Here we go again, alcohol/bleach hording.

[b5blue]

  4 stops yesterday and 3 calls today, you may have not noticed but isopropyl alcohol is wiped out, even at distribution points. (I use it in spray bottles for killing mosquitoes and light cleaning.) 15.00 a bottle on Amazon and eBay now as deals like 2 32Oz. bottles for 20.00 shipped dry up. Soon "bottled in bond" Evan Williams will be cheaper. Bleach is running out also with the buy more than you need now scared mentality. I'm use to seeing this kinda thing around hurricane season around here with so many high density retirement complexes around. (They tend to over react en mass.) So now that darn ethanol in our gas will run the price per gallon up! I'm still figuring how a virus in China got a Mexican beer's name?   "I've seen the enemy and they are us." 

[timmycharger]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QfznPscaiDQ

pretty much sums it up

[b5blue]

LOL YUP!

[Mytur Binsdirti]

 

[stripedelete]

Pretty sure vodka would make a good substitute.

Don't eat at PF Changs and you will be fine.

[Mytur Binsdirti]

Ooh, my little pretty one, my pretty one
When you gonna give me some time, Corona
Ooh, you make my motor run, my motor run
Got it coming off o' the line, Corona!

M-m-m-my Corona

[Mytur Binsdirti]

The virus has been spread through money. If you have money at home put on some gloves and place it in a plastic bag outside your front door. I'm going to be collecting all of the plastic bags tonight for safety. Think of your health, I just want you to be safe.

The virus can not, I repeat, can not be spread through coins so you can hang on to those.

[green69rt]

 

[Mike DC]

[odcics2]

 

[Ponch ®]

Not worried, we got a lot of elements of the medical.

Or something.

[b5blue]

All types/brands of bleach, alcohol and spray disinfectants gone from shelf and stores starting to limit quantity when they do have.  Greedy hordie hoarders gotta get get get! Now they say Trumpy may have been exposed to.       

[Mytur Binsdirti]

[Mytur Binsdirti]

[b5blue]

 

[odcics2]

New Rochelle, NY "containment area " being enforced by the
National Guard.

[Ponch ®]

Whole lot of travel bans and stock market crashes for an overblown "hoax".

[Challenger340]

Whole lot of travel bans and stock market crashes for an overblown "hoax".

Yep !
Whoopsie daisies... there goes everybody's life savings/401K's.... "poof"....GONE !
and for what ?
basically a bad case of the Flu that of you are somewhat healthy you should be fine ?

A Saudi/Russian Oil Price war all by itself was bad enough for the economy ?
But,
throw in a bunch of nit-witted no brained morons freaking out hoarding bum-wad and runn'in around like village idge-yots pretending it's the zombie apocalypse because of a FLU BUG ain't exactly helping ?

I'm out.... sry for the rant

[birdsandbees]

So Monday buy a bunch of stock and make some coin like the day traders are! 

[b5blue]

No rant, the market is now exactly where it started in 2017 so again stock brokers are making money market up or down!    

[Ponch ®]

Whole lot of travel bans and stock market crashes for an overblown "hoax".

Yep !
Whoopsie daisies... there goes everybody's life savings/401K's.... "poof"....GONE !
and for what ?
basically a bad case of the Flu that of you are somewhat healthy you should be fine ?

A Saudi/Russian Oil Price war all by itself was bad enough for the economy ?
But,
throw in a bunch of nit-witted no brained morons freaking out hoarding bum-wad and runn'in around like village idge-yots pretending it's the zombie apocalypse because of a FLU BUG ain't exactly helping ?

I'm out.... sry for the rant

Two days ago some dude says "nothing to worry about, it'll go away"

Last night same guy "this is a horrible infection and we need to close down the country"

Somebody is full of shit.

[70 sublime]

Two days ago some dude says "nothing to worry about, it'll go away"

Last night same guy "this is a horrible infection and we need to close down the country"

Somebody is full of shit.
[/quote]

Yes because he can not find any toilet paper anywhere 

[b5blue]

New Rochelle, NY "containment area " being enforced by the
National Guard.

