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Fuel type and cost, what do you use?

Started by b5blue, August 22, 2025, 11:05:48 AM

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b5blue

  Just filled up at WaWa's, 93OCT at 3.79per and wondering what you use? I'm trying normal 10% ethanol mix after a few years of 89OCT non ethanol with my lower compression 440 that was swapped out recently. Itching to drive I let it sit for a full week to test fuel just sitting.

b5blue

Well it can sit for 3 days and starts with just a wee bit of hesitation.  :scratchchin:

DownZero

I use the non ethanol. Sometimes I mix a little av gas if I'm feeling frioggy.

426HemiChick

Quote from: DownZero on September 14, 2025, 05:54:27 PMI use the non ethanol. Sometimes I mix a little av gas if I'm feeling frioggy.

I have known several people that have run 100 LL Avgas in their pre no-lead cars.

Back in the late 60's we ran our 68 Hemi RR and 69 Dodge 440 Six-Pack on Sunoco 260 pump gas. Think we were paying about $0.36.9 / gal back then.

It was still available in 1978 but know nothing about it after that.

Have fun.

HC
Veteran - US Navy  Ex-Smoker (05 Mar 69) 56 years, heading for 100, 44 to go. Still lots to learn, lots to make up for. Weren't no angel. Fugitive from Southlake TX's Kangaroo Court

Kern Dog

Quote from: 426HemiChick on September 14, 2025, 08:27:37 PMBack in the late 60's we ran our 68 Hemi RR and 69 Dodge 440 Six-Pack on Sunoco 260 pump gas.

Ah, back when MEN were MEN and women were women...The good old days.
Regarding the original topic, it is interesting how one can do everything right and have a car that knocks while in other instances, you can do a lot of things wrong and it runs fine.
When I built my first stroked 440, Hensely Performance guys said it would run fine on pump gas. It didn't.
In California, the best we get at the pump is 91 octane with "up to 10% ethanol".
The 440/493 was at 10.8 to 1. It knocked at anything over 1/2 throttle even with the timing limited to 31 degrees. I tried slowing the advance curve, tried 2 different bigger cams but the only thing that helped was higher octane gas. I was able to get 100, 104 and 110 octane gas in 5 gallon pails at the local NAPA store. It barely knocked on the 104 but the 110 totally eliminated it. I chose to change to thicker head gaskets to lower the compression to 10.17 to 1.
From there, it ran fine on 91. Years later the cam lost a few lobes so I pulled the engine and used this as an excuse to go through it all. I replaced the pistons with a set of ICON dished ones from the 440 Source. I'm now at 9.8 to 1 and can run 89 octane without knocking. I have not tried 87.

496polara

Thankfully non ethanol 93 and 89 are available at multiple stations within 5 miles from me. All three carb'd cars get this and the lawnmower too.
I have an 01 mustang gt that gets driven so infrequently it gets non ethanol too.
1972 Duster 440,1972 Chrysler Newport 400,1982 Chevy C10 454,01 Ford Mustang GT vert,06 Chevy Impala SS

426HemiChick

15 Sep 25

If I remember correctly, if you order a new Dual fuel (E85, a flex fuel made from a blend of 51–83% ethanol and gasoline) car, it will come with a stainless steel fuel system. It'll run fine on 85 % alcohol to 100 % gasoline. You just don't have to worry about rust in the fuel system. Remember, alcohol attracts water. Also when running E85 fuel, milage and power are low compared to pure gasoline.

These vehicles are getting difficult to come by; not many people want them.

It's an expensive option but worth it in my opinion.

FKD
Veteran - US Navy  Ex-Smoker (05 Mar 69) 56 years, heading for 100, 44 to go. Still lots to learn, lots to make up for. Weren't no angel. Fugitive from Southlake TX's Kangaroo Court

Kern Dog

You have your opinion, SIR but it sure seems like those of us that still have classic cars do encounter people that want to buy them.

held1823

Just curious, and nothing to do with the actual topic.

Someone seems to think of himself as "manly" yet he obviously feels threatened by something that has zero bearing on him. It doesn't affect his own life in any way whatsoever, other than he can't seem to get it out of his head. I'm just curious if it makes him feel better to make himself look small to everyone else...
Ernie Helderbrand
XX29L9B409053


426HemiChick

16 Sep 25

Just for the record, we still have our 68 Hemi RR and 69 Six-Pack Super Bee with 4405 and 2681 miles respectively on their clocks .... and two Mustangs, an 87 Police Stang and a 2024 Mustang Dark Horse bought new. The 87 has 00003.1 miles on the clock and the 2024 has about 7K + a few. We do drive it .... to the grocery store.

We sold our 69 Hemi Daytona in 2020 and our 70 Hemi Cuda 4 Spd around 74 - 75. A year or so later a friend saw it in a wrecking yard rolled up in a ball. Have no idea what happened to the driver; hope he was't still in it.

We do have three other vehicles, two of which we still use.

Does the above qualify us to post here?

HC
Veteran - US Navy  Ex-Smoker (05 Mar 69) 56 years, heading for 100, 44 to go. Still lots to learn, lots to make up for. Weren't no angel. Fugitive from Southlake TX's Kangaroo Court

Kern Dog

Those are great manly cars. Owning and driving them is what men do.   :2thumbs: Cheers to you, SIR.

