505 Stroker swap

[496polara]

It may be an unpopular opinion and likely not worth the extra $$$ unless you sold your 2" headers but I believe the 1 7/8 tubes with that cam size and the 4 speed would help with low speed/part throttle torque and drivability.
I realize a 505 will have torque to spare so maybe a moot point. Just a suggestion from my feeble mind.

[timmycharger]

It may be an unpopular opinion and likely not worth the extra $$$ unless you sold your 2" headers but I believe the 1 7/8 tubes with that cam size and the 4 speed would help with low speed/part throttle torque and drivability.
I realize a 505 will have torque to spare so maybe a moot point. Just a suggestion from my feeble mind.

I have been going back and forth about re using the 2 inch headers vs getting new ones. I will need to spend money in having them sand blasted and re coated which may be half the price of getting new ones. If I do need to get new ones, I was leaning on getting 1 and 7/8 ones as I feel the same about the low end torque.

The guy who helped me choose my cam didn't say anything about the headers.

[Kern Dog]

I am not surprised that Dwayne remembered me. He was really helpful to me over the years. I have a few topics going at the FBBO site and he chimed in there several times.
The cam you are using will probably not be much different from mine, though you're at 505 versus my 495 cubes. Idle is great, power is right where you need it. Idle vacuum is strong enough for power brakes and you'll find that it pulls clean right from idle. If you've ever had a setup that snorts, hesitates or is sluggish from idle and requires rpm to feel comfortable, you'll know how much better it is to be able to leave from a low rpm and just accelerate like you would in a newer car.
Good luck, man!

[timmycharger]

Spent alot of time cleaning up parts that I will be re using like the water pump housing, oil pan and the heads. The heads will be going to Dwayne Porter most likely for a valve job and installation of the new springs to match my new cam. 

Speaking of the cam, it has arrived along with the roller lifters, cam button and timing chain.  Got my 1990's era Hughes engines 1.6 roller rockers out of storage, they still look brand new since they have very low miles on them.

[timmycharger]

I spent some time this past weekend installing and degreeing the cam. This actually took a lot of time because I wanted to be sure I got this process right.

My Cam has a center line of 108 which is the number I had to get to.

At first I was getting numbers all over the place, didn't matter if I had the crank sprocket set to zero (dot to dot), advanced 2 degrees or advanced 4 degrees.  Then after watching many videos, I realized my method of finding TDC was not ideal. I was using a dial gauge to find TDC but what happens is the dwell issue, where the piston sort of hits the top but the crank/rods still sort of move some resulting in inaccurate measurements.

I ended up making a piston stop and using the method of finding 2 points on the degree wheel and dividing by 2 which gave me TDC exactly.

Once I had that established, i first set the lower sprocket of the chain to zero and just lined up the dots. This resulted in me getting a centerline number of 111.5.  I checked it at .050, .080 and .100

I then installed the crank sprocket at the 2 degrees advanced slot and re did the TDC and this time I was at 109.5. Getting closer. 

Lastly, I installed th3 crank sprocket at the 4 degrees advanced slot, re did the TDC (2 more times to ensure accuracy) and ended up with exactly 108 most of the time, few times 108.5, others 107.5.

I used a dial gauge on the intake lifter, just on the edge of it so I didn't have to use a pushrod, I still was able to get all the travel from the lifter for max lift before testing it at .050 before/after.

I think I feel confident that I got this process correct, just seems wild to me that it was off so much from just lining up the dots.

[Kern Dog]

How is your progress, man?
Maybe you're still employed and busy during the week. Good luck and report back!

[timmycharger]

Yeah, I've got at least 4 more years before I can call it a career haha.. Yeah, managed to get some more time in last weekend but had to put everything on hold.

I tend to be a bit OCD about things sometimes and even though last week I degreed the cam and got to the 108 number several times, I went and did it again. I took all the tools out again and started from scratch. Good news is that I kept getting to the 108 number consistently so I am at peace with this process and can move on to the timing cover and cam button.

I saw several different ways to get to the 0.008 spec but for me, the easiest way is just to mock it all up with the gasket and use a piece of plastigauge to show me how close I am.

The process itself is pretty easy, the hardest part was getting the plastigauge to stay put on the button which just needed a bit of moisture on the button to make it stick. I then tightened down the top 4 bolts of the cover and measured the squish. I will grind down the back of the button and sleeve until I get the desired spec.

The problem right now is that I am using the wrong plastigauge. All I had was the red stuff that has the wrong range, I need the blue plastigauge which is .004 to .009. I bought it and will be finishing that up this weekend.

Plan is to button up the timing cover and oil pan this weekend. I picked up a Summit Racing branded SFI damper and will be installing that as well with the same homemade tool that you made for yours, pretty simple.

[timmycharger]

The plastigauge came in yesterday and I was eager to set the cam button to timing cover clearance. I used the correct range this time and after much trial and error, taking off the cover and carefully grinding the back of the button and sleeve until I had .008 as desired.

I mocked up the cover with the damper and was happy to see that at TDC, everything is lining up to the zero mark on the cover. With moving the crank key to the A4 slot, I was thinking it would be off for some reason?

Slow progress but going in the right direction.

[Kern Dog]

Your balancer installer looks like one that I built. I didn't see the need to buy one that I could build for a lot less.

