Market that low? Come on,,,,

[hemi68charger]

Market that low? Come on, $86,100? Or, is mine that pathetic? I know a lot of you have been following this latest edition of the "Troy trade"... Looks like I'll be keeping my V2 and not getting the other one at this rate.. May try a broker this time. Guess people want me to give it away? OK ok...... Yes, I know some out there would love for me to give it away...  

I'll just save up and put a 426 Hemi in it or sell the 500 and use the money for a R/T and 426......  

EDIT: It was my ebay auction that got only to $86,100 for the Daytona, sorry for any confusion....

[A383Wing]

I'll be first in line when you decide to give it away....

Bryan  (might be a long wait, huh?)

[Davtona]

What car sold for $86,100? Hard to follow you here.

[jaak]

What car sold for $86,100? Hard to follow you here.

I think he put it on eBay and that was the highest bid he got on it.

Jason

[Cooter]

Dang.

[moparstuart]

  :brickwall:oh and i'll also get in line for the raffle     

[A383Wing]

you are bringing the popcorn Stu....unless you ate it all

[moparstuart]

you are bringing the popcorn Stu....unless you ate it all

[hemi68charger]

What car sold for $86,100? Hard to follow you here.

I think he put it on eBay and that was the highest bid he got on it.

Jason

[Hemi Runner]

Very hard to follow... was it the 500 listed in your sig? Those cars may be rare, but they just don't set themselves apart from a standard charger enough to interest me much.

[WINGIN IT]

The market simply ain't what it used to be...
And unless someone is getting in on the ground floor, most  buyers would prefer a 4 speed  (no offense to yours of course     )

[72Charger-SE]

Out of curiosity... what 'should' the car bring in a 'good' market?

[hemi68charger]

Very hard to follow... was it the 500 listed in your sig? Those cars may be rare, but they just don't set themselves apart from a standard charger enough to interest me much.

Sorry, it was my Daytona.......

Out of curiosity... what 'should' the car bring in a 'good' market?

That's as "debatable" apparently as the Presidential debates......  But ultimately, it boils down to what someone's willing to spend..............

[charger_fan_4ever]

or sell the 500

Hopefully the stars will be aligned and i can buy it . 

[1970Moparmann]

Troy,

I can hook you up with a consignment place in Chicago who is very connected into Mopar collectors.  He sells majority of his cars overseas.  PM me if interested.

On a side note, each time I look at a picture of your car, in my head I add up any possible way to get to a close amount to buy it off of you, and it never works.  I wish I could come up with the $$ - LOVE YOUR CAR.

On day in the future I hope to have a wing car

[69charger2002]

well it's surely worth way more tha 86k. you only get a select few of potential buyers on a car like that during a random 1 week ebay auction. cars like that usually sell through major auction houses in person. that car is very nice and it will sell. it just takes that ONE person, of course you know that. Keep plugging away, it will eventually find it's correct home. i'd love to have it, but i just can't pay 6 figures for a car.. any car. if there ever was one, a hemi orange daytona would be ideal.

[WINGIN IT]

Out of curiosity... what 'should' the car bring in a 'good' market?

That's as "debatable" apparently as the Presidential debates......  But ultimately, it boils down to what someone's willing to spend..............
[/quote]


It's all about getting the right azz for the seat.  Some people want a fun driveable car, and with the mods Troy has done , that's what they would get. Some want exact factory specs and just have it to collect and occasionally show.   The former might appeal to the European market if the video of that guy floggin' is Charger in Finland (or was it Germany?) is any indication...

[Highbanked Hauler]

The market simply ain't what it used to be...


 I think that is what it is  also, the customer base  is changing.

[nascarxx29]

It comes down to what one will offer and other can accept

[Aero426]

An Ebay auction on a car is rarely a barometer of the market.   It is a classified ad.  No more, no less.    

Troy, it has been suggested in the recent past that the best thing you can do for the short term is take the car off the market.   I agree with this.

Also, I feel that the continuous discussion of failed marketing efforts DOES have the potential to unfairly devalue your car.    It has been on the market too long.  It is like a stale real estate listing.   If I may be blunt, the threads like this can plant the IMPRESSION that something is wrong with your car and that the market MIGHT really be that bad.   All of us here know that your Daytona is a fine machine.    I don't think the market is that bad, although it is still softer than you would like. 

Enough of us know the car is available.  Eventually I can see it selling through word of mouth.  

[Indygenerallee]

You ever tried taking it to Mecum or BJ??? I would try that first! Only luck I have ever had selling a vehicle on Ebay was a Rollback I sold about 2 years ago and that was it, I tried selling a "Fast and the Furious" Green Mitsubishi Eclipse I built back in 2004 and nothing but kids bidding it up with monopoly money.....

[hemi68charger]

An Ebay auction on a car is rarely a barometer of the market.   It is a classified ad.  No more, no less.    

