I OBTAINED NEW FRONT WHEELWELL TRIM FOR DAYTONA ?

[daytonalo]

Is any one reproducing front wheelwell trim ?

[daytonalo]

what do you think ? I modified a new reproduction standard set . Basically stretched it out , 3 hours on each one , including buffing .on the right is the new  stock right front and on the left is my modified  new left front
                                                                                                                       Larry

[daytonalo]

more pix

[daytonalo]

The way I approached this project was , its not rocket science, if they did it back in 69 it shouldn't be rocket science in 06

[nascarxx29]

The daytonas ones are always in high demand.Might be a market for yours .As the daytonas lower valance extension requires a longer modified 70 charger one



Heres is my old 70 daytona clone from the 80-s.Ted did the front mouldings on it .Not sure what method he applied to them

[daytonalo]

Dave I know you mean well , What the hell are you talking about ! I have a 69 valance and straightened out a new 69 trim and it fits perfect ! Stick to production numbers  , leave the actual  work to others . Did you look at the pix ? what is your point . It took my 3 hours to re-shape it !!!!!!!!!!!!!! One more thing , my moulding was new for a 69 , don't know or care if it is the same for a 70 , the 69 fits perfect . What do you think they are worth ?

[nascarxx29]

I mean as the 1969 daytona used 70 charger hood and fenders .The lower extension valance used was designed.For use with the 70 charger parts .A 69 charger valance would be consitant with the 69 fenders that are notched for the bumper.And not useable for the 1969 daytona front end

[daytonalo]

Im confused , what does this have to do with the valence ?

[nascarxx29]

The valance the part that houses the side marker light that you use IS NOT A 1969 PART.That goes under the edges of the 1970 charger fenders. wheel trim contour and length should differ as to that.I wasnt aware that you have owned so many wingcars and been in the wingcar clubs over 30 years to be this boards resident expert. And restored and sold parts to many board members .And worked on many original wingcars

[daytonalo]

We all know why  a 69 vs 70valance  is different . Why are you making life difficult ! the wheelwell trim is the same for 68-70 end of story !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Again I don't ever recall you restoring a single car , just storing unrestored cars . Your great at non physical tasks !!!!!!!!!!! stick to production numbers !!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[nascarxx29]

I dont dispute 68-70 CHARGER mouldings are alike .But the 1969 daytonas are different.Due to 1970 charger front sheet metal parts.I didnt use a 1969 VALANCE .Thats what you said  {QUOTE}1969 valance

Dave I know you mean well , What the hell are you talking about ! {{{{{{I have a 69 valance and}}}}

Dave I know you mean well , What the hell are you talking about ! I have a 69 valance and

Dave I know you mean well , What the hell are you talking about ! I have a 69 valance and


So your saying I didnt undertake a remake over nose on MD based 1969 daytona the only one you ever had the chance to sit or ever ride in one by my hand to date .Or help out to put together supply parts and named in various articles for a customer a pink superbird convertible that was in MCG magazine in the 90-s..Seems daytonalo has a memory lapse doesnt seems to recall.To who he reached out to for parts and car to research .And who survivor daytona it was continuslly revisited for numerous 1969 daytona details.To later build a 70 daytona clone.And recommended this website

[Just 6T9 CHGR]

Sheesh

[nh_mopar_fan]

Cat Fight!

[nascarxx29]

No problem on my end I appreciate all shared info on this board.And reading daytonlos comments such as these

In the shit hole I call home [NEW JERSEY} if the vehicle is 25 years and older you can reg it as an antique and you pay a one time reg fee and there is no emission testing . Now that I think about , every other thing is fucked up about this state but that . One of the biggest embarrassment was when our governor was taking in the ass , what a disgrace !!!!!!!!!!!!

Again for 895k my point was that is as-same the small details are incorrect , thats all that I'm saying . One more thing for 895 k the seller better include me banging his wife as part of the deal !!!!!!!!!!!!!


I can recall getting a temporary ban from TROY for arguing with another board member without making repeated vulgar statements

[BigBlockSam]

yea Dave, say it loud. I LIVE IN NJ AND I'M MAD AS HELL! AND I'M NOT GONNA TAKE IT ANYMORE!

[daytonalo]

Dave has come a very long way . Considering he just learned to walk upright 2 years ago !!!!!!!!!!!!!! Dave your a walking text book on daytonas . I don't see any pic of any work you have done , you know why ? because about all you can do is  install a rivet and you f---ing know it !!!!!!!!!!!! If you had the slightest clue on car restoration your car would have not have sat in the garage since 87  . Thats my point , you couldn't even disassemble a complete car and reassemble , never mind build a replica !!!!!!!!!!!!!!! I post pic on this site for the sharing of , and helping others to build a nice recreation .Again the only thing your good for is tracing a f----ing VIN# cut me a ---- ing break You have about pushed me to the limit . P.s Carl says WHERES THE MONEY?
Oh one more thing , on the MD nose , the one you used a screen door bracket for the headlight door ? And the nose was hanging off to on side 1/2 inch , oh yea nice work ,  when I asked you whats up with that , your response was DA I DON'T KNOW ! your a butcher , always have been !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[Mean 318]

 :oWOW

[dads_69]

I'm interested in wheel well trim myself for my clone, but how in the world did this topic get turned over to a pissing match? If you have any front wheel well trim for sale Larry, I'd be interested in a pair for the front of my clone. Good work by the way as always. Keep it up!
Mark

[daytonalo]

What I did was buy a new reproduction charger set , worked out the forward bent section . It spent three hours on it including sanding and polishing it . if you send me a new reproduction set I might consider it , although I will have to charge you .

