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« on: January 05, 2008, 10:55:51 PM »

Were there any special order paint (999 code if I remember right)  Superbirds? Just wondering... shruggy
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« Reply #1 on: January 05, 2008, 11:05:08 PM »

Was that root beer color a special order?
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« Reply #2 on: January 05, 2008, 11:24:12 PM »

Petty Blue
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« Reply #3 on: January 06, 2008, 01:07:25 AM »

Was that root beer color a special order?

Are you thinking of the burnt orange because I think that it wasn't offered as a color choice but it was some how ordered that way.
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« Reply #4 on: January 06, 2008, 02:39:51 AM »

hmmmmmmm† i always  thought that burnt orange was never an option on superbirds† , going by what i had read years back† †scratchchin Undecided† but i can think of 2 . think they were coded† also FK5 ............... scratchchin popcrn
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« Reply #5 on: January 06, 2008, 11:18:23 AM »

There are several Superbirds that have the Petty Blue paint, that i guess was a special option/order color. There are also from what I can tell 3 FK5 superbirds. The long standing thinking was that the SuperBirds were only offered in 7 color options, with FK5 making the 8th, but I think that someone noted that the way the FK5 cars were ordered it appears that someone could have ordered one in any color they wanted if they knew how to do it.
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« Reply #6 on: January 06, 2008, 11:42:49 AM »

There are several Superbirds that have the Petty Blue paint, that i guess was a special option/order color. There are also from what I can tell 3 FK5 superbirds. The long standing thinking was that the SuperBirds were only offered in 7 color options, with FK5 making the 8th, but I think that someone noted that the way the FK5 cars were ordered it appears that someone could have ordered one in any color they wanted if they knew how to do it.

I tend to think it was a mistake... a typo of the available FJ5 Limelight, the "K" being right next to the "J".  A friend's Superbird is coded EB5 Blue, but the car's original color was clearly FK5.  He has had the car since the late 1970s, and is well documented as a factory B5 Blue car.

I am not sure how they made the mistake on a B5 car tho... Huh

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« Reply #7 on: January 06, 2008, 11:45:35 AM »

That could be an explination too with the letters "J" and "K" being right beside each other on the keyboard of a typewritter.

Didn't think about that one, but hmmm I still think that there was a paper I saw somewhere showing how you could order a Superbird, and there was a spot to pick a color and it wasn't limited.
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« Reply #8 on: January 06, 2008, 11:49:25 AM »

Printed in one of the DSAC newsletters was a document that listed available colors,it also stated that other colors were available on a special order basis.
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« Reply #9 on: January 06, 2008, 11:52:14 AM »

Thanks for the update, I knew I had seen it somewhere, but to be quite honest I don't tend to organize all the papers on Superbirds like I do with the 500's and Daytona's.
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« Reply #10 on: January 06, 2008, 12:10:48 PM »

Printed in one of the DSAC newsletters was a document that listed available colors,it also stated that other colors were available on a special order basis.

While possible, it is hard to understand why the only special orders from different parts of the country would have been for FK5.  Also out of almost 2000 Superbirds, no one would have ordered triple black if available Huh  Were not all special orders coded 999, not the actual paint code like FK5?
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« Reply #11 on: January 06, 2008, 12:14:49 PM »

I think that the 99 99 only actually refered to a paint color option that wasn't available. I think that they would have been coded as whatever color you were wanting because it wouldnt' have been a special mixture of paint to make the color. IE if you wanted FK5 they would paint it that color, or even if you wanted FM3 they would have done that or anything else. The 999 or 99 99 paint codes depending on years were to signify a color that wasn't available.

