It's been quite a project and was finished a few weeks ago. I'd love to show the final results but have committed to wait until its official debut at the 2017 MATS Event in Las Vegas. (April 21-23.) Below is link showing details of of the build. :2thumbs:
http://4doorcuda.com
:2thumbs: :coolgleamA:
What car is this? Never heard of it.... :smilielol:
:2thumbs: :coolgleamA:
The idea was there ,
Dave congrats on the long journey....Your idea has come to fruition! :2thumbs:
I am sure April cannot come soon enough after the many years building it. Along with blood, sweat and tears in that build!
Congrats again!
Justin
I love this project. Can't wait to see it in person . Congrats Dave!
Wow! Stellar work as usual. Glad to see this one come to fruition :cheers:
Quote from: UFO on March 25, 2017, 07:25:50 AM
The idea was there ,
That's a neat article. Is it from an old Magazine or another form of print? Thanks! :2thumbs:
please, don't give idas to FCA. ( they should take the correct ones, like some of the 2 doors Chagnums built )
Interesting project though...
:scope: wow !!! :bow: :coolgleamA:
been watching this project ... I know it caused a bit of a discussion on here in the past , & not to every ones liking , I can appreciate all time / work / fabrication/ skill ... gone into this build. , !! what an awesome job !! , you nailed it ! looks just like ** IF Plymouth had built these ** great stuff :cheers: :coolgleamA::2thumbs: :2thumbs:
:scratchchin: Interesting. Can't wait to see the finished product :2thumbs: LEON.
Quote from: Kern Dog on March 25, 2017, 12:06:25 AM
What car is this? Never heard of it.... :smilielol:
Hi Kern! I know you're following along on some of the other sites. You had asked about everything being altered with respect to the Body Panels. Below is an example of the type of "engineering" measurements we took to get everything to fit correctly. This example was just for the Headliner. Most of the Car had to be processed the same way in order for everything to line up. It was very tedious work. Thanks!
http://4doorcuda.com/?p=1879
Quote from: ECS on March 25, 2017, 09:10:15 AM
Quote from: UFO on March 25, 2017, 07:25:50 AM
The idea was there ,
That's a neat article. Is it from an old Magazine or another form of print? Thanks! :2thumbs:
It's from popular mechanics or popular science.
Quote from: UFO on March 25, 2017, 04:57:37 PM
Quote from: ECS on March 25, 2017, 09:10:15 AM
Quote from: UFO on March 25, 2017, 07:25:50 AM
The idea was there ,
That's a neat article. Is it from an old Magazine or another form of print? Thanks! :2thumbs:
It's from popular mechanics or popular science.
These are cool bits of printed information from the past.
In the day I lived by what both of those publications printed.
I also thank you for finding that and sharing it. Every addition to this story is a plus.
Quote from: UFO on March 25, 2017, 04:57:37 PM
Quote from: ECS on March 25, 2017, 09:10:15 AM
Quote from: UFO on March 25, 2017, 07:25:50 AM
The idea was there ,
That's a neat article. Is it from an old Magazine or another form of print? Thanks! :2thumbs:
It's from popular mechanics or popular science.
Correction---Mechanix Illustrated Oct 69
Why do men climb mountains?
Because it was there.
Men that strive to achieve a higher level of anything will often use an UNconventional canvas to paint on.
Who has seen Dave Waldens other cars? I recall a black 70 4 door Valiant. After that, I don't clearly remember the others. THIS car will be remembered. Dave seems to have taken a path that most don't understand. Looking at the build thread when it was on FBBO, the attention to detail is amazing. The fabrication work was too. If you never owned or inspected a Chrysler product before, the car would look factory correct. I think that is exactly the point that Dave was aiming for. Take all your skills that could be used on a car that many will forget in a few months.....OR apply those skills to a car that will stick in peoples minds.
The world has but a few truly talented people. The overwhelming majority of the people that we live among are not capable of rebuilding an engine, doing bodywork, welding, fabrication or really anything beyond some basic maintenance. When someone is driven by their passion to develop skills like this, it should be admired and respected, not ridiculed or insulted. I am a critical jerk in many ways but when it comes to matters like this, I direct my attention to those that are so petty, they dare to bash a person that has far more talent than we may ever have. I have seen on line where a guy may post a picture of something creative, then someone is compelled to respond with...."Well, it looks like you have a lot of free time on your hands..." Really? Well what have YOU ever created besides a 54 inch waist?
Dave asks nothing from anyone here. He isn't pushing any agenda. He simply chose to embark on a project based on a Chrysler could have, maybe did, not sure if... car and take it to a level that the top restoration shops in America might want to emulate.
Maybe the critics are just envious. I wish that I had his skill and his drive. People that push to be the best in their field shouldn't be bashed or insulted for their efforts. I'm not saying this guy deserves a parade but he surely does not deserve to be criticized by jealous losers.
this is the same as the 4 door charger.....oh wait...
Am I missing something here? There appears to be nothing but positivity in this thread... :brickwall:
This looks like it will be FUNtastic! :popcrn:
Quote from: moparnation74 on March 26, 2017, 07:40:45 AM
Am I missing something here? There appears to be nothing but positivity in this thread... :brickwall:
I have seen this topic discussed here and several other sites. Some places have guys tossing around some real ignorant criticism.
I wrote this at Moparts and did a "cut and paste" to post it here and a couple other places. Please forgive if the context is not a perfect fit. If you are a friend of mine or someone I admire, you may see the same type of defense coming from me if someone unfairly bashes you in the future. If someone I know turns out to deserve harsh criticism, that is up to them to defend themselves.
Quote from: ECS on March 24, 2017, 11:09:03 PM
It's been quite a project and was finished a few weeks ago. I'd love to show the final results but have committed to wait until its official debut at the 2017 MATS Event in Las Vegas. (April 21-23.) Below is link showing details of of the build. :2thumbs:
http://4doorcuda.com
I look forward to seeing the finished product Dave, I'm sure it's nothing short of stellar in execution as well as fit/finish...while a 4 door barracuda may not be my cup of tea, I can more than fully appreciate the planning and labour that goes into such a venture, I always enjoy seeing projects from those that create history with a project rather than just refurbishing something like everyone else
Mike
Quote from: Kern Dog on March 26, 2017, 01:08:36 PM
Quote from: moparnation74 on March 26, 2017, 07:40:45 AM
Am I missing something here? There appears to be nothing but positivity in this thread... :brickwall:
I have seen this topic discussed here and several other sites. Some places have guys tossing around some real ignorant criticism.
I wrote this at Moparts and did a "cut and paste" to post it here and a couple other places. Please forgive if the context is not a perfect fit. If you are a friend of mine or someone I admire, you may see the same type of defense coming from me if someone unfairly bashes you in the future. If someone I know turns out to deserve harsh criticism, that is up to them to defend themselves.
This is true and I get what you are meaning....for some the past is the past....Unfortunately, there are some that just will never get that and I am sure that is what your referring to....
Posting anything on Moparts....Well you would be better off playing Russian Roulette, lol.....
What an impressive project! I'm looking forward to seeing the official unveiling. :cheers:
Quote from: Charger_Fan on March 30, 2017, 11:09:24 AM
What an impressive project! I'm looking forward to seeing the official unveiling. :cheers:
Here's the condensed story of how the Project started and progressed over time.
http://4doorcuda.com/?p=1940
I think it's great, can't wait till the unveiling!
Congrats on finishing her up, I wish I could be at the revile party
Quote from: thedodgeboys on April 19, 2017, 12:34:05 AM
Congrats on finishing her up, I wish I could be at the revile party
Uhhh...
re·vile
rəˈvīl/
verb
criticize in an abusive or angrily insulting manner.
"he was now reviled by the party that he had helped to lead"
synonyms: criticize, censure, condemn, attack, inveigh against, rail against, castigate, lambaste,
Are you sure you mean that?
Quote from: Kern Dog on April 19, 2017, 02:38:35 AM
Quote from: thedodgeboys on April 19, 2017, 12:34:05 AM
Congrats on finishing her up, I wish I could be at the revile party
Uhhh...
re·vile
rəˈvīl/
verb
criticize in an abusive or angrily insulting manner.
"he was now reviled by the party that he had helped to lead"
synonyms: criticize, censure, condemn, attack, inveigh against, rail against, castigate, lambaste,
Are you sure you mean that?
LOL :lol:
I seem to remember a fair bit of controversy over this one, so...
Perhaps there's a reveal party for those who are on the "yea" team...
...and a revile party for those on the "nay" side. :shruggy:
That is funny. :cheers:
Quote from: Polygon on April 18, 2017, 08:36:11 PM
I think it's great, can't wait till the unveiling!
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(http://4doorcuda.com/wordpress4door/wp-content/uploads/2017/04/6S8B4391IYF.jpg)
(http://4doorcuda.com/wordpress4door/wp-content/uploads/2017/04/ECS12100IYF.jpg)
(http://4doorcuda.com/wordpress4door/wp-content/uploads/2017/04/6S8B4407IYF.jpg)
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Finally some pics. Lol. Nice work.
Just one question, why a four door without a/c. How did y'all pic what options it would come with?
Luke
That is funny, I noticed that too! I know the car is never going to be a driver so maybe A/C was omitted because it clutters up an engine bay?
I like the choice of the Magnum/Road wheels. Looks great. I wish I could have seen it up close.
Quote from: lukedukem on April 21, 2017, 08:01:05 PM
Finally some pics. Lol. Nice work.
Just one question, why a four door without a/c. How did y'all pic what options it would come with?
Luke
After doing the Challenger in 2008, I realized it was very difficult to find nice NOS A/C components. It wasn't an option that we felt was necessary with a "performance" type 340 Engine. We decided to go with some options that were a bit unorthodox for a Barracuda. There were not too many made with a Bench Seat and a Column Shift setup. There were ZERO built with a Tilt Telescopic Steering Column or Redline Tires.
Just incredible. Congrats to your whole team.
Man, that turned out spectacular, nice work! :cheers:
Looking that that front seat...I think I have the same one, just in white. It came with my yellow project Charger (just tossed inside), and I had no idea what it came from. I was assuming an A-body, but now I'm thinking an E-body.
That look so good it looks Photoshopped. Awesome job.
That is simply outstanding craftsmanship. :2thumbs:
Thats beautiful! :coolgleamA:
That looks awesome. Love me some four doors. I don't feel like searching tons of pics but do most four doors have the door windows higher than the windshield?
Any possibility you'll be making posters or anything like that? I'd like to have that last picture hanging in the garage. :drool5:
I love this build, amazing craftsmanship!
Quote from: Back N Black on April 23, 2017, 09:22:29 PM
I love this build, amazing craftsmanship!
Thanks! We had everything set up for Jay Leno & Bob Riggle to do the unveiling but Leno had to leave early. Instead, we had a local Las Vegas radio "celebrity" do the introduction and things proceeded without a hitch.
(http://4doorcuda.com/blog/wp-content/uploads/2017/04/FullSizeRender1.jpg)
(http://4doorcuda.com/blog/wp-content/uploads/2017/04/FullSizeRender-3.jpg)
(http://4doorcuda.com/blog/wp-content/uploads/2017/04/FullSizeRender-1.jpg)
Who is the guy in the red shirt with the big arms? :nana:
Dave,
Congrats on the finished project ! It looks every bit of stellar as I thought it would turn out. Considering its a 4 door, I think everything is exactly proportionate as it should be just like it would have been on any other 4 door car that I've seen.
How was Jay Leno? Was he as down to earth as he appears to be on TV? What was his thoughts on the car?
Way to make history again, my friend !
I saw Jay Leno at the Van Nuys Spring Fling several years ago. I was with 2 friends, he was with a guy. I pointed to Jay who was about 30 feet away and said to my buddies...HEY, that guy owes me FIFTY bucks! Jay was fast to respond....Yeah, thats why I'm walking THAT way!as he turned between cars and kept walking.
Really excellent work!
That said, I see why they didn't build it! (But I'm glad you did.)
Quote from: Homerr on April 26, 2017, 01:05:25 PM
Really excellent work!
That said, I see why they didn't build it! (But I'm glad you did.)
I here ya on that one. Has the look of the ginger step daughter about it.....you still love her but.....!
Great photos!
Quote from: Kern Dog on April 25, 2017, 06:52:41 PM
Who is the guy in the red shirt with the big arms? :nana:
:
Great job Dave! No small feat to be sure. What's the MSRP? :2thumbs:
I think it's that side profile shot that kills it. It looks like it has some weird AMC cross-pollination.
Hommer you beat me to it
Killer job on the car you sick twisted Mopar freaks!!
Very nice workmanship... Interesting build to say the least. Can't wait until SEMA to see it in person....
Quote from: Homerr on April 28, 2017, 01:41:31 AM
I think it's that side profile shot that kills it. It looks like it has some weird AMC cross-pollination.
Agree. Side profile AND door handles.
Agree? You mean Agreed?
Why would STOCK E body door handles be out of place on a STOCK type build?
Quote from: Kern Dog on May 02, 2017, 09:32:21 PM
Agree? You mean Agreed?
Why would STOCK E body door handles be out of place on a STOCK type build?
The door handles are appropriate.
AMC really loved that style door handle and 4 of them on this build contributes to the AMC look.
Side view definitely looks like a stretched pacer. I think it's so weird looking it's almost cool. Only word I can think of is goofy. :rofl:
Quote from: bristol on May 03, 2017, 08:58:02 AM
Side view definitely looks like a stretched pacer.
I can't tell the difference! The Fenders and Quarter Panels are identical in appearance. Even the Wheel Wells (which still have the basic stock 2 Door Barracuda shape) are indistinguishable from a "stretched" AMC Pacer.
(http://4doorcuda.com/blog/wp-content/uploads/2017/05/twocars.jpg)
That is funny Dave.... :2thumbs:
The roofline, while not as sleek as the traditional 2 door model, was necessary.
Quote from: Kern Dog on May 03, 2017, 06:50:10 PM
That is funny Dave.... :2thumbs:
The roofline, while not as sleek as the traditional 2 door model, was necessary.
I'm just hoping that a red Pacer doesn't show up at any of the events we will be attending. There would be a great possibility that we might accidentally take someone's AMC vehicle because they look identical.
Quote from: Kern Dog on May 03, 2017, 06:50:10 PM
That is funny Dave.... :2thumbs:
The roofline, while not as sleek as the traditional 2 door model, was necessary.
I never fully understood the reason behind the increased height of the roof line on this car. Why couldn't the roof line on the 2 door have been retained and just continued back on the 4 door concept car? I'm sure there's a logical reason. I'm just not understanding.
Quote from: CRW-FK5 on May 03, 2017, 07:04:04 PM
Quote from: Kern Dog on May 03, 2017, 06:50:10 PM
That is funny Dave.... :2thumbs:
The roofline, while not as sleek as the traditional 2 door model, was necessary.
I never fully understood the reason behind the increased height of the roof line on this car. Why couldn't the roof line on the 2 door have been retained and just continued back on the 4 door concept car? I'm sure there's a logical reason. I'm just not understanding.
You can't have a 2 door roof line on a 4 door vehicle. The passenger rear door has to have enough headroom for a person to enter the vehicle comfortably. Below is a comparison of Chrysler's version of their 2 door Roadrunner and 4 door Satellite. Notice how much taller the glass had to be in order to accommodate the 4 door body style. I think we actually did a better job of keeping a "fastback" look to our 4 Door version that Chrysler actually did with theirs.
(http://4doorcuda.com/blog/wp-content/uploads/2017/05/2dr_vs_4dr-B-Body.jpg)
I was meaning that in an insulting way. I like the car that's why I asked if you would make posters. That side view just has a pacer feel to it.
I guess the worst thing you can tell a car builder is that you see a little pacer influence in there car. My bad. :brickwall:
Quote from: bristol on May 03, 2017, 07:40:22 PM
I guess the worst thing you can tell a car builder is that you see a little pacer influence in there car. My bad. :brickwall:
The Fenders we started with were 1970 Barracuda Fenders. The Quarter Panels we started with were 1970 Barracuda Quarter Panels. The "custom" Doors we started with were 1970 Barracuda Door Skins. You'll have to be specific in describing how using all 1970 Barracuda Body Panels, resulted in having an AMC Pacer appearance. I also posted the 2 in a side by side comparison. Could you please describe in detail the "pacer influence" that can be seen between the two vehicles? Thanks!
(http://4doorcuda.com/blog/wp-content/uploads/2017/05/twocars.jpg)
Im only talking about the side windows looking that far up on the side view of it gives it a fishbowl look.
I remember now in an old thread the same thing was brought up and you got super defensive. Shouldn't have even have gave my opinion.
Quote from: bristol on May 03, 2017, 08:03:03 PM
I remember now in an old thread the same thing was brought up and you got super defensive. Shouldn't have even have gave my opinion.
Maybe Dave is seeing it through his own eyes and not thinking of what the critics see.
People....The car was not designed to be accepted by everyone. I'm sure Dave knew that many would see a 4 door version of this classic style to be less desireable than the 2 door version. Myself, I cannot recall
any 4 door car that looks better than the 2 door version. 4 door cars were thought of as family cars, not sporty, racy type cars. I see this as a platform to showcase a fabled "maybe they considered it" type of build along with construction standards of the highest caliber.
Again, the roof line at the rear of every American made car is taller so the average person wouldn't have to squat or stoop to get in. Imagine getting
out of a car with a low roof line. You'd bump your head and refuse to ride in the back again without a helmet.
Quote from: bristol on May 03, 2017, 08:03:03 PM
I remember now in an old thread the same thing was brought up and you got super defensive. Shouldn't have even have gave my opinion.
If you saw it in an old thread, then you already had the answer. For whatever reason, some people continue to ignore the answer I have already given them. The roof was lowered on this vehicle. The side glass is basically the same as a 4 door Satellite or Coronet. The belt line was lowered about an inch and a half to match the Barracuda Fenders and Quarter Panels. Lowering the belt line made the window openings appear larger. We lowered the roofline about an inch and a half to compensate for the belt line alterations. People are not use to seeing a 4 door Barracuda and they have nothing to compare it with other than the 2 door model. Like I showed in an earlier post, all 4 door vehicles had a higher window profile than their 2 door counter parts.
Quote from: Kern Dog on May 03, 2017, 08:21:05 PM
Maybe Dave is seeing it through his own eyes and not thinking of what the critics see.
Thanks Kern! Our intent was to make a 4 door version of the 2 door Barracuda. We didn't have much to work with. The entire Body of the Car had to be fabricated from scratch. Some components required more fabrication work than others. The final version of this Car, is what it is. No one is asking for anyone to appreciate the car or what it looks like. Some people like it, some hate it. I understand both sides of the equation. No one's opinion is wrong in how they interpret this project. I just wanted to know where the similarities with a "Pacer" came from. The only side similarities I can see is that both cars have Tires & Wheels, front Fenders, side Doors and Quarter Panels. They also have a front & rear Bumper. That being the case, I guess this 4 Door Project has something in common with just about every vehicle that was ever built.
