Trying to figure a budget...What are prices for clone parts? Wing nose etc.

[Charger-Bodie]

Just trying to see just how many years this is going to take.  

What are the current approximate price for the parts needed to to the job.

1. Nose(prefer steel)

2. nose brackets ,latch tray ,etc.

3. Wing (prefer the top of the line aluminum piece)

4 Wing support plates, and braces.

5 Deck lid hinges,close out panel, and etc.

Whatever else I have forgoton to mention.

Thanks Brian

[hotrod98]

Prices may vary due to vendor and quality level

Fiberglass nose $1500
Steel nose $7000 
Headlamp doors $300
Headlamp pivots $400
Vacuum pods GTO style $150 Yearone
Original style pods $300
Headlamp buckets $500
Headlamp vacuum harness $175
Nose to fender seals $175
Nose to hood seal $75
Nose seal kit  $150
Z-braces, steel $600
Turn signals, used $100
Nose brace kit $200 
70 Fenders and hood $1000
Valance $350
Fender scoops $300
Grille $50
Grille frame $200
Fender grille under scoops $25
A-pillar trims $350
Front spoiler $120
Wing, alum $1500
Wing washers $150
Wing braces $90 I sell them
Trunk closeout panel $250
Trunk hinges $250
Vega plug $100-$200
Daytona moldings, interior $100
Daytona headliner $90
Daytona package tray $70
Daytona jack, $50-$300

Total roughly 10K for parts.

[BigBlockSam]

i think i paid about $5000 . i made deals with other members on this board and they made me the parts i needed . top notch parts too . where you can save bucks is on the nose .they start at about $700 to $7000 . remember that's just for the shell .

the list hotrod gave you are for the higher end parts . which is great but i couldn't afford that vender .

so i had to find parts that where just as good or better in some cases . (dane's wing ) but cheaper. daytonalo, hotrod  and dane . make great parts . Rene

[hotrod98]

There are better deals out there for cheaper quality parts, but I prefer to stay with the better parts when possible. Generally they hold up better and fit better. I've come to realize that you get what you pay for even with wingcar parts.

If I can get enough people to commit, I plan to make another batch of wing braces and front support braces. Wing braces will be $90 a set unpainted and the front braces that include the frame brackets, latch tray support and valance support should be around $125 a set. Shipping usually runs $15 per set in the 48 states.
The wing braces are copies of an original set provided by bigblocksam and the front braces are copies of repros provided by Howie.

[BigBlockSam]

 quality is the thing  and ya gotta use metal z brackets and metal in all moving parts in the lighting system . glass won't take the abuse in the long run .


HEY HOTROD! get off the computer and go put the nose on your daytona . 

[Charger-Bodie]

There are better deals out there for cheaper quality parts, but I prefer to stay with the better parts when possible. Generally they hold up better and fit better. I've come to realize that you get what you pay for even with wingcar parts.

If I can get enough people to commit, I plan to make another batch of wing braces and front support braces. Wing braces will be $90 a set unpainted and the front braces that include the frame brackets, latch tray support and valance support should be around $125 a set. Shipping usually runs $15 per set in the 48 states.
The wing braces are copies of an original set provided by bigblocksam and the front braces are copies of repros provided by Howie.

Ill commit to a set right now,for starters.

[Blown70]

I have Larrys parts not on the car yet, no stared. BUT great parts!!!!

Wing Braces
Front frame, valance and latch tray support

Tom

[hotrod98]

HEY HOTROD! get off the computer and go put the nose on your daytona .  

Rene, I had planned on painting the wing for the Daytona clone this weekend. I got as far as final sanding one upright. I had also planned to make my wingwashers and install them and the wing braces. Didn't happen.
I did manage to disassemble the dash for the black 69 runner, primed all of the panels, front and back,  for an antique gas pump, sanded and primed a hood with custom stripes for a Western Star truck that a good resto customer of mine owns, repaired the turn signal switch in my wingrunner and moved the left exhaust tip up an inch on the wingrunner.
In addition to the work in the shop, I also made three trips into the city, mixed and tinited the custom stripe paint for the Western Star hood, picked up a rim blow wheel at a friends house over in Oklahoma for my son's cuda and helped my son-in-law with his Mustang engine. I also drove the wife's cuda into town at lunchtime today and then washed and chamoised it. I've been kind of busy. Maybe I'll get the wing painted as soon as some of these other projects are out of the booth this week.