IE in 1969 there are charger that are 99 99 and they are either green or orange but those colors later on became standard color options IE V2 orange and F6 green. However they are slightly different from the origional 99 99 paint codes that are similar colors. The later V2 and F6 are close to the earlier 99 99 colors but have slight differenes. I believe the origional 99 99 orange is actually Omaha Orange, which has more of a metalic hint than the later V2. Not sure how to explain the difference in the 99 99 green to the later F6.
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« Reply #12 on: January 06, 2008, 12:48:08 PM »

I found something called inquiry #4923 which allowed you to order a FK5 as the One Dave Jones and Mason Dixon owned.That was originally owned by Carl  Hall.Though other cars came is triple black.No superbirds are known in that combo.Maybe as wingcars had a tendency to run hot .Black was not a chosen color for the superbird??And  not available with AC
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« Reply #13 on: January 06, 2008, 02:02:12 PM »

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« Reply #14 on: January 06, 2008, 02:43:56 PM »

You have to remember that dealers had a hell of a time selling any superbirds.
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« Reply #15 on: January 06, 2008, 04:44:40 PM »

From Fleet engineering,October 27 1969.





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« Reply #16 on: January 06, 2008, 06:46:07 PM »

This has always intrigued me, as I've noticed several times in paper work from chrysler that on one sheet it says one thing, and then a few weeks later you see another paper say the exact opposite. It wouldn't be the first time they changed their minds on something.
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« Reply #17 on: January 06, 2008, 07:06:24 PM »

It also said there was no power windows available superbird,But 1 exsists.And other factory literature stated the 69 charger 500 would only have the 426 in it
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« Reply #18 on: January 07, 2008, 03:43:19 PM »

Your right on the factory literature that says that the 500's would only come with a HEMI, however there are papers that are dated a few weeks after those that state that it would be available with the 440 as well.
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« Reply #19 on: January 09, 2008, 05:08:44 PM »

Was that root beer color a special order?

Are you thinking of the burnt orange because I think that it wasn't offered as a color choice but it was some how ordered that way.

3 birds were painted a dark metallic brown by mistake
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« Reply #20 on: January 09, 2008, 09:24:25 PM »

Petty Blue
OK I'm quoting myself here but all 999 paints code birds had Petty blue paint!!!! The 3 FK5 color, cars had this stamped on the fender tag. Correct me if I'm wrong.
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« Reply #21 on: January 10, 2008, 09:29:00 AM »

Ken, I think you're 100% right.† (Admin) Troy and I met one of the FK5 'Bird owners, which happens to be the only 4-speed example also.† IIRC, both his Fender Tag & Broadcast Sheet show FK5.

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« Reply #22 on: January 10, 2008, 07:12:34 PM »

I know I have several shots of the FK5 Superbird that Dave Jones used to own, but I'm not sure if I have a shot of the fender tag or anything like that.
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« Reply #23 on: January 10, 2008, 11:24:20 PM »

The only Petty Blue 'bird that I have seen in person was not coded 999, it was C37D.   shruggy
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« Reply #24 on: January 10, 2008, 11:46:31 PM »

was there ever a silver wing car? i i seen a daytona with red, howabout a SB?
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« Reply #25 on: January 11, 2008, 09:27:59 AM »

The only Petty Blue 'bird that I have seen in person was not coded 999, it was C37D.† †shruggy
all the ones I have seen are  999 codes  maybe petty bird could chime in   dougy HuhHuhHuh??
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« Reply #26 on: January 11, 2008, 12:33:41 PM »

was there ever a silver wing car? i i seen a daytona with red, howabout a SB?

Strat, are you asking if there was a silver colored wing, or whether any had a silver body color?

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« Reply #27 on: January 11, 2008, 12:35:26 PM »

The only Petty Blue 'bird that I have seen in person was not coded 999, it was C37D.† †shruggy

C37D is also the mark of a Petty Blue Bird.  But the ones I recall say 999 on the tag. 
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« Reply #28 on: January 11, 2008, 12:39:37 PM »

a silver super bird... i've never seen one, but it would look awesome..
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« Reply #29 on: January 11, 2008, 12:48:24 PM »

Not that I'm aware of anyway, although I haven't followed 'Birds as closely as the Daytonas.    FK5 is the only "exception" to the rule so far, and it's a pretty safe bet that there were no factory-original EA4 'Birds.
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« Reply #30 on: January 11, 2008, 03:40:08 PM »

I don't think I've ever seen a Superbird even painted Silver, even though back in the day there were plenty of them sporting odd paint combinations, and graphics.

