I'm starting to think that I have Mopar insanity.
I'm in the middle of building my Challenger R/T SE and my 71 Cuda drag car and all of a sudden, I start thinking about building something completely different. Well, different for me anyway. I bought a 70 Charger 500 that a friend of mine had been working on before being laid off a few years ago. He had already purchased all new sheet metal and had started fitting the quarters. I purchased it less the engine, transmission and the stuff that I would have removed anyway to build a Daytona clone. The car has good bones despite the need for new quarters and trunk floor. He bought the best pieces from AMD so that will make my job much easier. The original fenders and hood are very nice. Almost a shame to shorten them.
Here's the plan...at least for now. I tend to change my mind every once in a while ::)
Shorten the nose, fenders and the hood. Similar to the F&F 6 Daytona.
I'll use the steel nose that Howie was originally going to use on his Nascar clone. He decided to go a little more stock in the front end so that he could use buckets, doors and stock z braces.
I'll use new body style Challenger headlamps mounted in place and make the headlamp doors drop down. Not sure on turn signals yet. I have a set of Daytona turn signals just in case I decide to go that way.
I just ordered a 6.4 late style hemi and I haven't decided which way way to go on the transmission yet. I have a new GVO and might just use a 727 with an aftermarket pistol grip racing shifter. I have an 8 3/4 rear and I'll go with big brakes all around. I haven't decided on rims yet. I might go with the new aluminum magnum 500's that Yearone is selling. Interior will have modern gauges, Sparco racing seats, Sparco steering wheel, I'll eliminate the upper door trim panels, I'll use lower 69 style plain door trims panels less the pockets, no rear seat, just carpeted, heavy insulation on floors, roll cage tucked in tight.
I'll use a vega plug, 3rd gen dutchman, Dane's aluminum hollow wing, my wing braces that I make (more braces coming soon) and thinking seriously about using late model Challenger taillights.
I want to be able to drive this car anywhere, anytime and have it be reliable.
This car will be different than the last clone. I was going for as much originality as possible on the first one. That car was a real nice RT SE car to begin with so I didn't want to hack it up. This one isn't anything special so I can do anything to it without the guilt or remorse...lol
Here's a pic of the car being pulled out of the barn.
When does the work start? :popcrn:
As soon as I get the floor welded up in my 71 Cuda drag car so that I can get it off of the fixture and moved to my other building. Hopefully this coming week.
I'm ordering parts for the Daytona now. It's going to have a race car look but be a very nice long distance driver. I'm taking cues from Mr Angrier, the F&F Daytona and other ideas that we've had for building a car. A mixture of all three.
I wouldn't have started this project but I've been caught up in riding my Polaris RZR every weekend and really haven't felt like drag racing. My dragster is sitting in the trailer gathering dust and the cuda drag car is a long way from being ready to assemble, so I thought...why not do something completely different.
he's got so many projects going on now, I don't think any of them will get finished in my lifetime
Bryan
That sounds very cool...Might I suggest late model CHARGER taillights?
Quote from: Dave Kanofsky on May 02, 2013, 04:10:16 PM
That sounds very cool...Might I suggest late model CHARGER taillights?
Here's what I was thinking of doing. Challenger taillights. They fit perfectly. With a little modification to the tail panel of course.
I like the Challey light back there....what year light assembly is that?
Bryan
QuoteShorten the nose, fenders and the hood. Similar to the F&F 6 Daytona.
if you do that can't you stick with the 69 fenders and hood? :cheers:
Quote from: A383Wing on May 02, 2013, 10:56:23 PM
I like the Challey light back there....what year light assembly is that?
Bryan
They fit 2008 to present Challengers. I have a 2009 Challenger and I installed a sequential kit. Might have to do that on the clone as well.
Quote from: BigBlockSam on May 02, 2013, 11:23:59 PM
QuoteShorten the nose, fenders and the hood. Similar to the F&F 6 Daytona.
if you do that can't you stick with the 69 fenders and hood? :cheers:
Not really. I will still need to use the front edge of the 70 fenders. Ill make longitudinal cuts before making the vertical cuts. The nose will mate up to the fender much like a real Daytona but will be firmly attached to the fenders and won't have a filler.
As for the 70 hood, I'll form the front edge of the hood over the hood reinforcement to get the correct contour. It will no longer have the bulge where the safety bolts on. The reinforcement will be double layer for a couple of inches to add strength.
We've discussed chopping a few inches off of the rear as well. I've seen it done before and as long as it's just a few inches, it really looks good. Shorten the rear too much it starts looking like an Australian Valiant Charger...lol
Remember...I'm using a car that has had a lot of work done already and isn't exactly a cream puff. The car can always be put back original later if one of the future owners so chooses.
I'm looking forward to getting my new 6.4 hemi. Should be here Monday. I already have a 5.7 hemi that I'll probably use in one of my 71 Cudas later on. I just didn't feel like the 5.7 was appropriate for this project. This ride needed more muscle.
The finished product of the Challenger tail conversion here....
http://www.dodgecharger.com/forum/index.php?topic=85486.275
(http://www.acetra.net/punishment/tat3.jpg)
Quote from: hotrod98 on May 02, 2013, 06:25:50 PM
Quote from: Dave Kanofsky on May 02, 2013, 04:10:16 PM
That sounds very cool...Might I suggest late model CHARGER taillights?
Here's what I was thinking of doing. Challenger taillights. They fit perfectly. With a little modification to the tail panel of course.
interesting idea :yesnod: while not a fan other than a stock charger body etc , those challenger tail lights look real good :drool5: :yesnod: :2thumbs: :popcrn:
I plan to mount a high mounted taillight as well. The number one reason that so many of the old musclecars are being rear ended is because people are used to seeing bright taillights and high mounted taillights. Those old dim taillights just aren't cutting it anymore.
Back when they started building cars with the antilock brakes and hmtl's, fender bender accidents were reduced by over 50%. I was an insurance adjustor at that time and my number of new claims dropped dramatically.
Quote from: hotrod98 on May 03, 2013, 09:58:17 AM
I plan to mount a high mounted taillight as well. The number one reason that so many of the old musclecars are being rear ended is because people are used to seeing bright taillights and high mounted taillights. Those old dim taillights just aren't cutting it anymore.
Back when they started building cars with the antilock brakes and hmtl's, fender bender accidents were reduced by over 50%. I was an insurance adjustor at that time and my number of new claims dropped dramatically.
I never thought about it!!!! THAT IS AN AWESOME IDEA !!!!!!! IF my car ever drives down the road it WILL have one.
thank you,charlie
Looks great, did you ever think about making them the sequential tail lights like in the old cougars? Yes I know, Mercury idea in a Mopar may not go over with some, but they do look cool from behind.
Quote from: r4daytona on May 03, 2013, 01:34:37 PM
Looks great, did you ever think about making them the sequential tail lights like in the old cougars? Yes I know, Mercury idea in a Mopar may not go over with some, but they do look cool from behind.
I purchased a sequential kit for my 2009 Challenger. Looks cool, especially at night. Would probably do that on the clone as well.
The late model Chally taillights look great! I've often thought of a third brakelight flush mounted center in the top wing....if it was done right it wouldn't be visible so much ' till you hit the brakes - just an idea.
Quote from: DonC1 on May 03, 2013, 02:18:42 PM
I've often thought of a third brakelight flush mounted center in the top wing....if it was done right it wouldn't be visible so much ' till you hit the brakes - just an idea.
That's a great idea ! :2thumbs:
I wonder if there's a thin panel light you could mount that could be triggered remotely when the rear brakes are activated.
I plan on running a LED style brake light along the top back edge of my wing that way all the blind people will see me for sure............ :lol: :smilielol: JK
I wonder where the best placement would be for a hmtl on a Daytona. Hadn't thought about whether the wing would obstruct it if it were at the top of the back glass. May have to put one at the bottom of the back glass. My glass will be mounted in flush with no trim moldings. I could black out around a third brake light to prevent reflection just like some late model cars.
I've been giving a lot of thought as to how to "plain jane" the interior. I'm thinking about just using a dash frame and welding everything up on it. Then making an aluminum plate for the gauges. Kind of a cross between a sheet metal racecar dash and a stock dash.
Lots of ideas at this point.
For a custom look instead of just a bolt on look, how about flushing the 3rd brake light into the decklid? It doesn't mess with the wing or interrupt the interior any. There's plenty of room on a Charger decklid to mount a LED strip.
Quote from: stroker400 wedge on May 03, 2013, 04:24:40 PM
For a custom look instead of just a bolt on look, how about flushing the 3rd brake light into the decklid? It doesn't mess with the wing or interrupt the interior any. There's plenty of room on a Charger decklid to mount a LED strip.
I actually thought of that earlier today. I'm already altering the deck lid for the Daytona conversion of course and I'm moving the striker further in to clear the new Challenger taillights so altering the lip won't be a big deal.
Cant the new Charger tail lights work? The challenger route has already been done.
Quote from: Patronus on May 03, 2013, 10:13:36 PM
Cant the new Charger tail lights work? The challenger route has already been done.
The Challenger taillights fit much better and the Charger taillights are having problems with the LED's burning out prematurely. And, the Charger taillights are about $400 more than the Challenger taillights.
The Challenger taillights have the word DODGE on the reverse lamp which is kinda cool.
Quote from: r4daytona on May 03, 2013, 01:34:37 PM
Looks great, did you ever think about making them the sequential tail lights like in the old cougars? Yes I know, Mercury idea in a Mopar may not go over with some, but they do look cool from behind.
The 69 Imperial had them. This guys 3rd outer bulbs are not working.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0dTocPXlv-4
Quote from: r4daytona on May 03, 2013, 01:34:37 PM
Looks great, did you ever think about making them the sequential tail lights like in the old cougars? Yes I know, Mercury idea in a Mopar may not go over with some, but they do look cool from behind.
http://www.webelectricproducts.com/
STS-1 Sequential Turn Signals, $69 ..........
- For cars with 3 lamps on each sideBryan
This past year me and a couple of my friends bought six speed RT Challengers. I decided to buy a set of the sequential kits from Web Electric that were made specifically for the Challengers Of course, the other guys had to have them for their Challengers so I ended up installing two more sets. They work great but every great once in a while they start flashing very fast. The next time you use your turn signal they start working correctly. Very strange.
I'll probably rob the set out of my Challenger to test in the Daytona clone.
like this
That's cool. Maybe a little too extreme for my plans though...lol
that pro daytona was out of St Louis I heard and the owner shot me an email a while back. Not sure where it is now. Has a blown injected 392 in it. Got the magazine article at home.
This sounds pretty neat but if it were me, i would hunt down whoever made the f&f daytona fiberglass nose, and get one of them instead of cutting up an original, But i like your idea :popcrn: looking forward to it :2thumbs:
I have a fiberglass Superbird nose that Donc made for me a few years ago. It would actually look more like the F&F nose. I still might consider using it. But, I really want it to look more like a Daytona front end and my buddy has a steel nascar nose that a friend of his made a few years ago. I don't have a problem cutting it up. Besides, it would be much easier to mount the custom headlamp mounts in a steel nose. I'm not trying to copy the F&F Daytona entirely. Just using the mods that I like.
Some of the mods on the F&F are strictly movie prop type mods. I have a pic of the interior of the car and the mufflers are in the back floor where the passengers normally sit. I bet that would be a little loud.
