Well, it looks like the Ted Stephens yard art Daytona is getting restored on Chop Cut Rebuild.
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I can see all of them thinking--Hmm where do we start? :slap:
It reminds me of how to "remodel" a house that is toast and technically have the original house. You leave one wall and make what you want. Then remove that first wall as a repair to the "remodel" to finish the original desire. :nana:
That thing is junk, move the tags to the "donor" body, call it a day, then restore it, with the right editing it'll look kosher to the moron viewers of these crap cable car shows
Yah.. you beat me too it, when does the camera fade away and the replacement shell roll in.
Quote from: DAY CLONA on May 18, 2016, 05:22:38 PM
That thing is junk, move the tags to the "donor" body, call it a day, then restore it, with the right editing it'll look kosher to the moron viewers of these crap cable car shows
To me moving the tags to another body is a narrow gray area right close to (if not) fraud.
On the other hand doing this seems to be generally understood as what people will do for a buck.
The future owners of all daytona's will live with a complicated question about how real their car is. The prices for nice ones today clearly is what moves those to look at this car as they are doing in the pictures. :brickwall:
New nickname: China-Tona.
Wait a minute...
On what planet is "Chop Cut Rebuild" still on the air ? :shruggy:
Is there a single solid piece of metal to build around even???
Quote from: tsmithae on May 18, 2016, 06:01:46 PM
Is there a single solid piece of metal to build around even???
Yep, it's about 3.5" long x 0.75 wide and has numbers and letters stamped on it! :icon_smile_big:
Quote from: birdsandbees on May 18, 2016, 06:08:43 PM
Quote from: tsmithae on May 18, 2016, 06:01:46 PM
Is there a single solid piece of metal to build around even???
Yep, it's about 3.5" long x 0.75 wide and has numbers and letters stamped on it! :icon_smile_big:
You nailed it. :2thumbs: :cheers: It's a one piece daytona kit. Just add car. :smilielol:
Look. A little time with a a Porta-Power. Some light hammer and dolly work and she will spruce right up. :coolgleamA:
Quote from: Stevearino on May 18, 2016, 06:33:24 PM
Look. A little time with a a Porta-Power. Some light hammer and dolly work and she will spruce right up. :coolgleamA:
Of all people here you would know. :icon_smile_wink: Buda bing --instant car. :lol:
Quote from: Stevearino on May 18, 2016, 06:33:24 PM
Look. A little time with a a Porta-Power. Some light hammer and dolly work and she will spruce right up. :coolgleamA:
Sorta like "that'll buff right out"? :buff: :icon_smile_big:
if a tv show wants to redo a daytona, i can supply them with one requiring a lot less effort.
so much for the junkyard's vow that the car would never be redone, eh....
Quote from: Daytona R/T SE on May 18, 2016, 05:46:24 PM
Wait a minute...
On what planet is "Chop Cut Rebuild" still on the air ? :shruggy:
:smilielol:
That was my first thought as well....
Quote from: DAY CLONA on May 18, 2016, 05:22:38 PM
That thing is junk, move the tags to the "donor" body, call it a day, then restore it, with the right editing it'll look kosher to the moron viewers of these crap cable car shows
Thats what will happen just like they did with the Keisler Charger it will be all new AMD rebody
This will be interesting.... I'm guessing there's a clear title to it..... With no motor, it won't be number's matching, so that'll take away a little.... :D
Hope the sheetmetal work goes well.... :2thumbs:
It'll be interesting to see what they do for a rear window plug.....
Weren't both the vin tag and fender tag stolen off this car long ago?
405184. Had its vin stolen off it I heard
http://www.dodgecharger.com/forum/index.php/topic,18858.0.html
http://www.dodgecharger.com/forum/index.php/topic,121071.0.html
Quote from: nascarxx29 on May 18, 2016, 08:23:34 PM
405184. Had its vin stolen off it I heard
http://www.dodgecharger.com/forum/index.php/topic,18858.0.html
http://www.dodgecharger.com/forum/index.php/topic,121071.0.html
:2thumbs: This is an example of the value of this site for the the hobby. :cheers:
If someone slaps repro Daytona parts on an original RT it will more of a Daytona than this will be. Still, as long as all the work is done up front and legitimately represented, I think its a positive to have saved (re-created?) it.
Quote from: RallyeMike on May 18, 2016, 09:19:40 PM
If someone slaps repro Daytona parts on an original RT it will more of a Daytona than this will be. Still, as long as all the work is done up front and legitimately represented, I think its a positive to have saved (re-created?) it.
This is a good way of looking at it. :2thumbs:
It brings to mind the AC Cobra's Their is a whole market for Cobra replicas for the many that want to enjoy what they were.
If that's the way it works out for daytona's so be it.
A buyer just needs to know what it is they are buying.---The real deal or not---
Until a clear distinction between an original and a zombie is established their will be conflict.
It will be interesting to see what unfolds as to what will need replacement. At least it will be well known as to what has been done to this car. Really that car should be sitting in the mezzanine of someones Mopar repair shop as yard art.
Quote from: wingcarenvy on May 18, 2016, 09:46:50 PM
It will be interesting to see what unfolds as to what will need replacement. At least it will be well known as to what has been done to this car. Really that car should be sitting in the mezzanine of someones Mopar repair shop as yard art.
:2thumbs: If it wasn't for the last bit of daytona lettering we can all see it just might be much less then yard art.
I tried buying this car when I bought my ravine Daytona. He no interest in selling at the time.
Quote from: Nwcharger on May 18, 2016, 10:30:35 PM
I tried buying this car when I bought my ravine Daytona. He no interest in selling at the time.
It was not sold. Ted still owns the car.
Quote from: Devil on May 18, 2016, 10:31:04 PM
Quote from: Nwcharger on May 18, 2016, 10:30:35 PM
I tried buying this car when I bought my ravine Daytona. He no interest in selling at the time.
It was not sold. Ted still owns the car.
Do you know what sparked his want to restore it? When I talked to him he said he had no intentions of restoring it. I'm honestly glad he is.
Quote from: Nwcharger on May 18, 2016, 10:37:00 PM
Quote from: Devil on May 18, 2016, 10:31:04 PM
Quote from: Nwcharger on May 18, 2016, 10:30:35 PM
I tried buying this car when I bought my ravine Daytona. He no interest in selling at the time.
It was not sold. Ted still owns the car.
Do you know what sparked his want to restore it? When I talked to him he said he had no intentions of restoring it. I'm honestly glad he is.
Not for sure, he really had no interest in restoring it. I'm sure the CCR guys offered him some butt load of cash or something to do it. I'll know here in a few days when I head down there.
:scratchchin: :popcrn:
Exactly!
Yea I thought the deal was to leave the car alone and show it off the way it was, thought he was pretty adamant about that too......oh well I still think its pretty cool.....
maybe they'll use it to showcase current & debut new AMD (yet to be released) Daytona parts
existing: doors, quarters, roof, rr bumper, glass, mouldings, frame/firewall/floors/unibody parts
NEW window plug, deck lid, fenders, hood, nosecone?? :shruggy:
what sheetmetal is NOT currently available?
Quote from: 6bblgt on May 19, 2016, 12:29:28 PM
maybe they'll use it to showcase current & debut new AMD (yet to be released) Daytona parts
existing: doors, quarters, roof, rr bumper, glass, mouldings, frame/firewall/floors/unibody parts
NEW window plug, deck lid, fenders, hood, nosecone?? :shruggy:
what sheetmetal is NOT currently available?
You are probably right. There is likely a marketing angle to be worked. :2thumbs:
But what do they do with it in the end.... they have no VIN plate ! :scratchchin:
A state inspection after it's rebuilt & a state issued VIN tag will solve the problem. :Twocents:
As for whether it's still a Daytona, a re-body, a recreation, a replica, a duplicate, a clone, a rotted piece of shit, or whatever you want to call it, it's rare, is well known among the aero car fanatics & pretty much documented. Someone will be happy forking over the money to own it & brag about how they have the famous, "junkyard-ornament-with-stolen-VIN-tag-that-was-rotting-until-a-terrible-reality-show-showed-up-to-restore-it" car.
;D ;D ;D
Quote from: birdsandbees on May 19, 2016, 04:43:55 PM
But what do they do with it in the end.... they have no VIN plate ! :scratchchin:
I've heard Ted has the dash and fender tag :shruggy:
Also does the car have body numbers anymore? Core support looks missing and trunk gutter looks pretty rough
Quote from: Charger_Fan on May 18, 2016, 06:38:54 PM
Quote from: Stevearino on May 18, 2016, 06:33:24 PM
Look. A little time with a a Porta-Power. Some light hammer and dolly work and she will spruce right up. :coolgleamA:
Sorta like "that'll buff right out"? :buff: :icon_smile_big:
I agree! That will buff right out!! Order a 55 gallon drum of bondo and you are ready to go!
AMD will demonstrate their new sheet metal 3D restoration printer---All ya gotta do is load it into a printer and hit go!
Quote from: birdsandbees on May 19, 2016, 04:43:55 PM
But what do they do with it in the end.... they have no VIN plate ! :scratchchin:
Quote from: Old Moparz on May 19, 2016, 05:05:54 PM
A state inspection after it's rebuilt & a state issued VIN tag will solve the problem. :Twocents:
Simply have ECS make a repro VIN & the rest of the documentation.
ECS makes VIN DECALS for the door on '70's and the dry transfer to "refresh" you dash VIN tag, but TTBOMK they do not make a repro tag itself... but of course I could be wrong.
Why would AMD want to show off how crappy the sheet metal fits, where you gotta cut & splice & re weld everything to make it fit right? :shruggy: :brickwall: :slap:
Quote from: birdsandbees on May 20, 2016, 04:57:58 PM
ECS makes VIN DECALS for the door on '70's and the dry transfer to "refresh" you dash VIN tag, but TTBOMK they do not make a repro tag itself... but of course I could be wrong.
ECS may not repro the tag it's self but if anyone would know where to have it done I suspect he/they would. After all it is a part of his/their business to help fix identification problems. Making a tag is not a big deal. ECS could put the finishing touch on a tag and be free of being involved in where the tag came from.
Quote from: hemi-hampton on May 20, 2016, 05:21:25 PM
Why would AMD want to show off how crappy the sheet metal fits, where you gotta cut & splice & re weld everything to make it fit right? :shruggy: :brickwall: :slap:
Good point. :2thumbs: They however would be able to identify any miss fits to the condition of the car they went on. :shruggy:
I would think a good selling project for their product would be for just one panel on a solid original car. This is where most of us find any issues with how good their parts are. :slap:
I keep reading this, but we had zero issues with fit.. all pans firewall to rear bumper, inner / outer rear wheel wells, rear bumper attach "valance", rear leaf spring mounts, front right frame rail, torsion bar crossmember and a door sill, along with both door skins. Rear frame rails came out of Classics in California.... not sure whos they were, but they fit perfect as well. Sounds like it's a good thing I had those OEM quarter panels done in 1979! lol
You can have a dash tag remade. I know a place that's licensed to make them, I had a replacement made for my sons 70 satellite.
Interesting, considering in most states and provinces it's even a crime to remove one. Fender tags and door decals a non-issue but the actual VIN plate is tabo to even remove to paint... but oh look.. mine's over there.. :icon_smile_big:
Quote from: birdsandbees on May 20, 2016, 07:05:53 PM
Interesting, considering in most states and provinces it's even a crime to remove one. Fender tags and door decals a non-issue but the actual VIN plate is tabo to even remove to paint... but oh look.. mine's over there.. :icon_smile_big:
:2thumbs: All of this will become moot as the public and the hobby tires of the questions.
The whole topic is about preserving history. If no one cares anymore than the harm is minimized.
Quote from: Nwcharger on May 20, 2016, 07:03:01 PM
You can have a dash tag remade.
No problemo. In fact, you can put on there anything you want...
(http://ecsautomotive.com/other/2016/03-Mar/03-09/06.JPG)
Authentic looking stamped body numbers are only a few hammer punches away....
(http://ecsautomotive.com/other/2015/02-Feb/02-12/IMG_3846.JPG)
For Dave's 4 door Cuda?
That's why history should be an important part when buying a car.
or you can be drunk & hiccup while making vin tag. :smilielol:
(http://i1198.photobucket.com/albums/aa453/cdrmorsports/68vin.jpg)
Quote from: BS27ROB on May 20, 2016, 08:01:54 PM
For Dave's 4 door Cuda?
If it was done on that car, could not different numbers be done on others? :shruggy: Not insinuating anything, just saying.
(http://barfblog.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/09/daves.not_.here_.jpg)
I agree, that's why I think knowing long term history is extremely important for documenting these cars, and this site provides a great service toward that end.
Quote from: BS27ROB on May 20, 2016, 08:46:39 PM
I agree, that's why I think knowing long term history is extremely important for documenting these cars, and this site provides a great service toward that end.
Me too-- This site and a few others are helping document history as we speak.
If in the future some silly multi trillionaire want's to know about the pedigree of a car he is interested in --He might be helped with what we are talking about today.
He and his buds may even be recounting about -that- hemi engine that went for a only $30,000 way back in 2016. :lol:
It's hard to say what will be collected in the future. But one thing that has always held up so far in this hobby is "originality".
When that is lost or diminished the real ones go up in value and those that don't cut the mustard do not.
If the fakes become so good as to not be identifiable the value of the rest become an investment risk or will suffer from it. The only history left may be our stories and pictures about the way it was. :Twocents:
Quote from: birdsandbees on May 20, 2016, 05:34:59 PM
I keep reading this, but we had zero issues with fit.. all pans firewall to rear bumper, inner / outer rear wheel wells, rear bumper attach "valance", rear leaf spring mounts, front right frame rail, torsion bar crossmember and a door sill, along with both door skins. Rear frame rails came out of Classics in California.... not sure whos they were, but they fit perfect as well. Sounds like it's a good thing I had those OEM quarter panels done in 1979! lol
You wouldn't beleive what I had to do to make this gap look good. LEON.
Quote from: birdsandbees on May 20, 2016, 07:05:53 PM
Interesting, considering in most states and provinces it's even a crime to remove one. Fender tags and door decals a non-issue but the actual VIN plate is tabo to even remove to paint... but oh look.. mine's over there.. :icon_smile_big:
ECS made new ones for his 4 door barracuda abomination
Quote from: birdsandbees on May 20, 2016, 05:34:59 PM
I keep reading this, but we had zero issues with fit.. all pans firewall to rear bumper, inner / outer rear wheel wells, rear bumper attach "valance", rear leaf spring mounts, front right frame rail, torsion bar crossmember and a door sill, along with both door skins. Rear frame rails came out of Classics in California.... not sure whos they were, but they fit perfect as well. Sounds like it's a good thing I had those OEM quarter panels done in 1979! lol
Your car must have been crooked to start with. ;D
I put all AMD sheetmetal on my wife's 69 Mod Top Satellite. The sheetmetal fit almost perfectly with a few tweaks here and there, but nothing crazy. As a matter of fact the trunk floor required zero fitting it fit perfect right from the start. The reason I had to put sheet metal in it was from someone in the 70's doing a little sawzall artistry for big meats. I did use a factory roof for the rusty one. I ended up replacing the outer wheel houses, quarters, trunk extensions, trunk floor, dutchman, tail panel, and roof skin. I was very happy with the quality of the AMD stuff.
Quote from: wingcarenvy on May 21, 2016, 10:55:26 AM
I put all AMD sheetmetal on my wife's 69 Mod Top Satellite. The sheetmetal fit almost perfectly with a few tweaks here and there, but nothing crazy. As a matter of fact the trunk floor required zero fitting it fit perfect right from the start. The reason I had to put sheet metal in it was from someone in the 70's doing a little sawzall artistry for big meats. I did use a factory roof for the rusty one. I ended up replacing the outer wheel houses, quarters, trunk extensions, trunk floor, dutchman, tail panel, and roof skin. I was very happy with the quality of the AMD stuff.
I'd have to agree with you regarding AMD sheetmetal, I've done several B bodies, an A body, as well as several E bodies using a good amount of AMD for major reconstruction, the issues are so minor on some panels, others no issues at all, NOS sheetmetal has the same issues as well regarding installation at times, as well as original used panels, no 2 cars are that exact...but I do find myself often asked to look/assist or take over at individuals projects at their home/shop or even "professional" body shops that claim to have MAJOR issues with AMD/GoodMark/Gold/etc panel fitment/assembly...I do find that 90% of the time it's installation error, or just plain inexperience/knowledge in vehicle construction that is lacking in most cases, I was at one shop where the "Senior" bodyman claimed he either had to cut/hack and weld everything to make it fit or it was going back to AMD, I spent no more than 2 hrs on this customers car using the same panels (full qtrs/dutchman/rear tail panel/ 69 Charger) no cutting/hacking, just some hammer/dolly work on a few flanges/edges, and proper procedure in assembly, lightly tacked into place so any readjustments could be made....I went thru the same thing with an associate who said the full rear qtrs and dutchman AMD panels wouldn't fit his car no matter how he fitted them...again a few hours, no hacking and everything fit as good if not better than original or NOS panels....generally I find those with "Major complaints" about AMD fitment/panel finish are either "parroting" what rumors they heard (usually from inexperienced installers) or they themselves are inept at the body trade/skill they claim
The car in Question I was working on was a 71 Chevelle Convertible. Part of the problem could of been before I got it the car was really a Hardtop. After I remove Interior & Quarter panels I see it was very badly converted to a convertible. Inner structures were plasma cutted out of both cars & then just thrown in & barely welded. The Convertible quarters fit into a specially designed channel with no adjustment unlike the hardtop that has no channel & the quarter can be moved around on a hardtop. Not so on Convertible. You could push this quarter till it bottomed out along top & could go no more & still needed a 1/2 inch to go to fit into channel. you'd have to see it to know what I'm talking about. I had another guy bring me a AMD Fender to paint for him for a 69 Roadrunner. I told him I'd like to fit it to car first. He said no., don't worry about the fit, it will be fine he's not worried, just paint it & he'll put it on the car himself. I paint it, rub it the next day, he comes to pick it up & say's he's taking it home to install. I stop by after work to look at car & he just got done putting fender on. On the Passenger side. When I show up he's trying to adjust the fender to fit. The body line at the bottom fits & lines up perfect with body line on door. He likes that. BUT, The top of the Fender is 1/4 inch shorter then the door, if he raises fender to meet top of door it will throw off body line near bottom of fender & door & he don't want that. Then the hood gap at back of fender is nice, about 3/16 of a inch but by the time you get to the front of fender that gap is like a huge 1 inch. The guy is extremely pissed off the Fender fit like crap & this is a brand new AMD Fender. When I measure a Factory part & then a aftermarket sometimes they are way off. LEON.