Quote from: ECS on May 03, 2017, 08:50:48 PM
Quote from: bristol on May 03, 2017, 08:03:03 PM
I remember now in an old thread the same thing was brought up and you got super defensive. Shouldn't have even have gave my opinion.
If you saw it in an old thread, then you already had the answer. For whatever reason, some people continue to ignore the answer I have already given them. The roof was lowered on this vehicle. The side glass is basically the same as a 4 door Satellite or Coronet. The belt line was lowered about an inch and a half to match the Barracuda Fenders and Quarter Panels. Lowering the belt line made the window openings appear larger. We lowered the roofline about an inch and a half to compensate for the belt line alterations. People are not use to seeing a 4 door Barracuda and they have nothing to compare it with other than the 2 door model. Like I showed in an earlier post, all 4 door vehicles had a higher window profile than their 2 door counter parts.
That's why I'm saying to me it has that fishbowl look. That's just thru my eyes. I'm not even saying it on a negative way. I like the body shape of the pacers always have but I like corvairs ,gremlins, 4 door coronets, opels, all that weird stuff. I can see you could take that in a negative way but it wasn't meant to be at all.
It has nothing to do with the fact that you built this 50 years later. I agree that's how the factory would have done it and if they did make a couple hundred thousand of them I would never think a part of it looks like a pacer. But since it's a brand new car basically that comes to mind.
Stretched non existent Pacer or factory 4 door Hornet? :scratchchin:
(http://4.bp.blogspot.com/-0ZgVWYjKSr0/VRSFlKpgBtI/AAAAAAAAP0c/BXlnVPfrtnA/s1600/1970%2BAMC%2BHornet%2B4-door.jpg)
Quote from: crj1968 on May 03, 2017, 10:13:43 PM
Stretched non existent Pacer or factory 4 door Hornet? :scratchchin:
(http://4.bp.blogspot.com/-0ZgVWYjKSr0/VRSFlKpgBtI/AAAAAAAAP0c/BXlnVPfrtnA/s1600/1970%2BAMC%2BHornet%2B4-door.jpg)
It looks like a 4 door Hornet to me. I certainly don't see a resemblance of a Pacer in that design. I guess in the dark and squinting, it could pass for any 4 door that you wanted it to be.
I wouldn't be squinting in the dark with that model Dave!! :icon_smile_big:
Quote from: birdsandbees on May 03, 2017, 10:46:31 PM
I wouldn't be squinting in the dark with that model Dave!! :icon_smile_big:
That's funny! On a serious note, that's the great thing about this Hobby! Everyone has an opinion and free to feel what they want about any style or model of car. We built what we set out to build and I'm pleased with the results. It's the only one like it in the World and could be driven from New York to California. You would only need to stop for refueling, eating or using the restroom. It's registered/titled with the DMV and complies with all DOT standards for a vehicle of the 1970's.
It looks like what a "functional" four door cuda would have looked like.......You either like it or you don't but hey every year a new car comes out from a manufacturer that we either like or dislike....Really, enough with the crappy comparisons with models not even close.....
Fantastic build and great craftsmanship to build a "one of none" exactly like the factory would have rolled one out!
Quote from: moparnation74 on May 04, 2017, 12:21:40 PM
Fantastic build and great craftsmanship to build a "one of none" exactly like the factory would have rolled one out!
Thanks for chiming in Justin. I don't know if what we did turned out exactly like the Factory would have done it but we certainly tried. After this last Show, we saw some minor things that we're currently re-working. Nothing serious but the Car has to be as "perfect" as we can get it for the SEMA Battle of the Builders Competition. It will be an uphill struggle to do well at that type of event but I'm hoping we will make a good showing.
Quote from: moparnation74 on May 04, 2017, 12:21:40 PM
It looks like what a "functional" four door cuda would have looked like.....
Fantastic build and great craftsmanship to build a "one of none" exactly like the factory would have rolled one out!
Personally I hate and have hated anything 4 door old school or new, but on a serious note, Dave has once again performed an excellent build in both execution and attention to detail, but then again I wouldn't have expected anything less, and it's quite possibly the "coolest" 4 dr that I could admit to liking (then again I am biased to liking E bodies)
It's a tough sell for the Mopar Crowd" to accept anything "outside of the box" regardless of how well a vehicle presents itself DAMHIK, ...myself I enjoy seeing projects like this rather than the cookie cutter OEM restorations that are basically dime a dozen, it's nice to see something that refreshes the hobby every now and then...job well done Dave and Steve B.
Mike
Quote from: DAY CLONA on May 05, 2017, 12:32:23 PM
Quote from: moparnation74 on May 04, 2017, 12:21:40 PM
It looks like what a "functional" four door cuda would have looked like.....
Fantastic build and great craftsmanship to build a "one of none" exactly like the factory would have rolled one out!
Personally I hate and have hated anything 4 door old school or new, but on a serious note, Dave has once again performed an excellent build in both execution and attention to detail, but then again I wouldn't have expected anything less, and it's quite possibly the "coolest" 4 dr that I could admit to liking (then again I am biased to liking E bodies)
It's a tough sell for the Mopar Crowd" to accept anything "outside of the box" regardless of how well a vehicle presents itself DAMHIK, ...myself I enjoy seeing projects like this rather than the cookie cutter OEM restorations that are basically dime a dozen, it's nice to see something that refreshes the hobby every now and then...job well done Dave and Steve B.
Mike
Personally, I enjoy all types of restorations.....It is nice to see something done way out of the norm.
Not everyone has the capabilities to just do a restoration and some it is a mere dream but knocking a restoration of any form or category brings one to a lesser standard in my books!
Those people, I have yet to be impressed......
Quote from: moparnation74 on May 05, 2017, 12:59:52 PM
Quote from: DAY CLONA on May 05, 2017, 12:32:23 PM
Quote from: moparnation74 on May 04, 2017, 12:21:40 PM
It looks like what a "functional" four door cuda would have looked like.....
Fantastic build and great craftsmanship to build a "one of none" exactly like the factory would have rolled one out!
Personally I hate and have hated anything 4 door old school or new, but on a serious note, Dave has once again performed an excellent build in both execution and attention to detail, but then again I wouldn't have expected anything less, and it's quite possibly the "coolest" 4 dr that I could admit to liking (then again I am biased to liking E bodies)
It's a tough sell for the Mopar Crowd" to accept anything "outside of the box" regardless of how well a vehicle presents itself DAMHIK, ...myself I enjoy seeing projects like this rather than the cookie cutter OEM restorations that are basically dime a dozen, it's nice to see something that refreshes the hobby every now and then...job well done Dave and Steve B.
Mike
Personally, I enjoy all types of restorations.....It is nice to see something done way out of the norm.
Not everyone has the capabilities to just do a restoration and some it is a mere dream but knocking a restoration of any form or category brings one to a lesser standard in my books!
Those people, I have yet to be impressed......
Just to be clear I wasn't trying to be negative sometimes things just come across different one you type them.
I pointed out my favorite part of the car and what it reminded me of. That's why I asked if you would make factory style posters. I'd love the have a large print of the side profile. :yesnod:
Quote from: moparnation74 on May 04, 2017, 12:21:40 PM
It looks like what a "functional" four door cuda would have looked like.......You either like it or you don't but hey every year a new car comes out from a manufacturer that we either like or dislike....Really, enough with the crappy comparisons with models not even close.....
Fantastic build and great craftsmanship to build a "one of none" exactly like the factory would have rolled one out!
X2 :cheers: :2thumbs:
Not my cup of tea but he did do it justice.
I was thinking Hornet when I originally mentioned AMC.
Besides, the front passenger door would have to be 4" longer if the Pacer was an influence.
Quote from: Homerr on May 09, 2017, 10:27:46 AM
Besides, the front passenger door would have to be 4" longer if the Pacer was an influence.
The Car is 10 inches longer than a 2 Door Barracuda, with a Wheel Base of 118 inches.
(http://4doorcuda.com/blog/wp-content/uploads/2017/05/4door-undercar5-3.jpg)
Amazing work as always Dave and Steve ! I can't wait to check that thing out up close.
As I've said from the beginning, I love the things that are different. How many pristine, OE finish cars can one look at. I typically stop and admire the different things at shows that catch my eye and this would be one of those stops. Great job !
Dave, I was joking about how the passenger side Pacer door was 4" longer for better back seat access. :coolgleamA:
I don't know how the hell a Pacer even got brought up as a comparison. :shruggy: Other than the color being similar on the example posted, and the fact that both cars have round tires, there isn't a single thing that's even remotely close between this car and a Pacer. That brick of a Hornet would be closer I guess, if you were on a good crack high. :lol:
Good luck at the Battle of the Builders, I hope you win! :cheers:
The car has a sort of "Bubble" top to it. Yes, I am aware that it is part of the changes required to make it a 4 door. The enlarged roof does share some similarity with other cars that have a higher roof line.
Roofline at the C pillar looks wierd and not overly attractive. Not a fan of it but appreciate the work that's gone into it.
Quote from: Homerr on May 10, 2017, 01:08:52 PM
Dave, I was joking about how the passenger side Pacer door was 4" longer for better back seat access. :coolgleamA:
Was the Gremlin the same way or was that just the Pacer?
Love the 4 door build. Good luck in competition!
I'm still struggling with the notion that the top has to be "bubbled" up because it's a 4-door. I'm not following the logic behind that. If there was enough head room in a 2-door why is there all of a sudden not enough head room in a 4-door version? I realize there has to be enough head room in the rear door area for occupants to get in and out without hitting their head every time but that would appear to be achievable just by extending the rear door frame back, at the top (like was also done), not up as well. It almost seems like the upward extension may have been the result of trying to accommodate an existing door glass rather than having custom glass created (or somehow cutting down existing door glass) in order to maintain the current roof height. It may be that customizing door glass is extremely difficult, leaving no real good options. I do agree that the build appears to have been done very professionally, however.
Quote from: Kern Dog on May 10, 2017, 08:30:03 PM
The enlarged roof does share some similarity with other cars that have a higher roof line.
The Car doesn't have an "enlarged roof". We LOWERED the flat part of the roof about an inch & a half to compensate for also lowering the Belt Line at the base of the Windows. Nothing was "enlarged" on the Roof. We used the same configuration that Chrysler used on their 4 Door Cars.
(http://4doorcuda.com/blog/wp-content/uploads/2017/05/s-l1600-2.jpg)
Quote from: CRW-FK5 on May 11, 2017, 06:40:24 AM
I'm not following the logic behind that. If there was enough head room in a 2-door why is there all of a sudden not enough head room in a 4-door version?
Because in a 4 Door, the front seat does not fold forward to allow a Passenger to enter the Rear Seat. They enter from the Back Door and that area has to have enough headroom to comfortably get into the Rear Seat. We didn't do anything to the stock opening of the Window Openings. If you change ONE TINY aspect of the Window opening, the stock Glass will no longer work. When you mess with the height of the Window frames/openings, you change the opening size and the glass will no longer fit.
(http://4doorcuda.com/blog/wp-content/uploads/2017/05/01.jpe)
Dave, that explanation/tutorial was just too far advanced for some of the 4dr challenged members here :scratchchin: :icon_smile_big: maybe this pic helps them seeing it's the platform you used
Mike
Quote from: DAY CLONA on May 11, 2017, 04:53:46 PM
Dave, that explanation/tutorial was just too far advanced for some of the 4dr challenged members here :scratchchin: :icon_smile_big: maybe this pic helps them seeing it's the platform you used
Mike
Thanks Mike! The other point to remember is that we could not use the Windshield opening/surround section from a stock 4 Door B Body. We had to use the E Body Windshield surround section so the Firewall, Dash and related Trim would fit correctly. The 4 Door B Body Windshield was a completely different configuration than the E Body and would have limited what we were able to do or the directions we could go, once we merged the pieces together.
The outside half of the A Pillar is made from a B Body vehicle and the inner half (that surrounds the Windshield) is made from an E Body. We spiced the two section together to make a "one of a kind" A Pillar. Using the stock E Body Windshield made the height of the Roof line lower. It actually keeps the over all Roof appearance less "raised" looking. The B Body Windshield would have made the overall height look taller and it wouldn't have allowed the E body Dash/Cowl to fit properly.
(http://4doorcuda.com/blog/wp-content/uploads/2017/05/ECS12080.jpg)
Quote from: DAY CLONA on May 11, 2017, 04:53:46 PM
......maybe this pic helps them seeing it's the platform you used
Mike
This photo shows what we "basically" stated with. Everything in the picture had to also be altered to make the new design work. The Roof was completely cut apart and lowered about an inch & a half. The B Pillars had to be cut apart and reworked so the Doors and Hinges could function properly. The Door Hinges had to be cut apart and reshaped. The A Pillars had to be split and reworked so the Windshield would fit. The C Pillars had to be made from flat metal stock to connect the newly structured Roof and Quarters panels. The Rockers had to be extended and altered to accommodate the lengthened Floor Pans. From there, every single Body Component had to be altered to fit the changes that were made. It seemed like a never ending domino affect in the process. The construction of the Body was extremely difficult to fabricate because we did not have a Body to start with. Once the Doors were custom built, the Window Regulators, Internal Linkage for the Locks & Handles, Weatherstrip and Interior Panels all had to be made custom, from scratch. We basically became the Factory in this process and built a car that had never been engineered or manufactured.
(http://4doorcuda.com/blog/wp-content/uploads/2017/05/4-Door-Cuda-Start1.jpg)
The vinyl top, trim, and the blackout treatment soften the look overall. If you look at the pics provided of factory 4 door cars they show the differences clearly to match the contours of the cuda roof.
If your building a car that the factory considered to build at the time. Would you build based on what you want? Or would you build what Chrysler would have built based on what they produced at that time?
You either like it or you do not....Like buying a new car today, you purchase what you want or you don't. If the model line thrives than the manufacturer continues to build/improve on them.....
I appreciate Dave's build overall...In the beginning I just didn't see it and the roof line wasn't appealing but when the car got finished and the dressing up occurred. It looks good overall.
I've been trying to objectively identify what makes it look a little "off" here. Now I'm not trying to criticize the work done, because honestly, I think the feat Dave & guys pulled off is amazing. Some of the previous comments saying it looks like a fish bowl got me thinking, and I think I figured it out...two areas.
1) Since the E-body windshield was used, the top of the windshield is significantly shorter than the top of the door glass.
2) The upper edge of the rear doors cuts very high into the roof line.
(http://4doorcuda.com/wordpress4door/wp-content/uploads/2017/04/ECS12095-IYF.jpg)
The height of the original door glass matches the windshield...
(http://i.onfinite.com/QM8dtT7t.jpg)
I understand that the 4-door doors have a frame all the way around the windows, whereas the original one does not, so adding the frame to the doors would automatically add some height. However on the 4-door Barracuda, the glass AND the door frames have compounded the vertical area, which cuts higher into the roof line.
To fix that, the tops of the doors would need to be cut down a little...however that would be a huge PITA in itself, so I don't blame Dave & company in the slightest for leaving them alone. :)
Now looking at the upper edge of the rear doors, that area cuts into the roof line even more aggressively, due to the rear slope of the roof. To fix the look of that area, the upper rear edge of the rear door window & frame could be canted forward a little, to more closely match the angle of the back glass, OR the back glass (and sheet metal) could be stood up a little more...losing some of the fastback angle. But then it starts looking like less of a Barracuda, so that's a tough one.
Anyway, just my rambling thoughts on the subject. Carry on. :icon_smile_big:
Quote from: Charger_Fan on May 12, 2017, 12:40:49 PM
Now looking at the upper edge of the rear doors, that area cuts into the roof line even more aggressively, due to the rear slope of the roof.
You do realize that you're critiquing the actual Door Frame design that Chrysler actually used? We did not change ANYTHING in the design of the Window openings. We also didn't change ANYTHING in the configuration where the Door Frames mate with the top section of the roof.
(http://4doorcuda.com/blog/wp-content/uploads/2017/04/ECS12070-IYF.jpg)
Quote from: DAY CLONA on May 11, 2017, 04:53:46 PM
Dave, that explanation/tutorial was just too far advanced for some of the 4dr challenged members here :scratchchin: :icon_smile_big: maybe this pic helps them seeing it's the platform you used
Mike
I'll assume you're directing you comment to me regarding "4dr challenged member" so I'll address this question to you. The "advanced" depiction refers to a "passenger window lowered into altered frame opening" and the fact that it "does not fit" when altered, which is fairly obvious. Had this been an actual factory exercise, wouldn't they simply make a new window to what ever size they need (fitting the ideal opening) rather than try to make an existing glass or frame fit? Certainly if you're limited to using existing glass from another car you would have to compromise the design in some areas, which was the point of my question.
Quote from: CRW-FK5 on May 12, 2017, 03:33:24 PM
Quote from: DAY CLONA on May 11, 2017, 04:53:46 PM
Dave, that explanation/tutorial was just too far advanced for some of the 4dr challenged members here :scratchchin: :icon_smile_big: maybe this pic helps them seeing it's the platform you used
Mike
I'll assume you're directing you comment to me regarding "4dr challenged member" so I'll address this question to you. The "advanced" depiction refers to a "passenger window lowered into altered frame opening" and the fact that it "does not fit" when altered, which is fairly obvious. Had this been an actual factory exercise, wouldn't they simply make a new window to what ever size they need (fitting the ideal opening) rather than try to make an existing glass or frame fit? Certainly if you're limited to using existing glass from another car you would have to compromise the design in some areas, which was the point of my question.
Nope wasn't "directed" towards you, if it was I would have made it "addressed/quoted" to your post....carry on :icon_smile_big:
Quote from: Charger_Fan on May 12, 2017, 12:40:49 PM
I've been trying to objectively identify what makes it look a little "off" here. Now I'm not trying to criticize the work done, because honestly, I think the feat Dave & guys pulled off is amazing. Some of the previous comments saying it looks like a fish bowl got me thinking, and I think I figured it out...two areas.
1) Since the E-body windshield was used, the top of the windshield is significantly shorter than the top of the door glass.
Sometimes vehicles photographed at different angles affect a viewer's perception, sometimes the vehicle's "lines" or surrounding lines/objects can cause a different perception to different viewers
here's a line drawn from the top of the side glass to the front windshield (pic below)...a different perception perceived perhaps?
regardless of the individual perceptions presented/debated, I actually like the vehicle side C pillar profile, the roof line captures the Cuda's essences in that regard, had Dave and crew used the B body rear C pillar and rear glass, the Cuda would have lost some of it's signature styling cues...