My 392 hemi showed up today. One step closer.
Quote from: hotrod98 on May 07, 2013, 04:51:01 PM
I have a fiberglass Superbird nose that Donc made for me a few years ago. It would actually look more like the F&F nose. I still might consider using it. But, I really want it to look more like a Daytona front end and my buddy has a steel nascar nose that a friend of his made a few years ago. I don't have a problem cutting it up. Besides, it would be much easier to mount the custom headlamp mounts in a steel nose. I'm not trying to copy the F&F Daytona entirely. Just using the mods that I like.
Some of the mods on the F&F are strictly movie prop type mods. I have a pic of the interior of the car and the mufflers are in the back floor where the passengers normally sit. I bet that would be a little loud.
My 392 hemi showed up today. One step closer.
larry your my hero
Mufflers in the back seat? :scratchchin: theres an idea
At the Rhinebeck car show this past Sunday I saw an old car that mounted a 3rd brake light in the rear window with suction cups. I thought it was a good idea but didn't bother getting a closer look to see how the wiring was set up. After searching online I see there are a few examples floating around.....
Quote from: BigBlockSam on May 06, 2013, 10:28:38 AM
like this
I loved that car - saw it at the Nat's many years ago.
:2thumbs: :2thumbs: :2thumbs:
Quote from: Old Moparz on May 08, 2013, 07:03:58 AM
At the Rhinebeck car show this past Sunday I saw an old car that mounted a 3rd brake light in the rear window with suction cups. I thought it was a good idea but didn't bother getting a closer look to see how the wiring was set up. After searching online I see there are a few examples floating around.....
Hey Bob, which car was it?
I was at the Rhinebeck show on Sunday .
Quote from: WINGIN IT on May 08, 2013, 10:19:37 AM
Quote from: Old Moparz on May 08, 2013, 07:03:58 AM
At the Rhinebeck car show this past Sunday I saw an old car that mounted a 3rd brake light in the rear window with suction cups. I thought it was a good idea but didn't bother getting a closer look to see how the wiring was set up. After searching online I see there are a few examples floating around.....
Hey Bob, which car was it?
I was at the Rhinebeck show on Sunday .
I don't know, I just happen to notice the brake light as I walked past the car. I think it was an older car in the car corral area. It was running & the guy had his foot on the brake. :shruggy:
The thing is...I think that a great many of the rear end type accidents could be avoided with something as simple as a bright high mounted taillight. Those old factory taillights are very dim and people tend to look at the upper part of the car in front of them as they drive behind them. A few years ago I had a friend buy an all original, low mileage 73 Cuda. He let his son drive it to school every day and that lasted about two weeks. A young girl rear ended the car and destroyed it. What a waste. She said she didn't see his brake lights come on.
There was a red pro touring 72 Cuda at Monster Mopar a few years ago and he had a third light integrated into the roof just above the back glass. Looked very good. I plan to do that to my 71 Cuda.
Quote from: hotrod98 on May 08, 2013, 12:22:11 PM
The thing is...I think that a great many of the rear end type accidents could be avoided with something as simple as a bright high mounted taillight. Those old factory taillights are very dim and people tend to look at the upper part of the car in front of them as they drive behind them. A few years ago I had a friend buy an all original, low mileage 73 Cuda. He let his son drive it to school every day and that lasted about two weeks. A young girl rear ended the car and destroyed it. What a waste. She said she didn't see his brake lights come on.
There was a red pro touring 72 Cuda at Monster Mopar a few years ago and he had a third light integrated into the roof just above the back glass. Looked very good. I plan to do that to my 71 Cuda.
this one has a blinding LED strip across the top of the the roof line and also across the deck lid back lip
when driving around branson at night you could see the damn annoying thing for miles when he braked .
Some of the newer vehicles have the 3rd brake light incorporated into the rear spoiler that's very narrow. The housing is almost invisible since it's blended into the rear edge. On a dark colored vehicle it even harder to see until it lights up. The horizontal portion of the Daytona or Superbird wing is pretty narrow, but I can't help but wonder if there is an existing brake light housing somewhere that could be grafted into it. I sure wouldn't do it to an original wing, but an aftermarket one would be a good candidate.
Maybe the next wing that Dane gets cast at the foundry will have a pocket cast into it for a brake light housing. :D
This pic says it's a Hummer 3 light. :shruggy:
http://www.britishv8.org/mg/mikecook.htm
dont mean to hijack your thread but if you want 15 meters of led strip lights that can be cut every 3rd light go to www.usautolights.com I pay 30 for a 15 meter strip. they have a self adhesive backing and are weatherproof. Tons of uses for them. stick them behind your bumper and when you hit the brakes the whole back of your car will light up. Got mine at SEMA show last year, they also sell 1157 and 1156 led bulbs cheap.
I've had the car for just over a week and I'm just now getting around to taking it off of the trailer. I've been ordering parts for the project all week. I was very glad to see that Dane was making another batch of wings. My deposit is already in the mail.
I've gone over the car to kind of get a game plan together. I'm going to remove the new full quarters that have only been welded in a few places. The previous owner installed new outer wheelhouses but the inners aren't all that great. I ordered new inners from AMD earlier this week and they're already here. I'll alter them and go ahead and mini tub the car while I have everything apart. I'll post a few pics as soon as I can get the time to get the car inside and on a fixture. I also ordered a new tail panel. I'll alter it to receive the new Challenger taillights. Pics later on that as well. I'll order a set of U.S. Body frame connectors and hope to get the Alterkation stuff ordered in the near future.
I've made my decision on the transmission. I have a fresh 727 that has a street/strip valve body and I have a new TCI street fighter convertor. I'll add my Gear Vendors overdrive and use a Hurst Pro Matic shifter. I'll change out the shifter handle for a shortened E-Body handle and use my GVO pistol grips with the built in button to use overdrive. I'll build a custom console or possibly order a new body style Charger console. I want an arm rest and cupholders...lol
I've owned several manual transmission cars and currently have my 4 speed bird and my 2009 six speed Challenger so I won't miss clutching and shifting one little bit.
Still no decision on the color but I'm leaning towards black on black on black. Black glossy paint, satin black Hemi hood decals, satin black wing and rear stripe, black Sparco R505 seats, black Sparco steering wheel, black Sparco street harnesses, silver Autometer gauges, Classic A/C, Electric Life power windows and locks, shaved handles, painted 70 style e-body mirrors and lots more modifications.
I plan to narrow the rear bumper and tuck it in tight to the body. I won't need the reverse lamps in the rear valance since the Challenger taillights already have a reverse lamp.
Meanwhile, I'm ordering the parts that I need to get started. I've learned to not order everything up front because then you have to store the stuff. keep it from getting lost or damaged and remember what all you ordered already.
I have to mention that last night I was in my garage and started looking at my Superbird. For a minute, I started thinking about pulling the six pack motor out and sticking the 6.4 Liter in and be done with my project. Then the idea faded away as quick as it came.
Here's another pic of the car right before unloading it and a pic of the pistol grips with the GVO button.
QuoteI've had the car for just over a week and I'm just now getting around to taking it off of the trailer. I've been ordering parts for the project all week. I was very glad to see that Dane was making another batch of wings. My deposit is already in the mail.
I've gone over the car to kind of get a game plan together. I'm going to remove the new full quarters that have only been welded in a few places. The previous owner installed new outer wheelhouses but the inners aren't all that great. I ordered new inners from AMD earlier this week and they're already here. I'll alter them and go ahead and mini tub the car while I have everything apart. I'll post a few pics as soon as I can get the time to get the car inside and on a fixture. I also ordered a new tail panel. I'll alter it to receive the new Challenger taillights. Pics later on that as well. I'll order a set of U.S. Body frame connectors and hope to get the Alterkation stuff ordered in the near future.
I've made my decision on the transmission. I have a fresh 727 that has a street/strip valve body and I have a new TCI street fighter convertor. I'll add my Gear Vendors overdrive and use a Hurst Pro Matic shifter. I'll change out the shifter handle for a shortened E-Body handle and use my GVO pistol grips with the built in button to use overdrive. I'll build a custom console or possibly order a new body style Charger console. I want an arm rest and cupholders...lol
I've owned several manual transmission cars and currently have my 4 speed bird and my 2009 six speed Challenger so I won't miss clutching and shifting one little bit.
Still no decision on the color but I'm leaning towards black on black on black. Black glossy paint, satin black Hemi hood decals, satin black wing and rear stripe, black Sparco R505 seats, black Sparco steering wheel, black Sparco street harnesses, silver Autometer gauges, Classic A/C, Electric Life power windows and locks, shaved handles, painted 70 style e-body mirrors and lots more modifications.
I plan to narrow the rear bumper and tuck it in tight to the body. I won't need the reverse lamps in the rear valance since the Challenger taillights already have a reverse lamp.
Meanwhile, I'm ordering the parts that I need to get started. I've learned to not order everything up front because then you have to store the stuff. keep it from getting lost or damaged and remember what all you ordered already.
I have to mention that last night I was in my garage and started looking at my Superbird. For a minute, I started thinking about pulling the six pack motor out and sticking the 6.4 Liter in and be done with my project. Then the idea faded away as quick as it came.
Here's another pic of the car right before unloading it and a pic of the pistol grips with the GVO button.
it's sounds kick ass. just don't sell it when it's almost finished like the last one :slap:
Quote from: BigBlockSam on May 11, 2013, 05:22:22 PM
QuoteI've had the car for just over a week and I'm just now getting around to taking it off of the trailer. I've been ordering parts for the project all week. I was very glad to see that Dane was making another batch of wings. My deposit is already in the mail.
I've gone over the car to kind of get a game plan together. I'm going to remove the new full quarters that have only been welded in a few places. The previous owner installed new outer wheelhouses but the inners aren't all that great. I ordered new inners from AMD earlier this week and they're already here. I'll alter them and go ahead and mini tub the car while I have everything apart. I'll post a few pics as soon as I can get the time to get the car inside and on a fixture. I also ordered a new tail panel. I'll alter it to receive the new Challenger taillights. Pics later on that as well. I'll order a set of U.S. Body frame connectors and hope to get the Alterkation stuff ordered in the near future.
I've made my decision on the transmission. I have a fresh 727 that has a street/strip valve body and I have a new TCI street fighter convertor. I'll add my Gear Vendors overdrive and use a Hurst Pro Matic shifter. I'll change out the shifter handle for a shortened E-Body handle and use my GVO pistol grips with the built in button to use overdrive. I'll build a custom console or possibly order a new body style Charger console. I want an arm rest and cupholders...lol
I've owned several manual transmission cars and currently have my 4 speed bird and my 2009 six speed Challenger so I won't miss clutching and shifting one little bit.
Still no decision on the color but I'm leaning towards black on black on black. Black glossy paint, satin black Hemi hood decals, satin black wing and rear stripe, black Sparco R505 seats, black Sparco steering wheel, black Sparco street harnesses, silver Autometer gauges, Classic A/C, Electric Life power windows and locks, shaved handles, painted 70 style e-body mirrors and lots more modifications.
I plan to narrow the rear bumper and tuck it in tight to the body. I won't need the reverse lamps in the rear valance since the Challenger taillights already have a reverse lamp.
Meanwhile, I'm ordering the parts that I need to get started. I've learned to not order everything up front because then you have to store the stuff. keep it from getting lost or damaged and remember what all you ordered already.
