69 Charger 500 S.E. XX29L9B224394

[nascarxx29]

This car is was from my area NJ .And last I heard tale of it was on another board someone posted the vin and asked for any info.And sent what I had.I found I saved this on my computer from 02.Maybe 69 500 or someone knows this car and its outthere and ok

[69_500]

Dave,

the only things I have on that car are exactly what you had in those emails. Have you ever had any more contact with that gentleman since then?

[nascarxx29]

Nope nothing further .I know you follow the 500's alot more closer.Figured you have updated follow up info.Im sure the daytona hes refering to is that 6700 mile car

[nascarxx29]

What about this 69 500 Dan I found in a NJ junkyard in the 80-s .For $1000.00.I l gave the lead out guy got it took it home to Ohio and took parts like rear window and trim for a daytona clone. .And sold the car to Steve K in IL who was suppose to restore last time .I found his number back then and gave him a follow up call.And he was restoring but nothing current

[69_500]

I don't have any more information on that one either. I ran into Steve Klein this year, but the fact that he had a C500 totally slipped my memory when I was talking to him.

[nascarxx29]

No not S Klein who has hemi ragtops etc mopars .S Kiesel

[69_500]

Ah well then, not the same person I was thinking of. In that case I don't even think I have any contact information for the Kiesel gentleman. Maybe I'll run into him one of these days.

[charger500440]

Hello,

I was snooping around the net and ran into this thread and registered on the site right away. I am the owner of this Charger 500. Unfortunately I have not gained much more information since this thread took place several years ago. I have just been collecting parts for the car and have not even started the restoration. If any of you have any further info on my 500 I would be eternally grateful for it. Thanks, sorry it took me so long to find this site...

[Just 6T9 CHGR]

Hello,

I was snooping around the net and ran into this thread and registered on the site right away. I am the owner of this Charger 500. Unfortunately I have not gained much more information since this thread took place several years ago. I have just been collecting parts for the car and have not even started the restoration. If any of you have any further info on my 500 I would be eternally grateful for it. Thanks, sorry it took me so long to find this site...

Welcome to the site!
Post up some pics of her.

Id like to have your car in my registry as well.  please check it out at
www.1969chargerregistry.com

Chris

[tan top]

hello (Charger500440)    .....welcome !! would love to see some pictures sometime 

[charger500440]

Will do, probably some time this weekend I'll be able to. Thanks...

Mike

[moparstuart]

 

[nascarxx29]

That green 69 500 210749 that ended up in my friends private mopar junkyard.By the way of Bill Wiesman who found that car in Pleasantville NJ.He also had a R4 red Hemi 500.That went to the Don Garlits collection.The green car was used for parts.And Bill gave the mopar yard owner the leftover car.The owner of the yard .Bert is a deep mopar enthusisit/ drag racer who grabbed up these cars all over the area when he found them.And is where us locals went for parts.And to gawk at coded R V 6 pack etc cars sitting in the yard.Thats were those cars ear marked as Berts car dont touch .Bert worked at Cinnaminson dodge back in the day .Also the 157499 Y4 gold then Jim Bensons/ Buddy Arringtons 69 500 was at that yard getting ready for paint unassembled with tons of NOS parts the 500 was at one time wearing a vinyl top.Jim called changed him mind and said it all could go as is $3500.00.That one left first .I kept asking know and then for the green one for whole or parts.Though parts is really all I had interest in.And the car looked bad..But could get the whole car for a $1000.00.So later in my wingcar newsletter.I see wanted backwindow/ trim wanted to finish a daytona.Told Gary Mendelow in Ohio about this car.He gets it takes what he need from it .And takes the rest to the mopar nats .And I heard Steve Kiesel purchases it to restore.I gave Steve a call.Who I talked to at the 92-94 Indy nats and saved his phone number..And give him the phone number to the yard it was in and all known details on this car origins.And would like to see current follow up pictures. To see how its coming along.I made photo enlargements of this car. And to this day its in the mopar yards office.And they are glad the car is getting a second chance at life

[BigBlockSam]

 

[tan top]

intresting story  ........

