How much Daytona does $75,000 buy?

[Tom Q]

What kind of Daytona does $75,000 get me these days??

[Aero426]

What kind of Daytona does $75,000 get me these days??

A not good one.  

I can't think of any real Daytonas that are being offered in this price range.     But if there were, it would be a car with any combination of non-numbers engine,  missing important pieces, needing a complete restoration, or with a problem history.  

[hemigeno]

The last Daytona in that general price vicinity which comes to mind is Mike Borkowski's former some-assembly-required car.  IMHO, a pretty decent car for the price.  Those deals aren't too common though, and it's long-gone.

[Tom Q]

Thanks for the insight,
Will $100,000 buy a decent car then?
If 100K won't cover it, what should one expect to pay for a decent running driving car?

[hemigeno]

Thanks for the insight,
Will $100,000 buy a decent car then?
If 100K won't cover it, what should one expect to pay for a decent running driving car?

What's your definition of decent?

There are running, driving Daytonas that could probably be purchased for somewhere a little north of $100k, but they are not going to be recently-restored or pristine examples.

[hemi68charger]

Thanks for the insight,
Will $100,000 buy a decent car then?
If 100K won't cover it, what should one expect to pay for a decent running driving car?

OK, a shameless plug..  

Link to my V2 Daytona for sale

[Tom Q]

The buyer wants a rust free car.  Does not have to be #'s matching, color not important.  The car will be driven regularly, never to be a show poodle. NOM type car would be fine.

[hemigeno]

Rust free?     Good luck on finding that outside of a restored car.

Plan on $150k at the least, and up from there. 

[hemi68charger]

...The buyer wants a rust free car....

That's me on all original sheetmetal......   Opppps, Sorry Geno, yet another plug.........

[nascarxx29]

The last one I knew of from my part of town that was all there and matching numbers all original sheetmetal went for $100K.I think he let it go to K Burbach Il.Dont recall exactly what year it went.But it hasnt resurfaced restored yet as I know.And last seen it and heres its story
This one I refound in my town about a year ago .Guy sold it for $100.000 I was XX29L9B390014 matching numbers 4 speed F6 green.I saw it in 87 in Philadelphia for $25K.When Frank Kopevach had it at his body shop.Then I found it in Cherry hill NJ .Guy called me looking for parts.Said he had a daytona in cherry Hill.At that time I thought I was the only one in Cherry Hill with a wing car.and I knew the car already even handed the guy a zeroz of the buildsheet Frank allowed me to make a copy of.Where this car is today and what condition its in ??.Maybe one of our viewers can solve this mystery.The recent past owner thought it might have gone to Ken B in IL

[nascarxx29]

Other candidates in that $  ranged from the TX burnt toast daytona Muscle car finders barn daytona and NY drove off Cliff daytona.You wouldnt want those

[Mopar John]

I would like to throw in my opinion on this one. I feel that a 100% restored OE GOLD CONCOURS restoration car in todays money is around $250,00.00. Then lets use some factors that can be applied at any value and you'll see how easy this is. I will use Mike Borkowskis car and the bulldozer ravine cars as examples of how this works. I personally e-mailed mike about his car thinking it may have been a step up for me on my R4 Daytona. Mine is missing the broadcast sheet but Mikes was missing the original engine for sure and maybe the trans. So I would loose ground in my opinion. So here goes:
$250,000.00
-30% OE GOLD restoration
-25% matching engine complete ( block and all date coded parts )
-15% matching transmission
-5% original broadcast sheet missing
-5% original fender tag missing
-10% original Daytona specific parts missing ( complete nose, fenders, hood, deflectors, wing rear window trim )
So the Mike Borkowski Daytona that reportedly sold for $75,000.00 is right on!
$250,000.00 -30% OE resto -25% matching engine -15% matching trans = $75,000.00
Now lets take the ravine Daytona:
$250,000.00 -30% OE resto -25% matching engine -15% matching trans -5% broadcast sheet -5% fender tag
-10% original Daytona parts = $25,000.00 I think it would sell for something around that if it hasn't already?
The lower end cars tend to bring more than there worth when you consider how much it will take to make them correct and the fact that there arn't many entry level cars anymore.
Now you can do this:
HEMI add 150%
4 speed add 15% ?
console add 5%
warranty block add 10% ? CAUTION CAUTION? date code correct block add 5%
rare options and colors CAUTION CAUTION CAUTION!!!
Someone sold a 1 of 1 Superbird that was rootbeer brown and now I think there is 3 of them!!
There was a guy selling a torquoise Daytona 1 of 3 and now it's 4 or 5?
I thought I had a 1 of 1 Daytona with the fold down armrest but I've seen pictures on this site of at least 1 more!
So with all the cars not accounted for you could get hurt on this rare color/option stuff!!
I have rounded some percentages off but they could move around a little but I think I'm close.
I hope this helps.

