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Were any of the Charger 500 440HP engines originally "blue"?

Started by xs29j8Bullitt, October 25, 2010, 01:34:17 PM

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xs29j8Bullitt

Were any of the early 1969 production engines the turquoise blue color like used on 1968 and early engines?  I had always thought the HP engines in 1969 were always orange, and only non-HP engines like the 350hp 440 were the turquoise blue.

Over the weekend I came very close to buying a 440 for my C500, but noticed some items like the t/blue color peeking through and a the "HP" stamping being too large and having other issues.  The seller insists that the HP engines were t/blue for the first half or so of production (say though December 1968), then changed over to orange.  The engine assembly date is 11/26/68, which would be ideal for my C500... but with the apparent bogus "HP" stamp, I guess that I will pass on it.

At first I thought that there was no way he was right about the turquoise blue 1969 HP engines, but have found something that casts a little different light on it.  Check out the pictures in my second post in this thread from XX29L9B238099, just 28 units after My C500 XX29L9B238071.

First the engine that I was considering buying...
After 8 years of downsizing, whats left...
1968 Charger R/T, Automatic, 426 Hemi
1968 Polara 4Dr Sdn, Automatic, 440 Magnum
1968 Polara 4Dr HT, Automatic, 383
1969 Charger 500, 4 Speed, 440 Magnum
1969 Daytona, Automatic, 440 Magnum
1969 Road Runner, 4 Speed, 426 Hemi
1970 `Cuda, Automatic, 440-6BBL
1970 Challenger T/A, Automatic, 340 6 Pack
2004 Ram, Automatic, 5.7L Hemi
2009 Challenger SRT8, Automatic, 6.1L Hemi
<This Space Reserved for a 2016 Challenger SRT Hellcat, 8Sp Automatic,

xs29j8Bullitt

From Rick E's XX29L9B238099 block...
After 8 years of downsizing, whats left...
1968 Charger R/T, Automatic, 426 Hemi
1968 Polara 4Dr Sdn, Automatic, 440 Magnum
1968 Polara 4Dr HT, Automatic, 383
1969 Charger 500, 4 Speed, 440 Magnum
1969 Daytona, Automatic, 440 Magnum
1969 Road Runner, 4 Speed, 426 Hemi
1970 `Cuda, Automatic, 440-6BBL
1970 Challenger T/A, Automatic, 340 6 Pack
2004 Ram, Automatic, 5.7L Hemi
2009 Challenger SRT8, Automatic, 6.1L Hemi
<This Space Reserved for a 2016 Challenger SRT Hellcat, 8Sp Automatic,

tan top

seen  turquise paint underneath the factory orange , where its flaking off !  on a numbers matching  E series 440  in a late 68 SPD 69 charger R/T !  think i mentioned it  on here sometime ago ! or i might be getting mixed up !
 was a silver &  unrestored car  :scratchchin:
 perhaps they still had 68 turquise  R/T motors ! stock piled & the ones that were not allocated for !! the factory  painted them up  orange for the E series  model year  :shruggy: :popcrn:
****** EDIT********************
ok  been looking  for said info on charger  , thought i had it saved  ,  think it might of been on  mountainmopars site a couple of years back !!  ,  this might jogg some memory  of what i'm on a bout   it showed the driver side of the charger  from the back looking forward ,  original A4 paint  worn through to  factory  reddybrown  primer  on the flat  surfaces ! had  full wheel covers ,  standard SE type ! black top  &  stripe  !! two  or three pictures in the write up , had picture of matching  #s motor !!   just been pulled ,
     :shruggy: :popcrn:
Feel free to post any relevant picture you think we all might like to see in the threads below!

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BigBlockSam

I won't be wronged, I wont be Insulted and I wont be laid a hand on. I don't do these things to others, and I require the same from them.

