What is your thoughts on re body on a 1970 v code charger that was destroyed by fire. It was absolutely beyond repair.
If you are planning on using the original VIN, fender tag etc I think that's what they call ...."illegal"......LOL ! Well it certainly would be here...things might be different over there. Amongst other things it would be fraud...as you would be trying to pass a vehicle off as something it's not.......not too much of a problem all the time you own it....big problem when you want to sell or insure it. If you are not then is just a replica with a different VIN...in which case knock yourself out!
Why screw up another body by swapping VINs?
Two cars die that way.
Sad & illegal.
If in doubt, ask your local state cops about VIN swapping.
It is also insurance fraud if you insure a car body & the VIN on the policy is not for the original body.
Missouri highway patrol told me as long as I could use the firewall it is fine but that made no since as seeing that is not where the vin is.
As long as it's done in a legal way what would be the difference in replacing 90 percent of sheet metal on a rusty car. Those parts were not born with those car numbers so you changing the car basically.
You are building it for personal use or to resell? I say build a clone using the VIN from the Cloned car.. Cars die, we move on..
Quote from: Bdlakey on April 02, 2018, 12:39:31 AM
What is your thoughts on re body on a 1970 v code charger that was destroyed by fire. It was absolutely beyond repair.
You just opened up a can of worms. :lol:
The fakers & frauds will say to just do it, they want everyone to be like them.
The rest of us are trying to help you stay out of trouble.
Moving VINs ruins reputations too.
Dead cars stay dead around here.
This is why I dont buy restored cars. Not paying top dollar for a VIN swap.
A local guy had a burned out 68 Super Bee that looked awful but an interior, roof skin, 1 partial quarter, and doors it was back in respectable shape. Some can be saved from fire. Others cant.
The only reason to swap valuable tags onto a 318 car is to fool other people for a profit. No matter how you rationalize it, it's fraud. A clone won't look or drive any worse if it keeps its original 318 tags.
Hacking up a decent 318 car to save a few rotten chunks of a valuable one . . . that's not the solution either. The right solution is to just admit the valuable car is gone. If you want to clone it with a nice 318 car then go right ahead. But you should admit that the end result is clone.
Quote from: Bdlakey on April 02, 2018, 12:39:31 AM
What is your thoughts on re body on a 1970 v code charger that was destroyed by fire. It was absolutely beyond repair.
If you own the VIN/Title, and plan on resurrecting the non salvageable vehicle with whatever components you can transfer onto a donor body, do as you please, and keep it to yourself...no need to hear the pros and cons....
FYI: Federal Law will allow you to legally move the VIN onto a donor body, as long as you move the upper cowl/A pillar section measuring at least 22" in width from the salvaged vehicle onto the donor vehicle, whether you actually do this is your business, but good to know, you don't need an LEO present unless you decide to declare this action to your local RMV/DMV
Quote from: DAY CLONA on April 02, 2018, 11:31:52 AM
Quote from: Bdlakey on April 02, 2018, 12:39:31 AM
What is your thoughts on re body on a 1970 v code charger that was destroyed by fire. It was absolutely beyond repair.
FYI: Federal Law will allow you to legally move the VIN onto a donor body, as long as you move the upper cowl/A pillar section measuring at least 22" in width from the salvaged vehicle onto the donor vehicle, whether you actually do this is your business, but good to know, you don't need an LEO present unless you decide to declare this action to your local RMV/DMV
Source for this statement?
The car is burnt from one end to the other and was under another car that was on a lift. So when the building burnt the upper car landed on the 70. I could save the firewall and partial floor. So if I saved that much would it still be a rebody? I'm building it for myself but I may want to sell it one day but I absolutely am not trying to fool people. If it was a 318 car that burnt I wouldn't think twice about it but being the car it is, if there is anyway of keeping it a true 6 pac car I want to try every way possible as long as it is legal.
Quotebeing the car it is
It does not matter what the VIN says, the car is dead.