" Stephens Performance down there in Alabama is currently starting the restoration of the R4 red L-code 1969 440 Magnum Dodge Charger Daytona that has been sitting in the salvage yard for many years "
Sorry but I wood have saved panel to hang on the wall and crushed the rest
Sorry if its bin posted before me
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:coolgleamA: :2thumbs: :cheers: :popcrn:
It appears the drivers side roof rail molding and the steering column can possibly be reused.
Thank God he owns a junkyard :hack: :buff: :paintingpink: :drive: :notworthy: :popcrn: :cheers: :2thumbs:
Looks like it has the Daytona specific K frame also. :popcrn: (Winkman) JR.
From the pics posted on the AMD Fb page im surprised how solid the rear frame is.
when it's done what exactly do you have a 2017 AMD Daytona? :D Don't get me wrong I think this is really cool and will be awesome to follow the updates! :2thumbs:
Maybe AMD will reproduce an entire Daytona body...wait, that would be bad....
http://www.dodgecharger.com/forum/index.php/topic,124028.0.html
Does anybody know if he has the ORIGINAL VIN tag and body tag? If he is using repro tags, then I think it just plain wrong to reconstruct the car. :Twocents:
Quote from: Wingnut426 on May 25, 2016, 12:37:29 PM
Does anybody know if he has the ORIGINAL VIN tag and body tag? If he is using repro tags, then I think it just plain wrong to reconstruct the car. :Twocents:
AMD fb page they posted he did have the originals.
I would say that there is enough "there" to justify a restoration. You have the entire central body shell, as bad as some of the rust is. If the original tags and numbers are available to reunite, I don't see why this can't be viable given there is likely financial and parts "help" to get the car done. Everyone will know what it is. Not my kind of car, but it is still a real Daytona. There is an ass for every seat. :2thumbs:
lot of good pictures here ,
https://www.facebook.com/Auto-Metal-Direct-48713602862/
Quote from: charger_fan_4ever on May 25, 2016, 01:15:19 PM
Quote from: Wingnut426 on May 25, 2016, 12:37:29 PM
Does anybody know if he has the ORIGINAL VIN tag and body tag? If he is using repro tags, then I think it just plain wrong to reconstruct the car. :Twocents:
AMD fb page they posted he did have the originals.
https://www.facebook.com/Auto-Metal-Direct-48713602862/ :popcrn:
BTW VIN is XX29L9B405184
I think this is the way to do this sort of restoration - lots and lots of progress pics. Then everyone can decide for themselves if it is genuine, rebody, fraud, etc. But at least everyone knows what is going on with it.
Quote from: Homerr on May 25, 2016, 08:17:15 PM
I think this is the way to do this sort of restoration - lots and lots of progress pics. Then everyone can decide for themselves if it is genuine, rebody, fraud, etc. But at least everyone knows what is going on with it.
Your right, anyone who would buy the car will know how it was done right up front
:hack: :hack: :horse: :smash: :smash: :smash: :smash: :smash: :smash: :hack: :hack: :smash: :smash: :misbehaving: :misbehaving: :misbehaving: :misbehaving: :scope: :whistling: :musik010: :engel016: :woohoo: :woohoo: :woohoo: :vert: :vert: :vert: :vert: :vert: :drive: :drive: :drive: :drive:
Personally I just can't see it. That thing is yard art.
Putting that vin tag back on should be illegal. :Twocents:
Quote from: Wingnut426 on May 25, 2016, 12:37:29 PM
Does anybody know if he has the ORIGINAL VIN tag and body tag? If he is using repro tags, then I think it just plain wrong to reconstruct the car. :Twocents:
From what I recall TS has the original tags, so does that make it OK now? what if the tags are so bad, that "repros" of the original tags were made, hows that any different?...I fail to see or comprehend this obsession some have about tags, rebodies, clones, reconstructions, etc, all nonsense, it's just a machine, and a bunch of numbers assigned to create an identity, not a deity
if they're just numbers, XP29F would be just as suitable for showcasing AMD panels as is XX29L
no one on the planet would drag this shell out of the junkyard if not for that second X
Quote from: Aero426 on May 25, 2016, 01:31:57 PM
I would say that there is enough "there" to justify a restoration. You have the entire central body shell, as bad as some of the rust is. If the original tags and numbers are available to reunite, I don't see why this can't be viable given there is likely financial and parts "help" to get the car done. Everyone will know what it is. Not my kind of car, but it is still a real Daytona. There is an ass for every seat. :2thumbs:
better then no daytona at all :Twocents:
Quote from: held1823 on May 27, 2016, 08:15:19 PM
if they're just numbers, XP29F would be just as suitable for showcasing AMD panels as is XX29L
no one on the planet would drag this shell out of the junkyard if not for that second X
XP29F doesn't have a wing and nose so not a viable candidate for promotion, XP29F would be just another Charger, this is just a "circus act" to resurrect a "valuable/desirable" car, much like a GYC stunt
In the real world, XP29F would roll in and disappear, XX29L would roll out
Quote from: Patronus on May 27, 2016, 07:04:13 PM
Personally I just can't see it. That thing is yard art.
Putting that vin tag back on should be illegal. :Twocents:
Putting the dash back in and vin is ok. It came from that 'car'.... No swapping going on here with
another body...
Quote from: odcics2 on May 28, 2016, 12:38:31 PM
Quote from: Patronus on May 27, 2016, 07:04:13 PM
Personally I just can't see it. That thing is yard art.
Putting that vin tag back on should be illegal. :Twocents:
Putting the dash back in and vin is ok. It came from that 'car'.... No swapping going on here with
another body...
After they cut off the rust, twisted metal, etc ...I think they'll have even less to start with than this Mopar...no swapping going on here :icon_smile_big: and people say rebodies are a bad thing...at least with a rebody using a clean donor, it's still has it original issued Chrysler sheetmetal, what does this "restoration" have that makes it "restored back to original" :scratchchin: still nothing wrong with this measure either, I'm all for recreating or creating a vehicle in any way shape or form, I just find it funny how those who preach the righteous VIN/numbers restoration mantra would cringe if they saw how some high end cars that are later praised for the restoration that "saved" them, looked like this behind closed doors...this AMD built (recreated) Cuda was basically an AMD version of a Dynacorn "replacement" body, just an slight hint of the original car's "essence" and it's legit to wear it's original tags
FYI...even the front rails in that pic came from another Cuda :icon_smile_big:
Quote from: DAY CLONA on May 29, 2016, 01:04:02 AM
Quote from: odcics2 on May 28, 2016, 12:38:31 PM
Quote from: Patronus on May 27, 2016, 07:04:13 PM
Personally I just can't see it. That thing is yard art.
Putting that vin tag back on should be illegal. :Twocents:
Putting the dash back in and vin is ok. It came from that 'car'.... No swapping going on here with
another body...
After they cut off the rust, twisted metal, etc ...I think they'll have even less to start with than this Mopar...no swapping going on here :icon_smile_big: and people say rebodies are a bad thing...at least with a rebody using a clean donor, it's still has it original issued Chrysler sheetmetal, what does this "restoration" have that makes it "restored back to original" :scratchchin: still nothing wrong with this measure either, I'm all for recreating or creating a vehicle in any way shape or form, I just find it funny how those who preach the righteous VIN/numbers restoration mantra would cringe if they saw how some high end cars that are later praised for the restoration that "saved" them, looked like this behind closed doors...this AMD built (recreated) Cuda was basically an AMD version of a Dynacorn "replacement" body, just an slight hint of the original car's "essence" and it's legit to wear it's original tags
FYI...even the front rails in that pic came from another Cuda :icon_smile_big:
Hey look, it is a Daytona kit-car...
Quote from: DAY CLONA on May 29, 2016, 01:04:02 AM
Quote from: odcics2 on May 28, 2016, 12:38:31 PM
Quote from: Patronus on May 27, 2016, 07:04:13 PM
Personally I just can't see it. That thing is yard art.
Putting that vin tag back on should be illegal. :Twocents:
Putting the dash back in and vin is ok. It came from that 'car'.... No swapping going on here with
another body...
After they cut off the rust, twisted metal, etc ...I think they'll have even less to start with than this Mopar...no swapping going on here :icon_smile_big: and people say rebodies are a bad thing...at least with a rebody using a clean donor, it's still has it original issued Chrysler sheetmetal, what does this "restoration" have that makes it "restored back to original" :scratchchin: still nothing wrong with this measure either, I'm all for recreating or creating a vehicle in any way shape or form, I just find it funny how those who preach the righteous VIN/numbers restoration mantra would cringe if they saw how some high end cars that are later praised for the restoration that "saved" them, looked like this behind closed doors...this AMD built (recreated) Cuda was basically an AMD version of a Dynacorn "replacement" body, just an slight hint of the original car's "essence" and it's legit to wear it's original tags
FYI...even the front rails in that pic came from another Cuda :icon_smile_big:
funny mark said there's not enough of my Daytona to bring back yet all he saved from this car was the outer rockers and door jambs and of course body numbers. At least when I do get to my car I'll know there will be more of my original body saved than marks phantom re body.
Quote from: Nwcharger on May 31, 2016, 09:53:13 PM
Quote from: DAY CLONA on May 29, 2016, 01:04:02 AM
Quote from: odcics2 on May 28, 2016, 12:38:31 PM
Quote from: Patronus on May 27, 2016, 07:04:13 PM
Personally I just can't see it. That thing is yard art.
Putting that vin tag back on should be illegal. :Twocents:
Putting the dash back in and vin is ok. It came from that 'car'.... No swapping going on here with
another body...
After they cut off the rust, twisted metal, etc ...I think they'll have even less to start with than this Mopar...no swapping going on here :icon_smile_big: and people say rebodies are a bad thing...at least with a rebody using a clean donor, it's still has it original issued Chrysler sheetmetal, what does this "restoration" have that makes it "restored back to original" :scratchchin: still nothing wrong with this measure either, I'm all for recreating or creating a vehicle in any way shape or form, I just find it funny how those who preach the righteous VIN/numbers restoration mantra would cringe if they saw how some high end cars that are later praised for the restoration that "saved" them, looked like this behind closed doors...this AMD built (recreated) Cuda was basically an AMD version of a Dynacorn "replacement" body, just an slight hint of the original car's "essence" and it's legit to wear it's original tags
FYI...even the front rails in that pic came from another Cuda :icon_smile_big:
funny mark said there's not enough of my Daytona to bring back yet all he saved from this car was the outer rockers and door jambs and of course body numbers. At least when I do get to my car I'll know there will be more of my original body saved than marks phantom re body.
Number 1, the Cuda was well beyond Marks skill set, number 2, no way was he going to pull off recreating that car under the viewer's eye and call it a restoration, and number 3 the cost was probably well outside the budget allowed, so when AMD "volunteered" their services/products it was now easy-peasy...that's most likely why why he passed on your car
Does the dash VIN match the door VIN? To the DMV that's all that matters. Usually they don't even look at the door VIN sticker, if it's even there.
If you are keeping the car in state you could attach the VIN to a soup can and register and insure it, if you like.
Like it or not, that car is and always will be a real Daytona, because it's all about the VIN. The rest is just metal surrounding the VIN regardless of how it gets there.
Re-sale on something like that? :shruggy:
Quote from: crj1968 on June 02, 2016, 10:46:15 AM
Does the dash VIN match the door VIN? To the DMV that's all that matters. Usually they don't even look at the door VIN sticker, if it's even there.
Not every Daytona has a door VIN label. In fact, most of them do NOT have a VIN decal based on my research.
Ted's car falls into the category of a car that I would not expect to have a decal, and would be surprised/interested to see photos of it if it did have such.
Quote from: hemigeno on June 02, 2016, 11:50:49 AM
Not every Daytona has a door VIN label. In fact, most of them do NOT have a VIN decal based on my research.
Interesting...learn something new every day.
Didn't door VIN decals start with the 1970 model year?
Ben
Not sure if my thinking for door VIN stickers is right if some Daytona's had them but I'm assuming the Daytona's were a late 69 build, after the Charger 500s so maybe the decals were already starting to appear by the time they were built?? I mean the front clip/hood is basically a 70 Charger so I would assume so but I don't know much about the Daytona's honestly. I'll search the web for build dates to check this out and probably prove my theory wrong though. :icon_smile_big:
Hi Aero's,
One day there will be 503 Daytona's back in circulation again! :popcrn:
As the values rise and the Aero-Folks want one at any price, they will ALL return!!! :pity:
Its happening now with registered but 'un-built' British Exotica cars, (Racing Jaguars).
If the CAR existed then the 'POWERS to BE' will allow their re-creation...
So whats their value, a re-creation, no original parts , but a correct VIN?
Maybe half that of a documented ORIGINAL-Detroit metal Daytona? :scratchchin: :scratchchin: :scratchchin:
Most of US couldn't even afford one at HALF PRICE... :slap:
No silly WING/NOSE and much easier to PARK. :moon: :moon: :moon:
For me a C500 is rarer and MORE desirable anyways... :nana:
Quote from: 500Jon on June 05, 2016, 02:57:29 PM
Hi Aero's,
One day there will be 503 Daytona's back in circulation again! :popcrn:
As the values rise and the Aero-Folks want one at any price, they will ALL return!!! :pity:
Its happening now with registered but 'un-built' British Exotica cars, (Racing Jaguars).
If the CAR existed then the 'POWERS to BE' will allow their re-creation...
So whats their value, a re-creation, no original parts , but a correct VIN?
Maybe half that of a documented ORIGINAL-Detroit metal Daytona? :scratchchin: :scratchchin: :scratchchin:
Most of US couldn't even afford one at HALF PRICE... :slap:
No silly WING/NOSE and much easier to PARK. :moon: :moon: :moon:
For me a C500 is rarer and MORE desirable anyways... :nana:
:2thumbs:
I agree that the C500 is more desirable. But that is just my desire speaking. :shruggy:
IMO the changes made (for reasons other than aesthetics) to the 68-69 chargers to make the C500 are the only things that were an improvement on a great and classic piece of automotive sculpture.
I recall hearing about discussions at dodge in those days about putting a fresh air hood on the car as an option. It was nixed because the look of proposals took too much away from a great look.
The extreme changes to make the daytona came from another motive.----Rules made in the racing community.---
Some folks like art because it looks nice. --- Collectables however have value that is moved by various things. Only one of which is looks. :Twocents:
In just over two years time, Charger 500's will be FIFTY YEARS OLD!!!
You are sooo right in saying that the 69 Charger was and still is the finest 'ART' car to come outta of Detroit!!! :2thumbs: :2thumbs: :2thumbs:
Did the 500 Mods hurt the 69 Charger?
In my opinion NO... :pity:
But some Folks say yes, you can't improve on perfection, and/or GILD the LILY! :slap:
If the C500 had beeen successful, then the Daytona's would not have beeen built, then the Superbird may not have beeen built either??
Would Petty have come back to Plymouth in a 70 Roadrunner, even less Aero than the 69... :popcrn: I think NOT!!! :smilielol:
But what has Dodge got to offer now... :shruggy:
It don't matter to me as for nearly FIFTY years I've enjoyed the most beautiful CAR on the Planet! (C500 not Daytona).
God Bless AMERICA :patriot:
This Limey sure thanks you Guys and Gals for making my life a whole lot more fun with a MOPAR. :notworthy: :notworthy: :notworthy:
Win on a Sunday, buy one, then 'Terrorise the Tarmac' the rest of the week. :woohoo: :leaving: :spank:
The classic Ship of Theseus.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ship_of_Theseus
Quote from: RCCDrew on June 09, 2016, 12:17:21 PM
The classic Ship of Theseus.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ship_of_Theseus
Wow, I am totally outclassed!! A truly excellent link from RCCDrew, very interesting reading.
I thought I was doing good by to trying to shed a bit more light on the somewhat unusual "Gild the Lily" saying! Still, when is the last time Shakespeare has been mentioned on this forum? But Plutarch, Heraclitus and of course Aristotle still probably trumps Shakespeare.
Quote from: 500Jon on June 09, 2016, 09:22:21 AM
But some Folks say yes, you can't improve on perfection, and/or GILD the LILY! :slap:
http://www.phrases.org.uk/meanings/gild-the-lily.html (http://www.phrases.org.uk/meanings/gild-the-lily.html)
Quote from: hemi-hampton on May 20, 2016, 05:21:25 PM
Why would AMD want to show off how crappy the sheet metal fits, where you gotta cut & splice & re weld everything to make it fit right? :shruggy: :brickwall: :slap:
That part will be edited out of course.
Quote from: RCCDrew on June 09, 2016, 12:17:21 PM
The classic Ship of Theseus.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ship_of_Theseus
indeed....
Several variants are known, including the grandfather's axe, which has had both head and handle replaced. :icon_smile_big:
Quote from: crj1968 on June 09, 2016, 02:11:57 PM
Quote from: RCCDrew on June 09, 2016, 12:17:21 PM
The classic Ship of Theseus.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ship_of_Theseus
indeed....
Several variants are known, including the grandfather's axe, which has had both head and handle replaced. :icon_smile_big:
Another variant is George Washington's ax. The key detail of course is that only one part was replaced at a time. :icon_smile_big: First the handle, then the head, then the handle, then the head, etc.
If all the hacked off metal is piled up together such that the pile is more metal by weight than the original car, which is the original car? The car or the pile of metal?
The car is much more than the sum of its individual physical components.