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moparstuart

GO SELL CRAZY SOMEWHERE ELSE WE ARE ALL STOCKED UP HERE

maxwellwedge

I agree on the position of the HP as well - The rest looks ok. I have never seen anything but orange in 69.......even the magazine, PR and pilot cars had orange motors. The TNT motors in 70 were orange - wonder about the 69 TNT's.

dreamcatcher

I don t know if they were different but I parted a 69 383 car and it was blue.I do know it was the numbers engine to the car.
1970 Superbird Tribute 440 auto
1968 Charger 426 6 pack auto
1971 Chevelle SS Tribute 350 4 speed
1970 Mustang 351 C 4 speed
1969 GTO 400 Ram air III 4 speed
1972 Charger (soon 5.7 hemi auto)
1973 Charger 440 auto (U code)
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maxwellwedge

Quote from: dreamcatcher on October 25, 2010, 04:54:43 PM
I don t know if they were different but I parted a 69 383 car and it was blue.I do know it was the numbers engine to the car.

Just HP's were orange.

UFO

Is there a vin on the questionable block?
At least it will give you the application.

xs29j8Bullitt

Quote from: UFO on October 25, 2010, 06:34:25 PM
Is there a vin on the questionable block?
At least it will give you the application.

The seller says it is blank, but when I enlarged part of an engine shot there appeared to a partial VIN... see pad pic in first post.  Promised additional pictures have not arrived, so I am quickly losing interest.  I suspect that it is a 350hp 440 out of a C-Body... still a great motor to build, but not at the price he is asking.
After 8 years of downsizing, whats left...
1968 Charger R/T, Automatic, 426 Hemi
1968 Polara 4Dr Sdn, Automatic, 440 Magnum
1968 Polara 4Dr HT, Automatic, 383
1969 Charger 500, 4 Speed, 440 Magnum
1969 Daytona, Automatic, 440 Magnum
1969 Road Runner, 4 Speed, 426 Hemi
1970 `Cuda, Automatic, 440-6BBL
1970 Challenger T/A, Automatic, 340 6 Pack
2004 Ram, Automatic, 5.7L Hemi
2009 Challenger SRT8, Automatic, 6.1L Hemi
<This Space Reserved for a 2016 Challenger SRT Hellcat, 8Sp Automatic,

maxwellwedge

Quote from: xs29j8Bullitt on October 25, 2010, 08:38:16 PM
Quote from: UFO on October 25, 2010, 06:34:25 PM
Is there a vin on the questionable block?
At least it will give you the application.

The seller says it is blank, but when I enlarged part of an engine shot there appeared to a partial VIN... see pad pic in first post.  Promised additional pictures have not arrived, so I am quickly losing interest.  I suspect that it is a 350hp 440 out of a C-Body... still a great motor to build, but not at the price he is asking.
I thought it looked like a VIN in that pic as well.

xs29j8Bullitt

Anyone have any thoughts why turquoise blue is showing on this legit C500 block?...  Was the engine repainted early in its life?  If t/blue is over orange, why is not a speck of orange visible anywhere?  Maybe the block was vatted soon after new?!?  Just  :scratchchin:   :shruggy:

After 8 years of downsizing, whats left...
1968 Charger R/T, Automatic, 426 Hemi
1968 Polara 4Dr Sdn, Automatic, 440 Magnum
1968 Polara 4Dr HT, Automatic, 383
1969 Charger 500, 4 Speed, 440 Magnum
1969 Daytona, Automatic, 440 Magnum
1969 Road Runner, 4 Speed, 426 Hemi
1970 `Cuda, Automatic, 440-6BBL
1970 Challenger T/A, Automatic, 340 6 Pack
2004 Ram, Automatic, 5.7L Hemi
2009 Challenger SRT8, Automatic, 6.1L Hemi
<This Space Reserved for a 2016 Challenger SRT Hellcat, 8Sp Automatic,

UFO

New guy on the line? Ran out of orange?
Leftover motor from the previous run of hp build ups?

nascarxx29

Just a guess it be blue if the 69 motor had come with air conditioning.I got a 70 N 383 4 barrel coronet 500 and its H.P motor is original blue
1969 R4 Daytona XX29L9B410772
1970 EV2 Superbird RM23UOA174597
1970 FY1 Superbird RM23UOA166242
1970 EV2 Superbird RM23VOA179697
1968 426 Road Runner RM21J8A134509
1970 Coronet RT WS23UOA224126
1970 Daytona Clone XP29GOG178701

BigBlockSam

i have 6 440 hp motors from late 68 and 69 all orange . although the 68 440 matching # motor on my r/t was not orange.
I won't be wronged, I wont be Insulted and I wont be laid a hand on. I don't do these things to others, and I require the same from them.