There are plenty of A4 Daytona's, well I don't know about plenty, but there is definately more than just 1. There was 3 at the Monster Mopar 2 years ago.
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« Reply #31 on: January 11, 2008, 09:17:06 PM »

Petty Blue
OK I'm quoting myself here but all 999 paints code birds had Petty blue paint!!!! The 3 FK5 color, cars had this stamped on the fender tag. Correct me if I'm wrong.
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Sorry guy's I was only tyring to stay on the topic of the tread ............which is 999 Superbirds 2thumbs
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« Reply #32 on: January 11, 2008, 09:27:10 PM »

So what is the break down of the 999 "Petty blue" Superbirds by engine sizes? Anyone have any idea?

I'm figuring that there can't be more than a handful of Petty blue HEMI Superbirds, as I can only think of 1 that i've seen, and I've probably seen a dozen different 6 bbl Superbirds, and not a whole lot of 4 bbl cars. Total I'd say around 25 or so?
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« Reply #33 on: January 12, 2008, 12:56:29 PM »

And looking back, you'd almost think that it would be a very popular color choice on the Superbirds.
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« Reply #34 on: January 12, 2008, 06:51:39 PM »

The only Petty Blue 'bird that I have seen in person was not coded 999, it was C37D.† †shruggy

I was told by a former Lynch Road line worker, Barry Clifton, that C37D is a production code for "Center Console Delete" - it was added on some Superbirds to ensure the console was not added on 4 speed Superbirds.   

He said it replaced an older code of C20 for the 1970 model year and that it was a unique Superbird Code.

C codes are Trim Codes by classification - so the line workers who are responsible for trim - just look at their section of the build sheet and respond to the appropriate code. 

I don't know if what he is talking about is true - but I have a 999 'bird and it is a 4-speed. 

Is there anyone with a 999 automatic that has C37D?
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« Reply #35 on: January 12, 2008, 07:01:17 PM »

So what is the break down of the 999 "Petty blue" Superbirds by engine sizes? Anyone have any idea?

I'm figuring that there can't be more than a handful of Petty blue HEMI Superbirds, as I can only think of 1 that i've seen, and I've probably seen a dozen different 6 bbl Superbirds, and not a whole lot of 4 bbl cars. Total I'd say around 25 or so?

There are no Hemi 999 'birds.   It has to do with the Christmas Break special production run of 50 "Petty Blue" Superbirds for marketing purposes.  They are also build sheet notated as NASCAR 2.    They had to be built prior to the introduction of EPA pollution regulations that went into effect on Jan 1, 1970.    Chrysler was only concerned about the exterior of the vehicles.   

This is also why the J codes of the Petty Blue Superbirds are out of sequence.   My  "Petty Bird" is J99501 and has white interior, 440-4V, 3:54 Dana 4 speed, 38,000 original miles.
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« Reply #36 on: June 20, 2008, 10:14:03 PM »

The only Petty Blue 'bird that I have seen in person was not coded 999, it was C37D.   shruggy

C37D is also the mark of a Petty Blue Bird.  But the ones I recall say 999 on the tag. 


dragging this back from the dead because I missed the damn thread somehow--

the tags read C37D two lines above the standard paint code location (think where V01 would be on the tag, all the way to the left, right above the screw.)  the paint code is filled in as 999


the bcast sheet lists as 37D in the "paint style" box and 999 in the "body paint" box, window sticker at 7D19 as the color/top combo.  the window sticker I saw (at carlisle last year) was the ONLY Corporation Blue I've ever seen, and it made no mention of the color except a the top.  there's an instruction sheet for ordering the color that states the paint is an extra $69.50 retail, but this car wasn't charged for it on the sticker...that was weird to me because any of the traditional "high impact" colors are always charged the standard $14.50.


and J99525 checking in here.  I've never heard of the "christmas break special" at all--my car was built the second or third week of November according to the master list, VIN 168776.

yes, there are plenty of auto petty cars.  barry's is (right?) there's a white interior 4bbl car from NY, the one californiamopars was trying to sell forever was a bench auto, the car Tim Wellborn bought was a bench auto, and I've ridden in an Iowa owned black bucket/console 440 auto car.  that was a treat!