Kern Dog

Quote from: held1823 on September 16, 2025, 10:04:05 AMJust curious, and nothing to do with the actual topic.

Someone seems to think of himself as "manly" yet he obviously feels threatened by something that has zero bearing on him. It doesn't affect his own life in any way whatsoever, other than he can't seem to get it out of his head. I'm just curious if it makes him feel better to make himself look small to everyone else...

You misunderstood. I remember the Hemi Dude had a thread here where he had a couple of classics in his garage and couldn't figure out how to open the garage door to get pictures of them. As a car guy, it seemed strange to own two desirable classics but have no ability to open a door to get a look at them. Awhile later, he did get the door open and snapped some pictures. His cars were cool and certainly worth owning. It was revealed at that time that he was a former member here with a different screen name. Somewhere between the old screen name and the new one, he decided to start pretending that he was a woman. This is deception and should not be tolerated. Do you like people lying to you?
If you are confused about this, imagine the life of a person that uses the name "Hemi chick" while being an 85 year old man. Those that go along with delusional thinking are doing no one any favors.
He is a man that pretends to be a "Hemi Chick".
I treat him for what he really is, a  man.

held1823

Quote from: Kern Dog on September 16, 2025, 12:59:03 PM
Quote from: held1823 on September 16, 2025, 10:04:05 AMJust curious, and nothing to do with the actual topic.

Someone seems to think of himself as "manly" yet he obviously feels threatened by something that has zero bearing on him. It doesn't affect his own life in any way whatsoever, other than he can't seem to get it out of his head. I'm just curious if it makes him feel better to make himself look small to everyone else...

If you are confused about this, imagine the life of a person that uses the name "Hemi chick" while being an 85 year old man. Those that go along with delusional thinking are doing no one any favors.
He is a man that pretends to be a "Hemi Chick".
I treat him for what he really is, a  man.


I'm not confused about anything. One is a decent human being, and one isn't
Ernie Helderbrand
XX29L9B409053

Kern Dog


Pacifying delusional people is not being decent, it is promoting insanity.
Enabling a addict is just as bad.
"Identifying as" means "pretending to be".
Defending his actions really speaks volumes about you and others like you.
Now, I never started the fire here, I just treated him like a man. I did that because he is a man.


John_Kunkel

Quote from: Karen Dog on September 16, 2025, 12:59:03 PMIt was revealed at that time that he was a former member here with a different screen name. Somewhere between the old screen name and the new one, he decided to start pretending that he was a woman.


Revealed by who and verified y who?
Pardon me but my karma just ran over your dogma.

Kern Dog

Late model engines have the advantage of computer controls that allow them to have higher compression ratios while running fine on the available fuels.
I was too young to drive a late 70s car when they were new but if the stories told are true, event the cars with low compression sometimes detonated on regular fuel. There were 400s and 440s with 7.8 and 8.2 to 1 compression. I've torn down 440s that calculated in the mid 7s! The 5.7 Hemis in later model trucks are around 10.5 to 1 and they run on 87 octane fuel, though in parentheses, they state (89 recommended)
I sure don't know it all so I take advice from those with more experience. I read that with quench, you have greater resistance to detonation at higher compression ratios. The factories proved this. Closed chambered heads help with that. Flat top pistons like this:

DSCN1915.JPG

Are great for increased compression but quench/dished pistons like this...

G 52.jpg

are even better. Again, I'm no expert but I'm told that during the compression stroke, the flat portion of the piston causes the air/fuel mixture to swirl and move toward the dished area where the spark then ignites it. The swirl and movement cools the mixture and makes for a better burn.
I went with the dished pistons in 2022 and have had absolutely no detonation issues since.

Kern Dog

Quote from: John_Kunkel on September 16, 2025, 02:08:35 PM
Quote from: Kern Dog on September 16, 2025, 12:59:03 PMIt was revealed at that time that he was a former member here with a different screen name. Somewhere between the old screen name and the new one, he decided to start pretending that he was a woman.


Revealed by who and verified y who?

I guess if I were inclined, I could dig way back and find the thread if it still exists. It may have been locked and deleted. It may have been heavily edited.
Please know that I have no issue with gay people. I have them in my family and I love them as I do everyone else.
I do have a big problem with lies and deception. Everyone should.

Here is something for you:
http://www.dodgecharger.com/forum/index.php/topic,135489.550.html

Scroll to the bottom of the last page.

held1823

Quote from: Kern Dog on September 16, 2025, 12:59:03 PM
Quote from: held1823 on September 16, 2025, 10:04:05 AMJust curious, and nothing to do with the actual topic.

Someone seems to think of himself as "manly" yet he obviously feels threatened by something that has zero bearing on him. It doesn't affect his own life in any way whatsoever, other than he can't seem to get it out of his head. I'm just curious if it makes him feel better to make himself look small to everyone else...

You misunderstood. I remember the Hemi Dude had a thread here where he had a couple of classics in his garage and couldn't figure out how to open the garage door to get pictures of them. As a car guy, it seemed strange to own two desirable classics but have no ability to open a door to get a look at them. Awhile later, he did get the door open and snapped some pictures. His cars were cool and certainly worth owning. It was revealed at that time that he was a former member here with a different screen name. Somewhere between the old screen name and the new one, he decided to start pretending that he was a woman. This is deception and should not be tolerated. Do you like people lying to you?
If you are confused about this, imagine the life of a person that uses the name "Hemi chick" while being an 85 year old man. Those that go along with delusional thinking are doing no one any favors.
He is a man that pretends to be a "Hemi Chick".
I treat him for what he really is, a  man.


