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Author Topic: ebay photo--what bird is this?  (Read 7836 times)
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« on: March 12, 2010, 09:14:30 PM »

 popcrn
http://cgi.ebay.com/KARL-GOULD-PLYMOUTH-SUPERBIRD-DRAG-PHOTO-CAR-NY-MOPAR_W0QQitemZ250592927083QQcmdZViewItemQQptZUS_Racing_Fan_Shop?hash=item3a58809d6b
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« Reply #1 on: March 12, 2010, 10:06:01 PM »

 popcrn popcrn  very cool find 


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« Reply #2 on: March 12, 2010, 10:34:34 PM »

I seen that superbird someplace else but smaller black and white picture.Also in picture I think was 3 Jims X racer daytona
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« Reply #3 on: March 12, 2010, 10:53:28 PM »

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« Reply #4 on: March 13, 2010, 09:54:07 AM »


http://www.wallybell.com/history.htm
In March of 1969, my old friends Ronnie Sox and Buddy Martin came to Vestal, New York to do a Chrysler Road Show at Karl Gould Chrysler/Plymouth. Buddy called and said: Join us for dinner. I did. Across the table, in all his splendor, sat Karl Gould, the host dealer. He asked Sox and Martin if this Wally Bell was a good racer. Gould apparently had heard of me. Sox answered: He's real good; Wally can drive. If nothing came out of this dinner but that, I would have been proud.
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1970 FY1 Superbird RM23UOA166242
1970 EV2 Superbird RM23VOA179697
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« Reply #5 on: March 15, 2010, 06:19:49 AM »

Hemi fred here in NJ owns a original Sox& Martin car and was Jacks werst crew chief.Being this superbird has a sox motor .I gonna run this past him for additional info
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1970 FY1 Superbird RM23UOA166242
1970 EV2 Superbird RM23VOA179697
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« Reply #6 on: March 15, 2010, 04:24:32 PM »

More to follow. After this inquiry for Karl Gould waiting on another email

yes and no. yes there are some details but off the top of my head I can't remember. however my good buddy Wally Bell drove a Sox prepared 69 Road Runner for Karl Gould in 1969 and I will get you whatever info he can supply. dropped him an email already and will get back to you ASAP.
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1970 EV2 Superbird RM23UOA174597
1970 FY1 Superbird RM23UOA166242
1970 EV2 Superbird RM23VOA179697
1968 426 Road Runner RM21J8A134509
1970 Coronet RT WS23UOA224126
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« Reply #7 on: March 16, 2010, 09:32:29 AM »

My friend Fred came through knowing who to ask Wally Bell was on scene when this Gould superbird was doing its thing


From: WallyCBell
To: Hemifred

Subject: Re: gould super bird
 



I had the deal in '69.
The Engine came from Sox&Martin ( I met Jake at the S&M shop after the AHRA race in Texas)'69. (Don Carlton won with it.)
Chrysler helped us some (Koffel)
Gould


brought Tim in
they put an automatic in the car(the '69) raced it a little then put the engine in the butt F'in' ugly nascar superbird..
I have no idea where Any of this stuff ended up..
that's my true story and I'm stickin' to it.


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From: "Hemifred
To: wallycbell
Sent: Mon, March 15, 2010 9:50:00 AM
Subject: gould super bird


wally what do you remember about the Superbird that Richards ? who drove it etc ? Sox motor Huh
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1970 EV2 Superbird RM23UOA174597
1970 FY1 Superbird RM23UOA166242
1970 EV2 Superbird RM23VOA179697
1968 426 Road Runner RM21J8A134509
1970 Coronet RT WS23UOA224126
1970 Daytona Clone XP29GOG178701
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« Reply #8 on: March 18, 2010, 11:08:58 AM »

I have that car. Here is a picture of it's current condition. I'll post more about it when I get a chance.

Cy


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« Reply #9 on: March 18, 2010, 11:13:26 AM »

Thanks for sharing neat retro paint job.I found the selling superbird ad on a freinds website www.prostockhemi.com
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1970 FY1 Superbird RM23UOA166242
1970 EV2 Superbird RM23VOA179697
1968 426 Road Runner RM21J8A134509
1970 Coronet RT WS23UOA224126
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« Reply #10 on: March 18, 2010, 11:15:49 AM »

I have that car. Here is a picture of it's current condition. I'll post more about it when I get a chance.

