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« on: February 07, 2009, 06:40:08 PM »

I was wondering if anyone had an update on the Dodge Charger Nascar that was found recently?  This is the other #88 Daytona that actually broke the 200mph speed limit and was driven by Baker.  For the longest time the car that sits at the Talladega Museum was thought to be the one that broke the record.  I'd love to see more recent photos of the car.

For anyone that is lost in the dark about this car.... here is the story http://aerowarriors.com/88daytona.html

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« Reply #1 on: February 07, 2009, 06:43:03 PM »

Thats Greg Kiatowskis car .Not sure what stage of the resto the car is at .Its being a while .And I even had asked about any development on this car .And nothing was updated i know of or heard since this old post



 
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We know Greg K aquired this one off experimental test vehicle from racer Don White.What stage is this car at know .I only recall seeing wanted ads for certain parts for its resto in wingcar newsletters.Is it a finished car ..Wouldnt mind seeing that wingcar at the upcoming carlisle wing car diisplay 
 
 
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« Reply #2 on: February 07, 2009, 08:28:02 PM »

That car was in Mopar Muscle back in 2001.
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« Reply #3 on: February 07, 2009, 08:32:50 PM »

been wondering also how the resto is progressing  popcrn
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« Reply #4 on: February 07, 2009, 10:43:14 PM »

Greg is currently working on the car in the Detroit area and there is progress being made.     
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« Reply #5 on: February 08, 2009, 04:19:18 AM »

coolgleamA  thanks for the update  Doug  cheers
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« Reply #6 on: February 08, 2009, 01:38:32 PM »

How on earth do these cars keep popping up? Shocked
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« Reply #7 on: April 15, 2009, 08:33:38 AM »

Anyone have photos of the #88 Daytona racecar found behind someone's
shop a couple years ago? What was left of it? And any history of the car
after it was sold and how it ended up sitting back there?
Is it being restored to as raced condition?
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« Reply #8 on: April 15, 2009, 08:41:11 AM »

The car currently belongs to Greg Kwiatkowski who is restoring it.  There are pics of it in the as found condition, I believe Mopar Collectors Guide ran a featue on it?
The car went from Chrysler to Don White and that is whose shop it ended up sitting behind.  When Don was finished racing it, he just parked it behind his shop like any other old race car.  It sat there until Greg found it and as far as I know, "race condition" is the way he is restoring it.
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« Reply #9 on: April 15, 2009, 08:41:29 AM »

Hey Flash,  If anyone e-mails you directly would you please forward it on to me?  I'd love to see that info also.

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« Reply #10 on: April 15, 2009, 08:47:36 AM »

You can find the story and several pics here.

http://aerowarriors.com/88daytona.html
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« Reply #11 on: April 16, 2009, 06:20:49 PM »

Thanks Ghoste.  That's good reading!
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« Reply #12 on: April 20, 2009, 06:01:14 AM »

Thanks Ghoste.

Anyone know how the resto. coming?

How about posting a few photos?

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« Reply #13 on: April 20, 2009, 07:22:59 AM »

Someone on the site was talking to Greg recently and had an update but I can't recall who it was.
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« Reply #14 on: April 20, 2009, 08:00:40 AM »

The car is being restored to the way it was on March 24th 1970, including the correct suspension, vehicle attitude, tires, and engine specs.   
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« Reply #15 on: March 02, 2010, 11:58:38 AM »

I seen this on the other wingcars sights and found it on here .The story dates to 2002 . Wonder what progress on this rare 1st daytona has undergone  Twocents

http://www.moparmusclemagazine.com/featuredvehicles/b_body/mopp_0201_1969_dodge_daytona/index.html
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« Reply #16 on: March 02, 2010, 12:21:53 PM »

There are at least two other recent threads asking about the #88 car.   Maybe the three could be merged into one.

http://www.dodgecharger.com/forum/index.php/topic,56043.msg623958/topicseen.html#msg623958

http://www.dodgecharger.com/forum/index.php/topic,53454.0.html

The car is coming along nicely, but Greg has taken a short break over the winter. 
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« Reply #17 on: March 02, 2010, 03:56:51 PM »

There are at least two other recent threads asking about the #88 car.   Maybe the three could be merged into one.



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« Reply #18 on: March 02, 2010, 04:07:43 PM »

Any update on this vehicle?
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« Reply #19 on: March 02, 2010, 04:22:05 PM »

Any update on this vehicle?
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Security is very tight at the Woodward Garage.   The car is coming along nicely, but Greg has taken a break over the winter.   I am sure he will want to get back to it quickly.   The moment in time the car is being restored is as it was on the record run.   This means undoing some later modifications performed to it and sourcing some parts made of unobtanium.     I don't know when the car will be done, but there is light at the end of the tunnel.
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Any update on this vehicle?
Inquiring minds want to know. icon_smile_big

Security is very tight at the Woodward Garage.   The car is coming along nicely, but Greg has taken a break over the winter.   I am sure he will want to get back to it quickly.   The moment in time the car is being restored is as it was on the record run.   This means undoing some later modifications performed to it and sourcing some parts made of unobtanium.     I don't know when the car will be done, but there is light at the end of the tunnel.

 cool sounds some good stuff going on  coolgleamA thanks for the update ! cant wait to see pictures !! wonder what going to happen to the 71/88 daytona ??
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« Reply #21 on: March 02, 2010, 04:46:24 PM »

One of those great stories you love to read about.
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« Reply #22 on: March 02, 2010, 08:26:41 PM »

Security is very tight at the Woodward Garage.   The car is coming along nicely, but Greg has taken a break over the winter.   I am sure he will want to get back to it quickly.   The moment in time the car is being restored is as it was on the record run.   This means undoing some later modifications performed to it and sourcing some parts made of unobtanium.     I don't know when the car will be done, but there is light at the end of the tunnel.

Very cool.   2thumbs

I've got the magazine issue those shots appeared in, along with other research material I collected to build a plastic model of that car. I've got all the parts I think I need and most of the decals it wore, but need to find some of the smaller markings.

Wasn't there some sort of special insulation on the floor and firewall, that other race-spec cars didn't have?

It'd also be neat if Greg managed to find some of the vintage data recorder equipment Chrysler supposedly had mounted in the trunk.
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« Reply #23 on: March 03, 2010, 09:36:21 AM »

Wasn't there some sort of special insulation on the floor and firewall, that other race-spec cars didn't have?

It'd also be neat if Greg managed to find some of the vintage data recorder equipment Chrysler supposedly had mounted in the trunk.

Yes there was some special foam type material they got from NASA.   Bill Wright who came from the Huntsville based Chrysler rocket program got the stuff to try out.

The data recorder is a Lockheed 417 with the offset mounted reels.    Two units will be required, one for the trunk and a second to cannibalize for the dashboard push buttons, unless he can find the remote unit.     The stuff has gotta be out there, as they were used for different applications.  


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« Reply #24 on: March 03, 2010, 10:20:50 AM »

The number on this car is DC-93. It has no VIN on the dash, like a stock vehicle. It has DC-93 under the dashboard, which is the number noted NASCAR builder Ray Nichols of Highland, Indiana, assigned the car when it was built. The Chrysler guys called it "093" and vintage photos show this. The car has no title because it was strictly a race car. Don's close connection with Ray, whom he drove for several times during the '60s, may have played a role as to why he ended up with this particular machine.

 Twocents Did this magazine stolen stripped .Former 68 Charger street car story become the known #88 car as we know now? Or its another unsolved mopar mystery or who had retrieved the stolen shell


Not bad for a car that had been left a derelict on the mean streets of Los Angeles. Chrysler had sent a Dodge Charger Hemi out to California for testing by a major auto enthusiast magazine. It was stolen one night and was lost for quite a while. Finally, L.A. police found the stripped out derelict body on the mean streets of Watts. There wasn't much left except the body, which had been left sitting on cement blocks. The police hauled it into their impound lot. Notifications were made, of course. At first, nothing was going to happen. However it was the time of the Riverside race. One of the guys involved had taken a car out to Riverside to sell. His trailer was empty for the return trip, so he was asked to pick up the hulk from the L.A.P.D. lot.  He did so. That car became the #88 engineering mule and the 200 mile an hour record holder.

