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Silver Daytona on Ebay XX29L9B400565 - A4 -C6X- four speed

Started by tan top, January 19, 2021, 04:48:24 PM

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tan top

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C500 & Daytonas & Superbirds
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Interesting pictures & Stuff 
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Old Dodge dealer photos wanted
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tan top

 :popcrn:
Feel free to post any relevant picture you think we all might like to see in the threads below!

Charger Stuff 
http://www.dodgecharger.com/forum/index.php/topic,86777.0.html
Chargers in the background where you least expect them 
http://www.dodgecharger.com/forum/index.php/topic,97261.0.html
C500 & Daytonas & Superbirds
http://www.dodgecharger.com/forum/index.php/topic,95432.0.html
Interesting pictures & Stuff 
http://www.dodgecharger.com/forum/index.php/topic,109484.925.html
Old Dodge dealer photos wanted
 http://www.dodgecharger.com/forum/index.php/topic,120850.0.html

tan top

 :popcrn:
Feel free to post any relevant picture you think we all might like to see in the threads below!

Charger Stuff 
http://www.dodgecharger.com/forum/index.php/topic,86777.0.html
Chargers in the background where you least expect them 
http://www.dodgecharger.com/forum/index.php/topic,97261.0.html
C500 & Daytonas & Superbirds
http://www.dodgecharger.com/forum/index.php/topic,95432.0.html
Interesting pictures & Stuff 
http://www.dodgecharger.com/forum/index.php/topic,109484.925.html
Old Dodge dealer photos wanted
 http://www.dodgecharger.com/forum/index.php/topic,120850.0.html

Alaskan_TA

Fender tag and broadcast sheet do not agree, re-stamped engine, fake window sticker.....

XX29L9B400565 is a hot mess.  :rotz:

gtx6970

How might I ask do you know its a restamped engine.

Listing just states date correct

69_500

This car is good looking, however as Barry said its a hot mess. its not number matching, and that tag is incorrect. This car recently sold, and was bought by a gentleman in Florida who is not exactly happy with what he purchased. He was not so happy finding out the issues with the car.

held1823

from an old dealer listing
Ernie Helderbrand
XX29L9B409053

BS27ROB


gtx6970

Quote from: 69_500 on January 19, 2021, 08:04:57 PM
This car is good looking, however as Barry said its a hot mess. its not number matching, and that tag is incorrect. This car recently sold, and was bought by a gentleman in Florida who is not exactly happy with what he purchased. He was not so happy finding out the issues with the car.

thanks

Birdflu

Quote from: held1823 on January 19, 2021, 08:08:16 PM
from an old dealer listing

WOW! Those block numbers may as well be stamped in cursive! GEEZ!  :-\

hemigeno

The broadcast sheet is a repop also - with an intent by someone to defraud, making it look "aged".


erndog

with the issues the car has, lets say wrong motor bad build sheet it is a real Daytona right? what is it worth? good looking car

Sgt Superbird

I agree. With all its issues, it's still a beautiful machine.

70sixpkrt

With all it's issues it is still a Daytona but people would second guess its legitimacy.


440-6pk, 4-speed, Dana 60 with 3:54  
13.01 @107.93 (street tires spinning all the way down)

taxspeaker

The car is stunning. Let's say a guy destroyed the fake build sheet, ground the numbers off the block to drop claims on matching numbers and verified VIN on dash, fender, radiator and trunk, and removed all claims of matching numbers or build sheets or anything else, would that make it a desirable Daytona or still a fake one?

B54SPEED

If everything checked out OTHER than the restamped block and the fake sheet I would say its desirable

Dave Kanofsky

Does the nose around the headlight doors look unusually contoured to anyone else?
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erndog

it does look odd but it might just be the lighting and the angle of the pictures

held1823

Ernie Helderbrand
XX29L9B409053

erndog

OUCH!!! yeah that might have something to do with it.........in the early 90's I looked at a Daytona that had been hit hard on the drivers side front tire wheel well area, car was 100% complete,  car was F8  green color with white interior 4 speed 440 car was in northern CA at that time sound familiar to anyone..............anyone know what happened to the car?

Birdflu

Quote from: taxspeaker on January 23, 2021, 10:36:08 AM
The car is stunning. Let's say a guy destroyed the fake build sheet, ground the numbers off the block to drop claims on matching numbers and verified VIN on dash, fender, radiator and trunk, and removed all claims of matching numbers or build sheets or anything else, would that make it a desirable Daytona or still a fake one?

So once a guy removes all of the 'haze'...what's the car really worth in today's market?

Aero426

Quote from: Dave Kanofsky on January 23, 2021, 12:21:27 PM
Does the nose around the headlight doors look unusually contoured to anyone else?

Everything about the nose edges and contours look really soft.       Of course, it may not even be the original nose.   

birdsandbees

1970 'Bird RM23UOA170163
1969 'Bee WM21H9A230241
1969 Dart Swinger LM23P9B190885
1967 Plymouth Barracuda Formula S
1966 Plymouth Satellite HP2 - 9941 original miles
1964 Dodge 440 62422504487

taxspeaker

Quote from: Birdflu on January 24, 2021, 09:37:34 AM
Quote from: taxspeaker on January 23, 2021, 10:36:08 AM
The car is stunning. Let's say a guy destroyed the fake build sheet, ground the numbers off the block to drop claims on matching numbers and verified VIN on dash, fender, radiator and trunk, and removed all claims of matching numbers or build sheets or anything else, would that make it a desirable Daytona or still a fake one?

