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« on: April 04, 2020, 11:24:38 PM »

Anyone know this bird that now resides (for sale) in Australia (5 miles from me)? I saw it at the Mopar Sunday show a year or so ago. Been for sale for a couple years I think. How can you tell a real one from the VIN & fender tags etc? I would love a bird but $295K is up there. What would something similar sell for in the states? 

https://www.justcars.com.au/cars-for-sale/1970-plymouth-road-runner-3-sp-automatic-2d-coupe/JCFD5088581
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1970 PLYMOUTH SUPERBIRD. 440/6BBL/BENCH/AUTO/VITAMIN C.
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« Reply #1 on: April 04, 2020, 11:50:28 PM »

VIN: RM23VOA167093
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1968 VW Country Buggy Convertible. 1300/4 SPEED.
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« Reply #2 on: April 05, 2020, 12:11:16 AM »

The numbers check out, to be a real superbird, according to the fender tag. Everything you need to know is here, on this link:

https://aerowarriors.com/sftd.html

I have no idea about the prices in your country, but I've got to believe it's pretty rare to find one for sale down there. In my opinion, although it is a 6 bbl car, more desirable than a 4 bbl 440, it is quite high in price. Details I noticed from the few pictures are incorrectly colored jack pieces, and a totally missing, impossible to find, front scissors jack assembly. Gauges appear original and are yellowed. There's no good pictures of the engine to see what's right and wrong (if you are looking for stock original) and if the engine and transmission numbers match the VIN and fender tag for starters. As you know, original drivetrain commands a much better price than a replacement engine and/or trans.

There are many more knowledgeable people on this site that can give their opinion. I've only owned two birds in my lifetime. That's the extent of my "expertise".
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« Reply #3 on: April 05, 2020, 12:28:54 AM »

Thanks for your reply Sgt Superbird  icon_smile_big

Yes you're right, this would be the only superbird for sale downunder at the moment. Not many mopar guys have nearly 300K to spend on a car tho im guessing.

Thanks for the link. All those numbers check out.

Just doing some sunday dreaming on maybe a trade deal with my 70 charger + cash  Roll Eyes
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1970 PLYMOUTH SUPERBIRD. 440/6BBL/BENCH/AUTO/VITAMIN C.
1977 FORD F-350 RANGER SUPERCAB. 460/C6 AUTO.
1968 VW Country Buggy Convertible. 1300/4 SPEED.
2006 CHRYSLER 300C WAGON. 6/AUTO. OVERSIZE PILOT VEHICLE.
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« Reply #4 on: April 05, 2020, 01:27:14 AM »

The seats are correct (deluxe trim), as is the dash and gauges. The car is a bench seat automatic, so you get the column shift without a console. It appears to be an original AM radio, too.

Good luck! The car doesn't look bad at all.
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« Reply #5 on: April 05, 2020, 01:30:51 AM »

Thanks. Yeah after I decoded it all I realised the difference in the seats was bench and bucket.

Great car, but man that price tag. From what I've seen googling American prices, this would be around the $150K mark.
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1970 PLYMOUTH SUPERBIRD. 440/6BBL/BENCH/AUTO/VITAMIN C.
1977 FORD F-350 RANGER SUPERCAB. 460/C6 AUTO.
1968 VW Country Buggy Convertible. 1300/4 SPEED.
2006 CHRYSLER 300C WAGON. 6/AUTO. OVERSIZE PILOT VEHICLE.
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« Reply #6 on: April 05, 2020, 01:33:14 AM »

https://www.sullivankerr.com.au/stock/details/489070/1969-plymouth-roadrunner-superbird
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« Reply #7 on: April 05, 2020, 01:38:10 AM »

For a 6 bbl car, $150K might just be slightly low, but again, it depends on the condition and original drivetrain. One thing else to consider is if the nose is steel or a replacement fibreglass item. Just throwing things out.
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« Reply #8 on: April 05, 2020, 04:21:53 AM »