On a humorous note, I think Dave should have opted for the true Mopar geezer 4 dr look, F8 green inside and out, slant 6 under the hood, dog dish hupcaps, that way he could endure the endless stories from observers about how their Granny, Mom, Dad or Uncle "had one just like it, back in the day", along with "the same color too!" :icon_smile_big: :nana:
Again great job! by Dave, Steve, and crew ...seriously!
Mike
Quote from: CRW-FK5 on May 12, 2017, 03:33:24 PM
Certainly if you're limited to using existing glass from another car you would have to compromise the design in some areas, which was the point of my question.
You have to remember that the new E Body was already on shaky ground when it was first released. Chrysler took all kinds of criticism for building a style of vehicle that was already on the way out with their Competition. It's very doubtful that they would have built a completely different Platform for a 4 Door version of their already existing Barracuda. When the Chrysler Execs looked at our Car and we told them what we had to do to make everything work, they said we may have uncovered the reason that they never moved forward with such a design. They weren't willing to come out with a totally new platform so they halted any ideas of manufacturing a 4 Door E Body for the Masses.
If we would have lowered the side profile of the Glass or Roofline, there would be criticism that the Car looked too long. We didn't have another Chrysler option to use, so we incorporated the type of design that they actually manufactured. Even using the same type of design required a substantial amount of custom modification to make everything work.
Hey Dave, What was the actual car that the door jambs and pillars came from? I thought I remember that it was a 71-74 Satellite?
Quote from: Kern Dog on May 12, 2017, 10:49:22 PM
Hey Dave, What was the actual car that the door jambs and pillars came from? I thought I remember that it was a 71-74 Satellite?
It was a 1972 (or 1973) Coronet. We never had a Car. It was basically this setup shown below but had the B Body "C" Pillars still attached when we got it. Someone had used the "Car" for donor Body Parts and left only a partial Hull.
(http://4doorcuda.com/blog/wp-content/uploads/2017/05/4-Door-Cuda-Start1.jpg)
Quote from: ECS on May 12, 2017, 10:15:34 PM
Quote from: CRW-FK5 on May 12, 2017, 03:33:24 PM
Certainly if you're limited to using existing glass from another car you would have to compromise the design in some areas, which was the point of my question.
You have to remember that the new E Body was already on shaky ground when it was first released. Chrysler took all kinds of criticism for building a style of vehicle that was already on the way out with their Competition. It's very doubtful that they would have built a completely different Platform for a 4 Door version of their already existing Barracuda. When the Chrysler Execs looked at our Car and we told them what we had to do to make everything work, they said we may have uncovered the reason that they never moved forward with such a design. They weren't willing to come out with a totally new platform so they halted any ideas of manufacturing a 4 Door E Body for the Masses.
If we would have lowered the side profile of the Glass or Roofline, there would be criticism that the Car looked too long. We didn't have another Chrysler option to use, so we incorporated the type of design that they actually manufactured. Even using the same type of design required a substantial amount of custom modification to make everything work.
Thanks for the deeper explanation. Certainly a great deal of thought and detail went into the project. Hope to see it myself one day.
Wow! You started with that?!! Did you have the rear doors? Is it coming to Carlisle?
Quote from: Bronzedodge on May 13, 2017, 11:06:48 AM
Wow! You started with that?!! Did you have the rear doors? Is it coming to Carlisle?
Yes, that's what we started with but even "that" was altered to make things work in the design. (See link below). The B Pillars had to be cut apart and restructured to fit the custom Door configurations. The Roof had to be cut apart and resection together. The A Pillars were cut apart and modified to fit the E Body Windshield shape. Regarding the Rear Doors, we did not have those and basically built them from scratch. We were able to use the a B Body inner Door structure to start with, cut it apart, reshape it and weld it back together so it would fit the custom fabricated rear Door Skins. Below is a link showing some of the work that had to be done to make the rear Doors. You can also see how the B Pillars were cut apart and the extensive reshaping that had to be done for everything to work properly. Steve Been was a Master Craftsman when it came to the metal design and fabrication.
It will be on displayed on a Lift, in the "T" Building at Carlisle this Summer. Thanks!
http://4doorcuda.com/blog/?m=201403
Quote from: ECS on May 12, 2017, 01:07:25 PM
Quote from: Charger_Fan on May 12, 2017, 12:40:49 PM
Now looking at the upper edge of the rear doors, that area cuts into the roof line even more aggressively, due to the rear slope of the roof.
You do realize that you're critiquing the actual Door Frame design that Chrysler actually used? We did not change ANYTHING in the design of the Window openings. We also didn't change ANYTHING in the configuration where the Door Frames mate with the top section of the roof.
Yes, I do realize that. It's the portion of the roof behind the rear doors that deviated from the roof that was initially designed for the doors. But I understand the reasoning for doing that, it was to try & keep the Barracuda back window looking like a Barracuda.
Quote from: DAY CLONA on May 12, 2017, 05:32:40 PM
here's a line drawn from the top of the side glass to the front windshield (pic below)...a different perception perceived perhaps?
Yes, that's pretty much what I'm thinking...if the tops of the doors were lowered below the red line & the chrome trim lowered to just above the red line, then to me at least, it seems that would work a little better.
BUT, like I said previously, to do that would be a huge PITA, and I don't blame them for leaving the tops of the doors as they are. :) And you may be right, in that I may be perceiving the look differently than others.
Quote from: ECS on May 12, 2017, 11:50:57 PM
Quote from: Kern Dog on May 12, 2017, 10:49:22 PM
Hey Dave, What was the actual car that the door jambs and pillars came from? I thought I remember that it was a 71-74 Satellite?
It was a 1972 (or 1973) Coronet.
That helps. :) Here's a '72 Coronet sedan...
(http://i.onfinite.com/f1h0gX7t.jpg)
So as Dayclona said (and I agree)...
Quoteregardless of the individual perceptions presented/debated, I actually like the vehicle side C pillar profile, the roof line captures the Cuda's essences in that regard, had Dave and crew used the B body rear C pillar and rear glass, the Cuda would have lost some of it's signature styling cues...
If the rear roof line of the Coronet was used on the Barracuda, it would have lost a lot of what makes the Cuda look like a Cuda. So I agree that it was best to not to try to make the rear portion of the Coronet roof fit the Cuda, it would probably look really odd.
Anyway, all that aside, I still say that making this 4-door Barracuda look as great as it does, is quite an amazing feat! Make sure to show off your Carlisle pics when you get there. :cheers:
Quote from: Charger_Fan on May 12, 2017, 12:40:49 PM
I've been trying to objectively identify what makes it look a little "off" here. Now I'm not trying to criticize the work done, because honestly, I think the feat Dave & guys pulled off is amazing. Some of the previous comments saying it looks like a fish bowl got me thinking, and I think I figured it out...two areas.
1) Since the E-body windshield was used, the top of the windshield is significantly shorter than the top of the door glass.
2) The upper edge of the rear doors cuts very high into the roof line.
(http://4doorcuda.com/wordpress4door/wp-content/uploads/2017/04/ECS12095-IYF.jpg)
The height of the original door glass matches the windshield...
(http://i.onfinite.com/QM8dtT7t.jpg)
I understand that the 4-door doors have a frame all the way around the windows, whereas the original one does not, so adding the frame to the doors would automatically add some height. However on the 4-door Barracuda, the glass AND the door frames have compounded the vertical area, which cuts higher into the roof line.
To fix that, the tops of the doors would need to be cut down a little...however that would be a huge PITA in itself, so I don't blame Dave & company in the slightest for leaving them alone. :)
Now looking at the upper edge of the rear doors, that area cuts into the roof line even more aggressively, due to the rear slope of the roof. To fix the look of that area, the upper rear edge of the rear door window & frame could be canted forward a little, to more closely match the angle of the back glass, OR the back glass (and sheet metal) could be stood up a little more...losing some of the fastback angle. But then it starts looking like less of a Barracuda, so that's a tough one.
Anyway, just my rambling thoughts on the subject. Carry on. :icon_smile_big:
Eyes are drawn to the shiny trim, not the upper edge of the side glass.
Therefore, the windshield appears way lower than the side glass. :Twocents:
Yeah, that last pic seals it, the rear side glass is way too tall, looks odd and detracts from the overall car.
Still an amazing feat of engineering though.
I applaud the engineering and craftsmanship, but hate the car as it is a joke.
....bit harsh but I here ya. Apart from the very wrong mismatch of glass heights the part I could not live with is the A pillar...or more specifically the chrome trim on the A pillar....makes the pillar looks twisted...unlike in the two door version with the parallel strips. Superb engineering as already said.....but could have been "prettier".
Quote from: 303 Mopar on May 16, 2017, 03:43:01 PM
I applaud the engineering and craftsmanship, but hate the car as it is a joke.
Tact is an amazing thing to have. It appears that you may be lacking.
The owner has been professional/respectful here in despite of a few nasty comments!
Could we all try to do the same....the drama is the past and the car has come to fruition. Like it or love it but either way it is an amazing build overall.....
There are many and I mean many concept cars that can be picked apart in great detail. Concepts typically are not appealing......So when one goes to a large event where one of these past concepts come forward. Do you rip that car apart in front of that owners face?
Quote from: moparnation74 on May 17, 2017, 09:22:18 AM
The owner has been professional/respectful here in despite of a few nasty comments!
Could we all try to do the same....the drama is the past and the car has come to fruition. Like it or love it but either way it is an amazing build overall.....
There are many and I mean many concept cars that can be picked apart in great detail. Concepts typically are not appealing......So when one goes to a large event where one of these past concepts come forward. Do you rip that car apart in front of that owners face?
Maybe "joke" was a bit harsh, so I apologize for that comment. Again, I think the engineering and skill level to build a car like this is amazing. I just do not like the car at all, just my opinion.
There are plenty of people at shows/events that pick my cars apart and others that are above and beyond the quality of my cars. I could show them even more things that are not 100% right than what they have found or think they know. I drive my cars and build them for the street to have fun, not to trailer around so none of them are perfect. It is hard and almost impossible to build a concept car that appeals to all. Even the new Demon gets bashed by some people.
Quote from: moparnation74 on May 17, 2017, 09:22:18 AM
......So when one goes to a large event where one of these past concepts come forward. Do you rip that car apart in front of that owners face?
Those who critique the Windows & Roof are not used to seeing a 4 Door example of the Barracuda. They're accustom to seeing the 2 Door versions and have nothing else to base their opinion on. When you look at the other 4 Door cars that have a 2 Door counterparts, they all exhibit the same type of characteristics that our 4 Door has. Since people are conditioned and accepting of cars were actually built, the differences hardly register. The appearance is either liked or it's not.
Speaking of a "large event", I found this scenario to be hilarious. When we unveiled the Car in Vegas, not ONE person came up to me and criticized the vehicle. I had a few people ask "why" but they did so in a respectful, non-condocending manner. Anyway, we unveiled the Car on Friday night. The next day, someone forwarded me a link to a Forum, where people were already ridiculing the Car. The funny part about it was that the pictures posted on the Forum, were taken at the event by the OP. They were there in person and standing within a few feet of me! Think about that! They probably had approached me, complimented the car in person, only to go back to their Hotel and start posting their insults. I cannot even imagine the gutless demeanor it takes to be that way. You gotta love the internet. It's the place where the small can act Large and cowards transformed into Warriors.
Well put....I do usually try and think "would I say this to his face" before I drop a post. Most of the time I would or edit the post accordingly. Some folks however, who are clearly just plain stupid, ignorant or both....unfortunately pass through that particular filter....and I cant stop myself....and I hit "POST".
Just like to stress that the above comment relates in no way to the builder in this thread!!!
Quote from: ECS on May 17, 2017, 10:43:36 AM
Quote from: moparnation74 on May 17, 2017, 09:22:18 AM
......So when one goes to a large event where one of these past concepts come forward. Do you rip that car apart in front of that owners face?
Those who critique the Windows & Roof are not used to seeing a 4 Door example of the Barracuda. They're accustom to seeing the 2 Door versions and have nothing else to base their opinion on. When you look at the other 4 Door cars that have a 2 Door counterparts, they all exhibit the same type of characteristics that our 4 Door has. Since people are conditioned and accepting of cars were actually built, the differences hardly register. The appearance is either liked or it's not.
Speaking of a "large event", I found this scenario to be hilarious. When we unveiled the Car in Vegas, not ONE person came up to me and criticized the vehicle. I had a few people ask "why" but they did so in a respectful, non-condocending manner. Anyway, we unveiled the Car on Friday night. The next day, someone forwarded me a link to a Forum, where people were already ridiculing the Car. The funny part about it was that the pictures posted on the Forum, were taken at the event by the OP. They were there in person and standing within a few feet of me! Think about that! They probably had approached me, complimented the car in person, only to go back to their Hotel and start posting their insults. I cannot even imagine the gutless demeanor it takes to be that way. You gotta love the internet. It's the place where the small can act Large and cowards transformed into Warriors.
:2thumbs: Well stated and my point exactly...Speaking of face to face when will you be in Dallas so I can get you the first drink!
That's really lame that someone spoke to you in person, then went all "keyboard commando" afterward. Some people just suck that way, I guess.
Quote from: Charger_Fan on May 17, 2017, 12:30:39 PM
That's really lame that someone spoke to you in person, then went all "keyboard commando" afterward. Some people just suck that way, I guess.
I'm not sure if they actually spoke to me or not. The point is that I was standing right there, they had to know it was me and they didn't have the guts to say it to my face. I'm given all kinds of grief on the internet in the way I talk and when some of these people have the chance to approach me in person, they decide not to. Anyone who knows me is aware that I am the exact same on the phone, on the internet or in person. I'm probably "worse" in person because I can react much faster than I can type.
Any plans to make one of those 8 door, airport limo things from a Cuda?
Kidding. :lol: Nice work, though, will it be at Carlisle?. :cheers:
Quote from: Old Moparz on May 17, 2017, 02:12:20 PM
Any plans to make one of those 8 door, airport limo things from a Cuda?
Kidding. :lol: Nice work, though, will it be at Carlisle?. :cheers:
:scratchchin:
Quote from: Old Moparz on May 17, 2017, 02:12:20 PM
.......will it be at Carlisle?. :cheers:
Yes. Here is a link that lists all the events we will be attending with the car.
http://4doorcuda.com/
Although I can appreciate the effort to do it. But sorry, not a fan .
From straight in from the side its not to bad, but that 3/4 front view really shows the height differences between the side glass and windshield and the goofy C pillar shape. It makes it looks twisted and plain weird
Quote from: gtx6970 on May 18, 2017, 04:44:52 PM
Although I can appreciate the effort to do it. But sorry, not a fan .
From straight in from the side its not to bad, but that 3/4 front view really shows the height differences between the side glass and windshield and the goofy C pillar shape. It makes it looks twisted and plain weird
Of all the Cars we've done, this is the first that has earned a primary Cover spot in a National Magazine. We've also been told that Hot Rod will be doing a Cover & feature article in one of their upcoming Magazines. I can honesty say that my appreciation for twisted and weird has greatly increased these past few weeks. :2thumbs:
I'll just leave this here.....
Quote from: A12 Superbee on May 22, 2017, 12:14:23 AM
I'll just leave this here.....
That windshield is higher than the side glass. It looks like even Chrysler couldn't decide which way to go when it came to 4 Door Glass symmetry. This windshield trim height on the one below is lower.
(http://4doorcuda.com/blog/wp-content/uploads/2017/05/s-l1600-2.jpg)
Dave,
I noticed the same thing on that blue 4 door. The windshield height is even with the drip rail trim, which means the window frame had to be below that which makes it so the glass is lower to fit into the frame. I guess its whatever Chrysler decided to "make it work" to build the car and no set example would be the rule.
Quote from: resq302 on May 28, 2017, 04:36:29 AMto build the car and no set example would be the rule.
More like "non-symmetry" would be the rule :icon_smile_big: 2 or 4 dr, as seen even here on this 2 dr model
Quote from: DAY CLONA on May 28, 2017, 11:31:01 AM
More like "non-symmetry" would be the rule :icon_smile_big: 2 or 4 dr, as seen even here on this 2 dr model
Speaking of "rules", there was a recent debate on another Forum concerning the way Chrysler handled their Concept Programs. A few individuals tried to say that Concept vehicles were built with absolute transparency within the Chrysler Corporation. That could not be farther from the truth. The majority of Concept Cars were meant to be concealed from the Public, as well as some people who worked within the Corporation. When I presented quotes from General Motors Concept Managers, telling how they didn't tell anyone about the Concepts they built, I was told that Chrysler was different than GM and you couldn't use information from those Executives to prove similarities within Chrysler. The fact of the matter is that ALL Car Manufacturers acted in a similar fashion. Mannerisms in the Automotive Industry were very similar regardless of the Brand.
Below is a quote (and link) about the process leading up to the production of the new Dodge Demon. Keep in mind that this radical Car was not a Concept and was intended to be a production car from the start. Some things never change.
https://www.cnet.com/roadshow/news/dodge-demon-secrecy-and-a-cartoon-made-srt-challenger-reality/#ftag=COS-04-10aaa1a%23ftag=COS-04-10aaa1a
"When it came time to develop the 2018 Dodge Challenger SRT Demon, the team behind it knew they had to keep the car out of sight -- not just from the the rest of the world, but internally, as well. To make that happen, they had to keep its very existence a secret, with core knowledge limited to just a few dozen people."
Quote from: ECS on May 18, 2017, 09:19:23 PMWe've also been told that Hot Rod will be doing a Cover & feature article in one of their upcoming Magazines.
Here is an article from the Hot Rod Magazine Website.
http://www.hotrod.com/articles/mopar-made-4-door-barracuda-think-yes/
Good job :coolgleamA: & congratulations :cheers:
I don't see how anything COULD be wrong with this car. Since it is the only one EVER built it must be the benchmark. :Twocents:
Your craftsmanship is awesome. Nice work.
However, I must ask WHY? It's not my taste but I respect the top notch work.
Again though, WHY? A Cuda was always a "tough guy car" in my opinion. When I look at the side view I don't see a cuda.
Quote from: Bobs69 on June 24, 2017, 07:53:35 PM
Your craftsmanship is awesome. Nice work. However, I must ask WHY?
Thank you for your comments. The simple answer as to "why" is because I wanted to build it.
I like them Black too with a shaker, very cool.
Great article Dave!
I still need to get by your place and check this thing out in person.
:cheers: :2thumbs:
Quote from: hemigeno on June 26, 2017, 09:57:28 AM
Great article Dave!
I still need to get by your place and check this thing out in person.