So once a guy removes all of the 'haze'...what's the car really worth in today's market?

Tough to say-normally I would say $150-180 without paperwork, non-original engine and some questionable body work, but with all of the controversy and the "smell" associated with the issues, I would drop that by a lot, a whole lot. I am going to be about an hour north of there on auction day and will drive down to find out. That nose brings its own set of issues and Ernie's picture of the front end crash does too, but it is sure a good looking Daytona.

DAY CLONA

Quote from: Dave Kanofsky on January 23, 2021, 12:21:27 PM
Does the nose around the headlight doors look unusually contoured to anyone else?




Yes, I noticed that right off, seems typical of most wingcar noses often repaired from an accident by an individual or shop that has no reference to reshape/contour the nose back to the proper shape, chances are if it's the original nose hammered out, it's full of bondo and carved to shape, seen this a lot over the decades....

overall it's a nice car, a few issues, but nothing that can't be corrected....


Mike G

taxspeaker

Been staring at this engine for 15 minutes trying to determine what is catching my eye as "wrong". Then it hit me-that's the wrong location for PCV on passenger valve cover. This is at the front of the valve cover and my original yellow 69 440 has it at the back of the valve cover. In the green one from Barret Jackson it is also at the rear of the valve cover. Now I've gotten to thinking-if the engine is restamped and this is the wrong valve cover is the engine even a 69 440? I don't know enough about engine/year differences to place the pcv in the front, but I think that is a ??? valve cover on a ??? engine. It says date code correct but from what kind of vehicle? Engine pic does not show the pad to see.

Anyone else? Somebody said the fender tag is bad-I know it does not match the broadcast sheet, but can't see the issue on that.

Thanks
Bob

6bblgt


moparstuart

Quote from: Aero426 on January 25, 2021, 09:13:38 AM
Quote from: Dave Kanofsky on January 23, 2021, 12:21:27 PM
Does the nose around the headlight doors look unusually contoured to anyone else?

Everything about the nose edges and contours look really soft.       Of course, it may not even be the original nose.   
the way it dips on the ends looks alot like early Gregory Noses 
GO SELL CRAZY SOMEWHERE ELSE WE ARE ALL STOCKED UP HERE

taxspeaker

Current online auction through Proxibid is $150,000 + 11% internet fee
Live about an hour south of me Saturday-thinking of driving down to watch the show.

426HemiChick

                   20 March 2021

The nose looks strange. The driver side where it meets the fender seal droops. The nose appears pudgy around the headlights and the headlights don't look correct; contoured where they shouldn't be. Not experts but it just doesn't look correct to us.

If we were looking to buy it, we would want a genuine verifiable Daytona to have beside it for a comparison. Yes, it looks very nice and clean, but, what surprises lie under all that slick and shinny paint.

The photo Ernie posted after that Daytona lost an argument and got punched in the snot locker, tells us there's a good chance of hidden damage-repair.

Wouldn't touch it. Learned long ago that if something doesn't seem right, Run. Listen to your gut.

Best Always

426 Hemi Chicks
Veteran - US Navy  Ex-Smoker (05 Mar 69) 55 years, heading for 100, 45 to go. Still lots to learn, lots to make up for. Weren't no angel. Fugitive from Southlake TX's Kangaroo Court

taxspeaker

No sale at $190,000 + 10% buyer premium or $209,000. Not sure what seller is thinking-nice car but nose, past wreck/repair history, questionable paperwork, incorrect engine appearance (see valve covers) hurt its value a lot, in my opinion. This small venue compared to a day when both Mecum and Barret have much bigger auctions going on sucking away buyers was a poor choice in my opinion as well.

If he really wants to sell it, pay an inspector and disclose what he finds in order to regain the car's reputation, and sell it at a national auction.

triple_green

Its in the Daytona Registry:

XX29L9B400565   6   Wolverine Dodge   Jackson   MI   8/16/1969      E86   D21   XX29   L   9   B   400565   A4   A4
68 Charger 383 HP grandma car (the orignal 3X)

NASCAR-Daytona

Well, it is back up for auction again:

[https://rmsothebys.com/en/auctions/0521/open-roads--may/lots/r0040-1969-dodge-charger-daytona/1093550][/url]


I am a new member and a previous owner of this car (as previously referred to by ODCICS2, who provided a couple of my pictures in another post.)

I will publish more about this car in the future.  ;)

held1823

from the current auction description

Ernie Helderbrand
XX29L9B409053

Aero426

It was on display at Amelia Island last weekend.    Thanks to Martin Spetz for the photo.   

held1823

the 245k hammer price for this car shows you what a steal john's oe-gold car truly was
Ernie Helderbrand
XX29L9B409053

moparstuart

Quote from: held1823 on May 26, 2021, 11:58:40 AM
the 245k hammer price for this car shows you what a steal john's oe-gold car truly was
wow  at least they disclosed the fraudulent documentation and stamps
GO SELL CRAZY SOMEWHERE ELSE WE ARE ALL STOCKED UP HERE

69_500

Most recent pictures sure make me think its a Gene Gregory nose cone from the 80's.

moparstuart

Quote from: 69_500 on May 30, 2021, 08:30:10 PM
Most recent pictures sure make me think its a Gene Gregory nose cone from the 80's.
very much agree 
GO SELL CRAZY SOMEWHERE ELSE WE ARE ALL STOCKED UP HERE