[nascarxx29]

I can remember Paul K Tom M from N NJ having R4 red charger 500s and a some in N.Y .And when I read the Hector Almonte 224394 Inquiry of Mikes on another board sometime back.I knew a friend who knew Hector Almonte.Way before this I had this lead heard Hector had a daytona.But it never panned out.Had a similar lead from a person stationed on NJ military base saw a R4 red daytona.Later it turned out to be Propane X former R4 red Hemi 500.So these are some of the NJ 500's I am aquainted with.And the daytona with 6700 mile he mentioned I believe is the vinyl top blue daytona.Mike made contact in 4 7 02 4 8 02.looking forward to see what progress has been made

[69_500]

Will do, probably some time this weekend I'll be able to. Thanks...

Mike

Welcome to the site Mike. I think you would already probably know much we would all love to see more pictures of the car. I know for one that I would love to see some more of it.

Skipping ahead a few post, Dave, I'm having a really hard time making heads or tails of your two post in this thread. I seem to have lost my decoder ring today. Can't connect the dots from one statement to the next. It could be just me today though, rough day, and too stuffed on food to think.

[nascarxx29]

Those are the 2 cars mentioned in that older thread .The green car remains at the same stand point at this time .Nothing new there to update .Unless the life story .I recalled finds its way to its owner by reading or someone who knows notifys owner.And or by some coincedence as Mike did with the second charger 500 which is Red. Of the 2 cars I Am involved with stumbled on to this site and reads it .Mike who last contact was 4/ 07/ 02/  4/ 08/ 02 ..At that time I gave him all relative info and contacts..And nothing on my end has changed on the R4 cars life info.I await to see what he has to say and what developed with the car 6 years later

[69_500]

Read the two post again today, and things make more sense. Last night I think I had a bit of a bout with turkey brain, and overeating.

[charger500440]

Hello again. Have a little time now to update you on my car. Unfortunately I do not have as much to report as I would like but here goes. Way back in '02 (shortly after I bought the car in 12/01) is when this thread originated. nascarxx29 lead me to Paul K who was extremely friendly and helpful. Thank you both. He was able to get me in touch with Hector A. He was the owner responsible for buying up the car in the mid-80's and bringing it to the east coast. He is also responsible for much of the tear down and work done to the car. He was enjoyable to speak with but is extremely elusive. I've never been able to get back in touch with him. The car is basically a rolling shell. So all I have are the dash, vin plate, number stamp on the support and trunk lip (all match). No tag or b-cast sheet. Everything else is removed except the susp and broken w'shield.
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The good news is the body is excellent. NOS rocker and rt side QP (according to Hector), solid floors and rails, good doors, NOS fenders. No major rot anywhere. Trunk floor is a little soft from rust in spots. Hector was in the process of moving and said all his stuff was in boxes. He did not think he had any parts or info left on this car but wasn't sure. He has my info but I doubt I will ever be able to get a hold of him again. This is what I know about the car.

1- Hector bought it out of Hemming's Motor News in the mid-80's. Car was in Montana (or thereabouts).
2- He told me the car was a west coast built and sold car. Presumed it was sold in Washington state when new.
3- It's R4, black interior, 440, auto, console, white stripe, dog dish caps, disk brakes. 8 3/4 rear.
4- He started restoring the car with the intention of putting a six-pack, 4-spd, and dana in it. I have the six-pack and sold off the few 4-spd parts. No dana.
5- One of my ultimate frustrations, he remembers removing the fender tag during the tear down. The engine compartment and support were painted not too long before he sold the car. It's out there somewhere.
6- A Daytona/Superbird friend of mine here in CT checked my VIN with the winged/aero registry. Mine is not on there but a R4, black stripe 500 two serial numbers up from mine was sold new in California and a R4, white stripe 500 one serial number down from mine was sold in CA or OR originally. So I am confident the car is what I think it is.
7- 224396 is on the 69 Charger registry (black vinyl top).

