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Buddy Baker's 200mph run

Started by tan top, October 09, 2011, 06:07:42 PM

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tan top

 always wondered if this  existed on film  ,   shame the commentator is talking over the sound of the Hemi all the time  , 
but you can still hear it if you crank up the sound  :drool5: :yesnod:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vdwhM5xB-8Y
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WINGIN IT


Very cool.
Love the way the announcer describes the car 30 secs in his " wing-ed Dodge ... "   :2thumbs:


held1823

isn't the announcer Chris Economaki?  i wonder if he recalls that day?
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41husk

Very cool, I always thought he broke the record in the red 6 car :popcrn: :popcrn: :popcrn:
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C5X DAYTONA

Quote from: held1823 on October 09, 2011, 07:19:46 PM
isn't the announcer Chris Economaki?  i wonder if he recalls that day?
I was thinking Chris too until Doug said Jim.    Jim is correct.  That is my final answer..        And Tan Top...  You sir, are the man...    Thanks for the find/post.   AWESOME...     
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68X426

Thank you Tan Top. That's the Post of the Year:2thumbs:



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Aero426

Quote from: held1823 on October 09, 2011, 07:19:46 PM
isn't the announcer Chris Economaki?  i wonder if he recalls that day?

The announcer is Jim McKay, not Chris.  

nascarxx29

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1970 Coronet RT WS23UOA224126
1970 Daytona Clone XP29GOG178701

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nascarxx29

1969 R4 Daytona XX29L9B410772
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1970 FY1 Superbird RM23UOA166242
1970 EV2 Superbird RM23VOA179697
1968 426 Road Runner RM21J8A134509
1970 Coronet RT WS23UOA224126
1970 Daytona Clone XP29GOG178701

Golden-Arm

Quote from: 41husk on October 09, 2011, 07:39:57 PM
Very cool, I always thought he broke the record in the red 6 car :popcrn: :popcrn: :popcrn:


he did. the first record was just for a stock car, in a closed course record. he was the first driver to go 200 mph in a closed course, with a "stock" car. he was also the first driver to go 200 mph in a race, this time with the red #6 at the southern 500. :scratchchin:

Aero426

Quote from: Golden-Arm on October 10, 2011, 12:12:25 PM
Quote from: 41husk on October 09, 2011, 07:39:57 PM
Very cool, I always thought he broke the record in the red 6 car :popcrn: :popcrn: :popcrn:


he did. the first record was just for a stock car, in a closed course record. he was the first driver to go 200 mph in a closed course, with a "stock" car. he was also the first driver to go 200 mph in a race, this time with the red #6 at the southern 500. :scratchchin:


As mentioned the official closed course record was set in the blue #88 test Daytona owned by Chrysler.    But you will often see the record associated with the Owens #6 car, even in old magazines from back then.    But there is no connection to the #6 car in regards to the record.

As to the 200 mph race lap claim, period race reports clearly mention laps approaching 200 mph at the spring Talladega race in 1970, but not over 200.    Race laps over 200 would have been a significant event and been reported.     The claim has been made in recent years that a 200 mph lap was seen on a team stopwatch.   But that is not the same as official timing.   In other words, it is meaningless.

oldcarnut

Thanks for the post  :2thumbs:.  Some other good clips on the side too.

DAY CLONA

Quote from: Golden-Arm on October 10, 2011, 12:12:25 PM
Quote from: 41husk on October 09, 2011, 07:39:57 PM
Very cool, I always thought he broke the record in the red 6 car :popcrn: :popcrn: :popcrn:


he did. the first record was just for a stock car, in a closed course record. he was the first driver to go 200 mph in a closed course, with a "stock" car. he was also the first driver to go 200 mph in a race, this time with the red #6 at the southern 500. :scratchchin:



Actually, the first driver/car to go OVER 200 mph in a closed course was a Bill Thomas Cheetah in 1965 at Daytona, the course was offered for just test runs of Thomas's 327 chevy powered "production" Cheetah (1500 lbs curb weight)...his unoffiicial run was 219 mph

held1823

Quote from: Aero426 on October 10, 2011, 10:17:09 AM
Quote from: held1823 on October 09, 2011, 07:19:46 PM
isn't the announcer Chris Economaki?  i wonder if he recalls that day?