Quote from: hemi-hampton on May 20, 2016, 05:21:25 PM
Why would AMD want to show off how crappy the sheet metal fits, where you gotta cut & splice & re weld everything to make it fit right? :shruggy: :brickwall: :slap:
Amen
I mean we even had to cut and shrink to remake the passengers side marker hole as it was crooked. C scallops on door skin was 2 inches longer than original doors, dutchmen panel to quarter fit was a joke same with the window corners.
My 70 parts were bought off the 1st release of AMD metal back ~2010 ish
Quote from: charger_fan_4ever on June 10, 2016, 11:57:26 AM
Quote from: hemi-hampton on May 20, 2016, 05:21:25 PM
Why would AMD want to show off how crappy the sheet metal fits, where you gotta cut & splice & re weld everything to make it fit right? :shruggy: :brickwall: :slap:
Amen
I mean we even had to cut and shrink to remake the passengers side marker hole as it was crooked. C scallops on door skin was 2 inches longer than original doors, dutchmen panel to quarter fit was a joke same with the window corners.
My 70 parts were bought off the 1st release of AMD metal back ~2010 ish
I'll agree with you on the side marker issues, this is a problem on many of their skins, not just Charger, or other B body panels, but because it's a secondary operation and the panel/die/stamp orientation of the marker light depression probably is reliant on operator set up, you find the same issue on some factory NOS skins as well...as far as the door scallops being more defined and 2" longer, they IMHO actual look better than the originals!, unless your doing a 70 R/T side scoop there's really no issues unless your fanatical about a side by side comparison of repro vs original, I've done a few of the AMD dutchmans, usually because they owner has thrown in the towel over frustration trying it themselves, claiming it needs to be "hacked/cut/welded/etc" to fit, often just a small amount of dolling/hammer and some shrinker/expander and the panel fits nicely without the "needed cut and hack" that most backyard and inexperienced bodyman seem to think the panels need...
Regardless of the "minor" inconveniences that some of the AMD panels have, 1 its better than looking for non-existent overpriced NOS or clean original take offs, 2 having to fabricate your own panels from a sheet of steel, or 3 "frankensteining" your car with a plethora of patches/patch panels and stitchwelds, AMD is your saving grace, for those that have been in the hobby 30-40 years knowing when NOTHING was available for vintage Mopars, EVEN NOS, or clean ORIGINAL, I'll deal with the trivial needs to have a full qtr panel or door skin/shell, or fender,etc, from AMD any day of the week
Mike
Look at a picture of yourself 40 years difference, if you are old enough. Even though you may not even be recognizable from your younger self, Are you still you? You still have the same social security number and birth certificate saying you are.
When I restored a 69 roadrunner a few years back, they, AMD just came out with 69 Roadrunner Fenders. Owner said what do you think about that. I said I rather drive to Stephens performance in Alabama & pick up 2 used ones then AMD. And I did. Only got 1 though as the other one was a 69 with 68 headlight bucket welded in so passed on that one, Ended making my own patch for Rusty original. They both fit like a glove when I installed them. Soon after I hear people complain the AMD's fit like crap & they do, I seen them. I've been restoring cars since 1984, long before any aftermarket was around. Only aftermarket around then was a new company called Sherman & Associates. LEON.
Quote from: DAY CLONA on June 10, 2016, 12:42:57 PM
Quote from: charger_fan_4ever on June 10, 2016, 11:57:26 AM
Quote from: hemi-hampton on May 20, 2016, 05:21:25 PM
Why would AMD want to show off how crappy the sheet metal fits, where you gotta cut & splice & re weld everything to make it fit right? :shruggy: :brickwall: :slap:
Amen
I mean we even had to cut and shrink to remake the passengers side marker hole as it was crooked. C scallops on door skin was 2 inches longer than original doors, dutchmen panel to quarter fit was a joke same with the window corners.
My 70 parts were bought off the 1st release of AMD metal back ~2010 ish
I'll agree with you on the side marker issues, this is a problem on many of their skins, not just Charger, or other B body panels, but because it's a secondary operation and the panel/die/stamp orientation of the marker light depression probably is reliant on operator set up, you find the same issue on some factory NOS skins as well...as far as the door scallops being more defined and 2" longer, they IMHO actual look better than the originals!, unless your doing a 70 R/T side scoop there's really no issues unless your fanatical about a side by side comparison of repro vs original, I've done a few of the AMD dutchmans, usually because they owner has thrown in the towel over frustration trying it themselves, claiming it needs to be "hacked/cut/welded/etc" to fit, often just a small amount of dolling/hammer and some shrinker/expander and the panel fits nicely without the "needed cut and hack" that most backyard and inexperienced bodyman seem to think the panels need...
Regardless of the "minor" inconveniences that some of the AMD panels have, 1 its better than looking for non-existent overpriced NOS or clean original take offs, 2 having to fabricate your own panels from a sheet of steel, or 3 "frankensteining" your car with a plethora of patches/patch panels and stitchwelds, AMD is your saving grace, for those that have been in the hobby 30-40 years knowing when NOTHING was available for vintage Mopars, EVEN NOS, or clean ORIGINAL, I'll deal with the trivial needs to have a full qtr panel or door skin/shell, or fender,etc, from AMD any day of the week
Mike
Yes it's an RT so the scallop stuck out past the scoop.wasnt the end of the world but for $400 I expected better.
You mean you never had any fitment issues with the rear window trim where the Dutchmen meets the quarter panel in the bottom corners?
Quote from: hemi-hampton on June 10, 2016, 06:52:51 PM
When I restored a 69 roadrunner a few years back, they, AMD just came out with 69 Roadrunner Fenders. Owner said what do you think about that. I said I rather drive to Stephens performance in Alabama & pick up 2 used ones then AMD. And I did. Only got 1 though as the other one was a 69 with 68 headlight bucket welded in so passed on that one, Ended making my own patch for Rusty original. They both fit like a glove when I installed them. Soon after I hear people complain the AMD's fit like crap & they do, I seen them. I've been restoring cars since 1984, long before any aftermarket was around. Only aftermarket around then was a new company called Sherman & Associates. LEON.
The owner of this car 69A12 bought all the AMD panels available at the time, spent months trying to hang and align then, swore up and down they were junk, wanted to resort to fixing all the old junk taken off, this car was at a licensed bodyshop when I was contacted to "assist" (I end up doing the whole car) in hanging the sheetmetal, only took about 6hrs for me to initially hang the full AMD qtrs, dutchman, trunk extensions, yet 3 guys tried for months, both doors took about 3 hrs, the front end sheetmetal took about 4 hrs to hang and align, I spent about a month (AFTER WORKING 10-12 hrs at my day job), priming and blocking, and painting at night after hours in their shop, the AMD panels only required a few coats of primer to straighten, yes the rear marker lights required rework (trivial) but all the other panels fit as good if not BETTER than factory, meanwhile I had 3 boobs (skilled bodyman) watching me everyday for a month "questioning" my techniques, when all they could do all day was fuck up a spoon fed lunch
Quote from: charger_fan_4ever on June 10, 2016, 07:34:40 PM
Yes it's an RT so the scallop stuck out past the scoop.wasnt the end of the world but for $400 I expected better.
You mean you never had any fitment issues with the rear window trim where the Dutchmen meets the quarter panel in the bottom corners?
I'll agree with you, the dutchman panel is too flat, and sometimes the matching window radius in the sail panel isn't as needed, and I've seen some guys work (usually after paint) where the fit of the trim and gap are horrible, but a little work with a hammer and dolly, a shrinker/expander will work wonders, but common sense not necessarily experience would dictate multiple fittings and having on hand ALL components that will be assemble later to be test fitted before final weld/bodywork
here's an example of poor workmanship in not test fitting components BEFORE paint (GYC)
Quote from: DAY CLONA on June 10, 2016, 08:05:00 PM
Quote from: charger_fan_4ever on June 10, 2016, 07:34:40 PM
Yes it's an RT so the scallop stuck out past the scoop.wasnt the end of the world but for $400 I expected better.
You mean you never had any fitment issues with the rear window trim where the Dutchmen meets the quarter panel in the bottom corners?
I'll agree with you, the dutchman panel is too flat, and sometimes the matching window radius in the sail panel isn't as needed, and I've seen some guys work (usually after paint) where the fit of the trim and gap are horrible, but a little work with a hammer and dolly, a shrinker/expander will work wonders, but common sense not necessarily experience would dictate multiple fittings and having on hand ALL components that will be assemble later to be test fitted before final weld/bodywork
here's an example of poor workmanship in not test fitting components BEFORE paint (GYC)
Yikes I would expect that from someone in their backyard shop, but not these big names.Can't imagine sending something out like that.
Quote from: DAY CLONA on June 10, 2016, 07:44:50 PM
Quote from: hemi-hampton on June 10, 2016, 06:52:51 PM
When I restored a 69 roadrunner a few years back, they, AMD just came out with 69 Roadrunner Fenders. Owner said what do you think about that. I said I rather drive to Stephens performance in Alabama & pick up 2 used ones then AMD. And I did. Only got 1 though as the other one was a 69 with 68 headlight bucket welded in so passed on that one, Ended making my own patch for Rusty original. They both fit like a glove when I installed them. Soon after I hear people complain the AMD's fit like crap & they do, I seen them. I've been restoring cars since 1984, long before any aftermarket was around. Only aftermarket around then was a new company called Sherman & Associates. LEON.
The owner of this car 69A12 bought all the AMD panels available at the time, spent months trying to hang and align then, swore up and down they were junk, wanted to resort to fixing all the old junk taken off, this car was at a licensed bodyshop when I was contacted to "assist" (I end up doing the whole car) in hanging the sheetmetal, only took about 6hrs for me to initially hang the full AMD qtrs, dutchman, trunk extensions, yet 3 guys tried for months, both doors took about 3 hrs, the front end sheetmetal took about 4 hrs to hang and align, I spent about a month (AFTER WORKING 10-12 hrs at my day job), priming and blocking, and painting at night after hours in their shop, the AMD panels only required a few coats of primer to straighten, yes the rear marker lights required rework (trivial) but all the other panels fit as good if not BETTER than factory, meanwhile I had 3 boobs (skilled bodyman) watching me everyday for a month "questioning" my techniques, when all they could do all day was fuck up a spoon fed lunch
I got pics of factory & aftermarket that show they are just made wrong. I got brackets welded 1/2" to low & are 1/2" to wide. You cant hammer & dolly a 1/2 off a thick metal brackett. LEON.
''Triggers Broom'' indeed!
If you guys get any time off from fixing your lovely Mopars, watch a few episodes of the Limey SitCom '' only FOOLS and HORSES ''.
There is no real point in discussing the rights and wrongs of RESTO!
You either agree with it or you are not a car GUY!!!
If you weren't fortunate enough to get a Daytona in the first ten years , then you probably got a ''BASKET CASE'' now.
If you bust your YARD-BROOM, do you fix it or but another?
Some Folks take the trouble to repair them and they SURVIVE, like 'TRIGG'S BROOM''.
Land-Fill is full of DEAD MOPARS, WHILST some Folks took the trouble to look after them.
Some Folks put a tarp over them and hoped one day they will get around to restoring their 'pride and joy' (worst thing to do).
As we all know RESTO is DEAR and time consuming...
HATS OF TO THOSE WHO TAKE THE TIME AND TROUBLE TO DO IT!!! :pity:
Without them, all we would have is grainy pictures of the GLORY DAYS...
If I found a wrecked Daytona in a ditch, cave, barn, outhouse, I would be the happiest guy on the PLANET!!! :cheers: :cheers: :cheers:
I don't care what you GUYS think I should do with it, it would be my CAR, NOT YOURS... :slap:
Look at the window, ''ITS A SIGN'' from the God of MOPARS!!! :2thumbs:
Quote from: hemi-hampton on June 10, 2016, 10:28:13 PM
Quote from: DAY CLONA on June 10, 2016, 07:44:50 PM
Quote from: hemi-hampton on June 10, 2016, 06:52:51 PM
When I restored a 69 roadrunner a few years back, they, AMD just came out with 69 Roadrunner Fenders. Owner said what do you think about that. I said I rather drive to Stephens performance in Alabama & pick up 2 used ones then AMD. And I did. Only got 1 though as the other one was a 69 with 68 headlight bucket welded in so passed on that one, Ended making my own patch for Rusty original. They both fit like a glove when I installed them. Soon after I hear people complain the AMD's fit like crap & they do, I seen them. I've been restoring cars since 1984, long before any aftermarket was around. Only aftermarket around then was a new company called Sherman & Associates. LEON.
The owner of this car 69A12 bought all the AMD panels available at the time, spent months trying to hang and align then, swore up and down they were junk, wanted to resort to fixing all the old junk taken off, this car was at a licensed bodyshop when I was contacted to "assist" (I end up doing the whole car) in hanging the sheetmetal, only took about 6hrs for me to initially hang the full AMD qtrs, dutchman, trunk extensions, yet 3 guys tried for months, both doors took about 3 hrs, the front end sheetmetal took about 4 hrs to hang and align, I spent about a month (AFTER WORKING 10-12 hrs at my day job), priming and blocking, and painting at night after hours in their shop, the AMD panels only required a few coats of primer to straighten, yes the rear marker lights required rework (trivial) but all the other panels fit as good if not BETTER than factory, meanwhile I had 3 boobs (skilled bodyman) watching me everyday for a month "questioning" my techniques, when all they could do all day was fuck up a spoon fed lunch
I got pics of factory & aftermarket that show they are just made wrong. I got brackets welded 1/2" to low & are 1/2" to wide. You cant hammer & dolly a 1/2 off a thick metal brackett. LEON.
No you can't, but you can trim a 1/2" off, and you can relocate a bracket 1/2" higher, a lot of guys I guess are under the impression you just open the box and the AMD part installs itself?...I've seen guys trying to install original used replacement fenders, hoods, trunks, or doors and still FUBAR the install, in fact sometimes even the original parts they took off their own car! we could go on all day with senarios....the bottom line is, right or wrong, at least there's a part AVAILABLE, I plied my early bodyman days in a shop where we were "forced" to handcraft entire panels or repair sections from raw steel stock, esp for antique vehicles where nothing existed, so having 95-99% of the work done for you by AMD is a blessing, and at a decent price, it's just that in this "click-click.com" age of expecting instant gratification, most have become jaded and lazy
Well said DC!
A 50 year old car body is an almost hand assembled Jigsaw of large metaly bits on a constantly moving conveyor.
By the time the doors and fenders get to be hung at the end of the line, its a LOTTERY for fit!
Small variances in body alignment can soon add up to a BIG mismatch indeed!!! :brickwall:
Wide and un-parallel gaps were just 'how they were' back in the day.
If you wanna put them right you will need a ROBOT like they have in modern car factories.
Back in they Heyday of American cars in the UK, my friend was a panel beater for a large London garage.
He says it was a NIGHTMARE panel fitting 50's/60's/70's American cars! :slap:
Most NEW panels came OVERSIZE and had to be 'cut to fit' and was extremely time consuming.
BIG-GAPS were the order of the day as Tight-gaps always resulted in paint chips on TWO-TON Flexi-bodies.
The problem is the 'perception of perfection' is never the same as in the REAL-WORLD!!! :pigsfly: :pigsfly: :pigsfly:
Just look at the grille alignment problems you get with the C500!
The 69 grille is obviously higher in the middle than the 68 Coronet grille?
Some front ends fit better than others.
Hi Greg,
I believe the lovely BLUE C500 is an un-restored car?
What excuse the other guys have, I'm not sure??? :popcrn:
500Jon
Old Guys leaning on the grille don't help?
Quote from: odcics2 on June 12, 2016, 07:30:31 AM
Some front ends fit better than others.
Looks like a whole lotta fiberglass on that front end...hood, valence, etc. No wonder it fits nice! ;D
Did c500 come with the high bumper guards as an option?
never seen one. almost always On Special Editions though.
Even so called 'rust free cars' end up looking like TED's Daytona at the Bodyshop!
Where do you draw the line when it comes to stripping DOWN??? :slap:
Seen 'driving cars' looking worse than this after a metalman has been let loose with the instructions, '' I want ALL the RUST removed PLEASE''! :smilielol:
There's always AMD! :pity:
Hourly rates on JIG hire... :scratchchin:
Not sure I would have used the 'CHOP____' logo in my advert though? :slap:
A good friend of mine was arrested for removing a rear quarter panel with the 'hidden' vin number still attached!
Thats probably why the Charger in the first pic still has the trunk-gutter rails still attached... :2thumbs:
Remove the left rear quarter with great care, especially if a Policeman is watching. :slap: :slap: :slap:
You have been warned, they are watching you... :nutkick: :patriot:
YEP, ITS ILLEGAL, here in Limeyland too... :hack:
Must be OK in AMD-WORLD??? :shruggy:
Quote from: Aero426 on May 18, 2016, 04:42:28 PM
Well, it looks like the Ted Stephens yard art Daytona is getting restored on Chop Cut Rebuild.
:shruggy: :shruggy: :icon_smile_question: :icon_smile_question: :icon_smile_question: :icon_smile_question: :icon_smile_question: :shruggy: :popcrn: :popcrn: :popcrn:
Quote from: djcarguy on June 18, 2016, 06:03:11 PM
Quote from: Aero426 on May 18, 2016, 04:42:28 PM
Well, it looks like the Ted Stephens yard art Daytona is getting restored on Chop Cut Rebuild.
:shruggy: :shruggy: :icon_smile_question: :icon_smile_question: :icon_smile_question: :icon_smile_question: :icon_smile_question: :shruggy: :popcrn: :popcrn: :popcrn:
:popcrn:
Is it done yet :popcrn:
Has this turned into:
1. AMD Day 1 pics and video
2. AMD Day 2 pics and video
3. ?????
4. Profit!
Probably a media embargo of sorts, so it can make a big splash later. Then item #4.
It is not being fully restored. And there are some disagreements on what direction to go with it. So it is in limbo.
having cut it up already they probably came to the realization that it is not and wasn't a "restoration" candidate in the first place
Quote from: Devil on July 12, 2016, 03:37:49 PM
It is not being fully restored. And there are some disagreements on what direction to go with it. So it is in limbo.
that's an interesting out come ! by the looks of it thought / think the only way forward , IS a complete restoration saving as much of the original car as possible & using AMD & good used parts as necessary , to make the car look as stock as possible , think no matter whats done , there will only be 20% of the original car left :shruggy: :yesnod:
:popcrn:
Quote from: Devil on July 12, 2016, 03:37:49 PM
It is not being fully restored. And there are some disagreements on what direction to go with it. So it is in limbo.