I would love to get further documentation on the car but either way it will be restored. Galen suggested I part the car out due to it's lack of documentation. So unless he somehow physically gets his hands on something of value to me I would not give him the time of day. Much less any of my money.

As far as the car goes, buying a house, working on said house, building a new garage to put the 500 and my SE in, and other distractions have kept me from working on the car. However I have been collecting parts. I believe I have every 500/Daytona specific part I need except the grille mounting parts. Haven't gotten that far yet. I did pass on an original C500 header panel for $1500.00. Too much $ at the time. I will post pics real soon. Thanks for the interest in my little story...

Mike

[69_500]

Okay I can fill in a few cars that are close to yours in VIN's anyways.

224393 is my car. R4 red, white interior, white tail stripe. 440 AT car. Sold new in North Dakotoa, later owner moved to AZ, then sold back to his buddy in Montana. All of this happened before 1974. I bought the car off of the 3rd owner in 2004.

224396 was my dad's car when I was little. R4 red, black interior, black tail stripe. HEMI car with a dealer installed vinyl top (not factory). Car was converted to a 4 speed in the mid 70's but was a factory AT on the column car.

224389 is the closest car that I know of that is before mine, and it is F5 green, AT, with A/C. Car had a Daytona front clip and wing on it recently, and was a car i was interested in, but couldn't come up with the money.

As far as your car 224394 I have it down as being built on November 28th, 1968. And that it is a known car that was R4 red.

Would love to know about car 224392 though. That would make 3 cars in a row that were R4 red.

[charger500440]

69_500 how cool is that? At some point our cars were nose to tail. Go figure. Thank you for the info and it also amazes me you and your father had cars this close together. What are the odds of that? I had the states messed up but I knew the cars were all out west. Good thing in my case because there really is little to no rust on it and it was neglected over the years.

The guy I got the car from was a little vague and acted oddly when I purchased the car. It had been for sale on Moparts for a few weeks when my boss at the time found the add. So I was nervous that the car was not genuine. The condition of the VIN and the rear window plug gave me the impression the car was real. They appear to have never been played around with. So I purchased the car. Thanks again, at some point we should reunite our cars...

Mike

[charger500440]

I guess I will have to bake a cake. Today is my cars birthday, born 40 years ago today. Fascinating. Thanks...

Mike

[69_500]

Well I was trying to purchase one of my dad's other cars when I bought the 500 that I have now. I was trying to work a deal for the Q5 500 that my dad had when I was a kid, but that deal fell through, and 3 days later I came accross the 500 that I have now.

Oddly enough though my car was built on November 20th though, or at least scheduled to be built then.
I would say they could be reunited at Talladega in 2009 but from the sounds of it, your car won't be there then. would love to see it though. The people on this board know me well enough to know that I'd like to see all of the 500's that were built. Been working towards it for a while now, I think I've probably seen around 130-135 of them in the last 15 years.

[nascarxx29]

Not a bad update there Mike .I still can get in touch with Paul.If it was possible to retrieve the 80 Hemmings ad would that help in anyway.

[moparstuart]

mikes car is very similar to the condition , color R4 and options of my 500



http://www.dodgecharger.com/forum/index.php/topic,49791.0.html

[xs29j8Bullitt]

Hello,

I was snooping around the net and ran into this thread and registered on the site right away. I am the owner of this Charger 500. Unfortunately I have not gained much more information since this thread took place several years ago. I have just been collecting parts for the car and have not even started the restoration. If any of you have any further info on my 500 I would be eternally grateful for it. Thanks, sorry it took me so long to find this site...

Welcome to the forum Mike! 

Looking forward to seeing pictures of your C500 when you get a chance to post them.

The Aero Car forum has been picking up a lot of new members lately who own an aero car, especially Charger 500s!

