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« Reply #1 on: July 18, 2020, 10:03:51 PM » |
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Nice, but yah.... anyone got some paper and tea and a stamp set? Black nose jack in a 'Tona. Gorgeous car, no need to make shit up. Why the broadcast sheet backed up by a $300 invoice from LMC in Milton Ontario?
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« Reply #8 on: July 19, 2020, 09:53:50 PM » |
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 Wow my car is 400563 that one is 2 car,s after Mine And its a stick also and chance 400564 is out their ? mabey they made a couple in a row ?
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« Reply #9 on: July 20, 2020, 08:44:39 AM » |
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It do seems like a pattern on groups of daytona vin and colors but random luck
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1968 426 Road Runner RM21J8A134509
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« Reply #10 on: July 20, 2020, 09:19:49 AM » |
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The seats look like they are ready to explode.
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« Reply #11 on: July 20, 2020, 09:39:58 AM » |
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I've never owned anything but a MoPar. Can you say that?
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« Reply #12 on: July 26, 2020, 09:06:52 AM » |
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A buddy of mine has some original paperwork for this car.
He bought it wrecked in the mid 1970s.
Sold it to a guy in the Dakotas.
I’m trying to get him to join the forum and
post up the many pics he has of the car from
back in the day.
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« Reply #13 on: July 26, 2020, 10:20:35 AM » |
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Is it for sure that it is a restamped block?
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« Reply #14 on: July 26, 2020, 11:05:27 AM » |
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« Reply #15 on: July 26, 2020, 11:45:17 AM » |
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Ebay listing removed and the website for Redline does not show it in inventory or as a sold car. The video (thanks Ernie) says several times all numbers matching.
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« Reply #17 on: July 26, 2020, 02:40:37 PM » |
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Is it for sure that it is a restamped block?
anyone have a 1969 HAMTRAMCK stamped engine or transmission with the open top "4"? |
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« Reply #18 on: July 26, 2020, 04:37:36 PM » |
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Is it for sure that it is a restamped block?
anyone have a 1969 HAMTRAMCK stamped engine or transmission with the open top "4"? Mine is on the lift right now, I will check. |
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You know you are vintage when someone says, "Back in the day", and you can dispute their facts.
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« Reply #19 on: July 26, 2020, 04:41:31 PM » |
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Is it for sure that it is a restamped block?
Bob If you look at the picture of the trans VIN stamp, even though it's not a great picture, you can see the engine VIN has different 5s and 0s. They should be the same. Sy |
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« Reply #20 on: July 26, 2020, 05:10:33 PM » |
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Did 69 model year cars get the full VIN and not just the last 8 characters? Or was that not universal?
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Arnie Cunningham was the Plymouth obsessed youth in the novel/movie Christine.
Brcook.com contains the entire NASCAR shipping list of Superbirds sorted by VIN and a number of other pages dedicated to production information.
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« Reply #21 on: July 26, 2020, 05:32:55 PM » |
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the 1969 model year started with full VINs being stamped on the engine & transmission, by late-January '69 that changed to last 8-digits ONLY
Charger 500s = full VIN
Daytona = last 8-digits of VIN
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« Reply #22 on: July 26, 2020, 07:42:29 PM » |
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Its sad that people get taken when cars are misrepresented.
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« Reply #23 on: July 26, 2020, 08:23:45 PM » |
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Is it for sure that it is a restamped block?
Bob If you look at the picture of the trans VIN stamp, even though it's not a great picture, you can see the engine VIN has different 5s and 0s. They should be the same. Sy I see that now, thanks. Man you guys are sharp-eyed! Even so, I think it is a magnificent color combo. |
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« Reply #24 on: July 26, 2020, 09:24:48 PM » |
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Since we're on the subject of bogus numbers...how can you guys tell the broadcast sheet is fake? Iv'e seen enough stamped engine blocks to know that it's not right, but apparently I don't have a keen eye when it comes to a bogus broadcast sheet.  |
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« Reply #25 on: July 26, 2020, 10:19:46 PM » |
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the font is all wrong there is stuff missing that should be there - including some of the codes on the fender tag & the date on the door sticker is WAY off  |
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« Reply #26 on: July 27, 2020, 06:09:09 AM » |
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A back in the day photo...
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« Reply #27 on: July 27, 2020, 07:20:10 AM » |
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A back in the day photo...