One would have thought this would have been figured out ahead of time...
How can you cut it up this much & not do a full resto, only half a resto then :scratchchin: :shruggy: :slap: I think they realized they got in over there head & it will cost more to do then what it's worth. Who's paying for all that work?
Quote from: tan top on July 13, 2016, 12:54:20 PM
there will only be 20% of the original car left :shruggy: :yesnod:
:popcrn:
That estimate is way too generous :rofl:
They just want it as a showcase tool. AMD mounts all the sheet metal they have for the Daytona/Charger to the Stephens Daytona, and then roll it around everywhere showing it off.
SO, A Skeleton display model :scratchchin:
Quote from: Devil on July 13, 2016, 11:09:06 PM
They just want it as a showcase tool. AMD mounts all the sheet metal they have for the Daytona/Charger to the Stephens Daytona, and then roll it around everywhere showing it off.
:icon_smile_question: :icon_smile_question: :shruggy: :shruggy: :shruggy: :popcrn: :brickwall: :brickwall:
:popcrn:
Any new up dates or pics? :popcrn:
So AMD is holding whats left of the daytona hostage???? :rotz:
:popcrn: :popcrn: :popcrn:
Quote from: odcics2 on June 12, 2016, 07:30:31 AM
Some front ends fit better than others.
Depends on your definition of restored. Mine was rebuilt. The hood on mine had been pushed down about two in. in the center from an accident prior to me getting it so I made it fit the car,no big deal. For a hood that is high in the center you make it fit. :Twocents:
Quote from: charger_fan_4ever on September 07, 2016, 07:57:24 AM
So AMD is holding whats left of the daytona hostage???? :rotz:
:icon_smile_question: :icon_smile_question: :icon_smile_question: :popcrn: :popcrn: :brickwall: :icon_smile_question:
Quote from: Devil on July 13, 2016, 11:09:06 PM
They just want it as a showcase tool. AMD mounts all the sheet metal they have for the Daytona/Charger to the Stephens Daytona, and then roll it around everywhere showing it off.
They could have done that with the one I did.
New pics of the Ted Stephens car.
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Clock is ticking for SEMA. Looks like the car is getting close.
So AMD is making a plug and trunklid for the aero cars ? Glass wing ? steel nose ? Wonder what they did for fenders/hood. Are they all supposed to be AMD parts ?
P :o wow :popcrn: :scratchchin:
wonder if the nose is glass or metal? and if metal, who made it?
Hey, I like it, good for them....real or not it's cool as shit
Quote from: qwick68 on October 18, 2016, 08:46:17 PM
Hey, I like it, good for them....real or not it's cool as shit
:2thumbs: :coolgleamA:
Quote from: charger_fan_4ever on October 18, 2016, 02:01:55 PM
So AMD is making a plug and trunklid for the aero cars ? Glass wing ? steel nose ? Wonder what they did for fenders/hood. Are they all supposed to be AMD parts ?
:popcrn: if they are I mite have to get me another charger to make me a Daytona clone. :scratchchin:
Any one hear any rumors about a.m.d doing this?
Quote from: Aero426 on October 18, 2016, 01:58:23 PM
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Hey I see an original trunk hing. LOL
I think it looks pretty damn good. And yes I wonder if it is a steel nose cone. Sure looks like it.
I just got off the phone with AMD, The man told me that they were not making any Daytona parts that are not listed on there web sight. :shruggy: I also informed them that there rear window trim is WAY off. WTF. (Wingman). Jay.
Quote from: WINGMAN on October 19, 2016, 10:35:38 AM
I just got off the phone with AMD, The man told me that they were not making any Daytona parts that are not listed on there web sight. :shruggy: I also informed them that there rear window trim is WAY off. WTF. (Wingman). Jay.
So a repro metal place is showcasing their daytona restoration, but forget to mention they do not actually offer daytona specific parts like fenders/hood/plug/nose/wing ect ? Convenient that all the parts are in the same black ecoat, so one would assume all AMD. :spank:
I wonder who actually made the plug/nose ect
So the wing is not theirs. The plug is not theirs.The nose is not theirs. There are no reverse fender scoops available for purchase. Oh and by the way. Where did they get the 70 fenders and hood? What exactly are they trying to get me to buy with this show case of things you can't buy? :shruggy:
Quote from: Stevearino on October 20, 2016, 07:09:31 PM
So the wing is not theirs. The plug is not theirs.The nose is not theirs. There are no reverse fender scoops available for purchase. Oh and by the way. Where did they get the 70 fenders and hood? What exactly are they trying to get me to buy with this show case of things you can't buy? :shruggy:
you are deciphering this wrong. what it really wants YOU to do, is make me a nose cone assembly
Quote from: WINGMAN on October 19, 2016, 10:35:38 AM
I just got off the phone with AMD, The man told me that they were not making any Daytona parts that are not listed on there web sight. :shruggy: I also informed them that there rear window trim is WAY off. WTF. (Wingman). Jay.
Maybe I'll be able to sell my original set of Daytona/500 rear window trim now that folks know the repops are WAY off...
Anyone interested - please see "for sale" section...
Quote from: odcics2 on October 22, 2016, 09:01:28 AM
Quote from: WINGMAN on October 19, 2016, 10:35:38 AM
I just got off the phone with AMD, The man told me that they were not making any Daytona parts that are not listed on there web sight. :shruggy: I also informed them that there rear window trim is WAY off. WTF. (Wingman). Jay.
Maybe I'll be able to sell my original set of Daytona/500 rear window trim now that folks know the repops are WAY off...
Anyone interested - please see "for sale" section...
I can confirm the fit issue, as I got a set from them last November. My car is in the body shop for paint, and test fitted the trim before it went for paint and the fit was way off mainly the two upper pieces. I ended up using their set and my original set and made what I needed. I also talked to Roger Gibson about this issue and he told them that it didn't fit and needed to be refined, and this was before I get my set. Just a FYI
Curt
Quote from: panhead on October 22, 2016, 09:27:16 AM
Quote from: odcics2 on October 22, 2016, 09:01:28 AM
Quote from: WINGMAN on October 19, 2016, 10:35:38 AM
I just got off the phone with AMD, The man told me that they were not making any Daytona parts that are not listed on there web sight. :shruggy: I also informed them that there rear window trim is WAY off. WTF. (Wingman). Jay.
Maybe I'll be able to sell my original set of Daytona/500 rear window trim now that folks know the repops are WAY off...
Anyone interested - please see "for sale" section...
I can confirm the fit issue, as I got a set from them last November. My car is in the body shop for paint, and test fitted the trim before it went for paint and the fit was way off mainly the two upper pieces. I ended up using their set and my original set and made what I needed. I also talked to Roger Gibson about this issue and he told them that it didn't fit and needed to be refined, and this was before I get my set. Just a FYI
Curt
No surprise, I've had many fitment issues with after market &/or reproduction in the past. LEON.
Are the 2 small lower pieces of back window chrome trim the same parts as on a regular 1969 Charger ?
YES! The 2 lower corners are the same as a 69 Charger but they are flipped side to side.
In addition the long straight lower piece can be used but it's about 1 1/2" shorter and barely fits under the corners.
MJ
:scratchchin: :popcrn:
Quote from: Mopar John on October 22, 2016, 06:06:58 PM
YES! The 2 lower corners are the same as a 69 Charger but they are flipped side to side.
In addition the long straight lower piece can be used but it's about 1 1/2" shorter and barely fits under the corners.
MJ
...and it's arched...
Bottom line: the 3 main parts are unique to the 500 & Daytona.
I would think the plug,nose and fenders are fiberglass. :Twocents:
<thread derail post>
curt, have you considered making front end sheet metal to sell? nose, valance, z-brackets, etc
if so, i'd like to discuss it with you
<and now back to the regularly scheduled programming>
Saw on Fb people are saying its all AMD parts.
The pic of the plug really looks like steel. Looked in the 70 charger section of AMD under fenders and only a patch panel available, no hood either.
Quote from: charger_fan_4ever on October 28, 2016, 12:54:33 PM
Saw on Fb people are saying its all AMD parts.
The pic of the plug really looks like steel. Looked in the 70 charger section of AMD under fenders and only a patch panel available, no hood either.
From what I just read from a "Chop Cut Rebuild" response, they are saying the hood, fenders, trunk lid and wing are all OEM parts. No mention of the nose or front valence.
I have no ideal on if the team is using OEM parts, but you have to know that Ted has been collecting parts for 40 years for these cars and he may as well have all of the unique parts to put it back together with either NOS or excellent used components.
Quote from: 69bfan on October 28, 2016, 07:59:13 PM
I have no ideal on if the team is using OEM parts, but you have to know that Ted has been collecting parts for 40 years for these cars and he may as well have all of the unique parts to put it back together with either NOS or excellent used components.
That could be very true. And that could be one of the reasons he has held on to that car as long as he has. Some of those part may have came off that car. :scratchchin: :popcrn:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EoHoTDxva0A
Good thing they started with a "very solid piece of original air" :lol:
Quote from: Moparpoolman on October 29, 2016, 08:51:29 AM
Good thing they started with a "very solid piece of original air" :lol:
This is the new "politically correct" form of rebody restoration, it's now become more fashionable for a "nobody" restoration so as to not endanger any potential rebody donor vehicles :icon_smile_big:
Its the new 'Maximus' trend... :scratchchin:
Do all the bodywork and CLEARCOAT it.
Saves a fortune in paint and prep... :slap:
Quote from: 500Jon on October 31, 2016, 10:26:30 AM
Its the new 'Maximus' trend... :scratchchin:
Do all the bodywork and CLEARCOAT it.
Saves a fortune in paint and prep... :slap:
HEY!! That's what my Hot Wheels Charger looked like when all the paint fell off!! :smilielol:
Wondering what would you do, if it was your car? Would you really just sit it on the front lawn and let it rot? Or would restore it publicly so that EVERYONE knows what you are doing?
What did people do before the Interweb and AMD... Re body....
Quote from: Derwud on October 31, 2016, 03:26:06 PM
Wondering what would you do, if it was your car? Would you really just sit it on the front lawn and let it rot? Or would restore it publicly so that EVERYONE knows what you are doing?
What did people do before the Interweb and AMD... Re body....
People still rebody now, even after the Interweb & AMD. LEON.
Quote from: hemi-hampton on October 31, 2016, 10:46:50 PM
Quote from: Derwud on October 31, 2016, 03:26:06 PM
What did people do before the Interweb and AMD... Re body....?
Find an original donor car for all the needed metal. Arizona, New Mexico Nevada CA has cars that would be fine. Use it for body panels, floor pans, trunk pans, frame rail sections, etc.
A car restored with OEM metal is better than one with repop parts. Heck, at least the original stuff fits right!
Quote from: odcics2 on November 01, 2016, 01:54:05 PM
Quote from: hemi-hampton on October 31, 2016, 10:46:50 PM
Quote from: Derwud on October 31, 2016, 03:26:06 PM
What did people do before the Interweb and AMD... Re body....?
Find an original donor car for all the needed metal. Arizona, New Mexico Nevada CA has cars that would be fine. Use it for body panels, floor pans, trunk pans, frame rail sections, etc.
A car restored with OEM metal is better than one with repop parts. Heck, at least the original stuff fits right!
I have to agree with this & what I usually do since I hate aftermarket. LEON.
AMD versus REBODY? :scratchchin:
As we all know, the Charger bodies were NOT specially selected for a myriad of modifications before being turned into R/T's and then C500's or Daytona's.
Even the hemi boxes were a rather badly fitted after thought at best!
So in my eyes, a rebody is still a viable option for a super-rare Mopar!
Trouble is, in two years time the first of the C500's will be FIFTY years old and so will their DONOR bodies TOO... :slap:
No point replacing RUST with MORE RUST... :smilielol: :smilielol: :smilielol:
I know guys chopping OFF first-generation TAIWANESE quarter panels (rust issues) and replacing them with REAL MOPAR TIN!!!
WE LIVE AND LEARN... :popcrn:
Just a heads up. They have the original fender tag and VIN plate now. They were able to get it from the old guy that had them.
Sweet! :2thumbs:
Old Guy saw sense once he realised it would look bad with two rebodied Daytona's with the same vin numbers... :slap:
There is a God and he drives Mopar...(maybe even a Wingcar...) :scratchchin:
So that's the reason he is putting the car back together. :popcrn:
Quote from: charger chris on November 07, 2016, 07:59:37 AM
So that's the reason he is putting the car back together. :popcrn:
Thats what I thought. Now it will be selling for big bucks. :scratchchin: :shruggy:
Well the Daytona is done seen a video on Facebook. It was a short one but it is done. :drool5:
I actually saw it in person a few days ago. And it isn't all the way done.
Quote from: Devil on November 13, 2016, 05:00:06 PM
I actually saw it in person a few days ago. And it isn't all the way done.
The metal work is done right or did they just make it look like it? So are they going to be finisheing it all the way so they can drive it?
Most of the metal work is done. They will continue ahead an put more parts on the car.
Anyone have the FB link?
They are showing the Daytona build on MAVTV. Just recorded the Greasy Jungle episode. Seen two episodes now. Chop Cut Rebuild is on Facebook with it also.
So they are building a new car with that vin number then! Nothing there worth saving imo.....will have to try and find an episode on line....just out of curiosity!
here is part of the conversation on Facebook:
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Rudy Falcomer
Rudy Falcomer Hi Dan. Why criteria did you use, apart from the rarity of this car, to decide it was worth saving?. How much of an original car is required to still be intact to be considered the real deal once restoration is over? Impressed that you take on such a labor of love,blood ,sweat and tears.
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Chop Cut Rebuild
Chop Cut Rebuild Hey Rudy Falcomer! The rarity of the car is a big factor. But, so too is the ability to source quality replacement parts. This project is intended to support the Auto Metal Direct philosophy "Never Too Far Gone". The capability to rebuild this car is far easier now than 10 years ago. Parts are much better quality.
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Great show, I posted on this months ago, it will get merged with the rest.
Add your URL Mopar Nut
http://www.dodgecharger.com/forum/index.php/topic,124028.0.html
https://www.facebook.com/pages/Chop-Cut-Rebuild/105521382814612?fref=ts
Small World...
I just purchased, FINALLY, my new AMD roof skin for my Superbird for Bill over at Classic Muscle Metal. I believe this is the shop that's doing Ted's car and show? Near AMD's shop I do believe.... Spoke with Bill and he had a roof skin ready for me to ship.. AMD is still waiting on the next patch of skins to arrive.........
Also, thanks to Cody for hooking me up !!
T
Quote from: hemi68charger on December 20, 2016, 02:48:46 PM
Small World...
I just purchased, FINALLY, my new AMD roof skin for my Superbird for Bill over at Classic Muscle Metal. I believe this is the shop that's doing Ted's car and show? Near AMD's shop I do believe.... Spoke with Bill and he had a roof skin ready for me to ship.. AMD is still waiting on the next patch of skins to arrive.........
Also, thanks to Cody for hooking me up !!
T
No problem Troy! Glad he was able to hook you up! :cheers: Yes, they are the one's doing Ted's car! :2thumbs:
http://moparconnectionmagazine.com/gallery-stephens-performance-69-daytona-brought-back-to-life/
Quote from: 69bronzeT5 on December 20, 2016, 02:53:37 PM
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No problem Troy! Glad he was able to hook you up! :cheers: Yes, they are the one's doing Ted's car! :2thumbs:
http://moparconnectionmagazine.com/gallery-stephens-performance-69-daytona-brought-back-to-life/
Cool article Cody.......... And, per my conversation with Bill last night, I discovered Gary Beineke was involved with the rear window plug.. and sure enough, lookie there........ He's in the picture......
OK Cody, now where's the link to MY article...... :icon_smile_big: I have yet to find it.......
Quote from: hemi68charger on December 20, 2016, 03:03:32 PM
Quote from: 69bronzeT5 on December 20, 2016, 02:53:37 PM
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No problem Troy! Glad he was able to hook you up! :cheers: Yes, they are the one's doing Ted's car! :2thumbs:
http://moparconnectionmagazine.com/gallery-stephens-performance-69-daytona-brought-back-to-life/
Cool article Cody.......... And, per my conversation with Bill last night, I discovered Gary Beineke was involved with the rear window plug.. and sure enough, lookie there........ He's in the picture......
OK Cody, now where's the link to MY article...... :icon_smile_big: I have yet to find it.......
Very cool :cheers: Have the article on your Daytona on my list of to-dos :2thumbs:
ON page 1,second pic? look in the back ground past the DEAD crashed rusted twisted ,cut up striped DAYTONA remains.. could that bee the ? replacement? donor charger body in black?? seen in back under daytona on the lift?? ?? All the rest of the pic are taken aiming to the other side of the shop?? :icon_smile_question: :2thumbs: :shruggy: DID THEY rebuild it in a few months?/ :2thumbs:
Quote from: djcarguy on December 24, 2016, 08:40:11 AM
ON page 1,second pic? look in the back ground past the DEAD crashed rusted twisted ,cut up striped DAYTONA remains.. could that bee the ? replacement? donor charger body in black?? seen in back under daytona on the lift?? ?? All the rest of the pic are taken aiming to the other side of the shop?? :icon_smile_question: :2thumbs: :shruggy: DID THEY rebuild it in a few months?/ :2thumbs:
No they didn't use a donor car supposedly. They basically built the entire underside (frame rails, floor pans etc) with brand new parts then dropped what was left of the original car on top. Everything else is brand new parts besides the Daytona specific parts.
I guess now a donor car is not needed for a major project. Ill bet someone would fork out $150.000.00 for it. I saw a black superbird for sale on www.webeautos.com website and were asking $125.000.00 for it. It probably is a roadrunner 383 body but wow on the price. Im sure if the nosecone and components are not original later on when he finds the stuff its probably going to be replaced out. in a nutshell its a real good advertisement for all who did the rebuild.