Where to start.

I very well remember the first post; it was made on the thread for my car, and it used the same name that is seen here.

The garage door issue was a bit more involved than just "opening the door". The hardware had failed, and no one, not even your alpha male self, would risk damaging any of the three valuable cars inside that two car garage without properly assessing the situation, let alone doing so at eighty years old.

There was no deception. A car that rare was remembered by long time fans, and never once did the owner pretend to not have been the owner all along. I don't feel compelled to "imagine the life" of anyone, but it's odd that you are so hung up on it. Last I knew, they didn't owe anyone an explanation nor do they have to live their life to fit your narrow mindedness.

"going along with it does no one any favors". That's fine, as no one but you is looking for anything. No one asks us to approve of how anyone else lives their life, but no one asked for your asinine commentary, either. It has ZERO impact on anyone here. Showing your ass about it does nothing but reflect on you. Your user name is "dog"- Do you see anyone bitching about you identifying as a dog?

Ironically, you mentioned posts being edited, when your original reply here was also edited. The original text is still in the quoted part of my reply above. I'm pretty sure you had been banned from here once before, but that might have been from a different site. Hopefully when one of the moderators comes along, you're gone again. Any positive impact you make here is undone by the pettiness, hatred, and bigotry that you spew.
Ernie Helderbrand
XX29L9B409053

Kern Dog

I never showed "my ass" despite your obvious desire to see it.
I only edited down the commentary from the Hemi guy only for the sake of concentrating on what pertained to my point. The words written were the words he wrote. I did not rework the context or the structure other than scaling it back.
Nobody on the forum needed to know what gender the man was but he was compelled to push his fantasy on others with the hope that they would accept or congratulate him for it. Oddly, those like you actually have by going along with the deception that he himself admitted to doing. If he were to simply have a "426 Hemi Fan" name or something unrelated to his pretend gender, it would have gone unnoticed and nobody would have cared. If he were to simple post comments with no reference to gender at all, he would have been just another member but there lies a common problem with "that" type of person. They want validation for their fantasy. I'm not one to support that sort of thing. If I saw the guy in a dress out in public, I'd shrug my shoulders and walk on my way but if he tried to get me to call him ma'am or to say he is a woman, fuck off...it will not happen.
You think that I am rude. That is fine. I am not wrong though. I did not lie, I did not make false statements either.
Honest truth disturbs some people.

held1823

Here's the point.

No one asked us to call them anything, respect anything, or reply to anything.
No one asked us for congratualtions, acceptance, or even understanding.
No one asked us for validation, nor asked us to even care.
No one asked us to rethink our personal views or opinions.
No one but you seems to have thought otherwise.
Scroll on by the things that bother you.
It's just that simple.
It's just that easy.
Ernie Helderbrand
XX29L9B409053

Kern Dog

Do you remember the slogan If you see something, SAY something?
I do.
I do also remember the Live and let live sentiment. If he were to have not used a false gender reference, I'd have never noticed anything unusual about him.
You mention what is simple, how about this?
Tell the truth or tell nothing.
Tell no lies. THAT is the truth and that is simple.

LaOtto70Charger

Kern dog.  If you see something say something would be us calling you out for being a bully. Not you calling out someone for having a screen name you disagree with. Live and let live would be you not mentioning anything about it and going out of your way to target someone.

held1823

Quote from: LaOtto70Charger on September 16, 2025, 06:31:06 PMKern dog.  If you see something say something would be us calling you out for being a bully. Not you calling out someone for having a screen name you disagree with. Live and let live would be you not mentioning anything about it and going out of your way to target someone.

BINGO

not for nothing, "if you see something, say something" originated with Homeland Security in response to 9-11.
It's a bit dramatic to apply it as justification for bigotry
 
Ernie Helderbrand
XX29L9B409053

Kern Dog

Quote from: LaOtto70Charger on September 16, 2025, 06:31:06 PMKern dog.  If you see something say something would be us calling you out for being a bully.

That is one way to look at it.
Another would be to see a lie being told and to call it out. It isn't being a bully to see a lie being told and root it out. This shows a sad lack of integrity to see people tolerate it.
To see so many people either defend a lie or to stay silent and go along with it is very disappointing.

Regarding gasoline, as I have tried to point out until held1823 kept interrupting, can be a tricky thing.
Rick Ehrenberg from Mopar Action magazine has written that the octane number on gas that has ethanol in it is often a higher octane than is listed on the label. I'd like to see a test on that. he may be right but I just don't know.
We gad 92 octane unleaded until the late 90s or early 2000s when it was scaled back to 91. They used an oxygenate called MTBE to reduce smog, that was found to pollute groundwater so they phased in ethanol. The red car is the only one that with which I have had detonation problems. I was told that detonation leaves ice pick type marks in the pistons but when I pulled the heads to slip in thicker head gaskets, the pistons looked great.
I swore I heard it knocking but there was no traditional evidence of it.

