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« Reply #775 on: August 14, 2022, 10:34:08 AM »

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OHF7W4BUuxE  cant ever remember seeing this particular coverage of the 305ci Daytona

ive often wondered, whats mentioned in this video, that the daytona might of been damaged / spun  out delibberately,  for it to be only a one race deal & not to come back,  because it looked obvious before the 22 wrecked looked like it was giving a good account of its self  scratchchin  & would of been worth while still to entre it in the next race etc  shruggy

I guess we should be happy that some people care about 50 year old history.   But it does not preclude some unsound ideas being floated on You Tube.  

With expanded restrictor plate rules and both 426 and 366 Hemi's being in the mix for 1971,  the 305 with no plate was a simple experiment to see "if it would work"   There was no testing.   The first time the engine was in the car was at Daytona.    When NASCAR made the 305 rule,  I am sure it was with the intention that neither Ford and Chrysler would try it.   After the race,  NASCAR just told Chrysler (Larry Rathgeb) and Rossi not to bring the car to Ontario.   It was, "Hey, you guys didn't get the message the first time. So lets be crystal clear."    The reality is that it only would have worked at Daytona and Talladega where you are wound up all the time.    

The video alludes that the 305 was an independent effort.    However, it was a program with Chrysler's involvement.   Rossi of course, provided the car and was amenable to try it.    I presume Rossi was willing to try because, A: he had a Daytona, and B: like Cotton Owens, he had been shuffled out of major funding from Chrysler for 1971.   So the 305 was a path for the team to try and make Daytona with a little help.    

The suggestion that Pete Hamilton got into Brooks intentionally goes against facts.     He was the defending 500 winner in his first big race with a new team.    He was in contention for the win having won his 125 mile qualifier.   He was driving the the only 1971 car the team had.    Why would he throw any of that away?   There was never any talk from the Chrysler race group guys,  the drivers, the car owners that the incident was anything other than a racin' deal.    The idea that Cotton Owens would allow his driver to "throw a race" is just dumb.  I am sure Cotton was pissed about his car being damaged beyond contention.   These guys didn't have stables of ten cars where you can just go wreck someone.

The drafting thing?   Wing cars were hard to draft in 1970.    The You Tuber has been watching too much freight train modern NASCAR.

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« Reply #776 on: August 15, 2022, 02:39:31 PM »

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OHF7W4BUuxE  cant ever remember seeing this particular coverage of the 305ci Daytona

ive often wondered, whats mentioned in this video, that the daytona might of been damaged / spun  out delibberately,  for it to be only a one race deal & not to come back,  because it looked obvious before the 22 wrecked looked like it was giving a good account of its self  scratchchin  & would of been worth while still to entre it in the next race etc  shruggy

I guess we should be happy that some people care about 50 year old history.   But it does not preclude some unsound ideas being floated on You Tube.  

With expanded restrictor plate rules and both 426 and 366 Hemi's being in the mix for 1971,  the 305 with no plate was a simple experiment to see "if it would work"   There was no testing.   The first time the engine was in the car was at Daytona.    When NASCAR made the 305 rule,  I am sure it was with the intention that neither Ford and Chrysler would try it.   After the race,  NASCAR just told Chrysler (Larry Rathgeb) and Rossi not to bring the car to Ontario.   It was, "Hey, you guys didn't get the message the first time. So lets be crystal clear."    The reality is that it only would have worked at Daytona and Talladega where you are wound up all the time.    

The video alludes that the 305 was an independent effort.    However, it was a program with Chrysler's involvement.   Rossi of course, provided the car and was amenable to try it.    I presume Rossi was willing to try because, A: he had a Daytona, and B: like Cotton Owens, he had been shuffled out of major funding from Chrysler for 1971.   So the 305 was a path for the team to try and make Daytona with a little help.    

The suggestion that Pete Hamilton got into Brooks intentionally goes against facts.     He was the defending 500 winner in his first big race with a new team.    He was in contention for the win having won his 125 mile qualifier.   He was driving the the only 1971 car the team had.    Why would he throw any of that away?   There was never any talk from the Chrysler race group guys,  the drivers, the car owners that the incident was anything other than a racin' deal.    The idea that Cotton Owens would allow his driver to "throw a race" is just dumb.  I am sure Cotton was pissed about his car being damaged beyond contention.   These guys didn't have stables of ten cars where you can just go wreck someone.

The drafting thing?   Wing cars were hard to draft in 1970.    The You Tuber has been watching too much freight train modern NASCAR.



 yes  i see what your saying,  makes sense !  they never had a whole  race shop full of back up cars ,   to be honest i got caught up in this youtubers enhusiasm ... with suppose what if  etc & the mention of the  lunch box motor makinhg 450- 475 horse  then remembering reading  the destroked 340 could turn over 9 grand,  then thinking  the drag eficency of the daytona ...  running wide open at the super speed ways at  daytona & talladega , but your right those were the only two tracks , 
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« Reply #781 on: August 21, 2022, 04:32:27 PM »

 popcrn     wonder  where this C500 is now although 87 not that long ago scratchchin

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popcrn     wonder  where this C500 is now although 87 not that long ago scratchchin

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AkLvcOeof_k

Pretty sure this particular car is still in the Detroit area.
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« Reply #783 on: August 27, 2022, 09:55:29 AM »

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OHF7W4BUuxE  cant ever remember seeing this particular coverage of the 305ci Daytona

ive often wondered, whats mentioned in this video, that the daytona might of been damaged / spun  out delibberately,  for it to be only a one race deal & not to come back,  because it looked obvious before the 22 wrecked looked like it was giving a good account of its self  scratchchin  & would of been worth while still to entre it in the next race etc  shruggy

I guess we should be happy that some people care about 50 year old history.   But it does not preclude some unsound ideas being floated on You Tube.  

With expanded restrictor plate rules and both 426 and 366 Hemi's being in the mix for 1971,  the 305 with no plate was a simple experiment to see "if it would work"   There was no testing.   The first time the engine was in the car was at Daytona.    When NASCAR made the 305 rule,  I am sure it was with the intention that neither Ford and Chrysler would try it.   After the race,  NASCAR just told Chrysler (Larry Rathgeb) and Rossi not to bring the car to Ontario.   It was, "Hey, you guys didn't get the message the first time. So lets be crystal clear."    The reality is that it only would have worked at Daytona and Talladega where you are wound up all the time.    

The video alludes that the 305 was an independent effort.    However, it was a program with Chrysler's involvement.   Rossi of course, provided the car and was amenable to try it.    I presume Rossi was willing to try because, A: he had a Daytona, and B: like Cotton Owens, he had been shuffled out of major funding from Chrysler for 1971.   So the 305 was a path for the team to try and make Daytona with a little help.    

The suggestion that Pete Hamilton got into Brooks intentionally goes against facts.     He was the defending 500 winner in his first big race with a new team.    He was in contention for the win having won his 125 mile qualifier.   He was driving the the only 1971 car the team had.    Why would he throw any of that away?   There was never any talk from the Chrysler race group guys,  the drivers, the car owners that the incident was anything other than a racin' deal.    The idea that Cotton Owens would allow his driver to "throw a race" is just dumb.  I am sure Cotton was pissed about his car being damaged beyond contention.   These guys didn't have stables of ten cars where you can just go wreck someone.

The drafting thing?   Wing cars were hard to draft in 1970.    The You Tuber has been watching too much freight train modern NASCAR.

Hi Aero426,              27 August 2022

Last evening Dena and I were at our local Dairy Queen having a late night treat when we noticed a NASCAR race on TV. Your comment: "...too much freight train modern NASCAR." nails it. It was the most boring race we have ever seen and there appeared to be only 10 people in the stands. Wouldn't have wanted to be the "Ticket Sales Person" for that event.

What a sorry excuse for a NASCAR race. All the cars appeared to be "Cookie Cutter" cars with a "Decal" for whatever brand they were supporting. Video from inside the cars looked like they were driving fancy "Offices" instead of Race cars. It's fine if one likes to watch a kids Choo Choo train go around a track.

Guess that was the last NASCAR race we'll ever watch. . . . unless "Sanity/Reality" makes a comeback at NASCAR. Obviously, we haven't been watching in the last few years as NASCAR has "Evolved/Dissolved" in this "Modern Me-Too Era."

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« Reply #784 on: August 27, 2022, 03:19:23 PM »

Hi Folks,                 27 August 2022

Dena was looking on the net and found that the race mentioned above was the Wa Wa 250 at Daytona and that it had rained earlier. Maybe that's why the stands were empty and the race was running late in the evening.

Looks like there will be another race there today, the 400 . . . . IF it doesn't rain.

Doubt we will watch the Cho Cho train go around the track. We're going to do something exciting by going shopping at Wally World; is there any place else where one can find huge quantities of high quality items imported from China? Yeah . . . . everywhere else.

Time to saddle up and gallop over to the Walton's China Mart.

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"Last evening Dena and I were at our local Dairy Queen having a late night treat when we noticed a NASCAR race on TV. Your comment: "...too much freight train modern NASCAR." nails it. It was the most boring race we have ever seen and there appeared to be only 10 people in the stands. Wouldn't have wanted to be the "Ticket Sales Person" for that event.

What a sorry excuse for a NASCAR race. All the cars appeared to be "Cookie Cutter" cars with a "Decal" for whatever brand they were supporting. Video from inside the cars looked like they were driving fancy "Offices" instead of Race cars. It's fine if one likes to watch a kids Choo Choo train go around a track.

Guess that was the last NASCAR race we'll ever watch. . . . unless "Sanity/Reality" makes a comeback at NASCAR. Obviously, we haven't been watching in the last few years as NASCAR has "Evolved/Dissolved" in this "Modern Me-Too Era."

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BINGO, Hemi Chicks. You've nailed it. Boooooring

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« Reply #789 on: September 19, 2022, 07:12:11 AM »

Canadian Autotrader ad from the late 80s.

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« Reply #790 on: September 19, 2022, 10:35:30 AM »

I think I know who car
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« Reply #791 on: October 15, 2022, 01:02:00 PM »

Not NASCAR but racing nonetheless..

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« Reply #792 on: October 17, 2022, 05:12:44 PM »

 Bob (Taxspeaker) sent me this picture to post here ! yesnod 

 thanks Bob    cheers  2thumbs
 


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« Reply #793 on: November 11, 2022, 02:29:59 PM »

think a few of these have been posted before on  this site somewhere , but still good Aero stuff to look at  yesnod popcrn


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« Reply #794 on: November 11, 2022, 02:32:07 PM »

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« Reply #795 on: November 11, 2022, 02:33:04 PM »

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« Reply #796 on: November 11, 2022, 02:38:23 PM »

  these might be old news  but thought these were interesting / good videos on youtube   yesnod popcrn

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« Reply #797 on: November 11, 2022, 08:22:54 PM »

These pics from the past of wing cars “in the wild” are great memories. Thanks for sharing!
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« Reply #798 on: November 20, 2022, 10:53:17 AM »

These pics from the past of wing cars “in the wild” are great memories. Thanks for sharing!

 2thumbs  cheers  


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