With the availability of AMD parts a donor car isn't needed like it used to be..
Quote from: 69bronzeT5 on December 24, 2016, 01:21:35 PM
Quote from: djcarguy on December 24, 2016, 08:40:11 AM
ON page 1,second pic? look in the back ground past the DEAD crashed rusted twisted ,cut up striped DAYTONA remains.. could that bee the ? replacement? donor charger body in black?? seen in back under daytona on the lift?? ?? All the rest of the pic are taken aiming to the other side of the shop?? :icon_smile_question: :2thumbs: :shruggy: DID THEY rebuild it in a few months?/ :2thumbs:
No they didn't use a donor car supposedly. They basically built the entire underside (frame rails, floor pans etc) with brand new parts then dropped what was left of the original car on top. Everything else is brand new parts besides the Daytona specific parts.
While they used as much AMD new metal as Ted wanted, there was plenty of parts pulled from a donor vehicle or two in the yard.
Quote from: Devil on January 05, 2017, 12:22:26 PM
Quote from: 69bronzeT5 on December 24, 2016, 01:21:35 PM
Quote from: djcarguy on December 24, 2016, 08:40:11 AM
ON page 1,second pic? look in the back ground past the DEAD crashed rusted twisted ,cut up striped DAYTONA remains.. could that bee the ? replacement? donor charger body in black?? seen in back under daytona on the lift?? ?? All the rest of the pic are taken aiming to the other side of the shop?? :icon_smile_question: :2thumbs: :shruggy: DID THEY rebuild it in a few months?/ :2thumbs:
No they didn't use a donor car supposedly. They basically built the entire underside (frame rails, floor pans etc) with brand new parts then dropped what was left of the original car on top. Everything else is brand new parts besides the Daytona specific parts.
While they used as much AMD new metal as Ted wanted, there was plenty of parts pulled from a donor vehicle or two in the yard.
So what parts will be on that car when it is done that originally came with the Daytona VIN tag ???
The list should not be too long
Depends if they had the original rivets for the tag.. or had to buy those too ! :angel:
In my eyes a true restoration is done 'ONE PIECE at a TIME'... :pity:
Remove a piece of rust and replace it with a new piece of metal.
When you build a whole floorpan with rails and fit an A and B post to it, thats not a resto?
And on a different note, I like many others worked in the Motor-trade.
We did many rebodies as a daily job!
The police never came down and arrested any-body (ban pun).
Its totally acceptable at a MAIN DEALER aotobody shop...
Whats all the fuss about??? :slap: :slap: :slap:
Original 50 year old tin is more acceptable in a rare Mopar than an AMD re-creation... :eek2: :eek2: :eek2:
We Brits have been rebodying MG's and Austins for many many years!
If we didn't, there would be NO Bristish cars left lol... :brickwall:
Quote from: Highbanked Hauler on January 05, 2017, 10:44:07 AM
With the availability of AMD parts a donor car isn't needed like it used to be..
Let me rephrase that, used parts are great ,my 68 is full of them.. What I meant was using a full Charger body..
I'm in the auto business. A vehicle is legally defined by its paperwork - not the metal. You got the tag and title - you can replace it all.
Heck Ford even licenses new 66-67 Mustang shells - all you need is an original vin and title.
I think the hobbyists are finally catching up to reality. If the car is well restored - its still a well restored Daytona. $150,000 is a fair price.
Quote from: 500Jon on January 05, 2017, 02:36:56 PM
In my eyes a true restoration is done 'ONE PIECE at a TIME'... :pity:
Remove a piece of rust and replace it with a new piece of metal.
When you build a whole floorpan with rails and fit an A and B post to it, thats not a resto?
And on a different note, I like many others worked in the Motor-trade.
We did many rebodies as a daily job!
The police never came down and arrested any-body (ban pun).
Its totally acceptable at a MAIN DEALER aotobody shop...
Whats all the fuss about??? :slap: :slap: :slap:
Original 50 year old tin is more acceptable in a rare Mopar than an AMD re-creation... :eek2: :eek2: :eek2:
We Brits have been rebodying MG's and Austins for many many years!
If we didn't, there would be NO Bristish cars left lol... :brickwall:
Curious, where do you live?
Quote from: rainbow4jd on January 05, 2017, 05:34:37 PM
I'm in the auto business. A vehicle is legally defined by its paperwork - not the metal. You got the tag and title - you can replace it all.
Heck Ford even licenses new 66-67 Mustang shells - all you need is an original vin and title.
I think the hobbyists are finally catching up to reality. If the car is well restored - its still a well restored Daytona. $150,000 is a fair price.
Curious where you live?
Quote from: 500Jon on January 05, 2017, 02:36:56 PM
In my eyes a true restoration is done 'ONE PIECE at a TIME'... :pity:
Remove a piece of rust and replace it with a new piece of metal.
When you build a whole floorpan with rails and fit an A and B post to it, thats not a resto?
And on a different note, I like many others worked in the Motor-trade.
We did many rebodies as a daily job!
The police never came down and arrested any-body (ban pun).
Its totally acceptable at a MAIN DEALER aotobody shop...
Whats all the fuss about??? :slap: :slap:
Original 50 year old tin is more acceptable in a rare Mopar than an AMD re-creation... :eek2: :eek2: :eek2:
We Brits have been rebodying MG's and Austins for many many years!
If we didn't, there would be NO Bristish cars left lol... :brickwall:
If I restore an old painting by replacing 95% of the original canvas is it still a valuable old painting?
Quote from: 69hemidaytona on January 06, 2017, 12:17:29 AM
Quote from: 500Jon on January 05, 2017, 02:36:56 PM
In my eyes a true restoration is done 'ONE PIECE at a TIME'... :pity:
Remove a piece of rust and replace it with a new piece of metal.
When you build a whole floorpan with rails and fit an A and B post to it, thats not a resto?
And on a different note, I like many others worked in the Motor-trade.
We did many rebodies as a daily job!
The police never came down and arrested any-body (ban pun).
Its totally acceptable at a MAIN DEALER aotobody shop...
Whats all the fuss about??? :slap: :slap:
Original 50 year old tin is more acceptable in a rare Mopar than an AMD re-creation... :eek2: :eek2: :eek2:
We Brits have been rebodying MG's and Austins for many many years!
If we didn't, there would be NO Bristish cars left lol... :brickwall:
If I restore an old painting by replacing 95% of the original canvas is it still a valuable old painting?
Sure - to whomever wants to buy it! The onlookers opinions don't count.
Actually, your analogy is a really good one (although I think you were being sarcastic) - because even a 99% restored painting will still reflect the artist's original vision. That's why restoring any LEGAL car (vin and title) is still capturing the essence of the artist's creation. Think about it like this - If you've repainted a car - why doesn't that kill all the value? You covered up all that originality! The reason it doesn't kill the value is because the value is in the artistry (not just the metal and paint).
Quote from: rainbow4jd on January 05, 2017, 05:34:37 PM
I'm in the auto business. A vehicle is legally defined by its paperwork - not the metal. You got the tag and title - you can replace it all.
Heck Ford even licenses new 66-67 Mustang shells - all you need is an original vin and title.
I think the hobbyists are finally catching up to reality. If the car is well restored - its still a well restored Daytona. $150,000 is a fair price.
Well said
Dane
Quote from: rainbow4jd on January 06, 2017, 12:46:22 AM
Quote from: 69hemidaytona on January 06, 2017, 12:17:29 AM
Quote from: 500Jon on January 05, 2017, 02:36:56 PM
In my eyes a true restoration is done 'ONE PIECE at a TIME'... :pity:
Remove a piece of rust and replace it with a new piece of metal.
When you build a whole floorpan with rails and fit an A and B post to it, thats not a resto?
And on a different note, I like many others worked in the Motor-trade.
We did many rebodies as a daily job!
The police never came down and arrested any-body (ban pun).
Its totally acceptable at a MAIN DEALER aotobody shop...
Whats all the fuss about??? :slap: :slap:
Original 50 year old tin is more acceptable in a rare Mopar than an AMD re-creation... :eek2: :eek2: :eek2:
We Brits have been rebodying MG's and Austins for many many years!
If we didn't, there would be NO Bristish cars left lol... :brickwall:
If I restore an old painting by replacing 95% of the original canvas is it still a valuable old painting?
Sure - to whomever wants to buy it! The onlookers opinions don't count.
Actually, your analogy is a really good one (although I think you were being sarcastic) - because even a 99% restored painting will still reflect the artist's original vision. That's why restoring any LEGAL car (vin and title) is still capturing the essence of the artist's creation. Think about it like this - If you've repainted a car - why doesn't that kill all the value? You covered up all that originality! The reason it doesn't kill the value is because the value is in the artistry (not just the metal and paint).
True...but it would still be worth way more if it had the original paint and steel (undamaged and near perfect as possible). I think new paint takes away some of the soul of these cars..especially when it's done so perfect. I think some people have never seen 60s Dodge paint....it was generally very poor (especially compared to paint on UK cars of the time).......they left the factory with runs sags and fish eyes a plenty. Take that away and some of its personality is gone for ever. I need to paint mine to lose the lovely rust finish..lol....but I certainly would not do a full resist t if it was even 80% complete. An no...I won't be leaving paint runs!
Quote from: alfaitalia on January 06, 2017, 03:26:07 AM
Quote from: rainbow4jd on January 06, 2017, 12:46:22 AM
Quote from: 69hemidaytona on January 06, 2017, 12:17:29 AM
Quote from: 500Jon on January 05, 2017, 02:36:56 PM
In my eyes a true restoration is done 'ONE PIECE at a TIME'... :pity:
Remove a piece of rust and replace it with a new piece of metal.
When you build a whole floorpan with rails and fit an A and B post to it, thats not a resto?
And on a different note, I like many others worked in the Motor-trade.
We did many rebodies as a daily job!
The police never came down and arrested any-body (ban pun).
Its totally acceptable at a MAIN DEALER aotobody shop...
Whats all the fuss about??? :slap: :slap:
Original 50 year old tin is more acceptable in a rare Mopar than an AMD re-creation... :eek2: :eek2: :eek2:
We Brits have been rebodying MG's and Austins for many many years!
If we didn't, there would be NO Bristish cars left lol... :brickwall:
If I restore an old painting by replacing 95% of the original canvas is it still a valuable old painting?
Sure - to whomever wants to buy it! The onlookers opinions don't count.
Actually, your analogy is a really good one (although I think you were being sarcastic) - because even a 99% restored painting will still reflect the artist's original vision. That's why restoring any LEGAL car (vin and title) is still capturing the essence of the artist's creation. Think about it like this - If you've repainted a car - why doesn't that kill all the value? You covered up all that originality! The reason it doesn't kill the value is because the value is in the artistry (not just the metal and paint).
True...but it would still be worth way more if it had the original paint and steel (undamaged and near perfect as possible). I think new paint takes away some of the soul of these cars..especially when it's done so perfect. I think some people have never seen 60s Dodge paint....it was generally very poor (especially compared to paint on UK cars of the time).......they left the factory with runs sags and fish eyes a plenty. Take that away and some of its personality is gone for ever. I need to paint mine to lose the lovely rust finish..lol....but I certainly would not do a full resist t if it was even 80% complete. An no...I won't be leaving paint runs!
Sure - an unrestored Mona Lisa would be a true find. (Although you can argue that the Mona Lisa is a rebody, since it was actually painted OVER another painting - ha ha).
But you've hit on something - the multiple levels of opinions that exist in the hobby world.
A) Original or nothing is most valuable. "My car still has the original air in the tires and the light beams in the headlights - mine is most valuable!!!!! I'm hating on everybody else! It doesn't matter if the car looks worn out and tired - because there isn't really any perfect OLD cars out there for me to compete with. Hater gonna hate on you if you disagree!"
B) Restoration but only a little bit. "Well, I painted it - but I painted it really crappy the way it came from the factory. I'm a hater, but not as much as the nut job above."
C) Restoration and I don't care. "Look I'm not driving 70 mph with a Polyglas GT tires! AND I'm not paying $6,000 for NOS decals. AND I'm not putting 50 year old gas in the engine! It's good enough and correct enough and most of all I am happy! My car looks good, I drive it and it gets lots of attention! Don't rain on my parade hater because your opinion doesn't matter to me!"
D) Restoration for the profits! "I'm restoring the car to be a true trailer queen because the collectors want it that way - while the hobbyists usually want "drivers" and can't afford to buy at the collector level. Love my car - used to be a hobbyist, but now it's about the money decision. A better than original restoration is the way to go - cause that's where the cash is"
Personally, I was a C and now that I am getting ready to retire I've become a D - it doesn't bother me AT ALL that some "collector" will end up with my car, it will never be driven, and it will likely be hidden away. I'll be sad all the way to the bank and then I'll buy a resto-mod clone and drive it every day.
By the way... If you want to talk "original intent" - these cars were intended to be driven into the ground and rot away in a junk yard so people would buy new cars. (Can I get a witness? Amen!) But an old car nut has essentially voided the original intent clause by hanging onto or worse yet restoring these cars. So, if you're going to violate the original intent - you might as well have a beauty queen instead of a barn find.
Just my opinion of course.
Quote from: Daytona Guy on January 06, 2017, 02:10:44 AM
Quote from: rainbow4jd on January 05, 2017, 05:34:37 PM
I'm in the auto business. A vehicle is legally defined by its paperwork - not the metal. You got the tag and title - you can replace it all.
Heck Ford even licenses new 66-67 Mustang shells - all you need is an original vin and title.
I think the hobbyists are finally catching up to reality. If the car is well restored - its still a well restored Daytona. $150,000 is a fair price.
Well said
Dane
Thanks - by the way - I absolutely LOVE your Daytona. Just gorgeous. I may clone it someday.
Well rainbow4jd...I would consider myself a C mainly on your scale. Resto mod to make it a high days and holidays driver.
D in the UK would be very difficult and probably double the price to get there that it would be in the USA.
As a real petrol head nothing makes me sadder than the trailer queens....no longer a car...just a work or art to look at or driven 50 miles a year. I bet the designers of the car would be disappointed too, to not see their cars driven as they were designed to be. It's a car first.....display piece last imo.
Bottom line: Wing cars were built for racing. :coolgleamA:
Quote from: odcics2 on January 08, 2017, 12:11:39 PM
Bottom line: Wing cars were built for racing. :coolgleamA:
They were a tool to do a job,nothing more.
Quote from: alfaitalia on January 07, 2017, 03:13:09 AM
Well rainbow4jd...I would consider myself a C mainly on your scale. Resto mod to make it a high days and holidays driver.
D in the UK would be very difficult and probably double the price to get there that it would be in the USA.
As a real petrol head nothing makes me sadder than the trailer queens....no longer a car...just a work or art to look at or driven 50 miles a year. I bet the designers of the car would be disappointed too, to not see their cars driven as they were designed to be. It's a car first.....display piece last imo.
I can appreciate the money dilemma.
My car was restored to a C level initially. I drove it (but not as much as I would like) but ultimately it just became too valuable for me to drive (meaning I don't have the personal skill nor money to fix it if someone wrecked it). So, with age and savings and selling my daily driver 440-6 Cuda - I reached a point where I could do a 15 year restoration. Meaning a little bit at a time - but at a D level quality. My goal is to cash out and buy a daily driver or build a clone daily driver.
Being someone what sarcastic - yes, these cars were MEANT to be driven, just as a 10Karat diamond ring was meant to be worn. But... in today's world, if you walk out of your house where a 10K diamond ring - you are an idiot. Once the cars acquired "collector status" their original intent is long gone. At that point - for me - you have to look at them through the eyes of an investor and not a "Car Guy". My Superbird is now an investment (and I don't apologize for that - nor do any negative comments about that strategy bother me at all). But - as soon as it sells - I am going to get me a daily driver (actually I want my 6 pack Cuda back) but I might also go for something more modern.
Peace out and as long as YOU are enjoying your car - no one else's actions or opinions are worth a rat's patootie! I'm enjoying mine!
Quote from: rainbow4jd on January 09, 2017, 03:25:45 PM
Being someone what sarcastic - yes, these cars were MEANT to be driven, just as a 10Karat diamond ring was meant to be worn. But... in today's world, if you walk out of your house where a 10K diamond ring - you are an idiot.
Then why have the ring??? I don't understand your reasoning at all. I don't worry about my cars. Cars are for driving. That's what having great insurance is for.
Quote from: RCCDrew on January 09, 2017, 06:10:28 PM
Quote from: rainbow4jd on January 09, 2017, 03:25:45 PM
Being someone what sarcastic - yes, these cars were MEANT to be driven, just as a 10Karat diamond ring was meant to be worn. But... in today's world, if you walk out of your house where a 10K diamond ring - you are an idiot.
Then why have the ring??? I don't understand your reasoning at all. I don't worry about my cars. Cars are for driving. That's what having great insurance is for.
I originally bought my Superbird to drive. At $2500 it wasn't a big deal. But, it's become an investment - so I treat it like an investment. The reason I have it (and the reason for owning the ring) - is for investment purposes. So, only if the investment was not at risk do you bring it out.
I saw a guy rear end another car as he was rubber necking at my car (as I pulled away from a stop light). I drive a 1000 miles a week. I see people looking at the accident on the other side of the road, and almost cause an accident themselves. I see teenagers texting and driving. If my car was still worth $2500, I would be happy to drive it in that environment. As an investment, it's worth somewhere between $100 and $200,000. You treat investments different than you do hobbies - or at least I do.
Here's maybe a better example... I own a couple of pretty valuable baseball cards also - I don't put them in bicycle spokes. Even if that's what was intended for them. ;D
Incidentally, after I cash out on my Superbird, I'll be looking for a daily driver then. Who knows - if you've got something you're not driving like it should be driven - I might be your guy.
:2thumbs: i may get to see the car this weekend :2thumbs: Rumor has it it going to be on a display. :popcrn: if so i will get some pick,s
:popcrn:
:yesnod:
:'( Oh Tan Top i need some help my phone pick,s are to big can i send them to you ::) Pm Me Please
Quote from: rob-dirt on January 23, 2017, 01:03:06 PM
:'( Oh Tan Top i need some help my phone pick,s are to big can i send them to you ::) Pm Me Please
you called ;D , sent you a pm :yesnod:
:2thumbs: :popcrn:
i'm part of the unpopular minority, but the car sitting there is not the car pictured on the display board.