493 piston 8.jpg

I was pulling my hair out trying to stop the knocking....so desperate I posted on several forums asking for help. That was 10-12 years ago.

Kern Dog

Back when I was trying the different octane fuels to stop the knocking, the 110 stuff I had was leaded.
I didn't use it all in the car since I had installed an air/fuel gauge with an oxygen sensor. I only ran a little of the leaded gas to see if it made a difference.
I ran the rest of the 110 through my lawnmower. Mowing the yard was great! It smelled like 1977 all over again....me as a little kid mowing lawns to earn money to buy parts for my bike, stuff I broke by jumping the bike in the big field behind the house.
It is interesting how the sense of smell can bring back a memory.
You smell eggs cooking and mixed with an aroma of sausage and pancakes in the air, you think back about grandmas house during a weekend stayover. Maybe you smell a perfume and think of some woman you used to know.

Kern Dog

Who has seen a Mopar with a propane or natural gas conversion?
A few years back a light blue early 70s Charger, Coronet or Satellite made the rounds at the car shows out west. It had cylinder tanks in the trunk in a way that looked home made.
I remember a buddy bough a propane converted mid 70s Camaro in the late 80s. From what I remember, propane engines don't get carboned up like poorly tuned gasoline engines do.
There is a dude that brings his electric Charger to two of the weekend cars and coffee events here. Nobody seems to show interest in the car but the guy keeps showing up, hoping....

Mike DC

                                   
                     
As for screen names, I didn't think much about the 'HemiChick' name when I saw it.  It's the internet.  Don't go on web forums if you cannot handle talking to 'Rush Limbaugh' and '69ChevelleSS' and 'deeznuts' and 'Assclown1776'.

Gender?  I dunno.  Is that a man or woman on that account?  LGBTQ?  Is it multiple people (a couple?) who post with the same screen name?  Is it a man's account who named it after his wife?  Or maybe it's named after the dog in the pic? 

Whatever.  I didn't feel a pressing need for an explanation.  Still don't. 

What gender is 'deeznuts?'

What gender is '69ChevelleSS'?

----------------------------


Gasoline: 

Of course I dislike ethanol but it's pretty hard to avoid in the midwest.  Especially on road trips.  I usually just roll with what's available. 

For my lawnmower/etc I tend to get lazy and buy the overpriced cans these days.  (Sometimes I mix that stuff with pump gasoline.)  94 octane + no ethanol or lead + stabilizers for storage.  The upside is that the lawn machines start on the first pull and they seem to work for a few years without attention.   


Compression ratios -
I never got the appeal of running barely-safe ratios on a street engine.  If the car can't handle being revved hard on a hot day . . . Umm, isn't that the main thing you do with it?  You probably don't drive it in the fall/winter.  You didn't put that hot cam & headers & low gears in it so you could baby it. 


The gen-2 Hemi heads had big combustion chambers because they were open chamber + big bore + Hemi.  The G3 Hemi heads have those big 'quench pads' added beside the valves to bring down the combustion chamber size. 

I have wondered why there aren't aftermarket G2 Hemi heads with that feature.  I'm not an engine expert but it seems to me like that might be a good idea (when paired with appropriate custom pistons).

G3 Hemi combustion chamber:


   

Kern Dog

For all of the doom and gloom that was said about ethanol, the only problem that I have had with it is that the rubber fuel lines do go bad faster. The cars always seem to run fine on it.

John_Kunkel

Quote from: held1823 on September 16, 2025, 04:47:40 PMYour user name is "dog"- Do you see anyone bitching about you identifying as a dog?

 :haha:

QuoteAny positive impact you make here is undone by the pettiness, hatred, and bigotry that you spew.

 :thumbs:
Pardon me but my karma just ran over your dogma.

b5blue

I just don't read anything he posts. He is intent on bickering to the point of destroying topics and there by making "search" useless. Ignore him and maybe he will go away.


426HemiChick

17 Sep 25

Does Terminal Cancer go away?

HC
Veteran - US Navy  Ex-Smoker (05 Mar 69) 56 years, heading for 100, 44 to go. Still lots to learn, lots to make up for. Weren't no angel. Fugitive from Southlake TX's Kangaroo Court

Kern Dog

Quote from: 426HemiChick on September 17, 2025, 01:31:13 PM17 Sep 25

Does Terminal Cancer go away?

HC
Allowing insanity to run unchecked is just as bad as ignoring a disease and letting it kill you.
Last week's events shows us what terrible outcomes one can expect when delusional thinking runs amok.
The majority of the mass shootings of late trace back to sexually confused people. The media won't dig deep on it because they are part of the problem.

426HemiChick

17 Sep 25

Quote from: b5blue on August 22, 2025, 11:05:48 AMJust filled up at WaWa's, 93OCT at 3.79per and wondering what you use? I'm trying normal 10% ethanol mix after a few years of 89OCT non ethanol with my lower compression 440 that was swapped out recently. Itching to drive I let it sit for a full week to test fuel just sitting.

Your $3.79 for 93 Oct looks good compared to our $3.99.9 for the lowest grade. Sadly, most of the fuel sold in Arizona comes from the state of CA.

