So anyone know this white elephant?

[WINGIN IT]

http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/1970-Plymouth-Hemi-Superbird-/330662067018?pt=US_Cars_Trucks&hash=item4cfcfebb4a

[Ghoste]

No but according to the ad it is only for serious collectors anyway.  If you are planning to have fun you have to look elsewhere.  (I wonder if there is a seriousness quiz you need to pass before they will accept your money??)

[maxwellwedge]

Seriously         

Car converted to 4-speed?   

[Ghoste]

That is a good, and very serious, question.  Thats the kind of hard hitting inquiry that could qualify you.

[FJ5WING]

I do like White Birds and I LOVE the wheels....not common but soooo cool!  I had a White car in my clutches and didnt buy it a few months before buying the all too common these days Greenie.

[xx29440charger]

Why so serious?

[moparstuart]

 love it       converted  4 speed would be ok with me  !!!!!     hey dad  i'm not that picky you can buy me this one   

[pettybird]

didn't know he had it for sale...that's Rich Fiore out of Long Island.  He's had the car for about the last 10 years.  It is a nice, solid, clean Hemi car, and I really don't think the change to 4 speed is a huge sin...as far as I remember the original auto trans was long gone anyway.

He also has a yellow 440/4 speed car.  I haven't talked to him in a while so I don't know if he's fishing or wanting to move on.  

[FJ5WING]

so wheres the line drawn as far as cutting up and parts swapping?

I see the tranny swap in the same line as a HEMI in place of a wedge. the owner did this for his own preferrence and now would be buyers need to evaluate how that impacts them.

[6PakBee]

 

so wheres the line drawn as far as cutting up and parts swapping?

I see the tranny swap in the same line as a HEMI in place of a wedge. the owner did this for his own preferrence and now would be buyers need to evaluate how that impacts them.

 With all due respect to the owner, it was a rare car.  Now it's something else.  Rarity and originality go hand in hand. You can't start changing items and have it maintain the rarity.  

[tan top]

   nice looking bird  yes can see its no longer original  , but no biggie to change back to a auto !!  not as if its a unrestored  survivor  

heres the pictures before the ad goes 

[tan top]

 

[hemi68charger]

...I see the tranny swap in the same line as a HEMI in place of a wedge.

I would love to do that with my Daytona if I end up not selling.......

[WINGIN IT]

Missing front nose rubber piece?  Anything else?
Engine look correct?

[maxwellwedge]

didn't know he had it for sale...that's Rich Fiore out of Long Island.  He's had the car for about the last 10 years.  It is a nice, solid, clean Hemi car, and I really don't think the change to 4 speed is a huge sin...as far as I remember the original auto trans was long gone anyway.

He also has a yellow 440/4 speed car.  I haven't talked to him in a while so I don't know if he's fishing or wanting to move on.  

A lot of surgery now required to put it back - which may almost become a full resto - due to the "Snowball" effect. The money he probably wants will be equal to an un-screwed with 4 speed.
Honestly? It would kill it for me Doug.....and I have been buying

[pettybird]

again, with respect, what surgery?  remove the hump in the floor, butt weld (heh heh...I said butt) a panel in where the shifter went through, and refinish on both sides.  You wouldn't have to touch the paint.  Sell the trans (it's an 18 spline) bell, shifter, console, pedals, etc. and buy the auto setup.  It would be damn near a wash in money even with the trip through the body shop.  It's a non-matching transmission car no matter what's in it.  there are no extra holes in the firewall, no other marks--it's not MY money but i don't have a problem with it.  Sure, deduct for the non matching transmission, but what's that, 10%?


And, comparing an R code automatic car with a four speed in it to a U code car with a Hemi is just silly. 

[Davtona]

Sell the trans (it's an 18 spline) bell, shifter, console, pedals, etc. and buy the auto setup.  It would be damn near a wash in money even with the trip through the body shop.  

Just my   here but I don't think selling this stuff will add up to enough to buy a usable Hemi automatic. My experience is they are hard to find and expensive. Putting a standard automatic in an original Hemi car would not be any better than the 4 speed IMHO. On the other hand in relation to what this car is worth versus the cost to do a Hemi auto swap the swap would be a small percentage of the cars value. Nice car though either way. Would love to have it. Once again.  