[timmycharger]

Your balancer installer looks like one that I built. I didn't see the need to buy one that I could build for a lot less.

Yep, copied yours from your thread, no way was I paying for something so simple. I think I am into it for about 10 bucks for the rod and nut. Made mine a bit longer in case I can use it for something else in the future, I dont know.

[timmycharger]

Some updates since the site was down. With help from my son, we installed the pickup and oil pan. I had to modify the stroker windage tray from 440 source as it was too tall, I cut it down the side and re welded it so it is just above the rod bolts, clears everything now with the hemi pan.

I initially bought the Summit brand damper but didnt like how far it stuck out so I ended up with a 440 source piece that fits much better.

Installed the HV oil pump and buttoned up the bottom end and flipped the motor over on the stand. Next are the heads which will be sent for porting and a valve job.

On track to have this running again in the Spring.

[Kern Dog]

"Running by Spring"





I know that it gets cold over there but come on, man!

[timmycharger]

"Running by Spring"

I know that it gets cold over there but come on, man!

Ha no, I don't think you do know how cold it gets here, nor know about the corrosive salt that is used on the roads in the Northeast. When was the las time you drove in zero degree/single digit weather and over a foot of snow?  You wouldn't last a week here.


Regardless, I drive my Charger up until the salt trucks are out and then not until the street sweepers clean the salt off the road in the Spring. This time around, its in pieces and I am definitely not going to rush to slap it together just so I can drive it a few weeks, that is dumb.

Also, some of us are not flush with cash so I am selling off my parts stash to fund this stroker project, I am right on schedule with time and money.

I have heat in my garage and look forward to taking my time making sure all is right.

[Kern Dog]

"Running by Spring"

I know that it gets cold over there but come on, man!

Ha no, I don't think you do know how cold it gets here, nor know about the corrosive salt that is used on the roads in the Northeast. When was the las time you drove in zero degree/single digit weather and over a foot of snow?  You wouldn't last a week here.

Seems pretty rude of you to write that, man. I've been friendly to you in every comment that you've made.

[timmycharger]

"Running by Spring"

I know that it gets cold over there but come on, man!

Ha no, I don't think you do know how cold it gets here, nor know about the corrosive salt that is used on the roads in the Northeast. When was the las time you drove in zero degree/single digit weather and over a foot of snow?  You wouldn't last a week here.

Seems pretty rude of you to write that, man. I've been friendly to you in every comment that you've made.

Yup, sure was, as was your comment. You try and bust my balls, Ill be busting them right back. Also, why does it matter to you if I don't drive it again until Spring? I thought you encouraged people who work on their own stuff? not anymore? 

Not a good look by the way. This site has been up only a week and you are already starting shit with several members. Why is that? 


   

[Kern Dog]

Whoa. You are going way overboard, man. I welcomed you at the FBBO forum as I have done here. There has never been any ill will coming from me toward you. EVERY post that I have made toward you has been friendly.
If you misinterpreted anything, that is your issue to deal with.
How could you get it so wrong?

[Kern Dog]

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 This site has been up only a week and you are already starting shit with several members. Why is that? 
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"Several members".
Name them.
I did not intentionally start anything with you and I certainly did not "start anything" with Kunkel. The guy's only purpose in life seems to be chasing after me and shitting on what I write. If you doubt me look at his post history here.
Read the comments I made to you again. There is no "starting shit".

[timmycharger]

nope, not at all. I reacted appropriately to your nonsense with some of my own. 

Thank GOD you welcomed me over at FBBO, I was really having a hard time, I almost deleted my account when I didn't get a reply right away 

Get over yourself man, you are not the ambassador of the car forums. 

[timmycharger]

 This site has been up only a week and you are already starting shit with several members. Why is that? 
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"Several members".
Name them.
I did not intentionally start anything with you and I certainly did not "start anything" with Kunkel. The guy's only purpose in life seems to be chasing after me and shitting on what I write. If you doubt me look at his post history here.
Read the comments I made to you again. There is no "starting shit".
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I dont know, man, seems every time there is an argument here, you are involved.  Below is just from the other day?

It would be nice if the guy would post up an answer to the question asked in the title of this topic....

He did, you just weren't paying attention.

This is the second time that I am asking but I suspect that you won't answer because the man did not address the most recent disruption.

[Kern Dog]

Old Mopars posted on Moparts that he emailed troy weeks ago and didn't get a response.
He gets on here and tells me that I didn't pay attention. To what? The site owner hasn't posted anything. There was nothing from Troy on the "why" of it all.
If you think that you have the right to respond to what "seems" like rude behavior, take a fucking look at what those two did. I did not start anything, I responded to them when they were rude to me.
I was not wrong. If you think that I was, feel free to express how YOU would have handled either of those guys in a different manner.
I have no pattern of being rude to you. If you thought post #36 was rude, maybe you haven't played team sports or worked any blue collar jobs to understand how guys often interact. I was teasing, not insulting.
You're right about not lasting a week. I hate the cold. I'd never live anywhere that it snows. To me, that and 120 degree heat are nature's way of saying GTFO.
Cheers

[timmycharger]

Nah, I'd rather not argue,  I would rather just focus on moving on and finishing this motor swap! May be a while until the next update, after the heads are done. I will then be measuring for new push rods, installing the intake and then getting everything back on the K frame.