Daytona Rear Trim??? >>>

[Charger Aficionado]

  This guy sent me this offering it as Daytona Rear window trim...   I know it's not...  What does it go to???  A R.R.

[y3chargerrt]

Looks like 70-74 E bodies.

[chargervert]

Those are 70-74 Dodge Challenger rear window moldings

[hemi68charger]

Yeah,,, definitely not C500 or Daytona moulding...   

Troy

[wingcars6970]

Not daytona or 500 .For certain ebody as mentioned.The corners from a 68-70 will work but the standard charger non flush back window trim wont work unless .You use 2 sets a dont mind extra lines.I was able on a superbird we had needed a top piece .Modified it from a regular b body piece of trim.With all these metal gurus stampung out noses and wings out of thick gauge metal and etc body hardware .Why hasnt anyone stepped up to the plate and repoed this thin metal so deseparetly needed.They have vendors for back glass and the plug .But not back window trim for 500/ daytona .Or for the superbird?

[hemigeno]

I've heard its under consideration, but not close to production just yet.

[dayclona]

With all these metal gurus stampung out noses and wings out of thick gauge metal and etc body hardware .Why hasnt anyone stepped up to the plate and repoed this thin metal so deseparetly needed.They have vendors for back glass and the plug .But not back window trim for 500/ daytona .Or for the superbird?

Dave/Wingcar69/70, ohh!............. that rear window trim is the "easy" stuff!.........we thought we'ed make the "hard" stuff first!................ ...........let's see.....all that's required is a driven edge roller/ former....oh about $25,000 used, some custom roll tooling..........$2500+...? A  heap of 304/316 stainless sheeting......"no problem".....cheap!...........and I got nothing else to do for a couple of months ,but stand there "practicing" forming that "thin" metal you so "deseparetly" need!....................................how about fiberglass repro's with that shine'y silver tape put on it?........yeah!!!!!.....that way it matches those "fiberglass" A-pillar mouldings out of  teXas

[69_500]

I'm sure it takes a lot of time and money to produce something like that. But in reality it would be most cost effective to reproduce the window trim to say a regular Charger, or a Road Runner or a something else. Something they could sell a few thousand copies of instead of 150 to 300.


But it is something I wish they did reproduce.

[Old Moparz]

[hotrod98]

Just one more reason to use the vega plug.

[69_500]

You think? The vega plug seem like an awful lot of extra work to me.

[G-Series]

Just an FYI, we've made a set of rear window trim already by fusing two pieces.  It's a lot of work/time to dress them out.  Hopefully before the Winter is out we'll have a few sets available.  Don't know the price yet, and we'll only offer them if they are durable enough.  More on them later.   

[69_500]

Thanks for the heads up.

[hotrod98]

I agree that the vega plug is labor intensive, but the advantages would be having the trim available, less expense for parts and cheaper to replace the back glass if broken.  The cost to go correct would exceed $3500 inc the panel, glass, moldings and shipping. Vega plugs can still be bought for $75.00. It's up to the individual as to how correct he wants his clone. It's still a clone no matter which way you go though.

[69_500]

True if you are going to clone a car, but me personally I'd prefer a steel plug, and a repro window. Just something about trying to make it as close as possible. I guess I'm picky, but I would want one as close as it could get.

[Ghoste]

Anyone have a good pic of the two versions side by side?  Just as a demo of how much difference there is.

[hotrod98]

One of the daytona repro parts guys told me that the back glasses that are available, are laminated like a windshield and are prone to cracking. Just what I was told, not sure about it though.
People that are familiar with the cars can see the difference between the panel and the vega plug. As for me, I really can't tell other than the moldings look a little different. The thing is, it will never be a real daytona no matter how much you spend. I just want a clone that I can drive without worrying about wrecking a valuable car.

[G-Series]

The only way the glass will crack is if you nick it as you install it or the trim and/or clips.  If you don't damage it, it shouldn't crack.  It will react like any front windshield...

[THE CHARGER PUNK]

who makes daytona repro glass neway?-MATT

[Charger_Fan]

At least there's not a rubber one in the middle.

[Highbanked Hauler]

 I've thought about using two sets of trim and see if I can find somebody to weld stainless steel and finish the welds flat.

[dayclona]

The thing is, it will never be a real daytona no matter how much you spend. I just want a clone that I can drive without worrying about wrecking a valuable car.

