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« on: September 06, 2008, 07:42:57 PM »

TO ROUGH FOR ME , V CODE CAR TOO

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« Reply #1 on: September 06, 2008, 07:44:59 PM »

 Shocked

Whenever you find a rough wing car, the wing and nose have alway been torn off, and sold to cloners. That really makes me mad. Really rough car too. No fender tag or build sheet. How do you know it is a SuperBird?
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« Reply #2 on: September 06, 2008, 08:02:18 PM »

Why do I hear Taps playing the background
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« Reply #3 on: September 06, 2008, 08:36:01 PM »

Hey not to far from me!  I could get two cars of the Aero car collection in the same condition.....  Undecided
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« Reply #4 on: September 06, 2008, 08:51:56 PM »

Why do I hear Taps playing the background

Lost but never forgotten. Make me want to cry. Cry icon_smile_big
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« Reply #5 on: September 06, 2008, 09:02:12 PM »

Why do I hear Taps playing the background

No problem...    I got a welder...    seriously - I could fix that bad boy up
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« Reply #6 on: September 06, 2008, 09:22:13 PM »

I have the technology to rebuild it.  2thumbs

Yep, I could fix it... but it would have to be bought CHEAP ! 

That thing is missing $20K worth of parts  eek
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« Reply #7 on: September 06, 2008, 10:42:42 PM »

Where are our experts to tell us that this is a real superbird?

I have a real wing. In fact I have just about everything that this car needs. Most of it is repro stuff though.
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« Reply #8 on: September 07, 2008, 03:57:48 AM »

The evidence suggests it is a real Superbird. To say it isn't because it doesn't have a broadcast sheet or fender tag ignores what is presented. If the car can be saved given it's condition and the restoration costs that would be needed is another matter.

Supporting that it is a "real" car based on the pictures-it appears. 1.) it is on the nascar list 2.) it is a 2dr ht 3.) it appears to be one of the right exterior colors 4.) it appears to have one of the right interior combinations seat/color of door tops 5.) it has the rear plug and evidence of putty 6.) the vinyl roof is cut right at the A pillars 7.) it has 3 way wipers 8.) firewall has correct knock-out for the vacuum hose 9.) drilled for vacuum can 10.) nose braces there 11.) not an AC firewall 12.) brace on the radiator support for latch tray 13.) it is a console auto not a 3 on the tree or 3 on the floor. 14.) quarters drilled for wing

Additional items that could better support it being a real car. 1.) evidence of trunk rail serial # 2.) evidence of radiator support serial # (or blank as not all cars have this) 3.) original door tag 4.) pictures of trunk showing wing support parts and jack stud. 5.) picture of A pillar showing 2 screw holes. 6.) evidence of front disk brakes

Lack of title-big problem. Cost for return-big problem. You'd want to document everything that was actually there b4youbuy, and pay based on that. Buyer beware.

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« Reply #9 on: September 07, 2008, 05:37:16 AM »

I have always wondered, why do you see so many rotting/burnt/destroyed Wing Cars, when so few (2,000-) were built? Do they attract bad luck, or what?
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« Reply #10 on: September 07, 2008, 06:18:56 AM »

 Englishtown NJ superbird.That was found in Old bridge by Bill 440 RT
http://www.dodgecharger.com/forum/index.php/topic,40368.0.html
The vin is RM23VOA177585 its a real superbird and is tagged in this condition .It left NJ appears now to be in MN

VIN  NO.  RECEIVED DATE  SHIPPED DATE  REMARKS 
RM23V0A177585  1266  4-Dec  4-Dec   

VIN - The SuperBird's Vehicle Identification Number (VIN).
NO. - The sequential number assigned to the VIN in the serial number list.
RECEIVED DATE - The day and month of 1969 when the SuperBird was received at the Clairpointe Pre-Production facility where the nose and wing were to be installed.
SHIPPED DATE - The day and month of 1969 when the SuperBird left the Clairpointe Pre-Production facility.
REMARKS - Only a very few VINs have information here; normally remarks were necessary when a car required repair.
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« Reply #11 on: September 07, 2008, 09:20:22 AM »

 No buildsheet or fender tag the 6 pack motor shown in the ad has AC brackets and pulleys..What do you forsee see this going for.The best bet is run the DMV vin or tag shown laying near car on back bumper 80-ish blue NJ plate 028-PMV.To find owner and title .Or try for a mail order title.