I saw tonight they are supplying labor to distribute food packages and meals. 

[Mike DC]

wo days ago some dude says "nothing to worry about, it'll go away"

Last night same guy "this is a horrible infection and we need to close down the country"

Somebody is full of shit.

Sometime in the next few weeks that clown will be on TV pleading ignorance:  "Nobody knew this outbreak would spread so fast!"  As if we weren't warned it was coming and there was nothing else that could have been done.  

This is a real mess.  Our leaders basically ignored this until it started hurting private industry/stock market.  (Hey, everybody has their priorities.)  

We should be testing our whole population for the virus as we speak.  On Tuesday the USA tested 8 people.  South Korea is doing 19,000 tests per day.

[Ponch ®]

wo days ago some dude says "nothing to worry about, it'll go away"

Last night same guy "this is a horrible infection and we need to close down the country"

Somebody is full of shit.

Sometime in the next few weeks that clown will be on TV pleading ignorance:  "Nobody knew this outbreak would spread so fast!"  As if we weren't warned it was coming and there was nothing else that could have been done.  

This is a real mess.  Our leaders basically ignored this until it started hurting private industry/stock market.  (Hey, everybody has their priorities.)  

We should be testing our whole population for the virus as we speak.  On Tuesday the USA tested 8 people.  South Korea is doing 19,000 tests per day.

But its moar importantur to pwn the libz  

the guy Rogan had on his podcast the other day: "we basically waited until the house was on fire to consider building a fire truck"

[Mike DC]

          

the guy Rogan had on his podcast the other day: "we basically waited until the house was on fire to consider building a fire truck"

Pretty much.  

Adjusting for population size, South Korea's 19,000 tests per day would scale up to about 125,000 per day in America.  

Imagine going back to 3-4 weeks ago and trying to raise the alarm on that.  Imagine trying to convince U.S. politicians to start working on that program immediately (which includes paying for the whole thing).  They would have laughed at you.  Those people don't believe in inconvenient facts.  They act like managing the country & dealing with a crisis is somebody else's problem.  

[myk]

It is someone else's problem, because when the SHTF theyll be taken care of, we the common peasants will have to fend for ourselves.

As for this pandemic being a hoax, I completely agree.  What isnt a hoax is the impact this is having on the economy and people like myself who face being laid off because we as a people would rather give in to hysteria than foster common sense...

[Kern Dog]

Thank you, Myk.
I call bullshit on this. Someone with a LOT of influence lit this fire for their own gain. The whole shitshow is nothing compared to the results of the P A N I C surrounding it.

[Mytur Binsdirti]

[Ponch ®]

 

January 22: "We have it totally under control. It's one person coming in from China. It's going to be just fine."
February 2: "We pretty much shut it down coming in from China."
February 24: "The Coronavirus is very much under control in the USA... Stock Market starting to look very good to me!"
February 25: "CDC and my Administration are doing a GREAT job of handling Coronavirus."
February 25: "I think that's a problem that's going to go away... They have studied it. They know very much. In fact, we're very close to a vaccine."
February 26: "The 15 (cases in the US) within a couple of days is going to be down to close to zero."
February 26: "We're going very substantially down, not up."
February 27: "One day it's like a miracle, it will disappear."
February 28: "We're ordering a lot of supplies. We're ordering a lot of, uh, elements that frankly we wouldn't be ordering unless it was something like this. But we're ordering a lot of different elements of medical."
March 2: "You take a solid flu vaccine, you don't think that could have an impact, or much of an impact, on corona?"
March 2: "A lot of things are happening, a lot of very exciting things are happening and they're happening very rapidly."
March 4: "If we have thousands or hundreds of thousands of people that get better just by, you know, sitting around and even going to work — some of them go to work, but they get better."
March 5: "I NEVER said people that are feeling sick should go to work."
March 5: "The United States... has, as of now, only 129 cases... and 11 deaths. We are working very hard to keep these numbers as low as possible!"
March 6: "I think we're doing a really good job in this country at keeping it down... a tremendous job at keeping it down."
March 6: "Anybody right now, and yesterday, anybody that needs a test gets a test. They're there. And the tests are beautiful.... the tests are all perfect like the letter was perfect. The transcription was perfect. Right? This was not as perfect as that but pretty good."
March 6: "I like this stuff. I really get it. People are surprised that I understand it... Every one of these doctors said, 'How do you know so much about this?' Maybe I have a natural ability. Maybe I should have done that instead of running for president."
March 6: "I don't need to have the numbers double because of one ship that wasn't our fault."
March 8: "We have a perfectly coordinated and fine tuned plan at the White House for our attack on CoronaVirus."
March 9: "This blindsided the world."
March 9: "The Fake News Media and their partner, the Democrat Party, is doing everything within its semi-considerable power (it used to be greater!) to inflame the CoronaVirus situation, far beyond what the facts would warrant."
March 10: "It will go away. Just stay calm. It will go away."
March 13: "I'm declaring a National Emergency"