Allen

[charger500440]

I thought about looking for the Hemming's ad but wasn't sure how I could go about it. I know there are guys who save them all but I don't know any personally. Any and all info is welcome. I would love to meet some of you guys, Paul included. Maybe next summer when the shows start up again. As for Talladega, I might go in '09 but I won't have my 500 there I can guarantee that. Alas, here's some pics of the car. These are lousy but I actually do not have that many of the car as of yet...

Mike

[charger500440]

Couple more...

[charger500440]

One more, and one of my SE for good measure...

[tan top]

    .....  ..nice  !!  thanks Mike for posting 

[nascarxx29]

I will fill Paul in on this post featuring your 500 .My friend has my extensive hemmings collection in his basement

[69_500]

If you know what year it was in Hemmings I might be able to find the add. I know that I have a ton of them from about 1986-1990. After that I have them pretty scarcely but not in an entire set. I never did subscribe to it but bought them pretty regularly. And then bought a group of them a few years back to fill in some missing gaps.

[charger500440]

Thank you guys. I don't know exactly when he got the car but I would guess it was between 1983 and 1986. Leaning more towards '85 or '86 as I remember it. I may still have my notes from my phone conversation with Hector but they are packed away. I moved a few years ago and I think they're still in a box in storage. I know Hector has a lot of respect for Paul, he called me right away after Paul spoke to him. I'm curious if they still are in touch...

Mike

[nascarxx29]

I emailed Paul this discussion on your 500

[hemi68charger]

Hello,

I was snooping around the net and ran into this thread and registered on the site right away. I am the owner of this Charger 500. Unfortunately I have not gained much more information since this thread took place several years ago. I have just been collecting parts for the car and have not even started the restoration. If any of you have any further info on my 500 I would be eternally grateful for it. Thanks, sorry it took me so long to find this site...

Welcome and good luck on the resto... You have some nice Chargers there......... 

Troy

[Highbanked Hauler]

 Anybody know of a B-5 blue  500 with a blue interior as I am still looking for my build sheet?

[moparstuart]

Anybody know of a B-5 blue  500 with a blue interior as I am still looking for my build sheet?

or an R4 red 500 with black interior I need mine also

[69_500]

Al still no luck on your broadcast sheet. Although I think that I have sheets to 3 B5 blue, with blue interior cars, but none of them are yours.

And Stuart sorry no luck on your car either. I do have some R4 red cars with black interior, but not the sheet that goes to yours either.

[Moparmatty]

Still looking for my B5/B5 Daytona sheet.

[69_500]

Hey matty, weren't you guys thinking of selling that Daytona not too long ago? I take it you guys changed your minds?

[C500]

Anybody know of a B-5 blue  500 with a blue interior as I am still looking for my build sheet?

B5 blue with blue interior...WOW!! I would love to see some pictures of that. 

[Moparmatty]

Hey matty, weren't you guys thinking of selling that Daytona not too long ago? I take it you guys changed your minds?

We never changed our minds.  We just never made a decision.

[500Jon]

Hi 500Clan.

I am an overseas 500 owner with a similar anomaly with the 500 register?

I beleive my F8 4-speed Dana car is the last 440 manual 500 built on December (C)19th.

Here lies the link, my 248662 vin does not appear on the register?

I have also had dealings with our illustrious leader Galen.

He holds rusty/wrecked/stripped cars in a dim light and told me my 500 was irrepairable.

I have worked in the motor trade for many years and was suprised to hear these comments?

The front end of my 500 is totally rust free, and only requires a passenger quarter and trunk floors!

I also own a 71Gtx, the only one in England that I saved from the scrappers, and I can assure everyone, that is a very rusty ex-canadian car!!!
But its very far from being bean cans or a Japanese shoebox car!!!
Everything is saveable methinks???

On a different note, back in 1989 I spoke to Galen's secretary from England with regards to purchasing a Daytona from him, which was one of three he had for sale at the time. Once he realised that I was a foreigner, he refused to either speak to me or sell me a Mopar of any sort.
I was very upset at the time, but since buying my dream car a C500 in 2004, the wounds have healed.