[hemi68charger]

Shoot, Steve's old R6 4-speed with a lot of sheetmetal work and I believe not the original motor sold for $259,000 at Best of Show Auto last year, when the market wasn't anywhere near recovery... I would think my all original sheetmetal car would fetch at least a 100 grand less?

Oh... the joy.............

Troy

[Mopar John]

Troy,
You have your car for sale on Moparts and recently reduced the price from $175,000 to $165,000 to move it. I understand your trying to move up to a 4 speed car? If you use my value and numbers am I in the ballpark on your asking price?  
Mopar John

[hemi68charger]

Troy,
You have your car for sale on Moparts and recently reduced the price from $175,000 to $165,000 to move it. I understand your trying to move up to a 4 speed car? If you use my value and numbers am I in the ballpark on your asking price?  
Mopar John

Yes, there's a 4-speed car or F6 auto I could get. There's other personal objectives as well. I think the 25% reduction in value due to a missing original block is a little too much, but that's me.. I honesty would place more value weight on a missing tag than block. So many of these cars lost their original motor in the first 2 or so years. I think I'm more than fair enough in the pricing of my car. The highlight of it is it's overall body condition and the fact that no panels have been replaced. On top of that, she has her original interior sans carpet (that was replaced some time ago). Shoot, it's a little over $15k less than it sold for back in '07, so that's reflective of the downturned national financial condition. You've seen the car....

Troy

[Mopar John]

Troy,
I have seen your car in person and it's a very nice car! The original sheetmetal weighs in very heavy in my mind if you read my story. The original interior is a plus also! Your car has obviuosly had some level of restoration. But you go against your own defense when you say that "so many cars lost their motors in the first 2 years". Thats why my percentage is so high. But I think if you look at the add backs for a warranty block and or a date coded block and the date coded components it could lessen the penalty to 10 - 15%. To be fair I won't go back and change my original post but I will clarify here. In my parenthases where I state block and date coded components put
- 20% by the block and -5% by the date coded components to equal the -25%. So if a guy had a warranty block with all the components  -25% + 10% warranty block and + 5% date coded components =  -10%. I have addressed the original Daytona sheetmetal already but you could convince me to lessen the motor hit by a MAX of 5% and add original sheetmetal at 5% to include interior floor pans, trunk floor, extensions, rear valance and quarters.
John

[hemi68charger]

Troy,
I have seen your car in person and it's a very nice car! The original sheetmetal weighs in very heavy in my mind if you read my story. The original interior is a plus also! Your car has obviuosly had some level of restoration. But you go against your own defense when you say that "so many cars lost their motors in the first 2 years". Thats why my percentage is so high. But I think if you look at the add backs for a warranty block and or a date coded block and the date coded components it could lessen the penalty to 10 - 15%. To be fair I won't go back and change my original post but I will clarify here. In my parenthases where I state block and date coded components put
- 20% by the block and -5% by the date coded components to equal the -25%. So if a guy had a warranty block with all the components  -25% + 10% warranty block and + 5% date coded components =  -10%. I have addressed the original Daytona sheetmetal already but you could convince me to lessen the motor hit by a MAX of 5% and add original sheetmetal at 5% to include interior floor pans, trunk floor, extensions, rear valance and quarters.
John

My point about the original block is that these things don't grow on trees... I mean, if you compare two 383 Road Runners, both of quality restoration, but one with it's original drivetrain and one without, then yes, there's a broader percentage difference in value. But, on the scale of Daytonas, A12's, 'Birds, LO's and such, these in themselves are scarce... So, if I had two Daytonas of the same restoration level and worth, say $100,000 for the one with it's motor, I would be hard pressed to lower the other one to $75,000 just because the stamping on the block didn't match.. I guess I look at having the original block as the cup half full, not half empty....