[timmycharger]

January 22: "We have it totally under control. It's one person coming in from China. It's going to be just fine."
February 2: "We pretty much shut it down coming in from China."
February 24: "The Coronavirus is very much under control in the USA... Stock Market starting to look very good to me!"
February 25: "CDC and my Administration are doing a GREAT job of handling Coronavirus."
February 25: "I think that's a problem that's going to go away... They have studied it. They know very much. In fact, we're very close to a vaccine."
February 26: "The 15 (cases in the US) within a couple of days is going to be down to close to zero."
February 26: "We're going very substantially down, not up."
February 27: "One day it's like a miracle, it will disappear."
February 28: "We're ordering a lot of supplies. We're ordering a lot of, uh, elements that frankly we wouldn't be ordering unless it was something like this. But we're ordering a lot of different elements of medical."
March 2: "You take a solid flu vaccine, you don't think that could have an impact, or much of an impact, on corona?"
March 2: "A lot of things are happening, a lot of very exciting things are happening and they're happening very rapidly."
March 4: "If we have thousands or hundreds of thousands of people that get better just by, you know, sitting around and even going to work — some of them go to work, but they get better."
March 5: "I NEVER said people that are feeling sick should go to work."
March 5: "The United States... has, as of now, only 129 cases... and 11 deaths. We are working very hard to keep these numbers as low as possible!"
March 6: "I think we're doing a really good job in this country at keeping it down... a tremendous job at keeping it down."
March 6: "Anybody right now, and yesterday, anybody that needs a test gets a test. They're there. And the tests are beautiful.... the tests are all perfect like the letter was perfect. The transcription was perfect. Right? This was not as perfect as that but pretty good."
March 6: "I like this stuff. I really get it. People are surprised that I understand it... Every one of these doctors said, 'How do you know so much about this?' Maybe I have a natural ability. Maybe I should have done that instead of running for president."
March 6: "I don't need to have the numbers double because of one ship that wasn't our fault."
March 8: "We have a perfectly coordinated and fine tuned plan at the White House for our attack on CoronaVirus."
March 9: "This blindsided the world."
March 9: "The Fake News Media and their partner, the Democrat Party, is doing everything within its semi-considerable power (it used to be greater!) to inflame the CoronaVirus situation, far beyond what the facts would warrant."
March 10: "It will go away. Just stay calm. It will go away."
March 13: "I'm declaring a National Emergency"

  we get it dude.. Orange man = bad....   what else you got?

[Ponch ®]