I have to mention that last night I was in my garage and started looking at my Superbird. For a minute, I started thinking about pulling the six pack motor out and sticking the 6.4 Liter in and be done with my project. Then the idea faded away as quick as it came.
Here's another pic of the car right before unloading it and a pic of the pistol grips with the GVO button.
it's sounds kick ass. just don't sell it when it's almost finished like the last one :slap:
I didn't want to sell it but it was the only way that I could have enough cash to buy my Superbird.
Im glad you did!!
Quote from: 41husk on May 13, 2013, 11:14:08 AM
Im glad you did!!
:2thumbs: :2thumbs: :2thumbs: :D :D :D :D :D
Quote from: 41husk on May 13, 2013, 11:14:08 AM
Im glad you did!!
It means a lot to me that you have enjoyed the Daytona clone. When I was building it, it never crossed my mind that I would end up selling it even before I had completely finished it. It was bitter seet finishing the car after the sale had been made.
I'm hoping that this new project will take away some of the seller's remorse that I have from selling it. Maybe. ;D
Quote from: Howie on May 07, 2013, 11:41:26 AM
that pro daytona was out of St Louis I heard and the owner shot me an email a while back. Not sure where it is now. Has a blown injected 392 in it. Got the magazine article at home.
I saw that daytona at the nats it was Wally Edlers
392 thats what was in it
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http://www.streetmachinereunion.com/builders/wally-elder/
Anymore progress Larry? Get ta postin'!!!! :icon_smile_big:
I've been ordering parts and making plans. I'm waiting on a spot to open up in my shop. My storage building is full and I have no place to move my 71 Cuda drag car to. The spot where the cuda is at the moment is my spot that I reserve for myself and that's where the Daytona clone will go. The cuda needs to come off of the fixture so that the charger can go on. I'm going to remove the quarter panels that are tacked on and replace the inner wheelhouses. The previous owner installed outers but left the inners alone and they have patches. I don't like patches. I'll widen the inner wheelhouses slightly when I install them. Looks like the wing won't be ready for another three months or so and Howie is going to bring the steel nose when he brings his barracuda down in a week or so.
I did end up finding some better doors for the clone. The latches openings were stress cracked severely and that's a difficult area to repair.
I may have ran into a problem trying to use the 727. The 6.4's don't have a cable of any type to use to make the kickdown work. I may just go ahead and spend the cash to get a five or six speed setup after all. The drive by wire setups cause issues when trying to blend old school and new school.
Here's a pic of the fixture where I need to put my clone project to start working on it.
Yep, only way those guy's with the new Hemi's get the 727 to work is in a carb application. You getting a Hotwireauto harness?
my buddy matt is running a 5.7 injected with a 727 tranny
Quote from: Indygenerallee on May 23, 2013, 08:43:17 PM
Yep, only way those guy's with the new Hemi's get the 727 to work is in a carb application. You getting a Hotwireauto harness?
An acquaintance of mine, Tony Squire, owns Hotwire. They're south of here in Mena, Arkansas. I talked to Chris and he said that they would alter the harness that came with my 6.4 and send the ECM to someone to have it reprogrammed. They don't do much with the 6.4's.
The 6.4 is totally different from the 5.7 and the 6.1.
I don't want to use carbs. That would sort of defeat the purpose of buying the 6.4. I have a new 5.7 that I could have used but really wanted something with much more horsepower.
I'll probably put 6.1 heads on the 5.7 and use a six pack modman intake with a set of 340 six pack carbs that I have. That setup will eventually go into one of my cudas.
you can hook the trans cable, i.e. lokar cable to the accelerator pedal to control the trans! just gotta do a little engineering.
Quote from: cdr on May 23, 2013, 10:40:12 PM
you can hook the trans cable, i.e. lokar cable to the accelerator pedal to control the trans! just gotta do a little engineering.
:yesnod: :yesnod: :yesnod: :yesnod: yup here is what my buddy did
I used a lo-kar (?) kick down cable. I attached the one end to the kick down lever on the tranny with the supplied bracket. Ran the other end inside and attached it to the gas peddle. I know, sounds strange, but that was under the advice of Street & Performance. It works. Not so well on the first try, but after another little more aggressive adjustment, it works fine now.
To be more specific, on the gas peddle there is a black plastic plug that fills the hole up where the head of the gas peddle cable fits through then slides down into it's slot. Pull that plug, run the kick down cable through that hole and put the set screw thing in place. I had set the tension on the cable according to the directions, but I wasn't getting kick down. The last adjustment that made it want to down shift right seemed to have more tension or pre-load on that cable.
Quote from: moparstuart on May 24, 2013, 06:07:06 AM
Quote from: cdr on May 23, 2013, 10:40:12 PM
you can hook the trans cable, i.e. lokar cable to the accelerator pedal to control the trans! just gotta do a little engineering.
:yesnod: :yesnod: :yesnod: :yesnod: yup here is what my buddy did
I used a lo-kar (?) kick down cable. I attached the one end to the kick down lever on the tranny with the supplied bracket. Ran the other end inside and attached it to the gas peddle. I know, sounds strange, but that was under the advice of Street & Performance. It works. Not so well on the first try, but after another little more aggressive adjustment, it works fine now.
To be more specific, on the gas peddle there is a black plastic plug that fills the hole up where the head of the gas peddle cable fits through then slides down into it's slot. Pull that plug, run the kick down cable through that hole and put the set screw thing in place. I had set the tension on the cable according to the directions, but I wasn't getting kick down. The last adjustment that made it want to down shift right seemed to have more tension or pre-load on that cable.
That is very clever.
That is a pretty slick method!! Guess there is always another way to skin a cat.
But the 6.4 hemi doesn't use a mechanical style gas pedal. It uses an electronic potentiometer style pedal. You can't hook anything to that type of pedal.
What you can do though is hook a dummy kickdown cable up to the tranny to adjust it to where the tranny will shift properly. It just won't down shift.
Larry, my 5.7 Hemi also uses the electronic drive by wire pedal, I figured the 6.4 would have the same setup as a 5.7 and 6.1, Dodge used the same pedal on the Cummins as well.
With all this techno BS, one would think it would have been assumed one would have come up with some sort of Variable Mech/electrical hybrid solenoid to opperate the kickdown using the DBW harness/computer. I do this with a solenoid using a remote starter on Christine to rev the rear carb. Ok, I laid out the basics, one of you Electronics/Mechanical engineer Guru's come up with the rest....Your welcome.
Howie brought my steel nose down this past weekend for my Daytona project. Seems like a shame to cut it up for my shortened version of a Daytona. Looking forward to mocking it up in the near future.
Here's the shortened version of mine
Bryan
Will you be shortening just the nose or taking the larger piece out of the fenders? Also will you be lowering the wing like they did on the Fast and Furious deal?
Looks nice Larry!!! :2thumbs:
383 wing is that on a fait or scion platform.lol???
why cut the nose cant ya take 4-8 inch out of the way too long 70 fenders??? i like a shorter nose look from the direct side view. but i cant see ya ganing much by cutting the nose an may ruin the look??? :Twocents: :shruggy: :popcrn: :popcrn:
Quote from: Stevearino on June 14, 2013, 06:43:34 PM
Will you be shortening just the nose or taking the larger piece out of the fenders? Also will you be lowering the wing like they did on the Fast and Furious deal?
There will be almost a foot taken out of the fenders and a few inches taken out of the nose. I think I'll leave the wing alone. Dane's wings are just too nice to start chopping up.
Quote from: hotrod98 on June 15, 2013, 02:32:26 PM
Quote from: Stevearino on June 14, 2013, 06:43:34 PM
Will you be shortening just the nose or taking the larger piece out of the fenders? Also will you be lowering the wing like they did on the Fast and Furious deal?
There will be almost a foot taken out of the fenders and a few inches taken out of the nose. I think I'll leave the wing alone. Dane's wings are just too nice to start chopping up.
:2thumbs: :2thumbs: :2thumbs:
Bryan - Love the "Smartona"!!
Quote from: Lighthorseman on June 15, 2013, 09:27:28 PM
Bryan - Love the "Smartona"!!
I got the rest of our cars done that way as well...both 66's, the Pontiac, even the little dart we had, the Dakota, & the wife's PT Cruiser
Bryan
IMHO the rear wing on the F&F movie car Daytona was perfect.
The front nose was a bit too high/short. Maybe they took a bit too much out of the fenders (but only a bit). IMHO they should have mounted the nose a little lower in relation to the rest of the front clip.
Lowering the whole front end (changing the ride height/stance, not reshaping the body) farther would have looked great on those F&F Daytonas. But it would have caused dangerous ground clearance problems. The old NASCAR race teams got that stance by hacking their unibodies to shreds.
We plan to make a copy of the nose from card stock first and then play around with it to decided how much to remove from the fenders. It's easy to remove sheet metal. Not so easy to put it back on.
Yeah that's the smart way. Cut cardboard first, then metal.
IMHO it may help to spray paint the cardboard mock-up stuff to match the rest of the car, depending on the situation. A big color difference can make things appear different than they look when everything is similar shades.
I'm also a big fan of photoshopping stuff to experiment too. Although it has limitations. It can be deceptive if you only use one pic from one angle to experiment with. Stuff can look a bit different in person compared to a small flat 2D image.
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As for the nose - When you take a section out of the fenders and then try to mate the stock Daytona nose back onto it, something has to give. If the top surface of the nose stays fitting correctly with the tops of the fenders and the hood, then the bottom of the nose has to be too high up to fit the bottoms of the fenders. Thus, the nosecone ends up riding slightly higher off the ground than stock overall.
I think the F&F Daytona's front end was done that way. IMHO they should have pie-cut the sides of the fenders and tapered the top surface of the fenders down a little bit to put the nose back near the stock height. This operation also demands lowering the leading edge of the hood, which probably means lowering the upper radiator support a bit . . . custom bodywork gets involved pretty fast.
One problem that I will have in shortening the fenders is the fact that the nose will need to be taller. I also have to decide whether to keep the original shape of the front hood edge or make it straight across when I shorten it. There won't be much room for a latch tray either. Gonna be interesting.
Also moving the nose back means mounting it at a point where the fenders are wider side to side. The nose may have to be split and widened or the fenders sectioned and narrowed. Modifying a model car might be a cheap way to visualize the concept. They are accurate enough to give you a sense of some of the problems.
Quote from: Stevearino on June 17, 2013, 05:10:18 AM
Also moving the nose back means mounting it at a point where the fenders are wider side to side. The nose may have to be split and widened or the fenders sectioned and narrowed. Modifying a model car might be a cheap way to visualize the concept. They are accurate enough to give you a sense of some of the problems.
always the model builder :icon_smile_big:
The steel nose that I have was built wider than an original nose to begin with and was going to require major modification to fit the stock fenders. That and the non correct headlamp openings were the reasons that we didn't use this piece on Howie's clone. Will be perfect for this project since it was going to have to be cut and modified no matter what it was used on.
Whatever you do, I suspect you will find that in general, modifying the fenders/hood to taper down to fit the nose will look better than enlarging the nose in every direction necessary to fit the fenders/hood.