But still, a real " project car". Besides lack of documentation, non-matching motor, no nose , missing wing,Cheaper to build a clone
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« Reply #12 on: September 07, 2008, 10:23:32 AM »

These were once everyday cars. I drove one of my Superbirds to college a lot of days. I drove it to Target when I needed to pick up something (I grew up close to the 1st Target in the country). I remember a 435 HP Vette in the Target parking lot quite often too.

Some cars were "pickled". Folks thought they were potential collectors.

Others-Folks had the ordinary everyday accidents with them. Plus being used daily they wore out. Kids jumped up and down on the seats. Rust out after 5 years. Build quality was....well ....not so good. They went to the junkyard. Folks stripped them for parts. Then someone saw that, drum roll, it was a winged car. Folks bought what was left and put it in the back 40. Barrett-Jackson suggested the hulk or "debris field" car must be worth $. These cars trade, people don't realize how expensive they are to fix up. If this guy bought the NJ car, got it home, he may have soon seen too much work for any return-more likley money loser. Looking for a new owner.

Doug has a lot of serial #'s in his list. So the percentage of cars still around is very high. Someone often saw that there was "something special" here. If you look at the percentage of winged cars still around compared to other performance cars, '69 Road Runners, it is high. In a lot of ways they were lucky.
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« Reply #13 on: September 07, 2008, 10:28:57 AM »

These were once everyday cars. I drove one of my Superbirds to college a lot of days. I drove it to Target when I needed to pick up something (I grew up close to the 1st Target in the country). I remember a 435 HP Vette in the Target parking lot quite often too.

Some cars were "pickled". Folks thought they were potential collectors.

Others-Folks had the ordinary everyday accidents with them. Plus being used daily they wore out. Kids jumped up and down on the seats. Rust out after 5 years. Build quality was....well ....not so good. They went to the junkyard. Folks stripped them for parts. Then someone saw that, drum roll, it was a winged car. Folks bought what was left and put it in the back 40. Barrett-Jackson suggested the hulk or "debris field" car must be worth $. These cars trade, people don't realize how expensive they are to fix up. If this guy bought the NJ car, got it home, he may have soon seen too much work for any return-more likley money loser. Looking for a new owner.

Doug has a lot of serial #'s in his list. So the percentage of cars still around is very high. Someone often saw that there was "something special" here. If you look at the percentage of winged cars still around compared to other performance cars, '69 Road Runners, it is high. In a lot of ways they were lucky.

A wing car would be the ultimate daily driver!!

I would love to build a cheap daytona or superbird clone, using the cheapest parts, and a car too far to save, doing only the wing and nose, and then enter it in a Demo Derby at the county fair, and see the looks on peoples faces! smilielol
Maybe my future daytona clone will be daily driven in the summer? Or all year? Who knows? Just need some heavy undercoating.
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« Reply #14 on: September 07, 2008, 10:34:14 AM »

i'm tempted to bid .  scratchchin
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« Reply #15 on: September 07, 2008, 11:37:16 AM »

RENE,  this is who I bought my recent 69 (luci) from,  He is a very good guy will a lot of knowledge.  He has many, MANY mopars around his show,  he does bodywork.

WHen I arrived to pick up the charger he was drving a 06 RED VIPER....

Let me know if you have questions.  I am 4 hours away, PT is closer.

BTW, when I was there he was RESTOING a HEMI Road Runner BLACK!!!

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« Reply #16 on: September 07, 2008, 12:46:26 PM »

i'm tempted to bid .  scratchchin

I see this one going to 30K or higher since it's a V code car.
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« Reply #17 on: September 07, 2008, 12:49:17 PM »

i'm tempted to bid .  scratchchin

I see this one going to 30K or higher since it's a V code car.
  wish i had the 30 k cause I got all the stuff to make it right

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« Reply #18 on: September 07, 2008, 12:51:45 PM »

Well guys again this is not too far from MINNE.  PT would have about an hours drive I have 4.

More than happy to talk to Corey (seller) if anyone wishes, and help in anyway I could.


Tom,  If you are a long ways out and do buy I do have a shop to store it in too.

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« Reply #19 on: September 07, 2008, 02:03:23 PM »

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   Let me know if you have questions.  I am 4 hours away, PT is closer.

 thanks Bro  but i couldn't go over 15k . Rene
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« Reply #20 on: September 07, 2008, 02:07:09 PM »





A wing car would be the ultimate daily driver!!



it loses its charm after a while...commute in the July-August sun on enough 90 degree days and you'll wonder what all the fuss is about.  I drove the petty blue car for my daily the summer I got out of high school.  never again. 
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« Reply #21 on: September 07, 2008, 07:42:23 PM »

MOST OF THAT STUFF WILL BUFF OUT !!!!!!!!!!!
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« Reply #22 on: September 07, 2008, 07:52:37 PM »

MOST OF THAT STUFF WILL BUFF OUT !!!!!!!!!!!