         You guys crack me up all the time with this clone BS!..................yes a majority of my customers are restoring "real" cars (all cars are real, no matter how they left the factory!) .....and some customers are building "clones" to pass off as "real" cars.......who cares!...............I feel any car, "real" or "cloned" is still a valuable car.........................if your building a car in today hobby, it had better be the best you can do! .....real, cloned, custom, restified, etc, etc,.............................and if you want to drive a car and not worry about wrecking it !.............please drive a 06 charger!



                                                                              Mike G. / DAYCLONA

[Ghoste]

Well, that isn't bad advice Mike, but for some of us, the pockets are shallower than others so the worry about wrecking a car becomes very real.   Yes, you can make the argument that if you can't afford to lose it, you can't afford to enjoy it, but that isn't the American way is it?

[hotrod98]

Why is it that no one seems to get the point?  It has to do with respect. I don't treat my clones the same way I treat my matching numbers cars. That's why I build clones instead of going out and buying the real thing.  I could care less if I wreck a 30k clone. I drive them hard. If I break them, I just repair them and go on. They're clones.   That's what they're for.     I won't treat my #'s cars that way.
Frankly, I'm tired of the B.S..
I think I'll just forget the daytona clone thing and put my R/T SE triple black car back original and save myself the headaches.

[wingcars6970]

Not everybody has deep pockets .And or wants or can to spend X amount of $$$ on these.cars that are in a very limited number of supply Me and a friend in TX had done these cars for fun and not such much for profit in the mid 70-s.So building a replica or AKA clone is fine.But typicaly not every guy will go with the high ended parts from various wing supplying vendors.Some go there own way and make or retro fit parts .As in the vega window plug thats the newest thing.The guy near me has the $$ to buy 69 charger500/daytona trunk hinges .But made his own from seeing the ones on my daytona.If your resourcefull you can make do.In certain area of construction.He got a stinger front nose kit .That needed to be reworked and rengineered right out of the box But taking that route allowed moneys to be spent on other items on the build up.Like on a solid casted aluminum wing.But as these cars are in such a limited number and in great demand .And low supply.Certain vendors enter this area only to captilize on this money making limited rising wingcar market.But if they cant sell enough units forhand,It doesnt pay even to tool up in some cases for a limited number of a certain part.So for example Mike and his business associate at 200 Sweet ave in pawtucket will have never generated enough$$$$$$ of these limited parts sales to ever buy the specialized window trim equipmentAnd in my opinion.Where as a devoted wing car guy like ted atleast makes a effort to get something outhere for example as to the remark made about plastic a pillars or rear window trim to the needing masses.!....................................how about fiberglass repro's with that shine'y silver tape put on it?........yeah!!!!!.....that way it matches those "fiberglass" A-pillar mouldings out of   teXas
.When nothing else was being made or available.Somewhere down the road there is going to be only some many real cars needing these parts from these$$ greed driven ego manic fabricators like Mike. Because they already go what they needed  from whats currently available.Or will there be enough salvagable clone donor chargers to become wingcars

[dayclona]

Why is it that no one seems to get the point?   It has to do with respect. I don't treat my clones the same way I treat my matching numbers cars. That's why I build clones instead of going out and buying the real thing.   I could care less if I wreck a 30k clone. I drive them hard. If I break them, I just repair them and go on. They're clones.     That's what they're for.        I won't treat my #'s cars that way.
Frankly, I'm tired of the B.S..
I think I'll just forget the daytona clone thing and put my R/T SE triple black car back original and save myself the headaches.

  Well this is where some people differ in the "hobby" ,.................I appreciate the time ,dollars, labor, love that go into building a car,.... #'s   matching, "real" BS.......or a "clone" ............I treat a clone car, the same as a #'s car,................they're   vintage mopars!, they where built only once!.....there's a finite supply!................and to have no "respect" for someones /own car because it's non#'s matching is BS!.................a true Mopar/car lover respects his/her Mopar/car regardless of it's heritage!.....clone or not!........In my opinion, it's the wannabe( regards of the $$ they have) the ones who believe in the #'s matching hype that have no respect for the hobby!.....because they're "investing" in a car(#'s matching!) only because of the "value"..........not the love of the car!.............all you hear these type of people say is : it's #'s matching, it's worth______?................where as the cloner( who loves their car) usally states: yeah, it's a clone, but I built it because I've allways loved these kinda cars!.......that's the kinda person that has repect for themselves! not an artificial invested #'s matching respect! that's bought or sold!...............is your mopar truely worth less because the #'s don't match, or it was not born an R/T or a Daytona, or a hemi whatever!....if you answer ........yeah.........your in the wrong hobby................................or in the hobby for the wrong reasons!........................................well enough "venting"......It's just that I have more respect for the "cloner" they go "the distance" for passion,....not profit!, a clone is built, like respect.............not bought like a number!.................so .back to the subject at hand(post).....