Actually, I need to paint the Daytona parts to get them on the car and out of my way. They're taking up about 100 sq feet in my shop.

We're taking two cudas and the wingrunner to Branson in August for the Super Summer Cruise so I'll need to use what little spare time I can get to prep them for the trip. So many projects, so little time. 

[BigBlockSam]

as i've said to you several times before. you have to much work for one person . now stop with the excuses and get that nose on the daytona . 

[mopar_nut_440_6]

There are better deals out there for cheaper quality parts, but I prefer to stay with the better parts when possible. Generally they hold up better and fit better. I've come to realize that you get what you pay for even with wingcar parts.

If I can get enough people to commit, I plan to make another batch of wing braces and front support braces. Wing braces will be $90 a set unpainted and the front braces that include the frame brackets, latch tray support and valance support should be around $125 a set. Shipping usually runs $15 per set in the 48 states.
The wing braces are copies of an original set provided by bigblocksam and the front braces are copies of repros provided by Howie.

Ill commit to a set right now,for starters.

I will also commit to a set. Brian thanks a lot for starting this post.

[hotrod98]

I'll make a list of the people that need the parts. If I get even half of an order pre-sold, I'll go ahead and start on a new order of parts.
These wing braces will work on a Superbird as well. I can make some lower brackets that will look like the original lower Bird brackets, but won't be the exact dimensions. Very close though.
Here's a pic of my Daytona braces being used on my 69 runner with the steel repro Bird wing.

[roger440]

Prices may vary due to vendor and quality level

Fiberglass nose $1500
Steel nose $7000 
Headlamp doors $300
Headlamp pivots $400
Vacuum pods GTO style $150 Yearone
Original style pods $300
Headlamp buckets $500
Headlamp vacuum harness $175
Nose to fender seals $175
Nose to hood seal $75
Nose seal kit  $150
Z-braces, steel $600
Turn signals, used $100
Nose brace kit $200 
70 Fenders and hood $1000
Valance $350
Fender scoops $300
Grille $50
Grille frame $200
Fender grille under scoops $25
A-pillar trims $350
Front spoiler $120
Wing, alum $1500
Wing washers $150
Wing braces $90 I sell them
Trunk closeout panel $250
Trunk hinges $250
Vega plug $100-$200
Daytona moldings, interior $100
Daytona headliner $90
Daytona package tray $70
Daytona jack, $50-$300

Total roughly 10K for parts.

I notice that you make no mention of the rear window? Any reason?

Just curious. Ive got a 70 Runner to restore, but i keep getting superbird type thoughts 

[Blown70]

Roger440, use of a VEGA plug? ($100-200)  that takes care of window trim etc,  while not perfectly correct... well its close I would say.

For a steel one (plug), as original?  $2400?  With out window or trim yet.... guess you make the trim and then $400 or so I am sure plus for a window.

I am going with the vega route.... call me cheap

[moparstuart]

Roger440, use of a VEGA plug? ($100-200)  that takes care of window trim etc,  while not perfectly correct... well its close I would say.

For a steel one (plug), as original?  $2400?  With out window or trim yet.... guess you make the trim and then $400 or so I am sure plus for a window.

I am going with the vega route.... call me cheap

[dillon14]

I went with the Vega Plug. I paid $265 including shipping and it had very nice glass and trim.

[Blown70]

I went with the Vega Plug. I paid $265 including shipping and it had very nice glass and trim.

MAN I LOVE THAT BLACK and RED

[hotrod98]

Back in the 70's it used to get cold around here occasionally. People didn't have ice scrapers so they used kitchen utensils to remove the ice from their windshields and back glasses. So, as a result, most of the vega hatches are rust free but the glass is ruined. I managed to find a couple of them with good glass at a local salvage yard. I probably should have bought the others as well.  I might have found good glass from those rusted hatches up north.
I have three stored in the body shop but they all belong to Howie. That boy can find stuff like you wouldn't believe. 