Troy, it has been suggested in the recent past that the best thing you can do for the short term is take the car off the market.   I agree with this.

Also, I feel that the continuous discussion of failed marketing efforts DOES have the potential to unfairly devalue your car.    It has been on the market too long.  It is like a stale real estate listing.   If I may be blunt, the threads like this can plant the IMPRESSION that something is wrong with your car and that the market MIGHT really be that bad.   All of us here know that your Daytona is a fine machine.    I don't think the market is that bad, although it is still softer than you would like.  

Enough of us know the car is available.  Eventually I can see it selling through word of mouth.  

I hear ya Doug.. The time I have to get the other one is limited... But, if it's meant to be, it will... Otherwise... You know................. I still have it..

You ever tried taking it to Mecum or BJ??? I would try that first! Only luck I have ever had selling a vehicle on Ebay was a Rollback I sold about 2 years ago and that was it, I tried selling a "Fast and the Furious" Green Mitsubishi Eclipse I built back in 2004 and nothing but kids bidding it up with monopoly money.....

I hear that the fees and consignment percentages are crazy expensive..  I'd have to reserve the car for MUCH higher dollars to get what I need and you see where the market is now...

[WINGIN IT]

  "The market simply ain't what it used to be..."

" I think that is what it is  also, the customer base  is changing.  "

"It comes down to what one will offer and other can accept  "

Market saturation ( per Doug's reply)

I agree with all of the above .

Same with the F6 auto Daytona in Indiana (and in the For Sale section ). 
I'm sure it'll sell eventually.

[hemi68charger]

Same with the F6 auto Daytona in Indiana (and in the For Sale section ). 
I'm sure it'll sell eventually.

Yeap... That's my friend's F6.. We hung out with each other at the last AeroWarriors Meet at Talladega...

[cdr]

well troy i am sorry to hear that your car has not sold,but we can put a 4 speed in & paint it green.if that dont work for ya i'd be glad to come get that car out of your way

[hemi68charger]

well troy i am sorry to hear that your car has not sold,but we can put a 4 speed in & paint it green.if that dont work for ya i'd be glad to come get that car out of your way

If I was to do anything to it from OEM, it would involved the numbers; "4", "2" & "6".......... 

[cdr]

OK sounds like a plan

[hotrod98]

If you decide to go hemi, don't buy an MP hemi crate motor. They're total crap. Spend the cash and get Ray Barton or someone comparable to build you a nice piece.
I would consider a hemi for my bird but the thing is, my six barrel gets decent fuel mileage and I hate to give that up.
As for Mecum, it's $1000 for a decent spot on Saturday and 7%. If you ever go that route, be sure and set the reserve high. Mecum likes to play games. Don't ask me how I know 

[WINGIN IT]

well troy i am sorry to hear that your car has not sold,but we can put a 4 speed in & paint it green.if that dont work for ya i'd be glad to come get that car out of your way

Ha, and your friend only has to drop a 4 speed in since it's already green.
Droppin' a hemi in it AND a 4 speed and she'll be gone before you know it ...

As for auctions, it's a crap shoot, unless you're a high roller and have an "in" as a buyer/seller.
And I thought Mecum's was the more reputible of the bunch.. guess not...

[Highbanked Hauler]

 Give it hell Troy,426-5spd. roll cage and go out and run with the  71 car.

[hemi68charger]

Give it hell Troy,426-5spd. roll cage and go out and run with the  71 car.

That would be fun. Actually, Gary and Pam from 71wingcars.com used to own my current C500. I know them and that probably wouldn't be too far off being able to be done......... But, I'd rather hang with them on a drive over to Talladega or Daytona and put the "pedal to the metal".. 

[charger500440]

Troy,

I don't post on the site too often but I often look through the aero posts with great interest. First of all, I'd keep the Daytona and the 500 if I were you but I can see what you'd like to do. Either way, I'm sure you'll end up with what you're looking for.

If I could make a suggestion to you: I would highly recommend changing your Daytona's wheels and tires for stock ones. As you can see from the photo of my SE, I have the same wheels and tires you have and I love them for driving the car. But if I was to sell it, I'd make it look as stock as humanly possible. In looking at what is trending in the market now, originality is key. It's not to say you'll get the price you're looking for but I think it may help. Not to mention, it's an easy thing to change once you've snapped a few photos.

Good luck no matter what...

Mike

[RIDELIKEHELL]

I have seen your car on ebay and can't believe it has sold but the market is funny right now ...keep positive 

[Beep Beep Dave]

I don't want to ruffle any feathers and of course you can dismiss it if you like but here it goes...

1st the car has been for sale for a long time in many different circles and hasn't sold...it is quite simply priced above the market. If its truly for sale you need to adjust the price.

