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Dan's Long Annoying Engine Problem Thread

Started by bordin34, September 14, 2008, 07:35:09 PM

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bordin34

I am still troubleshooting my engine problems that have been occurring since easter. I have been hearing some bad things about the Holley Street Avengers like on my car and similar issues to what I am having. Somebody also cross-threaded a jet on the primary side. My floats are also different the primary one is brass while the secondary is plastic. I want to be sure that the carb is or is not the problem but do not have a spare and the one time I had a spare, the ballast went bad. So, can anybody lend me a carb for an afternoon?
Thanks,
Dan

1973 SE Brougham Black 4̶0̶0̶  440 Auto.
1967 Coronet Black 440 Auto
1974 SE Brougham Blue 318 Auto- Sold to a guy in Croatia
1974 Valiant Green 318 Auto - Sold to a guy in Louisiana
Mahwah,NJ

bordin34

Here is my latest theory after going to a cruise night with a help sign. Rust or debris stirred up in the tank and clogging the sock or fuel filter.

1973 SE Brougham Black 4̶0̶0̶  440 Auto.
1967 Coronet Black 440 Auto
1974 SE Brougham Blue 318 Auto- Sold to a guy in Croatia
1974 Valiant Green 318 Auto - Sold to a guy in Louisiana
Mahwah,NJ

mikepmcs

Dan,
That cross threaded jet can't be helping much either IMO.  I wish I lived closer, I'd lend you  mine.


I'm guessing you no longer have the other car with the 318?

v/r
Mike
Life isn't Father Knows Best anymore, it's a kick in the face on a saturday night with a steel toed grip kodiak work boot and a trip to the hospital all bloodied and bashed.....for reconstructive surgery. But, what doesn't kill us, makes us stronger, right?

bordin34

My other Charger has been long gone and probably in Croatia by now. I wrote down the numbers on the metering block but can't find any that match to get a replacement. Also, i don't think the secondaries are working much if at all because the fuel I drained out of the bowl was piss yellow.

1973 SE Brougham Black 4̶0̶0̶  440 Auto.
1967 Coronet Black 440 Auto
1974 SE Brougham Blue 318 Auto- Sold to a guy in Croatia
1974 Valiant Green 318 Auto - Sold to a guy in Louisiana
Mahwah,NJ

bordin34

I change my mind a lot on the theory as to why this is happening. Right now it is that the distributor can't keep time right. I just remembered that when I had the timing light on it awhile back that the light would randomly jump around sometimes.  This is in addition to what I believe could be carb problems.
My theory will change almost daily if I have touched the car. Hopefully I can get a compression gauge soon and run the test that I should have done 6 months ago.

1973 SE Brougham Black 4̶0̶0̶  440 Auto.
1967 Coronet Black 440 Auto
1974 SE Brougham Blue 318 Auto- Sold to a guy in Croatia
1974 Valiant Green 318 Auto - Sold to a guy in Louisiana
Mahwah,NJ

bordin34

Today I check some more things.
I removed about 5 plugs and all of them were oily and smelled like oil. The passenger side however was more oily.
I also removed the distributor and the reluctor or whatever that spinny 8 sided thing is hits the pickup.

1973 SE Brougham Black 4̶0̶0̶  440 Auto.
1967 Coronet Black 440 Auto
1974 SE Brougham Blue 318 Auto- Sold to a guy in Croatia
1974 Valiant Green 318 Auto - Sold to a guy in Louisiana
Mahwah,NJ

bordin34

Another update- I bought some feeler gauges and set the gap at .008" the car still seems to run the same. The vacuum advance works and it doesn't seem like there is any noticeable play in the distributor. I set the timing decently and it still surges at idle. Partial throttle drive ability seems improved. Also because the timing is not spot on it backfires under anything other that partial throttle. Another thing I found was "EP-45" on the camshaft.
I replaced the fuel filter again and there was some rust in the old one but I think that's normal. I also fixed a pinhole in the valve cover.
My new theory is that my problem is a combination of ignition and carburation. I might get a summit digital ignition box and see if it helps, but before that I need to do a compression check.