As for the rad support, I wouldn't blame you for not wanting to lower it. (Unibody mods, radiator fitment problems, etc.) I dunno, maybe the under-bracing of the hood could be removed in that area to gain enough clearance for the hood to taper down adequately. The hood & fenders are already gonna be pretty hacked-up before this thing is finished anyway.
Probably why they used a Superbird nose on the F and F car. They look larger top to bottom where they connect to the fenders. May be bigger over all. Just guessing.
Tapering the fenders might be an option. I'm not too worried about hacking on nice parts. You should see some of the cars that we've built over the years. We built a very nice 67 Mustang Shelby pro touring clone a few years ago that was all metal...no fiberglass. And it was all black.
There won't be any plastic or fiberglass on this build either. All metal.
Howdy Hotrod wondering if ya were still planning this daytona project?? sounds like it wood bee a interesting custom daytona ride. like the shorten nose and custom mods.
have waited to post on this.read the sad news and very sorry bout your wife,now she can bee at peace. pray you have lots of time with family and friends and memories of the great times with wife an family. all my best wishes and prayes. find some stuff to stay busy and bring enjoymant too you. take care and god bless.
saw ya post bout 70 rr and maybee look for a daytona ,goood luck on all..DJ :2thumbs:
I just received my new Daytona wing from Dane this past week. Hope to start on the Daytona project soon. I have a steel nose and now all I really need is a set of the steel fender scoops.
I've been trying to stay busy since Sandra passed away. Helps to keep my mind off of the whole sad ordeal. Between the dragracing and riding my RZR's, I do tend to stay pretty busy.
Recently, I've purchased a lil red express matching numbers truck and a 70 B5 blue Roadrunner with blue interior, matching numbers car. And, I still haven't finished my 71 Cuda drag car. So I have a few shop projects to keep me occupied. I would love to find a great deal on a restorable Daytona but I'm not holding my breath...lol
My plan is to work on my cars that I plan to keep for myself and let the guys concentrate on building my cars that I plan to sell. That way we can build them and take them to the larger auctions. We are going to pretty much stop the resto work for customers. Just too time consuming. We have several contracts with companies around here to repair their company vehicles and that's where the real money is. This way I can use my cars as filler work.
i think you should try to make a reality show from your shop. look at fast and load . there making lotsa money
My project Daytona is truly a work in process. I just picked up a great deal on a fresh 425 HP 426 hemi crate motor with a dual quad intake and Keith Black aluminum valve covers. I also picked up a hemi k member, a fresh 727 with all of the heavy duty internals and 426 original kick down linkage. In the deal, I also got all of the little pieces necessary to install the engine including the correct mounts, linkage, throttle springs, date coded plug wires coil, hoses, clamps and all of the bolts as well as a new engine harness for electronic ignition. This stuff was part of a bank foreclosure so it was bought right.
I already have a new Gear Vendors overdrive so all I need now is a dana rear end. Probably buy a new strange unit since most of the originals are pretty much worn out anyway.
I'll save my new 6.4 liter 392 for my 71 Cuda.
Here's a pic from one of the video games that I found online. Pretty much looks exactly like the car that I'm building. It has the Daytona style nose, the vent glasses and a regular Daytona wing.
:drool5: :drool5: :drool5: :drool5: :drool5:
I wanna go for a ride please
Sounds like real progress is about to start. Don't be stingy on the photos.We're all starving to see the results. :cheers: :cheers: :cheers:
Forgot to mention that I'm going to use FAST dual throttle body EFI with an in tank pump, MSD ignition and a wet sump oiling system. I'm trying to make the hemi as reliable and as drivable as possible. I've had carbureted hemis before. Never again.
Plan is to use an oval air cleaner instead of the chrome dome.
Paint will be PMP Ox Blood Pearl. Undecided on wing color.
Still undecided on brakes and rims. Probably Brembo brakes.
I won't be removing the vent glass assemblies. Too much fab work to use full door glass. Besides, on nice days I love to open the vent windows up to get a nice breeze.
I won't be shaving the door handles. I hate door poppers. I plan to run the exhaust out the quarters but want to try to have the mufflers under the car with just the exhaust pipe running inside the car with a steel box and heavy insulation for both heat and noise. This plan is subject to change. More thought needed on this one.
The cage will be built with the halo and front down bars. No back seat. Sparco R505 front seats. Three point harnesses with the single shoulder belt. Much easier getting in and out.
Stock dash with modifications including Autometer gauges. Classic Auto A/C. Power windows. I'll delete the upper door trims completely and make them look like the Coronet doors and inner upper quarters. Interior will be a blend of stock and race.
Since I'm going with the 727 auto, I'm thinking that I'll use a B&M Magnum Grip Street Bandit Shifter.
Enough thinking for now. Hope to have room in the shop to start on this project very soon.
Many pics will follow.
Quote from: hotrod98 on September 12, 2013, 09:35:28 PM
Forgot to mention that I'm going to use FAST dual throttle body EFI with an in tank pump, MSD ignition and a wet sump oiling system. I'm trying to make the hemi as reliable and as drivable as possible. I've had carbureted hemis before. Never again.
Plan is to use an oval air cleaner instead of the chrome dome.
Paint will be PMP Ox Blood Pearl. Undecided on wing color.
Still undecided on brakes and rims. Probably Brembo brakes.
I won't be removing the vent glass assemblies. Too much fab work to use full door glass. Besides, on nice days I love to open the vent windows up to get a nice breeze.
I won't be shaving the door handles. I hate door poppers. I plan to run the exhaust out the quarters but want to try to have the mufflers under the car with just the exhaust pipe running inside the car with a steel box and heavy insulation for both heat and noise. This plan is subject to change. More thought needed on this one.
The cage will be built with the halo and front down bars. No back seat. Sparco R505 front seats. Three point harnesses with the single shoulder belt. Much easier getting in and out.
Stock dash with modifications including Autometer gauges. Classic Auto A/C. Power windows. I'll delete the upper door trims completely and make them look like the Coronet doors and inner upper quarters. Interior will be a blend of stock and race.
Since I'm going with the 727 auto, I'm thinking that I'll use a B&M Magnum Grip Street Bandit Shifter.
Enough thinking for now. Hope to have room in the shop to start on this project very soon.
Many pics will follow.
Larry Bells Black bird hemi vert has the dual TB EFI set up
Stu, That is very similar to what I have planned. I hope he's been happy with the EFI setup.
I'm taking the engine to Jim Lewis next week. He's a hemi expert. He started out working for Jim Hale building his race motors. He's going to totally disassemble it and check everything from top to bottom. I don't trust Mopar Performance crate motors. Anyone that buys one should have a good machine shop check the clearances, etc. Jim will check it, balance it, re-assemble it and put it on the dyno. He's built street hemis for guys that have driven them for thousands of miles with no issues whatsoever.
Quote from: hotrod98 on September 12, 2013, 02:11:27 PM
My project Daytona is truly a work in process. I just picked up a great deal on a fresh 425 HP 426 hemi crate motor with a dual quad intake and Keith Black aluminum valve covers. I also picked up a hemi k member, a fresh 727 with all of the heavy duty internals and 426 original kick down linkage. In the deal, I also got all of the little pieces necessary to install the engine including the correct mounts, linkage, throttle springs, date coded plug wires coil, hoses, clamps and all of the bolts as well as a new engine harness for electronic ignition. This stuff was part of a bank foreclosure so it was bought right.
I already have a new Gear Vendors overdrive so all I need now is a dana rear end. Probably buy a new strange unit since most of the originals are pretty much worn out anyway.
I'll save my new 6.4 liter 392 for my 71 Cuda.
Here's a pic from one of the video games that I found online. Pretty much looks exactly like the car that I'm building. It has the Daytona style nose, the vent glasses and a regular Daytona wing.
Picture of the motor? - love it.
Larry, You mentioned that using full glass in the doors is too much fab work. Is this a modification you had done in the past. If so did you have to have custom glass made or what? Just curious.
Fast and furious all the way baby?..
Quote from: hotrod98 on September 12, 2013, 02:11:27 PM
My project Daytona is truly a work in process. I just picked up a great deal on a fresh 425 HP 426 hemi crate motor with a dual quad intake and Keith Black aluminum valve covers. I also picked up a hemi k member, a fresh 727 with all of the heavy duty internals and 426 original kick down linkage. In the deal, I also got all of the little pieces necessary to install the engine including the correct mounts, linkage, throttle springs, date coded plug wires coil, hoses, clamps and all of the bolts as well as a new engine harness for electronic ignition. This stuff was part of a bank foreclosure so it was bought right.
I already have a new Gear Vendors overdrive so all I need now is a dana rear end. Probably buy a new strange unit since most of the originals are pretty much worn out anyway.
I'll save my new 6.4 liter 392 for my 71 Cuda.
Here's a pic from one of the video games that I found online. Pretty much looks exactly like the car that I'm building. It has the Daytona style nose, the vent glasses and a regular Daytona wing.
Quote from: Stevearino on September 13, 2013, 03:08:24 PM
Larry, You mentioned that using full glass in the doors is too much fab work. Is this a modification you had done in the past. If so did you have to have custom glass made or what? Just curious.
I talked to a guy one time at a show about full glass application in a Charger door (getting rid of the vent window)....he told me he was using the side window from a 70-2 Chevy Chevelle 2 dr hardtop he said it was a dead nuts match for the profile/fit?...I never did check into it, or see/hear any results, but I recall him mentioning the Chevelle glass...I would assume you'd need the regulators from the GM as well IF the glass did indeed fit the roof/a pillar profile, as well as match the back qtr glass.....would be interesting to see if the glass is indeed close enough to work?
Mike
Quote from: DAY CLONA on September 13, 2013, 03:48:15 PM
Quote from: Stevearino on September 13, 2013, 03:08:24 PM
Larry, You mentioned that using full glass in the doors is too much fab work. Is this a modification you had done in the past. If so did you have to have custom glass made or what? Just curious.
I talked to a guy one time at a show about full glass application in a Charger door (getting rid of the vent window)....he told me he was using the side window from a 70-2 Chevy Chevelle 2 dr hardtop he said it was a dead nuts match for the profile/fit?...I never did check into it, or see/hear any results, but I recall him mentioning the Chevelle glass...I would assume you'd need the regulators from the GM as well IF the glass did indeed fit the roof/a pillar profile, as well as match the back qtr glass.....would be interesting to see if the glass is indeed close enough to work?
Mike
Early in my project I looked into finding an off the shelf match and believe it or not the 69 Camaro came heart breakingly close. It was an exact fit along the roof. The length and height of the glass was right . Even the curvature would accept the Charger B post chrome. But the A post angle was off by 1 1/4" at the base and trying to figure out a modification of the A post that wouldn't look stupid was a dead end. I briefly looked at a 72 Chevelle and a 73 Dart. Neither looked right.
Steve
Quote from: hotrod98 on September 12, 2013, 02:11:27 PM
My project Daytona is truly a work in process. I just picked up a great deal on a fresh 425 HP 426 hemi crate motor with a dual quad intake and Keith Black aluminum valve covers. I also picked up a hemi k member, a fresh 727 with all of the heavy duty internals and 426 original kick down linkage. In the deal, I also got all of the little pieces necessary to install the engine including the correct mounts, linkage, throttle springs, date coded plug wires coil, hoses, clamps and all of the bolts as well as a new engine harness for electronic ignition. This stuff was part of a bank foreclosure so it was bought right.