Best wishes to all aero warriors from England, 500Jon.

[moparstuart]

have any pictures jon ?  great to here you are saving it . Sad that he would tell you it was not worth saving   

[jga262]

Don't think this is the same car. The fender tag is intact on my car and according to the tag and build sheet it was always a 4spd D-60 car. I have owned this car since 11-25-02.
Thanks for your help.
LS

[charger500440]

500Jon, you tell a very similar tale to mine, as told at the beginning of this thread. I don't really care what Galen had to say, many ill-informed people have told me I'm crazy. I get where they are coming from. Doing something difficult and something many people could not do leads to this type of ignorance. What burns me is that he is put on a pedestal as having all this great knowledge when in fact the opposite is true. That's the real crime. He is the "expert" on wing and aero cars, yet I know the guy who he goes to when he does not know the answer to something "aero" related. It is laughable really. If it were left to him, many rare cars would be lost forever. It's really too bad, because the service he provides does have great value, if applied in a respectful and ethical manner...

Mike

[moparstuart]

Don't think this is the same car. The fender tag is intact on my car and according to the tag and build sheet it was always a 4spd D-60 car. I have owned this car since 11-25-02.
Thanks for your help.
LS

so you own a 500 also ?  pictures  ?

[tan top]

have any pictures jon ?  great to here you are saving it . Sad that he would tell you it was not worth saving   

    thats crazy Galen , saying something like that  .... Hi Jon    sure would like to see some pictures some time Dude  ...... ..

[Ghoste]

Must not have paid him enough for his advice.

[moparstuart]

Must not have paid him enough for his advice.

[Just 6T9 CHGR]

500Jon, you tell a very similar tale to mine, as told at the beginning of this thread. I don't really care what Galen had to say, many ill-informed people have told me I'm crazy. I get where they are coming from. Doing something difficult and something many people could not do leads to this type of ignorance. What burns me is that he is put on a pedestal as having all this great knowledge when in fact the opposite is true. That's the real crime. He is the "expert" on wing and aero cars, yet I know the guy who he goes to when he does not know the answer to something "aero" related. It is laughable really. If it were left to him, many rare cars would be lost forever. It's really too bad, because the service he provides does have great value, if applied in a respectful and ethical manner...

Mike

Mike thanks for registering both your cars.  I noticed on your 69 SE car you have hood pins.  Did you add them or were they on the car when you got it?  Curious to see where the pins are located under the hood.

[69_500]

Jon, glad to see you posting on the board now. How is your 500 coming along now? Aren't there a few 500's over there in England? I was thinking that there was 3 or maybe even 4 that were in England.

As far as the last 440 powered car that I'm not 100% positive on. Yours is the last 440 powered car VIN wise that I have full fender tag information on. However I have some information on 2 other 440 cars that come later. 248665 and 248666.

Mike what car do you have? As far as Galen's numbers they are what they are. Just like the numbers I have collected, or the ones that chris has registered. Just a record of what is known to exists. None of the list are complete, nor do I think that any of them ever will be. As of now I'm up to information on 256 of the Charger 500's. I'm still holding out hope of finding all of them, but I highly doubt it. Once can dream right?

[PocketThunder]

As of now I'm up to information on 256 of the Charger 500's. I'm still holding out hope of finding all of them, but I highly doubt it. Once can dream right?

256/392= 65%  thats getting to be a pretty good survival rate dont you think?  I'll try and work on getting the vin numbers of the 3 in my area next summer at car shows. 

[69_500]

Oh they didn't all survive. There is at least 5-10 on that list that are known to have been crushed. And then there are another few that I know that the only things left are in an envelope.

