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« on: October 23, 2007, 05:29:25 PM »

Had this saved on my computer when it was sent to me.And at Million 500 hundred thousand probably most exspensive daytona .It was Dave J and Bill J old car.Wonder if it ever sold?

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« Reply #1 on: October 23, 2007, 06:50:33 PM »

it looked like a really cool car.  here are a couple pics from mopar nats '04:




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« Reply #2 on: October 23, 2007, 07:29:14 PM »

Thats the one of 2 hemi daytonas Dave J had .Long before that it was J Soneffs.And that car came from the same AZ dealership as the old Don Hicks black hemi 4 speed daytona
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« Reply #3 on: October 24, 2007, 10:48:09 AM »

Oh its green!  I'm afraid thats a deal breaker, and I was just getting ready to reach for my check book smilielol
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« Reply #4 on: October 24, 2007, 10:58:01 AM »

 that add was like 2 years ago  now it's worth  3 million according to the add  and yes it the most popular color dark green 
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« Reply #5 on: October 24, 2007, 11:21:54 AM »

yes it the most popular color dark green 

Then, or now??   Tongue
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« Reply #6 on: October 24, 2007, 12:11:57 PM »

neither was being sarcastic    sorry

 
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« Reply #7 on: October 24, 2007, 01:09:46 PM »

neither was being sarcastic    sorry

 

No worries, I only said something because my R/T is "supposed" to be F8 Green.  As you can see, it is anything but that color at the moment.  I keep telling my wife that F8 was considered a very stylish color back in 1969, and she points to the calendar as if to say "It ain't 1969."



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« Reply #8 on: October 24, 2007, 01:16:28 PM »

  i like the color of yours now      green was popular back then and a heck of alot of them where green
      and i know your a numbers guy     but I like it now and it will loook better next to the daytona  ha ha ha

 
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« Reply #9 on: October 24, 2007, 03:18:40 PM »

Gene, your still trying to make it sound like you really want to paint your car F8 green. Come on you can be honest with us here, you want to leave it V2 right?  nana
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« Reply #10 on: October 24, 2007, 03:30:15 PM »

You're right, I would prefer V2 even with the obvious "Yee Haw" connection.  However, at least right now I can blame a previoius owner for the color change.  That keeps the rabid numbers guys (lots of whom are way more dogmatic about things than I am) at bay.

There's something else to consider here though -- my wife hates F8 Green.  So, if I paint the car back F8, she'll be more likely to approve swapping out this one for a different car.  There is a guy from Canada that has an awesome R4 4-speed '69 HemiCharger which would look even better than my current R/T when parked next to the Daytona.  Been trying to talk him into selling that car to me for a couple of years now.  If that falls through, she might even go for upgrading to a second Daytona.  Guess I can't play the color card and then go after this F8 HemiDaytona then, eh?


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« Reply #11 on: October 24, 2007, 03:42:37 PM »

  gene's pulling a troy and trying to trade up
     wings are so addictive

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« Reply #12 on: October 24, 2007, 04:28:18 PM »

You're right, I would prefer V2 even with the obvious "Yee Haw" connection.  However, at least right now I can blame a previoius owner for the color change.  That keeps the rabid numbers guys (lots of whom are way more dogmatic about things than I am) at bay.

There's something else to consider here though -- my wife hates F8 Green.  So, if I paint the car back F8, she'll be more likely to approve swapping out this one for a different car.  There is a guy from Canada that has an awesome R4 4-speed '69 HemiCharger which would look even better than my current R/T when parked next to the Daytona.  Been trying to talk him into selling that car to me for a couple of years now.  If that falls through, she might even go for upgrading to a second Daytona.  Guess I can't play the color card and then go after this F8 HemiDaytona then, eh?




Is the Canadian car you are talking about stripe delete and in Ontario Gene?

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« Reply #13 on: October 25, 2007, 08:44:15 AM »

  gene's pulling a troy and trying to trade up
     wings are so addictive



Thanks no lie......  Especially when my last name is Hawkes.... get it? Wings = Hawkes..  Sorry, couldn't resist.......
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« Reply #14 on: October 25, 2007, 10:56:55 AM »

Is the Canadian car you are talking about stripe delete and in Ontario Gene?