[Ghoste]

Well, that explains your other post a lot better (to me at least).  I completely misread it thinking you were dissing anybody who didn't go out and spend every last cent they had on a rare and perfect car and then turn around and beat the thing into the ground.
My bad.

[dayclona]

Not everybody has deep pockets .And or wants or can to spend X amount of $$$ on these.cars that are in a very limited number of supply Me and a friend in TX had done these cars for fun and not such much for profit in the mid 70-s.So building a replica or AKA clone is fine.But typicaly not every guy will go with the high ended parts from various wing supplying vendors.Some go there own way and make or retro fit parts .As in the vega window plug thats the newest thing.The guy near me has the $$ to buy 69 charger500/daytona trunk hinges .But made his own from seeing the ones on my daytona.If your resourcefull you can make do.In certain area of construction.He got a stinger front nose kit .That needed to be reworked and rengineered right out of the out of the box But taking that route allowed moneys to be spent on other items on the build up.Like on a solid casted aluminum wing.But as these cars are in such a limited number and in great demand .And low supply.Certain vendors enter this area only to captilize on this money making limited rising wingcar market.But if they cant sell enough units forhand,It doesnt pay even to tool up in some cases for a limited number of a certain part.So for example Mike and his business associate at 200 Sweet ave in pawtucket will have never generated enough$$$$$$ of these limited parts sales to ever buy the specialized window trim equipmentAnd in my opinion.Where as a devoted wing car guy like ted atleast makes a effort to get something outhere for example as to the remark made about plastic a pillars or rear window trim to the needing masses.!....................................how about fiberglass repro's with that shine'y silver tape put on it?........yeah!!!!!.....that way it matches those "fiberglass" A-pillar mouldings out of   teXas
.When nothing else was being made or available.Somewhere down the road there is going to be only some many real cars needing these parts from these$$ greed driven ego manic fabricators like Mike. Because they already go what they needed  from whats currently available.Or will there be enough salvagable clone donor chargers to become wingcars

                                                          






                       


Ohhh!.....................davey   wingnut69/70, you've had too much fiberglass resin again, those delusions are starting again!!!!!!just remember Ted(janak) created us "egotistical" vendors...............because of his false promises,years of waiting!...................and as far as the "shiney tape" thing, that's Ted's own words......sorry! do you doubt that


                                                                                                                                   mike G/ DAYCLONA

[wingcars6970]

So as Mike seems to believe we all have this much extra cash laying around to building a clone at will .How many clone daytonas on this charger board.Were built from using parts from them.






I held off commenting/ replying, so that I could give you an opinion from an owner's and "shop" perspective, from a owners veiw I believe in doing as much work as possible to defray the cost; I think one problem with us mopar owners is we have more than one project going on at the same time :yesnod:and we're trying to squeez the money between two or more cars! not counting just paying the daily bills of life,family,business, etc. etc. I think it's best to concentrate on one car at a time, devote the most your budget can handle to it , DO IT ONCE, DO IT RIGHT!,.......nothing sucks more than looking at your car 5-10 years later , saying to yourself , it needs new paint, or a fresh engine, or re-restoration!......face it , we're all getting older! how many times you want to keep working on the same car!
         
I'll brake down my last personal project, the green on green 1970 Daytona, also known now as the Walter Mellon "Watermellon" (see mopar collectors giude sept 2005 or DAYCLONA. com for pics) I had a pretty rusted hulk of a 70 charger, my friend pete(aka Chargervert) decided to save me the trouble of welding for the next two years! and donated a Texas rustfree shell ( or a roof and rear qtrs lol ) I allready had a few accumulated parts, but replacing everything , whether or not it was there! cost me  $30,000............major costs were 440/6pak.....$6000.........Keisler 5 spd.....$5000......legendary complete interior.......$2800......4 wheel disc brakes....$1200........$8000 year one ........for repro trim, nuts ,bolts, clips,....the "little" stuff that ADDS UP!......$3000 for paint/body supplies.........$1500 repo rallies/ polyglass........$2500-3000.... gas tank, radiator, suspendsion, exhaust, etc. etc..............fortunately, I make my own Daytona repros, otherwise add $12,000 in Daytona parts, then my total would be $42,000 plus.......and this is with several people (me ,Pam, Gary, Pete.......whom you all know) doing the work ourselves, and I mean every facet of the restoration is done "in house" no outside jobbers/vendors/shops..................Now from a "shop" perspective the LABOR COST ....to do a car like this encompasses the labor on the drivetrain, months of body/blocking/fabricating, interior work/assy. painting EVERYTHING not just the body.......and the biggest chore... assembly! all this would cost in the neighborhood of $60,000.+...................plus the cost of parts mentioned above!......so depending on what you can or cannot do or afford ,your cost will vary grealty!.....................................