2nd the way your ad reads (to me) is that you are only interested in getting top dollar for your car. You aren't committed to selling it, you have another car in mind, so even in your mind its a second pick. That really doesn't read well. Either its for sale or its not. I am not willing to put my time, resources and efforts into persuing a car only to potentially have the rug pulled out from under me. Make your car the prize. You don't want it....why would I?

3rd freshen up the ad, change the pics, keep it to your car only, limit it to a couple of glamour shots, and then some of the meat and potatoes, trunk without the mat, rear quarters, undercarriage, engine bay, interior, fender tag, any documentation you have. Again keep it to your car only. Show the great features...original nosecone, quarters, floor pans etc...nice big picture of the Dana wouldn't hurt either. You can't keep running out the same losing team out on the field and expect them to win. Change it up!

Dave



 

[Redbird]

I'll say the same thing. You seem to want top dollar for a car you don't want in order to get the same model car in a better condition, that presumably you will buy on the low end of the sales scale, then tell folks how much better the new car is. If I knew someone looking for a Daytona I would strongly recommend he just go to the other guy.

[hemi68charger]

I don't want to ruffle any feathers and of course you can dismiss it if you like but here it goes...

1st the car has been for sale for a long time in many different circles and hasn't sold...it is quite simply priced above the market. If its truly for sale you need to adjust the price.

2nd the way your ad reads (to me) is that you are only interested in getting top dollar for your car. You aren't committed to selling it, you have another car in mind, so even in your mind its a second pick. That really doesn't read well. Either its for sale or its not. I am not willing to put my time, resources and efforts into persuing a car only to potentially have the rug pulled out from under me. Make your car the prize. You don't want it....why would I?

3rd freshen up the ad, change the pics, keep it to your car only, limit it to a couple of glamour shots, and then some of the meat and potatoes, trunk without the mat, rear quarters, undercarriage, engine bay, interior, fender tag, any documentation you have. Again keep it to your car only. Show the great features...original nosecone, quarters, floor pans etc...nice big picture of the Dana wouldn't hurt either. You can't keep running out the same losing team out on the field and expect them to win. Change it up!

Dave
 

Luckily, for me, I'm not in a position where I need to sell it. I do believe my ad is proper and there's nothing to hide in me telling why I want to sell it. In my eye, it's better than not saying anything and people "wondering" why I want to sell......... Nowhere I have ever said that the car I wish to get is in better shape than mine (actually, it is damn nice too). I only state it is the same color as the one my Dad bought new. My goal from the very beginning was to find a car as close to Dad's as possible. So, in the meantime, if I end up with a killer V2 440 auto, it's still good. I enjoy my V2 very much. People can read into it anyway they wish, no problem... But, if some one thinks I'll pull the rug out from under them based on an ad without calling or communicating, that's their bad. You're correct, their time is valuable,,,,,, so is mine.......... I have a lot of pictures of the car, both on the ad and in the photo album link. I don't need to "prove" to anyone my intentions on selling the car. My words speak for themselves and if someone wants to question my sincerity, so be it. One could make that argument on any ad. I don't think the people who have had their car on as much as mine are "recreational-ebayers". I know where I stand. I agree with the pictures changing it up, but disagree with the comment on features. I have posted pictures of everything you mentioned. If someone wants a car of this caliber and price, they had better either ask for more or come and test drive it. Not sure what you mean about not being committed on selling. I know I want to sell, I don't need to lower the price to prove that. Granted, if I wanted to move it quicker, than yes, I would need to lower the price. But, I'll go against the paradigm on this one. Lordy, if I didn't want to sell, I wouldn't be placing the ad so much. Believe me, I don't need an ebay ad to see my car, I can just go into the garage.

It all boils down to a limited number of people with sort-of-unlimited amounts of money to spend on a "hobby". Also, it's going to take someone who's not brain-washed into this Corvette-Barrett-Jackson-original-motor mentality.

Oh well...... I don't have any problem keep pushing forward.......... The manner in which I've done things thus far has proved to be quite fruitful for me........ My gut hasn't let me down yet.. Not too many people can say they have a Daytona and C500 with less than $50K invested...

I have absolutely NOTHING to loose, soooo, why not? I'm just surprised at the market, that's all..........

I'll say the same thing. You seem to want top dollar for a car you don't want in order to get the same model car in a better condition, that presumably you will buy on the low end of the sales scale, then tell folks how much better the new car is. If I knew someone looking for a Daytona I would strongly recommend he just go to the other guy.

Wow........ You got me pegged................... Not.......... I seem to want what I think is fair..... Others may think it's top-dollar. Pretty presumptuous to think I'll be buying low and then brag about the new car's condition? Really? Do I know you? You would send someone looking for a Daytona to the "other" guy?    Like there's a lot of "other-guy" Daytonas out there priced and in a condition like mine to choose from..........  For all those looking to buy and who think I'm asking too much, great....... I'll congratulate them when they get theirs, whenever that might be.

Ok,, time for bed............ Night night everyone.....  

