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Unrestored daytona anyone heres

Started by nascarxx29, November 06, 2012, 12:38:17 PM

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odcics2

Want to start a list of what's been "restored" on this unrestored car?

Washer fluid bottle opens up backwards - old repop part from years ago.  
I've never owned anything but a MoPar. Can you say that?

hemigeno

Quote from: stroker400 wedge on November 06, 2012, 04:50:22 PM
In Missouri tradition, Show Me that it's not the original :D 

Au contraire...

Show Me that it IS the original.  Just because one can postulate an unorthodox theory does not mean it is valid until disproven.  You've made the statement you think it's original.  Fine.  I'll go along once it can be proven true.  Even with my own car's idiosyncrasies, I kept a neutral stance until outside/independent verification could be obtained.  Anything short of that is pure supposition - which you'll have to debate alone (i.e. without my participation).



Quote from: stroker400 wedge on November 06, 2012, 05:04:57 PM
For the record, I rescued a console out of a 70 Fury 3 that had those on there at one point. I'll probably fill the holes in before I stick in my 69 unless I can find a pair.

Assuming you can find some replacement stowage clips, will you be telling people that it's a correct console for a '69 B-body?

hemigeno

Quote from: odcics2 on November 06, 2012, 05:08:19 PM
Want to start a list of what's been "restored" on this unrestored car?

Washer fluid bottle opens up backwards - old repop part from years ago.  

Saw that... it also has one black and one chrome door button too.


JB400

No, I will not be trying to pass my console off as original.  It would make a nice conversation piece though for the local car guys around here.  Besides, it's different.  Most haven't seen anything like it.


Like you, I'm keeping an open mind on whether it's original or not.  Like I said, anything is possible.  Until rock solid proof comes along, it's all heresay.  I fit it in the same category as the converted Superbirds to Roadrunners.

Done some checking, C15 is for Deluxe seatbelts.  Possible code on this car with the clips

hemigeno

Quote from: stroker400 wedge on November 06, 2012, 05:26:15 PM
Done some checking, C15 is for Deluxe seatbelts.  Possible code on this car with the clips

That's not a valid sales code for 1969, based on the factory documents I have.  Also... according to Galen, it is an applicable code only for '70-1 (I did some checking too).

JB400

Any idea what code they might be under?  I'm not fortunate enough to have a GG library at my bedside. Just the net.

tan top

 :o good find  ,  looks pretty straight & rot free from the pictures ,  thanks for posting  :cheers:

Quote from: WINGIN IT on November 06, 2012, 01:50:39 PM
Not only that, how does the dashpad and instrument cluster get so baked ( it almost looks melted  :o  ) and the seats are pristine?  Seat covers?

yes something looks iffy with the dash  ,  look at the condition of the rear package tray too , compared to interior ,

i'm betting the  seatbelt clips might of been owner added at one time  ,  he Polly had a C body before &  got tired of the buckle falling down & jamming up down the side of the seat in the daytona  , better on the console , than front of seat i think for stowing the belt :shruggy:
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hemigeno

Quote from: stroker400 wedge on November 06, 2012, 06:14:05 PM
Any idea what code they might be under?  I'm not fortunate enough to have a GG library at my bedside. Just the net.

I went through the entire littany of 1969 Passenger Car Sales Codes that begin with "C", which is where anything to do with seatbelts would fall.  There are only three of them shown in the E-Series (1969) C.A.G. Production Engineering documents that address seat belts, which are as follows:

C04 - Delete All Standard Belts
C13 - Shoulder Belts - Front - Right & Left  (this was available only for convertibles, since front shoulder belts were standard equipment otherwise)
C14 - Shoulder Belts - Rear - Right & Left  (this was optional on all models EXCEPT convertibles, since the top mechanism prevented their use)


Galen's white books are OK, but they have their drawbacks.  The editions I have are over 10 years old, so he may have updated them several times since.  They are still worth adding to the collection on your nightstand.

Ghoste

So far I haven't been able to locate any mention of the console belt clips in factory literature on any model prior to the 70 C-bodies.  Still looking though.

hemigeno

I tried posting the '69 parts book page from the .pdf version, but can't make it happen (encryption stuff  :brickwall: ).  If anyone wants to look it up on their own, it's shown on Illustration Page 23-66.  Again... that page shows both B- and C-Body applications combined on one illustration, whereas the console belt stowage clips are listed elsewhere in the parts manual listings as C-body ONLY.

Ghoste


hemigeno

Quote from: Ghoste on November 06, 2012, 06:52:34 PM
Was it available prior to 69?