January 22: "We have it totally under control. It's one person coming in from China. It's going to be just fine."
February 2: "We pretty much shut it down coming in from China."
February 24: "The Coronavirus is very much under control in the USA... Stock Market starting to look very good to me!"
February 25: "CDC and my Administration are doing a GREAT job of handling Coronavirus."
February 25: "I think that's a problem that's going to go away... They have studied it. They know very much. In fact, we're very close to a vaccine."
February 26: "The 15 (cases in the US) within a couple of days is going to be down to close to zero."
February 26: "We're going very substantially down, not up."
February 27: "One day it's like a miracle, it will disappear."
February 28: "We're ordering a lot of supplies. We're ordering a lot of, uh, elements that frankly we wouldn't be ordering unless it was something like this. But we're ordering a lot of different elements of medical."
March 2: "You take a solid flu vaccine, you don't think that could have an impact, or much of an impact, on corona?"
March 2: "A lot of things are happening, a lot of very exciting things are happening and they're happening very rapidly."
March 4: "If we have thousands or hundreds of thousands of people that get better just by, you know, sitting around and even going to work — some of them go to work, but they get better."
March 5: "I NEVER said people that are feeling sick should go to work."
March 5: "The United States... has, as of now, only 129 cases... and 11 deaths. We are working very hard to keep these numbers as low as possible!"
March 6: "I think we're doing a really good job in this country at keeping it down... a tremendous job at keeping it down."
March 6: "Anybody right now, and yesterday, anybody that needs a test gets a test. They're there. And the tests are beautiful.... the tests are all perfect like the letter was perfect. The transcription was perfect. Right? This was not as perfect as that but pretty good."
March 6: "I like this stuff. I really get it. People are surprised that I understand it... Every one of these doctors said, 'How do you know so much about this?' Maybe I have a natural ability. Maybe I should have done that instead of running for president."
March 6: "I don't need to have the numbers double because of one ship that wasn't our fault."
March 8: "We have a perfectly coordinated and fine tuned plan at the White House for our attack on CoronaVirus."
March 9: "This blindsided the world."
March 9: "The Fake News Media and their partner, the Democrat Party, is doing everything within its semi-considerable power (it used to be greater!) to inflame the CoronaVirus situation, far beyond what the facts would warrant."
March 10: "It will go away. Just stay calm. It will go away."
March 13: "I'm declaring a National Emergency"

  we get it dude.. Orange man = bad....   what else you got?

Common sense and the capacity for rational thought.

[timmycharger]

[/quote]

Common sense and the capacity for rational thought.
[/quote]


you seem a bit obsessed in my book. How long did it take you to put that list together? This is rational behavior?  Probably just a cut and paste from someone else with TDS.. Good luck, wash your hands

[Ponch ®]

you seem a bit obsessed in my book. How long did it take you to put that list together? This is rational behavior?  Probably just a cut and paste from someone else with TDS.. Good luck, wash your hands

Nice red herring. You're so easily triggered.

[Mike DC]

      
The govt's incompetent response to the situation is not funny.   Americans will probably die because of it.  It hasn't happened yet but the virus has not really hit America yet.    


Look at the situation in Italy right now.  They are choosing which patients to treat (try to keep alive).  The disease hit the place too fast (not enough testing & quarantining) and they didn't have enough medical people & resources ready to handle it.  This kind of thing CAN and WILL happen in America if we're not careful.  

Testing 8 people per day in a country of 340 million - this is not being careful.  
Calling it a hoax - this is not stepping up to the plate and managing a problem.  
FFS, we already have outbreaks in multiple states.    



It's all a joke until your loved one is dying from it.  

[Challenger340]

Common sense and the capacity for rational thought.
[/quote]


you seem a bit obsessed in my book. How long did it take you to put that list together? This is rational behavior?  Probably just a cut and paste from someone else with TDS.. Good luck, wash your hands
[/quote]