[hotrod98]

I hadn't thought about it before, but if you take into consideration what I had in the two cars that I sold to buy the bird, I have around 30K in the Black Ice bird. I suddenly feel much better.     Wait...I was offered 100K for the bird about a year ago. Okay, I don't feel as well as I did. 

Hang in there Troy. The right buyer just hasn't seen your ad yet.

[odcics2]

Apparently, numbers matching does matter to a lot of folks on production cars.  And, I assume, as the price goes up, so does the importance. 

[hemi68charger]

Apparently, numbers matching does matter to a lot of folks on production cars.  And, I assume, as the price goes up, so does the importance. 

I couldn't agree more........... It is this same realization that limits what I'm asking...... Stinks, but it is true. Unfortunately, there aren't too many cars out there with their original motor/tranny. And, if they do have them; they cost much more, they've either had major reconstructive surgery or need it.

I hadn't thought about it before, but if you take into consideration what I had in the two cars that I sold to buy the bird, I have around 30K in the Black Ice bird. I suddenly feel much better.     Wait...I was offered 100K for the bird about a year ago. Okay, I don't feel as well as I did. 

Hang in there Troy. The right buyer just hasn't seen your ad yet.

You know me all too well..    Just as Styx once sung about, "Ne dis jamais jamais"  Never say never......... 

[1BAD68]

I just looked at the completed auction and the ad looks fine to me. It's nice to see that it didn't go into the entire Nascar history and just got to the important points about the car.
Unfortunately the market that this car falls into is the small one where those very few buyer's want all the number's matching, date coding nonsense to be there.
I sold a A12 Bee back in '04 and found out real quick how people with that kind of money can be very anal about the stupidest things.
In my opinion the ad is good, the car is awesome and you just have to be patient. Eventually someone will make an offer and you'll sell it.

[hemi68charger]

... Eventually someone will make an offer and you'll sell it.

As long as it is before any sale of the one I want to get..... 

Otherwise, it is OFF the block... Unless there's a family emergency, I'll always have a Daytona in my garage....... Thanks for the compliment on the ad.... I thought the videos added a litte something too. Rarely do you see videos in an ad, especially when a car's in it's natural environment, the street cruising !!!   

[charger_fan_4ever]

Seems like most car guys with the aero cars have owned them for years bought them back when they were cheap. The average car guy today in the "younger generation" does not have the means to dump 6 figures into a toy. Add in the fact that most people 30 and younger don't seem to have the muscle car fever. Higher prices and fewer potential buyers I'd say are the two main factors. Don't think its anything to do with your car in general. The F6 car is 25k less and hasn't sold either.

At the 6 figure level it is more of the rich collectors buying and putting in a museum. Not a car guy that will drive it to shows.

[6pkrunner]

The ad is fine Troy. Doesn't reek of desperation. It's all in the market and as you are finding out it sucks. There is the glass ceiling where some will just not venture fearing the future. If the world gets out of its financial funk, you will sell it.

And as others said so far - there is someone who will take it as she is for what you want. Finding them is the beeotch.

[BigBlockSam]

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[gtx6970]

Troy I am not knocking the ca rin any way shape or form.
and I know the car only by pictures and descriptions so my opinion might change with an in person look see.

BUT,

Buyers with expendable cash have gotten picky on what they want so the less than perfect examples get left behind.  I've said it before and will continue to do so, quality sells in any market. ( I know of  several higher ends sales in the past 12-24 months ( not all Mopars either btw )
 
1, The car is orange , black int and an auto- All probably the easiest to find for someone looking for a Daytona. Thus making it in a lot of competition,,, possibly with some that NEED to sell.

2,, Non matching numbers WILL hurt it to some , especially the higher end collectors seeking quality. Again it will come back to avail cars on the market at that particular buyers time frame ( see line 1 )

3,,, the car has been over exposed, pull the add and enjoy it for a year or so and if you still want that 4 spd car, try again and hopefully the market will have changed.

Also, changing it to Hemi and maybe a 4 spd will add desireability, but I have my doubts it will add value high enough to offset the cost of said upgrade. IMO, it would take nearly $25K to do it right, and doubt it'll add that much value to the car. and you WILL eliminate any potential buyers seeking  correctness. A friend of mine is weighing that option right now, and he already has the hemi in the car. Plus his is a B5 blue car and factory 4 spd car

my   and nothing more

[resq302]

Troy, I kinda have to agree with Bill on this.  Lets face it, how often have you been looking for something only to not find it and then basically give up.  Then when you are not "looking" for something, 2 or more examples appear and basically hit you in the face.

[hemi68charger]

I agree with everything.. My only concern is time in being able to sell mine in order to get the other one.. It is sort of dependent on something else. I agree about the non-matching part and V2 color, but with that being said, Daytonas for sale are few and far in between (regardless of color or original drivetrain).. I may try another approach and that doesn't work, then I'll save up for a Hemi and be done with it... 