Those bruises heal yet?





A wing car would be the ultimate daily driver!!



it loses its charm after a while...commute in the July-August sun on enough 90 degree days and you'll wonder what all the fuss is about.  I drove the petty blue car for my daily the summer I got out of high school.  never again. 

Well, if my clone has a newer 5.7L with A/C, and a white interior, I think I would do fine. icon_smile_big
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« Reply #23 on: September 07, 2008, 08:07:46 PM »

dreams can come true .
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« Reply #24 on: September 07, 2008, 08:12:02 PM »

dreams can come true .

Well, here is a simple 6 step program to make your dreams come true. Simply mail in $19.95.
1. Get '69 or '70 Charger
2. Fix Sheetmetal
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« Reply #25 on: September 08, 2008, 02:54:21 AM »

I have always wondered, why do you see so many rotting/burnt/destroyed Wing Cars, when so few (2,000-) were built? Do they attract bad luck, or what?

I've always thought it was the other way around compared to most musclecars.  The wing cars seem to me to have a better survival rate which I've always attributed to their collectability right from day one.  The same value has meant that the wing car cognoscenti have kept track of even the destroyed ones over the years (as much as they could), and now with the rest of the world cluing in to how special these cars are the wrecks are coming out of the swamps.
When basic 68-70 Road Runners start commanding 100k + on televised auctions you'll see so many rotten Runners coming out for sale you'll start to think they were sold as wrecks from the factory.  Twocents
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« Reply #26 on: September 08, 2008, 07:13:43 AM »

After being discovered and pulled from its location near Englishtown, the car was on Ebay several months ago.    At least then it was inside.   It sure looks rough, but I've seen worse.
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« Reply #27 on: September 08, 2008, 07:31:45 PM »

There was a post on this car on the Yenko site back in 2004. It had several pics from the guy that found it. He was trying to figure out if it was real or not. Everything pointed to it being real.
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« Reply #28 on: September 08, 2008, 10:35:48 PM »

Are there people stupid enough to bid on a car with several days left?
If you're really wanting to win the auction, then you're just raising the price that you will have to pay.  brickwall
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« Reply #29 on: September 08, 2008, 10:47:37 PM »



                   INCLUDING WET DREAMS Huh??
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« Reply #30 on: September 16, 2008, 10:19:19 AM »

$21000  There you go Stuart . you got all the parts to bring it back  2thumbs
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« Reply #31 on: September 16, 2008, 11:55:44 AM »

25k and reserve not met , wow that guys is wanting to hit a home run on a rust bucket
 
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« Reply #32 on: September 16, 2008, 12:57:29 PM »

isn't this the superbird the guy bought for 3,000 dollars
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« Reply #33 on: September 16, 2008, 01:27:29 PM »

25k and reserve not met , wow that guys is wanting to hit a home run on a rust bucket
 

he re-listed just the car not all the parts.  If you see he relist button click it takes you to the new auction.

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« Reply #34 on: September 16, 2008, 01:48:23 PM »

http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=140267414896

   here it is   , still making a home run .   


 I drove the convertible every night this week and I am very happy just having a clone !
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« Reply #35 on: September 16, 2008, 06:13:29 PM »

 scratchchin     icon_smile_big
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« Reply #36 on: September 16, 2008, 06:22:26 PM »

wow...25k and they turned it down..unreal... smilielol smilielol
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« Reply #37 on: September 16, 2008, 06:55:11 PM »

Hey Hotrod,-----------------------  scratchchin scratchchin-------------- at least you'll know it was restored correctly when done .  scratchchin . maybe you could trade him a car and a little cash  .  scratchchin  all these thoughts have gone through my head or  maybe offer  15k .    brickwall  .

 i gotta keep saying to myself, first the new house with the monster garage,  then the bird.   cheers


you already have the monster garage . all you need now is the bird .    scratchchin
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Hey Hotrod,-----------------------  scratchchin scratchchin-------------- at least you'll know it was restored correctly when done .  scratchchin . maybe you could trade him a car and a little cash  .  scratchchin  all these thoughts have gone through my head or  maybe offer  15k .    brickwall  .

 i gotta keep saying to myself, first the new house with the monster garage,  then the bird.   cheers


you already have the monster garage . all you need now is the bird .    scratchchin
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« Reply #39 on: September 16, 2008, 08:39:56 PM »

I CANNOT believe this thing is still going around. nascarXX29, THANKS for remembering!!  2thumbs
 The car was JUST relisted, first auction went for $25100 & it did NOT meet the reserve! Now, a BIN for $21000??  smilielol  smilielol

Seems like each time this car is for sale it comes with more & more parts. Amazing it made it out to MN.