[moparstuart]

 I say leave the manual in it and be happy  looks better and everyone wants a manual anyway 
    so its not correct  its still a hemi bird   

[roadrunner440]

its sad when a car like this birds are always out of my budget but i can always wish or hope somday

[WINGIN IT]

its sad when a car like this birds are always out of my budget but i can always wish or hope somday

Tell me about it...

I'd keep it as is and drive the heck out of it...

[BigBlockSam]

I say leave the manual in it and be happy  icon_smile_big icon_smile_big icon_smile_big looks better and everyone wants a manual anyway
    so its not correct  its still a hemi bird    shruggy

[roadrunner440]

but god there beautiful cars if any one has 1 or 2..... id love to get pics i actulay collect pics of mopars along w resoring mine if any one has nice birds or rr charger or cudas or challengers dusters ect...... id love to get nice pics of them any years work for me u caqn always email to me directly at m16king@netscape.net

[dads_69]

I love a big white wing car! Dodge or Plymouth, I'd drive the tires off it and buy several more sets as time goes on. It's a material item, in 100 years, it won't matter what's been changed on it.

[Rolling_Thunder]

automatics are for old men and lazy people....     I wouldnt mind the 4-speed conversion - then again i would use that to get the price a little lower   

[404NOTFOUND]

automatics are for old men and lazy people....     I wouldnt mind the 4-speed conversion - then again i would use that to get the price a little lower   

I always viewed automatics were for drag racers who want to win.

[FJ5WING]

DELETED...so as to not get into a pissing match

[moparstuart]

ronnie sox could sure row those gears and for some reason i think he won a few 

[roadrunner440]

u can get more hp from a manual than a auto i prefer manual id drag witha manual and win win win

[FJ5WING]

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[pettybird]

u can get more hp from a manual than a auto i prefer manual id drag witha manual and win win win

this isn't what the road tests found during the muscle car era--Mopars seemed to run about the same regardless of transmission...


The four speed is "cooler" to own.  the automatic is a LOT easier to live with at places like the 'nats where you're often on a two-lane parking lot!

[Ghoste]

Ronnie Sox won a bunch with a manual, true enough, but in spite of what we all think there are very very very few of us that can shift like he could. 

[GTXtreme]

didn't know he had it for sale...that's Rich Fiore out of Long Island.  He's had the car for about the last 10 years.  It is a nice, solid, clean Hemi car, and I really don't think the change to 4 speed is a huge sin...as far as I remember the original auto trans was long gone anyway.

He also has a yellow 440/4 speed car.  I haven't talked to him in a while so I don't know if he's fishing or wanting to move on.  

he actually has 3 birds right now, ive been in all of them except the blue one he got 2 years ago. they are all nice cars

[pettybird]

didn't know he had it for sale...that's Rich Fiore out of Long Island.  He's had the car for about the last 10 years.  It is a nice, solid, clean Hemi car, and I really don't think the change to 4 speed is a huge sin...as far as I remember the original auto trans was long gone anyway.

He also has a yellow 440/4 speed car.  I haven't talked to him in a while so I don't know if he's fishing or wanting to move on.  

he actually has 3 birds right now, ive been in all of them except the blue one he got 2 years ago. they are all nice cars

That's the non running car and I thought it belonged to his brother Ron...?

[GTXtreme]

didn't know he had it for sale...that's Rich Fiore out of Long Island.  He's had the car for about the last 10 years.  It is a nice, solid, clean Hemi car, and I really don't think the change to 4 speed is a huge sin...as far as I remember the original auto trans was long gone anyway.

He also has a yellow 440/4 speed car.  I haven't talked to him in a while so I don't know if he's fishing or wanting to move on.  

he actually has 3 birds right now, ive been in all of them except the blue one he got 2 years ago. they are all nice cars

no its his i think it came out of copaige or lindenhurst

That's the non running car and I thought it belonged to his brother Ron...?

[pettybird]

hmmm...shows how well I keep up!  Ron's car came out of Buffalo or Syracuse, methinks.

[roadrunner440]

id just love to drive one of these birds just once!!!

[FJ5WING]

Ive never had the opportunity to get my car on one of the tracks but I have had my car over 120 and didnt notice any difference in the ride versus any other car around the same speed. To me driving the Bird is no different than any other B-body. Just have to be more careful pulling up in the garage, the nose isnt a long as you think so Ive found that I was usually too cautious.

[pettybird]

id just love to drive one of these birds just once!!!

Come to Cleveland!

[pettybird]

Ive never had the opportunity to get my car on one of the tracks

come to a meet!