[resq302]

Troy, if I had the extra coin, I would buy yours in a heart beat!  Hell, I wish I had the money to buy Johns F6 one but couldn't.  I wouldn't care if it had a numbers matching engine, drive train or what, as long as I would be able to say that I own a daytona!  For now I will have to "settle" for my base model 383 4 bbl 4 spd car.   

[hemi68charger]

Troy, if I had the extra coin, I would buy yours in a heart beat!  Hell, I wish I had the money to buy Johns F6 one but couldn't.  I wouldn't care if it had a numbers matching engine, drive train or what, as long as I would be able to say that I own a daytona!  For now I will have to "settle" for my base model 383 4 bbl 4 spd car.   

Settle as you may, your car is VERY cool....

[ksquared]

I don't want to ruffle any feathers and of course you can dismiss it if you like but here it goes...

1st the car has been for sale for a long time in many different circles and hasn't sold...it is quite simply priced above the market. If its truly for sale you need to adjust the price.

2nd the way your ad reads (to me) is that you are only interested in getting top dollar for your car. You aren't committed to selling it, you have another car in mind, so even in your mind its a second pick. That really doesn't read well. Either its for sale or its not. I am not willing to put my time, resources and efforts into persuing a car only to potentially have the rug pulled out from under me. Make your car the prize. You don't want it....why would I?

3rd freshen up the ad, change the pics, keep it to your car only, limit it to a couple of glamour shots, and then some of the meat and potatoes, trunk without the mat, rear quarters, undercarriage, engine bay, interior, fender tag, any documentation you have. Again keep it to your car only. Show the great features...original nosecone, quarters, floor pans etc...nice big picture of the Dana wouldn't hurt either. You can't keep running out the same losing team out on the field and expect them to win. Change it up!

Dave
 

Luckily, for me, I'm not in a position where I need to sell it. I do believe my ad is proper and there's nothing to hide in me telling why I want to sell it. In my eye, it's better than not saying anything and people "wondering" why I want to sell.........

Since the discussion is still continuing, I thought I would add my opinion, strictly as a non-expert of Aero Cars but having sold on eBay for awhile, and definitely not to ruffle any feathers of people involved with these great cars.

First, the ad was not good, for the following reasons which have nothing to do with how long the car has been on the market.

1.  A very high Buy It Now price killed any chance of interest.  Was a price of $150,000 realistic to expect for the car?  If not, and more importantly if people perceived it as not, it is just a free ad from somebody either trying to see what the car was worth without really wanting to sell it, or somebody hoping that some joker would come along and overpay for it.  Both ways don't help endear the car to the public.

2.  From my reading of the ad, I came away with the idea that the car was "fun," which to me means it has been abused/thrashed without regard to the future buyer.  If instead of "fun," why not say, "This car has allowed me to enjoy some of the best moments I could have imagined, such as driving on a historic racetrack in front of thousands of people reliving the days when these cars were the ultimate machines."  Compare the eBay ad to an ad that hemigeno would put in if his car was for sale.

3.  Legally, these reserve ads are potential problems.  If you read eBay's user agreement, it says that people should have "fun" (their words) and the bids are non-binding.  I have run into this problem myself, with an eBay veteran giving me advice that time.  If you REALLY want to sell it, it really should be listed as "No Reserve."  People know you're serious, and the interest lasts the entire auction.  But also, the initial bid must be set low enough that you would be unhappy selling it at that price.  And if only one person bids, you've got to follow through with the sale.

4.  eBay is so unpredictable that it could go to $85,000 one week, and relisted two weeks later go to $120,000.  But, from this auction, and without an extensive research into Daytona prices, I would estimate the true market value at $108,000 to $112,000.  That is the $86,000 final bid, increased about 25% or so.  The people on eBay many times expect people to be desperate to sell.  I think the bidders are the ones dreaming, but who knows, maybe sometimes somebody gets something to keep their dreams going.  Would the car have sold with a Buy It Now of $108,000?  Maybe 10 people would have tried.  At $112,000 maybe 3 people?  At $120,000, ?  At $150,000, 0.

I definitely wouldn't criticize the car for the color, the wing color, the automatic transmission, or even the interior color.  It is really what your definition of "common" is.  So of the 503 made, 100 are this color??  So 100 cars on earth are common?  My opinion is that any Daytona, any color, any transmission is uncommon and interesting.  I suppose when the people who live for these cars go to shows and see 10 of the 100 together it appears common?

Finally, if I remember somewhere it was posted that Troy only had $50,000 into a combination of a Daytona and a Charger 500.  That is not correct.  What about all the expenses that have gone along with the cars?  The fact that a person makes a good trade does not make the car worth less or more than what a buyer would pay.  What about the time-value of the money that was spent on the car years ago?  What about the time spent maintaining/repairing/upgrading things on the car?  Would the car be more valuable if Troy had traded a pristine original Tucker for the Daytona? 