:cheers: :2thumbs:
Thanks Gene! You know that you're welcome to stop by anytime. We will be taking the car to Carlisle in a couple of weeks and I will be doing a seminar about the build of it on Saturday. You may have noticed that Roger Johnson is a writer for Hot Rod Magazine and actually did the article on the Car. I don't think he sounds nearly as senile and crazy as a few have made him out to be. To this day, he's still quite certain about the 1970 4 Door Concept Barracuda that he witnessed in 1969.
Quote from: Bobs69 on June 24, 2017, 07:53:35 PM
Your craftsmanship is awesome. Nice work.
However, I must ask WHY? It's not my taste but I respect the top notch work.
Again though, WHY? A Cuda was always a "tough guy car" in my opinion. When I look at the side view I don't see a cuda.
I think every manufacturer toyed around with 4 door concepts of popular models in days past to include such icons as Mustang and Corvette.
Quote from: hemigeno on June 26, 2017, 09:57:28 AM. Great article Dave!
I still need to get by your place and check this thing out in person.
Just got your message late this evening and will call you tomorrow Gene. On a separate note, here are a few photos of the new vehicle Brochure that I had made for this Project. I took a nice original example, had all the pages scanned and graphically altered to include a 4 Door Barracuda for the 1970 Chrysler (model) lineup. I kept the theme as close to the original as possible and integrated the 4 Door information to make it appear as if the Brochure was authentic and real. I had 2500 quality Brochures, printed by a professional Graphic Source. They coincides with all of the other "authentic" paperwork that was reproduced for this car.
Below are a few comparison pictures of the pages that were altered. Some of the other pages were unaltered because the information did not apply to this Project vehicle. Here are comparisons between the original and the "updated" reproduction Brochure. The reproduction is on the top (or left in the first photo) and the original is on the bottom. We will be handing these out at the Carlisle Show for anyone who wants one. Thanks!
(http://4doorcuda.com/blog/wp-content/uploads/2017/06/20170629_121657.jpg)
(http://4doorcuda.com/blog/wp-content/uploads/2017/06/20170629_121850.jpg)
(http://4doorcuda.com/blog/wp-content/uploads/2017/06/20170629_121925.jpg)
(http://4doorcuda.com/blog/wp-content/uploads/2017/06/20170629_121950.jpg)
I'm waiting on a 4 door Corvette, Mustang or Camaro. :scratchchin:
Quote from: ACUDANUT on July 01, 2017, 11:26:48 AM
I'm waiting on a 4 door Corvette, Mustang or Camaro. :scratchchin:
They exist.....
Quote from: DAY CLONA on July 01, 2017, 12:43:14 PM
Quote from: ACUDANUT on July 01, 2017, 11:26:48 AM
I'm waiting on a 4 door Corvette, Mustang or Camaro. :scratchchin:
They exist.....
I believe EXISTED is the proper term. To my knowledge none got past clay mockup ( ala the mustang shown ) stage to produce a running driving car. I vaguely remember seeing a 4 door clay example of a 1968 Javelin and maybe even a 67-68 Camaro years ago. But dont believe ANY went any farther than the fullsize clay mockups stage.
Quote from: gtx6970 on July 01, 2017, 02:23:29 PM
Quote from: DAY CLONA on July 01, 2017, 12:43:14 PM
Quote from: ACUDANUT on July 01, 2017, 11:26:48 AM
I'm waiting on a 4 door Corvette, Mustang or Camaro. :scratchchin:
They exist.....
I believe EXISTED is the proper term. To my knowledge none got past clay mockup ( ala the mustang shown ) stage to produce a running driving car. I vaguely remember seeing a 4 door clay example of a 1968 Javelin and maybe even a 67-68 Camaro years ago. But dont believe ANY went any farther than the fullsize clay mockups stage.
Agreed, most were styling exercises, but they did exist in some shape or form at some time, I believe the Corvette America may have been the only truly functional 4dr, a total of 5 were built (out sourced) for GM, GM had intentions of 40 units per year starting in 1980 but the program never saw fruition, some of the surviving 4dr Vettes fetch in the $250-$300K range when they come up for sale
Quote from: gtx6970 on July 01, 2017, 02:23:29 PM
I vaguely remember seeing a 4 door clay example of a 1968 Javelin and maybe even a 67-68 Camaro years ago. But dont believe ANY went any farther than the fullsize clay mockups stage.
(http://4doorcuda.com/blog/wp-content/uploads/2015/02/AMX_Station_Wagon.jpg)
(http://4doorcuda.com/blog/wp-content/uploads/2015/01/361941-1000-0.jpg)
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Quote from: DAY CLONA on July 01, 2017, 12:43:14 PMThey exist.....
We're just getting back from the recent Carlisle Event. The Show went great and everyone made it back safe & sound. One of the things I find hilarious was the naysayers who spent years giving me grief about the project but didn't have the guts to walk up and have a face to face conversation at the Show. Not ONE of the "negative" people approached me, identified themselves or told me they were the one of the individuals who "debated" with me on the forums. I've seen where they have recently posted pictures of my car, were standing within a few feet of me but didn't take the time to walk up and present the same criticisms in person. A few people did identify themselves but were those who have been positive and supportive about the project. It was very nice meeting you, placing a face with the name and I enjoyed our conversations.
For those who continue to play the coward by coming back after the Show to continue your gutless attacks, your opinions mean nothing. You proved what you are by the fact that you didn't have the guts to voice your opinion in person. One of the pleasant surprises from the Show was talking to 3 different people who said to have seen proof of the actual concept car. Two of the 3 said that they saw the black & white styling photo of the car and the other said they had also seen the actual Concept vehicle. Building the car may have been the catalyst for uncovering the information that many have been requesting.
Quote from: ECS on July 19, 2017, 07:18:35 AM
Quote from: DAY CLONA on July 01, 2017, 12:43:14 PMThey exist.....
We're just getting back from the recent Carlisle Event. The Show went great and everyone made it back safe & sound. One of the things I find hilarious was the naysayers who spent years giving me grief about the project but didn't have the guts to walk up and have a face to face conversation at the Show. Not ONE of the "negative" people approached me, identified themselves or told me they were the one of the individuals who "debated" with me on the forums. I've seen where they have recently posted pictures of my car, were standing within a few feet of me but didn't take the time to walk up and present the same criticisms in person. A few people did identify themselves but were those who have been positive and supportive about the project. It was very nice meeting you, placing a face with the name and I enjoyed our conversations.
For those who continue to play the coward by coming back after the Show to continue your gutless attacks, your opinions mean nothing. You proved what you are by the fact that you didn't have the guts to voice your opinion in person. One of the pleasant surprises from the Show was talking to 3 different people who said to have seen proof of the actual concept car. Two of the 3 said that they saw the black & white styling photo of the car and the other said they had also seen the actual Concept vehicle. Building the car may have been the catalyst for uncovering the information that many have been requesting.
Where are these attacks after the show you are referring to Dave? Can you provide links to those sites in question?
I only peruse a couple mopar forums and I have not seen anything there?
If they are doing such man cannot people just let things go...and the same goes for both sides of that street...
Glad, the show went well for you guys......
Quote from: moparnation74 on July 19, 2017, 12:39:30 PM
Where are these attacks after the show you are referring to Dave? Can you provide links to those sites in question?
Hi Justin! I hope you're doing well. For the record, I didn't go out and try to find the forums that are involved with the two faced back biting. Other Enthusiasts forwarded me the links and I get a good laugh when I read them. One is FBBO, another is Moparts and a couple others are not worth mentioning. They continue to try and say I'm "lying" because I have shared the information provided to me by the people who said they saw the Car. I have not "lied" about anything. I simply shared the information as it was provided to me. Someone also claimed I "lied" about the manner in which the car was built because I said we started with nothing more than a conceptual idea and had to accumulate the parts to build it. I'm not sure what issues they have with the truth but they obviously do. We started with "nothing". We didn't have a car to use at the start of this build. We had to collect the components necessary to build it from the ground up. Even the partial hull that we used for structural parts had to be completely cut apart and altered to facilitate our design.
Anyway, the publicity is WAY beyond anything that the "haters" can comprehend. I met a well known Publisher who awarded us the "celebrity award" as the Show and he is working to have 7 different Publications cover the Car. I'll provide addition details as they unfold but this has become bigger than anything I could have imagined. The Discovery Channel people have become involved and the coverage keeps growing. Below is a video that a Gentleman took at the Show. This is where one hater claimed that I "lied" because I said that we started with "nothing but a conceptual idea". I find it peculiar that these people that were not part of the build, they know "nothing" about it but attempt to correct me about what we did. Like I said, we had "nothing" when this project started. There was no car. There was no design to follow. We had to create it one piece at a time, in conjunction with the Engineering parameters that it took to build it. If they don't like that explanation.....tough. They should have had the guts to confront me in person and ask whatever questions they are obviously confused about. Instead, they choose to act like wash women, gossiping and twisting the facts on the internet.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YrIjyr-liMU&t=228s
Quote from: ECS on July 19, 2017, 01:08:01 PM
Quote from: moparnation74 on July 19, 2017, 12:39:30 PM
Where are these attacks after the show you are referring to Dave? Can you provide links to those sites in question?
Hi Justin! I hope you're doing well. For the record, I didn't go out and try to find the forums that are involved with the two faced back biting. Other Enthusiasts forwarded me the links and I get a good laugh when I read them. One is FBBO, another is Moparts and a couple others are not worth mentioning. They continue to try and say I'm "lying" because I have shared the information provided to me by the people who said they saw the Car. I have not "lied" about anything. I simply shared the information as it was provided to me. Someone also claimed I "lied" about the manner in which the car was built because I said we started with nothing more than a conceptual idea and had to accumulate the parts to build it. I'm not sure what issues they have with the truth but they obviously do. We started with "nothing". We didn't have a car to use at the start of this build. We had to collect the components necessary to build it from the ground up. Even the partial hull that we used for structural parts had to be completely cut apart and altered to facilitate our design.
Anyway, the publicity is WAY beyond anything that the "haters" can comprehend. I met a well known Publisher who awarded us the "celebrity award" as the Show and he is working to have 7 different Publications cover the Car. I'll provide addition details as they unfold but this has become bigger than anything I could have imagined. The Discovery Channel people have become involved and the coverage keeps growing. Below is a video that a Gentleman took at the Show. This is where one hater claimed that I "lied" because I said that we started with "nothing but a conceptual idea". I find it peculiar that these people that were not part of the build, they know "nothing" about it but attempt to correct me about what we did. Like I said, we had "nothing" when this project started. There was no car. There was no design to follow. We had to create it one piece at a time, in conjunction with the Engineering parameters that it took to build it. If they don't like that explanation.....tough. They should have had the guts to confront me in person and ask whatever questions they are obviously confused about. Instead, they choose to act like wash women, gossiping and twisting the facts on the internet.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YrIjyr-liMU&t=228s
I haven't seen the one on FBBO...Can you forward that link?
Moparts, who cares, lol.....
All is well here.....Just let the "naysayers" do as they please.....Sure, it is hard for you to not chime in but Why? They are just trolling.....and if you dont bite I bet those threads just die quickly.....
It is not their car nor their money....but I bet if they did build it and spent their own money they would be acting differently...The ole "shoe on the other foot".....
Quote from: moparnation74 on July 19, 2017, 02:00:40 PM
I haven't seen the one on FBBO...Can you forward that link? It is not their car nor their money....
Hi Justin. It was forwarded to me in a link and I'm not going to waste the time sifting through my emails to find it. I believe it was in the general section and called something like "I don't know how
your going to like this". I remember that who ever started the thread, didn't incorporate the correct usage of the word "You're". Those are some really "smart folks" over there! LOL I don't understand how these upstanding individuals claim that I'm the trouble maker but THEY go out of their way to start these threads, and obsess over something they claim is so insignificant & unimportant. If they continue to keep posting how unimportant it is, I'm probably going to have worldwide recognition in the next few days. I guess I should thank them for spending so much of their time trying to convince others how insignificant and stupid this project really is.
Some men have short cocks and because of that, they spend their time insulting another mans work. :lol:
Quote from: Kern Dog on July 19, 2017, 03:43:07 PM
Some men have short cocks and because of that, they spend their time insulting another mans work. :lol:
Here's the hilarious thing about it. They spent YEARS on the internet lecturing and criticizing me. Fast forward to this Show. They were there and had the perfect opportunity to confront me. (I was hoping they would.) They took pictures that had me in the frame! They were standing within a few feet of me and didn't have the guts to approach me and complain in person. They all go by weird names, so I wouldn't know who they were if they walked by me. I'll bet that some of them may have walked up, shook my hand praising what a great car it was. Then they get behind the safety of their keyboard and start their crap again. I would rather be dead than to know I was that big of a coward.
Even if a few people had the balls to come up and talk trash, would you really want to deal with them? Many people that criticize are losers that have never built anything but a sandwich. Consider the source... :cheers:
Quote from: Kern Dog on July 19, 2017, 05:31:56 PM
Even if a few people had the balls to come up and talk trash, would you really want to deal with them?
I understand what you're saying but it would never get to the "talk trash" stage that they've done on the internet. I had ALL the progression pictures of the build to refute ANY of the ridiculous accusations that they constantly try to spin. Like I said earlier, there were 3 additional people at the Show who also had seen either a Factory Photo or the actual Concept Car many years ago. One guy said he had read all the garbage on the internet but didn't want to get involved in the mess. He said he knew he would cross paths with me one day and tell his story. He said that 25 years ago when he worked for Chrysler (he lives in Detroit) that he held the black & white "file photo" and saw it for himself. Another Gentleman who worked for Chrysler said that he had also seen the drawing when he visited one of the Top Chrysler Executives many years ago. Are they all lying about it as well? They seemed to have been quite sure of what they said they witnessed.
My dad and I looked at the car up close in person at Carlisle this past weekend. I've been following your build since you started and thought that the idea was awesome from the beginning. When I found out that it was going to be at Carlisle, I told my dad about it and all of the negative Nancys on all of the forums. When he saw it in person, he really got a kick out of it, not only with the concept itself but the great workmanship. He says he thinks that they would have sold well had they produced them. :2thumbs:
Quote from: ECS on July 19, 2017, 03:37:04 PM
Quote from: moparnation74 on July 19, 2017, 02:00:40 PM
I haven't seen the one on FBBO...Can you forward that link? It is not their car nor their money....
Hi Justin. It was forwarded to me in a link and I'm not going to waste the time sifting through my emails to find it. I believe it was in the general section and called something like "I don't know how your going to like this". I remember that who ever started the thread, didn't incorporate the correct usage of the word "You're". Those are some really "smart folks" over there! LOL I don't understand how these upstanding individuals claim that I'm the trouble maker but THEY go out of their way to start these threads, and obsess over something they claim is so insignificant & unimportant. If they continue to keep posting how unimportant it is, I'm probably going to have worldwide recognition in the next few days. I guess I should thank them for spending so much of their time trying to convince others how insignificant and stupid this project really is.
http://www.forbbodiesonly.com/moparforum/threads/i-dont-know-how-your-going-to-take-this.134468/#post-910722599
The views appear to be split 50/50 over in this thread....Similar to the thread here.....Heck only 15 posted LOL so no one seems to care.....it is not like it is 30 pages or more...
I do not see the usage of "you're" unless it got edited later....There are a lot of good people over on that forum and it is rather childish to mock a whole site based on a couple of knuckle heads.
Dave honestly you have got to stop taking the bait from these people and ignore it....Even the ones forwarding threads to you....Enjoy the car and take it everywhere....No matter what kind of car it is people will have good things to say and others will have not so good things to say.....
BTW this is a very very very very very quite forum....not a lot of traffic and very few daily postings....Why is that?
Quote from: moparnation74 on July 19, 2017, 07:05:19 PM
There are a lot of good people over on that forum and it is rather childish to mock a whole site based on a couple of knuckle heads.
I didn't "mock" the whole site. I was referencing the person who started the insulting thread and those who followed his lead. I'm sure it isn't 30 pages because it was only posted 24 hours ago. If "no one" seemed to care, the thread never would have been started and "half" of the people wouldn't have posted on it. "No one" would be ZERO. I'm also surprised that anyone is even posting on that thread because the site owner threatened to ban anyone who even mentioned the project. For the record Justin, that thread wasn't started as "bait". Had I not been forwarded the link I never would have known about it. I just find it odd that many of the people over there wanted me to "go away" yet they continue to bring me up. Is it me they wanted gone or are they just wanting to bash someone without them being able to respond to their garbage? They're cowards.
And the reference to the word "You're" is actually in the title of the thread. They used the word "YOUR" when it should have read "YOU'RE". I only point that out because I find it comical that someone took the initiative to criticize my work of more than 6 years and they couldn't even use proper English (in a short sentence of less than 10 words) to do it. :lol:
I think a lot of this drama could have been avoided if the car had been painted green. :coolgleamA: :Twocents:
Quote from: BDF on July 19, 2017, 08:11:01 PM
I think a lot of this drama could have been avoided if the car had been painted green. :coolgleamA: :Twocents:
I think I mentioned that earlier in some post/thread, triple F8 green inside and out, poverty caps and a slant 6, and the Mopar brethen would have been in a circle jerk... :rofl:
All kidding aside, Dave you just need to avoid the bait (although it's easier said than done DAMHIK), it doesn't matter when, how, why or what you've built/said or done, there's always going to be haters for whatever reason, your accomplishments past and present speak for themselves... I still hear/read grief, love or hate 15 yrs later for what I did with a few nosecones and wings on a couple of 71 B bodies... life's too short to dwell on it, besides the mob always moves on to it's next distraction, enjoy the fruits of your labour
Again, job well done! wish I could have seen it in person...
Mike
Quote from: DAY CLONA on July 19, 2017, 09:43:50 PM
Again, job well done! wish I could have seen it in person...
Thanks Mike. I know that you and Justin are right. I'm really not upset at the comments that are being made after this Show. Too many great things are happening. I just find it funny that NONE of them had the guts to approach me in person. Like I said earlier, this Project has taken off in a direction that I never imagined. It's moved way past anything that the "haters" can affect at this point. The next few months will be fun! :2thumbs:
Quote from: ECS on July 19, 2017, 07:55:59 PM
Quote from: moparnation74 on July 19, 2017, 07:05:19 PM
There are a lot of good people over on that forum and it is rather childish to mock a whole site based on a couple of knuckle heads.