Thanks for the link. That seller is based about 1000 miles further south from me. Perhaps they're trying to sell the same car on consignment for the owner up here.
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1970 PLYMOUTH SUPERBIRD. 440/6BBL/BENCH/AUTO/VITAMIN C.
1977 FORD F-350 RANGER SUPERCAB. 460/C6 AUTO.
1968 VW Country Buggy Convertible. 1300/4 SPEED.
2006 CHRYSLER 300C WAGON. 6/AUTO. OVERSIZE PILOT VEHICLE.
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« Reply #9 on: April 05, 2020, 07:48:46 PM »

Being an recent importer of a Superbird to New Zealand (Similar, but AU has luxury tax), the asking price in AU dollars, works out to be approx. $140US, once you consider, currency, tax, shipping etc.
Not bad buying. You could NOT import that V code for that price IMO
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« Reply #10 on: April 05, 2020, 09:07:28 PM »

yeah I know. with duty, GST shipping etc. $295K is probably them not making a lot unless they bought when $ was @ parity. I have a feeling this was sold out of Victoria a few years back. Advertised in both Qld and Vic currently - Strange. These things are perhaps normal when dealing in 300K cars though.
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1970 PLYMOUTH SUPERBIRD. 440/6BBL/BENCH/AUTO/VITAMIN C.
1977 FORD F-350 RANGER SUPERCAB. 460/C6 AUTO.
1968 VW Country Buggy Convertible. 1300/4 SPEED.
2006 CHRYSLER 300C WAGON. 6/AUTO. OVERSIZE PILOT VEHICLE.
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« Reply #11 on: May 03, 2020, 01:27:36 AM »

Might go have a look this week.

1. Where exactly on the 727 trans is the VIN sequence stamped? I've looked on my 70 Charger and cant really see much...

2. Is the VIN sequence stamped on radiator support panel as per B body Charger? I've read somewhere Plymouth B bodies don't have it in that position?

Obviously I'll check inside trunk lip and oil pan rail on the 440.

Thanks in advance for any help  cheers
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1970 PLYMOUTH SUPERBIRD. 440/6BBL/BENCH/AUTO/VITAMIN C.
1977 FORD F-350 RANGER SUPERCAB. 460/C6 AUTO.
1968 VW Country Buggy Convertible. 1300/4 SPEED.
2006 CHRYSLER 300C WAGON. 6/AUTO. OVERSIZE PILOT VEHICLE.
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« Reply #12 on: May 03, 2020, 09:00:53 AM »

Passenger side of the bell  housing, look for a flat pad.

My pal's bird here locally has the partial VIN stamp, it was under the coolant sticker on his, but there is so exact spot on each car for the stamp of the sticker. Locations vary car to car.

If you are not sure what to look for as far as original stamps go, you can take photos and post them here.
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« Reply #13 on: May 04, 2020, 11:40:32 PM »

Thanks Alaskan  cheers
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1970 PLYMOUTH SUPERBIRD. 440/6BBL/BENCH/AUTO/VITAMIN C.
1977 FORD F-350 RANGER SUPERCAB. 460/C6 AUTO.
1968 VW Country Buggy Convertible. 1300/4 SPEED.
2006 CHRYSLER 300C WAGON. 6/AUTO. OVERSIZE PILOT VEHICLE.
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« Reply #14 on: May 05, 2020, 06:51:21 AM »

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« Reply #15 on: May 05, 2020, 06:54:06 AM »

Might go have a look this week.

1. Where exactly on the 727 trans is the VIN sequence stamped? I've looked on my 70 Charger and cant really see much...

2. Is the VIN sequence stamped on radiator support panel as per B body Charger? I've read somewhere Plymouth B bodies don't have it in that position?

Obviously I'll check inside trunk lip and oil pan rail on the 440.