                                    Mike G./ Dayclona Enterprises

[wingcars6970]

Well I can say this for my texas friend .He never had resorted to using his lovely wife or daughter .In his advertising or promoting his products.For his business and own benefit.He didnt need to solicit them.To make a sale.And never had to use unprofessional business taticts as.Your own words here speak volumes here
http://www.dodgecharger.com/forum/index.php?action=pm All these replys by you will be made available to the entire mopar community and through out the internet

[dayclona]

Well I can say this for my texas friend .He never had resorted to using his lovely wife or daughter .In his advertising or promoting his products.For his business and own benefit.He didnt need to solicit them.To make a sale

        Well..................davey,aka wingnut, what set you off now! more of your slanderish, irate, confusing, boomhower rants?................hey wingnut,... ever hear the old saying, if you got it flaunt it!, if she's a dog, keep her in the house!.........by the way! .I heard your friends wife/daughter is a homebody! good for them!

[wingcars6970]

.And never had to use unprofessional business taticts as.Your own words here speak volumes here
http://www.dodgecharger.com/forum/index.php?action=pm All these replys by you will be made available to the entire mopar community and through out the internet

[wingcars6970]

 I Dont know of any other vendors in business .That reply to the buying public in this form.Must be only you guys at dayclona.unless you have some similar ones from ted to his potential customers in this form.Very unprofessional
http://www.dodgecharger.com/forum/index.php?action=pm

[dayclona]

.And never had to use unprofessional business taticts as.Your own words here speak volumes here
http://www.dodgecharger.com/forum/index.php?action=pm All these replys by you will be made available to the entire mopar community and through out the internet

    davey.....that's interesting ................wingnut, it really is time for some medicine! you know what the doctors said!

[dayclona]

I Dont know of any other vendors in business .That reply to the buying public in this form.Must be only you guys at dayclona.unless you have some similar ones from ted to his potential customers in this form.Very unprofessional
http://www.dodgecharger.com/forum/index.php?action=pm
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I know this form of communication is alien to you davey,.........it's called a PM, a personal message; can you say that davey........p-e-r-s-o-n-a-l ? m-e-s-s-a-g-e,......it's what you do nowadays, when an other member PM's you, you PM them back....!!!!!.......and no I don't have any messages in this form from Ted, as he only likes his customers to spend hundreds of $$$ in collect calls to teXas to find out they're getting the run around of their life!....and no parts!........just send a couple bucks and a ?  ?s.a.s.e. ? to get a new yearly catalog!





DodgeCharger.com members, I applogize for wasting your time with this banter, but this is the only way davey/dopey knows how to communicate with me, although I find him humorous, I sure some of you don't! he'll go back to his hole at moparts shortly!

[hotrod98]

All along, I've been the one that cheered Mike and crew for building better parts. I even contacted him a few months ago with money in hand to order parts. I was a little surprised when he told me that he wasn't going to build more parts until next year. I decided to wait and order the good stuff from Mike next May and forego the other vendor's parts that needed a lot of work. I was planning to buy the good front end stuff from Mike, use the wing that I bought from Dane, use the wing braces that I built and install my vega plug. Good plan I thought, but Mike goes and disses me. Now I don't have a back-up plan.
Anyone know where I can get some good superbird parts?

[Ghoste]

Well, as much as I enjoy every episode of "Daytona's Of Our Lives", I still just would like to have a photo of the Vega plug and real plug beside each other for comparisons sake.  Even if it is somewhat obvious. 
I'll have to make it a project to get a pic like that next season.

[hotrod98]

Ghoste,
This is the best that I can do.
The green car is the real deal.
The red one is the vega plug.

[hotrod98]

Ghoste,
Thought you might be interested in this. It's a pic of one of Dane's cars showing the placement of the plug. You have to use a filler piece at the top and then make a lip for the trunk opening at the bottom.
Later,
larry

[Ghoste]

Thanks guys, that does help.  At least we're talking about Daytona rear trim again.