[moparstuart]

Back in the 70's it used to get cold around here occasionally. People didn't have ice scrapers so they used kitchen utensils to remove the ice from their windshields and back glasses. So, as a result, most of the vega hatches are rust free but the glass is ruined. I managed to find a couple of them with good glass at a local salvage yard. I probably should have bought the others as well.  I might have found good glass from those rusted hatches up north.
I have three stored in the body shop but they all belong to Howie. That boy can find stuff like you wouldn't believe. 

hey I think one is mine unless youhave it stored somewhere else ?

[hotrod98]

I wasn't sure what they were here for really. I couldn't remember if they were promised out or not. Howie and I tend to do a lot of borrowing, loaning and general trading back and forth. We really need to start taking notes.
Kind of like my 383 roadrunner engine that I have stored at your place that I can never seem to get away to drive up and get.
Lord knows I've tried. 

[moparstuart]

I wasn't sure what they were here for really. I couldn't remember if they were promised out or not. Howie and I tend to do a lot of borrowing, loaning and general trading back and forth. We really need to start taking notes.
Kind of like my 383 roadrunner engine that I have stored at your place that I can never seem to get away to drive up and get.
Lord knows I've tried. 

well i bought the hatch from howie ,  the  wing brackets and nose bumper brackets and close out panel from you .  you should have all of that of mine .    your motor is safe and not in the way here .

[nascarxx29]

You can also find the vega type non vented hatchback doors on the Pontiac Astre.I had found daytona lo hatchback for $75.00 few years back .And they were all over And think it was 76 or 77 when that body style went away.And 72 73 used louvered lids

[Charger-Bodie]

You can also find the vega type non vented hatchback doors on the Pontiac Astre.I had found daytona lo hatchback for $75.00 few years back .And they were all over And think it was 76 or 77 when that body style went away.And 72 73 used louvered lids

I have a vega hatch and glass  but I do need moldings if anyone has a nice set.?

[BigBlockSam]

I couldn't remember if they were promised out or not.

yea and remember Larry , you have my satellite body superbird complete nose and wing  that i bought from you . 

[BigBlockSam]

but I do need moldings if anyone has a nice set.?

they come up every ounce and a while on ebay

[moparstuart]

I couldn't remember if they were promised out or not.

yea and remember Larry , you have my satellite body superbird complete nose and wing  that i bought from you . 

  well at least i can hold his 383  hostage 

[PocketThunder]

You can also find the vega type non vented hatchback doors on the Pontiac Astre.I had found daytona lo hatchback for $75.00 few years back .And they were all over And think it was 76 or 77 when that body style went away.And 72 73 used louvered lids

I have a vega hatch and glass  but I do need moldings if anyone has a nice set.?

Is 1977 the same?  If so i can get this for you this weekend as i will be driving thru Hudson.  $5

http://minneapolis.craigslist.org/pts/1257070693.html



Here is a 1972, the add says that he will sell parts off it.

http://minneapolis.craigslist.org/pts/1243512111.html

[PocketThunder]

This guys add is hillarious!

http://minneapolis.craigslist.org/cto/1275911568.html

"Buy it whole or parts....if you only need the door handle....it is $650 & you get the rest of the car....you get the idea"      

[hotrod98]

I couldn't remember if they were promised out or not.

yea and remember Larry , you have my satellite body superbird complete nose and wing  that i bought from you . 

  well at least i can hold his 383  hostage 

[moparstuart]

I couldn't remember if they were promised out or not.

yea and remember Larry , you have my satellite body superbird complete nose and wing  that i bought from you . 

  well at least i can hold his 383  hostage 

i guess i can never know what you and howie have traded my parts off  for ,

[mauve66]

I wasn't sure what they were here for really. I couldn't remember if they were promised out or not. Howie and I tend to do a lot of borrowing, loaning and general trading back and forth. We really need to start taking notes.
Kind of like my 383 roadrunner engine that I have stored at your place that I can never seem to get away to drive up and get.
Lord knows I've tried. 

and don't forget the daytona wing your saving for me, i almost have enough for shipping just a couple more weeks now...............................

[Howie]

Yep,  One of those vega hatches is for stuart and the other 2 are spares. I may pick up your 383 larry. I have to run up to K.C. sometime and pick up a straight axle for my `34 plymouth. That is true on trading. Larry and I have traded up and down and back and forth. Oh Larry, do you need a 9 foot longboard?  I will be bringing one home with me. Surfs up! .