I already have a new Gear Vendors overdrive so all I need now is a dana rear end. Probably buy a new strange unit since most of the originals are pretty much worn out anyway.
I'll save my new 6.4 liter 392 for my 71 Cuda.
Here's a pic from one of the video games that I found online. Pretty much looks exactly like the car that I'm building. It has the Daytona style nose, the vent glasses and a regular Daytona wing.
:coolgleamA: :drool5: don't know why but seeing a Daytona or a third generation with a cage in it , to me looks soo right :yesnod: prolly cause of the the grandnational deal back in the day :yesnod:
Quote from: moparstuart on September 12, 2013, 09:38:46 PM
Quote from: hotrod98 on September 12, 2013, 09:35:28 PM
Forgot to mention that I'm going to use FAST dual throttle body EFI with an in tank pump, MSD ignition and a wet sump oiling system. I'm trying to make the hemi as reliable and as drivable as possible. I've had carbureted hemis before. Never again.
Plan is to use an oval air cleaner instead of the chrome dome.
Larry Bells Black bird hemi vert has the dual TB EFI set up
Here it is mocked up before I milled nearly a quarter inch off the intake to clear the hood.
(http://i701.photobucket.com/albums/ww16/CRE2004/My%20Hemi%20Pics/Pic326.jpg)
Quote from: DAY CLONA on September 13, 2013, 03:48:15 PM
Quote from: Stevearino on September 13, 2013, 03:08:24 PM
Larry, You mentioned that using full glass in the doors is too much fab work. Is this a modification you had done in the past. If so did you have to have custom glass made or what? Just curious.
I talked to a guy one time at a show about full glass application in a Charger door (getting rid of the vent window)....he told me he was using the side window from a 70-2 Chevy Chevelle 2 dr hardtop he said it was a dead nuts match for the profile/fit?...I never did check into it, or see/hear any results, but I recall him mentioning the Chevelle glass...I would assume you'd need the regulators from the GM as well IF the glass did indeed fit the roof/a pillar profile, as well as match the back qtr glass.....would be interesting to see if the glass is indeed close enough to work?
Mike
I have a pair of 69 chevelle doors in the basement. I think they're the same as 70 glass. The 68's still had the vent glass. I'll do some measuring just for grins. I have never converted a door like that before. I have converted hardtops to posts and vice versa but never tried to alter something like this.
Quote from: Hemi Runner on September 13, 2013, 06:45:19 PM
Quote from: moparstuart on September 12, 2013, 09:38:46 PM
Quote from: hotrod98 on September 12, 2013, 09:35:28 PM
Forgot to mention that I'm going to use FAST dual throttle body EFI with an in tank pump, MSD ignition and a wet sump oiling system. I'm trying to make the hemi as reliable and as drivable as possible. I've had carbureted hemis before. Never again.
Plan is to use an oval air cleaner instead of the chrome dome.
Larry Bells Black bird hemi vert has the dual TB EFI set up
Here it is mocked up before I milled nearly a quarter inch off the intake to clear the hood.
(http://i701.photobucket.com/albums/ww16/CRE2004/My%20Hemi%20Pics/Pic326.jpg)
Your intake looks slightly different than mine. Looks like there's not enough meat on mine to remove 1/4 inch. Are you happy with the EFI setup? We have EFI on my wife's cuda and we've loved it from day one.
Pics of the heads and short block.
Quote from: hotrod98 on September 13, 2013, 09:29:37 PM
Your intake looks slightly different than mine. Looks like there's not enough meat on mine to remove 1/4 inch. Are you happy with the EFI setup? We have EFI on my wife's cuda and we've loved it from day one.
The EFI setup is the way to go. To run the FAST setup that I pictured, you will need either the stageV intake (pictured) or a MP marine version as both have the spread carb spacing to accomodate the injector bodies and tubing. The stageV is my preference as it's single plane and centers over the ports well with equal length runners. My Twin Turbo car is getting the Holley Dominator EFI on a custom intake.It'll be a 16 injector setup.
(http://i701.photobucket.com/albums/ww16/CRE2004/540TurboHemi041_zpsc8c25eaf.jpg)
I noticed that with the stock intake that the carbs were going to be very close. Kind of thought that might be a problem. Where would be the best place to look for a stage V intake. I noticed that Summit carries the MP marine style but I would rather have the stage V.
I've also wondered what the best single carb 4150 intake would be for a hemi. My engine builder has convinced me to build a hemi to use in my 64 Dodge for the new class at the local drag strip. I have a new Holley Ultra 950 that I think would work perfect with that combination. I have to run a single 4150 carb, naturally aspirated, cast iron heads, any ignition, 450 c.i. limit, 3000 lbs. No electronics. Stock style suspension. I'll probably buy a Braswell carb at some point.
This one or the Indy single four barrel intake, but nothing about those rules favor a hemi in my opinion.
http://raybarton.com/parts/index.php/parts/intake-manifolds/rbre-hemi-manifolds/rbre-4150-hemi-single-plane-single-carb-manifold.html
That's a very pricey intake...lol. I already have a race prepped 440 with max wedge heads but I can't use my Indy dominator setup with it. It was in my dragster a couple of seasons ago but I dropped a valve just as I pulled into my pit space. Damaged the block but not the head thankfully. I should buy a 4150 max wedge intake and run that motor in one of my racecars. The race hemi can wait.
Quote from: hotrod98 on September 14, 2013, 08:40:52 PM
That's a very pricey intake...lol. I already have a race prepped 440 with max wedge heads but I can't use my Indy dominator setup with it. It was in my dragster a couple of seasons ago but I dropped a valve just as I pulled into my pit space. Damaged the block but not the head thankfully. I should buy a 4150 max wedge intake and run that motor in one of my racecars. The race hemi can wait.
Arruzza High Performance has the Stage V dual quad hemi intakes with the tops already milled 1/4". I think $495 sounds like a reasonable price. They also have other much needed pieces. I'll order some stuff from them next week.
for a jump in an go or long trips wood the 392 or 5.7 hemi be better than a 426 or not much difference if set up right?? think afew guys said the 5.7 was a great road engine an got good milage.
will be following an look forward to build pixs. you build some awsum mopars. :2thumbs:
Quote from: djcarguy on September 15, 2013, 06:51:42 AM
for a jump in an go or long trips wood the 392 or 5.7 hemi be better than a 426 or not much difference if set up right?? think afew guys said the 5.7 was a great road engine an got good milage.
will be following an look forward to build pixs. you build some awsum mopars. :2thumbs:
I have a new Gen III 6.4L 392 hemi that I was planning to use, but when I found this deal on the Gen II 426 setup, I decided that it would make the Daytona even more of a bada$$ ride.
This way I can save the 6.4 for my 71 Cuda project that I've been collecting parts for forever.
The very reason that I'm spending the bucks to have the engine balanced and adding the EFI and GVO is to make the Daytona drivable for long hauls. My engine builder has several hemis out there in street cars that are driven cross country regularly with no issues whatsoever. Of course I'll need one heck of a cooling system.
Quote from: hotrod98 on September 15, 2013, 04:40:17 PM
Quote from: djcarguy on September 15, 2013, 06:51:42 AM
for a jump in an go or long trips wood the 392 or 5.7 hemi be better than a 426 or not much difference if set up right?? think afew guys said the 5.7 was a great road engine an got good milage.
will be following an look forward to build pixs. you build some awsum mopars. :2thumbs:
I have a new Gen III 6.4L 392 hemi that I was planning to use, but when I found this deal on the Gen II 426 setup, I decided that it would make the Daytona even more of a bada$$ ride.
This way I can save the 6.4 for my 71 Cuda project that I've been collecting parts for forever.
The very reason that I'm spending the bucks to have the engine balanced and adding the EFI and GVO is to make the Daytona drivable for long hauls. My engine builder has several hemis out there in street cars that are driven cross country regularly with no issues whatsoever. Of course I'll need one heck of a cooling system.
the Gen II 426 Hemi is a great idea... nothing like an elephant in the engine bay... good luck... anymore recent project photos you can share with all of us here ??
I'm trying to finish up a couple of customer's cars and get my Cuda drag car in primer before pulling the Daytona project into the shop.
We painted the B5, shaker hood 71 Cuda last week so it's just about ready to leave. The owner is re-assembling the cuda in his shop.
We will be painting the 69 hemi runner in a couple of weeks and he's assembling the car in his shop. I love it when these guys assemble their own cars. The re-assembly part is tedious and time consuming.
I ordered the Fast EFI setup today and will try to order the intake and other components from Arruzza Performance tomorrow.
That blue cuda is pretty sweet. :coolgleamA:
Quote from: Stevearino on September 17, 2013, 04:58:17 AM
That blue cuda is pretty sweet. :coolgleamA:
i prefer the two 70 plymouths in the back ground :icon_smile_big:
Quote from: moparstuart on September 17, 2013, 08:14:10 AM
Quote from: Stevearino on September 17, 2013, 04:58:17 AM
That blue cuda is pretty sweet. :coolgleamA:
i prefer the two 70 plymouths in the back ground :icon_smile_big:
The 70 runner on the right is my red post car that I sold to one of my employees earlier this year. He's building a pro touring car. It has a 440, with 4 speed and dana rear.
The one on the left is a B5 blue with B5 interior, 70 Runner, matching numbers 383 auto that I bought a few weeks ago. Rust free, bucket seat, floor shift auto. It will eventually go to auction once we've finished it.
I ordered my Stage V intake today from John at Arruzza High Performance. Vey nice guy to talk to and extremely knowledgeable when it comes to making power with 426 hemis.
Larry,
I don't know if you have seen this yet. With your extensive contacts you probably have but I thought I would send you this link just in case. You talked about using a Challenger tail light for your new project but it looks as if someone has produced a pretty sweet aftermarket tail light similar to the Challenger but fit up exactly to the Gen 2 Charger tail panel.http://www.detroitspeed.com/Projects/moe-1969-charger/moe-1969-charger-pg-1.html
In case this link doesn't work just go to the website and look for the Charger under their projects.
Enjoy
Steve
I was reading through your posts' as fast as I could & 2nd one from the end you bought one. ;)
I got all my stuff (Stage V intake, baseplate, lid, carbs) from Tim @ FHO.
Quote from: Stevearino on September 26, 2013, 06:57:31 PM
Larry,
I don't know if you have seen this yet. With your extensive contacts you probably have but I thought I would send you this link just in case. You talked about using a Challenger tail light for your new project but it looks as if someone has produced a pretty sweet aftermarket tail light similar to the Challenger but fit up exactly to the Gen 2 Charger tail panel.http://www.detroitspeed.com/Projects/moe-1969-charger/moe-1969-charger-pg-1.html
In case this link doesn't work just go to the website and look for the Charger under their projects.
Enjoy
Steve
Any idea who is making that taillight? I couldn't find a manufacturer listed on DSE's website.
Quote from: 472 R/T SE on September 26, 2013, 08:12:43 PM
I was reading through your posts' as fast as I could & 2nd one from the end you bought one. ;)
I got all my stuff (Stage V intake, baseplate, lid, carbs) from Tim @ FHO.
The only intake that I found on their website was an MP version. John at Arruzza made me a great deal on a stage V intake and it's already milled to clear the hood.
Knowing DSE, they probably made it themselves.
Larry,
I don't know who makes the tail light but I put a call in to them late today and hopefully they will get back to me with some information.