HC
Veteran - US Navy  Ex-Smoker (05 Mar 69) 56 years, heading for 100, 44 to go. Still lots to learn, lots to make up for. Weren't no angel. Fugitive from Southlake TX's Kangaroo Court

John_Kunkel

Quote from: Karen Dog on September 17, 2025, 01:38:46 PM
Quote from: 426HemiChick on September 17, 2025, 01:31:13 PM17 Sep 25

Does Terminal Cancer go away?

HC
Allowing insanity to run unchecked is just as bad as ignoring a disease and letting it kill you.
Last week's events shows us what terrible outcomes one can expect when delusional thinking runs amok.
The majority of the mass shootings of late trace back to sexually confused people. The media won't dig deep on it because they are part of the problem.

Atta boy, spout the party line like the trained parrot you are.  :smilielol:
Pardon me but my karma just ran over your dogma.

Kern Dog

Was there any reference to any political party?
Since YOU mentioned it, WHO is pushing acceptance of violence against their opposition?
Did you know that one side is 6 times more likely to tolerate violence against their opposition than the other side is?
Care to spell out which side advocates for more violence than the other.
Here is a fact...
Dipshits on this forum fuck up more threads than I ever could. You idiots follow me around, quoting me and criticizing what you don't agree with which FUCKS UP THREADS far more than anything could.
The forum gets the most action when you idiots band together to criticize instead of actually commenting on automotive matters.
I try to start threads to get conversation going and despite my efforts, the old, the decrepit and the stupid want to glom onto something that I wrote that offends them. I don't care for that B5 Blue dude but the guy actually makes efforts to get conversations going. Lloyd does too in a smaller scale. What about the rest of you?
It is a fair guess that the critics are either too old to work on these cars anymore but you guys don't even try to keep the spirit alive here.
When was the last member that posted about actually doing something with his car?  TimmyCharger did a hood scoop and paint but who else besides he and I actually work on our cars?
I revived a thread from 2019 about the Hemi dude and the drama about his broken garage door saga....a $155 repair that had his cars stranded in a garage for 10 years and there was a mix of support and insults peppered in that thread.
A majority of the members that commented there don't come to this site anymore. Of the ones that do remain, we have maybe 10 good contributors and then there are the rest. One dude that thinks he is a woman,  another 80+ year old has been that can't spin a wrench but loves to follow me everywhere, Mike DC who I disagree with politically but is very smart with mechanical matters, Nacho, a friendly electrical guru and a few more that don't come to mind at the moment.
Why has this site faded so much while FBBO has increased it's membership? I know that Chargers are not the cheapest cars to buy and restore but if FBBO is doing so well, why is this site dying?
Maybe it is because over there, when members actually contribute, their critics are not allowed to run amok. If you chase away those that actually DO SOMETHING WITH THEIR CARS AND POST ABOUT IT, there is nothing to see on the forum.
A forum is only as good as the traffic it generates.
This topic was about fuel and I tried to comment on that, yet idiots like to muddy the waters.
Go back to post # 8 and think about what he wrote, then look back at what I wrote.
I never lied.

held1823

Quote from: Kern Dog on September 17, 2025, 03:13:06 PMThis topic was about fuel and I tried to comment on that, yet idiots like to muddy the waters.
Go back to post # 8 and think about what he wrote, then look back at what I wrote.
I never lied.

yes, post #7 contributed so much to civil conversation. gtfoh
Ernie Helderbrand
XX29L9B409053

426HemiChick

Quote from: Kern Dog on September 17, 2025, 01:38:46 PM
Quote from: 426HemiChick on September 17, 2025, 01:31:13 PM17 Sep 25

Does Terminal Cancer go away?

HC
Allowing insanity to run unchecked is just as bad as ignoring a disease and letting it kill you.
Last week's events shows us what terrible outcomes one can expect when delusional thinking runs amok.
The majority of the mass shootings of late trace back to sexually confused people. The media won't dig deep on it because they are part of the problem.

17 Sep 25

You have answered my question: What do you think of anyone that has an opinion differing from yours?

Conclusion: "Anyone that differs in any way from your thinking is crazy."

Your comment: "The majority of the mass shootings of late trace back to sexually confused people." Cite your proof, not your opinion.

Your comment indicates you have: "Narcissistic Personality Disorder (NPD)"

There's only one person on this planet that thinks you are always right and not delusional, and that is YOU !!!

HC
Veteran - US Navy  Ex-Smoker (05 Mar 69) 56 years, heading for 100, 44 to go. Still lots to learn, lots to make up for. Weren't no angel. Fugitive from Southlake TX's Kangaroo Court

426HemiChick

17 Sep 25

Read your post #35. You need psychological help big time; you are batshit crazy !!!

Don't be surprised if the feds pay you a visit to confiscate your BB gun.

HC
Veteran - US Navy  Ex-Smoker (05 Mar 69) 56 years, heading for 100, 44 to go. Still lots to learn, lots to make up for. Weren't no angel. Fugitive from Southlake TX's Kangaroo Court

426HemiChick

17 Sep 25

Read your post #12. If you actually went back and read my post about the garage door, you would understand why I was reluctant to open the door. During the previous attempt to open it part of the door came out of the track. Fortunately, the door didn't have a motorized opener. When the door partially came out of the track I stopped the door and pulled it back down.

I left the door down, called a couple door companies who came out. They refused to work on it while the cars were in the garage. A catch 22 situation.

Eventually, while talking to a friend in the door business I told him of my situation. He gave me the name and phone # of a competitor.

Called him, he came out and gave me a quote of $150.00 and the cars could remain in the garage.

A week or so later I had him come out and fix the door. He replaced all the door rollers, adjusted the tracks and springs and gave me a bill for $151.22. In an attempt at being humorous I feigned being upset with $1.22 overcharge.

After that the door worked better than it had ever worked. I was much appreciative for the door guy's knowledge and skills. He was an independent and had his own shop. The friend that recommended him could have lost his job had his boss found out he had recommended a competitor.

So learn to read and not quote from your feeble memory.

My God, You are one sick SOB. Hopefully someday you'll receive the treatment you deserve, which is called: Electroconvulsive Therapy (ECT). Highly recommend it so you may one day be able to rejoin the human race.

HC
Veteran - US Navy  Ex-Smoker (05 Mar 69) 56 years, heading for 100, 44 to go. Still lots to learn, lots to make up for. Weren't no angel. Fugitive from Southlake TX's Kangaroo Court

Kern Dog

Quote from: held1823 on September 17, 2025, 07:15:15 PM
Quote from: Kern Dog on September 17, 2025, 03:13:06 PMThis topic was about fuel and I tried to comment on that, yet idiots like to muddy the waters.
Go back to post # 8 and think about what he wrote, then look back at what I wrote.
I never lied.

yes, post #7 contributed so much to civil conversation. gtfoh
It wasn't a lie. Prove me wrong.

Kern Dog

If you don't like it when someone tells you the truth, that is your loss. Put me on IGNORE and stay ignorant of reality.
I never claimed to always be right but when a man pretends to be a woman, it is a man lying to himself. When others go along with it, they are accomplices.
In general, I find Chester to be a pleasant man. He writes well and is polite but there is still deception going on.

His words:

Quote from: 426HemiChick on June 12, 2019, 03:37:44 AM
Good evening folks,                            12 June 2019

Thought I'd take the time to try and clear the air and apologize for anything I may have said or done here on this site.

Some times deception is necessary. What kind of reception would I have received had I announced I was a Transgender/Transsexual female who owns a 69 Hemi Daytona, blah, blah, blah. My guess is most folks would have thought it was a big put-on. I'm sure you have maybe 1 member that's Trans ..... me. We had no idea what the reaction my being here would illicit.

 I am proud of who and what I am. I am out publicly and legally. I'm not a cross dresser, I am female and wear women's clothing. I'm not pretty, wish I were, but that would take a Fort Knox stash of cash to pay for the necessary surgery.
426 Hemi Chicks

He never had to tell anyone anything about his personal life. It is completely irrelevant here.
THAT is the issue. A man lies and you just go along with it. I don't.
If anyone were to be caught in any other type of lie on a forum and continue to stick to it, most decent people would either shun the person or outright call them out. Somehow, because he is a confused person sexually, he gets a pass for the lie?
If he never would have mentioned his personal issues, he would have slipped right by. GO back and read the thread I revived. I'm not the only one that objected to this. Most of the ones that called him out are no longer posting on the forum. Sure, you may be happy about them being gone but your acceptance of this mess made many people uncomfortable enough to stop posting here.
I had a gay brother and loved him as I did the rest of the family. He was true to himself and didn't lie about it. Wearing a dress and calling yourself by a female name does not make you a woman. It makes you a liar.
You are a nice man though. If it weren't for the fact that you lied, I'd think you are someone worthy of respect.
Too bad we can't rewind the clock and let you Undo the "confession" you made. You also deleted a BUNCH of comments in that other thread, stuff you would have never had to do had you refrained from "coming out" on a worldwide forum.

426HemiChick

Quote from: Kern Dog on September 16, 2025, 02:10:02 AMYou have your opinion, SIR but it sure seems like those of us that still have classic cars do encounter people that want to buy them.
17 Sep 25

We do get offers to buy them. So far we have not entered the game. We have considered selling them but so far we have not gone past that point.

We had the Hemi Daytona for 48 years. Many offers to buy it. Turned them down. In 2016 we turned down $1.2 mil. Didn't like the guy, a multi Millionaire crook, who was a known swindler; had a felony record and was on probation at the time.

One of the things I enjoyed was telling the thief to take his money and stick it where the sun didn't shine. We had something a rich creep wanted and we kept him from getting it. That was worth more than what he offered for the car.

HC
Veteran - US Navy  Ex-Smoker (05 Mar 69) 56 years, heading for 100, 44 to go. Still lots to learn, lots to make up for. Weren't no angel. Fugitive from Southlake TX's Kangaroo Court

Kern Dog

Aside from one glaring issue, we are all still car people.
I'm going to let sleeping dogs lie. I will try to make NO more comments about this issue unless I feel forced to do so.
Like I stated, I had a gay brother that was a nice person that left us way too soon. I miss his humor and his spirit. I respected that he didn't hide from who he was. I have a real hard time with deception. I always have.
On other forums, I've had to put members on IGNORE to keep me from being dragged into arguments like we have seen here.
I should have just stated my opinion and closed the book on it all.
I meant what I wrote before. I don't see Chester as a bad guy. He writes well, is polite and at his age, he probably has numerous stories he could tell that would probably be interesting and informative. It would have been drastically different if I never knew the whole story. I don't know this much about any of the other members here. I don't know who is married, who is divorced, who is gay, who did time in prison, who lost a kid to drugs. None of those things are my business. The whole issue of "coming out" happened and it did not help anyone here have a better experience on the site.

426HemiChick

18 Sep 25

It's late, I'm tired and need a few winks. Been up all day and most of the evening.

You got yourself a deal; no more bashing on either side.

I am currently writing my life's story. A lady friend is compiling all the stories I write and will edit and publish them when it is finished.

Here's a Snippet:

Been all over the world, lived in Japan, Singapore, Kuala Lumpur, Mexico and many US States, visited Ireland, Portugal, Spain and England. Spent 2.5 years at sea while in the Navy. Got out of the Navy and was hired as a contract Engineer for the Navy. Spent four more years at sea living and working aboard my first ship. Needless to say the remuneration was much better than when I was in the Navy.

I enjoyed my time in the Navy and working for them as a civilian Engineer. Made lifelong friends. The ship was like a small city with numerous neighborhoods. There were dining areas, movie theaters and lounges.

The Navy policy was No Alcohol aboard ship. The reality was the ship was awash in booze. I usually went to sea with 30 gases of beer. Had a supply of 190 proof pure grain alcohol in 5 gallon cans, compliments of the Navy Supply System. It was for emergencies such as "we ran out of beer" before the end of the cruise.

We spent 28 days at sea and seven in port. A fair amt of time was spent restocking our booze supply. That usually took a couple days.

So what were we doing at sea? At that time our project and what we were doing was TOP SECRET. Our project was a Black Project that no one knew about outside of us. Eventually, the secrecy ended and the Gov let the world know what we were doing.

Our mission was to map the bottom of the oceans for the FBM Submarine fleet so they could know exactly where they were without having to come to the surface during their 2 month cruises. The maps we created are still Top Secret and few folks outside the Navy Submarine Fleet have access to them. There has been one exception to that rule. Cmdr Robert Ballard was loaned a small set to find the Sunken Titanic. That sunken ship was right where we mapped it during one of our cruises. Kind of proud of the work we all did. It has kept the world from having a Nuclear War. We have the Best Military in the World and thanks to that Military I have had a very good life all these year since and believe me this isn't all. Lots of stories to come.

Take care and God Bless You and All on this Site.

Chris
Veteran - US Navy  Ex-Smoker (05 Mar 69) 56 years, heading for 100, 44 to go. Still lots to learn, lots to make up for. Weren't no angel. Fugitive from Southlake TX's Kangaroo Court

Kern Dog

An episode of RoadKill today was the one where they convert the blue 69 Impala to fuel injection.
They mentioned a fuel hose by Earls that is resistant to ethanol degradation. It might be a smart move to change all the segments of fuel hose in all the cars here with this stuff.

John_Kunkel

Quote from: Karen Dog on September 17, 2025, 03:13:06 PMWas there any reference to any political party?

Reference to "sexually confused" isn't political? It's one of the mantras of your party and you repeat it so often.

QuoteYou idiots follow me around, quoting me and criticizing what you don't agree with

There's that ego AGAIN. Get this through your head, the only thing that's FOLLOWING YOU AROUND is your shadow and a distinct odor...the odor of bullsh!t.

QuoteWhy has this site faded so much while FBBO has increased it's membership? I know that Chargers are not the cheapest cars to buy and restore but if FBBO is doing so well, why is this site dying?
Maybe it is because over there, when members actually contribute, their critics are not allowed to run amok.

And how many times have you been disciplined on that forum for exactly what you're doing here? Lost count?

Quote'm not pretty, wish I were,

None the less, you recently bragged about your "movie star good looks"...a direct quote from you. (That ego again)

QuoteI'm going to let sleeping dogs lie. I will try to make NO more comments about this issue unless I feel forced to do so.

We'll see, I snipped a copy of that line for future use.

Pardon me but my karma just ran over your dogma.

cdr

Quote from: Kern Dog on September 18, 2025, 11:05:51 PMAn episode of RoadKill today was the one where they convert the blue 69 Impala to fuel injection.
They mentioned a fuel hose by Earls that is resistant to ethanol degradation. It might be a smart move to change all the segments of fuel hose in all the cars here with this stuff.
It is a Barrier fuel hose, & ALL should put it on these old cars, MANY old cars are catching on fire because of having the old NONE barrier rubber fuel lines.
LINK TO MY STORY http://www.onallcylinders.com/2015/11/16/ride-shares-charlie-keel-battles-cancer-ms-to-build-brilliant-1968-dodge-charger/  
                                                                                           
68 Charger 512 cid,9.7to1,Hilborn EFI,Home ported 440 source heads,small hyd roller cam,COLD A/C ,,a518 trans,Dana 60 ,4.10 gear,10.93 et,4100lbs on street tires full exhaust daily driver
Charger55 by Charlie Keel, on Flickr

426HemiChick

Hi John, Kern, and Everyone Else,          19 Sep 25

Kern and I have decided to stop the personal Slings and Arrows and called a truce. I think this will be beneficial for the site and everyone on it.

Kern has many good ideas and they should be a positive addition to the dialog on this site. I know I got off to a bad start on this site several years ago. That was my fault and I apologize for it.

The best I can do at this juncture is to let bygones be bygones. I promise to keep my acid tongue in check now and into the future.