It's not the same car -- maybe I should be asking you where the one in Ontario is...   icon_smile_big

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« Reply #15 on: October 25, 2007, 12:48:47 PM »

Here's more obscure history that no one cares about.  The green Hemi Daytona was originally owned by an English teacher at my old high school in Scottsdale Az.  At the time the car had a 70 charger front end on it and a dealer installed white top.  Since there was no air and its REALLY HOT here, the white top was probably installed to help the interior stay a little cooler.  She sold the car the year before I started high school ('77)  to a local politician.  He died unexpectedly in his early 40's from a heart attack.  The car then went to Jay S. up in Denver.
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« Reply #16 on: October 25, 2007, 01:47:09 PM »

Here's more obscure history that no one cares about.  The green Hemi Daytona was originally owned by an English teacher at my old high school in Scottsdale Az.  At the time the car had a 70 charger front end on it and a dealer installed white top.  Since there was no air and its REALLY HOT here, the white top was probably installed to help the interior stay a little cooler.  She sold the car the year before I started high school ('77)  to a local politician.  He died unexpectedly in his early 40's from a heart attack.  The car then went to Jay S. up in Denver.

Gotta be this car then:



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« Reply #17 on: October 25, 2007, 02:06:03 PM »

Geno you know what else the V2 goes with?                                                                           





The truck lol  yesnod nana
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« Reply #18 on: October 25, 2007, 02:33:22 PM »

Id love to own that Daytona drool5
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« Reply #19 on: October 25, 2007, 03:17:25 PM »

 race the truck geno  race the truck

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« Reply #20 on: October 25, 2007, 03:29:06 PM »

If your refering to Gene's truck then V2 doesn't go with it. As the truck is painted R4 red.

Hey now Gene you can't go talking all crazy like and saying you want 2 wing cars. Leave some out there for me and Troy.
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« Reply #21 on: October 25, 2007, 03:34:36 PM »

two's ok  but those horders with three and 4 that need to stop ha ha ha I know several

 
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« Reply #22 on: October 25, 2007, 03:43:41 PM »

I know its a different color but it still looks good on the truck yesnod  2thumbs I have seen the truck in person, but I have not seen the charger but he told me they were different colors at the time.
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« Reply #23 on: October 25, 2007, 03:46:53 PM »

I guess I shouldn't say much due to family ties. heck when I was 10 I thought everyone had a yard full of wing cars. If a person didn't have at least 4 we didn't go visit them.
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« Reply #24 on: October 25, 2007, 03:47:43 PM »

race the truck geno  race the truck

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I'll take on Dale Jarrett and the UPS truck anytime...   icon_smile_big

Hey now Gene you can't go talking all crazy like and saying you want 2 wing cars. Leave some out there for me and Troy.

Have no fear, that's not very likely to happen.  I'd have to:
1.  Get done with the Daytona restoration 
2.  Recover from that financial drain 
3.  Spend a commensurate amount on things that my wife & rest of the family have an interest in
4.  Actually start a restoration on the R/T
5.  Have the car in F8 trim around long enough that my wife would get tired of looking at it
6.  Lobby for the winged upgrade
7.  Find either an outright buyer for the R/T or someone who wanted to work out a partial trade for a 2nd Daytona

Not a very likely scenario, and the odds pale in comparison to those of Troy's or yours.  It never hurts to dream though, does it?


Geno you know what else the V2 goes with?

The truck lol yesnod nana

Lincoln, the two colors (R4 & V2) go together better than R6 and V2 would...  The truck's original color was much closer to R6 than R4 (it might have even been a little darker than R6), but I wanted the truck to match the Daytona.  If I'd have painted the truck V2, everyone would have assumed it was an old Highway Department truck!  Now that we have taken this thread WAY off course... 