Steve
i sure like this new lite the best. i hate the challenger one with that giant ugly back up lite in the middle, it breaks the flow an look of what could be a super sweet tail lite. just my, :Twocents: :Twocents: :cheers:
Well I tried calling Detroit Speed a couple of times about the tail light and I guess they don't think it is worth their while to call me back or even pick up when I call so I got nothing on it. I showed it to some guys at work and they seem to think it might be a CNC billet aluminum one off piece. They make all of their own stuff there so it wouldn't surprise me. Several internet searches turn up nothing. If it was something commercially available you would think it would be easily searched.
Sorry :-\ Thought there was more to it.
With the use of Mr. Cash's A-Dapter kit and a bit of work the Chally lights look all right, though I thought he should have blacked them out some.
Dave's a good guy and, though hard to get ahold of, would answer questions about what he did to fit the panel.
http://www.salvaggioautodesign.com/index.php/1970-charger-punishment (http://www.salvaggioautodesign.com/index.php/1970-charger-punishment)
Quote from: pettybird on September 30, 2013, 05:10:01 PM
With the use of Mr. Cash's A-Dapter kit and a bit of work the Chally lights look all right, though I thought he should have blacked them out some.
Dave's a good guy and, though hard to get ahold of, would answer questions about what he did to fit the panel.
http://www.salvaggioautodesign.com/index.php/1970-charger-punishment (http://www.salvaggioautodesign.com/index.php/1970-charger-punishment)
That's a beautiful car. I wish I had stayed with the upholstery hobby. I did a few cars when I was younger but I would love to have developed these skills to this level.
My stage V intake arrived today along with some other premium quality parts from John at Arruzza High Performance. About the only parts that I haven't purchased yet are the MSD ignition parts and the wet sump oiling system. Well, that and the headers and the accessory brackets and probably a bunch of stuff that I haven't thought about yet. I've also received the FAST dual quad system and the hemi flex plate. The HD 727 is at the transmission shop being checked out. A friend of mine built the transmission several years ago and never used it so I thought that I should have it checked out just in case. New seals, etc. It has all of the heavy duty internals so it should hold up well behind the hemi. I'll have them install my GVO while it's there in the shop.
I'm trying hard to get a customer car finished and delivered and my cuda drag car out of the way so that I can pull the Charger body in to get started. I've been buying up very nice project cars for my guys to work on this winter so I'm kind of limited on space. Right now we have 14 cars inside the shops. So far I've bought a very nice 70 B5 matching #s runner and a very solid 69 Mach 1 that only has 50K miles on it. I've also found a one owner 70 orange 4 speed runner that I'm currently trying to buy. I don't see us slowing down much this winter.
Quote from: hotrod98 on September 30, 2013, 06:29:24 PM
My stage V intake arrived today along with some other premium quality parts from John at Arruzza High Performance. About the only parts that I haven't purchased yet are the MSD ignition parts and the wet sump oiling system. Well, that and the headers and the accessory brackets and probably a bunch of stuff that I haven't thought about yet. I've also received the FAST dual quad system and the hemi flex plate. The HD 727 is at the transmission shop being checked out. A friend of mine built the transmission several years ago and never used it so I thought that I should have it checked out just in case. New seals, etc. It has all of the heavy duty internals so it should hold up well behind the hemi. I'll have them install my GVO while it's there in the shop.
I'm trying hard to get a customer car finished and delivered and my cuda drag car out of the way so that I can pull the Charger body in to get started. I've been buying up very nice project cars for my guys to work on this winter so I'm kind of limited on space. Right now we have 14 cars inside the shops. So far I've bought a very nice 70 B5 matching #s runner and a very solid 69 Mach 1 that only has 50K miles on it. I've also found a one owner 70 orange 4 speed runner that I'm currently trying to buy. I don't see us slowing down much this winter.
That is perty...LOL... do you know how much they had to mill off ?? so it would clear the hood, I'm just curious...
Quote from: Stevearino on September 30, 2013, 06:03:44 PM
That's a beautiful car. I wish I had stayed with the upholstery hobby. I did a few cars when I was younger but I would love to have developed these skills to this level.
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yeah...just look at the hack you've turned into :lol:
Larry, would enjoy a visit to your shop someday..awesome work buddy!
Quote from: Budnicks on September 30, 2013, 07:36:47 PM
Quote from: hotrod98 on September 30, 2013, 06:29:24 PM
My stage V intake arrived today along with some other premium quality parts from John at Arruzza High Performance. About the only parts that I haven't purchased yet are the MSD ignition parts and the wet sump oiling system. Well, that and the headers and the accessory brackets and probably a bunch of stuff that I haven't thought about yet. I've also received the FAST dual quad system and the hemi flex plate. The HD 727 is at the transmission shop being checked out. A friend of mine built the transmission several years ago and never used it so I thought that I should have it checked out just in case. New seals, etc. It has all of the heavy duty internals so it should hold up well behind the hemi. I'll have them install my GVO while it's there in the shop.
I'm trying hard to get a customer car finished and delivered and my cuda drag car out of the way so that I can pull the Charger body in to get started. I've been buying up very nice project cars for my guys to work on this winter so I'm kind of limited on space. Right now we have 14 cars inside the shops. So far I've bought a very nice 70 B5 matching #s runner and a very solid 69 Mach 1 that only has 50K miles on it. I've also found a one owner 70 orange 4 speed runner that I'm currently trying to buy. I don't see us slowing down much this winter.
That is perty...LOL... do you know how much they had to mill off ?? so it would clear the hood, I'm just curious...
Does this SV intake separate the front 4 cylinders from the back 4? - or is the intake open?
Dane
There is an opening between the front and the back.
Quote from: Budnicks on September 30, 2013, 07:36:47 PM
Quote from: hotrod98 on September 30, 2013, 06:29:24 PM
My stage V intake arrived today along with some other premium quality parts from John at Arruzza High Performance. About the only parts that I haven't purchased yet are the MSD ignition parts and the wet sump oiling system. Well, that and the headers and the accessory brackets and probably a bunch of stuff that I haven't thought about yet. I've also received the FAST dual quad system and the hemi flex plate. The HD 727 is at the transmission shop being checked out. A friend of mine built the transmission several years ago and never used it so I thought that I should have it checked out just in case. New seals, etc. It has all of the heavy duty internals so it should hold up well behind the hemi. I'll have them install my GVO while it's there in the shop.
I'm trying hard to get a customer car finished and delivered and my cuda drag car out of the way so that I can pull the Charger body in to get started. I've been buying up very nice project cars for my guys to work on this winter so I'm kind of limited on space. Right now we have 14 cars inside the shops. So far I've bought a very nice 70 B5 matching #s runner and a very solid 69 Mach 1 that only has 50K miles on it. I've also found a one owner 70 orange 4 speed runner that I'm currently trying to buy. I don't see us slowing down much this winter.
That is perty...LOL... do you know how much they had to mill off ?? so it would clear the hood, I'm just curious...
I was told 1/4".
Quote from: dads_69 on October 01, 2013, 05:23:40 PM
Larry, would enjoy a visit to your shop someday..awesome work buddy!
Yeah, it's nice to know folks like Larry. I'd have zero issues sending a car down there to him (if he wanted it?) to work on & never fly down to check on it/him.
That Brian guy is another one. :2thumbs:
I appreciate the compliments. In my old age, I've kind of slowed down a bit and I think it's rubbing off on my guys. Seems like it takes forever to get anything accomplished around here lately...lol. I have several projects going on at the same time and more coming. The shop is full and I'm thinking about building a storage building just to store parts for current projects.
I just bought an Acapulco Blue 69 Mach1 that has 50,000 miles on it and has been sitting in a barn near here since 1989. I'm a Mopar guy through and through but I love those 69 Machs. I bought this one on the spot. The only thing missing is the ram-air air cleaner assembly.
It looks kind of out of place in my shop...lol
If your gonna love a Ford that's the one for sure.Best Mustang ever IMHO.
Quote from: hotrod98 on October 02, 2013, 01:36:01 PM
I appreciate the compliments. In my old age, I've kind of slowed down a bit and I think it's rubbing off on my guys. Seems like it takes forever to get anything accomplished around here lately...lol. I have several projects going on at the same time and more coming. The shop is full and I'm thinking about building a storage building just to store parts for current projects.
I just bought an Acapulco Blue 69 Mach1 that has 50,000 miles on it and has been sitting in a barn near here since 1989. I'm a Mopar guy through and through but I love those 69 Machs. I bought this one on the spot. The only thing missing is the ram-air air cleaner assembly.
It looks kind of out of place in my shop...lol
The '69 Mach 1 is the only Mustang I ever wanted. :drool5:
Great find! :2thumbs: :2thumbs: :2thumbs:
Back in the day, my brother was the Mustang guy in the family so he ended up with all of the Mustangs that we found including the Mach 1's. I've always wanted one and was surprised to find a restorable candidate after all of these years.
I don't know, I have yet to see a car at your place Larry that had rust. Seems like they've all been sporting their factory paint when you buy them.
No wonder all your cars turn out so nice. :insertsarcasm:
Of course I know that's not true. *the rust part*
Quote from: hotrod98 on October 01, 2013, 11:28:00 PM
Quote from: Budnicks on September 30, 2013, 07:36:47 PM
Quote from: hotrod98 on September 30, 2013, 06:29:24 PM
My stage V intake arrived today along with some other premium quality parts from John at Arruzza High Performance. About the only parts that I haven't purchased yet are the MSD ignition parts and the wet sump oiling system. Well, that and the headers and the accessory brackets and probably a bunch of stuff that I haven't thought about yet. I've also received the FAST dual quad system and the hemi flex plate. The HD 727 is at the transmission shop being checked out. A friend of mine built the transmission several years ago and never used it so I thought that I should have it checked out just in case. New seals, etc. It has all of the heavy duty internals so it should hold up well behind the hemi. I'll have them install my GVO while it's there in the shop.
I'm trying hard to get a customer car finished and delivered and my cuda drag car out of the way so that I can pull the Charger body in to get started. I've been buying up very nice project cars for my guys to work on this winter so I'm kind of limited on space. Right now we have 14 cars inside the shops. So far I've bought a very nice 70 B5 matching #s runner and a very solid 69 Mach 1 that only has 50K miles on it. I've also found a one owner 70 orange 4 speed runner that I'm currently trying to buy. I don't see us slowing down much this winter.
That is perty...LOL... do you know how much they had to mill off ?? so it would clear the hood, I'm just curious...
I was told 1/4".
:2thumbs: thanks
Quote from: hotrod98 on October 02, 2013, 01:36:01 PM
I appreciate the compliments. In my old age, I've kind of slowed down a bit and I think it's rubbing off on my guys. Seems like it takes forever to get anything accomplished around here lately...lol. I have several projects going on at the same time and more coming. The shop is full and I'm thinking about building a storage building just to store parts for current projects.
I just bought an Acapulco Blue 69 Mach1 that has 50,000 miles on it and has been sitting in a barn near here since 1989. I'm a Mopar guy through and through but I love those 69 Machs. I bought this one on the spot. The only thing missing is the ram-air air cleaner assembly.