  [IMG]http://i45.tinypic.com/347b5v5.jpg[/img

nascarxx29

Maybe a mid year motor as the 69 motors I had didnt have full vin :Twocents:
1969 R4 Daytona XX29L9B410772
1970 EV2 Superbird RM23UOA174597
1970 FY1 Superbird RM23UOA166242
1970 EV2 Superbird RM23VOA179697
1968 426 Road Runner RM21J8A134509
1970 Coronet RT WS23UOA224126
1970 Daytona Clone XP29GOG178701

tan top

Quote from: tan top on October 25, 2010, 01:58:23 PM
seen  turquise paint underneath the factory orange , where its flaking off !  on a numbers matching  E series 440  in a late 68 SPD 69 charger R/T !  think i mentioned it  on here sometime ago ! or i might be getting mixed up !
 was a silver &  unrestored car  :scratchchin:
 perhaps they still had 68 turquise  R/T motors ! stock piled & the ones that were not allocated for !! the factory  painted them up  orange for the E series  model year  :shruggy: :popcrn:
****** EDIT********************
ok  been looking  for said info on charger  , thought i had it saved  ,  think it might of been on  mountainmopars site a couple of years back !!  ,  this might jogg some memory  of what i'm on a bout   it showed the driver side of the charger  from the back looking forward ,  original A4 paint  worn through to  factory  reddybrown  primer  on the flat  surfaces ! had  full wheel covers ,  standard SE type ! black top  &  stripe  !! two  or three pictures in the write up , had picture of matching  #s motor !!   just been pulled ,



found picture of  charger i mentioned above !! thought sure i saved one of the motor also  :scratchchin: as it clearly showed terquise under the orange

you can see by this picture alone its a 68 SPD!! no headrests & black door handle buttons
Feel free to post any relevant picture you think we all might like to see in the threads below!

Charger Stuff 
http://www.dodgecharger.com/forum/index.php/topic,86777.0.html
Chargers in the background where you least expect them 
http://www.dodgecharger.com/forum/index.php/topic,97261.0.html
C500 & Daytonas & Superbirds
http://www.dodgecharger.com/forum/index.php/topic,95432.0.html
Interesting pictures & Stuff 
http://www.dodgecharger.com/forum/index.php/topic,109484.925.html
Old Dodge dealer photos wanted
 http://www.dodgecharger.com/forum/index.php/topic,120850.0.html

hemi68charger

Quote from: xs29j8Bullitt on October 25, 2010, 08:47:32 PM
Anyone have any thoughts why turquoise blue is showing on this legit C500 block?...  Was the engine repainted early in its life?  If t/blue is over orange, why is not a speck of orange visible anywhere?  Maybe the block was vatted soon after new?!?  Just  :scratchchin:   :shruggy:




I would think there was a bunch of 440 HPs laying around from the '68 model year. When the '69 model year begun, the then-painted-turquoise motors were painted orange in accordance with new criteria. So, were they actually placed into the cars with turquoise paint on the assembly line? Did a few slip out, maybe.. Was it within the Quality Control parameters for the '69 model run? Naaaaa..

This is just my hypothesis.  :think:
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66FBCharger

Quote from: hemi68charger on October 26, 2010, 06:30:14 AM
Quote from: xs29j8Bullitt on October 25, 2010, 08:47:32 PM
Anyone have any thoughts why turquoise blue is showing on this legit C500 block?...  Was the engine repainted early in its life?  If t/blue is over orange, why is not a speck of orange visible anywhere?  Maybe the block was vatted soon after new?!?  Just  :scratchchin:   :shruggy:




I would think there was a bunch of 440 HPs laying around from the '68 model year. When the '69 model year begun, the then-painted-turquoise motors were painted orange in accordance with new criteria. So, were they actually placed into the cars with turquoise paint on the assembly line? Did a few slip out, maybe.. Was it within the Quality Control parameters for the '69 model run? Naaaaa..

