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Started by dukeboy_318, October 28, 2007, 08:16:31 AM

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dukeboy_318

Help me out if you would be so kind by checking this combo and letting me know your opinions.  This will be in a 77 400 with 727 trans going into a 74 charger SE.  Motor for this example will be .030 over.  heres the combo(prices included just for giggles)
         Part                     PN Number  Price through summit(just for estimate)
Wieland Action plus intake pn: 8008- $175.95
KB 240 pistons UEM KB2400308- 313.99
Comp cams timing chain CCA 2104 56.99
Holley Hydr. Lifters  71977PR        90.39
Voodoo Cam; duration in/ex 268/276, duration @ .050- 226/234, gross lift- .494/.513; pn number 60303- 132.39
2400 TCI stall covnerter- TCI 141200- $ 305.95
Hedman shorty hedders 1.75 inch primaries to 2.5 in collector- 78070- $159.99
Eddelbrock 750 cfm electric choke- 9913-$229.95
B&M flexplate- BMM 10237-$79.95

I will using the stock heads as well, might have them ported and polished if money in budget allows.  machine and rebuild cost will be as followed
Bored to .030 over (if needed) $120
Hot tanked - $60
New cam bearings- $80 installed
Clevite Main bearings installed 80 bucks(depending of undersize)
Melling High volume oil pump- MELM63HV- 61.95

Hopefully I can make 350 or high on the HP side and still have a streetable and durable engine.  Id rather sacarfise power for durability. If i need to clarify anything, let me know

thanks
dukeboy_318

1978 Dodge Power Wagon W200 4x4- 408 stroker/4spd
1974 Dodge Dart Swinger. 440 project in the works.

Plumcrazy

A few suggestions.

Have the block checked for cracks

Recondition the rods and have them shot peened

ARP rod, main and head bolts

Stainless steel valves

It's not a midlife crisis, it's my second adolescence.

mally69

Loose the eddelbrock carb  :Twocents: ,, get a holley or demon  much better :2thumbs:

Challenger340

Only wimps wear Bowties !

Chryco Psycho

for $200 more you can get a good forged piston
Most Hedman headers will NOT clear the mini starters
I would use a Holley or Proform carb

dukeboy_318

not planning on using a mini starter, just the stocker, will that be a problem???
1978 Dodge Power Wagon W200 4x4- 408 stroker/4spd
1974 Dodge Dart Swinger. 440 project in the works.

terrible one

Quote from: Chryco Psycho on October 29, 2007, 02:31:14 PM
for $200 more you can get a good forged piston
Most Hedman headers will NOT clear the mini starters
I would use a Holley or Proform carb

Really? Why is that? Is that a usual case with headers on these cars? I figured a smaller starter would mean more clearance?

Chryco Psycho

Hedman has a different design for their headers putting one of the tubes right where the mini sits 

Steve P.

:iagree: I have Headmens and had to do some heating and bending to make the mini started fit. It seams that I have allllllways had to do some extra fitment, but this time was BIG.......  :icon_smile_blackeye:
Steve P.
Holiday, Florida

dukeboy_318

any other reccomendations for headers that run less than 200
1978 Dodge Power Wagon W200 4x4- 408 stroker/4spd
1974 Dodge Dart Swinger. 440 project in the works.

Mean 318

Holley performer! Eddelbrock SUCK! IMHO... I wouldnt put that "stuff" on my lawn mower!

dukeboy_318

forgot to mention that i am switching back to holley after readign some of the issues with edelbrock carbs
1978 Dodge Power Wagon W200 4x4- 408 stroker/4spd
1974 Dodge Dart Swinger. 440 project in the works.

chargerbr549

I have a set of the Hedman 78070 shorty hedders on my 74 Dodge 440 pick-up and I am pretty sure that you can't use the stock starter but I maybe wrong, I have no clearance issues with them around the mini-starter the only area I remember that was close was one of the collectors comes close to the pan rail but that worked out fine, I have run these hedders for about 6 years now and they have worked really well for me.

Kevin

jwc

Heres my combo that has my 73 SE in mid 13s 400 stock pistons ,windage tray from mopar performance#4120998 (can be installed without pulling engine) .038 head gasket from MP#4529455 Summit cam #K6901 comes with lifters Flowtec headers452 heads ported 8008 Wieland manifold and a Holly duel feed 750 .Transmission and converter are stock. Rear is 273 car is a dog offthe line but when Ihit 2nd you can fell it pulling
73 Charger

dukeboy_318

Quote from: jwc on November 03, 2007, 10:02:37 PM
Heres my combo that has my 73 SE in mid 13s 400 stock pistons ,windage tray from mopar performance#4120998 (can be installed without pulling engine) .038 head gasket from MP#4529455 Summit cam #K6901 comes with lifters Flowtec headers452 heads ported 8008 Wieland manifold and a Holly duel feed 750 .Transmission and converter are stock. Rear is 273 car is a dog offthe line but when Ihit 2nd you can fell it pulling
not bad, upgrade the trans and different gears you might hit high 12s.
1978 Dodge Power Wagon W200 4x4- 408 stroker/4spd
1974 Dodge Dart Swinger. 440 project in the works.

