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Started by dreamcatcher, October 28, 2010, 08:31:02 AM

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dreamcatcher

How do I tell the difference between a 318 and a 340 engine?I pulled an engine from a 70 satelite.Always thought it was the original 318 4bbl.Now I find that it is not the original.So I am wondering if it is a 340 4bbl instead.  :scratchchin:
1970 Superbird Tribute 440 auto
1968 Charger 426 6 pack auto
1971 Chevelle SS Tribute 350 4 speed
1970 Mustang 351 C 4 speed
1969 GTO 400 Ram air III 4 speed
1972 Charger (soon 5.7 hemi auto)
1973 Charger 440 auto (U code)
If you've never been scared (even a little) then you've never gone as fast as you could have!

Troy

The first thing to check would be the casting large numbers on the side. There will be a long series of numbers, then a dash followed by the engine size, and then another dash followed by a single digit (revision I think).

If it happens to originally be out of a 70 Challenger it might be mine...

Troy
Sarcasm detector, that's a real good invention.

dreamcatcher

I will look this morning thanks...There is some chance it was from something like that because the transmission was e (I think ) which could have been out of a challenger
1970 Superbird Tribute 440 auto
1968 Charger 426 6 pack auto
1971 Chevelle SS Tribute 350 4 speed
1970 Mustang 351 C 4 speed
1969 GTO 400 Ram air III 4 speed
1972 Charger (soon 5.7 hemi auto)
1973 Charger 440 auto (U code)
If you've never been scared (even a little) then you've never gone as fast as you could have!

Nacho-RT74

Quote from: dreamcatcher on October 28, 2010, 08:31:02 AM
.Always thought it was the original 318 4bbl.

I don't think 318 4bbls were made in USA ( just down here in Venezuela )
Venezuelan RT 74 400 4bbl, 727, 8.75 3.23 open. Now stroked with 440 crank and 3.55 SG. Here is the History and how is actually: http://www.dodgecharger.com/forum/index.php/topic,7603.0/all.html
http://www.dodgecharger.com/forum/index.php/topic,25060.0.html

Troy

Well, I'm missing my transmission too. Any way, there should be some stamped numbers on it too in various places.

Troy
Sarcasm detector, that's a real good invention.

Troy

Quote from: Nacho-RT74 on October 28, 2010, 11:29:48 AM
Quote from: dreamcatcher on October 28, 2010, 08:31:02 AM
.Always thought it was the original 318 4bbl.

I don't think 318 4bbls were made in USA ( just down here in Venezuela )
You could get a 4 bbl on a 318 here - but not in 1970. My 73 Barracuda had a 4 bbl but I know it wasn't original. Since this car has had some modifications I wouldn't count on anything being exactly like the factory made it.

Troy
Sarcasm detector, that's a real good invention.

nvrbdn

troy is droolin  :drool5: is this possible that the lost combo has been found :scratchchin:  :popcrn: :popcrn: :popcrn:
70 Dodge Charger 500
70 Duster (Moulin Rouge)
73 Challenger
50 Dodge Pilot House

John_Kunkel


The engine serial number stamped on the front of the block just below the drivers side cylinder head will show the displacement.
Pardon me but my karma just ran over your dogma.

dreamcatcher

Well it is indeed a 318 4bbl...sorry I wish it would have been your engine.I will check the SER. # too Maybe it is someone else's engine.It has a factory cast 4bbl manifold on it and looks to be original (dont look like it has been apart)  :shruggy:
1970 Superbird Tribute 440 auto
1968 Charger 426 6 pack auto
1971 Chevelle SS Tribute 350 4 speed
1970 Mustang 351 C 4 speed
1969 GTO 400 Ram air III 4 speed
1972 Charger (soon 5.7 hemi auto)
1973 Charger 440 auto (U code)
If you've never been scared (even a little) then you've never gone as fast as you could have!

Nacho-RT74

Quote from: Troy on October 28, 2010, 12:04:34 PM
Quote from: Nacho-RT74 on October 28, 2010, 11:29:48 AM
Quote from: dreamcatcher on October 28, 2010, 08:31:02 AM
.Always thought it was the original 318 4bbl.

I don't think 318 4bbls were made in USA ( just down here in Venezuela )
You could get a 4 bbl on a 318 here - but not in 1970. My 73 Barracuda had a 4 bbl but I know it wasn't original. Since this car has had some modifications I wouldn't count on anything being exactly like the factory made it.

Troy


interesting :scratchchin:

when and where ?
Venezuelan RT 74 400 4bbl, 727, 8.75 3.23 open. Now stroked with 440 crank and 3.55 SG. Here is the History and how is actually: http://www.dodgecharger.com/forum/index.php/topic,7603.0/all.html
http://www.dodgecharger.com/forum/index.php/topic,25060.0.html

Troy

Quote from: dreamcatcher on October 28, 2010, 09:36:47 PM
Well it is indeed a 318 4bbl...sorry I wish it would have been your engine.I will check the SER. # too Maybe it is someone else's engine.It has a factory cast 4bbl manifold on it and looks to be original (dont look like it has been apart)  :shruggy:
What's the casting date on the engine? It should be near the part number that you already found.