January 22: "We have it totally under control. It's one person coming in from China. It's going to be just fine."
February 2: "We pretty much shut it down coming in from China."
February 24: "The Coronavirus is very much under control in the USA... Stock Market starting to look very good to me!"
February 25: "CDC and my Administration are doing a GREAT job of handling Coronavirus."
February 25: "I think that's a problem that's going to go away... They have studied it. They know very much. In fact, we're very close to a vaccine."
February 26: "The 15 (cases in the US) within a couple of days is going to be down to close to zero."
February 26: "We're going very substantially down, not up."
February 27: "One day it's like a miracle, it will disappear."
February 28: "We're ordering a lot of supplies. We're ordering a lot of, uh, elements that frankly we wouldn't be ordering unless it was something like this. But we're ordering a lot of different elements of medical."
March 2: "You take a solid flu vaccine, you don't think that could have an impact, or much of an impact, on corona?"
March 2: "A lot of things are happening, a lot of very exciting things are happening and they're happening very rapidly."
March 4: "If we have thousands or hundreds of thousands of people that get better just by, you know, sitting around and even going to work — some of them go to work, but they get better."
March 5: "I NEVER said people that are feeling sick should go to work."
March 5: "The United States... has, as of now, only 129 cases... and 11 deaths. We are working very hard to keep these numbers as low as possible!"
March 6: "I think we're doing a really good job in this country at keeping it down... a tremendous job at keeping it down."
March 6: "Anybody right now, and yesterday, anybody that needs a test gets a test. They're there. And the tests are beautiful.... the tests are all perfect like the letter was perfect. The transcription was perfect. Right? This was not as perfect as that but pretty good."
March 6: "I like this stuff. I really get it. People are surprised that I understand it... Every one of these doctors said, 'How do you know so much about this?' Maybe I have a natural ability. Maybe I should have done that instead of running for president."
March 6: "I don't need to have the numbers double because of one ship that wasn't our fault."
March 8: "We have a perfectly coordinated and fine tuned plan at the White House for our attack on CoronaVirus."
March 9: "This blindsided the world."
March 9: "The Fake News Media and their partner, the Democrat Party, is doing everything within its semi-considerable power (it used to be greater!) to inflame the CoronaVirus situation, far beyond what the facts would warrant."
March 10: "It will go away. Just stay calm. It will go away."
March 13: "I'm declaring a National Emergency"




I'm not obsessed.... I live in Canada for crissakes....couldn't care any less, but I thought it was pretty humorous so I researched just for fun to "fact check" a few of the above quotes ?
and guess what ?
Trump said every single one of them ver batim.... and on the same dates quoted no less !

And here I thought us Canadian's had a complete lock on having the biggest nit-wit running our Country ?
Apparently we're #2 to you guys ?

[Kern Dog]

Ignorant fucks seem to take everything out of context.
Jumping to panic mode is far worse.

[Kern Dog]

nny

[Kern Dog]

jk

[Kern Dog]

n

[Kern Dog]

hblb

[Mytur Binsdirti]

[Mytur Binsdirti]

CNN has lost 96% of their audience.

[70sixpkrt]

.

[Mytur Binsdirti]

Ignorant fucks seem to take everything out of context.
Jumping to panic mode is far worse.

[green69rt]

Ignorant fucks seem to take everything out of context.
Jumping to panic mode is far worse.

Where did those numbers come from?    I can't find any articles that give any numbers.
Edit, now found some data.  Actually, a lot of the same things happened.

[Mike DC]

    

The entire world has not spent 2 months all worked up about this virus just to spite Donald Trump.  


This is an actual problem.  They do happen sometimes.  

[b5blue]

"H1N1" 1918 Influenza was the first true pandemic, back then if you caught it you were dead in 48 hours if your body couldn't defend.

[stripedelete]

Not sure "pandemic" has anything to do with deaths.

[stripedelete]

They announced  the first case in our county around 1pm today.   

The local bar was full at 4pm. 

[70 sublime]

We went to the movie theater tonight ( Saturday)
Had a private showing for a 9:40 movie start  as we were the only ones there

Works for me and the wife
No one sits in front of her and we can not catch any germs if no one else shows up 

[Mike DC]

          

"H1N1" 1918 Influenza was the first true pandemic, back then if you caught it you were dead in 48 hours if your body couldn't defend.

1918 was bad, but it didn't have anything on the 1340s Bubonic plague.  We still don't really understand that one.  It seemed to have super powers like no other infectious disease ever has.           

[Mytur Binsdirti]

   

The entire world has not spent 2 months all worked up about this virus just to spite Donald Trump.  


This is an actual problem.  They do happen sometimes.  

No argument that this stuff happens every once in a while. The swine flu 11 years ago was an actual problem but the was no panic or shutting down of this country back then.

Why is that & what was different in 2009 versus 2020?


https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2009_flu_pandemic_in_the_United_States

[Mike DC]

               
Okay, I consulted Mr. Google for a few minutes and did some calculating:

---------------------------

The Swine flu had a fatality rate of 0.02%.  
It infected 59 million Americans (19% of the country in 2009) and 12,000 died.  

