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Hemi 500 auction XX29J9B239407

Started by lngp, August 20, 2021, 11:08:44 PM

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August 21, 2021, 01:06:38 AM
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Ernie Helderbrand
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August 21, 2021, 01:07:41 AM
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August 21, 2021, 01:08:44 AM
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August 21, 2021, 01:09:48 AM
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August 21, 2021, 01:13:46 AM
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aerolith

#9
August 21, 2021, 03:12:04 AM
Very nice indeed!

Is this the car that Julius restored back in the early 2000's?
If not it is very similar as maybe that was an auto?

Saw it in a San Fernando showroom for $75,000 in 2004... :eyes:
The guy was desperate to sell and said he would take $70K? :pity:

Yes, I would have bought it at that time as we all know its super rare with awesome colours... :drool5: :drool5: :drool5:

But I only had $15,000 to buy a C500 with and he said ''NO'' at that price...(killjoy)... :slap:
Never send to know, for whom the bell tolls,
IT TOLLS FOR THEE...

John Donne 1623

RSI700VIPER

#10
August 21, 2021, 02:03:07 PM
Quote from: aerolith on August 21, 2021, 03:12:04 AM
Very nice indeed!

Is this the car that Julius restored back in the early 2000's?
If not it is very similar as maybe that was an auto?

Saw it in a San Fernando showroom for $75,000 in 2004... :eyes:
The guy was desperate to sell and said he would take $70K? :pity:

Yes, I would have bought it at that time as we all know its super rare with awesome colours... :drool5: :drool5: :drool5:
But I only had $15,000 to buy a C500 with and he said ''NO'' at that price...(killjoy)... :slap:

I use to own the Julius restored Hemi Charger 500.  Sold it about 2012 or so.  The Julius car was an auto on the column.  I believe this car was at Carlisle back in 2009- 2010.  I wasn't there but a friend who was said an identical Hemi 500 to mine sold for $94K and it had a 4-speed.  How many White with red gut hemi charger 500 4-speeds could they have made?
69 V2 Daytona 440 4-Speed 3.54 Dana
70 FJ5 Superbird 440+6 4-Speed 3.54 Dana
69 Talladega Torino 428 CJ
69 Mercury Cyclone Spoiler II Gurney Special
70 T6 Challenger T/A 4-speed
70 V2 Challenger R/T 440 Six Pack 4-speed
71 FC7 Challenger Vert Flemington Speedway Pace Car
71 V2 Challenger RT Formal Roof w/ V2 Stripe & Houndstooth

aerolith

#11
August 23, 2021, 07:15:27 AM
So sad for you Viper, :'( :'( :'(

If I could have afforded the ex-Julius C-500 in 2004, I would never have sold it! :drool5: :drool5: :drool5:

It was the first C-500 I ever saw and 'it was love at first sight'. :pity: :pity: :pity:

Maybe in my next life, I will be lucky enough to get a white Hemi C-500 with a manual trans and dana, lol... :shruggy: :cheers: :icon_smile_big:
Never send to know, for whom the bell tolls,
IT TOLLS FOR THEE...

John Donne 1623

lngp

#12
August 23, 2021, 11:33:56 PM
Quote from: RSI700VIPER on August 21, 2021, 02:03:07 PM
Quote from: aerolith on August 21, 2021, 03:12:04 AM
Very nice indeed!

Is this the car that Julius restored back in the early 2000's?
If not it is very similar as maybe that was an auto?

Saw it in a San Fernando showroom for $75,000 in 2004... :eyes:
The guy was desperate to sell and said he would take $70K? :pity:

Yes, I would have bought it at that time as we all know its super rare with awesome colours... :drool5: :drool5: :drool5:
But I only had $15,000 to buy a C500 with and he said ''NO'' at that price...(killjoy)... :slap:

I use to own the Julius restored Hemi Charger 500.  Sold it about 2012 or so.  The Julius car was an auto on the column.  I believe this car was at Carlisle back in 2009- 2010.  I wasn't there but a friend who was said an identical Hemi 500 to mine sold for $94K and it had a 4-speed.  How many White with red gut hemi charger 500 4-speeds could they have made?
Was your white hemi 500 sold at Crown Dodge in Fayetteville North Carolina? I Was told that there were three hemi 500s sold there. Two white ones one 4speed and 1 automatic and one red automatic. I have seen the red and the white automatic cars in the 80s but never ran across the 4speed car.

