WOW! a real superbird project for sale

[BigBlockSam]

i am so broke rite now or i would luv to buy this one

http://cgi.ebay.com/Plymouth-Road-Runner-1970-Plymouth-Roadrunner-Superbird-440-6-pack_W0QQitemZ140184736244QQihZ004QQcategoryZ43921QQssPageNameZWDVWQQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem

[hotrod98]

I would give 35k right now for that car. Wonder what it will go for? Any guesses? I say 65k.

[bzabodyn]

I think it'll definitely go north of $50k - wonder what the seller's reserve is? I'm just sceptical with no engine bay pics... car looks like an easy enough project though...

BZ

[69_500]

Not a bad looking car. Where is Doug C to chime in. How far way from that Bird do ya live doug? Why don't ya just swing over in one of your Birds, and check it out for the rest of us.   

[nascarxx29]

I found this picture on my computer same car? White underhood

[Beep Beep Dave]

Wow pretty good car for someone! Dave is there a Wingcar that you don't know about???
I'll say $62,500 buys it.

Dave

[nascarxx29]

Hi Dave these cars just seem find and follow me.
http://board.moparts.org/ubbthreads/showflat.php?Cat=0&Number=3987837&an=0&page=0#Post3987837

[BigBlockSam]

engine compartment

[justin1987]

I say it goes for $59,000. 

[69bronzeT5]

I'm saying $72,000

[Magnumcharger]

I'm sure the owner is a nice guy...but it really kills me to read anything with that many spelling errors!!

[pettybird]

Not a bad looking car. Where is Doug C to chime in. How far way from that Bird do ya live doug? Why don't ya just swing over in one of your Birds, and check it out for the rest of us.   

Stupid Ebay won't let me see it--"Invalid item try again later" for the past 45 mins.

Where is the car (city?)

[pettybird]

OK Hamilton is N of Cincy--Admin Troy's turf...


"I got this car from my dad when he pasted away."

Poor guy was so busy gluing that he didn't even notice...

(My dad died when I was 13 for those of you who were about to tear into me about death.)


TOTALLY AWESOME mural on the inner sides of the wing!  Too bad he doesn't have any more pics/recollection of when it was white--it must have been quite a paint job.  The car's very untouched, and the bottom looks like my 'birds, but the outer sheetmetal doesn't look good at all.  I wish it ran/looked more presentable--I could use it as a rough value guide!

[Troy]

Whoa! I didn't notice the location. You're right, it's almost in my back yard.

Troy

[terrible one]

OK Hamilton is N of Cincy--Admin Troy's turf...




TOTALLY AWESOME mural on the inner sides of the wing!  Too bad he doesn't have any more pics/recollection of when it was white--it must have been quite a paint job.  The car's very untouched, and the bottom looks like my 'birds, but the outer sheetmetal doesn't look good at all.  I wish it ran/looked more presentable--I could use it as a rough value guide!

My thoughts exactly! Haha it looks like they painted the rest and left the wing. I love the wild 70's paint jobs. It was probably cool as hell. . .

[moparstuart]

I say it goes for 75k  or it should

[pettybird]

I'll say lower this time--I got burned on the uberproject last week.  $60k.

[Rolling_Thunder]

I dont know guys - the market is down right now and all...     440 car...       i say $52,000

[learical1]

What do we win if we guess correctly? 

[moparstuart]

I dont know guys - the market is down right now and all...     440 car...       i say $52,000

read the auction it's   440 + 6   

[69_500]

I'm going to guess $67,571. Just a nice round number. 


Yeah but sending Troy over to look at a superbird is like asking me to check out a 68 Charger. I mean yeah I know what it is, but okay I'll shut up now. 


Heck if its around the Cincinatti area, that is only 2 hours from me. Hmmmmmm, nothing planed for Sunday as of yet.

[moparstuart]

I'm going to guess $67,571. Just a nice round number. 


Yeah but sending Troy over to look at a superbird is like asking me to check out a 68 Charger. I mean yeah I know what it is, but okay I'll shut up now. 


Heck if its around the Cincinatti area, that is only 2 hours from me. Hmmmmmm, nothing planed for Sunday as of yet.

get in the car and go   hurry man

[hemigeno]

I dont know guys - the market is down right now and all...     440 car...       i say $52,000

read the auction it's   440 + 6   

& its a 4-speed...

Bob (or should I say "Drew" now), I'll bid $67,572...   

[69bronzeT5]

I found this picture on my computer same car? White underhood

Yep, same car

[69_500]

Ah isn't that just how it goes too.  You do your research and bid and someone come along and bids $1 more. Okay so who is going to be the one who bids $1 


Never was much of a fan of the prices right. The prices never seemed to add up to what things sold for here in Indiana.

[69bronzeT5]

One dollar Bob!

[Ghoste]

Well if it's a guessing game we're playing, I'm going with $58, 675.

[Troy]

Yeah but sending Troy over to look at a superbird is like asking me to check out a 68 Charger. I mean yeah I know what it is, but okay I'll shut up now. 

Thanks for the vote of confidence...

Troy

[rav440]

I dont know guys - the market is down right now and all...     440 car...       i say $52,000

read the auction it's   440 + 6   

read the auction " no 6 pak " " waranty block "

[Ghoste]

But it is an original V code 6 Barrel car and that warranty block will allow you to stamp any number you need on there. 

[rav440]

But it is an original V code 6 Barrel car and that warranty block will allow you to stamp any number you need on there. 

thats cheesey . doesnt a WARRANTY block have a "W" or something stamped on it ? plus getting the right stamping dies to make it look legit , and im guessing the date code on the block would be a dead give away that its not the original block and the #s have been tampered with .

regaurdless its not the original block .

[Hemi_tyme]

But it is an original V code 6 Barrel car and that warranty block will allow you to stamp any number you need on there. 

thats cheesey . doesnt a WARRANTY block have a "W" or something stamped on it ? plus getting the right stamping dies to make it look legit , and im guessing the date code on the block would be a dead give away that its not the original block and the #s have been tampered with .

regaurdless its not the original block .

WARRANT block will have a "S" stamped on the pad
Ken

[rav440]

But it is an original V code 6 Barrel car and that warranty block will allow you to stamp any number you need on there. 

thats cheesey . doesnt a WARRANTY block have a "W" or something stamped on it ? plus getting the right stamping dies to make it look legit , and im guessing the date code on the block would be a dead give away that its not the original block and the #s have been tampered with .

regaurdless its not the original block .

WARRANT block will have a "S" stamped on the pad
Ken

i thougth there was something stamped on it . werent they supposed to REstamp the #s onto the the warranty block ?

[nascarxx29]

The original block would show F =1970 HP or maybe HP2.The casting date on the passenger side will also give you a clue what year block.And the serial number pad on passenger side bottom .Would be the info to asking the ebay seller on this auction
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[Hemi_tyme]

Rav the "S" is stamped on the top pad along with 440,the vin pad was left blank. I will take a picture of warranty block for a superbird i have at the shop
Ken

[Redbird]

It seems as if he's told folks that it's not the original block. What more can he do. Having not owned a collector car in the 25 years that didn't come from the southwest, what would concern me more is the rust. If the bottom of the cone is rusted out, I'd question the headlight buckets. He says under the jack in the trunk it's rusted out. The floors from the bottom suggest some work may need to be done. Quarters need work. That said-it's a lot more complete than some of the piles that have been listed.

The November Sports Car Market magazine had a yellow 440-6, VOA172656, auto, restored 2+, claimed original paint, 21,705 mile car sell at the Monterey CA auction for $ $ 93,500. That should give someone starting a big restoration pause.

[Ghoste]

And remember, it's still a real six barrel car, the ability to "recreate" it as matching numbers is icing on the cake.  Yes, I know it's fraud, but to many B-J style get rich quick flippers, it's just an inconvenience.

[pettybird]

My Daytona has a "W" on the top pad, and no numbers on the rail. 
71 warranty short block, and a non=HP unit, to boot. 

[pettybird]

Yeah but sending Troy over to look at a superbird is like asking me to check out a 68 Charger. I mean yeah I know what it is, but okay I'll shut up now. 

Thanks for the vote of confidence...

Troy

I looked at that kinda funny, too---

[moparchris]

Yes, a warranty block has a blank pad on its side.  So what.  If nothing else your personal integrity should stop you from "restamping" the block.  I guess some people can put a price on that.

[Ghoste]

I agree but I've seen so many fake cars I've just become cynical enough to believe that it's extremely likely this car will turn up for sale in a year or so as a numbers matching 'bird.  The money that seems to be able to be made in this "hobby" anymore has adjusted a lot of folks personal integrity levels I guess.

[moparchris]

I understand where you are coming from.  But I hope that doesn't happen.  I think this is one of the reasons I'm losing alot of interest in the cars.  I have been working on these Mopars since 1978 and it's gotten to the point for me at least that I really don't want to take a car anywhere.  Eveyone nitpicks a car because most of the people seem to be a car jockey, and not true car people who slave away trying to make there cars nice or at least how they like them.  Eveything "has" to be correct (whatever that truely means) and if your car isn't like theirs it just a pile of crap. 
Sorry, I just had to vent for moment.  We return to our normal programming

[Aero426]

The November Sports Car Market magazine had a yellow 440-6, VOA172656, auto, restored 2+, claimed original paint, 21,705 mile car sell at the Monterey CA auction for $ $ 93,500. That should give someone starting a big restoration pause.

Highly possible that car didn't sell.  I asked some questions about that car to someone who was there.   I believe it was at Russo & Steele.    In the past R & S has provided seller friendly buy backs.   Why the car didn't bring bids is another question.    I don't think the market is that bad myself.    Heard of a decent U code car changing hands between $110k and $115k right now.

[bebeep1969]

First, it was ### matching car.  Then disclosed that it appears to be a warranty block.  I noticed that this car does not have a dana in it.  All 4 speed birds came with a dana.  It appears to have an 8 3/4 in the rear.  Looks like another flaw in the description of this car.  What is next?  I personally would stay clear of it...

[nascarxx29]

Was looking at the ebay pictures trying to see if it had a dana,And noticed the trailer hitch.And searched through computer saved pictures and found a blue bird with a trailer hitch


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[bebeep1969]

reserve met at 45 k...

[69_500]

Well even though I"m not a Superbird kind of man, I'd still consider the car if it leveled off around the aformentioned mid $50K range. I mean its not that bad.

I was only teasing with the comment that was directed towards Troy. Speaking of that Troy, since you are so close why don't you just go ahead and pick it up and put it with your Chargers. They could swap stories, and chit chat. Then you could restore it first and drive it around to shows and pass out Dodge Charger.com stickers from it.  Okay I'll stop now.

[Old Moparz]

Well even though I"m not a Superbird kind of man, I'd still consider the car if it leveled off around the aformentioned mid $50K range. I mean its not that bad.

I was only teasing with the comment that was directed towards Troy. Speaking of that Troy, since you are so close why don't you just go ahead and pick it up and put it with your Chargers. They could swap stories, and chit chat. Then you could restore it first and drive it around to shows and pass out Dodge Charger.com stickers from it.  Okay I'll stop now.

While he's doing that, he could also put a small flag on the wing with the Cuda-Challenger logo on it.   

[gtx6970]

Just goes to show you. cars come out of the woodwork. This is a new one to me as well

AND If someones serious, I'm 30 minutes away from it if you have questions needing answers

[69_500]

Hey Bill, why don't you just go ahead and pick it up? I mean you prefer the RR and GTX bodies over the Charger anyways right? I know its not a GTX, but it is a RR with a wing and nose right?

[69bronzeT5]

Was looking at the ebay pictures trying to see if it had a dana,And noticed the trailer hitch.And searched through computer saved pictures and found a blue bird with a trailer hitch


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Thats the same car

[Ghoste]

Yes it is, but there'll be no cigar this time.   

[Hemi_tyme]

reserve met at 45 k...

And the bid will sit there until ............$46 will buy it, That's how the shill works
Ken

[Beep Beep Dave]

Looks like the A12 guy got the closest, my $62.5k guess and it sold for $62,222.
What do I win?

Dave

[Ghoste]

You win the opportunity to be the opening guess on our next round of "Guess the aero car e-bay price is right" game. 

[hemigeno]

You win the opportunity to be the opening guess on our next round of "Guess the aero car e-bay price is right" game. 

Plus, I'll put in a word with Troy and I'm sure we can give him a free year of memership here on DC.com...   



Or better yet, a free plug for Dave's new A12 forum, which can be found here:

http://a12mopar.com/yabb/YaBB.pl

We just think we pay attention to details 'round here - you haven't seen anything until you've checked out how thoroughly the A12 guys have their fav rides covered...   

[Beep Beep Dave]

Now thats better...I was starting to feel ignored
Thanks for the kind words, can't wait for the free membership to kick in...I was hoping for a second year free as I made dodgecharger.com the website of the month on my website:

http://www.mapleleafmopars.homestead.com/

Dave

[Troy]

Now thats better...I was starting to feel ignored
Thanks for the kind words, can't wait for the free membership to kick in...I was hoping for a second year free as I made dodgecharger.com the website of the month on my website:

http://www.mapleleafmopars.homestead.com/

Dave

Awww, how flattering! Thanks. You can have two free years for that.

Troy

[69_500]

So are you trying to imply that those A12 guys are as crazy about details as you are Gene? Or as I am? Or okay I know there are people who are nuts for details in all aspects of this hobby. Glad to know that we aren't alone thought right?

[hemigeno]

Log onto that forum and ask a question about painted/unpainted fender tags, or maybe painted/unpainted dipstick handles.  Better yet, take my word for it that the fracas which would ensue makes the Steel vs. Fiberglass tiffs 'round here seem pretty tame.  Dave, I promise I'm not trying to be an instigator on your new site - just trying to make a point. 

There are some A12 guys that have done a tremendous amount of historical research on those cars, and a surprising amount of the information transfers to Daytonas and probably C500s too.  That's one of the reasons I am interested in their pool of information, besides the simple fact that I appreciate any group which takes the time to document original details/methods/procedures.  Yep, I'm a glutton for punishment, no doubt...

You can have two free years for that.

Glad I didn't overstep my bounds earlier!   

[69_500]

OH I've been on there for a few days now pouring over their details. Like which wingnut to use, on the battery tray, vs air cleaner. Very intersting thread. Made me go out and look at my car just to see which ones I have.

I am also a glutton for those kinds of details as well, which I think you are aware of Gene. Everytime I see something new, or learn something it becomes yet another thing that I stare at on every car that I go look at after that. Things I saw on one car, I always compare to another car.