I didn't "mock" the whole site. I was referencing the person who started the insulting thread and those who followed his lead. I'm sure it isn't 30 pages because it was only posted 24 hours ago. If "no one" seemed to care, the thread never would have been started and "half" of the people wouldn't have posted on it. "No one" would be ZERO. I'm also surprised that anyone is even posting on that thread because the site owner threatened to ban anyone who even mentioned the project. For the record Justin, that thread wasn't started as "bait". Had I not been forwarded the link I never would have known about it. I just find it odd that many of the people over there wanted me to "go away" yet they continue to bring me up. Is it me they wanted gone or are they just wanting to bash someone without them being able to respond to their garbage? They're cowards.
And the reference to the word "You're" is actually in the title of the thread. They used the word "YOUR" when it should have read "YOU'RE". I only point that out because I find it comical that someone took the initiative to criticize my work of more than 6 years and they couldn't even use proper English (in a short sentence of less than 10 words) to do it. :lol:
I am camped at that forum everyday and didn't hear about or see that thread until you mentioned it. So when only 15 people responded the point I am trying to make is FBBO has TONS of traffic versus this dead site and with only 15 posts that thread will disappear. A lot will view it and just won't even post in that nonsense banter....
If you want it removed I would be glad to talk to Joey for you?
The grammar thing aside because really who cares....The part that irritates me is the constant "reposting" a thread just to illicit negativity. The best thing for you to do Dave is do not even respond to the keyboard Cowboys here or anywhere.....Even if you do not respond in that thread just responding here those "cowboys" surf the forums and Wallah a thread is created or a nasty comment....Thats the "bait" I am referring to...you see a thread on another forum and then you post here, they take that bait and post on Moparts or another forum....They are just trolls...
Best thing is just simply ignore them and stop digging at them on another forum...as you can see it doesn't work or get better...Someone has to be the bigger person here...
Wow--
It is coming back as a smack down.
I gave up long ago hoping it would all wash out.
Who is flexing again here?? And for what value??
Is this not why --all the controversy happened? I have posted about this car/project many times in the past. It was -never- about the car project. It was about the posters smug attitude in how he responded to critique.
Here we go again.
Dave--you are god like . You have money and can do what most of us cannot. We get it--
Quote from: moparnation74 on July 19, 2017, 10:52:04 PMBest thing is just simply ignore them
You're right Justin. Like I said, I'm not really upset about anything that they say anymore. I find it funny that they're still so bothered. There are so many people who like the car and the few who continue to criticize it are inconsequential. The project has moved far beyond anything they can hinder. Thanks for the friendly advice Justin. :2thumbs:
Quote from: ws23rt on July 19, 2017, 11:37:05 PM
......the posters smug attitude in how he responded to critique.
I sincerely apologize that I didn't respond with a kiss when kicked in the teeth.
:cheers:
Quote from: ECS on July 19, 2017, 11:44:14 PM
Quote from: moparnation74 on July 19, 2017, 10:52:04 PMBest thing is just simply ignore them
You're right Justin. Like I said, I'm not really upset about anything that they say anymore. I find it funny that they're still so bothered. There are so many people who like the car and the few who continue to criticize it are inconsequential. The project has moved far beyond anything they can hinder. Thanks for the friendly advice Justin. :2thumbs:
:cheers: :2thumbs:
Quote from: moparnation74 on July 19, 2017, 10:52:04 PM
Quote from: ECS on July 19, 2017, 07:55:59 PM
Quote from: moparnation74 on July 19, 2017, 07:05:19 PM
There are a lot of good people over on that forum and it is rather childish to mock a whole site based on a couple of knuckle heads.
I didn't "mock" the whole site. I was referencing the person who started the insulting thread and those who followed his lead. I'm sure it isn't 30 pages because it was only posted 24 hours ago. If "no one" seemed to care, the thread never would have been started and "half" of the people wouldn't have posted on it. "No one" would be ZERO. I'm also surprised that anyone is even posting on that thread because the site owner threatened to ban anyone who even mentioned the project. For the record Justin, that thread wasn't started as "bait". Had I not been forwarded the link I never would have known about it. I just find it odd that many of the people over there wanted me to "go away" yet they continue to bring me up. Is it me they wanted gone or are they just wanting to bash someone without them being able to respond to their garbage? They're cowards.
And the reference to the word "You're" is actually in the title of the thread. They used the word "YOUR" when it should have read "YOU'RE". I only point that out because I find it comical that someone took the initiative to criticize my work of more than 6 years and they couldn't even use proper English (in a short sentence of less than 10 words) to do it. :lol:
I am camped at that forum everyday and didn't hear about or see that thread until you mentioned it. So when only 15 people responded the point I am trying to make is FBBO has TONS of traffic versus this dead site and with only 15 posts that thread will disappear. A lot will view it and just won't even post in that nonsense banter....
If you want it removed I would be glad to talk to Joey for you?
The grammar thing aside because really who cares....The part that irritates me is the constant "reposting" a thread just to illicit negativity. The best thing for you to do Dave is do not even respond to the keyboard Cowboys here or anywhere.....Even if you do not respond in that thread just responding here those "cowboys" surf the forums and Wallah a thread is created or a nasty comment....Thats the "bait" I am referring to...you see a thread on another forum and then you post here, they take that bait and post on Moparts or another forum....They are just trolls...
Best thing is just simply ignore them and stop digging at them on another forum...as you can see it doesn't work or get better...Someone has to be the bigger person here...
This "dead site" still averages over 2.5 million page views a month. Yes, new threads and new posts have dropped off from years past but our unique visits and total hits have been consistent. If you notice, the number of useless posts in Off Topic has dropped significantly so that's not a bad thing! When I noticed it I verified that other site have seen similar results. I have all the data. :2thumbs:
Troy
Quote from: Troy on July 20, 2017, 01:36:37 PM
Quote from: moparnation74 on July 19, 2017, 10:52:04 PM
Quote from: ECS on July 19, 2017, 07:55:59 PM
Quote from: moparnation74 on July 19, 2017, 07:05:19 PM
There are a lot of good people over on that forum and it is rather childish to mock a whole site based on a couple of knuckle heads.
I didn't "mock" the whole site. I was referencing the person who started the insulting thread and those who followed his lead. I'm sure it isn't 30 pages because it was only posted 24 hours ago. If "no one" seemed to care, the thread never would have been started and "half" of the people wouldn't have posted on it. "No one" would be ZERO. I'm also surprised that anyone is even posting on that thread because the site owner threatened to ban anyone who even mentioned the project. For the record Justin, that thread wasn't started as "bait". Had I not been forwarded the link I never would have known about it. I just find it odd that many of the people over there wanted me to "go away" yet they continue to bring me up. Is it me they wanted gone or are they just wanting to bash someone without them being able to respond to their garbage? They're cowards.
And the reference to the word "You're" is actually in the title of the thread. They used the word "YOUR" when it should have read "YOU'RE". I only point that out because I find it comical that someone took the initiative to criticize my work of more than 6 years and they couldn't even use proper English (in a short sentence of less than 10 words) to do it. :lol:
I am camped at that forum everyday and didn't hear about or see that thread until you mentioned it. So when only 15 people responded the point I am trying to make is FBBO has TONS of traffic versus this dead site and with only 15 posts that thread will disappear. A lot will view it and just won't even post in that nonsense banter....
If you want it removed I would be glad to talk to Joey for you?
The grammar thing aside because really who cares....The part that irritates me is the constant "reposting" a thread just to illicit negativity. The best thing for you to do Dave is do not even respond to the keyboard Cowboys here or anywhere.....Even if you do not respond in that thread just responding here those "cowboys" surf the forums and Wallah a thread is created or a nasty comment....Thats the "bait" I am referring to...you see a thread on another forum and then you post here, they take that bait and post on Moparts or another forum....They are just trolls...
Best thing is just simply ignore them and stop digging at them on another forum...as you can see it doesn't work or get better...Someone has to be the bigger person here...
This "dead site" still averages over 2.5 million page views a month. Yes, new threads and new posts have dropped off from years past but our unique visits and total hits have been consistent. If you notice, the number of useless posts in Off Topic has dropped significantly so that's not a bad thing! When I noticed it I verified that other site have seen similar results. I have all the data. :2thumbs:
Troy
Your data means nothing to me.....Reminds me of Poll data.....
Its your own little world, all of your making....
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Quote from: Troy on July 20, 2017, 01:36:37 PM
Quote from: moparnation74 on July 19, 2017, 10:52:04 PM
Quote from: ECS on July 19, 2017, 07:55:59 PM
Quote from: moparnation74 on July 19, 2017, 07:05:19 PM
There are a lot of good people over on that forum and it is rather childish to mock a whole site based on a couple of knuckle heads.
I didn't "mock" the whole site. I was referencing the person who started the insulting thread and those who followed his lead. I'm sure it isn't 30 pages because it was only posted 24 hours ago. If "no one" seemed to care, the thread never would have been started and "half" of the people wouldn't have posted on it. "No one" would be ZERO. I'm also surprised that anyone is even posting on that thread because the site owner threatened to ban anyone who even mentioned the project. For the record Justin, that thread wasn't started as "bait". Had I not been forwarded the link I never would have known about it. I just find it odd that many of the people over there wanted me to "go away" yet they continue to bring me up. Is it me they wanted gone or are they just wanting to bash someone without them being able to respond to their garbage? They're cowards.
And the reference to the word "You're" is actually in the title of the thread. They used the word "YOUR" when it should have read "YOU'RE". I only point that out because I find it comical that someone took the initiative to criticize my work of more than 6 years and they couldn't even use proper English (in a short sentence of less than 10 words) to do it. :lol:
I am camped at that forum everyday and didn't hear about or see that thread until you mentioned it. So when only 15 people responded the point I am trying to make is FBBO has TONS of traffic versus this dead site and with only 15 posts that thread will disappear. A lot will view it and just won't even post in that nonsense banter....
If you want it removed I would be glad to talk to Joey for you?
The grammar thing aside because really who cares....The part that irritates me is the constant "reposting" a thread just to illicit negativity. The best thing for you to do Dave is do not even respond to the keyboard Cowboys here or anywhere.....Even if you do not respond in that thread just responding here those "cowboys" surf the forums and Wallah a thread is created or a nasty comment....Thats the "bait" I am referring to...you see a thread on another forum and then you post here, they take that bait and post on Moparts or another forum....They are just trolls...
Best thing is just simply ignore them and stop digging at them on another forum...as you can see it doesn't work or get better...Someone has to be the bigger person here...
This "dead site" still averages over 2.5 million page views a month. Yes, new threads and new posts have dropped off from years past but our unique visits and total hits have been consistent. If you notice, the number of useless posts in Off Topic has dropped significantly so that's not a bad thing! When I noticed it I verified that other site have seen similar results. I have all the data. :2thumbs:
Troy
Your data means nothing to me.....Reminds me of Poll data.....
Its your own little world, all of your making....
Unlike opinion polls, this is factual data recorded in the sever and network logs as requests come in. It's actually recorded in four places - including the company that sends me the bill for hosting the server. I will be happy to forward all traffic to your home IP address and see if your internet connection can handle the load. :D
Troy
How has this thread degenerated into this childish school yard name calling...it's just about the car. You either like it or you don't...and either is fine. Car choice is a very personal thing. As I intimated in an earlier post it's not my cup of Darjeeling...but you can't fail to be impressed by the skill it took to make. When I reveal my 69 I think...no...I KNOW lots of you will not like it....hence no build thread like I've done on other cars....and I don't possess 10% of this builder's skills....but is what I want and I'm footing the bill....so when the time comes I will listen to the comments...say thanks for the nice one, ignore the bad ones and life goes on. The mistake made here it's the builder and others rising to the bait. Now I, of course, have no power here but if I was in Uncle Troys shoes I might be thinking that this stays on topic or gets locked/deleted which would be a pity.....but I think it does us no favours as a group when some future searcher stumbles on this thread and the bickering....might put them off a very good forum for good. Rant over..it's nearly midnight here and I've had a crap day!
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Quote from: moparnation74 on July 20, 2017, 02:08:00 PM
Quote from: Troy on July 20, 2017, 01:36:37 PM
Quote from: moparnation74 on July 19, 2017, 10:52:04 PM
Quote from: ECS on July 19, 2017, 07:55:59 PM
Quote from: moparnation74 on July 19, 2017, 07:05:19 PM
There are a lot of good people over on that forum and it is rather childish to mock a whole site based on a couple of knuckle heads.
I didn't "mock" the whole site. I was referencing the person who started the insulting thread and those who followed his lead. I'm sure it isn't 30 pages because it was only posted 24 hours ago. If "no one" seemed to care, the thread never would have been started and "half" of the people wouldn't have posted on it. "No one" would be ZERO. I'm also surprised that anyone is even posting on that thread because the site owner threatened to ban anyone who even mentioned the project. For the record Justin, that thread wasn't started as "bait". Had I not been forwarded the link I never would have known about it. I just find it odd that many of the people over there wanted me to "go away" yet they continue to bring me up. Is it me they wanted gone or are they just wanting to bash someone without them being able to respond to their garbage? They're cowards.
And the reference to the word "You're" is actually in the title of the thread. They used the word "YOUR" when it should have read "YOU'RE". I only point that out because I find it comical that someone took the initiative to criticize my work of more than 6 years and they couldn't even use proper English (in a short sentence of less than 10 words) to do it. :lol:
I am camped at that forum everyday and didn't hear about or see that thread until you mentioned it. So when only 15 people responded the point I am trying to make is FBBO has TONS of traffic versus this dead site and with only 15 posts that thread will disappear. A lot will view it and just won't even post in that nonsense banter....
If you want it removed I would be glad to talk to Joey for you?
The grammar thing aside because really who cares....The part that irritates me is the constant "reposting" a thread just to illicit negativity. The best thing for you to do Dave is do not even respond to the keyboard Cowboys here or anywhere.....Even if you do not respond in that thread just responding here those "cowboys" surf the forums and Wallah a thread is created or a nasty comment....Thats the "bait" I am referring to...you see a thread on another forum and then you post here, they take that bait and post on Moparts or another forum....They are just trolls...
Best thing is just simply ignore them and stop digging at them on another forum...as you can see it doesn't work or get better...Someone has to be the bigger person here...
This "dead site" still averages over 2.5 million page views a month. Yes, new threads and new posts have dropped off from years past but our unique visits and total hits have been consistent. If you notice, the number of useless posts in Off Topic has dropped significantly so that's not a bad thing! When I noticed it I verified that other site have seen similar results. I have all the data. :2thumbs:
Troy
Your data means nothing to me.....Reminds me of Poll data.....
Its your own little world, all of your making....
Unlike opinion polls, this is factual data recorded in the sever and network logs as requests come in. It's actually recorded in four places - including the company that sends me the bill for hosting the server. I will be happy to forward all traffic to your home IP address and see if your internet connection can handle the load. :D
Troy
Anything from you is..... Well, less than factual.....
Play with my IP and you will see what will come out of the state of Texas......If you cannot afford to operate the forum, there are others that will.. People that do not make ignorant comments as you did in your last statement...People willing to upgrade it from the dark ages ....People with the ingenuity, drive, and integrity to run a forum at 2017 standards.....I mean crap you have to go through hurdles to post a picture and it's 2017, lol....
Save you usual statement well it would cost the members or you will have all these ads..blah blah blah.....
Before this gets too far out of hand, I'm going to suggest that everyone think before you post. :Twocents: We should be a lot smarter and not go down the road this thread is headed.
I just saw the video about this car and understand why red was chosen as well as a LOT more about the car now. Also, I was kidding about the 'green'. I do not ever intend to offend anyone though I have made poorly thought out comments on a couple of vehicles I have seen (the very customized Viper & odd red/black Daytona clone for sale) and apologise for that and I will strive to be more respectful in the future.
It is my opinion that ECS deserves ALL the success and awards being EARNED by the attention to detail and craftsmanship put in to their builds. I think sanctioned judging results matter more than opinions. :cheers:
What's next?
:popcrn:
Quote from: moparnation74 on July 20, 2017, 06:25:48 PM
..If you cannot afford to operate the forum, there are others that will.. People that do not make ignorant comments as you did in your last statement...People willing to upgrade it from the dark ages ....People with the ingenuity, drive, and integrity to run a forum at 2017 standards.....I mean crap you have to go through hurdles to post a picture and it's 2017, lol....
Save you usual statement well it would cost the members or you will have all these ads..blah blah blah.....
Every so often, there are posts that are insightful as to the real person behind the keyboard.
This is like complaining that you didn't like the FREE music at the end of the FREE podcast that you enjoy. :smilielol:
Quote from: Aero426 on July 20, 2017, 10:06:38 PM
Quote from: moparnation74 on July 20, 2017, 06:25:48 PM
..If you cannot afford to operate the forum, there are others that will.. People that do not make ignorant comments as you did in your last statement...People willing to upgrade it from the dark ages ....People with the ingenuity, drive, and integrity to run a forum at 2017 standards.....I mean crap you have to go through hurdles to post a picture and it's 2017, lol....
Save you usual statement well it would cost the members or you will have all these ads..blah blah blah.....
Every so often, there are posts that are insightful as to the real person behind the keyboard.
This is like complaining that you didn't like the FREE music at the end of the FREE podcast that you enjoy. :smilielol:
I bask in insightfulness :2thumbs: as far as the "real" person goes...Don't ASSUME...you just may be wrong but thats your loss not mine :2thumbs:
Uhh is free music really free? Terrible analogy....
Quote from: BDF on July 20, 2017, 08:51:32 PM
It is my opinion that ECS deserves ALL the success and awards being EARNED by the attention to detail and craftsmanship put in to their builds.
Thank you for your comment. It's funny you mentioned a "green car" because we swapped out the green convertible from the original brochure and inserted a green variation of our 4 Door, in the brochure I had made up. One other point I want to make (this is not directed at your comments) is that the car was never built because we found a story about Chrysler building one. We decided to build a 4 Door Barracuda LONG before ever finding the article written by Roger Johnson. I have no idea why I continue to be the target for being called a "liar", with respect to those who claim to have seen the actual Concept Car. I didn't make up anything. I have simply shared the information exactly the way that it has been presented to me by those people.
One thing is for sure, we've come a LONG way from the day that someone claimed that "nobody" was making Concept 4 Doors of their 2 Door Sports cars. Since then, I have PROVED that there was a Concept 4 Door Mustang, a 4 Door AMC Javelin, a 4 Door Corvette, a 4 Door Camaro and even presented an independent article from a 1969 Magazine that specifically talked about the "new" 1970 4 Door Barracuda. Besides Roger Johnson's account of the car, I also had 3 other people (from the Show) who claimed to have seen the actual car or Chrysler Press photo of the 4 Door Barracuda. If someone doesn't wish to believe those accounts, that's fine. But let's be completely clear that I have never "lied" about anything that relates to the information I have received, passed along or the actual build of the car.