How is it dead if its legally fixable
Ask your state cops. ;)
Already have at it there. They told me as long as i used the complete firewall and the donor car had a title to terminate i would just have to go threw their papper work
Use the search function on this site and read until you fall asleep.
Don't drudge up this subject again, its getting old..
F8-4life, i would delet this thread but it wont let me
Quote from: Bdlakey on April 02, 2018, 02:23:46 PM
Already have at it there. They told me as long as i used the complete firewall and the donor car had a title to terminate i would just have to go threw their papper work
You could do that, but depending on your State, you might end up with a salvage or repaired vehicle title unknowingly, by not declaring the action, which is not illegal BTW (unless there's an Insurance/body shop involved) as long as you retain for your records the title (in your name) and or bill of sale for the donor vehicle to be disclosed at a future possible sale, you can then retain your current "clear" title/registration and avoid LEO inspection or DMV inspection after the "rebody".... generally terminating a donor title/bill of sale is done by Insurance/Body Shops to local/State LEO/RMV/DMV officers, you can do it on a private party release, but this action is generally for licensed repair shops...DAMHIK
Quote from: Bdlakey on April 02, 2018, 03:13:19 PM
F8-4life, i would delet this thread but it wont let me
No reason to do that, your here to ask a question, granted some in the hobby don't like the idea of rebodies, nothing wrong performing this task, just do it the right way, make sure the donor is free and clear of any liens, is/was not stolen or abandoned, that you have a title and/ or bill of sale from the State in which it was purchased... if some individuals here have no intention of helping you, or their sensitive natures are upset by your questions, there's plenty of other fodder for them to turn their attention to....
Why's everyone giving this lad such grief, while everyone watches chop cut rebuild as they build a car from Ted's VIN tag.. :yesnod: :icon_smile_big:
Quote from: birdsandbees on April 02, 2018, 04:28:27 PM
Why's everyone giving this lad such grief, while everyone watches chop cut rebuild as they build a car from Ted's VIN tag.. :yesnod: :icon_smile_big:
and that So called XP hemi charger of Kieslers also. Plus All the cars Grave Yard cars sends off to AMD and by miracle they come back rebodied but Not so says the show .
I just want to save a car that they do not build anymore and that was a low production number to start with. I own a restoration shop so using it threw the state patrol they told me i could retain by original vin but I have to have both cars inspected before and after. I'm sure it's going to be a big pain but worth it for me
Quote from: Bdlakey on April 02, 2018, 04:55:47 PM
I just want to save a car that they do not build anymore and that was a low production number to start with. I own a restoration shop so using it threw the state patrol they told me i could retain by original vin but I have to have both cars inspected before and after. I'm sure it's going to be a big pain but worth it for me
any way you do it its still going to be a rebody and will alway be worth less in most peoples eyes .
Quote from: Bdlakey on April 02, 2018, 04:55:47 PM
I just want to save a car that they do not build anymore and that was a low production number to start with. I own a restoration shop so using it threw the state patrol they told me i could retain by original vin but I have to have both cars inspected before and after. I'm sure it's going to be a big pain but worth it for me
...and there is the thing...copying it is NOT saving it. If I cloned my dead Grandfather....it would look like him....but it would not be him and he would still be as dead as that car.
...... So I'll just stick to cloning super models from the hair I clip from them while they sleep........)...........insert evil laugh here!
Quote from: Bdlakey on April 02, 2018, 04:55:47 PM
I just want to save a car that they do not build anymore and that was a low production number to start with. I own a restoration shop so using it threw the state patrol they told me i could retain by original vin but I have to have both cars inspected before and after. I'm sure it's going to be a big pain but worth it for me
Ask yourself.....knowing the car was a rebody would you buy it?
Moving VINs is not saving anything.
They can't all be saved.
Rationalizating and justifying is a waste of time.