[hotrod98]

That boy can find stuff like you wouldn't believe. 

I told you that boy could find some stuff. He runs down to Florida for a few days and brings back a surfboard. They're aint no sunny beaches in Claremore, Oklahoma. Well maybe a few but that's a different story. 

Wait a minute. You flew down there. Can you bring that back on the plane?

[moparstuart]

That boy can find stuff like you wouldn't believe. 

I told you that boy could find some stuff. He runs down to Florida for a few days and brings back a surfboard. They're aint no sunny beaches in Claremore, Oklahoma. Well maybe a few but that's a different story. 

Wait a minute. You flew down there. Can you bring that back on the plane?

he must be building a woody wagon next   

[Howie]

Nope. It is for my 32 rat rod. And it is as long as my rental car. Saw a magnum in front of ron johns that had the woodie effect and when I walked up to it it was all airbrushed. Oh by the way larry I am hooked up with a shaker hood for my cuda project. Dang its good to score parts on vacation. Now to daytona to catch a ride around the speedway.

[Charger-Bodie]

  If you's guys are gonna keep hijacking my thread, the least you can do is offer me a set of vega rear window trim. 

[moparstuart]

If you's guys are gonna keep hijacking my thread, the least you can do is offer me a set of vega rear window trim. 

if i had an extra set they would already be yours brian ,  I will keep my eyes out for you . 

[BigBlockSam]

if i had an extra set they would already be yours brian

  yep

[hotrod98]

I'll keep an eye out for a set. 

[Blown70]

If you's guys are gonna keep hijacking my thread, the least you can do is offer me a set of vega rear window trim. 

I would like to keep my two hatches complete... but If I do find another, they are all yours.

[Howie]

  Sorry Dude. I may have a set so I will check when I get home. What else are you needing. I have some parts that I am not going to use as I have upgraded everything I am putting on my car.

[FJMG]

  Figure a budget? Start with $$$, then add more $$$ and just before you start don't forget to add $$$. About halfway through the conversion you will need to stop and add double the amount of previously spent $$$. Then you take all the $$$ and divide by .50 cents/hr and you will come close to the req'd hrs. Your only compensation is that when you are done the total $$$ spent will be eqalled in chiropractic fees by onlookers wrenching thier neck for a second look.

   In all seriousness, many members here have/are bldg clones and they seem only to willing to help you! Good luck in your build.

[Charger-Bodie]

Dredging this thread up again. I need to know the best places to get the best parts at the lowest prices.

Im ready to start ordering stuff asap!

Thanks guys!!

[moparstuart]

 WHAT EVER YOU DO , GET DANES HOLLOW ALUMINUM WING   1625.00 LAID

 i  wanted nice steel stuff to load my nose , so i have been buying erik nelsons stuff a piece at a time .

I have the latch tray in steel and the valance in steel so far , 900.00 for valance  , 400.00 for latch tray  

erikjohnnelson@hotmail.com




 

[daytonalo]

If anyone knows of or selling a Janak nose please call me @ 609-315-2640

Larry

[BigBlockSam]

900.00 for valance  , 400.00 for latch tray

nice to have bucks , i don't think  a metal valance makes a big difference in a clone. yes all moving parts should be metal . i think my valance was $125 and it fits like a glove .looks great too . latch tray would be better in metal . cause it bolts to the top of the z brackets and radiator support and adds support to the nose . a metal nose is nice , cause you can say,  it has a metal nose ,  but does it make a big difference . not to me .i've seen metal noses that looked terrible. even on original cars . it's how you make it fit  Dane makes the best wing . hands down.

[bull]

Rookie question here: how does the trim and glass shape/size on the Vega hatch compare to the original trim and glass on the Daytona? Does anyone have a side-by-side comparison of an original Daytona rear window next to a Vega clone Daytona window? It just seems like a helluva coincidence that they'd be almost identical. Vegas really are good for something.

[Blown70]

Rookie question here: how does the trim and glass shape/size on the Vega hatch compare to the original trim and glass on the Daytona? Does anyone have a side-by-side comparison of an original Daytona rear window next to a Vega clone Daytona window? It just seems like a helluva conicidence that they'd be almost identical. Vegas really are good for something.