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« Reply #37 on: June 20, 2008, 10:16:19 PM »

The only Petty Blue 'bird that I have seen in person was not coded 999, it was C37D.   shruggy

I was told by a former Lynch Road line worker, Barry Clifton, that C37D is a production code for "Center Console Delete" - it was added on some Superbirds to ensure the console was not added on 4 speed Superbirds.   

C codes are interior trim. sure, but since an console was an extra cost option (C16) there isn't a reason why there would be a delete code.  I also can't count the number of console 4 speed cars I've been in, let alone seen (I'm a wing car ride whore.)

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« Reply #38 on: June 21, 2008, 08:09:29 PM »

I agree, a console was an option, so there is no delete code. It just would not have been ordered.

If anyone has a C37D code on a Superbird that is not Petty Blue, I would love to see it?  Wink
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« Reply #39 on: June 21, 2008, 10:40:10 PM »

C37D is the sales code for Corporation Blue. 


then again, this is mopar, so for all I know a C37D '65 Coronet was painted like a zebra.
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« Reply #40 on: June 22, 2008, 07:29:05 AM »

Kind of related...

1970 Satellite four door from Lynch Road, note the 999 paint codes & the C415 code above them.


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« Reply #41 on: June 22, 2008, 07:23:53 PM »

weird--some random green, like '68 medium green?


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« Reply #42 on: June 22, 2008, 07:46:38 PM »

It could be anything.

If this car was a fleet order, even a Ford or Chevy (or?) color could have been specified. If it had a known paint formula, Chrysler would make it so for the customer.

If anyone has any other examples I would love to see them. As far as I know, 1970 Lynch Road cars are the only ones that specified a secondary paint code like this for the 999 cars?  shruggy
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The only Petty Blue 'bird that I have seen in person was not coded 999, it was C37D.   shruggy

C37D is also the mark of a Petty Blue Bird.  But the ones I recall say 999 on the tag. 


dragging this back from the dead because I missed the damn thread somehow--

the tags read C37D two lines above the standard paint code location (think where V01 would be on the tag, all the way to the left, right above the screw.)  the paint code is filled in as 999


the bcast sheet lists as 37D in the "paint style" box and 999 in the "body paint" box, window sticker at 7D19 as the color/top combo.  the window sticker I saw (at carlisle last year) was the ONLY Corporation Blue I've ever seen, and it made no mention of the color except a the top.  there's an instruction sheet for ordering the color that states the paint is an extra $69.50 retail, but this car wasn't charged for it on the sticker...that was weird to me because any of the traditional "high impact" colors are always charged the standard $14.50.


and J99525 checking in here.  I've never heard of the "christmas break special" at all--my car was built the second or third week of November according to the master list, VIN 168776.

yes, there are plenty of auto petty cars.  barry's is (right?) there's a white interior 4bbl car from NY, the one californiamopars was trying to sell forever was a bench auto, the car Tim Wellborn bought was a bench auto, and I've ridden in an Iowa owned black bucket/console 440 auto car.  that was a treat!






OK, I am pretty certain about this - and I think we can verify it based on our wierd J Numbers - as well as some input from Doug Schellinger's site.

Richard Petty drove Ford's for NASCAR in 1969.  At the end of the 1969 NASCAR season he resigned with Pymouth (that's approximately November 30th or so).    Chrysler realized they had NOT produced any Plymouth Superbird's with the Petty Blue exterior paint.   Obviously, with Petty being the most recognized Plymouth and NASCAR star (aka the Lebron James of his day) they needed to produce some Corporate or "Petty" Blue cars.   They had to do this before January 1, 1970 due to pollution regulations that the EPA was implementing.  As a result, Plymouth kicked out 50 "Petty Blue" cars - all of which have the NASCAR 2 designation on the lower left build sheet corner and 999 paint code.   

But here's the deal  - as I understand it - they didn't create new VIN numbers for these vehicles - they converted EXISTING serialized units (meaning RoadRunners that had been committed for production but not yet begun assembly).  The RR bodies were already there - probably primered - but they had not started down the line.   It just makes sense from a manufacturing standpoint - you would NOT build 50 incremental units from scratch - in the interest of time and money, you just convert EXISTING scheduled production.   So all you have to do is find 50 plainly optioned cars across an existing UNBUILT universe of what ever your production lead time was - say 30 days or probably about 1000 units.