You make very valid remarks... You should run for office... I'd vote for you... 

[pettybird]

Shoot, Steve's old R6 4-speed with a lot of sheetmetal work and I believe not the original motor sold for $259,000 at Best of Show Auto last year, when the market wasn't anywhere near recovery... I would think my all original sheetmetal car would fetch at least a 100 grand less?

Oh... the joy.............

Troy

you're comparing reality to a HUGE sucker that bought Steve's car...  that was a one-in-a-million deal.

[hemi68charger]

Shoot, Steve's old R6 4-speed with a lot of sheetmetal work and I believe not the original motor sold for $259,000 at Best of Show Auto last year, when the market wasn't anywhere near recovery... I would think my all original sheetmetal car would fetch at least a 100 grand less?

Oh... the joy.............

Troy

you're comparing reality to a HUGE sucker that bought Steve's car...  that was a one-in-a-million deal.

Hey Doug.... How ya doing along with your Mom?

Per my editting of my original ebay ad, guess the sucker's not a sucker? I see it on Best of Auto Show's website/ebay again........ Did Joe not sell it or is it back on consignment? It's on his sold-inventory list. As far as reality and one-in-a-million, that's all it takes sometimes since these cars, one person willing to pay the price. These pedigrees don't grow on trees.. Believe me though, I'm not sticking up for the high price one bit at all.. I personally think my car has the same overall value as that one, high or reality-low. (Ok,, maybe not quite as much, but darn close). With the Barrett-Jackson and Megum segment, all it takes is "one-in-a-million" to establish, to them, a new market benchmark. 

Troy

[nascarxx29]

Steves old R6 car looks like you can buy it know for $179K

http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/Dodge-Charger-Daytona-Investment-Grade-1969-Dodge-Charger-Daytona-s-Match_W0QQcmdZViewItemQQhashZitem53df03ab8eQQitemZ360223845262QQptZUSQ5fCarsQ5fTrucks

[Aero426]

Steves old R6 car looks like you can buy it know for $179K

http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/Dodge-Charger-Daytona-Investment-Grade-1969-Dodge-Charger-Daytona-s-Match_W0QQcmdZViewItemQQhashZitem53df03ab8eQQitemZ360223845262QQptZUSQ5fCarsQ5fTrucks

That's not Steve's car...  

It's the old Donna Schill  / Happy Daze car, 409058, Hemi Orange.        

[nascarxx29]

Ok my misread it mentioned Steves car in the description .The former black cherry car

[hemi68charger]

Steves old R6 car looks like you can buy it know for $179K

http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/Dodge-Charger-Daytona-Investment-Grade-1969-Dodge-Charger-Daytona-s-Match_W0QQcmdZViewItemQQhashZitem53df03ab8eQQitemZ360223845262QQptZUSQ5fCarsQ5fTrucks

Steve's former Daytona is the other one, the R6 foe-speed.

[xs29j8Bullitt]

OK, just for practice "price" my Daytona (which is not for sale).  Let's call it the AT&T Daytona due to an encounter with a telephone pole in 1979... 

I purchased the car in the late 1980s without any front end sheetmetal or engine/transmission.  It is a R4 Performance Red body color originally with a black interior and automatic transmission.  The wreck damaged the front sub-frames, and the engine dented the firewall, but the doors still open and close normally.

The fender tag & broadcast sheet were both present, but the broadcast sheet was for another Daytona...

Over the years I have purchased the following parts for the Daytona:

1) NOS nose cone (not a repro)
2) Used Z-Braces (needing minor repair)
3) Repro mounting channels and other minor parts for nose assembly
4) Excellent used pair of fender scoops (from a R4 colored car too)
5) Excellent used front fenders and hood from a 1970 Charger for modification to Daytona configuration
6) 1969 year code 440 engine & transmission
7) Various NOS, used, and repro parts not specific to a Daytona

Well...     WIW

[69charger2002]

if it is NOT for sale, then we should NOT be teased good sir!!