Quote from: held1823 on January 23, 2017, 09:44:11 PM
i'm part of the unpopular minority, but the car sitting there is not the car pictured on the display board.
5% of it is. And maybe the VIN #'s. I'd like to see in person the gaps on this & what they had to do to make the gaps look good if anything? LEON.
Quote from: held1823 on January 23, 2017, 09:44:11 PM
i'm part of the unpopular minority, but the car sitting there is not the car pictured on the display board.
I am in agreement with this opinion.
The "restored" car certainly holds the identity of the original. That is about where it stops.
Quote from: Aero426 on January 23, 2017, 10:37:29 PM
Quote from: held1823 on January 23, 2017, 09:44:11 PM
i'm part of the unpopular minority, but the car sitting there is not the car pictured on the display board.
I am in agreement with this opinion.
The "restored" car certainly holds the identity of the original. That is about where it stops.
:iagree:
Was this a factory red car, or black? I'm glad they brought another one back.
My Cuda has new quarters, floors, trunk, drivetrain, interior, etc. I guess mine is not the same car either.
Quote from: held1823 on January 23, 2017, 09:44:11 PM
i'm part of the unpopular minority, but the car sitting there is not the car pictured on the display board.
I agree 100%.....might as well have built a brand new car from scratch!! Just like my broom I've had for twenty years....only ever had two new heads and three new handles....same broom though!!
Quote from: alfaitalia on January 24, 2017, 08:22:54 AM
Quote from: held1823 on January 23, 2017, 09:44:11 PM
i'm part of the unpopular minority, but the car sitting there is not the car pictured on the display board.
I agree 100%.....might as well have built a brand new car from scratch!! Just like my broom I've had for twenty years....only ever had two new heads and three new handles....same broom though!!
That is basically what they did....
Grandfather's axe, replaced the head and the handle...still grandfathers axe. :icon_smile_big:
Like RCCDrew said- I too am glad they brought it back. It's amazing what people are able to resurrect these days. It's all about the VIN.
I'd still take her home
Quote from: qwick68 on January 24, 2017, 12:17:52 PM
I'd still take her home
Right!!!!
Why all the hate for this car?
Quote from: Ryan.C on January 24, 2017, 12:26:25 PM
Quote from: qwick68 on January 24, 2017, 12:17:52 PM
I'd still take her home
Right!!!!
Why all the hate for this car?
I don't think it's hate as much as it's the idea that it's not pure. You know like our Charger are. :icon_smile_big:
So the "what's it really worth" comes up. It's worth whatever someone will give for it...which I still think will be significant.
Hopefully they're going to paint it red. On the plus side you won't have to worry about rust for a while now. :P
I can't help thinking that many of you are missing the point of this build/ re-build/ creation. AMD are merely using it as a demonstation of their products, and what can be achieved with them.
Quote from: TiMopar on January 25, 2017, 12:30:50 PM
I can't help thinking that many of you are missing the point of this build/ re-build/ creation. AMD are merely using it as a demonstation of their products, and what can be achieved with them.
Why did they not just use a Charger instead to show off their stuff ?
Are any of the Daytona only parts on this car from AMD ?
IF the original idea was to show what AMD can do for us, then they should show the before and after unibody in the same stripped condition. :Twocents: WINGNUT426
Quote from: TiMopar on January 25, 2017, 12:30:50 PM
I can't help thinking that many of you are missing the point of this build/ re-build/ creation. AMD are merely using it as a demonstation of their products, and what can be achieved with them.
Agree completely on the mission. However, when the promotion of the car is done, do you think like most theatre props, it will just go back out into the salvage yard?
I understand that the car has its place. In its feral state, you could not throw it away. It's still a real Daytona - more or less. Is it as "good" of a Daytona as say one that has an unblemished history? Certainly not. It would seem to be a pile of parts surrounding an undisclosed amount of original car with a VIN tag. More or less.
Quote from: 70 sublime on January 25, 2017, 12:40:32 PM
Why did they not just use a Charger instead to show off their stuff ?
Because Chop Cut Rebuild already restored a '69 Charger R/T with AMD parts. The Daytona makes a much bigger splash because of its pre-restoration condition.
Quote from: rainbow4jd on January 05, 2017, 05:34:37 PM
I'm in the auto business. A vehicle is legally defined by its paperwork - not the metal. You got the tag and title - you can replace it all.
Heck Ford even licenses new 66-67 Mustang shells - all you need is an original vin and title.
not In Michigan Dynacorn bodies are assigned a VIN when they come into this state
the law varies from state to state
Quote from: Aero426 on January 25, 2017, 02:10:19 PM
Quote from: 70 sublime on January 25, 2017, 12:40:32 PM
Why did they not just use a Charger instead to show off their stuff ?
Because Chop Cut Rebuild already restored a '69 Charger R/T with AMD parts. The Daytona makes a much bigger splash because of its pre-restoration condition.
Exactly; publicity. And judging by this thread, they achieved this. It's not as if there has been some effort on AMD's part to conceal anything. I remember a time when there was absolutely NOTHING available for these cars, save for some silly priced NOS stuff. We should all be grateful these panels are available.
I wonder if they are going to make the '70 hood available now?
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Exactly; publicity. And judging by this thread, they achieved this.
this thread is not a good barometer to gauge interest in the current project. There are more than a few threads here about this particular car in its junked state.
I don't discount what you meant by publicity, and agree it's nice to have the parts available. those two things are not mutually exclusive to one another. amd's targeted market existed without the reality tv show. the only (new) publicity gained is for the show, 99.99% worth of whose viewers will never spend a dime on amd sheet metal.
(http://i573.photobucket.com/albums/ss173/moparchris360/FCDB4238-8680-487F-A6A4-5A912BDE6B1C_zpsh9ocghsl.jpg) (http://s573.photobucket.com/user/moparchris360/media/FCDB4238-8680-487F-A6A4-5A912BDE6B1C_zpsh9ocghsl.jpg.html)
No big deal, its just another car and the hobby if you can call it that is changing or I should say the people in it are changing. The last BJ I saw the modifides were bringing the same or more money than the stockers in many cases.
:popcrn: hour & five minutes video :yesnod:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dCu5xVBvv5E
Quote from: tan top on March 14, 2017, 05:31:30 PM
:popcrn: hour & five minutes video :yesnod:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dCu5xVBvv5E
Wow with this one at least they were alot more open and honest about what they left and what they replaced .
With the previous CCR XP hemi charger the Magic of reality TV edited out alot of what they replaced , and even after being asked several times we never got to see the suppost to have been there Hemi torq Boxes on that rebody .
Then there are the Grave Stone Carz rebodies that get shipped off and magically return with all new AMD sheet metal . I assume someone told them
to show more and more to slowly make us think this BS is more and more acceptable .
Quote from: moparstuart on March 14, 2017, 09:04:49 PM
Quote from: tan top on March 14, 2017, 05:31:30 PM
:popcrn: hour & five minutes video :yesnod:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dCu5xVBvv5E
Wow with this one at least they were alot more open and honest about what they left and what they replaced .
With the previous CCR XP hemi charger the Magic of reality TV edited out alot of what they replaced , and even after being asked several times we never got to see the suppost to have been there Hemi torq Boxes on that rebody .
Then there are the Grave Stone Carz rebodies that get shipped off and magically return with all new AMD sheet metal . I assume someone told them
to show more and more to slowly make us think this BS is more and more acceptable .
Grave Stone Carz rebodies :smilielol:
Recently I viewed an online video of Ted Stephens salvage yard.
In the comments that follow it was mentioned that the reason there are so many restorable hulks in the yard.
It says that when the cars entered the yard the titles were surrendered and the cars were to never leave the yard and only be parted out.
So it makes me wonder if this is true what will happen to the Daytona?
MJ
Quote from: Mopar John on March 19, 2017, 10:32:33 AM
Recently I viewed an online video of Ted Stephens salvage yard.
In the comments that follow it was mentioned that the reason there are so many restorable hulks in the yard.
It says that when the cars entered the yard the titles were surrendered and the cars were to never leave the yard and only be parted out.
So it makes me wonder if this is true what will happen to the Daytona?
MJ
Alabama is one of the easiest states to get a replace title , they have very loose DMV laws
The Daytona did not have the title turned into the state as junk.
This is a real Daytona and at least someone has taken an interest in bringing it back to life again rather than have it sit in a boneyard rotting away. I think this restoration no matter what the motive is personal or business should be celebrated for the commendable effort that it is.
Hey, another Daytona is being brought back to life! Pretty cool ain't it? :2thumbs:
Quote from: 70 sublime on January 25, 2017, 12:40:32 PM
Are any of the Daytona only parts on this car from AMD ?
The Daytona parts are a combination of reproduction parts fabricated by me, Dayclona and some original parts, just the back glass and trim is offered by AMD, the glass is on hold currently because of fitment issues, the trim has fitment issues with the 2 upper pcs
Mike
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Hey, another Daytona is being brought back to life! Pretty cool ain't it? :2thumbs:
not cool at all. not every car was intended to, nor needs to, survive.
Quote from: held1823 on April 02, 2017, 03:17:34 PM
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Hey, another Daytona is being brought back to life! Pretty cool ain't it? :2thumbs:
not cool at all. not every car was intended to, nor needs to, survive.
Agreed....it's not been bought back to life ....it's a different car! My grandad died....but it's fine as we managed to resuscitate my uncle...so that's ok then.
Quote from: alfaitalia on April 02, 2017, 04:52:33 PM
Quote from: held1823 on April 02, 2017, 03:17:34 PM
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Hey, another Daytona is being brought back to life! Pretty cool ain't it? :2thumbs:
not cool at all. not every car was intended to, nor needs to, survive.
Agreed....it's not been bought back to life ....it's a different car! My grandad died....but it's fine as we managed to resuscitate my uncle...so that's ok then.
Agreed X3 NO not pretty cool. :rotz:
If a car had a soul, bringing it back to life wouldn't be "right" but it doesn't .. It is assembled component parts and there doesn't seem to be fraud involved because its history will travel with it. If you were trying to say it is on the same level as Tim Wellborn's (sp) 6 thousand mile burnt orange Hemi Daytona (IT AIN'T ) and its not worth the same money either. On E-bay I have seen RK MOTORS ask $200K for a couple of their modified finished Chargers so with this Daytonas history its worth what someone will pay. If you are looking for an investment car , THIS ISN'T IT. :popcrn: :Twocents:
I care less either way... but any scrap yard that I have ever dealt with, the minute the car is picked up or delivered to the yard the titles are VOID.. vehicles are bought as scrap weight / value and are to never go back on the road again once they enter the "pearly gates"! I tried to get at '69 Cuda out of our local yard around 1978 to an absolute "no way" by the yard owner back then.
Quote from: birdsandbees on April 02, 2017, 05:56:45 PM
I care less either way... but any scrap yard that I have ever dealt with, the minute the car is picked up or delivered to the yard the titles are VOID.. vehicles are bought as scrap weight / value and are to never go back on the road again once they enter the "pearly gates"! I tried to get at '69 Cuda out of our local yard around 1978 to an absolute "no way" by the yard owner back then.
I was ASSuming the tags were still on it. I am almost sure back in the 70S in Massachusetts cars didn't get the tags cut off till it was crushed. But that was then.
Tags mean nothing without a title or ownership. I still have our '69 Fury II's ownership from when it went to the yard in the sky back in 1980 or so. The day after that.. parts car only.
Quote from: birdsandbees on April 02, 2017, 05:56:45 PM
I care less either way... but any scrap yard that I have ever dealt with, the minute the car is picked up or delivered to the yard the titles are VOID.. vehicles are bought as scrap weight / value and are to never go back on the road again once they enter the "pearly gates"! I tried to get at '69 Cuda out of our local yard around 1978 to an absolute "no way" by the yard owner back then.
I think it's really up to the yard, but yes once the titles are turned in to the state the cars are scrap. I've saved almost a dozen cars from junkyards, the last one was a 67 Dodge Monaco 500 two door that was a one owner car. What was really cool about it was inside the glove box the owner had a maintenance book that had every maintenance he ever did starting from the first oil change to the last service which was some Time in the mid 90s. The car was missing absolutely nothing, even the spare tire, Jack and tools and even the owners manual was in the car
Quote from: birdsandbees on April 02, 2017, 05:56:45 PM
I care less either way... but any scrap yard that I have ever dealt with, the minute the car is picked up or delivered to the yard the titles are VOID.. vehicles are bought as scrap weight / value and are to never go back on the road again once they enter the "pearly gates"! I tried to get at '69 Cuda out of our local yard around 1978 to an absolute "no way" by the yard owner back then.
Luckily its not like that hear. The "title" is not returned to the government (DVLA here) until its actually crushed. All the time there is a complete shell with all the numbers (bare in mind that most cars don't have removable tags here) then its fair game and can be bought and put back on the road subject to the usual inspections. The only ones that cant are ones that insurance companies have written off to category A or B and they are usually too badly damaged to even consider rebuilding. Group C and D cars are fine.
The Daytona never had the title turned into the state. It was to rare. They just had it as art for the longest time in front of their yard, but moved it into the yard to protect it from thieves.
I realize a car is worth how much someone is willing to pay for it, but how much do you think this car is worth once it is completed? Is it worth more than a normal, freshly restored Daytona considering its history? Or is it worth less than a recently restored Daytona considering its history and all new sheet metal??
The restoration scene is changing day by day!
Gone are the days when you could find rare Mopes on the side of the road with a burnt out transmission etc...
They are all rusted wrecks or worse!
50 years of 'USE and ABUSE' can ruin almost any piece of Mopars finest automobiles.
It was always OK to remove a piece of rusty metal and replace it with new.
Slow and tedious but 'in the true spirit' of resto!
Now its Sawall the Goddam thing into a pile of unrecognisability and get a NEW shell... :scratchchin:
NOT resto, but RECREATION... :eek2:
Yeh its a Daytona, its says it on the side? :dance: got to be betta than a pro-touring 69 Charger hemi R/T, I think???
That creation is proof positive that you can now "restore" a high dollar car consisting of nothing but a rocker panel and a VIN tag. ::)
Everybody and their mothers know all about this car so it's all going to be what someone is willing to pay for. Personally I think they did a nice job and I like the car. :2thumbs:
Lets say we have 3 cars that all look identical Same colours , same period correct non original motors , same interiors , same everything
One Daytona , new paint job , maybe a couple small patches over the years
This Daytona , total rebuild
My Daytona clone , built with all metal Daytona reproduction parts (nothing fiberglass) on an original 69 Charger with original 1/4s and a couple small patches ( same as first Daytona)
On any given day anyplace in the world and you had $1,000,000 in your pocket so you could buy any or all 3 cars so price did not matter
If you payed $ XX amount for the first Daytona so say this is 100% price
How much % would you say the other 2 cars were worth compared to the first car ?
Quote from: Mytur Binsdirti on April 04, 2017, 07:14:25 AM
That creation is proof positive that you can now "restore" a high dollar car consisting of nothing but a rocker panel and a VIN tag. ::)
Scary thought indeed....It is cool to see this car back to an original state but it should have to receive a state issued VIN and salvage title....
Quote from: moparnation74 on April 04, 2017, 08:47:55 AM
Quote from: Mytur Binsdirti on April 04, 2017, 07:14:25 AM
That creation is proof positive that you can now "restore" a high dollar car consisting of nothing but a rocker panel and a VIN tag. ::)
Scary thought indeed....It is cool to see this car back to an original state but it should have to receive a state issued VIN and salvage title....
Agreed.
If the title was never reported to the state as being in a junk yard then no one nos about it. Back in the day they didn't hand titles over to the state. Hell most of the time they didn't have the title for them. Cars now days are looked at differently.
Quote from: 70 sublime on April 04, 2017, 07:56:32 AM
Lets say we have 3 cars that all look identical Same colours , same period correct non original motors , same interiors , same everything
One Daytona , new paint job , maybe a couple small patches over the years
This Daytona , total rebuild
My Daytona clone , built with all metal Daytona reproduction parts (nothing fiberglass) on an original 69 Charger with original 1/4s and a couple small patches ( same as first Daytona)
On any given day anyplace in the world and you had $1,000,000 in your pocket so you could buy any or all 3 cars so price did not matter
If you payed $ XX amount for the first Daytona so say this is 100% price
How much % would you say the other 2 cars were worth compared to the first car ?
Rebuilt car 70% of real car cost(just cause it has the XX VIN)
clone 50%
Just my take on it.
Quote from: farm966 on April 03, 2017, 12:54:03 PM
I realize a car is worth how much someone is willing to pay for it, but how much do you think this car is worth once it is completed? Is it worth more than a normal, freshly restored Daytona considering its history? Or is it worth less than a recently restored Daytona considering its history and all new sheet metal??
Hard to say some like to be special and maybe pay a premium because of its past. Any real car guy in the market for a daytona would pass on this one if its in the same ballpark $$$ wise to a real car. Then again unless you have photo evidence of the other car who knows what it once was.
They said back in the day, that a car built from 'dealer parts' would cost THREE times that of a dealer room model!
That is obviously a guesswork total as it doesn't take into account for painting, welding etc...
So in theory, (bitd) it is possible to build a car from supplied parts in any configuration you desire.
Most would build a top of the range hemi Daytona etc., but registration may have caused a problem?
So to me, if a factory built hemi Daytona is nearly a Million, then this car, (CREATION, with a hemi) is THREE MILLION... :nana:
Why buy a rusty 50 year old Mopar, when you can have a NEW Mopar...from AMD! :scratchchin:
Im all for saving a real car and Im glad parts are available to do it as far as value whatever somebodys willing to pay I guess but for market value Ide say no more than half the value of a mostly unmolested daytona ..... its real but what percentage ? regardless of labour and parts used to recreate this original car .If it does end up for sale no doubt people will know exactly what there buying and itll be nice to see another wing cat at shows / street or wherever it ends up
I'll bet that quite a few of the cars sold at auctions have almost if not as much new sheetmetal as the Stephens car.... but it would all have been done away from the public eye...