Note:  My guess is that some manager arbitrarily said "No Hemi's - let's keep it simple.   Pull the 440's"    Either that or the Hemi's may have had a particular date sequence that inhibited their choice for this project.

These 50 units were pulled for Superbird conversion and assigned NEW J NUMBERS.   The J number is the "build sequence number" and more accurate in describing when a vehicle actually starts down the line - that's why the J number on the Petty Birds is so much higher than those of regular Birds.  They run in a sequential group of J99501 thru J99550.

After completing the Lynch Road run of Superbird "prep" they were shipped to Creative Concepts (?) for the Nose, Glass, and Wing conversions.   I am told this was completed during the historical automotive "Christmas break" normal downtime so they could meet the January 1, 1970 deadline.   

In sum, Petty Blue cars would show production dates of late November (the dates of their original VIN serialization) but J numbers (production sequence numbers) much higher - because of them being pulled "out of sequence" for their "Petty" conversion.

This is all information I learned "anecdotally" back in the early 80s.   I know I personally talked to Galen Govier at that time, Gary Romar (I think) had written or provided the DSAD some information, and Monroe and Doug had also provided me some information when I met them at Mopar Nats.

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« Reply #45 on: July 08, 2010, 12:06:28 PM »

Just to fan the flames a little.... lol

When sorted, the 79 Winged Warriors list shows 13 Petty Blue Superbirds.

(Now keep in mind, this was 1979.  When someone asked you what color your car was, you probably answered with the ACTUAL color it was, not with the paint code take off a fender tag.  If your car was repainted purple, you said purple.  When people submitted their information to the Winged Warriors, they may have reported their repainted-to-petty-blue car as Petty Blue.  A lot of people like that color.)

Of the 13 Petty Blue cars on the list:

Two are Hemis - one automatic, one manual
Four are Six Barrels - one auto, three manuals
Seven are four barrels - four autos, two manuals, one unknown

They are listed with both black and white interiors
They are listed with both Bucket and Bench seats
Some do have consoles
There are examples of both automatics and manuals with consoles

The VINs run from in the 155xxx range all the way up to 179xxx range

I don't have enough J code data to work with.

Keep in mind, this information has floated down over several Decades!  There are numerous points at which errors could have entered.

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« Reply #46 on: July 08, 2010, 12:52:24 PM »

ALSO!  Something very interesting:

Ten of the 13 Petty Blue cars on the Winged Warriors list show up as the last car (or in a series of petty blue cars at the end of) in the "runs" of VINs as described by the NASCAR serial number list.

If you have a Petty Blue car, go to http://brcook.com/id17.html and check to see if your VIN is near the beginning or end of one of the VIN runs.  If you want me to compile as much data as possible, send me what you know and I will put it into some kind of order.

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« Reply #47 on: July 08, 2010, 01:00:04 PM »

Hi Steve--I got your PM as well.  We're only in Cleveland--I'd love to see your car!  I don't remember my J number off the top of my head, but you van gladly have a copy of my build sheet.  There's a bunch more knowledge on these cars since the "anecdotal" stuff from 30 years ago--I hope this clears up some of it!  I'll PM you back with more info.  

Plenty of Superbirds have "NASCAR NO.2" on their build sheets.

The cars aren't "Petty Blue."  they're (Chrysler) Corporation Blue, meaning they're the same color as the signs at the dealerships.  While certainly close, Petty's formula and the color on the car are different.  Petty owns the rights to his color, and Plymouth didn't license it.

Go back to the original (and only) dealer announcement brochure.  It lists seven colors, the last of which is Corporation Blue.  This would have been printed in early-mid October.  I don't know when Petty signed back on, but that's when the color choices were solidified.  

Plymouth issued a memo to dealers on November 4, 1969,  explaining how to order Corporation Blue cars.  They listed the C37D and 999 codes, as well as a suggested retail price of $69.50.  I would assume, by the issuance of the memo, that most dealers didn't normally special order colors, and certainly didn't order them the color of their signage.  Even if you got smart and went to the parts department for the paint chip charts, you need to grab the 66-68 pages just to find a Ditzler code for Corporation Blue--they're not on the 69-72 pages.  