Quote from: moparstuart on April 02, 2018, 04:59:07 PM
Quote from: Bdlakey on April 02, 2018, 04:55:47 PM
I just want to save a car that they do not build anymore and that was a low production number to start with. I own a restoration shop so using it threw the state patrol they told me i could retain by original vin but I have to have both cars inspected before and after. I'm sure it's going to be a big pain but worth it for me
any way you do it its still going to be a rebody and will alway be worth less in most peoples eyes .
Who cares?! It's his car...If he thinks it's worth it, that's all that matters.
Quote from: Lennard on April 02, 2018, 07:45:19 PM
Who cares?!
Based on the replies, some of us care.
Quote from: Alaskan_TA on April 02, 2018, 08:42:44 PM
Quote from: Lennard on April 02, 2018, 07:45:19 PM
Who cares?!
Based on the replies, some of us care.
So some of you guys care that his car will be worth less in most peoples eyes . :violin:
Quote from: Lennard on April 02, 2018, 09:06:43 PM
Quote from: Alaskan_TA on April 02, 2018, 08:42:44 PM
Quote from: Lennard on April 02, 2018, 07:45:19 PM
Who cares?!
Based on the replies, some of us care.
So some of you guys care that his car will be worth less in most peoples eyes . :violin:
Some care that reboding cars/VIN swapping is wrong.
I've never heard anyone that bought a rebody brag about paying full price for a fake car.
:blahblah: You're changing the subject. Moparstuart said that if the o.p. is going to rebody a car, it will always be worth less money in most peoples eyes . Who gives a sh!t what other people think his car, my car, your car, any car is worth?! That's nobody's but the car owner's business.
On the one hand, these cars all rolled down the same assembly lines.
And I understand that you would inform the person you sold the car to as to the re-body or major parts replacement.
Who's to say they will be so honest when they tire of the car?
I vote no!
Quote from: sccachallenger on April 02, 2018, 09:27:26 PM
On the one hand, these cars all rolled down the same assembly lines.
And I understand that you would inform the person you sold the car to as to the re-body or major parts replacement.
Who's to say they will be so honest when they tire of the car?
I vote no!
He didn't ask for your vote or anyone's vote. There is no poll added to this topic. :image_294343:
He's asking for thoughts.
It looks to me like he did. If not, what was the purpose of asking about it on a worldwide forum?
Most of the people that do these rebodies play it off as if they are doing no harm. Maybe there are some that truly mean it. Greed does have a way of swaying opinions though. Also, a very strong point is when the car is sold later.
I'll never sell it.
Yeah, sure. People die. People change their minds. People get caught molesting a goat and go to jail.....and the car gets sold. The next guy may not have the same moral character. Poof! A scam is in the works!
Fuck it, build it...let the 318 car die and keep the v code alive. Those guys who buy over 10k in metal to fix what they have, that is a Chinese rebody don't care what u say...most of that car was built in China. If I use some of the original metal on the new donor body...boom same damn thing but at least mine is chrysler metal
This isn't just an issue of being a purist, it is a matter of the law.
It's not illegal for restoration if both titles are in ur name. The law was made to prevent re-vining a stolen car.
Quote from: cbrestorations on April 02, 2018, 11:01:51 PM
It's not illegal for restoration if both titles are in ur name. The law was made to prevent re-vining a stolen car.
Links to applicable state and federal codes to set us straight?
Hell I've post those damn forms on here before whenever this issue comes up. I'm on the road with my phone so I am not doing it right now. It was a DMV form that allowed removal of body vins with a Before inspection and after completion inspection of restoration. It is a restoration clause
U can literally build a car with just a core support, trunk gutter and vin tag. Weld those panels to a 4 door satellite donor with a charger roof and blamo restored
Quote from: Lennard on April 02, 2018, 07:49:08 AM
You just opened up a can of worms. :lol:
Nailed it. :2thumbs:
Quote from: Kern Dog on April 02, 2018, 09:52:07 PM
It looks to me like he did. If not, what was the purpose of asking about it on a worldwide forum?
