some bulk 2 1/2 inch stainless steel thin wall pipe, save myself about 300 bucks, these longer runners should get the car to leave harder & HOPEFULLY get a better 60 foot ,. I even made the bell end, using a bearing press & one of my old drum brake hubs, had the perfect taper to make the bell.
LINK TO MY STORY http://www.onallcylinders.com/2015/11/16/ride-shares-charlie-keel-battles-cancer-ms-to-build-brilliant-1968-dodge-charger/  
                                                                                           
68 Charger 512 cid,9.7to1,Hilborn EFI,Home ported 440 source heads,small hyd roller cam,COLD A/C ,,a518 trans,Dana 60 ,4.10 gear,10.93 et,4100lbs on street tires full exhaust daily driver
Charger55 by Charlie Keel, on Flickr

cdr

LINK TO MY STORY http://www.onallcylinders.com/2015/11/16/ride-shares-charlie-keel-battles-cancer-ms-to-build-brilliant-1968-dodge-charger/  
                                                                                           
68 Charger 512 cid,9.7to1,Hilborn EFI,Home ported 440 source heads,small hyd roller cam,COLD A/C ,,a518 trans,Dana 60 ,4.10 gear,10.93 et,4100lbs on street tires full exhaust daily driver
Charger55 by Charlie Keel, on Flickr

cdr

LINK TO MY STORY http://www.onallcylinders.com/2015/11/16/ride-shares-charlie-keel-battles-cancer-ms-to-build-brilliant-1968-dodge-charger/  
                                                                                           
68 Charger 512 cid,9.7to1,Hilborn EFI,Home ported 440 source heads,small hyd roller cam,COLD A/C ,,a518 trans,Dana 60 ,4.10 gear,10.93 et,4100lbs on street tires full exhaust daily driver
Charger55 by Charlie Keel, on Flickr

cdr

LINK TO MY STORY http://www.onallcylinders.com/2015/11/16/ride-shares-charlie-keel-battles-cancer-ms-to-build-brilliant-1968-dodge-charger/  
                                                                                           
68 Charger 512 cid,9.7to1,Hilborn EFI,Home ported 440 source heads,small hyd roller cam,COLD A/C ,,a518 trans,Dana 60 ,4.10 gear,10.93 et,4100lbs on street tires full exhaust daily driver
Charger55 by Charlie Keel, on Flickr

cdr

LINK TO MY STORY http://www.onallcylinders.com/2015/11/16/ride-shares-charlie-keel-battles-cancer-ms-to-build-brilliant-1968-dodge-charger/  
                                                                                           
68 Charger 512 cid,9.7to1,Hilborn EFI,Home ported 440 source heads,small hyd roller cam,COLD A/C ,,a518 trans,Dana 60 ,4.10 gear,10.93 et,4100lbs on street tires full exhaust daily driver
Charger55 by Charlie Keel, on Flickr

cdr

Got the air cleaners on they slip down about halfway to where the runner goes about halfway through the air filter, it'll work great for the street, when I do go back to the dragstrip, all I have to do is just take off the little aluminum top off of each filter and will be wide open
LINK TO MY STORY http://www.onallcylinders.com/2015/11/16/ride-shares-charlie-keel-battles-cancer-ms-to-build-brilliant-1968-dodge-charger/  
                                                                                           
68 Charger 512 cid,9.7to1,Hilborn EFI,Home ported 440 source heads,small hyd roller cam,COLD A/C ,,a518 trans,Dana 60 ,4.10 gear,10.93 et,4100lbs on street tires full exhaust daily driver
Charger55 by Charlie Keel, on Flickr

cdr

LINK TO MY STORY http://www.onallcylinders.com/2015/11/16/ride-shares-charlie-keel-battles-cancer-ms-to-build-brilliant-1968-dodge-charger/  
                                                                                           
68 Charger 512 cid,9.7to1,Hilborn EFI,Home ported 440 source heads,small hyd roller cam,COLD A/C ,,a518 trans,Dana 60 ,4.10 gear,10.93 et,4100lbs on street tires full exhaust daily driver
Charger55 by Charlie Keel, on Flickr

70 sublime

Is all that sticking up blocking very much of your view from driver seat ?
next project 70 Charger FJ5 green

cdr

Quote from: 70 sublime on February 24, 2020, 06:30:47 PM
Is all that sticking up blocking very much of your view from driver seat ?