Here's the memo:  http://www.aerowarriors.com/cda/cda_110469.html

Petty's real "gotcha" in coming back to Chrysler was the stripping of Nichels Engineering of the race division, sending all parts and fabrication to Level Cross.  That meant a lot more to his pocket than some goofy cars in bright blue.  

Not all 999 cars have tachs, not all are one transmission or another, etc.  Also, I don't know how many sales bank Hemi birds were made--since Hyland Park picked the options for the 999 cars I've seen, it could be that they were trying to make them more 'saleable.'  Superbirds were Superbirds from start to finish--their VINS and broadcast sheets were set before the shells were welded together.  No one was sent looking for "low option" shells already in production.  Besides, IF the cars were 'already' road runners, how would you have a pile of U code cars around?  New VIN numbers would have to be issued, regardless.  

The J numbers are not sequential, and there is a HUGE variance in VIN numbers.  If you go to the old sheets Brennan talks about (we're one of the black interior/4 speed cars--Rick Croxford of Muncie, IN) you can see the cars were built in batches.  There are five or six here, a couple there, and this makes all the sense in the world considering the paint wasn't a normal color.  Fleet trucks are painted consecutively, too.  Of course, there are a LOT of holes in those sheets, and many people have been filling them in for years.  There are no 50 consecutive cars, and 50 is an arbitrary number for 999 paint jobs--there is NO documentation to state how many cars were actually built by color.  

Our VIN is 168776, shown on the shipping list as in on Nov. 25, out on the 26th from Clairpointe (not Creative Industries,) meaning it was done before Thanksgiving.  Our car was not immediately assigned to a dealer, as we have the pre-delivery inspection sheet showing the car was prepped on December 26th.  Last year, at Talladega, we met the owners of 168775, and theirs was also at Clairpointe before Thanksgiving.

and Brennan yep--we're at the end.  Again I suspect it has to do with the odd paint. 
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« Reply #48 on: July 08, 2010, 10:58:46 PM »

I also have the seldom-included "NASCAR Master #1" sheet (only sheet 2 of 2; a friend of mine has both,) and it lists "S.O.#'s  B30-J97000-J99499" at the bottom.  The memo is from 10/7/1969, and I know Corporation Blue is listed on page 1. 
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« Reply #49 on: July 09, 2010, 09:48:11 AM »

I also have the seldom-included "NASCAR Master #1" sheet (only sheet 2 of 2; a friend of mine has both,) and it lists "S.O.#'s  B30-J97000-J99499" at the bottom.  The memo is from 10/7/1969, and I know Corporation Blue is listed on page 1. 

Wow!  Very interesting.

Brennan suggests we start a 999 Registry to see if we can pull enough data together to see some trends or shed some light.   I'll start it with my stuff as soon as I get back from vacation.   I'm thinking Fender Tag data by line with an overview of the car  - i.e. "Corporation Blue, White Buckets, 440 4V, 4 Speed no console, 3:54 Dana, tach, AM radio, 15 inche rallyes, no other options"
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« Reply #50 on: July 09, 2010, 09:53:26 AM »

From what I remember they did run in a patricular vin sequence.Gotta double check my notes to be certain on that .Also could Corp / Petty 37 D be ordered through the #4923 Inquiry??

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« Reply #51 on: July 09, 2010, 11:11:22 AM »

Dave, check out the memo I posted.  No mention of order 4923?

and no, the vin's are all over the place.
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« Reply #52 on: July 09, 2010, 09:44:26 PM »

Off the top of my head.But not exactly certain without checking The 999 cars vins ranged from 157-177 . 23 24 cars maybe who knows for sure.But there is cars that are recorded as Petty blue birds one example .I know of that are probably still club recorded as petty blue.The story I heard on this car from the original purchasing owner Its was a white car sat unsold .At Gegnas chrysler plymouth  .And as a tribute to Richard Petty winning races it got converted to petty blue.Other notable actual 999 cars from my area Barry Kanick Joe Medwick .There was another petty blue one from Fl backed up wing to wing with a Y2 yellow Gary Forbus daytona in 87 Car Review Billy Schwindell Miami Fl
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« Reply #53 on: July 10, 2010, 07:34:55 AM »