The announcer is Jim McKay, not Chris.  

ah, yes. i was thinking my guess was likely wrong, but for the life of me, i could not remember that name.
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tan top

 :2thumbs:  :cheers:
   still amazed of actually seeing this  after reading about it & looking at pictures for as long at i can remember  :yesnod:
its had  not been on youtube long by the looks of it , can't figure why it never came up before  , i'm always running chargers C500s daytonas  , superbirds & the grandnational drivers from back in the day on different search engines to see what comes up  :yesnod: :shruggy:
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A while back I searched and found Video files.Of people involved with wing car racing and veteran drivers and there storys.This stuff needs to be down loaded and saved .Before it disapears    

http://www.checkerstowreckers.com/old%20site/podcast.html
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1970 EV2 Superbird RM23UOA174597
1970 FY1 Superbird RM23UOA166242
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1969 R4 Daytona XX29L9B410772
1970 EV2 Superbird RM23UOA174597
1970 FY1 Superbird RM23UOA166242
1970 EV2 Superbird RM23VOA179697
1968 426 Road Runner RM21J8A134509
1970 Coronet RT WS23UOA224126
1970 Daytona Clone XP29GOG178701

tan top

 
Quote from: nascarxx29 on October 11, 2011, 07:25:44 AM
A while back I searched and found Video files.Of people involved with wing car racing and veteran drivers and there storys.This stuff needs to be down loaded and saved .Before it disapears    

http://www.checkerstowreckers.com/old%20site/podcast.html
Quote from: nascarxx29 on October 11, 2011, 07:35:18 AM
Another good piece of vintage daytona footage in action  :Twocents:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rdcPSDunrtA



:2thumbs:  they are good links  !!  :cheers: :yesnod:
the bobby isacc  daytona  one  was is awesome !!  was the same deal as the buddy baker  # 88  daytona  , read about it & looking at  pictures for years   ,   but seeing  the  # 71 daytona on the salt  in real life  well you know what i mean    :o   !!  that was one of the first videos i saw on the internet when i got a computer prolly  8 or 9  years back :yesnod:  shame there was no sound !!


Quote from: oldcarnut on October 10, 2011, 01:18:37 PM
Thanks for the post  :2thumbs:.  Some other good clips on the side too.
:2thumbs:
yes there are good clips !!  seem to be a few new ones  added every once in a while !! lot are from videos you can buy !! but a lot  must be from someones privite collection or something
:scratchchin:
 
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chargergirl

Those Mopars ran too fast and got banned...hehee...wonder what will happen this time?
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I love that 88# car, isnt it petty blue which is the same as corporation blue?

Bob T

Good clip Tan  :2thumbs:
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Aero426

Quote from: chargergirl on October 11, 2011, 07:49:45 PM
Those Mopars ran too fast and got banned...hehee...wonder what will happen this time?

For the record, the aerodynamic Fords also got banned.   Just sayin.

Aero426

Quote from: THE CHARGER PUNK on October 20, 2011, 08:54:41 PM
I love that 88# car, isnt it petty blue which is the same as corporation blue?

Corporation Blue is accepted as Petty Blue on the street cars, but it's really not exactly the same as the race car color.    If you want to step into a real hornets nest,  ask ten model car builders what the "correct" shade of Petty Blue is.  :smilielol:

learical1

Doug, that picture of Lee Roy reminded me of several stories about why Ford ran the exhaust out the rear instead of the usual side exit for some races.  Rumors about messing with the ability of another car to draft or the rear car in a draft overheating because hot exhaust was passing through the radiator.  :shruggy:  Don't mean to hijack this thread, but enquiring minds (at least mine) want to know the straight dope.
Bruce

Aero426

As far as I know Bruce, it was to make drafting more difficult.   I don't know if there was a performance advantage.   I have never seen a document as such.     I have to say, those pipes out the back are a good looking setup.

RTDaddy

Herb Nab ran those pipes out the back specifically to overheat a car drafting Leeroy.  Nascar out-lawed the practice because it was thought the drafting driver might get "gassed" by the CO2, (and it tended to defeat the "slingshot.").