dukeboy_318

another question, what would you guys reccomend as far as pushrods, mine arent bad, but im going for durablity so im replacing them and the rocker arms, also what valve springs??
1978 Dodge Power Wagon W200 4x4- 408 stroker/4spd
1974 Dodge Dart Swinger. 440 project in the works.

dukeboy_318

1978 Dodge Power Wagon W200 4x4- 408 stroker/4spd
1974 Dodge Dart Swinger. 440 project in the works.

firefighter3931

The list looks good....few things i would change though ;

(1) Performer RPM intake manifold instead of the Wiend
(2) PTC 11in torque converter instead of the TCI

I would use the MP heavy duty stamped rocker arms and a set of chrome moly pushrods. Comp Cams # 911 valve springs will work fine with that VooDoo bumpstick....or go with the recommended lunati springs....your choice.

Not sure on the oilpan....but with an HV pump you will want something better than stock. A windage tray of course to keep the oil in the pan...where it belongs. The 6qt Hemi pan is very good but i'm not sure if it fits in a 74 Charger.  :scratchchin:

Headers sould be a 1 3/4in primary long tube design....no shorties. Again...not sure what fits well in the later chassis.  :shruggy:



Ron
68 Charger R/T "Black Pig" Street/Strip bruiser, 70 Charger R/T 440-6bbl Cruiser. Firecore ignition  authorized dealer ; contact me with your needs

dukeboy_318

Quote from: firefighter3931 on November 09, 2007, 07:11:37 PM
The list looks good....few things i would change though ;

(1) Performer RPM intake manifold instead of the Wiend
(2) PTC 11in torque converter instead of the TCI

I would use the MP heavy duty stamped rocker arms and a set of chrome moly pushrods. Comp Cams # 911 valve springs will work fine with that VooDoo bumpstick....or go with the recommended lunati springs....your choice.

Not sure on the oilpan....but with an HV pump you will want something better than stock. A windage tray of course to keep the oil in the pan...where it belongs. The 6qt Hemi pan is very good but i'm not sure if it fits in a 74 Charger.  :scratchchin:

Headers sould be a 1 3/4in primary long tube design....no shorties. Again...not sure what fits well in the later chassis.  :shruggy:



Ron
Yeah im planning on an aftermarket oil pan, ive heard some bad things bout the edelbrock performer RPM intake.  Im also thinking of going a little bigger on the cam, maybe this one , similar to what hot rodder is running,
http://store.summitracing.com/partdetail.asp?part=LUN%2D60305LK&view=32&N=700+150+4294908126+4294925061&appfilter=1#Application
im also getting a milodin windage tray and going to get some new valves too.
1978 Dodge Power Wagon W200 4x4- 408 stroker/4spd
1974 Dodge Dart Swinger. 440 project in the works.

dukeboy_318

will i have to have my heads macined to fit these springs on it???
http://store.summitracing.com/partdetail.asp?part=LUN-73815
1978 Dodge Power Wagon W200 4x4- 408 stroker/4spd
1974 Dodge Dart Swinger. 440 project in the works.

firefighter3931

Quote from: dukeboy_318 on November 09, 2007, 07:18:24 PM
Yeah im planning on an aftermarket oil pan, ive heard some bad things bout the edelbrock performer RPM intake.  Im also thinking of going a little bigger on the cam, maybe this one , similar to what hot rodder is running,
http://store.summitracing.com/partdetail.asp?part=LUN%2D60305LK&view=32&N=700+150+4294908126+4294925061&appfilter=1#Application
im also getting a milodin windage tray and going to get some new valves too.


Nothing wrong with the RPM intake manifold.  ;)

The 268* Voo Doo cam is the right choice for a 400ci engine.....the larger stick for hotrodder's motor would be too big....remember he is building a 500in stroker. Don't overcam or you will be sorry.  :icon_smile_blackeye:


Quote from: dukeboy_318 on November 09, 2007, 07:19:39 PM
will i have to have my heads macined to fit these springs on it???
http://store.summitracing.com/partdetail.asp?part=LUN-73815


Nope....those springs will work fine. Basicly a stock spec (dimension) high performance spring.  :2thumbs:



Ron
68 Charger R/T "Black Pig" Street/Strip bruiser, 70 Charger R/T 440-6bbl Cruiser. Firecore ignition  authorized dealer ; contact me with your needs

dukeboy_318

okay will keep orginal cam,
1978 Dodge Power Wagon W200 4x4- 408 stroker/4spd
1974 Dodge Dart Swinger. 440 project in the works.

dukeboy_318

my other ption is  a 472 stroker kit from 440source, dont know yet, again looking for durability but power at the same time, i am saving up for the 440source heads though
1978 Dodge Power Wagon W200 4x4- 408 stroker/4spd
1974 Dodge Dart Swinger. 440 project in the works.

Hot_Rodder

Looks to me like you decided on the 472 cid motor, lol. Either way, enjoy. :cheers:

dukeboy_318

yep thanks to some 3 hrs of research and half hour on the phone with 440source. oh and you guys :2thumbs:
1978 Dodge Power Wagon W200 4x4- 408 stroker/4spd
1974 Dodge Dart Swinger. 440 project in the works.