 I am glad someone is working this topic and the return of this thread also!! I don't think the 999 corporate blue production is anywhere near the common 50 number that is often used! There are so many birds that are 999 corporate blue but originally another color that most of us don't realize really how rare they are! I would like to see a summary of known data by vin and J number along with engine and trans. When we were down in Talladega Tim and Pam Welborn had a special original 999 corporate blue car that someone must have jotted down the vin and J number. Then there is petty birds car and the one built right next to it. A while back some did a similar list on the Indy 71 Challenger convertibles and laid a lot of rumors to rest. I hope someone with more starting data than me can do this!
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« Reply #54 on: July 17, 2010, 10:24:56 AM »

J VON 101

J was used to note special order cars for the 1970 model year, a few examples are Superbirds, 300 Hursts & 999 special order paint cars.

The 'regular' special order Superbirds used VONs starting with J97---. Since the 999 / C37D cars were special order cars WITH a special order paint color, the VONS started with J99---.

Since the VONs of these cars were higher, the 999 cars would have been scheduled using that number, so they will hit in small groups after the J97 cars.
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« Reply #55 on: July 17, 2010, 02:52:18 PM »

A buddy of mine used to own this one ( now owned by Tim Welborn ) and it was a 999 paint code car ,and it's still original paint .  He probably still has some paperwork from the car


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« Reply #56 on: July 18, 2010, 09:06:23 AM »

999 car?? 5th row from the bottom

http://www.bangshift.com/blog/Event-Gallery-Chryslers-at-Carlisle-2010.html
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« Reply #57 on: July 19, 2010, 02:49:26 PM »

J VON 101

J was used to note special order cars for the 1970 model year, a few examples are Superbirds, 300 Hursts & 999 special order paint cars.

The 'regular' special order Superbirds used VONs starting with J97---. Since the 999 / C37D cars were special order cars WITH a special order paint color, the VONS started with J99---.

Since the VONs of these cars were higher, the 999 cars would have been scheduled using that number, so they will hit in small groups after the J97 cars.


See that's what is weird - because the VIN number (on Brennan's site) suggests that the Petty Birds were scattered throughout production - but anecdotally (from when I belonged to DSAC thirty years ago) - I was led to believe they pulled the Petty Birds ALL AT ONCE from existing build "pool"
stock and were all shipped to Creative Industries in late December.

I have seen Corporation Blue 1970 Road Runners.  Is it conceivable they pulled existing pool stock of sitting Corporation Blue Road Runners for conversion to Superbirds?
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« Reply #58 on: July 19, 2010, 03:54:03 PM »

I have seen Corporation Blue 1970 Road Runners.  Is it conceivable they pulled existing pool stock of sitting Corporation Blue Road Runners for conversion to Superbirds?


I find this unlikely, as 440 4bbl motors weren't available in regular production Road Runners.  383's, 440 6bbl's and Hemi's were the Road Runner engines.  The 440 4bbl was a GTX motor, but also standard in the SuperBird.  That means that all U code SuperBirds had to be planned as SuperBirds from the start.
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« Reply #59 on: July 19, 2010, 04:18:48 PM »

Greetings All,

There is a lot of confusion surrounding these cars.  Some of the incorrect data dates back decades.  The most obvious example is the "aluminum nosecone" idea that continues to surface to this day even though it is not true.

The Daytonas were sent to Creative Industries.
The Superbirds were not sent to Creative Industries.  They went to Clairpointe for nosecones and wings.

The Daytona rear window area was modified by Creative Industries.  (correct me if I am wrong)
The Superbird rear window area was not so much modified after the car was built as it was built into the car when it was framed up on the assembly line.  (correct?)

The idea that the Corporate blue Superbirds were completed cars modified after assembly is probably a combination of the stories that describe the building process of all aero cars.  One way to test the idea would be to ask if there is anyone out there who has restored a 999 Corporate Blue Superbird.  If Corporate Blue was found under the carpet, under the package tray and generally throughout the car, we can conclude that the paint originally applied to the cars was Corporate Blue when they were just a metal shell.