Car was found in a field on a person's property nearby me in Old Bridge, NJ. Yes, it's a legit V-code Bird. Big time rust. I still have pics of what it looked like PRIOR to the sale of the first guy, who was from PA. Looks like the car was cleaned up a bit, parts were thrown in the interior (don't think there's much metal to bolt anything down to), & some good use of a porta-power in the rear end, much of which is made up of AIR.  Cheesy
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« Reply #40 on: September 16, 2008, 09:31:01 PM »

I talked to the current owner. He said that it needs front and rear frame rails, floor from firewall to rear body panel, dutchman panel, both quarters, both doors, upper outer cowl and of course all of the parts that are missing. But the good news is the rockers are pretty solid.   

I blew the pics up and it looks like it may also need a roof panel, outer wheelhouses, part of the core support, the plug or partial repair of the plug, possibly the tail panel, the rear frame crossmember, fuel tank supports, etc...etc...etc...

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« Reply #41 on: September 16, 2008, 09:33:42 PM »

sounds more like a "HLPAG father son" project than a good old fashioned normal project.. i had been contemplating that car as well, but man you just made my decision easier. i'd never be able to tackle that much work. i'd get disgusted and sell it later on probably..
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« Reply #42 on: September 17, 2008, 05:36:25 AM »

sounds more like a "HLPAG father son" project than a good old fashioned normal project.. i had been contemplating that car as well, but man you just made my decision easier. i'd never be able to tackle that much work. i'd get disgusted and sell it later on probably..


Which is exactly what the previous sellers have realized. The car will probably someday be restored with a '70 Satellite body and a pair of pop rivets.  eek
I probably would have done exactly what the other sellers are doing: FLIP!!!  Cheesy
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« Reply #43 on: September 17, 2008, 05:52:10 AM »

This sounds more like a Rebody auction than anything else. slap

Kinda like that Daytona that wrecked off a cliff and was nothing but a magled pile of metal that sold on ebay a while back. There was no saving that car. This one will probably be the same. Cry BUT, it is better to see the numbers at leats stay around driving, than go to a collector and sit on a shelf or worse.
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« Reply #44 on: September 17, 2008, 08:31:49 AM »

If a guy found a car like this that no one knew about, then with careful work, you could re-body this car and no one would ever know.
But, this car is well documented. If it shows up in pristine condition with factory welds on all panels, someone will be in big trouble.
I'll keep looking. I would rather not have a bird than to get into a project like this. You can't weld new sheet metal to rust.
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« Reply #45 on: September 17, 2008, 09:21:33 AM »

I would rather not have a bird than to get into a project like this. You can't weld new sheet metal to rust.

Heaven forbid someone tries to dip it to remove the rust.   Shocked
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« Reply #46 on: September 17, 2008, 09:25:04 AM »

I would rather not have a bird than to get into a project like this. You can't weld new sheet metal to rust.

Heaven forbid someone tries to dip it to remove the rust.   Shocked

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« Reply #47 on: September 17, 2008, 09:25:07 AM »

I would rather not have a bird than to get into a project like this. You can't weld new sheet metal to rust.

Heaven forbid someone tries to dip it to remove the rust.   Shocked

OMG never thought of that.  You might pull out parts of the firewaill seems to be about it....... shruggy
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« Reply #48 on: September 17, 2008, 10:54:13 AM »

Once the frame rails are toast and springs threw the trunk whats left to restore?  shruggy

Imo they are dead at this point and bringing it back as a "restored" car is almost as bad as a rebody if all that is left of the original car is the firewall.


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« Reply #49 on: September 17, 2008, 11:08:54 AM »

This one wouldn't even be a good candidate for a rebody. No data plate, no build sheet, no title, original driveline and front sheet metal missing and on...and on...
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« Reply #50 on: September 17, 2008, 11:08:59 AM »

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 yesnod  yea , this thing is to far gone . rotz
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« Reply #51 on: September 17, 2008, 12:07:05 PM »

I'm still amazed when i see threads about guys doing resto's on 318 cars changing out framerails, firewalls ect.
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« Reply #52 on: September 17, 2008, 12:22:54 PM »

This one wouldn't even be a good candidate for a rebody. No data plate, no build sheet, no title, original driveline and front sheet metal missing and on...and on...