[charger500440]

As for my SE car, I added the hood pins a long time ago. Regret it now as they aren't original. The base of the pin mounts to the upper tie bar on the support.
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As for Galen, I never even got to the point of trying to hire him. I finally deleted his e-mail, you guys would fume over it if I still had it. He totally discounted the car and didn't even inquire more about it. Look how much interest you guys have shown it. And he is supposed to be the expert? Coincidentally, I e-mailed him just a few weeks prior to the e-mail that appears at the beginning of this thread. Again, I'm fine with the fact that he may not be able to help me but his advice was to part the car out. Not "worth" saving it. I guess if I can't sell it at Barrett-Jackson with his signature of approval, it might as well be a paperweight.
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Nearly 65% of the 500's can be traced, that is really cool. I knew of one other 500 here in CT that was off the beaten path. It was a survivor, all complete, in the Hartford area. The owner bought some parts off of a friend of mine for another project and he was willing to sell it. It was a gold car, black interior, black stripe and a hemi no less. I know it did finally change hands but I don't know where it ended up or anything else about it. It was a thing of beauty though. That was back around 90 or 91...
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Same friend of mine knows a guy in New York who is supposed to have several 500's. Not sure who he is, he may even be on this board...

Mike

[nascarxx29]

In NY XXHEMI on this board.Ed has had a few 69 500s Hemis and 440 .And his friend Greg I know has had some also.And there was 2 500s sitting in NY state .I seen that have been mentioned on here gold and silver .But forgot who posted at the moment.But just found that post by EMF .That mentionds the same Ed as above
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The parts car is gold with a white painted top. It was purchased out of an upstate N.Y. junkyard about 15 + years ago, about the same time the silver one was purchased. The junkyard owner stated that the car had Conn. plates on it and that the owner blew up the engine on I 84 and it was towed to the junkyard in the late 70s where it rested until I purchased it. I know of a person named ED in this area. He has a few really nice mopars. He knows about the cars and so do a few others in the area. I believe someone already has the Vin. #s on file.

[500Jon]

Hi Clan500!

Back in the mid 80's I was lucky enough to purchase the only 69 Sixpack Superbee in the UK, but never bonded with the car because it was a bench seat column change car in Butterscotch. After storing the car for many years I sold it to a Moparnut friend of mine for the grand sum of £2500. I then went on the hunt for a suitable replacement, a 69 SP RR!!! But they are an elusive beast as you well know, and never got one?
After owning a stream of wonderful Street Mopars, myself and a good friend decided it was time to hit the 1320 with a Dart.
As if by magic, a 68 Koffel motored Dart was up for grabs. It was at the time the fastest street Mopar in Europe.
It was called COOKY'S Dart and ran 8.3 at 182mph and could be used as a grocery getter!!!

But the money ran out as these things do and she was sold. My friend Jim was unhappy not having a Street stomper, so he deciced to purchase a 470ci Mopar engine from Tom Nelson in Sunny LA! The motor was built for the 2003 Engine Masters competition, and was now destined to go in his 70 Burnt Orange, show stopping GTX. Well, we talked him out of this eventually, as the GTX is the most original UK Mopar and wins many trophies.

I diverge, in the neighbourhood to Tom's in LA was a mopar resto guy with no less than TWO C500's.
Well you can guess the rest, me and a English friend purchased them both and brought them to the UK.
My search has now ended, I have my 4-speed Dana car I always wanted, and an AERO car as well.
All my Christmases had come at once!!!

As far as we are aware these are the only C500's in the UK at present. There was a white Hemi 500, rumoured to be owned by the famous Hemi collector, Carlos Monteverdi of Ferrari fame! Where this car is now, we do not know???

There has been many wing cars here in the UK but never any 500's and I feel very priviledged to own such a rare piece of Mopar history!!!

Thanks for your replies, 500Jon.

PS. On a different note, there was once here in the county of Kent England, a specialist performance engine shop called WESLAKE!!!
They were employed on many occasions by none other than Chrysler for development work on Bigblock engines for racing?
There are several mentions of ther work in some Mopar publications, one being the new performance cylinder head for the 70up 440 Mopars.
But as we all know the fuel crisis put paid to this development head, the big block "W2" of which only two pairs were cast.
I still have the complete Dyno engine from Weslake's with the Oval port "W2" 440 style heads still bolted on.
They were rumoured at the time, (mid 80's) to be a Nascar replacement head, but there is no literature to back this up?

