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Started by Stevearino, June 18, 2022, 07:33:49 PM

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Stevearino

I may be starting another Daytona clone at the beginning of next year and I wanted to get a head start on one of the more difficult pieces to find. Does anyone know of any reproduction Daytona back glass that might be for sale out there. Thanks in advance

cdr

Quote from: Stevearino on June 18, 2022, 07:33:49 PM
I may be starting another Daytona clone at the beginning of next year and I wanted to get a head start on one of the more difficult pieces to find. Does anyone know of any reproduction Daytona back glass that might be for sale out there. Thanks in advance

If & when I do my rear window I will use a lexan one that Janak makes, but my junk isn't as nicely done as your builds
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dreamcatcher

Janak stuff is pretty good quality. Some of it needed a bit of modification. But over all is was good. I used most of his kit on my Superbird. And the Lexan glass has been my car for about 13 years and is still very clear.
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Stevearino

Quote from: cdr on June 19, 2022, 08:34:20 AM
Quote from: Stevearino on June 18, 2022, 07:33:49 PM
I may be starting another Daytona clone at the beginning of next year and I wanted to get a head start on one of the more difficult pieces to find. Does anyone know of any reproduction Daytona back glass that might be for sale out there. Thanks in advance

If & when I do my rear window I will use a lexan one that Janak makes, but my junk isn't as nicely done as your builds



Your stuff is plenty sporty Charlie. :cheers






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Quote from: dreamcatcher on June 19, 2022, 01:49:39 PM
Janak stuff is pretty good quality. Some of it needed a bit of modification. But over all is was good. I used most of his kit on my Superbird. And the Lexan glass has been my car for about 13 years and is still very clear.





Good to  know. We will see where I end up when it is time to start.

moparstuart

Sue posted in the latest Winged Warriors News Letter that AMD was making another limited run of back glass and to get your order in quick to get one 
GO SELL CRAZY SOMEWHERE ELSE WE ARE ALL STOCKED UP HERE

Daytona R/T SE

Quote from: moparstuart on June 23, 2022, 11:00:39 AM
Sue posted in the latest Winged Warriors News Letter that AMD was making another limited run of back glass and to get your order in quick to get one  

:2thumbs: I guess maybe I should actually read the news letters, huh?  :scratchchin:  :P :shruggy: :eek2:

Stevearino

Quote from: moparstuart on June 23, 2022, 11:00:39 AM
Sue posted in the latest Winged Warriors News Letter that AMD was making another limited run of back glass and to get your order in quick to get one 


Thanks Stu.

426HemiChick

Quote from: moparstuart on June 23, 2022, 11:00:39 AM
Sue posted in the latest Winged Warriors News Letter that AMD was making another limited run of back glass and to get your order in quick to get one 

Hi Stuart,          25 June 2022

Since we don't get the "Winged Warriors News Letter" could you please provide the contact info for AMD and the Winged Warriors News Letter. Would be much appreciated.

Thank You in advance

Best Always

426 Hemi Chicks
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426HemiChick

Quote from: moparstuart on June 23, 2022, 11:00:39 AM
Sue posted in the latest Winged Warriors News Letter that AMD was making another limited run of back glass and to get your order in quick to get one 

Hi Stuart,             27 June 2022

If the AMD you mentioned is Auto Metal Direct. I just got off the phone with their buyer. He said they had no current plans to produce (they buy them) Daytona Rear Backlights.

Here's the link to the AMD I talked to:

       http://www.autometaldirect.com/index.php?gclid=EAIaIQobChMI3ISCl4nO-AIVmwytBh3SBg3REAAYASAAEgJVTPD_BwE

Phone: 833-404-4777

If this is not the AMD referenced in your post, please post a correction to this post.

Thanks in advance.

Best Always

Christine
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Mopar Nut

Quote from: 426HemiChick on June 27, 2022, 12:01:44 PM
Quote from: moparstuart on June 23, 2022, 11:00:39 AM
Sue posted in the latest Winged Warriors News Letter that AMD was making another limited run of back glass and to get your order in quick to get one 

Hi Stuart,             27 June 2022

If the AMD you mentioned is Auto Metal Direct. I just got off the phone with their buyer. He said they had no current plans to produce (they buy them) Daytona Rear Backlights.

Here's the link to the AMD I talked to:

       http://www.autometaldirect.com/index.php?gclid=EAIaIQobChMI3ISCl4nO-AIVmwytBh3SBg3REAAYASAAEgJVTPD_BwE

Phone: 833-404-4777

If this is not the AMD referenced in your post, please post a correction to this post.

Thanks in advance.

Best Always

Christine
I called All Metal Direct too, and they told me the same thing.
"Dear God, my prayer for 2024 is a fat bank account and a thin body. Please don't mix these up like you did the last ten years."

Stevearino

Well I emailed AMD so that is probably the reason I have not gotten a reply.  Just a rumor. Oh well it was worth a try.

426HemiChick

Quote from: Mopar Nut on June 27, 2022, 06:55:30 PM
I called All Metal Direct too, and they told me the same thing.