South Korea took this Coronavirus threat seriously 2 months ago.  They've tested 250,000 people and found 8100 cases  <--- this means their data about the virus's death rate might actually be somewhere near the truth.   They've seen a death rate of 0.84% so far.


19% of the current US population = 63 million people.  
63 million x 0.84% death rate  = 529,000 people dead this time.  

To put that in perspective, the total Americans killed in WW2 (Europe and Pacific) + Korea + Vietnam + Iraq + Afghanistan = about 520,000.

---------------------------


And the 19% infection rate could be low for this new virus.  Too early to tell.  

The 1957 flu rate was estimated at 25% (in the USA).  That works out to 696,000 deaths this time.  

The experts (not Democrats and CNN anchors) are talking about a worst-case scenario of 50% infection rate.  IMO that is pretty unlikely but it's not off the table.  And it certainly couldn't have been ruled out yet 2-3 months ago, when our leaders should have been starting to act.  A 50% infection rate x 0.84% death rate = 1.4 million Americans dead.  (Perspective: there were 1.4 million Americans working at Walmart in 2013.)

---------------------------        
       

What will the real death rate be?  I don't know.  Maybe way less than any of these numbers.  

But still.  Known data + common sense + simple calculations = fucking terrifying estimates.

[odcics2]

          

"H1N1" 1918 Influenza was the first true pandemic, back then if you caught it you were dead in 48 hours if your body couldn't defend.

1918 was bad, but it didn't have anything on the 1340s Bubonic plague.  We still don't really understand that one.  It seemed to have super powers like no other infectious disease ever has.           

There are death pits in England where that virus is STILL ACTIVE.     

[BLK 68 R/T]

The bubonic plague was not a viral infection, it is a bacterial one. Still around today, and treatable with antibiotics.

[Mytur Binsdirti]

               
Okay, I consulted Mr. Google for a few minutes and did some calculating:

---------------------------

The Swine flu had a fatality rate of 0.02%.  
It infected 59 million Americans (19% of the country in 2009) and 12,000 died.  

South Korea took this Coronavirus threat seriously 2 months ago.  They've tested 250,000 people and found 8100 cases  <--- this means their data about the virus's death rate might actually be somewhere near the truth.   They've seen a death rate of 0.84% so far.


19% of the current US population = 63 million people.  
63 million x 0.84% death rate  = 529,000 people dead this time.  

To put that in perspective, the total Americans killed in WW2 (Europe and Pacific) + Korea + Vietnam + Iraq + Afghanistan = about 520,000.

---------------------------


And the 19% infection rate could be low for this new virus.  Too early to tell.  

The 1957 flu rate was estimated at 25% (in the USA).  That works out to 696,000 deaths this time.  

The experts (not Democrats and CNN anchors) are talking about a worst-case scenario of 50% infection rate.  IMO that is pretty unlikely but it's not off the table.  And it certainly couldn't have been ruled out yet 2-3 months ago, when our leaders should have been starting to act.  A 50% infection rate x 0.84% death rate = 1.4 million Americans dead.  (Perspective: there were 1.4 million Americans working at Walmart in 2013.)

---------------------------        
       

What will the real death rate be?  I don't know.  Maybe way less than any of these numbers.  

But still.  Known data + common sense + simple calculations = fucking terrifying estimates.

What we are dealing with is a strain of the flu, not the Andromeda Strain. Sadly, some people will die from this just as they do the flu, but some may just have a runny nose and sore throat, although the experts do say that thisappears to be more easily transmittable. . I heard one of the Presidential candidates this week saying that there could be the same casualty rates here as the US lost in WWII, which to me is VERY irresponsible.

We can all point fingers as to who to blame, but we are at where we are at now & have to deal with it. The next 2-4 weeks will be the proof of whether this is serious or all hype.

My oldest son is getting married in 3 weeks & my wife & I are scheduled for a Hawaiian cruise in June. Hopefully neither will get cancelled, but if they do, they do. At this point, we are being cautious, but we are not panicking.....unlike my sister who is nearly hysterical.