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« Reply #28 on: July 27, 2020, 07:54:54 AM » |
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I wonder how much of the original car still remains. I would love to own an A4 4-speed Daytona but as others have posted, better to have stated original motor is lost than to fake it.
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« Reply #29 on: July 27, 2020, 08:27:56 AM » |
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A back in the day photo...
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« Reply #30 on: July 27, 2020, 08:28:26 AM » |
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the font is all wrong there is stuff missing that should be there - including some of the codes on the fender tag & the date on the door sticker is WAY off Thanks for the info! |
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« Reply #31 on: July 27, 2020, 09:34:29 AM » |
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A back in the day photo...
Call that a day 2 picture ? You can see some of the silver under the light blue, where the nose is bent. Closer to day 2,500+  |
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« Reply #32 on: July 27, 2020, 12:03:33 PM » |
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the font is all wrong there is stuff missing that should be there - including some of the codes on the fender tag & the date on the door sticker is WAY off the seller's own photos show the date differences G15 on the fender tag, but not on the most likely earlier report |
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« Reply #33 on: July 27, 2020, 12:30:59 PM » |
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I thought the tag looked off as well but didn't catch that the earlier decode was different my above comment was in regard to the FAKE b'cast sheet  |
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« Reply #34 on: July 27, 2020, 12:37:54 PM » |
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the font is all wrong there is stuff missing that should be there - including some of the codes on the fender tag & the date on the door sticker is WAY off So all Daytona's have the vin door sticker like a 1970 model car has ? |
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« Reply #35 on: July 27, 2020, 12:40:00 PM » |
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the font is all wrong there is stuff missing that should be there - including some of the codes on the fender tag & the date on the door sticker is WAY off So all Daytona's have the vin door sticker like a 1970 model car has ? the vast majority, YES - "ALL" seems to always find an exception |
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« Reply #36 on: July 27, 2020, 01:49:17 PM » |
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the font is all wrong there is stuff missing that should be there - including some of the codes on the fender tag & the date on the door sticker is WAY off So all Daytona's have the vin door sticker like a 1970 model car has ? the vast majority, YES - "ALL" seems to always find an exception Thank you,, |
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« Reply #37 on: July 27, 2020, 08:08:53 PM » |
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I have a dumb question... I'm assuming Galen's report would have had a picture of the fender tag. (I'm assuming one was present, since he decoded it.) Why would someone ADD a code? Is it to show the tag is a repop? I guess I'm missing the logic. |
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« Reply #38 on: July 27, 2020, 08:27:11 PM » |
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I had to look it up
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« Reply #39 on: July 27, 2020, 10:10:06 PM » |
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Galen would decode anything you'd pay him to decode (picture/hand written/anything) & not mention problems/issues
an evaluation was another service & additional $$
other than the VIN tag & apparent "9B400565" stamped 4-speed - nothing above authentically describes/details the Daytona (except maybe the ~35 year old picture)
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« Reply #40 on: July 28, 2020, 05:34:42 AM » |
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« Reply #41 on: July 28, 2020, 09:05:26 PM » |
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Is it for sure that it is a restamped block?
anyone have a 1969 HAMTRAMCK stamped engine or transmission with the open top "4"? Mine is on the lift right now, I will check. Checked my Hamtramck Charger R/T. 9B308847 the "4" is closed at the top. I have owned this since 1980 and known of it since 1976. So fairly confident the stamps are original. |
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« Reply #42 on: July 28, 2020, 10:03:44 PM » |
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A back in the day photo...
I asked one of the aero gurus about this car: "A4 4-speed car w/black stripe. Car was a real junk pile. Extremely rusty. Was in Sioux Falls SD in the '70s" |
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« Reply #43 on: July 29, 2020, 02:06:43 PM » |
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So all Daytona's have the vin door sticker like a 1970 model car has ?
the vast majority, YES - "ALL" seems to always find an exception I've found just the opposite... most Daytonas did not have a door tag originally, based on observing the pattern of unrestored cars. Many restorers / owners add repop tags to cars which didn't have them, thinking they were removed at some point. From what I've seen, the presence or absence of the door tag is not tied to the VIN either. |
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« Reply #44 on: July 30, 2020, 07:47:56 AM » |
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A back in the day photo...
I asked one of the aero gurus about this car: "A4 4-speed car w/black stripe. Car was a real junk pile. Extremely rusty. Was in Sioux Falls SD in the '70s" Sioux Falls... Jives with my buddy's remembrance of selling it to a "guy in the Dakotas" back in '76. |
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