A 4-speed HemiDaytona looks good in any color IMHO.
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« Reply #25 on: October 25, 2007, 03:55:53 PM »

Sorry my fault  brickwall .
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« Reply #26 on: October 25, 2007, 04:17:01 PM »

The green hemi daytona earliest owner was a Pat Harper
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« Reply #27 on: October 25, 2007, 05:29:54 PM »

The green hemi daytona earliest owner was a Pat Harper

Yes, that's Pat Harper's Daytona, and the pictures were taken in my driveway.  My next door neighbor was a Corvair fanatic, and if you look carefully in the background, you'll see several Corvairs.  (my brother actually bought a turbo corvair from the guy, but wound up selling it back.) hah  Pat was a photographer, and he did run for Congress on the Libertarian ticket.  Pat died of a brain aneurysm, not a heart attack.
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« Reply #28 on: October 25, 2007, 05:41:46 PM »

The same day those pictures were taken, we (Jim R, Joe M, Pat Harper, my brother, me and a couple other guys who drove over from California) drove around Phoenix to all the Aero Cars that us locals knew about.  One was a 500, brown with a vinyl roof, 440 auto and air.  This would have been 1975, maybe 1976. 
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« Reply #29 on: October 25, 2007, 07:22:21 PM »

two's ok  but those horders with three and 4 that need to stop ha ha ha I know several

 


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« Reply #30 on: October 26, 2007, 06:52:15 AM »

Is the Canadian car you are talking about stripe delete and in Ontario Gene?



It's not the same car -- maybe I should be asking you where the one in Ontario is...   icon_smile_big




Glad to hear it's not the same car.  LOL!!!!!!  I think you'd have to pry the keys to the car I'm talking about from the owner's cold dead hands.  It is a truely beautiful car.

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« Reply #31 on: October 26, 2007, 08:27:21 AM »

two's ok  but those horders with three and 4 that need to stop ha ha ha I know several

 


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« Reply #32 on: October 26, 2007, 11:21:06 AM »

Bruce,
Am I correct then that Pat purchased the car from the English teacher at my old high school?  My friends who graduated before I got there were adamant that that Daytona resided in the faculty parking lot in the early to mid 70's.
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« Reply #33 on: October 26, 2007, 01:11:53 PM »

Bruce,
Am I correct then that Pat purchased the car from the English teacher at my old high school?  My friends who graduated before I got there were adamant that that Daytona resided in the faculty parking lot in the early to mid 70's.

Unlikely.  When I first met Pat Harper, he owned the Daytona. That would have been 1975 or 1976.  I remember looking at the car before Pat bought it, some guy in his early '20's owned (and drag raced) it; this was before I bought my first SuperBird in 1974.  I didn't have the money to buy a nose, so I passed on it.   brickwall




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« Reply #34 on: October 26, 2007, 04:54:33 PM »

Even then it wasn't cheap to find a nose cone. I know my dad paid almost as much for a spare nose cone in 1982 as he did for an entired Daytona.
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« Reply #35 on: October 27, 2007, 06:30:23 AM »

Somewhere in the mid 80-s I found a NOS daytona nose cone $3000.00.  ;DHeres the number

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« Reply #36 on: October 27, 2007, 05:26:04 PM »

Bruce,
The history of this Daytona is starting to baffle me.  The guys that went to my school before me are car guys and at a later date owned (among other cars) a 71 Hemi cuda convertable.  They described this Daytona to a tee.  Dark green, white top, black wing as sitting in the faculty parking lot.  Obviously there were not two green hemi Daytona's with no nose running around the valley in the early-mid 70's.  Was Pat Harper married?  Perhaps his wife drove the car from time to time?
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« Reply #37 on: October 28, 2007, 09:45:18 AM »

Don't think he was married.  Girlfriend maybe? shruggy
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« Reply #38 on: October 28, 2007, 09:46:08 AM »

BTW, everybody, sorry about the hijack of the thread. Cry
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« Reply #39 on: October 28, 2007, 10:46:32 AM »

No problem whatsoever we  welcome collaberating facts on a car in subject
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« Reply #40 on: October 28, 2007, 12:34:51 PM »

This is far from a hijack. As far as I can tell you two are talking about the same car, not definate but odds are. I mean how many green HEMI Daytona's were in that area at the time that were minus a nose cone?
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Wonder what it's worth now with this bad economy? LEON. scratchchin
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« Reply #42 on: July 19, 2010, 01:19:18 AM »

Bruce,
Am I correct then that Pat purchased the car from the English teacher at my old high school?  My friends who graduated before I got there were adamant that that Daytona resided in the faculty parking lot in the early to mid 70's.
Here is a pic of it when Bruce Lear took my dad (Joe Machado) and Jim Radke and a few others to see it..  There is the Corvair that Bruce really wants... nana


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« Reply #43 on: July 19, 2010, 01:21:12 AM »

This is also the same IRS car that was seized from Phil Jackson a while back.  There is another thread about the story. 