Best wishes to you all, Jon.

[69_500]

If I'm not mistaken that Carl still owns a white hemi 500 over there in England. I believe there was some photo's of a larger Mopar show over there and the HEMI Daytona (black 4 speed) and the white HEMI 500 were both present.

[moparstuart]

Hi Clan500!

Back in the mid 80's I was lucky enough to purchase the only 69 Sixpack Superbee in the UK, but never bonded with the car because it was a bench seat column change car in Butterscotch. After storing the car for many years I sold it to a Moparnut friend of mine for the grand sum of £2500. I then went on the hunt for a suitable replacement, a 69 SP RR!!! But they are an elusive beast as you well know, and never got one?
After owning a stream of wonderful Street Mopars, myself and a good friend decided it was time to hit the 1320 with a Dart.
As if by magic, a 68 Koffel motored Dart was up for grabs. It was at the time the fastest street Mopar in Europe.
It was called COOKY'S Dart and ran 8.3 at 182mph and could be used as a grocery getter!!!

But the money ran out as these things do and she was sold. My friend Jim was unhappy not having a Street stomper, so he deciced to purchase a 470ci Mopar engine from Tom Nelson in Sunny LA! The motor was built for the 2003 Engine Masters competition, and was now destined to go in his 70 Burnt Orange, show stopping GTX. Well, we talked him out of this eventually, as the GTX is the most original UK Mopar and wins many trophies.

I diverge, in the neighbourhood to Tom's in LA was a mopar resto guy with no less than TWO C500's.
Well you can guess the rest, me and a English friend purchased them both and brought them to the UK.
My search has now ended, I have my 4-speed Dana car I always wanted, and an AERO car as well.
All my Christmases had come at once!!!

As far as we are aware these are the only C500's in the UK at present. There was a white Hemi 500, rumoured to be owned by the famous Hemi collector, Carlos Monteverdi of Ferrari fame! Where this car is now, we do not know???

There has been many wing cars here in the UK but never any 500's and I feel very priviledged to own such a rare piece of Mopar history!!!

Thanks for your replies, 500Jon.

PS. On a different note, there was once here in the county of Kent England, a specialist performance engine shop called WESLAKE!!!
They were employed on many occasions by none other than Chrysler for development work on Bigblock engines for racing?
There are several mentions of ther work in some Mopar publications, one being the new performance cylinder head for the 70up 440 Mopars.
But as we all know the fuel crisis put paid to this development head, the big block "W2" of which only two pairs were cast.
I still have the complete Dyno engine from Weslake's with the Oval port "W2" 440 style heads still bolted on.
They were rumoured at the time, (mid 80's) to be a Nascar replacement head, but there is no literature to back this up?

Best wishes to you all, Jon.

any chance for pictures of your car jon ? or his 500 ?   

[69_500]

I know I have one picture of Jon's car, and I believe that his friends name is paul? Am I right? I think I have some pics of both of their 500's.

[nascarxx29]

Jon have you see this 691/2 car over there
http://www.classiccarsforsale.co.uk/classic-car-page.php/carno/41566

[500Jon]

Hi Clan500,

My 500 is partially stripped and in storage at the moment, as soon as I can, I will take some pictures for the DC site!

Yes there are two 691/2 Sb's in the UK, my old Butterscotch one and the red one that is up for sale at the moment.
I have only ever seen them both together once myself, but they do both live in the South of England.

No comments on the Weslake story?
The late great Dick Landy, wanted my "W2 Headed" 440 motor, to go with his Ballstud Hemi, for his LA Collection, but I did not to sell to him!
I have met his son Robert on many occasions, and was sorry to see him lose his historic father.
I understand that the famous Landy shop will be taken over by a fellow Hemi enthusiast to hopefully carry on his great name again???