[b5blue]

  Right we are all gonna get it sooner or later. Just got back from the store, they had boxes of Kleenex 4 for 5.00 so I put 4 in the cart. At checkout the lady tells me I can only buy 2 so I suggest they put a note with the sale sign. I was rebuked and told that can't be done. Employees are stressing out from all the panic buying, shoppers are getting that "hurricane is coming" look in their eyes. The toilet paper thing has gotten me, do you hug rolls to calm yourself down? 
  I installed a Bidet on each toilet end of last year and they work quite well. My T.P. use has reduced 98% and am fresh as a daisy.   
   

[Kern Dog]

   My T.P. use has reduced 98% and am fresh as a daisy.   
   

Please, NO pictures....

[Mike DC]

I heard one of the Presidential candidates this week saying that there could be the same casualty rates here as the US lost in WWII, which to me is VERY irresponsible.

Do you think this virus could possibly kill 0.29% of America?  Three tenths of one percent of us?  One in every 335 people?  

That's all it would take to equal the WW2 death rate.   WW2 killed 418,000 out of 140 million Americans at the time.  

We can all point fingers as to who to blame, but we are at where we are at now & have to deal with it. The next 2-4 weeks will be the proof of whether this is serious or all hype.

My oldest son is getting married in 3 weeks & my wife & I are scheduled for a Hawaiian cruise in June. Hopefully neither will get cancelled, but if they do, they do. At this point, we are being cautious, but we are not panicking.....unlike my sister who is nearly hysterical.

I agree that it may be overhyped and it may not be as dangerous as we're hearing.  These diseases usually turn out to be milder than the initial reports.  

But this C19 virus is definitely worse than usual and we don't know enough yet.  "Milder than the initial reports" isn't much consolation when the initial reports are so scary.  

Wanna talk about fear-mongering?  If you take the worse reported fatality rate of 3.4%, multiplied by the worst-case scenario infection rate of 50% . . . you get 5.6 million US deaths.  (No, I don't think that will happen, either.  But my point is that the estimates in the 500k range are not the wild high guesses, they are the serious ones.)  


IMO we will know more in 2 weeks but we still won't know a lot yet.  This thing plays out over a span of months.  And so far our only tool against it is to delay the outbreak's growth.  Until we get a vaccine, all these testing & quarantine efforts are mainly buying time.      

[Kern Dog]

I got a work text this morning. No work today because of R A I N. Wooooo!
If hospitals are turning away NON Covid cases, it makes a man wonder how many other risks we might wish to avoid taking. Imagine any activity that might result in an injury that NOW you might not be able to get medical care. What if you fall off of a bike and break an arm? How about sex with a stranger that could result in "the drip" ? Fist fights, working up on a ladder, operating power tools, etc.
This shit can make a worrier out of a normally secure person.
What about looking to other sources for medical care for emergency type injuries? Dentists, Veterinarians, Ambulance operators, Chiropractors, etc ?

[Mike DC]

              
There's a disease expert who did a TEDx talk about the Coronavirus a few days ago.  

She said it's too early to discuss the death rate.  But it's pretty clear that about 20% of the infected people will need hospital care.  America is just barely capable of handling that.

Her advice was basically "Don't bother wearing a mask.  But do wash your hands a lot.  Mainly during & after you go out in public."  

[Mytur Binsdirti]

For the doom and gloomers here...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Jdf5EXo6I68

[alfaitalia]

Its pretty bad here....town/city centres empty. Hospitals only just coping NOW and we are probably 3 to 4 weeks away from peak infection rate. 55 plus dead....soon to skyrocket. Many businesses closed....some may never reopen Ive had to send home two staff today...one lives with a suspected virus victim...the other has another illness and takes drugs that affect her immune system...her Dr phoned her here as work and said she was to go home and self isolate for 12 WEEKS!!!! I cant think that we will be allowed to stay open much longer.....and we sure cant afford to stay closed. Pretty bad really....much worse and more worrying than I expected. You are where we were a few week back....so it will get worse.....no matter how much you think/hope it wont...I was that person.
Im not worried about getting it....Im 53, fit and heathy ...so should be fine....but I would feel guilty if I pass it to my elderly parents and one of them died....Ok they might not get it from me....but I would never know....phone calls only from now on.