Hi Mopar Nut,              27 June 2022

Thanks for verifying what we found. Wish they were going to produce/sell them. Maybe a few inquires will give them the motivation to order a run. We'd buy a couple just in case we decide to buy another Daytona down the road.

Take Care

Best Always

426 Hemi Chicks
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426HemiChick

Quote from: Stevearino on June 27, 2022, 08:15:52 PM
Well I emailed AMD so that is probably the reason I have not gotten a reply.  Just a rumor. Oh well it was worth a try.

Hi Stevearino,             27 June 2022

We're believers in asking questions. If you don't ask, the answer is NO. If you do ask, there's a 50/50 chance you'll get a Yes.

Best Always

426 Hemi Chicks
Veteran - US Navy  Ex-Smoker (05 Mar 69) 55 years, heading for 100, 45 to go. Still lots to learn, lots to make up for. Weren't no angel. Fugitive from Southlake TX's Kangaroo Court

Mopar Nut

Quote from: 426HemiChick on June 27, 2022, 08:19:44 PM
Quote from: Mopar Nut on June 27, 2022, 06:55:30 PM
I called All Metal Direct too, and they told me the same thing.

Hi Mopar Nut,              27 June 2022

Thanks for verifying what we found. Wish they were going to produce/sell them. Maybe a few inquires will give them the motivation to order a run. We'd buy a couple just in case we decide to buy another Daytona down the road.

Take Care

Best Always

426 Hemi Chicks
My thoughts exactly, if a lot of people show the demand for the Daytona back glass, AMD might reproduce it again.
"Dear God, my prayer for 2024 is a fat bank account and a thin body. Please don't mix these up like you did the last ten years."

aerolith

Nice words Mopar NUT!

I have a thin body and nothing in the bank lol.

My Charger 500 back-glass got broken back in the mists of time.
I'm hoping some will be made again and I have the funds to purchase one?

My worry is folks will buy them for future projects and the prices will soar?

Lets hope whoever makes them, will make a 'big run' for ''this could be the last time, I don't know''? :shruggy:

Thanks Mick, can't get that outta my head now, doh... :brickwall: :brickwall: :brickwall:
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IT TOLLS FOR THEE...

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KurtfromLaQuinta

I to was searching for the back glass. I found the place where they used to make them for AMD. Seems the old guy who was a wizard with auto glass made them on the side of the business he ran someplace in Los Angeles area. He passed away a couple of years ago and the side project stopped. No more back glass. AMD sold out what they had. That's it.     
Someone around here kinda sent me a lead on a place in the Los Angeles area that might have the mold for them. i called them up and talked with some guy who said "I think we did get a mold from some older gent who recently died from so and so place.  :shruggy: I got a call a few days later telling me "NOPE". Not around here.
I also investigated using a '67 Shovette Impala rear window. Those things are huge and available in a few different shades of tint. BUT... they're tempered glass. So cutting them to fit is a risky procedure. Unless somebody knows someone who has the skills to cut those down?
I tried.
With my project... http://www.dodgecharger.com/forum/index.php/topic,139275.0.html
I'm going with Janik because I need to drill that rear window for braces anyway. Not a easy deal with real glass. So I'll deal with the composite unit.

doctor4766

Quote from: KurtfromLaQuinta on August 13, 2022, 06:04:12 PM
I to was searching for the back glass. I found the place where they used to make them for AMD. Seems the old guy who was a wizard with auto glass made them on the side of the business he ran someplace in Los Angeles area. He passed away a couple of years ago and the side project stopped. No more back glass. AMD sold out what they had. That's it.     
Someone around here kinda sent me a lead on a place in the Los Angeles area that might have the mold for them. i called them up and talked with some guy who said "I think we did get a mold from some older gent who recently died from so and so place.  :shruggy: I got a call a few days later telling me "NOPE". Not around here.
I also investigated using a '67 Shovette Impala rear window. Those things are huge and available in a few different shades of tint. BUT... they're tempered glass. So cutting them to fit is a risky procedure. Unless somebody knows someone who has the skills to cut those down?
I tried.
With my project... http://www.dodgecharger.com/forum/index.php/topic,139275.0.html
I'm going with Janik because I need to drill that rear window for braces anyway. Not a easy deal with real glass. So I'll deal with the composite unit.

You can't cut tempered glass down. It WILL shatter if you try
Gotta love a '69

Mopar Nut

Here's a good read, if you wanted to make a Daytona clone using a Vega hatchback.

http://www.dodgecharger.com/forum/index.php/topic,8271.0.html
"Dear God, my prayer for 2024 is a fat bank account and a thin body. Please don't mix these up like you did the last ten years."

wyliemn71

I have a spare and will sell for the right amount of dough

Stevearino

Quote from: wyliemn71 on August 15, 2022, 10:31:22 AM
I have a spare and will sell for the right amount of dough

PM sent.

sandwichrob2112

Hi Everyone,

I am new but have been following closely learning and preparing to build a replica Daytona with the help of many.