Bull There is a tread in the Aero section... you dont need a password your allowed in if you dont casue trouble in there..... hahahahah  I can try to find it for you too, but it has side by side pics... the VEGA is slightly different, but close.

http://www.dodgecharger.com/forum/index.php/topic,58876.20.html 

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Tom

[bull]

Thanks. That's a very informative thread populated by very detail oriented people.

[mauve66]

WHAT EVER YOU DO , GET DANES HOLLOW ALUMINUM WING   1625.00 LAID
erikjohnnelson@hotmail.com
 

he's just getting ready to do some more also, i'm trying to talk the wife into still.............. getting closer, she stopped yelling NO as soon as i opened my mouth........... oh wiat i was asking for something else that time........

[200MPH]

does anyone have a list of whos making what ?  
if you do not mind ?

Ps. Im new here haha  I know some of you Kansas, Missouri, Texas types
Not new to Chargers!

[Blown70]

does anyone have a list of whos making what ? 
if you do not mind ?

Ps Im new here haha  i know some of you Kansas, Missouri, Texas types

There is one here, I think if you search wing car suppliers.... I can find it later too if you cannot.

[200MPH]

i think i found it:
it had Janak ,dayclona, wing car fab listed  i was trying to find individuals who were making the parts  i saw some of the names mentioned like dane, eric nelson

[pettybird]

1625.00 LAID
 

that much?  I don't think I've paid more than...um...oops...never mind...

[mauve66]

1625.00 LAID

that much?  I don't think I've paid more than...um...oops...never mind...

not married huh?? i've paid ALOT more than that ...........................

[hotrod98]

If I can get caught up enough, I plan to make another run of Daytona parts. I'll make the steel wing braces and steel nose support braces. I'm going to try to make run of the steel wing washers if I have time.
If the steel prices haven't changed...
The wing braces will be $90 a set unpainted plus actual cost of shipping
Nose support braces which include the latch tray to core support brace, the valance to nose brace and the two frame brackets, will be priced at $120 a set plus actual cost of shipping.
The wing washer price has not been determined yet. Should know soon. I hope we can keep the price down. I think a lot of guys could use these.
They will not have the indentions like the originals but will fit and function properly. The fab shop wanted 5K to make a set of dies to punch the indentions so that's a no-go.
We're still trying to find a way to reproduce the steel deck lid closeout panels. I kept one to use as a template just in case. So far, the cheapest way that we've found is to make the panel in two pieces, left and right, and then weld them together, but even that's cost prohibitive.

hotrodcuda98@hotmail.com

[unrulyprocuda]

I have a dane wing for sale I now will have two of them and only need one Dane should be finished with it at any time just pay me and Dane will ship it to your house 1,625.00 hollow aluminum and perfect definately the way to go I Ordered one and one popped up on here for sale so i purchased it at the mopar nationals. you can email me at unrulyprocuda@aol.com or call me at 812-774-7800 cell ask for Bob

my dayton project

[unrulyprocuda]

Hot rod i will take a set of wing washers myself how soon do you think you would have some done

[hotrod98]

I'll check with the fab shop. I would guess within two weeks.

[Charger-Bodie]

Larry,

I also am counting on your stuff, So let me know when itll be ready.....Im full steam ahead on the metel work right now so the sooner the better for me.

[70daytonaclone]

Larry I would like a set of wing washers. thanks for helping us loyal hobbists.Stephen

[hotrod98]

The wing braces and front braces will be ready next week. The fab shop has lost the info on the wing washers and it looks like I'll have to start all over again on them. They were waiting on me to find out what gauge steel to use.

Does anyone happen to know how thick the original steel wing washers are?

My guess is .060, 16 ga.

[moparstuart]

The wing braces and front braces will be ready next week. The fab shop has lost the info on the wing washers and it looks like I'll have to start all over again on them. They were waiting on me to find out what gauge steel to use.

Does anyone happen to know how thick the original steel wing washers are?

My guess is .060, 16 ga.

i was going to guess 18   

[hotrod98]

The only thing I have to go by is the fiberglass version and of course that doesn't help at all.
I would think that the wing washers would have to be thick enough to help support the quarter under the wing. Seems like 18 gauge which is .048 might be a little on the thin side. But then again, maybe not.