It looks kind of out of place in my shop...lol
I'm a Mopar 1st guy too, I do like only certain select 67-70's Mustangs Sportroof/fastbacks thou, I've had a couple over the years,
easy to find parts for, lend themselves to modifications very well/easily bolt-ons too... I especially like the 69 & 70 Mach 1's, My favorites are the Boss 302 cars thou, I don't care too much for any other years other than those thou... cool project, good luck
Quote from: 472 R/T SE on October 04, 2013, 03:38:19 AM
I don't know, I have yet to see a car at your place Larry that had rust. Seems like they've all been sporting their factory paint when you buy them.
No wonder all your cars turn out so nice. :insertsarcasm:
Of course I know that's not true. *the rust part*
In this part of the world, we typically get the usual rust in the lower quarters and trunk floor. Some cars get a little rust in the front floor pans and at the bottom of the back glass but usually not that bad. It does make the restoration process on these cars quicker, easier and less costly.
hows the shop cleanup an start of your Daytona project coming?? sounds like it will bee a interesting build with some change ups. i really like daytonas with tubbs an big back tires an the shorttened nose will help the side view alot.
well its raining alot here in old oregon ,good i have a hard pack lawn so my cars are not sinking out in back yard,need a shop to get more out of the rain,..
well all the best on ya daytona an cuda race car,have some fun out there.latter DJ out west :popcrn: :popcrn: :drool5: :drool5: :cheers: :2thumbs:
I figured it was time for an update. Still haven't pulled the car into the shop. I've been busy moving stuff around and clearing a spot in the front shop for the Drag Pak Challenger and my 70 Challenger R/T/SE. The Challenger is painted and ready to assemble and I'm waiting on parts to start on the Drag Pak car. I've made a few changes in my plans for the F&F car. I've decided to definitely shorten the fenders and hood approximately ten inches and I'm going to weld the steel nose onto the fenders to clean up the looks of the car. I'll also shave the door handles and side markers. I'll add the hemi name plates to the doors and add one to the deck lid as well. I'm not going to use a back bumper. I'll fill in the valance similar to the movie car and probably just use the taillight housings and lenses from a 69. No bezels. I'm also going to shave the drip moldings.
The main thing that I won't copy from the movie car is the wing glass. I'll still use the factory wing glass but paint all of the chrome trim semi gloss black to blend in with the tinted windows. I want the door glasses to operate properly. They will be powered.
I like the Viper style seats that are in my new drag pak car so I'm going to order a set of them from Jeg's. A set of them are over a thousand dollars cheaper than Sparcos. I'm still planning on a full roll cage so I'll have to cut the dash. No big deal really.
I was originally thinking about going with an AlterKation front suspension but I already have a hemi k member so I think I'll save the money and go stock. I'll buy the adjustable upper control arms though to correct the caster problems these cars have. I've definitely decided to use the 426 Gen II hemi rather than using the late model Gen III 392 hemi. With the dual quad FAST throttle body fuel injection and GVO overdrive, I think it will work just fine on the highway. I bought an Aeromotive Phantom fuel pump in-tank system and will run a stock tank. Pricey but worth every dime.
Flip Top fuel cap will be recessed with a drain tube so that water doesn't sit down in recess.
I'm definitely going with the same color as the movie car which is PMP Ox Blood red pearl that came on the 2012 Ram trucks.
Exhaust will be routed through the lwer front quarter panels but I want the mufflers to stay out of the passenger compartment.
Here's my 70 R/T SE. Ready to assemble.
:drool5:
please excuse me...I gotta go get another drool towel
Can't wait to see you get this project fired up. :yesnod: :yesnod: :yesnod: Found the company that did the side glass for the movie cars. Unfortunately they did it in laminated glass because they said no two cars fit the glass the same and they had to be edge sanded to fit. They used a mid 80's Buick window regulator system to do the delete but as you can see from some of the pics of the show car with the window rolled up they did not exactly seal to the quarter glass. Laminated glass would be a non-starter for a driver especially a frameless panel. Looking forward to your progress.
I kind of abandoned the wing glass delete idea early on. I want to install power windows and knew that I would be opening a can of worms. I need my projects to be as simple as possible to keep me from losing interest. I tend to jump around from project to project now and don't want that to happen once I start on this project. The plum crazy Challenger had been ready to paint for over a year before finally getting it into the booth. And, I had one of my guys paint it for me or it still wouldn't have paint on it. I'm getting old and lazy. Okay...older and lazier.
Quote from: Just 6T9 CHGR on May 03, 2013, 05:31:07 AM
The finished product of the Challenger tail conversion here....
http://www.dodgecharger.com/forum/index.php?topic=85486.275
(http://www.acetra.net/punishment/tat3.jpg)
This tucked an sucked an fitted rear bumper i think looks lots better with this or stockish tail lites,,, than the back of the fast an fondled car rear end??
Liked most of F&furrie car but hate its rear.. :Twocents: :Twocents: looking forward to your build an too see it come too life .love your black S-bird an daytona and your e body builds.sure the rear of yours will look better than F&F car when done. :popcrn: :popcrn: :2thumbs:
Quote from: hotrod98 on November 29, 2013, 02:03:06 PM
I kind of abandoned the wing glass delete idea early on. I want to install power windows and knew that I would be opening a can of worms. I need my projects to be as simple as possible to keep me from losing interest. I tend to jump around from project to project now and don't want that to happen once I start on this project. The plum crazy Challenger had been ready to paint for over a year before finally getting it into the booth. And, I had one of my guys paint it for me or it still wouldn't have paint on it. I'm getting old and lazy. Okay...older and lazier.
:lol: :lol: :lol: I feel your pain. I feel your pain.
Just read the last three pages of this and I have to say you have some skills!! Guys like you make me jealous! Awesome work, and I know hwat you mean about getting older and lazier, or should we say - less motivated! It was 13 degrees here last week and it was time for my daughter to get an oil change - in my unheated garage!! I'm 51, maybe I should re-teach her how to do it herself! Anyway, awesome projects and I do like the Mach I. My friend had one, then sold it for a boss 429. They're cool cars.
Since we have changed the subject somewhat.
Sorry to Hijack, but would like to share.
YES, I LIKE ORANGE ::)
How about these babys:
1970 Boss 429
(http://i280.photobucket.com/albums/kk179/kiwiboss429/Boss429kiwi/Picture092.jpg)
1970 Mustang 428 Cobra Jet, 4 speed, extremely rare white shaker and stripe option
(http://i280.photobucket.com/albums/kk179/kiwiboss429/Cobra%20Jet/P1010659.jpg)
(http://i280.photobucket.com/albums/kk179/kiwiboss429/Cobra%20Jet/P1010666.jpg)
Nice cars.
My 69 Mach has the air grabber hood but I like the Boss 429 hood scoop better. Too bad the correct ones are over $1200 for the entire setup.
Can't wait for more updates Larry!!! :cheers:
I'm about ready to fire all of my employees. I left for a full day to deliver a car to a customer and my employees decided to ignore my instructions to pull a car out that was on a rotisserie and lightly sandblast parts of it. These were the last two warm days that we were going to have for a while. A winter storm is moving in and we could have finished the car in the nice warm shop. Now we will have to wait quite a while before being able to work on the car. They decided to work on some easy projects as well as one of their own cars.
With the humidity here, it's almost impossible to sandblast when it's cold. The sand just won't flow and the fresh air hood tends to fog up badly.
I think I'm going to send everyone home until the weather warms up just to show them how things work around here. Maybe they can all get Christmas holiday jobs at Wal-Mart at a fifth of the wages that they make here. It's hard to believe how little people appreciate their jobs nowadays. This isn't the first time that I've had problems with work ethic around here. The last big job that we had took almost twice as long as it should have due to a couple of employees and their long term personal problems at home. Gets kinda old. Makes me look bad.
I was planning to move the F&F Daytona project in today to start putting it back together. That didn't happen. :flame:
On a lighter note, I received my racing seats for the project yesterday. Pics soon.
I was in business for 8 years back in the 80's. I think everyone who has a job needs to try to pay the bills with their own efforts for a few years and they would appreciate how easy it is to just show up, do what they are asked and collect some money. i know a lot of good people who no longer have good jobs. :rotz: :rotz:
Quote from: hotrod98 on December 05, 2013, 12:06:46 AM
I'm about ready to fire all of my employees. I left for a full day to deliver a car to a customer and my employees decided to ignore my instructions to pull a car out that was on a rotisserie and lightly sandblast parts of it. These were the last two warm days that we were going to have for a while. A winter storm is moving in and we could have finished the car in the nice warm shop. Now we will have to wait quite a while before being able to work on the car. They decided to work on some easy projects as well as one of their own cars.
With the humidity here, it's almost impossible to sandblast when it's cold. The sand just won't flow and the fresh air hood tends to fog up badly.
I think I'm going to send everyone home until the weather warms up just to show them how things work around here. Maybe they can all get Christmas holiday jobs at Wal-Mart at a fifth of the wages that they make here. It's hard to believe how little people appreciate their jobs nowadays. This isn't the first time that I've had problems with work ethic around here. The last big job that we had took almost twice as long as it should have due to a couple of employees and their long term personal problems at home. Gets kinda old. Makes me look bad.
I was planning to move the F&F Daytona project in today to start putting it back together. That didn't happen. :flame:
On a lighter note, I received my racing seats for the project yesterday. Pics soon.
Hmmm, know how that feels!
Was in the workshop one day when a new customer turns up, walks straight over to me, and says, high, "im John, you must be the owner."
Later i quizzed him how he knew i owned the buisness. He said, "because you were the only busy person!"
My problem is being too close to my employees. There's an old saying..."Familiarity breeds contempt".
It's so difficult keeping the business relationships separate from personal relationships. Especially when we are all Mopar guys.
Quote from: hotrod98 on December 07, 2013, 01:18:49 PM
My problem is being too close to my employees. There's an old saying..."Familiarity breeds contempt".
It's so difficult keeping the business relationships separate from personal relationships. Especially when we are all Mopar guys.
Yep your so right ,it can be a juggling act
Quote from: hotrod98 on December 07, 2013, 01:18:49 PM
My problem is being too close to my employees. There's an old saying..."Familiarity breeds contempt".
It's so difficult keeping the business relationships separate from personal relationships. Especially when we are all Mopar guys.
I can speak from experience, almost all employees seem to think they should be paid more & work less :slap: & almost all bosses/owners think just the opposite :brickwall: I had a few employees that were good friends, they are the hardest to have to fire, but easiest to talk to & motivate also "
usually", it's a tough situation, working with family &/or friends :Twocents: good luck keep up the great work
Here is how you need to build up that Mustang Larry.http://www.hotrod.com/featuredvehicles/1402_1969_ford_mustang_boss_302/
That's a pretty cool Mustang. I'm trying to buy a low mileage 95 Ford Mustang convertible that has a 5.0 and five speed. I would like to transplant that driveline into the Mach instead of using the old school 351 Cleveland and FMX auto.
I've put most of my projects on the back burner temporarily while I get my Drag Pak Challenger ready for next season. I hate to admit it but I've been spending more time riding my Polaris RZR lately than I have working on my car projects. It's addictive. We rode in the snow up in the mountains today. We don't get snow very often this far south so I had to take advantage of it. Usually we have to drive to Colorado to ride in the snow.
Quote from: hotrod98 on December 17, 2013, 10:10:35 PM
That's a pretty cool Mustang. I'm trying to buy a low mileage 95 Ford Mustang convertible that has a 5.0 and five speed. I would like to transplant that driveline into the Mach instead of using the old school 351 Cleveland and FMX auto.