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Aero426

It worked equally well for Dodges too.    These were allowed in USAC into at least 1972. 

tan top

Quote from: Aero426 on October 21, 2011, 03:03:52 PM
It worked equally well for Dodges too.    These were allowed in USAC into at least 1972.  

am i right in thinking  this yellow & black daytona   , must be the  chrysler engineering #88 daytona   :scratchchin: :popcrn: never realised it before  :o

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Aero426

Quote from: tan top on October 21, 2011, 03:32:43 PM
Quote from: Aero426 on October 21, 2011, 03:03:52 PM
It worked equally well for Dodges too.    These were allowed in USAC into at least 1972.  

am i right in thinking  this yellow & black daytona   , must be the  chrysler engineering #88 daytona   :scratchchin: :popcrn: never realised it before  :o

http://www.dodgecharger.com/forum/index.php/topic,85143.175.html

It's not the same car.    The #88 was given to Don by Ronney Householder in 1971 to run on his own.  You will see it as car #5.    It has nothing to do with any car that Don White drove before 1971.

Don's #3 Daytona was a car he drove in 1970 for Ray Nichels as the factory Dodge in USAC.   No doubt it was his long track Charger 500 in 1969 (he had two cars) and likely was a '68 Charger race car the year before.    In 1971, Ray Nichels sold this car to Butch Hartman's team.  So it then became a #75 Hartman car joining the very competent Nichels built car they already had.   I was told that the Hartman's paid $25k  (heap big money for a three year old car),  because the car was perceived to have the latest tweaks as the factory ride.   Whereabouts today are unknown.  

The 1970 car that I am blathering on about can always be identified by the two square cooling openings below the headlights.   It often has a little lip of metal added to the top of the LH headlight opening to grab a little more air, and it often ran the square cooling ducts attached to the drivers.    The cooling vents are the give-away.   On the wing upright is the word "Chiquita", as a "flying banana" reference.

tan top

Quote from: Aero426 on October 21, 2011, 06:55:35 PM
Quote from: tan top on October 21, 2011, 03:32:43 PM
Quote from: Aero426 on October 21, 2011, 03:03:52 PM
It worked equally well for Dodges too.    These were allowed in USAC into at least 1972.  

am i right in thinking  this yellow & black daytona   , must be the  chrysler engineering #88 daytona   :scratchchin: :popcrn: never realised it before  :o

http://www.dodgecharger.com/forum/index.php/topic,85143.175.html

It's not the same car.    The #88 was given to Don by Ronney Householder in 1971 to run on his own.  You will see it as car #5.    It has nothing to do with any car that Don White drove before 1971.

Don's #3 Daytona was a car he drove in 1970 for Ray Nichels as the factory Dodge in USAC.   No doubt it was his long track Charger 500 in 1969 (he had two cars) and likely was a '68 Charger race car the year before.    In 1971, Ray Nichels sold this car to Butch Hartman's team.  So it then became a #75 Hartman car joining the very competent Nichels built car they already had.   I was told that the Hartman's paid $25k  (heap big money for a three year old car),  because the car was perceived to have the latest tweaks as the factory ride.   Whereabouts today are unknown.  

The 1970 car that I am blathering on about can always be identified by the two square cooling openings below the headlights.   It often has a little lip of metal added to the top of the LH headlight opening to grab a little more air, and it often ran the square cooling ducts attached to the drivers.    The cooling vents are the give-away.   On the wing upright is the word "Chiquita", as a "flying banana" reference.


:popcrn: oh right !!  thanks for sharing the info (Aero426)  :cheers: :cheers: appreciated ! love reading about this kind of Aero stuff  :popcrn:
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C5HM

Quote from: Aero426 on October 21, 2011, 09:57:10 AM
As far as I know Bruce, it was to make drafting more difficult.   I don't know if there was a performance advantage.   I have never seen a document as such.     I have to say, those pipes out the back are a good looking setup.

Doug, Per the dyno sheets I have seen from H&M, the long dumps were good for another 20-30 HP.