So, as somebody who does more reading here than posting, I hope that it is understood that this is more only my suggestions attempting to be helpful.

[472 R/T SE]

Well my wife doesn't have to ask what my 1st purchase would be if we won Powerball.  On our way back to the NW, we'd have to stop back home in Hays, Ks. & I'd have to pick up my other winged thing, Junemann's '70.

[hemi68charger]

...

So, as somebody who does more reading here than posting, I hope that it is understood that this is more only my suggestions attempting to be helpful.

Wow... That was a lot.. You definitely caught up with your posting-to-reading ratio..... I get a lot of your points, some I don't. I purposely made my ad to be "down-to-Earth" and not look like the flamboyant ads of RKMotors or others of the "over-the-top" storefronts. Even the good and/or flamboyant ads for Daytonas take a long time to sell, if sold at all. People who are into the Aero cars and who are willing to put down the money have done their research and typically know the history of these cars. For me, one of those who socialize and know many in the AeroWorld, think such banter is just that, banter. I personally don't feel the word "fun" is misused or misrepresented. There are VERY few people out there who have the greenbacks to slap on the table, so it is going to take a while for the right person to come by and buy it (if it indeed ever does happen). Yes, I would like to sell the Daytona for one sole purpose, to get the other one.... I have the car advertised in other areas (the two main national aero clubs). The main purpose of the ad, other than to sell it, is to garner exposure. I mean, if the likes of Ray Evernham was looking to buy my Daytona, then I must be doing something right (just because I'm doing something right, doesn't guarantee success). This was a case of bad timing. Ray eventually bought John's F6. If John's car wasn't on the market, then mine would have sold. But, that's history and I press forward. Also, unlike most ads, I have put videos of the car, to show it actually goes down the road. In my 35 years of messing with these things, I have seem countless times that a beautifully restored car that's been sitting forever often falls on its face (case of use it or lose it). Also, I made sure to highlight the photoshoot for Motor Trend Classic. Motor Trend isn't some fly-by-night publication. They have standards and my car met those. Now, regarding the value, I think it's there. But, that's me speaking on my car. Also,  we all spend maintenance money on these cars, so that's a wash. Being that I'm the one who spent the money on all my past cars and knows the transactions of my mopar-life, I'm the one who's pretty knowledgeable on what I have invested. Nowhere do I make reference to the actual investment dollar I have in the Daytona (and C500), so what's the point in your last statement. Oh, and yes, my ad isn't anything like what Geno may do for his Daytona. I wouldn't even want to try to compare my car, or ad, to that of which Geno could write. His Daytona is in a league all its own...

Long story short.. I personally don't believe if I shift directions on my ad it would make a difference. Yes, I could and would change it up a bit. Maybe one day I'll have a lot of time on my hands and take more pictures. I have had plenty of interest on the car. But, with the market as it is, people are reluctant to pay what I'm asking, period. I get it all the time. I'm constantly getting people who tell me my price isn't reflective to the market.. Ok......... I know that........ I follow Mopar-current events...... But, I'm asking what I'm asking for a reason.

Thanks k-to-the-2nd-power...... I appreciate and respect your point of view. Some right on, some off target for my personal situation.......  The topic of the thread was my disbelief that the market has changed so much.

[ksquared]

Nowhere do I make reference to the actual investment dollar I have in the Daytona (and C500), so what's the point in your last statement.

Oh well...... I don't have any problem keep pushing forward.......... The manner in which I've done things thus far has proved to be quite fruitful for me........ My gut hasn't let me down yet.. Not too many people can say they have a Daytona and C500 with less than $50K invested...

I have absolutely NOTHING to loose, soooo, why not? I'm just surprised at the market, that's all..........

I thought I remembered somewhere it being mentioned.  I just remember numbers.  

But I was also somewhat hoping to point out with a bit of encouragement that the market price for the Daytona is definitely not "that bad" as what eBay people hope to get it for.  And as I said too, my guesstimate may be low too because it is based only on eBay.

[hemi68charger]

Nowhere do I make reference to the actual investment dollar I have in the Daytona (and C500), so what's the point in your last statement.

Oh well...... I don't have any problem keep pushing forward.......... The manner in which I've done things thus far has proved to be quite fruitful for me........ My gut hasn't let me down yet.. Not too many people can say they have a Daytona and C500 with less than $50K invested...

I have absolutely NOTHING to loose, soooo, why not? I'm just surprised at the market, that's all..........

I thought I remembered somewhere it being mentioned.  I just remember numbers.  

But I was also somewhat hoping to point out with a bit of encouragement that the market price for the Daytona is definitely not "that bad" as what eBay people hope to get it for.  And as I said too, my guesstimate may be low too because it is based only on eBay.