RSI700VIPER

#13
August 24, 2021, 06:30:19 AM
I never knew the original dealership although I had good history of the car back to the 3rd owner.  I had Poloroid's of the car before Julius did his magic.  The car was rust free but had some bad quarter panel damage and was powered by a 383.  Wonder what the hammer down price will be on this beauty.     
69 V2 Daytona 440 4-Speed 3.54 Dana
70 FJ5 Superbird 440+6 4-Speed 3.54 Dana
69 Talladega Torino 428 CJ
69 Mercury Cyclone Spoiler II Gurney Special
70 T6 Challenger T/A 4-speed
70 V2 Challenger R/T 440 Six Pack 4-speed
71 FC7 Challenger Vert Flemington Speedway Pace Car
71 V2 Challenger RT Formal Roof w/ V2 Stripe & Houndstooth

69_500

#14
August 24, 2021, 05:35:46 PM
Quote from: RSI700VIPER on August 21, 2021, 02:03:07 PM
Quote from: aerolith on August 21, 2021, 03:12:04 AM
Very nice indeed!

Is this the car that Julius restored back in the early 2000's?
If not it is very similar as maybe that was an auto?

Saw it in a San Fernando showroom for $75,000 in 2004... :eyes:
The guy was desperate to sell and said he would take $70K? :pity:

Yes, I would have bought it at that time as we all know its super rare with awesome colours... :drool5: :drool5: :drool5:
But I only had $15,000 to buy a C500 with and he said ''NO'' at that price...(killjoy)... :slap:

I use to own the Julius restored Hemi Charger 500.  Sold it about 2012 or so.  The Julius car was an auto on the column.  I believe this car was at Carlisle back in 2009- 2010.  I wasn't there but a friend who was said an identical Hemi 500 to mine sold for $94K and it had a 4-speed.  How many White with red gut hemi charger 500 4-speeds could they have made?

I have only seen 2 W1 HEMI 500's with red interior. If that helps any. I haven't seen them all.

69_500

#15
August 24, 2021, 05:57:50 PM
First time I saw this car after it as restored I believe that Steve Fox was the owner. 2004/5. I have not seen the car in person since 2009. I plan to make a trip up to the auction to see this car.

hemi68charger

#16
August 25, 2021, 06:36:20 AM
Beautiful !!!!   Wonder if they know the car lost its grille "Charger" script..
Troy
'69 Charger Daytona 440 auto 4.10 Dana ( now 426 HEMI )
'70 Superbird 426 Hemi auto: Lindsley Bonneville Salt Flat world record holder (220.2mph)
Houston Mopar Club Connection

DAY CLONA

#17
August 25, 2021, 06:43:20 AM
Quote from: hemi68charger on August 25, 2021, 06:36:20 AM
Beautiful !!!!   Wonder if they know the car lost its grille "Charger" script..



Lots more missing and incorrect on this car......

Xenon

#18
August 26, 2021, 02:54:38 AM
Quote from: RSI700VIPER on August 24, 2021, 06:30:19 AM
I never knew the original dealership although I had good history of the car back to the 3rd owner.  I had Poloroid's of the car before Julius did his magic.  The car was rust free but had some bad quarter panel damage and was powered by a 383.  Wonder what the hammer down price will be on this beauty.     

If you don't mind my asking... Where did you get Polaroid's of that car when it was smashed..? Where were they taken..?
Also would you mind posting what you have on who owned it and when..?

odcics2

#19
August 26, 2021, 06:14:38 AM
Nice color combination.
Looks like the Ray Fox #3 that Buddy Baker drove in 1969.
I've never owned anything but a MoPar. Can you say that?

aerolith

#20
August 26, 2021, 09:19:47 AM
A classic case of OVER-RESTO when it comes to paint!

White is a great colour, but you can have TOO much of any colour, (even white)!
A rare car like this needs the underfloor pan and Wheelhouses painted in the correct blacks... :slap:

The missing script for the grille is a BIG NO-NO too... :icon_smile_blackeye:

Fit and finish is everything on such a fine example of a Hemi 500!!! :pullinghair: :nono: :flush:
Never send to know, for whom the bell tolls,
IT TOLLS FOR THEE...

John Donne 1623

JB400

#21
August 27, 2021, 12:57:27 AM
The grille mouldings are missing as well

aerolith

#22
August 27, 2021, 02:56:31 AM
OMG, how bad can this GET! :slap:

But saying THAT, it does have the TW0 Most desirable things in the 'World of Mopar'!!!

(Well three actually, 'power brakes') So all is forgiven... :pity: :pity: :pity:
Never send to know, for whom the bell tolls,
IT TOLLS FOR THEE...

John Donne 1623

Mytur Binsdirti

#23
August 27, 2021, 03:35:22 AM
The HURST "stick script" on the shifter is the style used for mid-'68 when they changed over from the Inland shifter. Was this style script ever used on a '69?

Beep Beep Dave

#24
August 27, 2021, 08:09:44 AM
This car was in Canada for the 1990's and early 2000.

Dave
'69-1/2 SIXPACK/SIXBBL REGISTRY On-Line Registry for the Lift Off Hood cars!!!
Maple Leaf Mopars your Canadian Mopar site.

1970 Charger R/T

hemi68charger

#25
August 27, 2021, 08:38:53 AM
Quote from: Mytur Binsdirti on August 27, 2021, 03:35:22 AM
The HURST "stick script" on the shifter is the style used for mid-'68 when they changed over from the Inland shifter. Was this style script ever used on a '69?

I do believe my 1st T7 4speed C500 had that HURST machined section in it.......

This is from Richard's 610 C500, the Press Release twin to mine......  The shifter is clearly seen to have the HURST in it.. Obviously these 1st 500's had carry-over 68 stuff, like this and the black exterior door handle buttons.
Troy
'69 Charger Daytona 440 auto 4.10 Dana ( now 426 HEMI )
'70 Superbird 426 Hemi auto: Lindsley Bonneville Salt Flat world record holder (220.2mph)
Houston Mopar Club Connection

Mytur Binsdirti

#26
August 27, 2021, 06:48:41 PM
Notice the more common outlined HURST script on this shifter compared to the one in the white 500...




chargervert

#27
August 28, 2021, 02:36:45 PM
This car was built a few cars after my former 69 500. My car was 239388,this one is 239407.

TX9AAR

#28
August 28, 2021, 09:31:55 PM
What's a fair price on this car? I really like the painted transmission.
68 Coronet R/T Convertible
70 AAR Cuda
97 Ram

white

#29
August 28, 2021, 10:51:09 PM
Mopar Muscle Magazine September 1994

white

#30
August 28, 2021, 10:52:30 PM
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white

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August 28, 2021, 10:53:05 PM
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aerolith

#32
August 29, 2021, 05:16:04 AM
Good Question.

What's a fair price?

Set a high reserve, see how far it gets bid-up and then do a deal with the highest bidder, (somewhere in between)?

A perfect 440 4-speed C500 is $100,000. (auto is $90K)

A perfect 426 4-speed C-500 is $200,000... :scratchchin: :shruggy: :-\ (this one $195k due to missing bits)... :rotz:

Not a bad investment for a $750 (hemi) option in 1969... :2thumbs:
Never send to know, for whom the bell tolls,
IT TOLLS FOR THEE...

John Donne 1623

69_500

#33
September 03, 2021, 07:54:37 PM
Quote from: TX9AAR on August 28, 2021, 09:31:55 PM
What's a fair price on this car? I really like the painted transmission.

my estimate before going to look at the car is $120-130k for this car. Its not numbers matching, and isn't restored to any kind of an OE level.

RSI700VIPER

#34
September 05, 2021, 07:47:05 AM
Anyone know what this beauty finally sold for with fees?
69 V2 Daytona 440 4-Speed 3.54 Dana
70 FJ5 Superbird 440+6 4-Speed 3.54 Dana
69 Talladega Torino 428 CJ
69 Mercury Cyclone Spoiler II Gurney Special
70 T6 Challenger T/A 4-speed
70 V2 Challenger R/T 440 Six Pack 4-speed
71 FC7 Challenger Vert Flemington Speedway Pace Car
71 V2 Challenger RT Formal Roof w/ V2 Stripe & Houndstooth

69_500

#35
September 06, 2021, 05:44:18 PM
Quote from: RSI700VIPER on September 05, 2021, 07:47:05 AM
Anyone know what this beauty finally sold for with fees?

Hammered down at $145K. I went to the auction to view the car. It was a nice looking car, but very far from the advertised OE style restoration. Car was missing the grille extension pieces, missing braces on front bumper. The entire interior was reproduction pieces from legendary. Carpet was replaced, console was cracked (original console but a tan one that was dyed red). headliner, seat covers, door panels and seat belts were are all replaced since new. Left quarter panel has had work done if not the entire thing replaced at some point. Trunk floor had been replaced.  Engine was not original to car.

After looking at the car my personal opinion was that if anyone was going to bid over $115K the seller should take the money and run. Seller got more than that, he should definitely be happy and pleased.

green69rt

#36
September 06, 2021, 07:47:20 PM
Did THE 500 not get the driver side remote mirror?

hemi68charger

#37
September 06, 2021, 08:28:31 PM
Quote from: green69rt on September 06, 2021, 07:47:20 PM
Did THE 500 not get the driver side remote mirror?

It was an option just like any other 69 B-body... However the Charger R/T was built is what Creative converted..
Troy
'69 Charger Daytona 440 auto 4.10 Dana ( now 426 HEMI )
'70 Superbird 426 Hemi auto: Lindsley Bonneville Salt Flat world record holder (220.2mph)
Houston Mopar Club Connection

RSI700VIPER

#38
September 08, 2021, 03:28:36 PM
So "Hammered down at $145K" means out the door at $159.5K?   I would have found that temping for a hemi 4-speed aero car in that color combo.  I sold my C500 Hemi Auto for less but not a lot less than that.   
69 V2 Daytona 440 4-Speed 3.54 Dana
70 FJ5 Superbird 440+6 4-Speed 3.54 Dana
69 Talladega Torino 428 CJ
69 Mercury Cyclone Spoiler II Gurney Special
70 T6 Challenger T/A 4-speed
70 V2 Challenger R/T 440 Six Pack 4-speed
71 FC7 Challenger Vert Flemington Speedway Pace Car
71 V2 Challenger RT Formal Roof w/ V2 Stripe & Houndstooth

69_500

#39
September 10, 2021, 05:38:50 PM
Quote from: RSI700VIPER on September 08, 2021, 03:28:36 PM
So "Hammered down at $145K" means out the door at $159.5K?   I would have found that temping for a hemi 4-speed aero car in that color combo.  I sold my C500 Hemi Auto for less but not a lot less than that.   

I went to look at the car at the auction. its not a terrible car by any means, but my assessment after viewing it in person was that anything over $115K the seller had better be taking the money and running.

Car was non number matching. Entire interior was aftermarket pieces, other than upper door pads. Carpet, headliner, seat covers and seat belts all replacement pieces. Console was cracked, it was a tan console that had been dyed red. Car was missing grille extension pieces on the front, and was missing bumper bracing. Other minor issues with the car as well. Plus side its a Hemi 4 speed.
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