[nascarxx29]

Atleast I dont pass off lemans convertible in the area off as GTO's.I guess you will also be the authority on building a hemi motor with 440 parts.As Scott K did long before you even had a hemi anything.I talked to Carl yesterday he has no problem.Seems I was driving at 14 building cars from rolling parts and basket cases long before you even had a license .

[daytonalo]

Get a f------ing life I spoke to Carl and he told me you should at least give him 10 ! I don't want to get in the middle , but he said  your scum for going behind his back and buying the daytona !!!!!!!! Again stick to the Vin # s , your great at that , big f----ing deal . i heard you sold the daytona for 125 k , ? Was the buyer aware that the car  was in a flood Your a horses ass , you mean I cant install 440 heads on a hemi .

[daytonalo]

Thanks for hi-jacking my thread !!!!!!!!!!!!

[nascarxx29]

How do you buy a car behind someones back who went with you.Hey thats ok Im printing all these out for carl to see anyway

[daytonalo]

thats funny He told me last week that you said whenever you sold the daytona you will give him 10 grand , thats what he said !!!!!!!!!!! I  will settle thisonce and for all tomorrow , I will call him . cut the bullshit , this thread is to show  and help people build a clone . you will have to settle for a ertl model now that you sold your car that in 20 years never restored it . I will be in merchantville on Thur , see ya !!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[nascarxx29]

Im not sure why this particular car.That used 70 charger fenders and typical daytona nose.had to splice the front wheel mouldings.Might be a isolated incidence on a 1 of 1 car



Upon close inspection, you can see the lower front fender valance panels appear to be a completely custom-made piece for this conversion, not like a 1969 Daytona's valances. The {front wheel well moulding appears to have been made from two pieces of trim, split down near the valance panel seam}. Looking under the hood at the latch tray and nosecone attachment, everything looks normal.

[dads_69]

What I did was buy a new reproduction charger set , worked out the forward bent section . It spent three hours on it including sanding and polishing it . if you send me a new reproduction set I might consider it , although I will have to charge you .

Thanks Larry. When I get all my Daytona clone parts mocked up. I'll make my wheel well chrome trim fit. I just want to thank you for your input here. Damn, I hope this thread doesn't get locked.
Mark

[daytonalo]

are you talking about my car ? why is this like beating a dead horse , I got the idea from from mike g on the straightening out of a stock charger!!!! Do you honestly think that the factory retooled for a new front trim in the few months they had . My valance was splashed from and orig one , why does it look wrong ?

[daytonalo]

its not rocket science , on the plum car they just filled in the valance , I would take me about 20 min to fill it in . why are you trying to reinvent the wheel ?

[dads_69]

I see your point, the marker light is in its stock forum vs. being on the valance. Either way it looks fine to me. I think someone here has forgotten that you and I and a few other guys online here are building clones and not the real deal. I don't have half a million bucks to spend on a real Daytona, therefore I'm building a clone and I'll be damn happy when its done as well as you will be with yours Larry. Hope that helps you out with this pissing match.
Mark

[daytonalo]

That plum car is a not real , it was and is a 70 , a 69 daytona has the side marker in the valance as does mine!  I don't know why Dave posted a 70 marker light , I welded over the hole on my 70 fender , END OF STORY !!!!!!!!!!!!

[THE CHARGER PUNK]

this post is confusing is all hell i cant even understand whats going on

[hemigeno]

I've done some research on this topic before, as my Daytona is missing its original wheel lip mouldings.  I was able to take a look at several original mouldings, and examined them along with a good metal-working guy.  We both agreed at the time that the Daytona mouldings are mostly just a slightly modified '68-70 piece, although there are unique differences on the Daytona version.

As Larry has pointed out, you have to straighten the bend at the lower front corner of the wheel lip moulding to fit the contour of the Daytona fender when the valance is installed.  If you look at original Daytona mouldings, there are witness marks where it appears that the moulding was created with the bend, and then straightened using a stretching tool I have seen in sheet metal shops.  That tool leaves a series of lines on the metal that are perpendicular to the direction that the metal is being stretched.

We put a mic tool on a regular Charger moulding and a Daytona moulding in the area of the bend in question, and there is a marked difference in the thickness of the metal between the two styles.  To us, that confirmed our conclusion about the process they went through - especially with the tooling marks that are left at that point on the originals.

One point that will distinguish most original mouldings from modified mouldings is the fact that on the original mouldings, the lowest screw hole on the front leg (the same part of the moulding that was straightened) was not punched as are the remainder of the holes.  That screw was installed by Creative Industries by running a sheet metal screw through the moulding into the lower valance at a fairly random location (meaning they didn't use a template and the hole location will vary from car to car).