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« Reply #44 on: July 19, 2010, 07:02:20 AM »

Do I spy a '66 / '67 Coronet wagon in the background?

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« Reply #45 on: July 19, 2010, 08:41:05 AM »

This is probably just an optical illusion, but does that wing look to be painted F8 Green in Sean's last picture rather than black?
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« Reply #46 on: July 19, 2010, 08:45:16 AM »

It does appear so doesn't it?
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« Reply #47 on: July 19, 2010, 09:15:14 AM »

It does appear so doesn't it?
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« Reply #48 on: July 19, 2010, 10:04:38 AM »

I grew up in a house at the end of a culdesac.  My neighbor 2 doors down did have a mid 60's mopar wagon.  My next door neighbor had more Corvairs than my brother and I had Mopars.  Good thing we had large yards back then!  I do recall the wing on Pat Harper's car being body colored instead of black (I see the wing and stripe are white now).  The guy who owned it before Pat bought it told me that the wing was there to prevent anybody from drafting off the Daytona.  But when he drove it without the wing, he noticed a difference above 80MPH. 
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« Reply #49 on: July 19, 2010, 10:09:03 AM »

It does appear so doesn't it?
yesnod yesnod yesnod yesnod    black stripe but green wing

Alright, if that's the case, here's some more grist for the mill...

If you look at the black stripe, it appears to have been installed too close to the rear valance corner seam for how Creative Industries normally installed the stripe.  Add to that the fact that the reflector bezels also appear to be green - and you have to wonder if the car could have been one of the very few which may have come from Creative Industries without a Daytona stripe and with a body-colored wing.

Now, before the thought police swoops in to drop the hammer on me, let me add that it's VERY apparent that significant body work has been done to the car.  After all, we know (I'm convinced even if others aren't) it didn't roll out of Creative Industries with a '70 Charger front clip OR the vinyl top.  Perhaps without DayOne photos it may be hard to prove/disprove this, but it's food for thought anyway.

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« Reply #50 on: July 19, 2010, 10:19:29 AM »

Was this car also missing the emblem in the middle of the tail panel as well. I don't see a Charger emblem in there at all.
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« Reply #51 on: July 19, 2010, 05:47:43 PM »

I grew up in a house at the end of a culdesac.  My neighbor 2 doors down did have a mid 60's mopar wagon.  My next door neighbor had more Corvairs than my brother and I had Mopars.  Good thing we had large yards back then!  I do recall the wing on Pat Harper's car being body colored instead of black (I see the wing and stripe are white now).  The guy who owned it before Pat bought it told me that the wing was there to prevent anybody from drafting off the Daytona.  But when he drove it without the wing, he noticed a difference above 80MPH. 


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« Reply #52 on: July 19, 2010, 05:49:58 PM »

It does appear so doesn't it?
yesnod yesnod yesnod yesnod    black stripe but green wing

Alright, if that's the case, here's some more grist for the mill...

If you look at the black stripe, it appears to have been installed too close to the rear valance corner seam for how Creative Industries normally installed the stripe.  Add to that the fact that the reflector bezels also appear to be green - and you have to wonder if the car could have been one of the very few which may have come from Creative Industries without a Daytona stripe and with a body-colored wing.

Now, before the thought police swoops in to drop the hammer on me, let me add that it's VERY apparent that significant body work has been done to the car.  After all, we know (I'm convinced even if others aren't) it didn't roll out of Creative Industries with a '70 Charger front clip OR the vinyl top.  Perhaps without DayOne photos it may be hard to prove/disprove this, but it's food for thought anyway.

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« Reply #53 on: July 19, 2010, 08:56:07 PM »

That's become a common tale for sure but does anyone REALLY of many instances where that took place?  By really know, I mean that there is hard evidence not just anecdotal?  Especially in the case of Daytonas?
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« Reply #54 on: July 20, 2010, 01:22:53 AM »

It does appear so doesn't it?
yesnod yesnod yesnod yesnod   black stripe but green wing

Alright, if that's the case, here's some more grist for the mill...

If you look at the black stripe, it appears to have been installed too close to the rear valance corner seam for how Creative Industries normally installed the stripe. ADD to that the fact that the reflector bezels also appear to be green - and you have to wonder if the car could have been one of the very few which may have come from Creative Industries without a Daytona stripe and with a declared wing.