Most of the people that do these rebodies play it off as if they are doing no harm. Maybe there are some that truly mean it. Greed does have a way of swaying opinions though. Also, a very strong point is when the car is sold later.
I'll never sell it.
Yeah, sure. People die. People change their minds. People get caught molesting a goat and go to jail.....and the car gets sold. The next guy may not have the same moral character. Poof! A scam is in the works!
....what you mean its illegal with goats too ?.......dam! Where's that chicken ?
....exactly. I cant see how, in the future, this car would not be tried to pass off as the real thing...and if sold to a non expert...like me!...they could easily get a way with it. Are all the people saying its OK happy with that? And to all you rare car collectors....how would you like to find out that you real cars aint so real. I can guarantee that at least a few of you have "real" Hemi cars or "real" V code cars etc etc that are not real....you have just not found out yet. There must be some by virue of the members happy to build them!! And pride would probably stop you admitting it if you did find out you had a ringer. Even if you live somewhere its legal (which I doubt)....its still morally wrong.
Quote from: cbrestorations on April 02, 2018, 11:18:36 PM
U can literally build a car with just a core support, trunk gutter and vin tag. Weld those panels to a 4 door satellite donor with a charger roof and blamo restored
Like this one? :icon_smile_big:
Yup that one too...I'm very open about what I do, that car however...it was $200 for just the front frame rails I need to fix my car or $250 for the whole thing plus tax. Guess which deal I took lol. Cheapest 69 r/t vin tag I've ever bought though 😁
http://www.dmvnv.com/salvage.htm
So don't buy a car from Nevada!
Chris you don't plan on selling it anyway right?
Quote from: Mopar Nut on April 03, 2018, 03:58:03 AM
http://www.dmvnv.com/salvage.htm
So don't buy a car from Nevada!
Chris don't plan on selling it anyway right?
That's not the correct link, it's an actual classic car restoration clause from Nevada DMV.
Nope no plans to really sell any of my cars unless someone offers me a not for sale price. I'm gonna be that old fuck with a lot of chargers on his property. Why...because I can. You guys will really like my new project where I'm dropping a 68 charger body on a NASCAR chassis with a chevy race motor and still using the 68 charger vin to register. I love Nevada and it's DMV laws 😝😝😝😝.
Quote from: cbrestorations on April 03, 2018, 04:43:11 AM
Quote from: Mopar Nut on April 03, 2018, 03:58:03 AM
http://www.dmvnv.com/salvage.htm
So don't buy a car from Nevada!
Chris don't plan on selling it anyway right?
That's not the correct link, it's an actual classic car restoration clause from Nevada DMV.
Nope no plans to really sell any of my cars unless someone offers me a not for sale price. I'm gonna be that old fuck with a lot of chargers on his property. Why...because I can. You guys will really like my new project where I'm dropping a 68 charger body on a NASCAR chassis with a chevy race motor and still using the 68 charger vin to register. I love Nevada and it's DMV laws 😝😝😝😝.
I think the part you love about Nevada and it's DMV laws are that you don't know how to read and comprehend them, also Federal laws take precedence over state laws.
So you're questioning my friend's intelligence. :popcrn:
Quote from: Y1CHARGER on April 03, 2018, 07:07:29 AM
Quote from: cbrestorations on April 03, 2018, 04:43:11 AM
Quote from: Mopar Nut on April 03, 2018, 03:58:03 AM
http://www.dmvnv.com/salvage.htm
So don't buy a car from Nevada!
Chris don't plan on selling it anyway right?
That's not the correct link, it's an actual classic car restoration clause from Nevada DMV.
Nope no plans to really sell any of my cars unless someone offers me a not for sale price. I'm gonna be that old fuck with a lot of chargers on his property. Why...because I can. You guys will really like my new project where I'm dropping a 68 charger body on a NASCAR chassis with a chevy race motor and still using the 68 charger vin to register. I love Nevada and it's DMV laws 😝😝😝😝.
I think the part you love about Nevada and it's DMV laws are that you don't know how to read and comprehend them, also Federal laws take precedence over state laws.
Im a racer, we built racecars by the grey area in the rule book. I found the grey area in the DMV and take advantage of it 😁. Especially putting a charger body on a tube chassis racecar and registered as a charger. 100 percent legal and could build that bitch in front of the courthouse
1. Denial
2. Anger
3. Bargaining <--we are here now
4. Depression
5. Acceptance
I see rebodies for sale ever now and then, some blatantly obvious with a 70 vin on a 68 body, you know what happens to those cars...nothing. I've even seen some advertised as a rebody, you know what happened to that car...it sold. Some people don't care and just want a charger. Only time bad shit happens is when a thief revins a stolen car. As long as you own both vins titled in ur name...golden
These threads never get anywhere. Is there anyone out there that has PURCHASED a rebody car either knowingly or unknowingly and can tell us what they think? Maybe pictures too.
I'm not from the US....obviously.......but surely folks opinions on rebodies are irrelevant or what state its done in. Its against Federal Law which from my understanding over rules state law in all States. So its illegal surely. Like people who decat cars in States with no annual safety check (or at least no emissions check) ....they might never get caught because nobody ever checks.....but its illegal none the less.
Gotta love the Federal laws that take precedence over state laws. This car was seized & verified as a VIN swap car, details at http://board.moparts.org/ubbthreads/ubbthreads.php/topics/1244228/1.html
I work with these legal agencies when needed.
Why dump money in a VIN swap car that can later be seized?
VIN swapping is an idiotic concept.
Difference there is he had no original body stamping....all u need like I said earlier vin (attached to dash) body stampings and title. Without the stampings you have nothing to tie the vin to that body. If he would of had those on that car instead of some other car number he could of told the investigators "see ya". I've already had the state at my place...showed them titles in my name that matched pieces of cars. I'm golden 😁😁😁. Those are the only important parts of the car that have to be there. Since the vin tag doesn't actually attach to the body just the dash frame is all u need. How many of you guys remove the dash to restore ur dash? How many of you have removed the vin tag from the dash and used repop rivits? Also illegal without the proper paperwork lol.
Ur not supposed to have as many cars as I do on the property but since they are all the same make and classics I can stack these sucker, slice and dice them to fix because it is seen as a hobby. I'm under the "hobbyist" clause and beeze all good in the hood. It was funny to see the inspectors face when I dropped the box of titles on the hood and said "which one you wanna see first" lol winning
Oh another thing I was told by the inspector...it's better to have no body stampings (amd replacements) than the wrong stampings. On 68's you have to school them on the production number vs vin number. One of the 68 r/ts in my backyard didn't match with vin and body stamping...duh it's a 68, never will on any of them.
Is school still in session or are we laying this to rest?
Quote from: cbrestorations on April 03, 2018, 01:21:23 PM
Difference there is he had no original body stamping....all u need like I said earlier vin (attached to dash) body stampings and title. Without the stampings you have nothing to tie the vin to that body. If he would of had those on that car instead of some other car number he could of told the investigators "see ya". I've already had the state at my place...showed them titles in my name that matched pieces of cars. I'm golden 😁😁😁. Those are the only important parts of the car that have to be there. Since the vin tag doesn't actually attach to the body just the dash frame is all u need. How many of you guys remove the dash to restore ur dash? How many of you have removed the vin tag from the dash and used repop rivits? Also illegal without the proper paperwork lol.
Ur not supposed to have as many cars as I do on the property but since they are all the same make and classics I can stack these sucker, slice and dice them to fix because it is seen as a hobby. I'm under the "hobbyist" clause and beeze all good in the hood. It was funny to see the inspectors face when I dropped the box of titles on the hood and said "which one you wanna see first" lol winning
QuoteInsert Quote
Oh another thing I was told by the inspector...it's better to have no body stampings (amd replacements) than the wrong stampings. On 68's you have to school them on the production number vs vin number. One of the 68 r/ts in my backyard didn't match with vin and body stamping...duh it's a 68, never will on any of them.
Is school still in session or are we laying this to rest?
Show the same exact things to the Feds & see who learns what. ;-)
Marijuana is illegal per Feds, we had a crop in California and made bunches of money, shoot that's what paid for some of my chargers lol. We got state license, grew the legal allowed quantity and guess what happened...not a damn thing. Grey areas for the win 😁
(https://s14.postimg.org/6s4vw1z5d/IMG_3529.jpg)
Well now you've done it, you hoodlum! :lol:
Quote from: cbrestorations on April 03, 2018, 01:36:19 PM
Oh another thing I was told by the inspector...it's better to have no body stampings (amd replacements) than the wrong stampings. On 68's you have to school them on the production number vs vin number. One of the 68 r/ts in my backyard didn't match with vin and body stamping...duh it's a 68, never will on any of them.
Is school still in session or are we laying this to rest?
I'm impressed.
I don't think I'd feel comfortable leaving a digital trail of evidence that could be used at a trial.
Ever consider your posts just may come back to haunt you some day?
But.....you're in the right so....no worries......you're good.
I've gotta do something wrong first to be in a trial lol
I guess a guy could make an argument both ways , legalities, ethics,....
But with some of the really extensive restorations being undertaken on these Cars, I mean darn near every panel nowadays being replaced with re-pop stuff ?
just say'in...
Some would qualify as a "rebody" anyways ?
Replace the trunk floor/drops, 1/4's, Fenders, inner fenders, Hood, Roof, Floorpans, maybe doors or a frame rail or 2 as well if rotted... and PRESTO !
What's the diff in just lifting up a VIN tag, and squirreling another Car underneath ?
Oh Look.... I restored my Firewall, a-Pillars and 2 of 4 frame rails.... WHAT an "original" Car ?
Anybody remember that GYC episode where the guy showed up with a crushed Daytona from a Ravine ? What did he have ?
* a piece of twisted Rad Support
* a crushed Dash VIN
* another "piece" I think of the rear quarter panel with the VIn stamping
* not much else other than a few rusted twisted pieces of metal un-recognizable as anything BUT a Car !
Never saw the end or found out what happened with that "project" ? Did that guy spend $100K restoring THAT ...... ahem..... "Daytona" ?
Because then you'd have a different car under your vin tag. I believe the consensus is if the tag doesn't leave the dash you can start with a vin tag and whatever solid metal is left around it. Some people like to remove tags during a restoration, (Wayne Carinne argues this is ok in a chasing classic cars episode) There's no reason for that...
Edit- was replying to a post that disappeared
There's generally rust under the tag... OH NO.. I broke the law...
Dumb part is the VIN tag is only attached to the removable dash!
The drug reference does not surprise me at all.
In some places, loose VIN tags are illegal to possess too.
Keep posting please?
I like to take screen captures, I really do. :cheers:
Quote from: Alaskan_TA on April 03, 2018, 09:54:58 PM
The drug reference does not surprise me at all.
In some places, loose VIN tags are illegal to possess too.
Keep posting please?
I like to take screen captures, I really do. :cheers:
Sure what ya wanna know? Take screen shots all u want buddy. Go ahead and subscribe to my YouTube channel so u can watch me commit these evil crimes lol. Don't know where ur at but around here marijuana is like damn cigarette. Can smoke in front of the police station. I don't smoke myself...was all revenue 😁.
Quote from: cbrestorations on April 03, 2018, 10:03:41 PM
Quote from: Alaskan_TA on April 03, 2018, 09:54:58 PM
The drug reference does not surprise me at all.
In some places, loose VIN tags are illegal to possess too.