The conclusions that we came to are that:
>>  The original mouldings were probably initially fabbed with a bent leg that was later straightened
>>  The original mouldings were still unique though, since the hole on the lower front corner was not punched through

It would also be possible for someone to take a shortcut method and just use a pair of snips to cut the attachment leg of the moulding in the center of that bend, allowing the leg to be straightened.  Once the bend was straightened, that would leave a highly visible "V" in the moulding which IMHO wouldn't look so hot.  I have heard of people doing this method and then cutting a piece of stainless to fill in this notch.  Once the finished piece is polished up, I was told that it looks pretty good. 

Dickie Wolff has done two Daytonas where they just took regular mouldings and put the attachment leg on an english wheel at the bend to flatten out (and therefore stretch) the metal to eliminate the bend. 

There are several methods to accomplish what Larry has done.  It shouldn't be too much trouble to make a very nice moulding that would pass as an original for all but the most knowledgeable of people.

[hemigeno]

This is what I'm going to use on my car:

[daytonalo]

Thank you gene for bringing some sanity to this thread ! I have been involved with restoring cars and building boats for over 25 years and with that said I said to myself there was no way that they retooled for this front trim NO WAY !!!!!!!! I will never claim to know it all , but I do have common sense !!!!

[nascarxx29]

Thats typical to the way chrysler improvised on what they had.They didnt tool up and make unique fenders .For limited amounts of hemi cars.They just reworked the radius.And wingcars seems to use or modify something they already had.Example daytona 69 valiant parking lights.And Im certain they had a jig or template to to create the different wheel opening mouldings .As the daytonas ones were different.I dont regret my car languished in my mothers garage.I didnt have the luxury of having a home based resto shop space and or the time.My moms health and her household was 1 first priority.Now my girlfriend and our new home were working on is my main focus.I might miss the car .But I dont regret it and Im still in my prefered hobby.I know were I can pick up a 69 charger RT just sitting in a garage for many years.And got other small projects.In the works .I have a plaster statue of Joe higgins the safety sheriff.That I might see if we can get a mold of .And supply him with the paints and picture.See if that item of mopar memorabilia is in any demand.I still have other documents as I supplied the wingcar community in the past.Like some of these.I have enjoyed in the years and been privledged to have worked on notable magazine winged cars Paul Kaufmanns & John Antonellis to name a few.And that I have a customers and longtime friends daytona to bring home to service at my disposal .And that my aquired NOS parts have ended up on one of Steve J RTS prototype car.And other well known wingcars.And the only 70 FM 3 satelitte to superbird conv.That had all real parts and detail .That I was on the ground floor from from finding installing in the proper location the parts to the details of its construction   

http://wwnboa.org/factorydocs.htm

[69_500]

Well this topic took a whole 360 didn't it.

First of all Daytonalo the trim pieces you made up look good.

Gene, how long did you search for those NOS pieces? I don't recall seeing those when were there at your shop. Then again I didn't get that many pics of your Daytona either. I'll swing over some other time and do some more investigating.

[nascarxx29]

My 69 parts book shows for both wheel opening mouldings #3412646 for the right side And #3412647 for the left side.I have seen trim on some cars that had been v notched.Havent noticed tooling or stretching marks .But chrysler is known for there inconsistancy.I have seen original cars where the wing center .Had strong and weak casting lines .And the uprights had small pot holes.And different contours at the base where it meets the gasket.But the parts were done by outside vendors.Like Hackett brass foundry did wings outside on the sidewalk

http://wwnboa.com/motw.htm.

[Brock Samson]

you guys are all HACKS!
HACKS! HACKS! HACKS! HACKS !!!!!!

     

[nh_mopar_fan]

this post is confusing is all hell i cant even understand whats going on

That's because some of these posts aren't even in English.

[Brock Samson]

"As a writer for hire, a hack writer is usually remunerated by the number of words: so the implication of hack writing is usually that quantity takes precedence over quality."

how much is Troy paying you?.

[nh_mopar_fan]

"As a writer for hire, a hack writer is usually remunerated by the number of words: so the implication of hack writing is usually that quantity takes precedence over quality."

how much is Troy paying you?.

I wonder if there's a bonus for the extra exclamation points.

[Brock Samson]

i don't think so,.  but, a space between your sentence and the following punctuation lands you the valuable spell check bonus points !!!!!!   


  You guys were through with this thread right?..

[hemigeno]

how much is Troy paying you?.

Strat,
Several of us would like to know what Troy's payout on the first one to 5k posts is...     

[Brock Samson]

i'll let ya' know.. 

[Just 6T9 CHGR]

69.242.44.136

[69_500]

Don't look now but Ghoste is already over 5,000 post.


So you should ask him what his pay out was.

Heck I can't believe that I'm already over 2,000. Thats insane. I don't think I had even 1,500 on the old site. Then again there wasn't an aero section over there.

[nascarxx29]

I noticed the 440 black daytona front wheel opening moulding is modified.Where the pictures were taken by TROY


http://www.dodgecharger.com/forum/index.php/topic,15942.0.html