That sounds like a great way to go.
I've put most of my projects on the back burner temporarily while I get my Drag Pak Challenger ready for next season. I hate to admit it but I've been spending more time riding my Polaris RZR lately than I have working on my car projects. It's addictive. We rode in the snow up in the mountains today. We don't get snow very often this far south so I had to take advantage of it. Usually we have to drive to Colorado to ride in the snow.
Hey. Fun is Fun. :yesnod: :yesnod: :yesnod:
MERRY CHRISTMAS HOTROD AN TO A GOOD NEW YEAR. Waiting for daytona stuff an enjoying seeing other cars an builds at your shop.
was looking at past info saw pixs of ya black daytona an start of a bird project white or primer with wing back view , you build some great looking rides. have fun and thanks for sharing.
hay ya may want ta look at feb 14 HOTROD Mag ---41 ways to go fast stuff on a new red challenger vs camaro vs mustang some goal of 200 mph in standing mile. only skimmed it ,have to go back an read the rest. all my best to you an yours this holiday season.DJ :cheers: :2thumbs:
When I started collecting parts for the F&F Daytona project, I never thought that I would have found a drag pak Challenger to build this winter. That has definitely changed the priorities in my life. I'll get back on the Daytona shortly.
Update...I bought the drag pak Challenger thinking that it was a 550 hp 5.7 hemi. That was the main reason that I was able to get such a great deal on it. Everyone wanted a 6.1 and the seller was having trouble selling a 5.7 version. Upon removing the engine Saturday, we discovered that this is actually a 630 hp 6.1. In fact, we've now learned that all 50 of the 2010's were 6.1's. That is a pleasant surprise and frankly a relief. I was starting to be concerned that 550 hp wasn't going to be enough to run a 7.0 class consistently. Merry Christmas to me. ;D
We took the car to the chassis shop over the weekend so that they could start on the roll cage and suspension. Should be able to get it back in about three weeks and then we can start on final assembly.
NICE!!! :2thumbs: kinda like finding money in a coat except WAY BETTER!!
Kinda weird that the previous owner did not know what they had but whatever. Congrats. :yesnod: :yesnod: :yesnod:
This car was originally purchased by an elderly gentleman near Chicago who thought he was buying a completed racecar. The dealership had it transferred from Baytown, TX up to Chicago and really knew nothing about the car. The guy refused it when he found out it wasn't a running, driving car so the dealership wholesaled the car. They had advertised it as a 5.7 so the new owner assumed that the dealership knew what they were talking about.
There's nothing on the car to tell you whether it's a 5.7 or a 6.1. No vin...remember. And the plate that Roush put on the car doesn't tell you. The 5.7's and 6.1's look absolutely identical from the outside.
Well that adds up then. Again their lack of concern is your good fortune. Best of luck with that piece.
So Roush had a hand in building the drag pack Challengers???
Yes. They made the modifications to the chassis and added the drag pak plate.
Quote from: hotrod98 on December 24, 2013, 03:29:59 PM
When I started collecting parts for the F&F Daytona project, I never thought that I would have found a drag pak Challenger to build this winter. That has definitely changed the priorities in my life. I'll get back on the Daytona shortly.
Update...I bought the drag pak Challenger thinking that it was a 550 hp 5.7 hemi. That was the main reason that I was able to get such a great deal on it. Everyone wanted a 6.1 and the seller was having trouble selling a 5.7 version. Upon removing the engine Saturday, we discovered that this is actually a 630 hp 6.1. In fact, we've now learned that all 50 of the 2010's were 6.1's. That is a pleasant surprise and frankly a relief. I was starting to be concerned that 550 hp wasn't going to be enough to run a 7.0 class consistently. Merry Christmas to me. ;D
We took the car to the chassis shop over the weekend so that they could start on the roll cage and suspension. Should be able to get it back in about three weeks and then we can start on final assembly.
:2thumbs: very cool ride, very nice score, especially having the bigger better more powerful 6.1lter Hemi engine combo, is a plus & nice selfy Christmas Present :drool5:
I'm still collecting parts for my Fast and Furious Daytona clone. I hope to get started on it by the time spring arrives. Meanwhile, I'm working on preparing my new racecar. I just picked the drag pak Challenger up a few days ago from the chassis shop where I had the rear suspension and roll cage installed. I will be taking it to Tulsa Raceway Park next Saturday to have the cage certified by NHRA.
I'm beginning to think that I may need to hire someone to help me in my racecar shop just to get some of these projects finished up. I still haven't assembled my 70 Challenger R/T SE plum crazy car or my 64 Dodge 330 drag car that I'm building for a friend of mine to drive.
I'm getting further and further behind.
One way or another it looks like you are having a blast. So many great projects under way. :yesnod: :yesnod: :yesnod:
I agree! Awesome projects there Larry. :2thumbs:
Hey, that's not a daytona, :o
Quote from: BigBlockSam on February 07, 2014, 10:47:10 PM
Hey, that's not a daytona, :o
we can get stevearino on that :icon_smile_big:
I promise that the very next pic that I post will have something to do with the Daytona. :coolgleamA:
..."I promise that the very next pic that I post will have something to do with the Daytona"...
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Quote from: hotrod98 on February 09, 2014, 08:57:08 PM
I promise that the very next pic that I post will have something to do with the Daytona. :coolgleamA:
Please note, he didn't say when :lol:
nice subject
I've been working on customer cars and haven't had time to work on my own projects lately. I almost sold the Daytona clone project out of frustration. As soon as I have this hemi roadrunner finished and out of my shop I plan to pull the Charger in and at least get the bodywork finished.
nice :cheers:
I was getting ready to post something about not seeing online in a year or so. You must just be keeping yourself busy. Hope everything's OK down in that part of the country? Hear it's gotten a little hot down there too. We set all kinds of records relating to heat. The one I hate, most consecutive days of 90 degrees or higher, like 2 weeks! :flame:
Nice to see ya' posting Larry. :cheers:
The heat has gotten bad lately. I start painting around 10:00 at night and usually finish around 4:00 a.m.. For what it's worth, I have been giving a lot of thought as to just what I want to do on this project. There are so many directions that I could go with this build. I have a pre-world block 426 hemi crate motor that I was planning to use in my 71 Cuda. My fiancée Tammy has decided that she wants to drive our Cuda and has asked me to go with a 340 4 speed in it. It's a 340 auto shaker car so I don't have a problem with that. I'm thinking that instead of using my 6.4 crate motor I'll use the 426 in the Daytona project. I have a fresh 727 hemi auto with the factory kickdown stuff and a hemi k member. I have Gear Vendor Overdrive that would make the car a little more highway friendly. I also have a FAST fuel injection setup and a stage V dual quad intake. I've been pricing brakes, rims and tires. I may have to mortgage my house. That will be the most expensive part of the build.
Well, here it is November. How time flies. Been very busy with seven customer builds this year. Delivered a couple of them in the last few months but new ones keep coming in. While that's good news for business, it's bad news for my other personal projects.
Just before leaving for SEMA last month, I pulled my Charger into the shop with high hopes of working on it in what little spare time that I have. I've considered just selling it a couple of times but know that I would truly regret it if I did. So far I've removed the doors and fenders and have them just about ready for etch prime. I need to finish welding in the new quarters and tail panel.
My plans keep changing on this project for several reasons.
First, if I make the build too complicated, it might never be finished.
Second, I want to keep the cost down as much as possible to save money for the 71 Cuda that I'm building for my fiancée.
Third, I really want a hotrod to just drive hard and not worry about. Not a showcar or garage queen.
I'm sticking with the plan of using my 426 crate motor with the dual quad FAST EFI instead of the 6.4 392. This way I can save the 6.4 for Tammy's cuda. Still going with the hemi 727 and a PPP shifter. No console. Race seats just like the ones in my drag pak Challenger. Road race style roll cage. Shortened fenders, shortened hood, steel Altered Daytona nose, no a pillar trims, no fender scoops, Dane's aluminum wing, stock taillights, painted rear bumper, side markers shaved, recessed filler and several other custom mods. Very sparse interior with a modified stock dash frame and no rear seats. Might run the exhaust through the front of the quarters. Might not. Haven't decided yet.
At this point I have about 20K in the car, nose, wing, 426, hemi auto and race seats. Still need TTI headers, aluminum radiator, PPP shifter, roll cage and whatever rims and tires I decide to go with. Hope to keep it at around 25K altogether.
Hopefully more updates, soon. Would like to drive it next summer..
Quote from: hotrod98 on November 14, 2015, 09:17:13 PM
Well, here it is November. How time flies. Been very busy with seven customer builds this year. Delivered a couple of them in the last few months but new ones keep coming in. While that's good news for business, it's bad news for my other personal projects.
Just before leaving for SEMA last month, I pulled my Charger into the shop with high hopes of working on it in what little spare time that I have. I've considered just selling it a couple of times but know that I would truly regret it if I did. So far I've removed the doors and fenders and have them just about ready for etch prime. I need to finish welding in the new quarters and tail panel.
My plans keep changing on this project for several reasons.
First, if I make the build too complicated, it might never be finished.
Second, I want to keep the cost down as much as possible to save money for the 71 Cuda that I'm building for my fiancée.
Third, I really want a hotrod to just drive hard and not worry about. Not a showcar or garage queen.
I'm sticking with the plan of using my 426 crate motor with the dual quad FAST EFI instead of the 6.4 392. This way I can save the 6.4 for Tammy's cuda. Still going with the hemi 727 and a PPP shifter. No console. Race seats just like the ones in my drag pak Challenger. Road race style roll cage. Shortened fenders, shortened hood, steel Altered Daytona nose, no a pillar trims, no fender scoops, Dane's aluminum wing, stock taillights, painted rear bumper, side markers shaved, recessed filler and several other custom mods. Very sparse interior with a modified stock dash frame and no rear seats. Might run the exhaust through the front of the quarters. Might not. Haven't decided yet.
At this point I have about 20K in the car, nose, wing, 426, hemi auto and race seats. Still need TTI headers, aluminum radiator, PPP shifter, roll cage and whatever rims and tires I decide to go with. Hope to keep it at around 25K altogether.
Hopefully more updates, soon. Would like to drive it next summer..
once your dont with it and had your fun im first in like to purchase it :icon_smile_big:
You're first in line Stu.
Danggit STUWIE only took ya 6 min 34 sec after Hotrods update to start the line an dibbes on his Tona hot rod project, :brickwall: :shruggy:HA HA HA.WILL bee looking, an watching. :popcrn: :popcrn: best on ya build ,like the plan,short nose,no back seat,sounds great,true hotrod an go fast special. :2thumbs: :popcrn: :cheers: how bout second in line?? DJ :yesnod: :2thumbs:
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Quote from: Howie on May 07, 2013, 11:41:26 AM
that pro daytona was out of St Louis I heard and the owner shot me an email a while back. Not sure where it is now. Has a blown injected 392 in it. Got the magazine article at home.
I saw that daytona at the nats it was Wally Edlers
392 thats what was in it
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see page 2top for side shot of red hemi bird... WHERE is HOTROD an his cars lately ??? ??? ??? :2thumbs: :2thumbs: :popcrn: :popcrn: :drool5: