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Author Topic: 1970Moparmann's Superbird - Continuous questions.....  (Read 50107 times)
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« on: November 27, 2012, 09:50:14 PM »

Honestly, I'm still in shock about this.

I've been a Mopar nut job since I got my first Charger.  My first encounter with a Wing car was at my first Mopar Nationals show was I was around 18/19.   My brother-in-law and I went and he had to drag me from the entrance where there were a bunch of Superbirds and Daytona's lined up.  I'm still trying to find the photo of me with the cars from the show. brickwall

Since I laid eyes on a Wing car, I always thought this is the holy grail of Mopars in my book.  Don't get me wrong, I love and appreciate most Mopars, but for me, a Bird or Daytona is the top.   Since my first Mopar Nationals, I always kept track of them with hopes on day I will get the pleasure to own one.  The closest I came was around 1997 when there was a white Bird in Minneapolis that was in a higher range of a budget.  At this time, I just couldn't come up with the extra cash to get it.   I kept with my Charger and was happy.  2thumbs

As years went on, I kept looking, but in early 2000's the prices just went higher and higher and higher.  I had to come to realization that I would never own one of these awesome cars.  In the last 10 years life continued and I was able to find some cool cars which I own today.  My 68 Charger was a hell of a learning experience and was the first Mopar I owned that I have so much sweat equity in.  My Coronet was purchased to "flip" after some work, but the wife loves it and this is "her car".

Since the Wing market has been down for a while,  4 months ago, I left a few PM's for some members here, and talked to some Mopar friends, asking if they ever come across a Wing car that needs some work, I would be very interested and to keep me in mind.   In the last 2 months, I looked at and got information on some C500's, a Daytona, and a few Birds.  As much as I knew I would have to sell my 70 Charger RT, I probably would have to sell my 68 Charger also.  As you know, it's hard enough to sell one car fast with getting a fair price, and add another one is nearly impossible.   As much as I appreciate the C500's, I knew I still wouldn't be completely satisfied based on my dream of getting a Wing car.   The Wing cars I looked at would force me to sell both Chargers, and honestly, I don't think I can ever be Chargerless!  I've owned a Charger for 25 years!!!  2thumbs

Well, Rex, a member here found a Bird that was "restored" in 1984 / 1985 and starting to show it's age.  He decided to sell this Bird and another car to get a Bird that didn't need to be restored.   Rex and I have been in contact for close to a month, and the deal was done yesterday!  cheers cheers

REX, THANK YOU FOR BEING PATIENT WITH ME AND NOT SELLING TO THE DEALER - YOU HONESTLY MADE MY CAR DREAM COME TRUE!!!  I TRULY APPRECIATE IT. 2thumbs  I'm looking forward to seeing you at the meets!

When Rex opened his trailer yesterday, I actually started to shake...  I'm still thinking I'm having a dream and when I wake up the car won't be in the garage.

I appreciate all the help that people on the board have provided me and want to thank you even more for all the questions I'm going to have while I start going through the car. 2thumbs  

Here is the information on the car-

-Michigan car
-440 6 pack 4 speed!
-Originally yellow
-Owned by Kirk Brinks from Grand Rapids from 1984 until this past August
-VIN - RM23VOA172646
-Car is missing the original engine, which was in the owners possession in the 90's and the build sheet.  

If anyone knows anything about this car, PLEASE let me know.  Rex is going to provide me the friend of the family contact information to see if I can get more information.

Here are some pictures-





Still can't believe I have a Bird in the garage! 2thumbs




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« Reply #1 on: November 27, 2012, 10:07:35 PM »

Congratulations on your purchase   2thumbs Drive it and enjoy   2thumbs
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« Reply #2 on: November 27, 2012, 10:22:21 PM »


Still can't believe I have a Bird in the garage! 2thumbs


It will take a while to sink in.   But it is a good feeling to know.    Congrats!
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« Reply #3 on: November 27, 2012, 10:29:13 PM »

How many trips out to the garage have you taken tonight?
Congrats, and the end to a long wait.
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« Reply #4 on: November 27, 2012, 10:58:18 PM »

 cheers   That is so cool.   2thumbs
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« Reply #5 on: November 27, 2012, 11:03:44 PM »

How many trips out to the garage have you taken tonight?

Freak'in hilarious!  Just came from the garage!!!  2thumbs

Thanks all.......... cheers
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« Reply #6 on: November 28, 2012, 01:28:25 AM »

Glad to hear you got your dream car.  Enjoy the ride of a lifetime 2thumbs
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« Reply #7 on: November 28, 2012, 01:40:26 AM »

Thats a tough one to pull off 1970MM, well done , very pleased for you  2thumbs
I'd just about throw my eye teeth in the deal to make it stick too  lol

More pics then  yesnod
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« Reply #8 on: November 28, 2012, 03:14:15 AM »

How many trips out to the garage have you taken tonight?

Freak'in hilarious!  Just came from the garage!!!  2thumbs

Thanks all.......... cheers


 Shocked   wow  dance  ,   love to see more pictures & stuff  yesnod popcrn
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« Reply #9 on: November 28, 2012, 05:08:15 AM »

Thats AWESOME!!!! 2thumbs

congratulations! cheers
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« Reply #10 on: November 28, 2012, 05:22:36 AM »

Wow, that is a great story, congratulations!
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« Reply #11 on: November 28, 2012, 06:22:13 AM »

awesome news   2thumbs 2thumbs 2thumbs 2thumbs 2thumbs 2thumbs 2thumbs
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« Reply #12 on: November 28, 2012, 06:29:45 AM »

Congrad's !!!!  Now, you are the newest AB !!!!  Aero-Bastard.....  icon_smile_big

I used to go back and forth to my garage to see it, leave the garage door open so I could see the wing from the kitchen window..... It's a completely different visual experience.....

Well done, she is much cleaner than I envisioned from your texts to me........ Again, well done...... I'm glad you didn't trade me your '70 for my '69.. Both our paths were meant for different destinations and we all now see where yours was intented..  2thumbs

Oh yeah, time to change your avatar picture............. But like me, you're probably used to your username.... At least it is universal since both the Charger and 'Bird are '70's..........
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« Reply #13 on: November 28, 2012, 07:52:52 AM »

Thanks guys.   

The car is from the Midwest, thus it has the Midwest factors to it.   The car can definitely be enjoyed while working on it.  The MI owner had some fun with the wiring because it is a mess.   Will get new wiring harnesses as my first project.

First question for the car -  Is a Wing car wiring harness the same as a Charger / Roadrunner?
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« Reply #14 on: November 28, 2012, 07:58:39 AM »

Congrats!
Looks like a great car, welcome to the world of wings!
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« Reply #15 on: November 28, 2012, 08:13:02 AM »

...First question for the car -  Is a Wing car wiring harness the same as a Charger / Roadrunner?

Depends on what you're talking about ( which area ). If you have an original-good harness from another '70 Charger/RoadRunnner, you may be able to use this to repair the original-messed-up harness. Now, the headlamp switch of the Bird is going to be like the '68-'69 Charger in the sense it has the vacuum ports and hoses. The '70 model year was all electric. The '70 front end harness would have the side mark lights incorporated along with the front turn signal plugs. Are all the harness hoses or just the engine harness? The engine harness should be the same as any other '70 B-body (except you now have a 6bbl application and hence the coil wires are going to be in a slightly different location possibly and you'll have the additional plug for the idle solenoid).

Have you ever owned a 6bbl before? If not, welcome to another world of difference, especially with that 4-speed behind it..  icon_smile_big
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« Reply #16 on: November 28, 2012, 08:27:27 AM »

CONGRAT'S MIKE!  The car looks fantastic, I can't wait to see it in person.

It is great to see good things happen to good people.

As for the wiring harness...Bill Evans is the guy to get them from in my experience:
http://www.evanswiring.com/

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« Reply #17 on: November 28, 2012, 08:55:57 AM »

CONGRAT'S MIKE!  The car looks fantastic, I can't wait to see it in person.

It is great to see good things happen to good people.

As for the wiring harness...Bill Evans is the guy to get them from in my experience:
http://www.evanswiring.com/

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One thing I've experience problems would be the engine harnesses with the electronic conversion kit. I had two different friend have problems with them. I would get evan's OEM engine harness and then convert to a Pertronix Ignitor II system with modifications to the ballast resistor (taking out the coil resistor and replacing with appropriate guage straight wire for a 12v in, 12v out feed.)

By the way Mike, I don't think I've ever seen pics of your '68, that's a cool looking car...
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« Reply #18 on: November 28, 2012, 09:08:50 AM »

I show RM23VOA172646 as FY1  D Whitsel Detriot
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1970 Daytona Clone XP29GOG178701
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« Reply #19 on: November 28, 2012, 09:50:40 AM »

Awesome thread Mike! Congrats again
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« Reply #20 on: November 28, 2012, 10:18:03 AM »

If a 70 Charger harness is all you had it will work .The 2 wire motor plug out by the bulkhead leave in the car taped up.The other relay wires are  behind left corner of dash tape them up
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« Reply #21 on: November 28, 2012, 10:18:22 AM »

Congrats of your purchase
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« Reply #22 on: November 28, 2012, 11:15:28 AM »

I would get evan's OEM engine harness and then convert to a Pertronix Ignitor II system with modifications to the ballast resistor (taking out the coil resistor and replacing with appropriate guage straight wire for a 12v in, 12v out feed.)

X2!  this is what I'm running in my Daytona
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« Reply #23 on: November 28, 2012, 02:35:06 PM »

Good for you. Enjoy!  2thumbs
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« Reply #24 on: November 28, 2012, 02:43:33 PM »

Mike, just noticed those nice pretty tires............................................................................  Nuff said................................................  Get some nice Goodyear Radials........  I had those on my Daytona. Granted, they look great, but ride horrible... Just food for thought, you don't have to order from the menu...

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