Quote from: Nacho-RT74 on October 29, 2010, 12:54:26 AM
Quote from: Troy on October 28, 2010, 12:04:34 PM
Quote from: Nacho-RT74 on October 28, 2010, 11:29:48 AM
Quote from: dreamcatcher on October 28, 2010, 08:31:02 AM
.Always thought it was the original 318 4bbl.

I don't think 318 4bbls were made in USA ( just down here in Venezuela )
You could get a 4 bbl on a 318 here - but not in 1970. My 73 Barracuda had a 4 bbl but I know it wasn't original. Since this car has had some modifications I wouldn't count on anything being exactly like the factory made it.

Troy


interesting :scratchchin:

when and where ?
Starting in '78 I think. Diplomat cop cars had them for sure. I read it on Allpar a while back when I was researching my car but I don't have the link handy.

Troy
Sarcasm detector, that's a real good invention.

dreamcatcher

I forgot the numbers at my shop  :shruggy: but promise to post them tomorrow.I will also look for date codes as well.I can say that the first numbers I seen just below the head on the drivers side of the block were PM 318 R then the SER. number.
1970 Superbird Tribute 440 auto
1968 Charger 426 6 pack auto
1971 Chevelle SS Tribute 350 4 speed
1970 Mustang 351 C 4 speed
1969 GTO 400 Ram air III 4 speed
1972 Charger (soon 5.7 hemi auto)
1973 Charger 440 auto (U code)
If you've never been scared (even a little) then you've never gone as fast as you could have!

69CoronetRT

Quote from: Nacho-RT74 on October 29, 2010, 12:54:26 AM
Quote from: Troy on October 28, 2010, 12:04:34 PM
Quote from: Nacho-RT74 on October 28, 2010, 11:29:48 AM
Quote from: dreamcatcher on October 28, 2010, 08:31:02 AM
.Always thought it was the original 318 4bbl.

I don't think 318 4bbls were made in USA ( just down here in Venezuela )
You could get a 4 bbl on a 318 here - but not in 1970. My 73 Barracuda had a 4 bbl but I know it wasn't original. Since this car has had some modifications I wouldn't count on anything being exactly like the factory made it.

Troy


interesting :scratchchin:

when and where ?

318-2x4 in '57 and '58
318-1x4 in '59-62 and '78+
Seeking information on '69 St. Louis plant VINs, SPDs and VONs. Buld sheets and tag pictures appreciated. Over 3,000 on file thanks to people like you.

John_Kunkel

Quote from: dreamcatcher on October 29, 2010, 07:23:51 PM
I seen just below the head on the drivers side of the block were PM 318 R then the SER. number.

PM= Built at the Marysville engine plant
318= displacement
R= Regular fuel

The number following the 318R will include the build date, post the entire number and somebody will decode the rest of it.
Pardon me but my karma just ran over your dogma.

dreamcatcher

1970 Superbird Tribute 440 auto
1968 Charger 426 6 pack auto
1971 Chevelle SS Tribute 350 4 speed
1970 Mustang 351 C 4 speed
1969 GTO 400 Ram air III 4 speed
1972 Charger (soon 5.7 hemi auto)
1973 Charger 440 auto (U code)
If you've never been scared (even a little) then you've never gone as fast as you could have!

Nacho-RT74

Quote from: 69CoronetRT on October 29, 2010, 07:44:06 PM
Quote from: Nacho-RT74 on October 29, 2010, 12:54:26 AM
Quote from: Troy on October 28, 2010, 12:04:34 PM
Quote from: Nacho-RT74 on October 28, 2010, 11:29:48 AM
Quote from: dreamcatcher on October 28, 2010, 08:31:02 AM
.Always thought it was the original 318 4bbl.

I don't think 318 4bbls were made in USA ( just down here in Venezuela )
You could get a 4 bbl on a 318 here - but not in 1970. My 73 Barracuda had a 4 bbl but I know it wasn't original. Since this car has had some modifications I wouldn't count on anything being exactly like the factory made it.

Troy


interesting :scratchchin:

when and where ?

318-2x4 in '57 and '58
318-1x4 in '59-62 and '78+

well I'm talking about LA blocks, not A.

Locally were assemblied from 69 to 72

thanks :thumbs:
Venezuelan RT 74 400 4bbl, 727, 8.75 3.23 open. Now stroked with 440 crank and 3.55 SG. Here is the History and how is actually: http://www.dodgecharger.com/forum/index.php/topic,7603.0/all.html
http://www.dodgecharger.com/forum/index.php/topic,25060.0.html

dreamcatcher

The number on the block just under the head PM 318 R 23312120 the numbers on the side of the block 2538030 318 8
1970 Superbird Tribute 440 auto
1968 Charger 426 6 pack auto
1971 Chevelle SS Tribute 350 4 speed
1970 Mustang 351 C 4 speed
1969 GTO 400 Ram air III 4 speed
1972 Charger (soon 5.7 hemi auto)
1973 Charger 440 auto (U code)
If you've never been scared (even a little) then you've never gone as fast as you could have!

John_Kunkel

Quote from: dreamcatcher on October 30, 2010, 07:14:20 PM
PM 318 R 23312120

2331 is the build date December 15, 1967 so it's a '68 motor.

2120 is the sequence number, the 2120th built that day.

This complete serial number is unique to this motor.
Pardon me but my karma just ran over your dogma.