I don't know, but I did find it in some '69 literature (see below) - just in photographs of a Polara/C-body, of course.

Ghoste

As wildly off the original topic as we're getting... evidence indicates the Deluxe Seat Belt option did not exist prior to 1970 but seat blet clips on C-body consoles did exist at least as early as the 69 models.

hemigeno

Quote from: Ghoste on November 06, 2012, 07:09:29 PM
As wildly off the original topic as we're getting... evidence indicates the Deluxe Seat Belt option did not exist prior to 1970 but seat blet clips on C-body consoles did exist at least as early as the 69 models.

That'd be my conclusion too.



As for the thread's diversion, it's my fault.  You (initially) took the high road on this sidetrack, but I took the bait.   :slap:

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tan top

Quote from: hemigeno on November 06, 2012, 06:49:45 PM
I tried posting the '69 parts book page from the .pdf version, but can't make it happen (encryption stuff  :brickwall: ).  If anyone wants to look it up on their own, it's shown on Illustration Page 23-66.  Again... that page shows both B- and C-Body applications combined on one illustration, whereas the console belt stowage clips are listed elsewhere in the parts manual listings as C-body ONLY.

:2thumbs:  

not that clear  , had to take a pictures off the  monitor  ,
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hemigeno

Quote from: tan top on November 06, 2012, 07:19:08 PM
:2thumbs:  

not that clear  , had to take a pictures off the  monitor  ,

Thanks, TT!


69hemidaytona

I have seen these consoles with the seat belt clips quite often on ebay. They are usually if not always identified as coming out of a C body. I've never seen one in a B body. Governor Scott Walker is calling I better answer it. I have a feeling he won't be calling again after the presidential election is over!

WINGIN IT

Console aside, there are other items already mentioned that point this car is not completely "unrestored" .

JB400

Sometimes it's good to be from Missouri :2thumbs:  This is what I actually like seeing.  Instead of 20+ pages of bickering about this is right or wrong, we have people with factory information posting it and letting everyone see for themselves on whether it's right or wrong. Honestly, I'm convinced that the seatbelt clips are from a C body.  I also checked my B body  service manual, no sign of them.  As far as why this car has them, we need some more info from the owner on the history of it.  Thank you everyone for taking the time to post the info :2thumbs:  You know, they could be a dealer add on.

held1823

is this pdf found on the web, or from someone's personal cd?

that car is awesome. i sure hope we hear the details about it, at some point.
Ernie Helderbrand
XX29L9B409053

C5X DAYTONA

LOL.   Yes it is a Buddy's car.   355154.     They have owned it since 87.    The right fender has been replaced and the front repainted at one time.   The seats have been redone.   The cars did a lot of sitting out in the So Cal sun.  That is why the dash is cracked like it is and the paint baked.   The console is from a C-Body.   Here is a the add he purchased the car from.    



Quote from: pettybird on November 06, 2012, 02:24:49 PM
Machado will know whose car this is...it's a SoCal owner.  Those pics are at Spring Fling.


It's a cool car.  The couple times I'd seen it they had Mopar "driver's education" placards on it.  
Caution.... Low flying aircraft.

tan top

Quote from: held1823 on November 06, 2012, 11:32:58 PM
is this pdf found on the web, or from someone's personal cd?

that car is awesome. i sure hope we hear the details about it, at some point.

found on web ,


Quote from: C5X DAYTONA on November 07, 2012, 01:15:17 AM
LOL.   Yes it is a Buddy's car.   355154.     They have owned it since 87.    The right fender has been replaced and the front repainted at one time.   The seats have been redone.   The cars did a lot of sitting out in the So Cal sun.  That is why the dash is cracked like it is and the paint baked.   The console is from a C-Body.   Here is a the add he purchased the car from.     



Quote from: pettybird on November 06, 2012, 02:24:49 PM
Machado will know whose car this is...it's a SoCal owner.  Those pics are at Spring Fling.


It's a cool car.  The couple times I'd seen it they had Mopar "driver's education" placards on it. 

good find   :2thumbs: :popcrn:

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Just 6T9 CHGR

 The Bill Card Daytona seems to be built the same way (355153)

Minus the console seat belt clips ;)
Chris' '69 Charger R/T


C5X DAYTONA

Here is a pic of the tag from 355154 and 155.   Identical cars.   Even in condition.
Caution.... Low flying aircraft.

Just 6T9 CHGR

153 is almost the same as well....add the Super Track pack & minus the condition  ;)

Chris' '69 Charger R/T