I sent a message to ECS automotive concepts for a Daytona rear window and this was their response:

Hello Rob,
I can give you the Labor day sale price on the glass.  You will save 15%.  The glass would be $467.50 + Shipping.  It will take around 6 weeks for delivery.  Do you know the date code you want?
Thanks
ECS Automotive Concepts
753 Goddard Ave.
Chesterfield, MO 63005
1-855-532-7846
(636)536-2221
www.ecsautomotive.com

I emailed them back to confirm again that it is for a 1969 Dodge Charger Daytona and waiting to hear back but I thought it was worth sharing.

Rob

Stevearino

Quote from: sandwichrob2112 on September 01, 2022, 12:00:23 PM
Hi Everyone,

I am new but have been following closely learning and preparing to build a replica Daytona with the help of many.

I sent a message to ECS automotive concepts for a Daytona rear window and this was their response:

Hello Rob,
I can give you the Labor day sale price on the glass.  You will save 15%.  The glass would be $467.50 + Shipping.  It will take around 6 weeks for delivery.  Do you know the date code you want?
Thanks
ECS Automotive Concepts
753 Goddard Ave.
Chesterfield, MO 63005
1-855-532-7846
(636)536-2221
www.ecsautomotive.com

I emailed them back to confirm again that it is for a 1969 Dodge Charger Daytona and waiting to hear back but I thought it was worth sharing.

Rob




Great news if it is true.

Stevearino

It turns out it was a misunderstanding and no Daytona rear glass is available from ECS.

426HemiChick

Quote from: doctor4766 on August 14, 2022, 08:15:53 PM
You can't cut tempered glass down. It WILL shatter if you try

Hi Doc, Folks,                01 September 2022

It seems to us, that a mold possibly exists for the Daytona rear backlight. Several had to have existed at one time in order for the backlights to have been made in the first place. The gentleman that died that was making the replacement backlights also had to have had one for him to make them.

Unless every mold that ever existed for the Daytona rear windows has been destroyed or scrapped, there may be one or two just squirreled-away, possibly by someone not knowing exactly what they have.

Secondly, if the original specs for the necessary mold exist, maybe someone could have a new mold made (at what cost, who knows) so a glass company could make new Daytona Backlights.

We "thinks," maybe AMD may have the mold from the gentleman they got the glass from and may not know it. It could be lurking in their warehouse just waiting to be discovered.

To discover it, one would have to know exactly what to look for. We have no idea what it would look like so we wouldn't know what to look for if it was staring us in the face.

The gentleman that died that was making the Daytona replacement rear windows had a mold. Maybe it still exists and his heirs don't know what they have.

Last but not least: How much of market would there be for that particular window? We don't have an accurate enough idea to make a reasonable guess.

If we knew someone was going to make the windows, we'd be willing to order several. If enough folks in the community were willing to also do so, then a market would exist. albeit, for a short period, with enough windows dispersed throughout the original Daytona and clone community to make it feasible to reproduce them.

It would be a real gamble since there were only 503(?) Daytona's made and a number of which no longer exist due to accidents, theft, and rust-away.

Food for thought.

Best Always

426 Hemi Chicks

PS: Added same day shortly after original post.


To cut tempered glass the temper would have to be "removed" first, then make your mods and then place back in an appropriate mold and reheat. This would be more trouble than it would be worth and the end result would be "iffy."

Currently, we think the best bet is to buy the Lexan window made by Janak. If we are correct, his Lexan window fits the Daytona opening, so if a glass replacement becomes available, buy it, remove the Janak and install the glass.
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426HemiChick

Hi Folks,               02 September 2022

About 25 - 30 years ago, an ad appeared in the DSAC newsletter that someone planned to make 200 - 250 Daytona backlights if they could get firm orders for 200 of them. It required that they be prepaid at about $250.00 each, so we ordered one.

These were not exact as they were laminated rather than tempered and they didn't have the logos and other etchings found on exact copies. This was not divulged in the ad nor was it ever discussed during the ordering process.

One day while working (I used to do that you know) at my desk I heard the doorbell ring. I looked out the window and saw a female UPS driver hightailing it across my front lawn hell bent for leather. Went outside to see what that was all about. There was a large box sitting in the middle of the lawn. It was obvious it was something made of glass.

The box had two holes punched through the middle of it . . . . with shards of glass dangling out of the holes. The holes looked to have been made by a fork lift. The UPS driver was in her truck heading towards the main highway. Yes, it was the window we had ordered.

Called UPS and pitched a bitch about them delivering a package that was so obviously destroyed that the contents were also destroyed. They said it was their policy to deliver the package as is. They said they would order a replacement and eventually pick up the box of broken glass.

I also called the company that made the backlight and they said they would call UPS and take care of it. It was insured.

The net result: We ended up with two backlights. Took them into the garage where the cars were and placed them on the trunk of the Road Runner where they sat until sometime in mid 2020. Took them into the house and put them with all the other car parts we have.

They were sold in 2020. The point of this post is there has to be some of those backlights still out there. We don't think 200+ backlights needed to be replaced nor were there 200+ clones made that needed them.

Best Always

426 Hemi Chicks
Veteran - US Navy  Ex-Smoker (05 Mar 69) 55 years, heading for 100, 45 to go. Still lots to learn, lots to make up for. Weren't no angel. Fugitive from Southlake TX's Kangaroo Court