Thanks in advance for any help  cheers
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« Reply #16 on: May 05, 2020, 09:05:58 AM »

With the conversion to USDs it looks like a decent buy. Some things I noticed, chrome valve covers- unpainted master cylinder lid- repop and or incorrectly painted wheels- bucket seat interior door panels- electrical concern with the noticeable lighting issue.
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« Reply #17 on: May 07, 2020, 01:08:42 AM »

thanks for feedback. hadn't even noticed the door trims. looks like original in rear and replaced the door trims. I did a quick search on classic industries. they don't seem to sell the bench seat silver trimmed ones. Maybe that's why the bucket ones used.
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1977 FORD F-350 RANGER SUPERCAB. 460/C6 AUTO.
1968 VW Country Buggy Convertible. 1300/4 SPEED.
2006 CHRYSLER 300C WAGON. 6/AUTO. OVERSIZE PILOT VEHICLE.
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« Reply #18 on: May 09, 2020, 02:36:58 AM »

went and had a look today. resized my pics to 200KB. still cant post them here. any clues?
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1977 FORD F-350 RANGER SUPERCAB. 460/C6 AUTO.
1968 VW Country Buggy Convertible. 1300/4 SPEED.
2006 CHRYSLER 300C WAGON. 6/AUTO. OVERSIZE PILOT VEHICLE.
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« Reply #19 on: May 09, 2020, 02:37:58 AM »

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1977 FORD F-350 RANGER SUPERCAB. 460/C6 AUTO.
1968 VW Country Buggy Convertible. 1300/4 SPEED.
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« Reply #20 on: May 09, 2020, 02:40:15 AM »

ok make sure you select jpeg. got it  cheers


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1970 PLYMOUTH SUPERBIRD. 440/6BBL/BENCH/AUTO/VITAMIN C.
1977 FORD F-350 RANGER SUPERCAB. 460/C6 AUTO.
1968 VW Country Buggy Convertible. 1300/4 SPEED.
2006 CHRYSLER 300C WAGON. 6/AUTO. OVERSIZE PILOT VEHICLE.
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« Reply #21 on: May 09, 2020, 02:41:46 AM »

inside nose cone


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1970 PLYMOUTH SUPERBIRD. 440/6BBL/BENCH/AUTO/VITAMIN C.
1977 FORD F-350 RANGER SUPERCAB. 460/C6 AUTO.
1968 VW Country Buggy Convertible. 1300/4 SPEED.
2006 CHRYSLER 300C WAGON. 6/AUTO. OVERSIZE PILOT VEHICLE.
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« Reply #22 on: May 09, 2020, 02:43:06 AM »

underside and the boy in heaven with a real wing car


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1970 PLYMOUTH SUPERBIRD. 440/6BBL/BENCH/AUTO/VITAMIN C.
1977 FORD F-350 RANGER SUPERCAB. 460/C6 AUTO.
1968 VW Country Buggy Convertible. 1300/4 SPEED.
2006 CHRYSLER 300C WAGON. 6/AUTO. OVERSIZE PILOT VEHICLE.
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« Reply #23 on: May 11, 2020, 12:29:14 PM »

Talked to guy that imported the car into australia back in 2010.
Guy who inspected the car in Cali said it was matching numbers, which turned out to not be true.
So my question is this;
Whats a realistic price in the states for a non numbers, genuine v-code bird? Fibreglass nosecone, missing scissor jack that needs a few mechanicals sorted?
150k?
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1970 PLYMOUTH SUPERBIRD. 440/6BBL/BENCH/AUTO/VITAMIN C.
1977 FORD F-350 RANGER SUPERCAB. 460/C6 AUTO.
1968 VW Country Buggy Convertible. 1300/4 SPEED.
2006 CHRYSLER 300C WAGON. 6/AUTO. OVERSIZE PILOT VEHICLE.
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« Reply #24 on: May 11, 2020, 02:45:27 PM »

Talked to guy that imported the car into australia back in 2010.
Guy who inspected the car in Cali said it was matching numbers, which turned out to not be true.
So my question is this;
Whats a realistic price in the states for a non numbers, genuine v-code bird? Fibreglass nosecone, missing scissor jack that needs a few mechanicals sorted?
150k?


What did he tell you didn't match ?
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