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Dave,
Great to finally meet you out in Carlisle ! You are in person just as you are here on the board and not in any way different. The car is an absolute magnificent build that I'm sure no one would ever be able to out do. The special details like the flyers, car brochure, etc was a cool touch. I really had to look through it to spot the differences. I can't wait to see what comes out of all those media contacts you've made from the car being on display out there. I'm sure that this is only the tip of the iceberg for this car ! Just sit back and enjoy the ride now.
Quote from: resq302 on July 22, 2017, 11:21:11 PM
Dave,
Great to finally meet you out in Carlisle ! You are in person just as you are here on the board and not in any way different..........Just sit back and enjoy the ride now.
Thanks Brian. I certainly will. The link you sent on the fbbo forum is still going on. LOL. There is a person there that goes by ws23jrt that is either mentally deficient or doesn't understand what the word "root" means. He continues to claim that I'm the "root" of the problem/controversy because I chose to stand up to their initiating, trouble making remarks. They don't seem to understand that when a person is attacked for no reason whatsoever, that person might just fight back. I wonder how they would have reacted If I went on one of their threads, about their cars, unsolicited and started criticizing the things they said or did? The hypocrisy is hilarious.
Again, the cowards were within a few feet of me at the Show, were afraid to confront me in person and then went home to start their garbage from behind their keyboard. Whoever signed in over there to state what has happened (B Body Billy?) THANK YOU for doing so. It's about time these trouble makers are called out for the rude instigators that they are.
There are a couple of idiots on fbbo. It's best to ignore them.
Never argue with an idiot, they will only bring you down to their level and beat you with experience.
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Quote from: resq302 on July 22, 2017, 11:21:11 PM
Dave,
Great to finally meet you out in Carlisle ! You are in person just as you are here on the board and not in any way different..........Just sit back and enjoy the ride now.
Thanks Brian. I certainly will. The link you sent on the fbbo forum is still going on. LOL. There is a person there that goes by ws23jrt that is either mentally retarded or doesn't understand what the word "root" means. He continues to claim that I'm the "root" of the problem/controversy because I chose to stand up to their initiating, trouble making remarks. They don't seem to understand that when a person is attacked for no reason whatsoever, that person might just fight back. I wonder how they would have reacted If I went on one of their threads, about their cars, unsolicited and started criticizing the things they said or did? The hypocrisy is hilarious.
Again, the cowards were within a few feet of me at the Show, were afraid to confront me in person and then went home to start their garbage from behind their keyboard. Whoever signed in over there to state what has happened (B Body Billy?) THANK YOU for doing so. It's about time these trouble makers are called out for the rude instigators that they are.
The bickering on both sides needs to stop.....The few posting negative comments about your car on multiple forums and you coming back and continually cracking back at them...
You have defended your position enough and obviously others are not going to change.....It is a waste of your time and energy to deal with these people.
Just like dealing with a THIEF now that is a complete IDIOT! :popcrn:
My opinion doesnt matter, but i think the car is cool as heck, you wanted it so you built it :2thumbs: people are just jealous
Quote from: moparnation74 on July 24, 2017, 07:48:39 AM
The bickering on both sides needs to stop.....The few posting negative comments about your car on multiple forums and you coming back and continually cracking back at them...
You have defended your position enough and obviously others are not going to change.....It is a waste of your time and energy to deal with these people.
I think it's up to me to decide when I've defended my situation "enough" Justin. I've noticed that you too confront and bicker with anyone who crosses you in a manner that you don't feel is appropriate. (Like the comments directed at Troy for the traffic this forum receives which had nothing to do with you personally). It's easy to sit back and judge others when you're not in the line of fire. Just like the car I built, it's my time and my energy to waste if that's what I choose to do. There are times I sit back and say nothing and times I decide to fight back. I learned a long time ago in this Hobby that when you sit back and let instigators re-write your history, you end up spending ten times the amount of time going back to correct their garbage information.
I think it's time that those who continue to perpetuate the harassment, slander and stalking of this project for destructive purposes, be held accountable for their actions.
Quote from: ECS on July 24, 2017, 11:06:34 AM
Quote from: moparnation74 on July 24, 2017, 07:48:39 AM
The bickering on both sides needs to stop.....The few posting negative comments about your car on multiple forums and you coming back and continually cracking back at them...
You have defended your position enough and obviously others are not going to change.....It is a waste of your time and energy to deal with these people.
I think it's up to me to decide when I've defended my situation "enough" Justin. I've noticed that you too confront and bicker with anyone who crosses you in a manner that you don't feel is appropriate. (Like the comments directed at Troy for the traffic this forum receives which had nothing to do with you personally). It's easy to sit back and judge others when you're not in the line of fire. Just like the car I built, it's my time and my energy to waste if that's what I choose to do. There are times I sit back and say nothing and times I decide to fight back. I learned a long time ago in this Hobby that when you sit back and let instigators re-write your history, you end up spending ten times the amount of time going back to correct their garbage information.
I think it's time that those who continue to perpetuate the harassment, slander and stalking of this project for destructive purposes, be held accountable for their actions.
It was a suggestion Dave, are you not humble enough to take advice? We all do the defense myself included...I would expect you as I did to point that out in a legitimate manner but not for comparison purposes...Geez just trying to help a "friend".....and your so defensive, bro....but I understand how these people frustrate you...
"Presumptuousness leads only to strife,+
But wisdom belongs to those who seek advice"
I have been on the firing end many times...That is why I can relate to your situation....
As far as traffic goes man FBBO is smoking today 321 viewing the site and only 4 bots :2thumbs:
Quote from: moparnation74 on July 24, 2017, 11:34:52 AM
It was a suggestion Dave, are you not humble enough to take advice?
Of course I am Justin. Part of the problem is that some think that I'm suppose to think the way they think, believe what they believe and do what they want me to do. I'm not one to place myself in another person's personal affairs. I see HUNDREDS of posts where I could give my "critique" but why would I? If people are happy doing what they want with their situation, then I'm happy for them. That's one of the things I never understood about this Project. Why did complete strangers make it personal to themselves (in a negative way) when they were never asked to spend a second of their time or penny from their pocket on it? Do people really not have anything better to do with their life than obsess and put their nose in other people's business? I guess not......... :shruggy:
Quote from: ECS on July 24, 2017, 01:55:16 PM
Quote from: moparnation74 on July 24, 2017, 11:34:52 AM
It was a suggestion Dave, are you not humble enough to take advice?
Of course I am Justin. Part of the problem is that some think that I'm suppose to think the way they think, believe what they believe and do what they want me to do. I'm not one to place myself in another person's personal affairs. I see HUNDREDS of posts where I could give my "critique" but why would I? If people are happy doing what they want with their situation, then I'm happy for them. That's one of the things I never understood about this Project. Why did complete strangers make it personal to themselves (in a negative way) when they were never asked to spend a second of their time or penny from their pocket on it? Do people really not have anything better to do with their life than obsess and put their nose in other people's business? I guess not......... :shruggy:
True....
Quote from: resq302 on July 22, 2017, 11:21:11 PM
I can't wait to see what comes out of all those media contacts you've made from the car being on display out there. I'm sure that this is only the tip of the iceberg for this car !
Some of the coverage started right before the Show and others are just now starting to surface. We also should be in the Hemming's Magazine sometime soon, along with a few other International Publications. The day we left for the Carlisle Show, I found out that we were accepted to compete in the SEMA Battle of the Builders Competition. It should be fun!
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Great to hear that Dave!(Steve B included!)...enjoy the fruits of your labour, and relish in the limelight...OK enough puns :icon_smile_big: great job as expected
Mike
I got the latest issue of hot rod magazine and there's nothing in it about your car. Just the other two. Wtf
Luke
Quote from: lukedukem on August 08, 2017, 06:22:29 PM
I got the latest issue of hot rod magazine and there's nothing in it about your car. Just the other two. Wtf
Luke
Yea, just the cover photo. They hosed your article man.
Quote from: HPP on August 09, 2017, 08:48:07 AM
Yea, just the cover photo. They hosed your article man.
I'm not sure why it wasn't in this issue. They did write an article (linked below) that has been running on their website for the past couple of months. There are other articles being written by the Gentleman in the video posted below. His name is Rich Truesdell and he is a reputable writer for the Automotive World.
https://vimeo.com/227200271
http://www.motortrend.com/staff/rich-truesdell/
http://www.hotrod.com/articles/mopar-made-4-door-barracuda-think-yes/
Quote from: lukedukem on August 08, 2017, 06:22:29 PM
I got the latest issue of hot rod magazine and there's nothing in it about your car......
I received an email from the Editor-In-Chief at HOT ROD saying there was an ""unfortunate production mistake" in this months Magazine. They are running the story in the up-coming December issue, which will be out in October. The "mix-up" will allow us additional/double coverage right before the SEMA event in November.
Quote from: ECS on August 09, 2017, 02:07:17 PM
Quote from: lukedukem on August 08, 2017, 06:22:29 PM
I got the latest issue of hot rod magazine and there's nothing in it about your car......
I received an email from the Editor-In-Chief at HOT ROD saying there was an ""unfortunate production mistake" in this months Magazine. They are running the story in the up-coming December issue, which will be out in October. The "mix-up" will allow us additional/double coverage right before the SEMA event in November.
Congrats on the cover shot on Hot Rod. Your car project deserves coverage such as this.
I look forward to how they handle the story of your build.
QuoteQuote from: lukedukem on Yesterday at 02:22:29 PM
I got the latest issue of hot rod magazine and there's nothing in it about your car......
I received an email from the Editor-In-Chief at HOT ROD saying there was an ""unfortunate production mistake" in this months Magazine. They are running the story in the up-coming December issue, which will be out in October. The "mix-up" will allow us additional/double coverage right before the SEMA event in November.
Yea, I flipped went through it three times trying to find anything on the car. I thought I had finally lost complete touch with realiity and just put it down. Argh - I'm going to read the Petty article and then toss it.
Quote from: ws23rt on August 09, 2017, 06:09:43 PM
Congrats on the cover shot on Hot Rod. Your car project deserves coverage such as this.
I look forward to how they handle the story of your build.
Thank you very much!
Ahh. Ok. so thats who that guy was who they were videoing going around your car. Really cool and down to earth guy. Wealth of knowledge about cars and other automotive stuff.
I'm looking forward to the whole story of this build in Hot Rods upcoming print article.
If Hot Rod chooses to include the controversy that followed this build it would sell lots of copies.
I have read many stories behind car builds and this one has an extra spark/interest from the beginning. People (the public) like soaps--it sells.
Quote from: Kern Dog on March 26, 2017, 01:08:36 PM
I have seen this topic discussed here and several other sites. Some places have guys tossing around some real ignorant criticism.
Hi Greg. I want to Thank You for taking the time to follow up and ask questions. You had started a few threads asking about the SEMA Show. On the FBBO forum they shut you down pretty quick. More concerning than the "criticism" has been the lies that continue to be circulated about this car and what we did. Someone had claimed that I fabricated "stories" concerning the history of this Concept. They obviously have confused "sharing information" with fabricating lies. I've never expressed a single lie about the Concept history I shared regarding this car. Roger Johnson wrote about what he saw in 1969. Mechanix Illustrated (October 1969) wrote a couple of commentaries where they mentioned that Plymouth manufactured a "NEW" 4 Door Barracuda for 1970. A few past Chrysler Employees said they had either seen the Concept car or saw a Black & White photo of the car. I SHARED that information with others. I never fabricates falsehoods about ANYTHING that I shared. Whether someone chooses to believe the information I provided is a different story but to say I lied about what I shared is 100% false.
Someone had also claimed that I was "selling" the Factory Brochures of the 4 Door Barracuda that I had printed. That was an absolute lie. I had T Shirts, Brochures and Literature printed that advertised the car. We GAVE these items away at the Shows FOR FREE to anyone who wanted to take them. FOR FREE!!!! We NEVER charged anyone a penny for the items we spent thousands of dollars on to have printed and given away at the Shows.
We even had a guy named Dan Pausch tell us that we used the wrong rear seat design for a Barracuda that came with a front bench seat. They avoid telling me in person but do it from behind their keyboard........how typical. And this guy is supposedly a "Senior Judge" for an OE judging program? What a joke. The same rear seat design was used for a bench seat, that was used for a bucket seat design. The point is that MANY people have fabricated falsehoods about the manner that this car was presented, how it has been promoted and the manner in which it was built. We're currently at the MCACN Show and as usual, not ONE "internet critic" will walk up to me and discuss the issues they have spent YEARS criticizing me about. For the record, the SEMA Show was fantastic. The car was received quite well and was filmed for 4 different Velocity Shows to be aired in the next few months.
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I'll take Dan Short any day over Worman.
I saw the car at MCACN this past weekend. Fantastic job Dave! Thanks for the tour.....the crazy amount of work, detail... and of course money that went into the car is way above and beyond a ground up restoration. Kudo's to you and Steve on the endeavor :2thumbs:
The only thing that did not have to be figured out and custom fabricated was the Barracuda emblem on the fender!
Cheers :cheers:
Jim Bodanis
Quote from: maxwellwedge on November 20, 2017, 09:17:52 AM
I saw the car at MCACN this past weekend.
Cheers :cheers:
Jim Bodanis
Thanks Jim! It was great getting to see & talk to you this weekend. It's always a pleasure spending time with you and catching up on things. Your cars (as always) are awesome!! I just walked back to the Hotel from the Convention Center (a few minuets ago) and saw that your PERFECT 1969 Yenko Camaro was still sitting a few yards from where we were displayed. I hope you didn't forget to take it Home with you!?!?! If so, I will GLADLY load it up in our trailer and bring it back to St. Louis. :2thumbs: :lol:
Hey Dave,
Nice meeting the whole crew that got my A12 Bee up to snuff with that dead-nuts on perfect exhaust, much needed glass, and the necessary decals I needed for a few harnesses. As promised, I'll forward pics to you. Thanks again and amazing work on that car!!
Cheers
Dave
Quote from: 68RRFlyer on November 21, 2017, 10:38:35 AM
Hey Dave,
Nice meeting the whole crew that got my A12 Bee up to snuff with that dead-nuts on perfect exhaust, much needed glass, and the necessary decals I needed for a few harnesses. As promised, I'll forward pics to you. Thanks again and amazing work on that car!!
Cheers
Dave
You're too kind Dave! Your car was an absolute work of art. I am humbled that you chose our products to use on your Masterpiece. It was gorgeous!!! :2thumbs: I really appreciate you taking the time to forward the photos. I will proudly display them on our website. Have a safe and Happy Thanksgiving Dave!
Quote from: ECS on November 20, 2017, 11:09:51 AM
Quote from: maxwellwedge on November 20, 2017, 09:17:52 AM
I saw the car at MCACN this past weekend.
Cheers :cheers:
Jim Bodanis
Thanks Jim! It was great getting to see & talk to you this weekend. It's always a pleasure spending time with you and catching up on things. Your cars (as always) are awesome!! I just walked back to the Hotel from the Convention Center (a few minuets ago) and saw that your PERFECT 1969 Yenko Camaro was still sitting a few yards from where we were displayed. I hope you didn't forget to take it Home with you!?!?! If so, I will GLADLY load it up in our trailer and bring it back to St. Louis. :2thumbs: :lol:
Thanks Dave. I know the Camaro is in good hands now - in MO - Lol!
Frank B and I were speaking last night and we both realized that we forgot to ask how the mat project is coming along.
Again - great job - a HUGE effort!
Quote from: maxwellwedge on November 22, 2017, 08:47:01 AM
Thanks Dave. I know the Camaro is in good hands now - in MO - Lol!
Frank B and I were speaking last night and we both realized that we forgot to ask how the mat project is coming along.
Again - great job - a HUGE effort!
Thanks Jim. It sounds like the Yenko will be with Mr. Gibson for a while. Roger will be stopping by my Office today so I'll get to ask him about it firsthand. As far as the trunk mats are concerned, I think I have FINALLY found a quality rubber supplier. Things should start progressing quickly now. I promise they will be "as good" as the originals. No more having to spend thousands on NOS units!
Quote from: ECS on November 19, 2017, 01:26:21 AM
Quote from: Kern Dog on March 26, 2017, 01:08:36 PM
I have seen this topic discussed here and several other sites. Some places have guys tossing around some real ignorant criticism.
Someone had also claimed that I was "selling" the Factory Brochures of the 4 Door Barracuda that I had printed. That was an absolute lie. I had T Shirts, Brochures and Literature printed that advertised the car. We GAVE these items away at the Shows FOR FREE to anyone who wanted to take them. FOR FREE!!!! We NEVER charged anyone a penny for the items we spent thousands of dollars on to have printed and given away at the Shows.
We even had a guy named Dan Pausch tell us that we used the wrong rear seat design for a Barracuda that came with a front bench seat. They avoid telling me in person but do it from behind their keyboard........how typical. And this guy is supposedly a "Senior Judge" for an OE judging program? What a joke. The same rear seat design was used for a bench seat, that was used for a bucket seat design. The point is that MANY people have fabricated falsehoods about the manner that this car was presented, how it has been promoted and the manner in which it was built. We're currently at the MCACN Show and as usual, not ONE "internet critic" will walk up to me and discuss the issues they have spent YEARS criticizing me about. For the record, the SEMA Show was fantastic. The car was received quite well and was filmed for 4 different Velocity Shows to be aired in the next few months.
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Dave,
If you were selling the stuff then I must have stolen a whole bunch of stuff at Carlisle. Lol. Seriously though, everyone there was telling people to take the flyers and other stuff like the shirts. Everything was FREE!!!
its about as cool as seeing a restored 4 door satellite. kinda wonder why??? but respect the time and work that went into it. :shruggy:
Quote from: resq302 on November 22, 2017, 01:17:28 PM
If you were selling the stuff then I must have stolen a whole bunch of stuff at Carlisle. Lol. Seriously though, everyone there was telling people to take the flyers and other stuff like the shirts. Everything was FREE!!!
You must be talking about things said on the "other" forum. This garbage happens all the time. I have never charged a penny to anyone who took our FREE T Shirts, Brochures or other handouts. Some people start threads about me & my car, spend days ignorantly criticizing phantom aspects and when I finally decide to RESPOND to their instigating remarks, they claim that I'M the one who starts the confrontations. They are mentally retarded in their reasoning or are just arrogant fools that think they're above reproach. Then I'm told not to "take it personal". If someone had a Neighbor that walked up and proactively (without solicitation) said how wrong you decorated your House or how you screwed up your front lawn landscaping, would you take it personal? Some of these people are idiots!