So I think Kern and I have buried the hatchet and will leave it that way.

My apologies to anyone I have offended. Unfortunately, I can't go back and undo what "I shouldn't have done did !!!"

Chris
Veteran - US Navy  Ex-Smoker (05 Mar 69) 56 years, heading for 100, 44 to go. Still lots to learn, lots to make up for. Weren't no angel. Fugitive from Southlake TX's Kangaroo Court

Kern Dog

Thank you. I admit that I took matters too far. I really should live by what I claim to think..."Live and let live", I am sorry for being so driven to make my point.
Kunkel used to be a great wealth of knowledge that helped a lot of people. It would be better if he remembered that.
I am not one to hold grudges (In general) so if no rude comments are made to me from now on, I'd be willing to play nice.

426HemiChick

19 Sep 25

I remember reading about Charlie Keel and his Great Charger and his health issues. I am hoping he is still with us and doing well.

God Bless Charlie

Chris
Veteran - US Navy  Ex-Smoker (05 Mar 69) 56 years, heading for 100, 44 to go. Still lots to learn, lots to make up for. Weren't no angel. Fugitive from Southlake TX's Kangaroo Court

Kern Dog

I don't know the last name but there is a member here with a black 68 Charger, his screen name is CDR and his name is Charlie.
A short time back he bought some high end Challenger that is black with black stripes.
These new Challengers are great cars too.

cdr

Quote from: Kern Dog on September 19, 2025, 07:40:13 PMI don't know the last name but there is a member here with a black 68 Charger, his screen name is CDR and his name is Charlie.
A short time back he bought some high end Challenger that is black with black stripes.
These new Challengers are great cars too.
Thats me, Charlie Keel
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LINK TO MY STORY http://www.onallcylinders.com/2015/11/16/ride-shares-charlie-keel-battles-cancer-ms-to-build-brilliant-1968-dodge-charger/  
                                                                                           
68 Charger 512 cid,9.7to1,Hilborn EFI,Home ported 440 source heads,small hyd roller cam,COLD A/C ,,a518 trans,Dana 60 ,4.10 gear,10.93 et,4100lbs on street tires full exhaust daily driver
Charger55 by Charlie Keel, on Flickr

Kern Dog

Charlie is also one of the first people I heard of that put an overdrive 518 behind a big block in a Charger.
This was before anyone was offering a bolt in kit. Silver Sport Overdrives has a 4 speed auto overdrive based on a GM 700R4 or actually a 4L60E. It probably isn't as durable as a Mopar Transmission though.

426HemiChick

Quote from: cdr on September 19, 2025, 08:00:13 PM
Quote from: Kern Dog on September 19, 2025, 07:40:13 PMI don't know the last name but there is a member here with a black 68 Charger, his screen name is CDR and his name is Charlie.
A short time back he bought some high end Challenger that is black with black stripes.
These new Challengers are great cars too.
Thats me, Charlie Keel
428611481_7255048721220441_3334432316311069281_n.jpg

Hi Charlie,      19 Sep 25

Thank the Good Lord you are here. I remember reading your posts and wishing I could do all you had done.

Your Challenger in the photo is one Bad Ass Machine !!!

God Bless Sir,

Chris
Veteran - US Navy  Ex-Smoker (05 Mar 69) 56 years, heading for 100, 44 to go. Still lots to learn, lots to make up for. Weren't no angel. Fugitive from Southlake TX's Kangaroo Court

Kern Dog

I do like seeing the black cars with matte black stripes.
Yeah, this has nothing to do with B5 Blues original topic but how can you deny showing appreciation for what is cool?
Look at the rear wheel wells. It looks like he rolled the lips. Compare that to my wife's 2015 R/T:

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Maybe I'm seeing it wrong but it does seem like his rear wheel opening lip edge sticks out more.

John_Kunkel

Quote from: Karen Dog on September 19, 2025, 06:02:57 PMKunkel used to be a great wealth of knowledge that helped a lot of people. It would be better if he remembered that.
I am not one to hold grudges (In general) so if no rude comments are made to me from now on, I'd be willing to play nice.


Still playing the victim i.e. it's all my fault for pointing out when you "go too far" by your own admission.

Nuff said.
Pardon me but my karma just ran over your dogma.

b5blue

Anything except stay on the topic over and over? wa wa wa....

cdr

Quote from: Kern Dog on September 19, 2025, 11:31:10 PMI do like seeing the black cars with matte black stripes.
Yeah, this has nothing to do with B5 Blues original topic but how can you deny showing appreciation for what is cool?
Look at the rear wheel wells. It looks like he rolled the lips. Compare that to my wife's 2015 R/T:

T 3.JPG

Maybe I'm seeing it wrong but it does seem like his rear wheel opening lip edge sticks out more.
Lil Devil flares :)
LINK TO MY STORY http://www.onallcylinders.com/2015/11/16/ride-shares-charlie-keel-battles-cancer-ms-to-build-brilliant-1968-dodge-charger/  
                                                                                           
68 Charger 512 cid,9.7to1,Hilborn EFI,Home ported 440 source heads,small hyd roller cam,COLD A/C ,,a518 trans,Dana 60 ,4.10 gear,10.93 et,4100lbs on street tires full exhaust daily driver
Charger55 by Charlie Keel, on Flickr