However it was the time of the Riverside race. One of the guys involved had taken a car out to Riverside to sell. His trailer was empty for the return trip, so he was asked to pick up the hulk from the L.A.P.D. lot.  He did so. That car became the #88 engineering mule and the 200 mile an hour record holder


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« Reply #25 on: March 03, 2010, 10:34:51 AM »

Different topic but related the Gale Porter 1970 letter about the #88 museum car switch.I ran across this about Bob Mc Curry donating the car in 1973
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« Reply #26 on: March 03, 2010, 02:08:41 PM »

Just to clarify the above,  the car that EVENTUALLY became the #88 Daytona was initially running as a Charger 500 race car in November 1968.   See note about "car being constructed at Nichels under direct engineering supervision"  (of Larry Rathgeb).  



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« Reply #27 on: March 03, 2010, 02:13:48 PM »

Furthur to the above are the results of the test which clearly calls out the new Engineering car (093) versus the old car 046 (the Cotton Owens 1968 Charger converted to a Charger 500).   Conversion of 093 to a Daytona came later.    There is nothing to suggest there ever was another test car in between the old Engineering car 046 and the new car, 093. 

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« Reply #28 on: March 03, 2010, 02:26:03 PM »

interesting  read !!  popcrn scratchchin
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« Reply #29 on: May 30, 2020, 08:02:56 AM »


Stumbled across this old thread!  Was prior to me being onboard.  Lots of questions being answered lately, but the ones that asked are MIA.   shruggy
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« Reply #30 on: June 01, 2020, 03:17:18 AM »

Wow, ten years ago.
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« Reply #31 on: June 01, 2020, 09:05:47 AM »

Wow, ten years ago.

Time flies. I was surprised to see the view count.
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« Reply #32 on: July 06, 2020, 03:08:47 AM »

Wow, every little things adds up!

One and a half degree 'floorpan', was that was even measurable in 1968?
Or was it 'not' measurable by the officials, so it was altered to see if it had any advantages?
Ford had outrageous rocker mods that they were allowed to get away with... slap

192mph was getting close to the BIG 200mph.
Would it have been possible without the Nose and wing mods... popcrn
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« Reply #33 on: July 06, 2020, 08:52:43 AM »

Wow, every little things adds up!

One and a half degree 'floorpan', was that was even measurable in 1968?
Or was it 'not' measurable by the officials, so it was altered to see if it had any advantages?
Ford had outrageous rocker mods that they were allowed to get away with... slap

192mph was getting close to the BIG 200mph.
Would it have been possible without the Nose and wing mods... popcrn

Chrysler performed shaved rocker panel modifications on several 1968 mid-season Dodge and Plymouth race cars.    They were caught during inspection and forced to raise the cars.      When they were caught,  George Wallace, a Chrysler engineer cheerfully pointed out to NASCAR that Ford was doing the same.        The 1969 Talladega and Spoiler II street cars that followed came with the rerolled "short" rocker panels so they would be legal on the track.   A smart move by Ford.  

Remember that when Baker set the 200 mph record at Talladega,  that was with the best available car, with their best engine running as fast as it could.    He did not leave anything on the table.    Getting a Charger 500 to 200 mph at Talladega would have taken a significant horsepower increase (17.5 HP per mph) that was not there.   And the handling would be an unknown.   With engineering development between December 1968 and mid-1970,  they could have gotten a little closer.      No one ever got close to 200 at Daytona where the 192 mph C500 test was run.    
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« Reply #34 on: July 08, 2020, 10:18:47 AM »

As mentioned by Doug, to get to 200 required less drag.
The old 426 hemi, designed in 1963, was tapped out !! 
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