[Blown70]

The only thing I have to go by is the fiberglass version and of course that doesn't help at all.
I would think that the wing washers would have to be thick enough to help support the quarter under the wing. Seems like 18 gauge which is .048 might be a little on the thin side. But then again, maybe not.

I was going to say 16ga., on a guess, to me 18 seems light to me but, I dont know the originals all that well.

[mopar_nut_440_6]

The only thing I have to go by is the fiberglass version and of course that doesn't help at all.
I would think that the wing washers would have to be thick enough to help support the quarter under the wing. Seems like 18 gauge which is .048 might be a little on the thin side. But then again, maybe not.

I would think thicker material would be better especially since the originals had extra contours pressed into them which provided additional strength that the repro's will not have. Just my   . Bear in mind I generally build overkill on everything and can see people sitting on my wing! Or at least my wife!

[learical1]

The only thing I have to go by is the fiberglass version and of course that doesn't help at all.
I would think that the wing washers would have to be thick enough to help support the quarter under the wing. Seems like 18 gauge which is .048 might be a little on the thin side. But then again, maybe not.

I would think thicker material would be better especially since the originals had extra contours pressed into them which provided additional strength that the repro's will not have. Just my   . Bear in mind I generally build overkill on everything and can see people sitting on my wing! Or at least my wife!

Your wife's not people?  Better hope she doesn't read that! 

[mopar_nut_440_6]

The only thing I have to go by is the fiberglass version and of course that doesn't help at all.
I would think that the wing washers would have to be thick enough to help support the quarter under the wing. Seems like 18 gauge which is .048 might be a little on the thin side. But then again, maybe not.

I would think thicker material would be better especially since the originals had extra contours pressed into them which provided additional strength that the repro's will not have. Just my   . Bear in mind I generally build overkill on everything and can see people sitting on my wing! Or at least my wife!

Your wife's not people?  Better hope she doesn't read that! 

Haha... She is a person not a people.

Correction: Or one person such as my beautiful wife! 

[hotrod98]

The wing washers that I built for my 69 runner were made from 5052 .090 aluminum. They worked perfect, but I would rather make these from steel so that they will look like originals. That is until you poke your head up under the quarter panel and look closer.

You're absolutely correct about the lack of contours making a difference. Personally, I think the originals were overkill.

Here's a pic of one of the aluminum wing washers that I made for the runner. They don't look correct since they don't have the steps at the trunk gutter, but reality took a severe left turn on this project before I ever got to the wing washers.  

[moparstuart]

 

[mauve66]

sure widh you guys a a 1st gen with all your metal working skills.......................... do ya think the washer is really needed to support the fender metal from pull out??

mines gonna have to be tweaked for the curve in ours

[mopar_nut_440_6]

sure widh you guys a a 1st gen with all your metal working skills.......................... do ya think the washer is really needed to support the fender metal from pull out??

mines gonna have to be tweaked for the curve in ours

I think the fender washer also provides support on the underside of the 1/4 as these wings will provide up to about 600 lbs of down force. Without something backing up the factory panel I could see the pressure from the wing causing damage to the top of the 1/4 over time. I also would just feel better knowing that I has some thicker material backing the wing up.

[Troy]

We're getting way off topic here but... if you adjust the wing correctly there's no down force (and, if you want, lift). Then you're only worried about the weight of the wing itself and any side loads from cornering. The washers spread the load from the exterior sheet metal and transfer any forces to the braces which, in turn transfer them to the chassis. Tying all these areas together should also provide some extra rigidity. With enough down force (ie high speed racing) the quarter would buckle which would defeat the purpose of having a wing in the first place.

Troy

[hotrod98]

The main purpose of the wing washers is to keep the wing from buckling the quarter when installed. The countour of the bottom of the wing isn't exactly the same as the top of the quarter.  With the washer it spreads the load out evenly over a larger area. I've installed wings with and without the washers and you can see the difference even without trying to move or shake the wing.
In my opinion, they are a requirement as are the wing braces. It takes both to support the wing properly.

If anyone decides to test the wing on thier stock vehicle at 200 mph+...
I would like to see a video, a copy of the police report and if available, a copy of the coroner's report.