One person who I refer to as "the Shell answer man" had the crass to say that I used the "wrong" rear seat in my 4 door project. He said I should have made the front edge of the rear seat, match the stock front edge of the front bucket seat. Based on what? I decided to use the standard design rear seat that was used with a standard bench seat on MY project, funded with MY money and built on MY time. This arrogant idiot seemed to think HE was somehow empowered to tell me what I should have done. Keep in mind that they say I'M the arrogant one because I have the audacity to RESPOND to those that act like they have more authority on MY projects than I do. Even more hilarious is when he said the back seat should have exhibited a "custom" design but then claimed the "custom 118 inch wheelbase" should have exhibited a stock design. He completely contradicted his own "logic" for how the car should have been built. Who made him the "Design Leader" for areas of MY never built custom car? For the record, the wheelbase IS a stock Chrysler configuration for a 4 door vehicle. It's NOT custom! I have made it perfectly clear that the car was built on a 1972-1976 4 door Coronet platform. And what's the "stock" wheelbase on a 4 door Coronet? 118 inches! I guess the "Shell answer man" was wrong on all fronts. I guarantee he's wrong about ANYTHING that I decide is correct for MY custom projects. And some have claimed that these guys are the most knowledgeable about E body cars "on the Planet"? What Planet? Mars, Jupiter or some other place with a population of zero?
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One thing is as clear as a bell. Dave is on top of the mountain of -the 4 Door Barracuda- It is all his.
No better 4 door barracuda has ever been made. It is the gem that all that follow will be judged by. This is OE correct period. Any critique? :slap:
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Quote from: ECS on November 22, 2017, 11:13:36 AM
Quote from: maxwellwedge on November 22, 2017, 08:47:01 AM
Thanks Dave. I know the Camaro is in good hands now - in MO - Lol!
Frank B and I were speaking last night and we both realized that we forgot to ask how the mat project is coming along.
Again - great job - a HUGE effort!
Thanks Jim. It sounds like the Yenko will be with Mr. Gibson for a while. Roger will be stopping by my Office today so I'll get to ask him about it firsthand. As far as the trunk mats are concerned, I think I have FINALLY found a quality rubber supplier. Things should start progressing quickly now. I promise they will be "as good" as the originals. No more having to spend thousands on NOS units!
That's great news!!....I know you won't release a product unless you are 100% satisfied that it will be spot-on.
By MO - I meant that you saw it and took it home - Lol!
Quote from: maxwellwedge on November 23, 2017, 08:43:47 AM
By MO - I meant that you saw it and took it home - Lol!
The joke is definitely on me. I thought when you mentioned "MO" that it might be going to Roger's place. When he stopped by yesterday and I asked him about it, he didn't have any idea what I was talking about! That's when I realized what you actually meant. LOL The closest thing I have in my collection to a 1969 Yenko Camaro, is a 5800 mile 1969 Z/28. Your ground pounding 427 Yenko dwarfs the size of that 302 and is about 10 times rarer.
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I can imagine Rogers reaction - Lol!!
That car is a beauty. I have a 69 Z survivor too....they are great cars.
Quote from: warmpancakes on July 24, 2017, 08:11:52 AM
My opinion doesnt matter, but i think the car is cool as heck, you wanted it so you built it :2thumbs: people are just jealous
Everyone's opinion matters whether good or bad. We just received a TOP 10 Car for Mopar and a TOP 10 New Products release in the same venue. It's a first for me and I feel very humbled and honored for the accolades. They continue to write some really nice things about the car as well.
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https://www.instagram.com/p/BcY9YbIBKCf/
Quote from: cbrestorations on November 22, 2017, 03:28:56 PM
its about as cool as seeing a restored 4 door satellite. kinda wonder why??? but respect the time and work that went into it. :shruggy:
There have been some nice commentaries done on the project. Here is one from Hurst Historian and Author Richard Truesdell.
https://vimeo.com/227200271
Just saw a short piece on the crew cab barracuda. It was on the show Motörhead garage.
Quote from: Charger-Bodie on December 24, 2017, 09:16:29 AM
Just saw a short piece on the crew cab barracuda. It was on the show Motörhead garage.
Thanks CB. I will post a marker of that clip as soon as I get it converted. Thank you very much and have a Merry Christmas!
Quote from: Charger-Bodie on December 24, 2017, 09:16:29 AM
Just saw a short piece on the crew cab barracuda. It was on the show Motörhead garage.
I think this might have been the one you referenced. There will be a few others that run through July of 2018. Thanks!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ic6OKyjVUg4
Quote from: ECS on December 28, 2017, 09:44:45 PM
Quote from: Charger-Bodie on December 24, 2017, 09:16:29 AM
Just saw a short piece on the crew cab barracuda. It was on the show Motörhead garage.
I think this might have been the one you referenced. There will be a few others that run through July of 2018. Thanks!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ic6OKyjVUg4
No. They interviewed you in the one I saw.
Quote from: Charger-Bodie on December 28, 2017, 10:25:05 PM
Quote from: ECS on December 28, 2017, 09:44:45 PM
Quote from: Charger-Bodie on December 24, 2017, 09:16:29 AM
Just saw a short piece on the crew cab barracuda. It was on the show Motörhead garage.
I think this might have been the one you referenced. There will be a few others that run through July of 2018. Thanks!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ic6OKyjVUg4
No. They interviewed you in the one I saw.
They did quite a few while we were there so I'm not sure which interview it might have been. It sure has been comical to see read all the out takes (on different venues) from people who don't know anything that occurred. Someone said they doubted I did more than 10% of the car's construction. While I was not exclusive in its build (who is?) there wasn't ONE piece or part that I was not 100% involved with. I wonder where they think the "crazy" detailing features came from?!? LOL........ The upcoming coverage will be fun to see & rediscover.
Nice to see this car getting all the media coverage finally. Should be interesting to watch on TV.
Quote from: resq302 on December 28, 2017, 11:57:50 PM
Nice to see this car getting all the media coverage finally. Should be interesting to watch on TV.
Happy New Year Master B! It's nice to come to DC where things can be presented as they are. It's comical to read "pre-written" information from other venues that have ZERO fact based commentary concerning the conditions surrounding the build and/or responses of the project. I guess some folks resort to deceitful and false measures to explain away their instigating libel. It changes nothing.......full steam ahead. I believe the next project should be even more dazzling than this one.
https://youtu.be/hQ_NsNM4OTw
I find a 4door: Corvette, Mustang and Camaro would be your next step. :cheers:
Quote from: ACUDANUT on December 29, 2017, 02:31:53 PM
I find a 4door: Corvette, Mustang and Camaro would be you next step. :cheers:
I just received my "custom" made rubber material for the Trunk Mats that I've been working on for quite some time now. I couldn't be more pleased. It took MONTHS but I had the rubber reproduced PERFECTLY! The design on the back, thickness, firmness, etc...... No more having to spend $2500 on NOS versions. We're going to even do all of the different printing designs to make sure the artwork is exact. And to think it all happened on the final day of the working year! Very exciting news........ :2thumbs:
Quote from: ECS on December 29, 2017, 03:47:33 PM
Quote from: ACUDANUT on December 29, 2017, 02:31:53 PM
I find a 4door: Corvette, Mustang and Camaro would be you next step. :cheers:
I just received my "custom" made rubber material for the Trunk Mats that I've been working on for quite some time now. I couldn't be more pleased. It took MONTHS but I had the rubber reproduced PERFECTLY! The design on the back, thickness, firmness, etc...... No more having to spend $2500 on NOS versions. We're going to even do all of the different printing designs to make sure the artwork is exact. And to think it all happened on the final day of the working year! Very exciting news........ :2thumbs:
This is great news!!!
Quote from: Charger-Bodie on December 28, 2017, 10:25:05 PM
No. They interviewed you in the one I saw.
Here was one I posted where someone had said it was "WRONG/UNPROVEN....COULD NOT FIND ANY PROOF!" that my 4 Door Barracuda was as Custom as any other vehicle at the 2017 SEMA Event. The point is that there was in fact "PROOF" of a Velocity Television Producer that claimed my 4 Door Project was more "Custom" than ALL of the other cars he had investigated at the 2017 SEMA Event. Since he was there and had seen all the other cars, I would say his "opinion" holds more validity than someone who wasn't there and base their "opinion" on nothing more than jealous disregard.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CqBciQJ5yXs
That's not the one I saw either.
Quote from: Charger-Bodie on December 30, 2017, 10:34:30 AM
That's not the one I saw either.
Please accept my apology if this last comment came across in a personal manner to anyone. It has nothing to do with anyone posting here! It is a subtle "tongue & cheek" mention that I thought I should clear it up. Sorry for any confusion Master Bodie. I hope to see some of the other interviews you mentioned and not get them so mixed up. Thank you!
Quote from: Charger-Bodie on December 29, 2017, 05:10:36 PM
Quote from: ECS on December 29, 2017, 03:47:33 PM
I just received my "custom" made rubber material for the Trunk Mats that I've been working on for quite some time now. I couldn't be more pleased. It took MONTHS but I had the rubber reproduced PERFECTLY! The design on the back, thickness, firmness, etc...... No more having to spend $2500 on NOS versions. We're going to even do all of the different printing designs to make sure the artwork is exact. And to think it all happened on the final day of the working year! Very exciting news........ :2thumbs:
This is great news!!!
Agreed great news. X2 :2thumbs:
Quote from: Davtona on December 30, 2017, 11:43:46 AM
Quote from: Charger-Bodie on December 29, 2017, 05:10:36 PM
Quote from: ECS on December 29, 2017, 03:47:33 PM
I just received my "custom" made rubber material for the Trunk Mats that I've been working on for quite some time now. I couldn't be more pleased. It took MONTHS but I had the rubber reproduced PERFECTLY! The design on the back, thickness, firmness, etc...... No more having to spend $2500 on NOS versions. We're going to even do all of the different printing designs to make sure the artwork is exact. And to think it all happened on the final day of the working year! Very exciting news........ :2thumbs:
This is great news!!!
Agreed great news. X2 :2thumbs:
I can't wait to get these started. It was SO hard trying to get the right material fabricated. I had tried for month after month after month, with nothing but dead ends to show for it. Then the sample finally arrived. I couldn't have asked for a better match. I PROMISE you guys who have waited for these are going to love them. They will be very affordable and match the originals as close to possible. We're even going to have the correct, white stenciling on the backside if requested.
Quote from: Charger-Bodie on December 30, 2017, 10:34:30 AM
That's not the one I saw either.
I thought I would clear up some of what had been said earlier. I had "promoted" some of of the coverage of the this Project has started getting after our touring of it the last few months. I was told I was a "liar" and had spread falsehoods about the car and the coverage. As said before, there was lots of conversation about the original Roger Johnson story and the possibility of an actual concept being made. If you don't believe it was ever made, that is fine! If you hate the car that is fine! If you think it's the ugliest, most ridiculous looking thing in the world, that is also fine! I have no problem with the varying opinions from anyone who hates the story, design or does not agree with the concept.
The only fact I want to present is that I have simply SHARED the information about the "stories" I was told. I happen to believe what I've been told and Chysler produced one of these concepts cars. We can agree to disagree on that point. Below are the points the someone had said I "lied" about related to the car. For the record, I presented point by point FACTS that 100% refuted the incorrect libel that was being touted by this person. All of his defamatory opinions were proven to be 100% false.
HOT ROD Magazine cover car twice - FALSE
Best of Show at Carlyle - FALSE! Did not win
Carlysle Editors Choice Award - FALSE! No such award.
Worldwide recognition on Velocity Cable Television - WRONG/UNPROVEN..where?> when?...how?
TOP 10 MOPAR vehicle of the Year - WRONG/UNPROVEN...where? ..when..how?
The Most Custom Car at the 2017 SEMA venue - WRONG/UNPROVEN....COULD NOT FIND ANY PROOF!
TOTALLY LAUGHABLE.
Many moons ago, I suggested really, really trying hard to find one vintage factory photo of the car...
I suggested even offering a monetary reward to help get folks motivated!
Just one old pic, from any angle would really shut down the naysayers.
That being said: Impeccable craftsmanship! :coolgleamA:
Quote from: odcics2 on December 30, 2017, 05:10:44 PM
Many moons ago, I suggested really, really trying hard to find one vintage factory photo of the car...
I suggested even offering a monetary reward to help get folks motivated!
Just one old pic, from any angle would really shut down the naysayers.
That being said: Impeccable craftsmanship! :coolgleamA:
Thank you very much. While at a few of the Auto Shows I was approached by 3 different people who worked for Chrysler years ago. All 3 said they had seen the Black & White photo of the actual car. I even recorded an interview with one person giving his account but promised not to display the footage because he didn't want to be involved in the forum drama. I hope he reads this and will come here to give his first hand account of actually holding and viewing the Black & White picture of the 4 Door Concept Barracuda. He said he knew he would end up talking to me in person and was "positive" about seeing the car and looking at the photo.
Quote from: ECS on December 30, 2017, 04:57:12 PM
Quote from: Charger-Bodie on December 30, 2017, 10:34:30 AM
That's not the one I saw either.
I thought I would clear up some of what had been said earlier. I had "promoted" some of of the coverage of the this Project has started getting after our touring of it the last few months. I was told I was a "liar" and had spread falsehoods about the car and the coverage. As said before, there was lots of conversation about the original Roger Johnson story and the possibility of an actual concept being made. If you don't believe it was ever made, that is fine! If you hate the car that is fine! If you think it's the ugliest, most ridiculous looking thing in the world, that is also fine! I have no problem with the varying opinions from anyone who hates the story, design or does not agree with the concept.
The only fact I want to present is that I have simply SHARED the information about the "stories" I was told. I happen to believe what I've been told and Chysler produced one of these concepts cars. We can agree to disagree on that point. Below are the points the someone had said I "lied" about related to the car. For the record, I presented point by point FACTS that 100% refuted the incorrect libel that was being touted by this person. All of his defamatory opinions were proven to be 100% false.
HOT ROD Magazine cover car twice - FALSE
Best of Show at Carlyle - FALSE! Did not win
Carlysle Editors Choice Award - FALSE! No such award.
Worldwide recognition on Velocity Cable Television - WRONG/UNPROVEN..where?> when?...how?
TOP 10 MOPAR vehicle of the Year - WRONG/UNPROVEN...where? ..when..how?
The Most Custom Car at the 2017 SEMA venue - WRONG/UNPROVEN....COULD NOT FIND ANY PROOF!
TOTALLY LAUGHABLE.
Dave,
How can the stuff in red be lies? I was out at Carlisle this year when the guy who writes the Hurst articles said you were getting that award. The Top 10 MOPAR vehicle of the year was in Mopar Collectors Guide. Whoever said that either has to be nuts or drunk on something !
Quote from: resq302 on December 30, 2017, 08:42:16 PM
How can the stuff in red be lies? I was out at Carlisle this year when the guy who writes the Hurst articles said you were getting that award. The Top 10 MOPAR vehicle of the year was in Mopar Collectors Guide. Whoever said that either has to be nuts or drunk on something !
The guy making the comments is Tom Gronowicz. He involved himself in a build that never affected him and should never have been a subject of libel interest. He had no involvement or participation in its fabrication. He chose to make it personal by involving himself for no reason other than to harm and discredit the 4 Door Barracuda branding and development.
He invested 4 years on various Social Medias, starting more than 15 threads to discredit, create defamatory statements about its construction, advertising and sponsorships. This has gone FAR beyond not believing a story or liking the way it looks. Like I said, I couldn't care less if people like the look, design or whatever. I wouldn't know or recognize this guy if he walked up and said hello. How can someone involve themselves into a project that doesn't affect them in the LEAST and then blame me for defending the lies told about my work? Bad move! He's a warped individual. Here's the proof showing the newest lies told by this guy.
Gronowicz quote - HOT ROD Magazine cover car twice - FALSE
Factual Evidence: October & December Cover of HOT ROD Magazines.
(http://4doorcuda.com/blog/wp-content/uploads/2017/12/Hot-Rod-Covers.jpg)
Gronowicz quote - Carlysle Editors Choice Award - FALSE! No such award.
Factual Evidence: Rich Truesdell Celebrity Choice Award for Hurst and Carlisle venue.
(http://4doorcuda.com/blog/wp-content/uploads/2017/12/dave-1-edit-2.jpg)
(http://4doorcuda.com/blog/wp-content/uploads/2017/12/dave-2-edit.jpg)
Gronowicz quote - Best of Show at Carlyle - FALSE! Did not win
Factual Evidence: Rich Truesdell; Celebrity/Editior Choice Award - Video statement conveying "Best of Show" 4 Door Barracuda.
https://youtu.be/hQ_NsNM4OTw
Gronowicz quote - Worldwide recognition on Velocity Cable Television - WRONG/UNPROVEN..where?> when?...how?
Factual Evidence: Velocity Television, SEMA National Motorhead Garage - 4 Door Barracuda.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ic6OKyjVUg4
Gronowicz quote - TOP 10 MOPAR vehicle of the Year - WRONG/UNPROVEN...where? ..when..how?
Factual Evidence: Top Ten Award-MCG
(http://4doorcuda.com/blog/wp-content/uploads/2017/12/MCG-Top-10.jpg)
Gronowicz quote - The Most Custom Car at the 2017 SEMA venue - WRONG/UNPROVEN....COULD NOT FIND ANY PROOF!"
Factual Evidence: Velocity TV Producer and Video Consultant for Lokar Car Show - 2017 SEMA Event. "We're looked ALL over SEMA, what we're looking for is customized cars and we've not seen ANY that's more customized than this Barracuda".
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CqBciQJ5yXs
Quote from: resq302 on December 30, 2017, 08:42:16 PM
How can the stuff in red be lies? I was out at Carlisle this year when the guy who writes the Hurst articles said you were getting that award. The Top 10 MOPAR vehicle of the year was in Mopar Collectors Guide. Whoever said that either has to be nuts or drunk on something !
Keep in mind that I never entered the Car in ANY type of competition other than the Battle of the Builders at SEMA. The entire purpose of the vehicle was "Display Only" at every Show. All of the awards from Carlisle were unsolicited and given on the merit of the Car. The same goes for the MCACN Show and the MATS Show. The mention of the Car being more "Custom" than other other car was provided by a Velocity Representative whose job was to find the most "Custom built Cars" for their upcoming Lokar Velocity Show. His professional claims on the Car were unsolicited of his assessment. Those who saw the car at SEMA to make their determination, who works within the Industry, knew FAR more than anyone who never saw the vehicle or the Engineering that went into it.
You, uh, having fun muttering to yourself again?
Quote from: pettybird on January 01, 2018, 10:21:57 PM
You, uh, having fun muttering to yourself again?
Bt the fact that you commented, you must reading and taking it in. Are you enjoying the "muttering" so far? I certainly wouldn't want to disappoint!
No. At this point it's simply tedious.
Quote from: pettybird on January 02, 2018, 01:13:11 PM
No. At this point it's simply tedious.