[John_Kunkel]

This shit can make a worrier out of a normally secure person.

[Mytur Binsdirti]

[b5blue]

I've had to improvise antiseptic cleaners that are less costly than rubbing alcohol...

[myk]

[alfaitalia]

I've had to improvise antiseptic cleaners that are less costly than rubbing alcohol...

I love JD...my favourite spirit...not many Brits will say that....and no Scots!!. But it has to be the proper stuff....as for that Fire stuff and that other version with honey in it!!!....WTF.... using it as antibacterial wipe is about all I would use it for. I almost stopped drinking JD when they started making all that "trendy"  flavoured versions!!!....but it would not have been for long!!!

[odcics2]

Interesting way to keep things going.

https://www.freep.com/story/money/cars/2020/03/20/uaw-detroit-automakers-parts-depot-gm-fca-ford/2883012001/

[b5blue]

I called ahead and had Publix save me a roasted chicken for dinner and lo and behold they had toilet paper!     I'm now the proud owner of 12 rolls.   

[John_Kunkel]

b5blues's pic reminded me that a while back I was in a surplus store and saw some small spray bottles. Bought a few because they were real cheap but never used them.

Now I filled them with isopropyl alcohol (used for cleaning brake parts) and have them strategically placed in home and car.

[alfaitalia]

In neat form?...that must sting the hands a bit...

[Mytur Binsdirti]

I heard one of the Presidential candidates this week saying that there could be the same casualty rates here as the US lost in WWII, which to me is VERY irresponsible.

Do you think this virus could possibly kill 0.29% of America?  Three tenths of one percent of us?  One in every 335 people?  

That's all it would take to equal the WW2 death rate.   WW2 killed 418,000 out of 140 million Americans at the time.  

We can all point fingers as to who to blame, but we are at where we are at now & have to deal with it. The next 2-4 weeks will be the proof of whether this is serious or all hype.

My oldest son is getting married in 3 weeks & my wife & I are scheduled for a Hawaiian cruise in June. Hopefully neither will get cancelled, but if they do, they do. At this point, we are being cautious, but we are not panicking.....unlike my sister who is nearly hysterical.

I agree that it may be overhyped and it may not be as dangerous as we're hearing.  These diseases usually turn out to be milder than the initial reports.  

But this C19 virus is definitely worse than usual and we don't know enough yet.  "Milder than the initial reports" isn't much consolation when the initial reports are so scary.  

Wanna talk about fear-mongering?  If you take the worse reported fatality rate of 3.4%, multiplied by the worst-case scenario infection rate of 50% . . . you get 5.6 million US deaths.  (No, I don't think that will happen, either.  But my point is that the estimates in the 500k range are not the wild high guesses, they are the serious ones.)  


IMO we will know more in 2 weeks but we still won't know a lot yet.  This thing plays out over a span of months.  And so far our only tool against it is to delay the outbreak's growth.  Until we get a vaccine, all these testing & quarantine efforts are mainly buying time.      

Here's a couple of interesting articles that the major news networks don't want you to know about. They've got to keep the panic going because panic = ratings......


Coronavirus misperceptions widespread in early weeks, according to Stanford study

https://scopeblog.stanford.edu/2020/03/23/coronavirus-misperceptions-widespread-in-early-weeks-according-to-stanford-study/


Nobel laureate predicts US will have much faster coronavirus recovery than expected


https://thehill.com/changing-america/well-being/prevention-cures/489415-nobel-laureate-predicts-us-will-experience

[b5blue]

Where's the bleach I want to do laundry!

[Mytur Binsdirti]

[4cruzin]

Well I must say that I am guilty of hoarding alcohol . . . I figured that would be the first to go so I went to the store to stock up.  I looked pretty funny in line to check out next to everyone that had carts full of toilet paper and I had nothing but booze.  Hey we all have priorities . . . Of course I looked at them like they were crazy!  TOILET PAPER?  You cant drink that!