Ben
Quote from: moparnation74 on April 04, 2017, 08:47:55 AM
Quote from: Mytur Binsdirti on April 04, 2017, 07:14:25 AM
That creation is proof positive that you can now "restore" a high dollar car consisting of nothing but a rocker panel and a VIN tag. ::)
Scary thought indeed....It is cool to see this car back to an original state but it should have to receive a state issued VIN and salvage title....
I don't know that it would have to have a "state issued VIN."
I haven't checked in all 50 states, but in Georgia, the first one I researched, you can get a "rebuilt" title if you follow their rules. It states that it must be restored/rebuilt by a licensed rebuilder, and pass inspection by a Georgia approved inspector or station, before the vehicle is painted. You will also need to provide a photo of the vehicle before repairs, receipts for new parts purchased, and for used parts the VIN of the vehicle the part was removed from.
As another reference, Hemmings had a story about a twice rebodied Duesenberg Model J:
https://www.hemmings.com/blog/index.php/2015/04/14/twice-rebodied-1932-duesenberg-model-j-sells-for-500000-in-houston/ (https://www.hemmings.com/blog/index.php/2015/04/14/twice-rebodied-1932-duesenberg-model-j-sells-for-500000-in-houston/)
and it essentially said the Duesenberg sold for less than a pristine one, but nobody had been calling for it to be crushed. For many decades it sat as just a frame and engine.
I think charger_fan_4ever was close with the estimate of 70% of a pristine Daytona.
I'm wondering if there was any final list of the original parts that were used/restored and now on the car. What is the estimate of the final cost of restoring it?
I'm wondering if there was any final list of the original parts that were used/restored and now on the car. What is the estimate of the final cost of restoring it?
That would be an interesting number to find out parts plus labour
Does anyone know for a fact that this car will be painted/ running/ finished, or are we just assuming that it will be? Or will it remain as an unpainted rolling advert for their products?
Quote from: TiMopar on April 07, 2017, 06:23:34 AM
Does anyone know for a fact that this car will be painted/ running/ finished, or are we just assuming that it will be? Or will it remain as an unpainted rolling advert for their products?
Once it is done doing this Tour it is on, it will be finished.
Quote from: Mytur Binsdirti on April 04, 2017, 07:14:25 AM
That creation is proof positive that you can now "restore" a high dollar car consisting of nothing but a rocker panel and a VIN tag. ::)
The Warbird crowd has been doing that forever. I once saw a P-51 build from an ID tag and a pile of twisted metal.
Quote from: markmopar on April 13, 2017, 11:01:37 PM
Quote from: Mytur Binsdirti on April 04, 2017, 07:14:25 AM
That creation is proof positive that you can now "restore" a high dollar car consisting of nothing but a rocker panel and a VIN tag. ::)
The Warbird crowd has been doing that forever. I once saw a P-51 build from an ID tag and a pile of twisted metal.
And everyone will :2thumbs: a warbird resto done this way, yet it's different for an "automobile"?....I'll never understand it, they're both "machines", meant to be rebuilt, refurbished regardless of the means
Its got to be a better car, with all NEW steel and hand built, like a Rolls Royce!
Not a production line, throw-together Charger with a few add-ons by Creative lol...
An exact copy of a once beautiful Daytona, re-created with skill and love by modern methods!
Got to be worth as much as an original one, built under microscopic scrutiny by one and all.
If I had $100,000 I would by it... :2thumbs:
WW :cheers:
Quote from: Wingwalker on April 14, 2017, 01:54:10 PM
Its got to be a better car, with all NEW steel and hand built, like a Rolls Royce!
Not a production line, throw-together Charger with a few add-ons by Creative lol...
An exact copy of a once beautiful Daytona, re-created with skill and love by modern methods!
Got to be worth as much as an original one, built under microscopic scrutiny by one and all.
If I had $100,000 I would by it... :2thumbs:
WW :cheers:
What.....? No offence but you are completely missing the point...that point being the difference between an original, classic car and a glorified kit car/replica with absolutely no history or provenance. My father would call you a philistine....or someone who knows the cost of everything but the value of nothing. I, of course would never be that rude! That might be worth a hundred large (not to me) but the original, before it was virtually destroyed and better still with its original unrestored patina...would be worth so much more.
..and by the way, I live just down the road from the Rolls Royce factory.....they are about as "hand built" as any other car these days....ie...not very!..which is why they are so much better now.
Quote from: alfaitalia on April 14, 2017, 05:21:22 PM
..and by the way, I live just down the road from the Rolls Royce factory.....they are about as "hand built" as any other car these days....ie...not very!..which is why they are so much better now.
Rolls Royce is Hand Wrecked!!!!
Bentley Mulsanne id the last real RR/Bentley
As for Ted and the Daytona, it is just a show piece so you can see what is possible..
Quote from: markmopar on April 13, 2017, 11:01:37 PM
Quote from: Mytur Binsdirti on April 04, 2017, 07:14:25 AM
That creation is proof positive that you can now "restore" a high dollar car consisting of nothing but a rocker panel and a VIN tag. ::)
The Warbird crowd has been doing that forever. I once saw a P-51 build from an ID tag and a pile of twisted metal.
no one questions why the new plane required the id tag from the non-existent one?
Quote from: alfaitalia on April 14, 2017, 05:21:22 PM
What.....? No offence but you are completely missing the point...that point being the difference between an original, classic car and a glorified kit car/replica with absolutely no history or provenance.
For some, like myself, there is no "point" to speak of... "original" or "recreation" they are both the same in essence, that being a "machine", nothing more, nothing less, they are not some living being, deity, idol, temple, etc,...somehow these machines have been put on a pedestal, to be worshiped, cherished, fawned over like some religious icon
Yes they're cool cars, they invoke a thrill to drive them, own them, nothing more, but the last few decades have somehow put musclecar ownership, restoration, so-called originality, value, collectablity , etc, etc... akin with the properties of caring for some dam holy grail....geez get a life people
Quote from: held1823 on April 14, 2017, 10:38:06 PM
Quote from: markmopar on April 13, 2017, 11:01:37 PM
Quote from: Mytur Binsdirti on April 04, 2017, 07:14:25 AM
That creation is proof positive that you can now "restore" a high dollar car consisting of nothing but a rocker panel and a VIN tag. ::)
The Warbird crowd has been doing that forever. I once saw a P-51 build from an ID tag and a pile of twisted metal.
no one questions why the new plane required the id tag from the non-existent one?
Nope. Accepted practice to use a few original parts and build a plane around them.
Here's an ME-109 pulled from a lake and is under "restoration":
http://luftfartsmuseum.no/fly/messerschmitt-bf109-g-2-yellow-3/
This plane is WAY better than the Mustang was. Another ME-109 I know of is actually the remains of at least three wrecks made into one.
Quote from: markmopar on April 15, 2017, 12:39:22 AM
Quote from: held1823 on April 14, 2017, 10:38:06 PM
Quote from: markmopar on April 13, 2017, 11:01:37 PM
Quote from: Mytur Binsdirti on April 04, 2017, 07:14:25 AM
That creation is proof positive that you can now "restore" a high dollar car consisting of nothing but a rocker panel and a VIN tag. ::)
The Warbird crowd has been doing that forever. I once saw a P-51 build from an ID tag and a pile of twisted metal.
no one questions why the new plane required the id tag from the non-existent one?
Nope. Accepted practice to use a few original parts and build a plane around them.
Here's an ME-109 pulled from a lake and is under "restoration":
http://luftfartsmuseum.no/fly/messerschmitt-bf109-g-2-yellow-3/
This plane is WAY better than the Mustang was. Another ME-109 I know of is actually the remains of at least three wrecks made into one.
so what becomes of the other two id tags? better yet, why would the recreated plane need an id tag to begin with?
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Yes they're cool cars, they invoke a thrill to drive them, own them, nothing more, but the last few decades have somehow put musclecar ownership, restoration, so-called originality, value, collectablity , etc, etc... akin with the properties of caring for some dam holy grail....geez get a life people
value was relative from day one - a superbird cost more than a belvedere
why do so few restore the base models back to original condition -wouldn't any forty five year old car be a collectible?
machines or not, the muscle car versions were as special then as they are today. not every aspiring twenty year old could afford a new charger r/t, but many could spring for a cheaper trim level. the exact same holds true today - the "premium" models are simply out of reach for the majority of people. adding a nose and a wing to a charger or road runner makes for a nice ride, but it doesn't transform the car into something it never was.
i would personally walk by a perfectly cloned bird to drool over a sport satellite. but either of these two would be far more appealing than this recreated machine wearing a vin tag salvaged from a pile of scrap metal. differences of opinion aside, each scenario plays a part in creating a market for master craftsmen like mike to hone their skills and find enough financial incentive to make parts that would otherwise not exist. pricey as the items are, they would be more so without the market expanding beyond the cars they actually belong on.
This Philistine was being SARCASTIC!
When you have restored as many Mopars as me then you can make comments about my Values!!!
WW
Quote from: Wingwalker on April 15, 2017, 11:33:54 AM
This Philistine was being SARCASTIC!
When you have restored as many Mopars as me then you can make comments about my Values!!!
WW
Fair enough.....did not spot the sarcasm......sorry!
Thanx for apology the Alfa.
My comments are mostly paradoxical and meant as a joke.
I have seen many 'Baskets-cases' return from the dead!
Done a few myself for Car owners who have 'paid too much' for a rare Historic junk-pile!
They are re-creations with a fendertag, chassis-plate whatever, thats RESTO... :scratchchin:
Ted Stephens is a fine chap and a credit to the Mopar restoration business.
He can do what ever he likes with his cars, he has the right to do so in my eyes!
Few Folks have got the credentials he has, plus others like him in the Mopar-World.
Mother Mopar gave up a long time ago with its heritage and fine Folks have done their best to Fly the Flag for us all.
Twenty five years ago I struggled to find a lower ball-joint for my Charger R/T, now I can get nearly every part NEW!!!
Thanks to Folks like TED and many others who have spent their time and money for us FEW Mopar lovers.
Nuff said.
WW
Quote from: held1823 on April 14, 2017, 10:38:06 PM
Quote from: markmopar on April 13, 2017, 11:01:37 PM
Quote from: Mytur Binsdirti on April 04, 2017, 07:14:25 AM
That creation is proof positive that you can now "restore" a high dollar car consisting of nothing but a rocker panel and a VIN tag. ::)
The Warbird crowd has been doing that forever. I once saw a P-51 build from an ID tag and a pile of twisted metal.
no one questions why the new plane required the id tag from the non-existent one?
Unlike cars, airplanes can fall out of the sky. Extensive reconstruction is an accepted part of the deal. I would say the warbird community is more liberal than we are with cars. There are so few flyable WW2 aircraft in existence. So the history of the aircraft is pretty easy to vet. All are valuable. But people know which planes are built from air and valued accordingly. Many of the planes existing today were built near the end or after the war (didn't see combat). If you have a plane that actually got shot at, that is extra special.
Quote from: Wingwalker on April 14, 2017, 01:54:10 PM
Its got to be a better car, with all NEW steel and hand built, like a Rolls Royce!
Not a production line, throw-together Charger with a few add-ons by Creative lol...
An exact copy of a once beautiful Daytona, re-created with skill and love by modern methods!
Got to be worth as much as an original one, built under microscopic scrutiny by one and all.
If I had $100,000 I would by it... :2thumbs:
WW :cheers:
I've restored lots of cars & lots of old Mopars. Some people come to you with a nice clean unrusted car. Others come to you with a rust bucket basket case. I can tell you from my experiance I much rather have the clean unrusted car when restored & done then the Frankenstein stitched together POS Rust bucket with new aftermarket fit like SH*T sheet metal but has a nice shiny new paint job. Put the 2 side by side & they may look the same but one is really nice under that paint job & the other one is aftermarket mess hiding under the paint job. Just my opinions, I'm sure others will disagree. LEON. :Twocents: :shruggy: :scratchchin:
Quote from: held1823 on April 15, 2017, 11:23:23 AM
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Yes they're cool cars, they invoke a thrill to drive them, own them, nothing more, but the last few decades have somehow put musclecar ownership, restoration, so-called originality, value, collectablity , etc, etc... akin with the properties of caring for some dam holy grail....geez get a life people
value was relative from day one - a superbird cost more than a belvedere
why do so few restore the base models back to original condition -wouldn't any forty five year old car be a collectible?
machines or not, the muscle car versions were as special then as they are today. not every aspiring twenty year old could afford a new charger r/t, but many could spring for a cheaper trim level. the exact same holds true today - the "premium" models are simply out of reach for the majority of people. adding a nose and a wing to a charger or road runner makes for a nice ride, but it doesn't transform the car into something it never was.
i would personally walk by a perfectly cloned bird to drool over a sport satellite. but either of these two would be far more appealing than this recreated machine wearing a vin tag salvaged from a pile of scrap metal. differences of opinion aside, each scenario plays a part in creating a market for master craftsmen like mike to hone their skills and find enough financial incentive to make parts that would otherwise not exist. pricey as the items are, they would be more so without the market expanding beyond the cars they actually belong on.
Some folks prefer their cars to be closer in integrity to the original factory that built them. What would a hemi 4 speed Daytona be worth in 100% perfect condition with 3 miles on it? :shruggy:
Quote from: odcics2 on April 17, 2017, 09:54:26 PM
Quote from: held1823 on April 15, 2017, 11:23:23 AM
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Yes they're cool cars, they invoke a thrill to drive them, own them, nothing more, but the last few decades have somehow put musclecar ownership, restoration, so-called originality, value, collectablity , etc, etc... akin with the properties of caring for some dam holy grail....geez get a life people
value was relative from day one - a superbird cost more than a belvedere
why do so few restore the base models back to original condition -wouldn't any forty five year old car be a collectible?
machines or not, the muscle car versions were as special then as they are today. not every aspiring twenty year old could afford a new charger r/t, but many could spring for a cheaper trim level. the exact same holds true today - the "premium" models are simply out of reach for the majority of people. adding a nose and a wing to a charger or road runner makes for a nice ride, but it doesn't transform the car into something it never was.
i would personally walk by a perfectly cloned bird to drool over a sport satellite. but either of these two would be far more appealing than this recreated machine wearing a vin tag salvaged from a pile of scrap metal. differences of opinion aside, each scenario plays a part in creating a market for master craftsmen like mike to hone their skills and find enough financial incentive to make parts that would otherwise not exist. pricey as the items are, they would be more so without the market expanding beyond the cars they actually belong on.
Some folks prefer their cars to be closer in integrity to the original factory that built them. What would a hemi 4 speed Daytona be worth in 100% perfect condition with 3 miles on it? :shruggy:
Personally to me a" factory original" 3 mile HEMI Daytona would be as worth as much as a newly created HEMI Daytona if they were equal in build/quality/etc, I see no difference in the variables of who, when, where, how a machine has been assembled, to me a machinery's value is a sum of it's parts, not it's misguided assigned pedigree or collector status
i'm not making the connection between your question and the comment of mine that you quoted. unless it was mike's line in it that you're addressing?
mileage aside, does an untouched J- code daytona even exist?. a real hemi daytona restored to that condition (there are a handful of "perfect" ones) might be the only possibility.
would a real 440 daytona with a hemi added to it command much more than the same car without it? i would think it's more valuable with a numbers matching 440 than with the hemi.
and mike, speaking of the sum of the parts, do you have set prices on the pieces you make? i'd like to get a list of whats on hand, and what might be in the works, with or without prices. as much as i'd like to keep it all metal, i will likely have to go with a glass nose if i ever want to get the ball rolling
i need literally everything, as all of the nose pieces are gone and the car has a 70 front end on it
I do find it hard to believe that some folks on this thread are basically saying/implying that if I built a, let say, a Hemi Charger ground up with new NOS or quality pattern or used parts and built it as well (or badly ...LOL!) as Mopar did in the late sixties....that you would pay or at least deem it to have a value the same as the original mint car.....really??.....I think not. It may just be a machine....but its not the real thing no matter how well its been put together....its a fake at worst or a replica at best. Personally I would not pay a fraction for the copy that I would pay for the real thing. And I feel neither would any serious owner/collector. Certainly not in the UK anyway. Cars that have been rebodied here (like rust prone cars such as MGs or early Italian cars)...even if every other original part has been transferred across will not make anything like the same car with its original metal.
Quote from: alfaitalia on April 18, 2017, 10:22:44 AM
I do find it hard to believe that some folks on this thread are basically saying/implying that if I built a, let say, a Hemi Charger ground up with new NOS or quality pattern or used parts and built it as well (or badly ...LOL!) as Mopar did in the late sixties....that you would pay or at least deem it to have a value the same as the original mint car.....really??.....I think not. It may just be a machine....but its not the real thing no matter how well its been put together....its a fake at worst or a replica at best. Personally I would not pay a fraction for the copy that I would pay for the real thing. And I feel neither would any serious owner/collector. Certainly not in the UK anyway. Cars that have been rebodied here (like rust prone cars such as MGs or early Italian cars)...even if every other original part has been transferred across will not make anything like the same car with its original metal.
When I say that a quality replica is deemed the same in value as a so called "original", I'm not implying that I'd pay the ridiculous prices these cars are selling for, anybody in their right mind thinks a 69 HEMI Daytona is REALLY worth $900K?, that 71 HEMICUDA verts are worth $2-$4 million...come on
You can overpay for your Detroit made "original" trash, I'll settle for the "replica", side by side, they're the same....
What if I told you that I know where the Watermelon "Daytona" is stored? (missing the nose & wing, but you can still see the custom paint job) Are you saying you would not want to buy it?
Since it's the real one, that doesn't matter since it's just a machine? :shruggy:
I'll settle for the "replica", side by side, they're the same..
No Sir...they are most certainly not....we will just have to agree to disagree!
.......but to be fair, in your business, it would be strange if you had the other point of view...so fair enough.
http://cars.barcroft.tv/replica-of-thirty-eight-million-dollar-ferrari-built-in-chicken-shed-new-zealand
I don't know if you guys have seen the chicken house Ferrari replica. Very high quality, but they say only worth $1 million compared to an original at $38 million.