I have bought a date coded Hemi to put in my 500, but fellow UK MMA members have frowned upon me putting the Elephant motor into a 440 car?
Whats your thoughts on this matter???

Best wishes 500Jon.

[69_500]

My personal thoughts of using a date coded HEMI in the 500 would be great. I know that my dream 500 is a non numbers matching car that I would love to drop a HEMI in, and just enjoy. A plus to yours is that it is a 4 speed car, which to me would be the best ones to drop the HEMI into. I don't recall if your car was numbers matching or not, but either way its not that huge of a deal to do the swap. Used to require a lot more work than it does now.

[500Jon]

Hi Clan500,

I did get the original block with the car! The trans is from a 69 gtx I believe?

The car was used for drag racing duties I believe? The block had suffered some internal damage, possibly a broken rod and one damaged bore.

The motor was then discarded to the backyard for many years of weathering!!!

I had to force the rods and pistons out with twenty ton press, and too my disbelief all the good bores cleaned up woth a 60 overbore.
I fitted one liner to the damaged bore and in the next few weeks I will be assembling the short motor!

The 69 "Car Life" Road Test on the two C500's, and clearly states "the crown comes back"! The fastest road cars ever tested!!!
Chrysler supplied an auto, and a manual Hemi 500 which ran the best 1/4 mile time of 13.68.
It has always been my dream to recreate this fantastic 'out of the box' stockcar time and maybe improve on it with better tyres???

Best wishes to you all and have a wonderful Christmas, Jon.

[69_500]

Both of the cars that Car and Driver test drove on that day are still around as well. The HEMI 4 speed car is still unrestored, and shows up from now and then at various shows. The AT they used, well it has been parked for a long long time, but hopefully one day will be back at a show. I would love to see those two cars together at a show.

Personally if I was in your situation I think I'd still drop the HEMI in it, and enjoy the heck out of it.

[tan top]

drop the HEMI in  ..... its only a bolt in swap after all ..not as it you tubbing it .

[69_500]

Update. The block for this car has been located, and hopefully gets reunited with the car. Engine is in New York. So not too far from the car.

[charger500440]

Update, this past weekend I was able to purchase the original 440 block for my Charger 500. A huge thank you to John in New York for reaching out to me and also to 69_500 for his role in making it all happen.

The engine had been purchased out of a junk yard over 20 years ago and the block has been sitting in a storage unit for years. And to think I've driven through that area of NY several times over the years, goes to show you never know what's out there. The engine was probably with the car up until the mid to late 90's. No idea how it got separated but they're back together again.

I've read a lot of posts on this forum about how the site is not as active as it used to be, just not as much going on as in years past. And unfortunately that is true. Things are changing and that isn't always a good thing. That said, the Charger forum certainly helped reunite my 500 with its original engine and for that I'm very grateful.

Again, big thank you John and 69_500 !!!

[tan top]

Update, this past weekend I was able to purchase the original 440 block for my Charger 500. A huge thank you to John in New York for reaching out to me and also to 69_500 for his role in making it all happen.

The engine had been purchased out of a junk yard over 20 years ago and the block has been sitting in a storage unit for years. And to think I've driven through that area of NY several times over the years, goes to show you never know what's out there. The engine was probably with the car up until the mid to late 90's. No idea how it got separated but they're back together again.

I've read a lot of posts on this forum about how the site is not as active as it used to be, just not as much going on as in years past. And unfortunately that is true. Things are changing and that isn't always a good thing. That said, the Charger forum certainly helped reunite my 500 with its original engine and for that I'm very grateful.

Again, big thank you John and 69_500 !!!

   
wow ! thats awesome to hear !!  think every charger owner  with their original engine MIA dreams of
 finding it & getting  back 
  congratulations  great stuff  to all involved
     

[Sgt Superbird]

That's fantastic news!

[C500]

Always nice to hear of a successful re-uniting!!

[Michele]

   Great news for you and cheers to you  
Still looking for a project .Mayby some day
Alain platinum 442 4spd factoryA/C