1973 SE Brougham Black 4̶0̶0̶  440 Auto.
1967 Coronet Black 440 Auto
1974 SE Brougham Blue 318 Auto- Sold to a guy in Croatia
1974 Valiant Green 318 Auto - Sold to a guy in Louisiana
Mahwah,NJ

bordin34

Here is my latest theory after setting the timing right and driving it...
I believe my secondaries are not working right if at all and that is why is backfires when given more throttle but doesn't when given gradual throttle.

1973 SE Brougham Black 4̶0̶0̶  440 Auto.
1967 Coronet Black 440 Auto
1974 SE Brougham Blue 318 Auto- Sold to a guy in Croatia
1974 Valiant Green 318 Auto - Sold to a guy in Louisiana
Mahwah,NJ

FLG

Have you tried making your secondaries open earlier?

bordin34

I have not done anything on the carb really. I don't have another spring to adjust the secondaries with. I believe they are not working because the fuel I drained out of them was a rich amber color.

1973 SE Brougham Black 4̶0̶0̶  440 Auto.
1967 Coronet Black 440 Auto
1974 SE Brougham Blue 318 Auto- Sold to a guy in Croatia
1974 Valiant Green 318 Auto - Sold to a guy in Louisiana
Mahwah,NJ

bordin34

My new theory, it really changes a lot. I think the timing chain jumped a tooth and the carb is bad.

1973 SE Brougham Black 4̶0̶0̶  440 Auto.
1967 Coronet Black 440 Auto
1974 SE Brougham Blue 318 Auto- Sold to a guy in Croatia
1974 Valiant Green 318 Auto - Sold to a guy in Louisiana
Mahwah,NJ

r73mopar

i just had a simalar problem with mine and it turned out to be the ballast resister. i checked carb,plugs,wires,ignition, distributer, i bought all new and then turd out to be a 6 dollar part. that stunk!!!

bordin34


1973 SE Brougham Black 4̶0̶0̶  440 Auto.
1967 Coronet Black 440 Auto
1974 SE Brougham Blue 318 Auto- Sold to a guy in Croatia
1974 Valiant Green 318 Auto - Sold to a guy in Louisiana
Mahwah,NJ

firefighter3931

Quote from: bordin34 on September 19, 2008, 04:28:26 PM

I removed about 5 plugs and all of them were oily and smelled like oil. The passenger side however was more oily.



It sounds like you have bad valveguide seals and oil is making it's way into the combustion chamber. This will hurt the air/fuel mixture and make the engine run poorly. Fouled plugs don't fire very well....



Ron
68 Charger R/T "Black Pig" Street/Strip bruiser, 70 Charger R/T 440-6bbl Cruiser. Firecore ignition  authorized dealer ; contact me with your needs

bordin34

That was one of my previous theories. I cleaned all the plugs once and it ran great until I shut it off, then total crap. I think I mentioned it in one of my other threads. I ordered a compression gauge and I will do a compression check then go from there. Also there is sometimes oil burned at start up and sometimes not. I think that is also why it ran much better when I bypassed the ballast.

1973 SE Brougham Black 4̶0̶0̶  440 Auto.
1967 Coronet Black 440 Auto
1974 SE Brougham Blue 318 Auto- Sold to a guy in Croatia
1974 Valiant Green 318 Auto - Sold to a guy in Louisiana
Mahwah,NJ

FLG

Bordin. If your not busy this weekend ill come up. Dont know if you will have it by then but ill bring my compression checker, timing light and if you want pic up a double roller chain, the gaskets, and some anti-freeze and ill bring the pulley puller and we can change the chain.

bordin34

Thanks for the offer, but this weekend does not work out for me. Perhaps some other time.