Wow...I would like one tenth of that guys skills.
Quote from: odcics2 on April 18, 2017, 01:02:10 PM
What if I told you that I know where the Watermelon "Daytona" is stored? (missing the nose & wing, but you can still see the custom paint job) Are you saying you would not want to buy it?
Since it's the real one, that doesn't matter since it's just a machine? :shruggy:
Greg, seriously I'd have no interest in possessing it, IMHO I already possess it's essence in my recreation, now if it were dirt cheap, it would be fodder for another type of Charger/Daytona build, just like any other affordable Charger platform would lend itself to, I'm not wrapped up in that nostalgia, pedigree, originality, numbers matching, Provence, history or whatever other form of emotional attachment some car owners associated with owning a car, my attraction to a vehicle is just that, an attraction to it's form, be it; it's driveline, styling, performance, overall appeal, etc...nothing more, nothing less
Mike
Quote from: alfaitalia on April 18, 2017, 03:39:22 PM
I'll settle for the "replica", side by side, they're the same..
No Sir...they are most certainly not....we will just have to agree to disagree!
.......but to be fair, in your business, it would be strange if you had the other point of view...so fair enough.
Actually from a structural/mechanical aspect the replica would be a far better product, the attention to the build, detail, assembly, construction, overall finish, materials used, etc would be FAR SUPERIOR than the factory assembled mass production unit, assuming the builder was of a fastidious nature
Mike
Quote from: DAY CLONA on April 18, 2017, 06:15:54 PM
Quote from: alfaitalia on April 18, 2017, 03:39:22 PM
I'll settle for the "replica", side by side, they're the same..
No Sir...they are most certainly not....we will just have to agree to disagree!
.......but to be fair, in your business, it would be strange if you had the other point of view...so fair enough.
Actually from a structural/mechanical aspect the replica would be a far better product, the attention to the build, detail, assembly, construction, overall finish, materials used, etc would be FAR SUPERIOR than the factory assembled mass production unit, assuming the builder was of a fastidious nature
Mike
Agreed! But, it's still not a Ferrari.
IMO, a car closer to original is worth more than a pile of repop sheetmetal, no matter how well crafted. :Twocents:
This fine car can be yours for the small sum of $150k I saw this car at the AMD showroom yesterday.Looks very good.But missing drive train and interior.This is a testament that nothing is too far gone.Hats off the AMD and the people who dedicate themselves to the perseveration of the cars we love.
If there really asking 150k for a virtual clone of itself no matter how well made .......dynacorn should get in the game building new b bodies it seems pretty lucrative ,while it would be nice to assemble a new car real car owners would probably not apreciate this or taking a hit in their investments......ill settle for a satellite bird because the markets gone too high for me to get in as it is for many
Quote from: winghawg on April 19, 2017, 07:05:30 AM
This fine car can be yours for the small sum of $150k I saw this car at the AMD showroom yesterday.Looks very good.But missing drive train and interior.This is a testament that nothing is too far gone.Hats off the AMD and the people who dedicate themselves to the perseveration of the cars we love.
I wonder how much all the new metal parts price adds up to and all the man hours $ adds up to put this car together to see how much of a premium the vin tag is really worth :shruggy:
Quote from: dave14 on April 19, 2017, 07:19:45 AM
If there really asking 150k for a virtual clone of itself no matter how well made .......dynacorn should get in the game building new b bodies it seems pretty lucrative ,while it would be nice to assemble a new car real car owners would probably not apreciate this or taking a hit in their investments......ill settle for a satellite bird because the markets gone too high for me to get in as it is for many
Big difference between a dynacorn first gen camaro and a possibility of a B body
Compare the costs of the rebuilds of each and the actual volume/demand for either one....Mopar has never been financially beneficial in the restoration parts industry for vendors and they pale in comparison to the other makes.....
true enough these arent camaros and mustangs and we dont want them to be......every mopar guy expects to pay more to build their cars but at 150 k for a roller seems like theres room for profit even if it were a third the price and if a b body were recreated im sure you could build all the cars that came from that unibody platform with differing outer sheet metal....thats how mopar did it chassis and mechanicals were the same car brands and body styles to change it up ,having a wider audience and more cars to choose from could make it viable ...... not that wed ever expect to pay mustang /camaro type prices. Its too bad because you cant buy whats not available
Quote from: odcics2 on April 19, 2017, 05:31:46 AM
Quote from: DAY CLONA on April 18, 2017, 06:15:54 PM
Quote from: alfaitalia on April 18, 2017, 03:39:22 PM
I'll settle for the "replica", side by side, they're the same..
No Sir...they are most certainly not....we will just have to agree to disagree!
.......but to be fair, in your business, it would be strange if you had the other point of view...so fair enough.
Actually from a structural/mechanical aspect the replica would be a far better product, the attention to the build, detail, assembly, construction, overall finish, materials used, etc would be FAR SUPERIOR than the factory assembled mass production unit, assuming the builder was of a fastidious nature
Mike
Agreed! But, it's still not a Ferrari.
IMO, a car closer to original is worth more than a pile of repop sheetmetal, no matter how well crafted. :Twocents:
Agreed,
Anyone who thinks this pile is worth similar to an original is dreaming.
Quote from: gtx6970 on April 20, 2017, 04:42:18 PM
Quote from: odcics2 on April 19, 2017, 05:31:46 AM
Quote from: DAY CLONA on April 18, 2017, 06:15:54 PM
Quote from: alfaitalia on April 18, 2017, 03:39:22 PM
I'll settle for the "replica", side by side, they're the same..
No Sir...they are most certainly not....we will just have to agree to disagree!
.......but to be fair, in your business, it would be strange if you had the other point of view...so fair enough.
Actually from a structural/mechanical aspect the replica would be a far better product, the attention to the build, detail, assembly, construction, overall finish, materials used, etc would be FAR SUPERIOR than the factory assembled mass production unit, assuming the builder was of a fastidious nature
Mike
Agreed! But, it's still not a Ferrari.
IMO, a car closer to original is worth more than a pile of repop sheetmetal, no matter how well crafted. :Twocents:
Agreed,
Anyone who thinks this pile is worth similar to an original is dreaming.
:iagree: I agree. :scratchchin:
Its funny how Folks are getting all 'hot under the collar' with rare Mopars!
Some of us can remember when they were just grocery getters, used and abused!
Many Aero's were 'left for dead', back when IT DIDN'T MATTER!!! :slap:
Now when Aero's are trendy again, everyone wants one and can't afford 'em... :RantExplode:
They should have been treated better by the owners 'back in the day' and there wouldn't be any Rotters now.
Nearly all the Aero's should be in rustfree condition and cared for, From day ONE!
Apart from car wrecks and 'Acts of God' there should be well over 2400 Aero's left for all to enjoy.
But alas NO, probably less than a 1000 who knows?
WW
Quote from: Wingwalker on April 25, 2017, 01:52:53 PM
Its funny how Folks are getting all 'hot under the collar' with rare Mopars!
Some of us can remember when they were just grocery getters, used and abused!
Many Aero's were 'left for dead', back when IT DIDN'T MATTER!!! :slap:
Now when Aero's are trendy again, everyone wants one and can't afford 'em... :RantExplode:
They should have been treated better by the owners 'back in the day' and there wouldn't be any Rotters now.
Nearly all the Aero's should be in rustfree condition and cared for, From day ONE!
Apart from car wrecks and 'Acts of God' there should be well over 2500 Aero's left for all to enjoy.
But alas NO, probably less than a 1000 who knows?
WW
The survival rate on wing cars is far higher than the typical muscle car.
Quote from: Aero426 on April 25, 2017, 02:59:30 PM
Quote from: Wingwalker on April 25, 2017, 01:52:53 PM
Its funny how Folks are getting all 'hot under the collar' with rare Mopars!
Some of us can remember when they were just grocery getters, used and abused!
Many Aero's were 'left for dead', back when IT DIDN'T MATTER!!! :slap:
Now when Aero's are trendy again, everyone wants one and can't afford 'em... :RantExplode:
They should have been treated better by the owners 'back in the day' and there wouldn't be any Rotters now.
Nearly all the Aero's should be in rustfree condition and cared for, From day ONE!
Apart from car wrecks and 'Acts of God' there should be well over 2500 Aero's left for all to enjoy.
But alas NO, probably less than a 1000 who knows?
WW
The survival rate on wing cars is far higher than the typical muscle car.
If the survival rate of A12's, which are not your 'average' muscle car, some variants in fact being rarer than Daytona's, can be used as a yardstick in determining how many aero cars there are left, your'e looking at around a 17% survival rate (3300 approx A12's made, 565 survivors accounted for so far). There'll be some variation based on peoples own interpretations of which ones were driven hardest or looked after better, but even allowing for 5% swings, at best there'll be around 550 aero car survivors @ 22% of the original production. At a guess, about 5 A12's a year are discovered 'in the wild' but that pool will dry up fast and taper off to one a year pretty soon. Basically, like aero's, its uncommon for them to be found and the % of survivors will not move much from where it is now, so the point is, if you really want one, your best chance is today!
Quote from: Wingwalker on April 25, 2017, 01:52:53 PM
Its funny how Folks are getting all 'hot under the collar' with rare Mopars!
Some of us can remember when they were just grocery getters, used and abused!
Many Aero's were 'left for dead', back when IT DIDN'T MATTER!!! :slap:
Now when Aero's are trendy again, everyone wants one and can't afford 'em... :RantExplode:
They should have been treated better by the owners 'back in the day' and there wouldn't be any Rotters now.
Nearly all the Aero's should be in rustfree condition and cared for, From day ONE!
Apart from car wrecks and 'Acts of God' there should be well over 2500 Aero's left for all to enjoy.
But alas NO, probably less than a 1000 who knows?
WW
How could there be or should there be over 2500 Aero's left, I don't think the total # of Aero's made was 2500. It was less then that. more like 2438. LEON.
Quote from: A12 Superbee on April 25, 2017, 06:15:38 PM
If the survival rate of A12's, which are not your 'average' muscle car, some variants in fact being rarer than Daytona's, can be used as a yardstick in determining how many aero cars there are left, your'e looking at around a 17% survival rate (3300 approx A12's made, 565 survivors accounted for so far). There'll be some variation based on peoples own interpretations of which ones were driven hardest or looked after better, but even allowing for 5% swings, at best there'll be around 550 aero car survivors @ 22% of the original production. At a guess, about 5 A12's a year are discovered 'in the wild' but that pool will dry up fast and taper off to one a year pretty soon. Basically, like aero's, its uncommon for them to be found and the % of survivors will not move much from where it is now, so the point is, if you really want one, your best chance is today!
The Daytona and Superbird survival rate is over 60% of production. C500, Talladega and Spoiler II rates are significantly less.
Quote from: Aero426 on April 25, 2017, 10:29:43 PM
Quote from: A12 Superbee on April 25, 2017, 06:15:38 PM
If the survival rate of A12's, which are not your 'average' muscle car, some variants in fact being rarer than Daytona's, can be used as a yardstick in determining how many aero cars there are left, your'e looking at around a 17% survival rate (3300 approx A12's made, 565 survivors accounted for so far). There'll be some variation based on peoples own interpretations of which ones were driven hardest or looked after better, but even allowing for 5% swings, at best there'll be around 550 aero car survivors @ 22% of the original production. At a guess, about 5 A12's a year are discovered 'in the wild' but that pool will dry up fast and taper off to one a year pretty soon. Basically, like aero's, its uncommon for them to be found and the % of survivors will not move much from where it is now, so the point is, if you really want one, your best chance is today!
The Daytona and Superbird survival rate is over 60% of production. C500, Talladega and Spoiler II rates are significantly less.
Well in that case I don't know why theres such a fuss about them! :icon_smile_tongue:
Thanx Leon, it was a typo it was supposed to say 2400.
If I had bought an Aero in 69/70 then it would be still in COTTON wool!
Cotton Owens never cut-up any Aero's and none were ever used for racing.
Apart from a mad dash down the Freeway and occasional dragstrip duty, how would 40% get wrecked???
We are not talking Ferrari's here just an expensive grocery getter with a wing/nose and window plug
If you could afford one, it would be a second or third use car only.
Todays prices are not representitve of 1970 Exoctica! :rofl:
Quote from: Wingwalker on April 26, 2017, 01:48:55 PM
Thanx Leon, it was a typo it was supposed to say 2400.
If I had bought an Aero in 69/70 then it would be still in COTTON wool!
Cotton Owens never cut-up any Aero's and none were ever used for racing.
Apart from a mad dash down the Freeway and occasional dragstrip duty, how would 40% get wrecked???
We are not talking Ferrari's here just an expensive grocery getter with a wing/nose and window plug
If you could afford one, it would be a second or third use car only.
Todays prices are not representitve of 1970 Exoctica! :rofl:
I would guess that more rotted away than were wrecked. :Twocents:
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If you could afford one, it would be a second or third use car only.
not always the case. ours was the primary family car from day one until another car was purchased new in 1974. the daytona still saw semi-regular (and year round) use through the next decade
Quote from: Wingwalker on April 26, 2017, 01:48:55 PM
Thanx Leon, it was a typo it was supposed to say 2400.
If I had bought an Aero in 69/70 then it would be still in COTTON wool!
Cotton Owens never cut-up any Aero's and none were ever used for racing.
Apart from a mad dash down the Freeway and occasional dragstrip duty, how would 40% get wrecked???
We are not talking Ferrari's here just an expensive grocery getter with a wing/nose and window plug
If you could afford one, it would be a second or third use car only.
Todays prices are not representitve of 1970 Exoctica! :rofl:
I was only counting wing cars. I guess if you were to count/add the 1969 500 then it would be over 2500 :scratchchin: :shruggy: LEON.
Just watched the show on how they sliced and diced it. They built the car on a jig with all new AMD parts except the front frame rails and door hinge pilars that were sourced from another car in his junkyard.
After the car was made on the jig they slapped the drivers outer rocker on along with the inner roof/ inner quarter panel framing from the daytona. And call it the original car saying they salvaged as much as possible. If i had to guess id say 5% of the original car is there. oh ya but the original VIN tag is in place.
150k for basically a dynacorn shell really ? i hope thats a joke.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dCu5xVBvv5E
Quote from: hemi-hampton on April 26, 2017, 11:39:05 PM
Quote from: Wingwalker on April 26, 2017, 01:48:55 PM
Thanx Leon, it was a typo it was supposed to say 2400.
If I had bought an Aero in 69/70 then it would be still in COTTON wool!
Cotton Owens never cut-up any Aero's and none were ever used for racing.
Apart from a mad dash down the Freeway and occasional dragstrip duty, how would 40% get wrecked???
We are not talking Ferrari's here just an expensive grocery getter with a wing/nose and window plug
If you could afford one, it would be a second or third use car only.
Todays prices are not representitve of 1970 Exoctica! :rofl:
I was only counting wing cars. I guess if you were to count/add the 1969 500 then it would be over 2500 :scratchchin: :shruggy: LEON.
The 500'S took a beating because they looked like any other Charger from 20 feet away and were driven as such, mine included...
Wasn't there an urban myth about the C500 in the junkyard - owner says, " I'm gonna crush that one, it didn't get the fancy hideaway grill". :o
Just off top of my head but I am pretty sure there is around 375 of the Daytona's accounted for that are still around. I can personally account to 278 of the 500's as still being around. Have info on several others that aren't around any more too. Last I heard there was around 1,000-1,100 of the Superbird tgat are accounted for and still around. So that brings you to 1,600-1,800 right there out of the 2,700 roughly built.
Be interesting to know how many of them are rebodied cars with switched VINs etc......quite a few I'm willing to bet.
Quote from: alfaitalia on December 01, 2017, 07:49:45 AM
Be interesting to know how many of them are rebodied cars with switched VINs etc......quite a few I'm willing to bet.
WAAAAAAYYYYYYYYYYY back in 1983, there was a MoPar show-swap meet at Milan Dragway, in Michigan.
I sat there and listened to a guy brag how he SAVED a rusted out hemi Road Runner from getting junked because he put all the numbers on a rust free Satellite from Arizona! (along with the entire driveline, dashboard, etc.)
That was back when the cars were CHEAP! This stuff has been going on for decades. Unless you bought the car new, who really knows it's history?
SO, What ever happened to this thing :shruggy: Any Updates :shruggy: LEON.
I last saw the car sitting at AMD showroom floor a few months ago. Dustin the counter person at AMD said it went to a car show. And it was to come back. I was up there about 3 weeks ago and it has not come back as of yet. still for sale for 150k
Quote from: winghawg on April 17, 2018, 05:03:39 AM
I last saw the car sitting at AMD showroom floor a few months ago. Dustin the counter person at AMD said it went to a car show. And it was to come back. I was up there about 3 weeks ago and it has not come back as of yet. still for sale for 150k
Did I not read somewhere that this was a car "that would never be for sale"? :smilielol:
I saw Ted at the Chicagoland Mopar Connection Winter Swap back in February.
We talked about our Daytonas and Ted told me that after a couple of shows for AMD the Daytona would be finished.
MJ
Quote from: Aero426 on April 17, 2018, 09:03:17 AM
Quote from: winghawg on April 17, 2018, 05:03:39 AM
I last saw the car sitting at AMD showroom floor a few months ago. Dustin the counter person at AMD said it went to a car show. And it was to come back. I was up there about 3 weeks ago and it has not come back as of yet. still for sale for 150k
Did I not read somewhere that this was a car "that would never be for sale"? :smilielol:
Some guys swap out vins on cars that will never be for sale. (or restamp numbers on blocks)
Later they change hands!
:scope:
Better know your stuff before plunking down the bucks. :Twocents:
It's not for sale. Ted has no intentions of selling it.
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It's not for sale. Ted has no intentions of selling it.
ted is not immortal, though
Is it still in AMD black e-coat primer? Will Ted have it painted Red? LEON.
That is true, but his family is heavily into the cars as well. It isn't going anywhere.
Once it gets done doing the shows it has lined up, promoting the AMD stuff. They do plan to put it back "restore" it back to original colors and such.