Sorry for the bother. I actually have a purpose for this. Just ignore it. Thanks!
I vote to close this topic since it has NOTHING to do with a Dodge Charger, and this is a Dodge Charger forum. :2thumbs:
Quote from: 303 Mopar on January 02, 2018, 04:33:25 PM
I vote to close this topic since it has NOTHING to do with a Dodge Charger, and this is a Dodge Charger forum. :2thumbs:
If that's the case, there's at last count 30 different topics just on page 1 that have absolutely nothing to do with Chargers at all.... IIRC this is the "car guys discussion" section of the forum, and is not limited to just Chargers (which can really get somewhat monotonous at times) is it not?
besides I generally find that if I don't like a particular subject or even person, say for example: the "snap on orange hammer" thread in this forum section, I just gloss over it, and ignore it, you could try that here? :scratchchin: :shruggy: and when did DC.com turn into "Survivor" where we now elect to "vote"? :slap: :icon_smile_big:
Quote from: DAY CLONA on January 02, 2018, 05:37:05 PM
Quote from: 303 Mopar on January 02, 2018, 04:33:25 PM
I vote to close this topic since it has NOTHING to do with a Dodge Charger, and this is a Dodge Charger forum. :2thumbs:
If that's the case, there's at last count 30 different topics just on page 1 that have absolutely nothing to do with Chargers at all.... IIRC this is the "car guys discussion" section of the forum, and is not limited to just Chargers (which can really get somewhat monotonous at times) is it not?
besides I generally find that if I don't like a particular subject or even person, say like the "snap on orange hammer" thread in this forum section, I just gloss over it, and ignore it, you could try that? :scratchchin: :shruggy: and when did DC.com turn into "Survivor" where we now elect to "vote"? :slap: :icon_smile_big:
Sorry DAY CLONA, I didn't your name as a mod for this section. I will wait for a mod to address.
Quote from: 303 Mopar on January 02, 2018, 05:45:03 PM
Quote from: DAY CLONA on January 02, 2018, 05:37:05 PM
Quote from: 303 Mopar on January 02, 2018, 04:33:25 PM
I vote to close this topic since it has NOTHING to do with a Dodge Charger, and this is a Dodge Charger forum. :2thumbs:
If that's the case, there's at last count 30 different topics just on page 1 that have absolutely nothing to do with Chargers at all.... IIRC this is the "car guys discussion" section of the forum, and is not limited to just Chargers (which can really get somewhat monotonous at times) is it not?
besides I generally find that if I don't like a particular subject or even person, say like the "snap on orange hammer" thread in this forum section, I just gloss over it, and ignore it, you could try that? :scratchchin: :shruggy: and when did DC.com turn into "Survivor" where we now elect to "vote"? :slap: :icon_smile_big:
Sorry DAY CLONA, I didn't your name as a mod for this section. I will wait for a mod to address.
If I decide to run for that office, can I count on your vote?... :2thumbs:
Quote from: DAY CLONA on January 02, 2018, 05:49:02 PM
Quote from: 303 Mopar on January 02, 2018, 05:45:03 PM
Quote from: DAY CLONA on January 02, 2018, 05:37:05 PM
Quote from: 303 Mopar on January 02, 2018, 04:33:25 PM
I vote to close this topic since it has NOTHING to do with a Dodge Charger, and this is a Dodge Charger forum. :2thumbs:
If that's the case, there's at last count 30 different topics just on page 1 that have absolutely nothing to do with Chargers at all.... IIRC this is the "car guys discussion" section of the forum, and is not limited to just Chargers (which can really get somewhat monotonous at times) is it not?
besides I generally find that if I don't like a particular subject or even person, say like the "snap on orange hammer" thread in this forum section, I just gloss over it, and ignore it, you could try that? :scratchchin: :shruggy: and when did DC.com turn into "Survivor" where we now elect to "vote"? :slap: :icon_smile_big:
Sorry DAY CLONA, I didn't your name as a mod for this section. I will wait for a mod to address.
If I decide to run for that office, can I count on your vote?... :2thumbs:
Feel free, I would not want that job......
Quote from: 303 Mopar on January 02, 2018, 04:33:25 PM
I vote to close this topic since it has NOTHING to do with a Dodge Charger, and this is a Dodge Charger forum. :2thumbs:
This is a car, in the car guys section. If you don't like the thread stay out of it.
Quote from: Charger-Bodie on January 02, 2018, 05:56:03 PM
Quote from: 303 Mopar on January 02, 2018, 04:33:25 PM
I vote to close this topic since it has NOTHING to do with a Dodge Charger, and this is a Dodge Charger forum. :2thumbs:
This is a car, in the car guys section. If you don't like the thread stay out of it.
Sorry guys, I tried.....
Apparently, this thread is for display only. :slap: Look but don't touch.
Quote from: ws23rt on January 02, 2018, 06:14:09 PM
Apparently, this thread is for display only. :slap: Look but don't touch.
And it's won "major" awards... :o
All got a bit out of hand this thread didn't it ?......and the top edge of the windshield is still far too low in comparison to the side glass! Other than that...she's a diamond.
Quote from: alfaitalia on January 02, 2018, 06:23:39 PM
All got a bit out of hand this thread didn't it ?......and the top edge of the windshield is still far too low in comparison to the side glass! Other than that...she's a diamond.
He's been booted out of many other forums because of his narcissistic attitude, yet he continues to find amusement here. Carry on.....
Quote from: alfaitalia on January 02, 2018, 06:23:39 PM
All got a bit out of hand this thread didn't it ?......and the top edge of the windshield is still far too low in comparison to the side glass! Other than that...she's a diamond.
Thanks for continuing a "discussion" in a thread under "car guys discussion"
If not here?--where should a discussion take place? :scratchchin:
Quote from: 303 Mopar on January 02, 2018, 06:27:21 PM
He's been booted out of many other forums because of his narcissistic attitude......
Do we really need to deflect with falsehoods to cover fact? Let me the first "narcissist" to say that this 4 door design is hated by many people. The features are extremely ugly in its overall appearance. There are some who wouldn't be caught within 500 yards of it without feeling like they needed to take a hot shower. It is the most hideous of designs and wouldn't sell if Chrysler ever did offer it to the public. It was a horrible waste of time & money! ALL of that is TRUE to some folks and I'm perfectly comfortable with that fact.
Hopefully we can move forward now. Where I draw the line is being told how I should feel about the information that's been shared with me or that I have to feel the same as some of you do. If you feel different about the story or the people who told it or what they claim to have seen, then don't believe any of it! That's fine! When I give my interpretation of the subject, some of you get all bothered and bent of of shape because you can't force me to agree with your views. Some here might need to take a real good look at where the "narcissistic" behavior really starts from.
Lets set aside this car for a little bit. What else do you have in the project line up? :popcrn:
Quote from: JB400 on January 02, 2018, 08:23:17 PM
Lets set aside this car for a little bit. What else do you have in the project line up? :popcrn:
We've been working on a 1969 (original) Pontiac Trans Am throughout the duration of this car as well. Final assembly should be much smoother. It will represent a Factory restored car when complete.
One thing I've recently been discussing is constructing another 1971 Convertible Hemi Cuda that was never built but mimics an original version without distinction. It would be similar to the Shelby "continuation" cars that came out years back but never confused for being a "real" Hemi convertible car. I would have to get legitimate build certification and the vehicle would be made with all correct paperwork, metal tags, etc..... Not a "clone" but a continuation/different numbered car. We'll see on this one.
Along with the car construction, we have some really neat (needed) parts that will be coming out for Chrysler and GM.
Hey ECS
The story you are sticking with about how your inspiration for this project started is an -OLD- story that has been discussed over and over. :eek2:
You ask--that we may "Hopefully" move forward.---This is good--We all should.
Question---why do you insist on bringing the old story back to the front? :brickwall:
The obvious (elephant in the room is you).
Look back at the last few pages with an open mind. You are showing your work ---that is one thing. (a fine creation indeed by execution) But you added poking sticks with your words that are obvious and clear provocations to start back up a fight that has already composted. Stirring old compost will not make it fresh again. It will always be the same old stuff.
I am one that has jousted with you in the past but my intent was to engage with your manner in dealing with questions. --Nothing to do with your project.
Question--Do you have a list of critics that you need an apology from? If so and they gave you one would you be able to relax and move on with your life in peace?
Quote from: ws23rt on January 02, 2018, 08:57:21 PM
Question--Do you have a list of critics that you need an apology from?
No Sir! Not in the least! The points of contention that were printed in "red" were from one person. I have no idea why anyone other than that "one person" would feel responsible for what was said. No one posting here should feel responsible for what was written about. I apologize if that was not cleared up prior to posting it. I can also assure you that I have no problems with those who debated the looks of the roof or the "story" that was given by Roger Johnson, etc.......! I thought it became confrontational when I would answer the questions, only to find it was a lead in for someone wanting to argue and push their opinion/agenda on MY project. It was never important to me that everyone was in agreement with everything. If that were the case, I would stay at Home and never do anything again. LOL.......
Quote from: ws23rt on January 02, 2018, 08:57:21 PM
I am one that has jousted with you in the past but my intent was to engage with your manner in dealing with questions.
I also wanted to say that you and I do not really even know one another. I apologize if I ever came across too rude. It's hard enough to make Friends in such a diverse industry and silly things like this should never be the type of controversy that comes between two car Enthusiasts. :2thumbs:
Quote from: ws23rt on January 02, 2018, 08:57:21 PM
Hey ECS
The story you are sticking with about how your inspiration for this project started is an -OLD- story that has been discussed over and over. :eek2:
I also wanted to properly convey the "inspiration" for this project. I believe there is still confusion surrounding our original goal. We planned on building this concoction before ever learning about the concept article written by Roger Johnson in 2007. Below is the complete story of how this project came to fruition. Thanks!
http://4doorcuda.com/blog/?m=201704
Quote from: ECS on January 02, 2018, 09:15:41 PM
Quote from: ws23rt on January 02, 2018, 08:57:21 PM
I am one that has jousted with you in the past but my intent was to engage with your manner in dealing with questions.
I also wanted to say that you and I do not really even know one another. I apologize if I ever came across too rude. It's hard enough to make Friends in such a diverse industry and silly things like this should never be the type of controversy that comes between two car Enthusiasts. :2thumbs:
I am compelled to respond to your response.
Thank you for being gracious. We do indeed not know each other. We fought a battle that was aside from the topic. --That is all a part of the nature of this venue.
I have been given a title as being a "troll" early on in my exploring the internet.--I was offended at first because it felt derogatory. But speaking up is what conversations are all about and that is what we have here. A place to speak.
Speaking is only one-half of a conversation.--- As it turns out, in reality, listening is a bigger half.
Quote from: ECS on January 02, 2018, 09:33:15 PM
Quote from: ws23rt on January 02, 2018, 08:57:21 PM
Hey ECS
The story you are sticking with about how your inspiration for this project started is an -OLD- story that has been discussed over and over. :eek2:
I also wanted to properly convey the "inspiration" for this project. I believe there is still confusion surrounding our original goal. We planned on building this concoction before ever learning about the concept article written by Roger Johnson in 2007. Below is the complete story of how this project came to fruition. Thanks!
http://4doorcuda.com/blog/?m=201704
LET IT GO-- PLEASE--- :slap:
Got any pix of the TA? :popcrn:
Quote from: JB400 on January 02, 2018, 10:04:57 PM
Got any pix of the TA? :popcrn:
Tons of them. I make sure that everything is documented (as well as possible) before removing a screw. I'll probably do some sort of blog for others to follow who are going through the same phases of a Factory restoration.
One of the "new" products we will be manufacturing is Factory correct Exhaust Systems for the 1967-1969 Pontiac Firebirds. We're looking forward to it.
Quote from: ws23rt on January 02, 2018, 10:00:45 PM
LET IT GO-- PLEASE---
I can certainly do that but will never while my facts are falsified or mis-construed. Thanks!
Quote from: ECS on January 02, 2018, 10:30:34 PM
Quote from: ws23rt on January 02, 2018, 10:00:45 PM
LET IT GO-- PLEASE---
I can certainly do that will but never while my facts are falsified or mis-construed. Thanks!
And there we have it.--- ::)
Quote from: ws23rt on January 02, 2018, 10:36:02 PM
Quote from: ECS on January 02, 2018, 10:30:34 PM
Quote from: ws23rt on January 02, 2018, 10:00:45 PM
LET IT GO-- PLEASE---
I can certainly do that will but never while my facts are falsified or mis-construed. Thanks!
And there we have it.--- ::)
Let me make myself perfectly clear. Don't confuse kindness for stupidity. What you do with your cars is your business and concerns no one else. Have the same respect for others.
Quote from: 303 Mopar on January 02, 2018, 06:27:21 PM
He's been booted out of many other forums because of his narcissistic attitude, yet he continues to find amusement here. Carry on.....
You mean he's allowed to display it here. Shame should have pushed the moderators here to kick him a long time ago. His continued presence is a festering wound on this forum.
Quote from: pettybird on January 03, 2018, 01:19:26 AM
Quote from: 303 Mopar on January 02, 2018, 06:27:21 PM
He's been booted out of many other forums because of his narcissistic attitude, yet he continues to find amusement here. Carry on.....
You mean he's allowed to display it here. Shame should have pushed the moderators here to kick him a long time ago. His continued presence is a festering wound on this forum.
But he's also a contributing member in the proper restoration of our cars for members who are looking for period correct replacement parts. Some tolerance of his antics would be appreciated. Just look at past nuisances for example. Cody is still here. I'm still here as well, even though most don't like my games. I do plan on doing a build thread when I'm capable of doing so, but in the mean time, I'll have a little fun with those that want to have fun, and learn a little bit while doing so.
Dave is just as welcome here as anyone else, in my book. I'd also lobby to get Tufcat back here as well, if Troy would consider doing so.
Many of you critics have shown a blatant disrespect to Dave's passion and talent with a whole lot of :blahblah: :blahblah: :blahblah: :blahblah: :blahblah: :blahblah: :blahblah: :blahblah: :blahblah: :blahblah:
He is well within his rights to respond as he does. :nana:
I am not a friend of Dave, I have never met him and probably won't, but his passion and work is well beyond most of you on a good day even with your checkbook in hand.
There are a couple of you that i would to meet in person to see if you are just as mean in real life or just when hiding behind the keyboard. Some folks on here need a vacation and it's not Dave. :eek:
A little moderating by a sane individual - good luck with that - would help. Look how long that toxic person tuffcat or tuffy i forget - was allowed to spew his venom before he got booted. :smash: I see he is over on the b body forum being allowed to be his usual mean self. Just like the crap I had to hear from one of you regarding the how to tune a six pak guide - telling me the guide is wrong but never actually providing better information. :blahblah:
The real problem here is most of you not Dave. :brickwall:
Thank you Dave for your passion and cool cars. :2thumbs:
Please carry on children...
Lot's of big egos in this topic. If you don't like this forum and the way it's moderated, stay on fbbo with all the other cranky ancient know it alls.
What I like about this Dave, you saw a vision and brought it to fruition. You used parts that you either made or bought and not take advantage of members on other forums. Too bad some members see the need to steal parts to make their dream come true and TRY to belittle others. What other projects are you working on, can't wait to see them.
Velocity TV
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ic6OKyjVUg4
Quote from: Mopar Nut on January 14, 2018, 09:54:56 PM
What other projects are you working on.........
A SEMA Sponsored highlight from the 2017 Event. VELOCITY Cable Television. "High Preference Road Trip" - 2017 Friday @ 7 Central.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ks5uJwqwdUM&feature=youtu.be
Wow, thats pretty cool ! Any idea as to when the other stuff might be getting aired or out in the magazines also? Who would have thought that something like this would get so much media coverage !
Quote from: resq302 on January 31, 2018, 09:52:20 AM
Wow, thats pretty cool !
LOL.....
http://www.hotrod.com/articles/cleaning-preserving-bare-metal-parts/?sm_id=organic_fb_social_HRN_180129_sf180649349&sf180649349=1
Quote from: resq302 on January 31, 2018, 09:52:20 AM
Wow, thats pretty cool ! Any idea as to when the other stuff might be getting aired or out in the magazines also? Who would have thought that something like this would get so much media coverage !
Hemmings Muscle Machines
(http://4doorcuda.com/blog/wp-content/uploads/2018/02/Muscle-Machines-4-door-Cuda.jpg)
Guessing that pic of the car was taken out at Carlisle going by the curtains in the background?
And thats a nice looking GTX there on the cover ! :o
Where the heck have I been for the last few months??? I had to go back and read several months of posts to catch up. Great job on the build. Car turned out awesome. Glad to see you got so much coverage on it. Congrats.
Quote from: nvrbdn on February 01, 2018, 10:06:42 PM
Where the heck have I been for the last few months??? I had to go back and read several months of posts to catch up. Great job on the build. Car turned out awesome. Glad to see you got so much coverage on it. Congrats.
SEMA
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XKx03DgOiXM
Really enjoyed the video from Sema, and the one with the wife and you. Soooooo................................... what is next? :scratchchin:
The SEMA video was really cool. I like how you did the mirrors under neath to show off the detail and work done under there too ! Amazing craftsmanship on that thing.
Quote from: nvrbdn on February 11, 2018, 05:19:41 PM
Really enjoyed the video from Sema, and the one with the wife and you. Soooooo................................... what is next? :scratchchin:
E body station wagon.
Challenger TA limo. Cuda's have a shorter wheelbase.
People have been wondering why Dodge didn't make a retro-looking Charger like they did with the challenger.
Surely there must have been concepts.
Maybe some old design ideas can be brought to the road?
Two doors :2thumbs: please.
My thought is that everything is now family based. Hence, the higher demand for SUV's. If they had a 2 door sports car already, why make the charger. Its not like todays manufacturers are making 5 different versions of the same car like they did in the 60s. Take the belvedere / satelite car for example. They had the belvedere, satelite, roadrunner, sport satelite, GTX and the belvedere wagon. Belevedere and satelite both came in 2 door and 4 door versions. There would be NO way that todays penny pinching manufacturers would even entertain that broad of a car line.
Actually most do...they just try and hide the fact..like a VW Jetta is just four door Golf...they also do an estate (wagon as you say!), soft top, a folding metal hard top (discontinued) and three and five door Golf's. Not to mention the Skoda and SEAT versions of the same car. BMW 3 series...three door, four door, five door, wagon, cabrio and the coupe (sold as a 4 series).
Quote from: resq302 on February 11, 2018, 11:28:19 PM
The SEMA video was really cool.
Another thumbs up!?!
https://youtu.be/4uHM-bHRiNU
Yep, A nice comment from Mark. Awesome job.
Very cool!