Good point, but I bet a re-body will still happen, especially now since the market is down & it's more of a risk to the investors. If I could do the massive amount of body work it needs myself, & the initial cost of the car wasn't so high, it might be worth a try just to own a wing car. What it still needs though, is very expensive so most people including myself won't touch it. One of the scariest parts, is no title on a car that expensive. Too big of a gamble that it'll come back to bite you in the ass at a later date.

It could have a previous salvage title, maybe stolen at one time, or some other issue that will keep you from legally owning it. Even if you can get a state issued VIN, then that defeats the purpose of buying this one for just the VIN saying it's a Superbird. A lesser valued car, for say several hundred dollars, or even a thousand or so, would be far less risky to the wallet. I didn't spend anywhere close to the highest bid on that bird for what I paid for two cars I own that only came with a bill of sale.
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« Reply #53 on: September 17, 2008, 02:55:32 PM »

You never know. Mybe a bad restamp company would make one based on word? Undecided
Never know.

On a lighter note, I found a black 1969 Coronet R/T with a 440 sitting on jackstands at our buddy who is a muscle car mechanic.
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« Reply #54 on: September 17, 2008, 03:42:14 PM »



On a lighter note, I found a black 1969 Coronet R/T with a 440 sitting on jackstands at our buddy who is a muscle car mechanic.

your not allowed to post something like that without picture YOUNGSTER... RantExplode
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« Reply #55 on: September 17, 2008, 06:04:31 PM »



On a lighter note, I found a black 1969 Coronet R/T with a 440 sitting on jackstands at our buddy who is a muscle car mechanic.

your not allowed to post something like that without picture YOUNGSTER... RantExplode
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« Reply #56 on: September 21, 2008, 07:05:06 PM »

Only went to 12K. I bet his buddy's bid it up to the 25K last time  scratchchin
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« Reply #57 on: September 21, 2008, 07:12:26 PM »

The seller ended this listing early because the item is no longer available for sale.
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« Reply #58 on: September 21, 2008, 07:15:06 PM »

The seller ended this listing early because the item is no longer available for sale.


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« Reply #59 on: March 18, 2013, 12:18:26 PM »

I know it has been a long time but Whatever happened to this car, and is it for sale  ?
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« Reply #60 on: March 18, 2013, 12:23:20 PM »

Someone was going to buy it in 2009 or 2010 (or they had already bought it) and the plan was to restore it.   That was the last I heard.
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« Reply #61 on: March 18, 2013, 12:57:23 PM »

I always wondered what happened to this "Bird also.
Anyone have any other knowledge about it?  shruggy
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« Reply #62 on: March 18, 2013, 01:37:00 PM »

Havent seen it .Just remember it was in newsletter in Minnesota then sold again

http://www.superbirdclub.com/nletter10-08.pdf
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« Reply #63 on: March 18, 2013, 01:56:39 PM »

I'm going to get some WIPE NEW from the "Count" and test it on the car. if it works maybe I'd buy the car!  smilielol
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« Reply #64 on: March 18, 2013, 02:38:26 PM »

I'm going to get some WIPE NEW from the "Count" and test it on the car. if it works maybe I'd buy the car!  smilielol
smilielol smilielol smilielol smilielol that guy is such a douche bag
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« Reply #65 on: March 18, 2013, 03:17:35 PM »

I have the technology to rebuild it.  2thumbs

Yep, I could fix it... but it would have to be bought CHEAP !  

That thing is missing $20K worth of parts  eek




And a rolling "donor" body to "transfer" whats left, over to it, along with some "envelope parts"...... scratchchin
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« Reply #66 on: March 18, 2013, 03:46:17 PM »

I'm going to get some WIPE NEW from the "Count" and test it on the car. if it works maybe I'd buy the car!  smilielol
smilielol smilielol smilielol smilielol that guy is such a douche bag



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« Reply #67 on: March 18, 2013, 05:37:15 PM »

I have the technology to rebuild it.  2thumbs

Yep, I could fix it... but it would have to be bought CHEAP !  

That thing is missing $20K worth of parts  eek




And a rolling "donor" body to "transfer" whats left, over to it, along with some "envelope parts"...... scratchchin

I would love to find something in that shape or even a little worse to build my Dream 70s Street Race Bird, so if anyone knows of anything in that shape or little worse FOR SALE let me know Im interested....
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