Yeap, you're not going crazy.. I did mention my "investment" over the span of my lifetime towards the eventual outcome of what I have now, the Daytona and C500. But, it wasn't in any of my ads, ebay or newsletters... It was here on the board..

The ebay ads are just a venue for the exposure factor. I don't have a bunch of money to put it in an auction, list it with expensive brokers, etc.  Any broker looking for a car for a client would at the very least just check out ebay. Of course, ebay's not their only resource. I don't use ebay as a calibration tool for market value...

[Mytur Binsdirti]

I may be a new guy here, but I've been watching the market on Hemi cars & wing cars pretty carefully for a couple of years now. I've seen couple of basket cases sold for the 70-90K range, and a couple of drivers (10-footers) have come up at the Mecum auctions, but it seems that driver quality cars and fully restored cars are just not moving, mainly due to unrealistic asking prices. For instance, this car is advertised for $235,000.00......

http://www.cars-on-line.com/41800.html   

And this one is advertised for $375,000.00........

http://www.cars-on-line.com/31300.html

With all due respect to the above owners, there is absolutely no way that those cars are worth anywhere near their advertised price, no matter how many awards they have on the shelf. I would dare say that the asking price is a complete turn-off once someone clicks on the ad and sees the price.

The only restored car that I know of that has sold recently is this car, which was advertised for quite some time at $179.000.....

  http://www.cars-on-line.com/52177.html

Looks like a nice clean car with a striking color, 4-speed, matching numbers and is advertised as having mostly all original sheet metal; all of which are big pluses. I may be wrong, but the word on the street is that this car sold for $150,000.00, which is quite a reduction from the asking price. So, has this car set the benchmark for a restored 440 car? If so, then one simply has to figure the cost of a total rotisserie restoration, subtract the value of the negatives (ie non-matching numbers, boatloads of inferior repro parts, and anything else that is non-factory) and then you'll have the car's true worth.

I'm not trying to cause trouble, rather this is my 2 cents worth of opinion.

[hemi68charger]

 http://www.cars-on-line.com/52177.html

Looks like a nice clean car with a striking color, 4-speed, matching numbers and is advertised as having mostly all original sheet metal; all of which are big pluses. I may be wrong, but the word on the street is that this car sold for $150,000.00, which is quite a reduction from the asking price. So, has this car set the benchmark for a restored 440 car? If so, then one simply has to figure the cost of a total rotisserie restoration, subtract the value of the negatives (ie non-matching numbers, boatloads of inferior repro parts, and anything else that is non-factory) and then you'll have the car's true worth.

I'm not trying to cause trouble, rather this is my 2 cents worth of opinion.

...
Well spoken Mytur. (very unique name there by the way)
That is John's car and it doesn't have the original motor. Ray Evernham bought that car. Ray was going to buy this one or mine and he bought John's (Smart man, I love John's car). I spoke to John but didn't ask him what he sold it for, wasn't my place to ask and felt sort of uncomfortable asking. Even if it sold for $150K, that's one less quality Daytona available. Daytona's are like gas prices where one station sees their neighbor lower their price and thus, feels compelled to follow along. I say to the people who are looking to buy a Daytona, find another one at his asking price, its condition and buy it (Rumor is, there won't be many, if any, to choose from).

[petercharger]

You know these cars should be seen as an enjoyment...every investment has their risks..both ups and downs...I remember back in early 80's looking at two super birds for 2500 and at that time seemed like a lot of money for a car with a wing and nose.   I  never looked at them as investments..the thought that cars like these would cost as much as a home never crossed our minds.   My dad looked at these cars as something different to play with until he wanted something different....never as investments.   And for he passed on both because they were too different...

[hotrod98]

Don't forget about the wealthy buyers from the east and the middle east. Occasionally, they will throw the money at a car simply because they want it. A friend of mine posted an ad somewhere a few years ago for a 70 Challenger that was a 318 car that had been converted to a 440 six pack, 4 speed car and had poorly painted on T/A stripes. Someone in Japan paid him top dollar for that car. At least twice what it was worth in my opinion.

Recently, I've been contacted by a buyer that is interested in buying and shipping cars to Lebanon. They want clean cars that need minimal work to make above average drivers and they're paying decent money. The 69 runner that we sold at Mecum recently was shipped overseas.

I think that there are more musclecars going overseas than we realize. If these guys offered me twice what my bird is worth then I would have to say...goodbye birdie. I could build my new cabin on the lake for that kind of money.

[paironines]

I for one dislike when an ebay seller trys to set the mood by starting in with things like "The year was 1968 and.......", so kudos to you for leaving the history out. The ad was fine, 86k was a fluke. Nothing more.

[moparstuart]

Don't forget about the wealthy buyers from the east and the middle east. Occasionally, they will throw the money at a car simply because they want it. A friend of mine posted an ad somewhere a few years ago for a 70 Challenger that was a 318 car that had been converted to a 440 six pack, 4 speed car and had poorly painted on T/A stripes. Someone in Japan paid him top dollar for that car. At least twice what it was worth in my opinion.