The shipping dates of the various Corporate Blue cars lead me to believe that they were not all built and/or painted at the same time.

The conversion of standard Road Runners idea probably stems from the idea that the Daytonas were built out of 500 completed chargers pulled from the line and sent out to Creative Industries.  I think that idea has been dismissed by other threads on this site - most (or all?) of the Daytonas have XX VINs giving the impression that there was an intention to build the cars before their assembly.

Over time all the information tends to blur into one story.  I know this to be true of myself when trying to recall memories of youth.  That is the best part of sites like this one.  With enough minds and data, we can get a pretty good idea of what actually took place.

Keep asking questions.  That is where clarity comes from.
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« Reply #60 on: July 19, 2010, 05:36:36 PM »

Does anyone with the Superbird VIN list have the J numbers for each car as well? If so, I would love to see it. I have studied the VONs & their relationships on the 1970 Hamtramck cars for years.
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« Reply #61 on: July 19, 2010, 05:40:56 PM »

the rear window plugs were installed prior to all paint.  the plugs were welded in, Plastisol (sp?) was applied as the filler, then the car was painted.  baking the plasitsol 'set' the filler.  

I have blue paint everywhere, but NOT underneath that filler, and not in the cracks between the plug and the roof.  cars in color were simply not pulled off any line and made into superbirds.  they were born so before any coating went on.  both of my cars, the 999 and the B5 were the same way.  I've put new tops on both and neither had paint under the filler coat.  The Corporation Blue car has more paint in inconsequential areas than the B5 car, though, and if the ship list is correct they may have sprayed the car until the gun ran dry.  

I've never seen a Corporation Blue 70 road runner.  what paperwork do you have for this?  I'm not doubting but I've gone to a LOT of car shows for a LOT of years, and if there was an 'existing pool' of 999 cars I would have seen at least one.  kinda like the Bengal Chargers--I've seen a few and they made what, 50 of them?

Not to be mean, but your anecdotal evidence is just what you say it is--30 year old hearsay.  a lot of that stuff has been debunked over the past decades.  time to start coming to meets again!



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« Reply #62 on: July 20, 2010, 01:50:25 AM »

Not sure if this one is a "real" 999 car - still checking. last 3 digits of the serial are 202 (all I can remember off the top of my head).  Its in a shop I occasionally get called to as temporary help with restoration mechanical work.

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« Reply #63 on: July 20, 2010, 12:20:15 PM »

That car should be easy to remember if anyone has seen it - painted metal top, yellow park lenses, oversized front chin spoiler, event stickers, etc.  Does anyone recall this car?
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« Reply #64 on: July 20, 2010, 10:13:02 PM »

Does anyone recall this Petty blue 6 barrel bird.Harold Sullivan traded for the silver bullet car
http://www.moparmagazine.com/2009/july_august/opening_the_vault_doors.html?searched=superbird&highlight=ajaxSearch_highlight+ajaxSearch_highlight1
Harold traded a 1970 Petty Blue Six Barrel Superbird for the Bullet around 1997. The Silver Bullet was in storage for 16 years after the owner, who got it as an 18th birthday present from his father, damaged the motor and parked it. The car has its original fiberglass fenders and doors. Addison helped Sullivan during the latter stages of the carís restoration.
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« Reply #65 on: July 22, 2010, 11:08:56 PM »

Not to be mean, but your anecdotal evidence is just what you say it is--30 year old hearsay.  a lot of that stuff has been debunked over the past decades.  time to start coming to meets again!

You are right about that.

My neighbor in an apartment in Lexington Ky (circa 1980ish) had a 70 Corporation Blue Road Runner (although it is possible it was a GTX) but it had the long stripe running down the side that ended with the Road Runner decal.   He led me to believe it was this color from when he bought it (as the original owner).  I think it was a 383 car.



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« Reply #66 on: January 29, 2014, 04:05:16 PM »

Updating this post for a couple of reasons - 1) to say thanks to Pettybird and everyone else for their wealth of knowledge and Rick in Australia has been struggling to find out more about his 999 bird and this has a lot of good information in it.
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