1973 SE Brougham Black 4̶0̶0̶  440 Auto.
1967 Coronet Black 440 Auto
1974 SE Brougham Blue 318 Auto- Sold to a guy in Croatia
1974 Valiant Green 318 Auto - Sold to a guy in Louisiana
Mahwah,NJ

FLG

Sure just shoot me a PM. Im usually free during the week too.

bordin34

Here are my compression test readings they seem low to me but they are pretty much even.
1-110psi       2-100psi
3-110psi       4-110psi
5-105psi       6-110psi
7-110psi       8-100psi

1973 SE Brougham Black 4̶0̶0̶  440 Auto.
1967 Coronet Black 440 Auto
1974 SE Brougham Blue 318 Auto- Sold to a guy in Croatia
1974 Valiant Green 318 Auto - Sold to a guy in Louisiana
Mahwah,NJ

mikepmcs

Dan, that does seem low to me as well. :shruggy:
Unless of course the compression gauge is off....

I know that is no help but looking 130+++(ballpark, most likely more) is more in the range.
Not saying that is exactly the issue but could be a combo of things IMO
Life isn't Father Knows Best anymore, it's a kick in the face on a saturday night with a steel toed grip kodiak work boot and a trip to the hospital all bloodied and bashed.....for reconstructive surgery. But, what doesn't kill us, makes us stronger, right?

FLG

Engine warm or cold? I know your supposed to do it warm but hell its way to hard to fit fingers under 400 exhaust manifolds with the damn inner fender so close. If they were done cold there really not bad. You have to remember 400's were smog blocks...lower compression.

bordin34

I did it warm and used a screw in type but I really couldn't get it as tight as I wanted to.

1973 SE Brougham Black 4̶0̶0̶  440 Auto.
1967 Coronet Black 440 Auto
1974 SE Brougham Blue 318 Auto- Sold to a guy in Croatia
1974 Valiant Green 318 Auto - Sold to a guy in Louisiana
Mahwah,NJ

bordin34

My newest theory is I have bad valve guide seals and the compression is low because the timing chain jumped.

1973 SE Brougham Black 4̶0̶0̶  440 Auto.
1967 Coronet Black 440 Auto
1974 SE Brougham Blue 318 Auto- Sold to a guy in Croatia
1974 Valiant Green 318 Auto - Sold to a guy in Louisiana
Mahwah,NJ

mikepmcs

Dan

I'm just gonna throw this out there, why would the compression be bad because the timing chain jumped.  In my opinion the otto cycle is the same no matter what(expansion, cooling, compression, and combustion.)  Piston goes up and down creates the combustion or in this case the compression.....timing should have nothing to do with that part...right? :shruggy:
ok, I do see the thinking behind that though it just doesn't seem to me to be the answer.  If of course you are thinking that it is not making the full throw, but I'm still having a hard time gettin my head around that one.
were/are you blowing smoke as well??  what are the plugs doing now...still looking crappy??

v/r
Mike

Life isn't Father Knows Best anymore, it's a kick in the face on a saturday night with a steel toed grip kodiak work boot and a trip to the hospital all bloodied and bashed.....for reconstructive surgery. But, what doesn't kill us, makes us stronger, right?

bordin34

I was occasionally blowing smoke at startup but recently it has gotten worse. The plugs were misted with oil when I pulled them to do the compression check. I am going to clean and re-install them and if it runs better I will replace the valve guide.
My thoughts behind the timing chain jump and the compression is that it starts sucking air in later and compresses later with less stroke.
I also have a bottle of marvel mystery oil, a couple ounces of atf, and dry gas in the tank. I am running 87 octane regular.

1973 SE Brougham Black 4̶0̶0̶  440 Auto.
1967 Coronet Black 440 Auto
1974 SE Brougham Blue 318 Auto- Sold to a guy in Croatia
1974 Valiant Green 318 Auto - Sold to a guy in Louisiana
Mahwah,NJ