Recently, I've been contacted by a buyer that is interested in buying and shipping cars to Lebanon. They want clean cars that need minimal work to make above average drivers and they're paying decent money. The 69 runner that we sold at Mecum recently was shipped overseas.

I think that there are more musclecars going overseas than we realize. If these guys offered me twice what my bird is worth then I would have to say...goodbye birdie. I could build my new cabin on the lake for that kind of money.

larry please sell my 69 road runner for me

[hotrod98]

I for one dislike when an ebay seller trys to set the mood by starting in with things like "The year was 1968 and.......", so kudos to you for leaving the history out. The ad was fine, 86k was a fluke. Nothing more.

I hate that. All of my ads start with:  "It was a dark and stormy night........."

[petercharger]

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Maybe start out an ad like this....







"A long time ago in a galaxy far, far away"
then:

"Episode XII: A New Hope"

It is a period of sellers unrest. Rebel Buyers, striking from  a
hidden NADA base, have won their first victory against the Winged empire.
During the battle, Rebel spies managed to steal secret plans to the
Empire's ultimate weapon, the Dodge Daytona with enough Hemi power to destroy an entire planet.
Pursued by the Empire's sinister agents, Princess Leia races home
aboard her Superbird, custodian  of the stolen plans that can save her
people and restore value ...and prices of those wingers in the near future. 

[hemi68charger]

Maybe start out an ad like this....

"A long time ago in a galaxy far, far away"
then:
 

I like it !!!!!   

[472 R/T SE]

Recently, I've been contacted by a buyer that is interested in buying and shipping cars to Lebanon. They want clean cars that need minimal work to make above average drivers and they're paying decent money. The 69 runner that we sold at Mecum recently was shipped overseas.

I think that there are more musclecars going overseas than we realize. If these guys offered me twice what my bird is worth then I would have to say...goodbye birdie. I could build my new cabin on the lake for that kind of money.

Yep, that's where our 'cuda went, Qatar.  He emailed right after the auction & offered $28k.  I told him no & that I needed to sell it for what I had spent on it.  He emailed back right away & said he needed my phone number so he could transfer the money to me.

Almost made me wish I would have asked even more.   

About 10 years ago my '70 Bee went to Austraila.
In '05 I sold my Harley to a collector in Japan. 

[68 Bullitt Charger]

Just sold my 67 GTX HEMI, 100%, survivor, 40K orig doc mile's for $50K!!  That is 35K off or even more than the value a few year's back. I feel your pain on that Daytona. Troy is your Daytona 100% number's matching? That's such a beautiful Car!

[A383Wing]

I for one dislike when an ebay seller trys to set the mood by starting in with things like "The year was 1968 and.......", so kudos to you for leaving the history out. The ad was fine, 86k was a fluke. Nothing more.

I hate that. All of my ads start with:  "It was a dark and stormy night........."

visions of you typing that sitting on top of yer dog house

Bryan 

[62BT409]

I for one dislike when an ebay seller trys to set the mood by starting in with things like "The year was 1968 and.......", so kudos to you for leaving the history out. The ad was fine, 86k was a fluke. Nothing more.

Ebay is not the place to sell anything, especially a vehicle.BUT IT IS THE BEST form of advertisement you can find for the price. What I have seen is less than 10% of the cars sell on Ebay.....the others just use it for advertising. Just my $.02 worth.

[Robert96]

I think a no reserve would probably be the way to move it on E-bay. It is a gamble though. And last of all the economy is just rotten. Most of us can only dream of winged cars. There's a very limited amount of customers for a car like that. That being said, it only takes one person and......... BINGO! You just never know.

[petercharger]

Are u kidding a no reserve auction would be very foolish...

[Robert96]

 I said it would be a gamble!!!!

[hotrod98]

It's already been on ebay a few times and has never met reserve. How would it be different if there were no reserve? I don't get it. 

[hemi68charger]

I think a no reserve would probably be the way to move it on E-bay. It is a gamble though. And last of all the economy is just rotten. Most of us can only dream of winged cars. There's a very limited amount of customers for a car like that. That being said, it only takes one person and......... BINGO! You just never know.

I do know one thing, I'll never put it on without a reserve.... Thanks for thinking out of the box, but.... I'm not willing to take that chance.

[Robert96]

O.K. I had a friend who sold alot of special interest cars on Ebay. He often put the high value cars on without a reserve. I said your crazy! He told me that almost everytime people would start bidding against each other on the last day and run the value up like crazy and they did. But.... that was about 10 years ago and the economy was in a hell of a lot better shape back then. The Superbirds are a hell of a lot more expensive to begin with and the economy is really bad now, so I will shut my big mouth. Your correct, it would be crazy now!!!