Cy

good picture !! thanks for posting !!  cheers
 looking forward to reading all about it & seeing more pictures  popcrn
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« Reply #11 on: March 18, 2010, 11:33:43 AM »

Cool! 
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« Reply #12 on: March 18, 2010, 11:48:45 AM »

I have that car. Here is a picture of it's current condition. I'll post more about it when I get a chance.

Cy
wow cool 70's paint job , and yes please tell us more about the car  drool5 drool5 drool5 drool5
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« Reply #13 on: March 19, 2010, 05:26:51 PM »

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1970 FY1 Superbird RM23UOA166242
1970 EV2 Superbird RM23VOA179697
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« Reply #14 on: March 21, 2010, 09:30:45 PM »

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« Reply #15 on: March 22, 2010, 07:56:37 AM »

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« Reply #16 on: March 22, 2010, 08:04:26 AM »

So how and when did the car makes its transistion for racing .To custom paint job as you show perched on the flatbed.Hemi Fred Sox and martin orig 72 duster owner/ collector and Jack Wersts former crew chief got in touch with Wally Bell for me .And had some info.Myself and the rest of this board is hoping to hear your story about this superbird
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1970 FY1 Superbird RM23UOA166242
1970 EV2 Superbird RM23VOA179697
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« Reply #17 on: March 25, 2010, 08:24:46 AM »

I have that car. Here is a picture of it's current condition. I'll post more about it when I get a chance.

Cy

I'm hoping the vintage paint stays on it !! Ultra cool !!
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« Reply #18 on: March 26, 2010, 08:35:10 AM »

 Sorry I’ve taken so long to respond to this. The car’s VIN is RM23ROA161573 originally B5, white bench interior, auto on the column. I spoke with Paul Messemer a few years ago. He told me he worked for Gould at the time. He said the car had 8 miles on it when they pulled the engine and replaced it with the S&M race hemi. Messemer told me he owned the car, he had Richards doing the driving. If you notice in the ad it is stated the car has “custom metalflake paint”. Although not the greatest quality, this is the only picture I have of the car in that first custom paint. A friend of mine who race at the same time and knew these guys and the car told me he thinks John Circus did the custom paint. Messemer sold the car to the Carpinet Brothers of Wyoming, Pa in (he believes) 1971. From what I understand they ran the car for a while, then put a 440 in the car and it was sold to Frank Obitz of Wilkes-Barre, PA. Frank had the car painted in its current scheme. It passed through another owner who removed the engine and sold it to me. There are at least 2 broadcast sheets with the car, 1 of which is visible under the front seat.


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« Reply #19 on: March 26, 2010, 08:50:37 AM »

Thanks for the updated info 2thumbs 2thumbs
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« Reply #20 on: March 26, 2010, 08:50:47 AM »

... He said the car had 8 miles on it when they pulled the engine and replaced it with the S&M race hemi...

Great story....... Maybe it was mentioned previously, but was the original motor ever found for the car?

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« Reply #21 on: March 26, 2010, 08:59:08 AM »

We got the vin maybe the motor will turn up.My friend Hemi Fred Owns a Sox car and was friends with Ronnie till his passing.Ill see it he knows where the motor went.Its a try and someplace to start looking www.prostockhemi.com.I thought the superbird in this garage shot Fred sent me a while back might had been your car.But it isnt.But there is a bird far to the right out of the picture to the right of the barracuda


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1970 FY1 Superbird RM23UOA166242
1970 EV2 Superbird RM23VOA179697
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« Reply #22 on: March 26, 2010, 09:26:38 AM »

Didnt see much else on that vin at this time .You can look up your cars vin here
http://wwnboa.org/vindb.html
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« Reply #23 on: March 28, 2010, 06:17:53 AM »

Still asking around .Maybe try this guy icon_smile_big
http://i975.photobucket.com/albums/ae240/Wingcars69/martin-1r.jpg
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1970 EV2 Superbird RM23VOA179697
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« Reply #24 on: March 28, 2010, 06:41:59 AM »

 popcrn cheers drool5 2thumbs
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