Now, before the thought police swoops in to drop the hammer on me, let me add that it's VERY apparent that significant body work has been done to the car. After all, we know (I'm convinced even if others aren't) it didn't roll out of Creative Industries with a '70 Charger front clip OR the vinyl top. Perhaps without DayOne photos it may be hard to prove/disprove this, but it's food for thought anyway.

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The nose of the Daytona was knocked off at an intersection.  That is what Pat told everyone.  Is that correct Bruce?  That is what my dad told me.
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« Reply #55 on: July 20, 2010, 01:28:35 AM »

It does appear so doesn't it?
yesnod yesnod yesnod yesnod    black stripe but green wing

Alright, if that's the case, here's some more grist for the mill...

If you look at the black stripe, it appears to have been installed too close to the rear valance corner seam for how Creative Industries normally installed the stripe.  Add to that the fact that the reflector bezels also appear to be green - and you have to wonder if the car could have been one of the very few which may have come from Creative Industries without a Daytona stripe and with a body-colored wing.

Now, before the thought police swoops in to drop the hammer on me, let me add that it's VERY apparent that significant body work has been done to the car.  After all, we know (I'm convinced even if others aren't) it didn't roll out of Creative Industries with a '70 Charger front clip OR the vinyl top.  Perhaps without DayOne photos it may be hard to prove/disprove this, but it's food for thought anyway.

 scratchchin
Many dealerships would convert these Daytona's & Superbirds to regular looking Chargers or Roadrunners to try to sell at end of year if nobody bought them. Back then they were ugly & hard to sell. LEON.
I don't know of any Daytona's that were converted to sell as new cars.   There was a few Superbirds that I know of.   Daytona's hit the Dealers after the 70 Charger came out.  In fact, all of them except the first one.
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« Reply #56 on: July 20, 2010, 09:14:49 AM »

The nose of the Daytona was knocked off at an intersection.  That is what Pat told everyone.  Is that correct Bruce?  That is what my dad told me.
Can you say "Right turn on red"?  Pulled out a little too far.  That's what the guy who owned it before Pat Harper said. 
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« Reply #57 on: December 24, 2010, 04:41:08 PM »

Got Jan MGC .They did a few pages on this car.And its past and present owners.But didnt mention the IRS seizure and return of the daytona
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« Reply #58 on: December 25, 2010, 07:49:40 AM »

"Many dealerships would convert these Daytona's & Superbirds to regular looking Chargers or Roadrunners to try to sell at end of year if nobody bought them. Back then they were ugly & hard to sell. LEON."

Not to be a wise guy, I love the look of the Aero cars but not one friend of mine does.  They all think it's the ugliest thing that rolls down the road.  And this is now time.  So not much has changed. Undecided

I even have one friend that has told me if I was to sell my car for a Daytona he wouldn't talk to me anymore.  rofl

Also about the green comments ( I don't care for green either ) back in the day almost all the 69 chargers in my area were green on green on green.  eek ( sorry green owners ).  icon_smile_big
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« Reply #59 on: December 25, 2010, 11:24:28 AM »

"Many dealerships would convert these Daytona's & Superbirds to regular looking Chargers or Roadrunners to try to sell at end of year if nobody bought them. Back then they were ugly & hard to sell. LEON."

Not to be a wise guy, I love the look of the Aero cars but not one friend of mine does.  They all think it's the ugliest thing that rolls down the road.  And this is now time.  So not much has changed. Undecided

I even have one friend that has told me if I was to sell my car for a Daytona he wouldn't talk to me anymore.  rofl

Also about the green comments ( I don't care for green either ) back in the day almost all the 69 chargers in my area were green on green on green.  eek ( sorry green owners ).  icon_smile_big

You should of asked Santa for some new friends!   lol
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« Reply #60 on: December 26, 2010, 01:05:29 AM »

Agree.     I also never have known of a Daytona converted to a Charger as a new car to sell..     Only a couple birds were converted and the story gets blown out..  Had to do more with not being able to insure than nobody want them..     
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« Reply #61 on: December 26, 2010, 01:48:21 PM »

I never seen of or heard of a dealer converted daytona.Just superbirds .The MCG story made no mention of another owner of this car.Bill Jurevich Hollister CA
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