Yes it is a challenge to drive. if it bothers me to much I will just put the shorter stacks for street use.
my next big project is to get a Daytona wing, already have the wing braces.
LINK TO MY STORY http://www.onallcylinders.com/2015/11/16/ride-shares-charlie-keel-battles-cancer-ms-to-build-brilliant-1968-dodge-charger/  
                                                                                           
68 Charger 512 cid,9.7to1,Hilborn EFI,Home ported 440 source heads,small hyd roller cam,COLD A/C ,,a518 trans,Dana 60 ,4.10 gear,10.93 et,4100lbs on street tires full exhaust daily driver
Charger55 by Charlie Keel, on Flickr

green69rt

You just can't leave well-enough alone, can you. :lol: :2thumbs:

cdr

LINK TO MY STORY http://www.onallcylinders.com/2015/11/16/ride-shares-charlie-keel-battles-cancer-ms-to-build-brilliant-1968-dodge-charger/  
                                                                                           
68 Charger 512 cid,9.7to1,Hilborn EFI,Home ported 440 source heads,small hyd roller cam,COLD A/C ,,a518 trans,Dana 60 ,4.10 gear,10.93 et,4100lbs on street tires full exhaust daily driver
Charger55 by Charlie Keel, on Flickr

cdr

Went out for a short drive, had to wait for the cop to turn left & I went to the right on the highway 529, nailed it in 2nd gear up to 6100rpm seems to pull about the same, track time will be the tell, drivabilty is much better with the longer runner, the ECU did add about 11% more fuel in the WOT fuel cells 5000 rpm to 6100 rpm
The length of the intake runner was 17" went to 24" to help lower RPM for a better 60' time at the track
LINK TO TEST DRIVE
https://youtu.be/N0kURau78qM
LINK TO MY STORY http://www.onallcylinders.com/2015/11/16/ride-shares-charlie-keel-battles-cancer-ms-to-build-brilliant-1968-dodge-charger/  
                                                                                           
68 Charger 512 cid,9.7to1,Hilborn EFI,Home ported 440 source heads,small hyd roller cam,COLD A/C ,,a518 trans,Dana 60 ,4.10 gear,10.93 et,4100lbs on street tires full exhaust daily driver
Charger55 by Charlie Keel, on Flickr

c00nhunterjoe

Have you experimented with converter lockup at the track? Do you even race with the lockup? Would be worth trying with a lockup in 2nd and 3rd gear if you are running on the converter. If nothing else, might pick up mph. You do have a really good converter already so it may not make much difference.

cdr

Quote from: c00nhunterjoe on February 25, 2020, 05:00:58 PM
Have you experimented with converter lockup at the track? Do you even race with the lockup? Would be worth trying with a lockup in 2nd and 3rd gear if you are running on the converter. If nothing else, might pick up mph. You do have a really good converter already so it may not make much difference.

The converter is a very good one, the lock up is for light throttle cruising, it might hold but I don't want to find out, LOL :)
LINK TO MY STORY http://www.onallcylinders.com/2015/11/16/ride-shares-charlie-keel-battles-cancer-ms-to-build-brilliant-1968-dodge-charger/  
                                                                                           
68 Charger 512 cid,9.7to1,Hilborn EFI,Home ported 440 source heads,small hyd roller cam,COLD A/C ,,a518 trans,Dana 60 ,4.10 gear,10.93 et,4100lbs on street tires full exhaust daily driver
Charger55 by Charlie Keel, on Flickr

DanielRobert

I like the idea of a steeper gear......will easily get you where you want.
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c00nhunterjoe

Quote from: cdr on February 25, 2020, 05:21:45 PM
Quote from: c00nhunterjoe on February 25, 2020, 05:00:58 PM
Have you experimented with converter lockup at the track? Do you even race with the lockup? Would be worth trying with a lockup in 2nd and 3rd gear if you are running on the converter. If nothing else, might pick up mph. You do have a really good converter already so it may not make much difference.

The converter is a very good one, the lock up is for light throttle cruising, it might hold but I don't want to find out, LOL :)

Ah, in some 4r100 ford builds, we would have it lock up in 2nd and througbout the rest of the pass. Made a big difference on a loose converter.

TexasStroker

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