This is just my hypothesis.  :think:

If the engines were leftover 68s, we should be able to confirm that, since the casting dates would be early 1968 (probably prior to June).

'69 Charger R/T 440 4 speed T5, '70 Road Runner 440+6 4 speed, '73 'Cuda 340 4 speed, '66 Charger 383 Auto
SOLD!:'69 Charger R/T S.E. 440 4 speed 3.54 Dana rolling body

Charger-Bodie

Quote from: BigBlockSam on October 25, 2010, 11:08:58 PM
i have 6 440 hp motors from late 68 and 69 all orange . although the 68 440 matching # motor on my r/t was not orange.
440 hp engines were infact Turquiose.

I could see a few of them to have slipped through in 69.
68 Charger R/t white with black v/t and red tailstripe. 440 4 speed ,black interior
68 383 auto with a/c and power windows. Now 440 4 speed jj1 gold black interior .
My Charger is a hybrid car, it burns gas and rubber............

hemigeno

OK, I'll be the fly in the ointment of the leftover '68 argument...

Engine paint was applied after machining and engine assembly work was done, correct?  If so, then the engine ID pad would have been stamped prior to the engine ever having been painted either turquoise or orange.  A leftover '68 model year engine would have had a D440 stamp, not E440 - plus the engine assembly date would have been July or earlier in 1968, not Nov 26th of 1968.

:Twocents:

Charger-Bodie

Im not so much saying the engines could be leftover . more like the technique possibly. Like wow we have a ton of this turquoise paint left. Might as well use it.
68 Charger R/t white with black v/t and red tailstripe. 440 4 speed ,black interior
68 383 auto with a/c and power windows. Now 440 4 speed jj1 gold black interior .
My Charger is a hybrid car, it burns gas and rubber............

moparchris

Just a thought on this thread.  If the date/assy codes match what you are looking for and the block in question meets your particular parameters, what difference does it really make whether it was painted blue or orange 41 years ago?  You're going to tank it, machine it, assemble it and finally paint it.  At that point how could it really matter?  I get how everyone wants to be correct, and yes I am anal on my cars too, but at what point is enough enough?  :icon_smile_question:

Charger-Bodie

Quote from: moparchris on October 26, 2010, 04:16:34 PM
Just a thought on this thread.  If the date/assy codes match what you are looking for and the block in question meets your particular parameters, what difference does it really make whether it was painted blue or orange 41 years ago?  You're going to tank it, machine it, assemble it and finally paint it.  At that point how could it really matter?  I get how everyone wants to be correct, and yes I am anal on my cars too, but at what point is enough enough?  :icon_smile_question:


I think his concern is the possiblity of it being tampered with or restamped. Just trying not to get burned Im thinking.
68 Charger R/t white with black v/t and red tailstripe. 440 4 speed ,black interior
68 383 auto with a/c and power windows. Now 440 4 speed jj1 gold black interior .
My Charger is a hybrid car, it burns gas and rubber............

moparstuart

Quote from: 1HotDaytona on October 26, 2010, 04:21:02 PM
Quote from: moparchris on October 26, 2010, 04:16:34 PM
Just a thought on this thread.  If the date/assy codes match what you are looking for and the block in question meets your particular parameters, what difference does it really make whether it was painted blue or orange 41 years ago?  You're going to tank it, machine it, assemble it and finally paint it.  At that point how could it really matter?  I get how everyone wants to be correct, and yes I am anal on my cars too, but at what point is enough enough?  :icon_smile_question:


I think his concern is the possiblity of it being tampered with or restamped. Just trying not to get burned Im thinking.
yes i 'm sure if the HP stamping was correct he would have already bought it , the paint issue was a by product of the HP question   :Twocents:
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