Keep posting please?
I like to take screen captures, I really do. :cheers:
Sure what ya wanna know? Take screen shots all u want buddy. Go ahead and subscribe to my YouTube channel so u can watch me commit these evil crimes lol. Don't know where ur at but around here marijuana is like damn cigarette. Can smoke in front of the police station. I don't smoke myself...was all revenue 😁.
Don't feed the trolls. :icon_smile_big:
I got excited when I saw that loose 70 Superbee tag and had to check the numbers on a car I had that somebody had taken the tag off (prior to me owning)
I owned a Lime light 70 Superbee with the body numbers : GO144998. It was missing the vin tag when I bought it and am still looking for the car that's wearing it
If it were me. I would use whatever repro AMD sheet metal it takes to salvage the V code car & save the other donor car also or sell to someone else to restore if O.P. didn't want two cars.
Quote from: Edelbroke on April 04, 2018, 07:03:56 AM
I got excited when I saw that loose 70 Superbee tag and had to check the numbers on a car I had that somebody had taken the tag off (prior to me owning)
I owned a Lime light 70 Superbee with the body numbers : GO144998. It was missing the vin tag when I bought it and am still looking for the car that's wearing it
So does that mean there might be two cars wearing the same VIN?? That could not happen here as all DMV stuff if done at one central office.....bit different there I guess where each state does its own thing.
Put three identical cars up for sale at the same time, a rebody, a perfectly restored to oem day one lookalike original and a low mileage survivor. I wonder what one brings the most interest?
I might get a little more excited than your average Viagara user just to see 3 side by side. I wouldn't care which one was rebodied, original or restored. They are all still just as cool to me.
Quote from: Ghoste on April 04, 2018, 07:35:38 AM
Put three identical cars up for sale at the same time, a rebody, a perfectly restored to oem day one lookalike original and a low mileage survivor. I wonder what one brings the most interest?
Ill take option 2 please!
Quote from: Ghoste on April 04, 2018, 07:35:38 AM
Put three identical cars up for sale at the same time, a rebody, a perfectly restored to oem day one lookalike original and a low mileage survivor. I wonder what one brings the most interest?
I'd take the one that meets my criteria for desirability and price, rebodied or not....
Quote from: Alaskan_TA on April 03, 2018, 01:41:57 PM
Show the same exact things to the Feds & see who learns what. ;-)
First it was go ask your local DMV/RMV, then ask the State Police, so after individuals here have shown you the process for a rebody they have done, or are in process of,( I've been doing these since the late 70's at the bodyshop when we back-halved or rebodied a vehicle for customers/Insurance companies when you were still shitting in your diapers) now you want the Feds to be notified, who's next on your list?, God?... because all you have left is the "ethics" card to play
VIN laws were written many decades ago to curtail stolen vehicle identity being altered, not the reconstruction/restoration of legally own vehicles
In case you don't stay on top of things, Dynacorn and it's licensed replacement body distributors/builders "lobbied" the FED for the upper cowl 22" width transplant (prior to that the entire cowl/firewall was required) into replacement bodies which applies to ANYONE performing this task...
Hi Everyone!
Quote from: Edelbroke on April 04, 2018, 07:03:56 AM
I got excited when I saw that loose 70 Superbee tag and had to check the numbers on a car I had that somebody had taken the tag off (prior to me owning)
I owned a Lime light 70 Superbee with the body numbers : GO144998. It was missing the vin tag when I bought it and am still looking for the car that's wearing it
Read the tag again, it's off my numbers matching '69. Tell me how you restore a dash panel to perfection if you're leaving the rust under the VIN tag to spread right back out again?? I'd like to know your secret...
If I can pick off a Chinese rebody easy...ill take the American made rebody every time
I have a few Midgets and it's interesting how practical the British are about rust.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7rufKg6qT7M
Seems like it'd save a lot of Chargers (and other cars) and a lot of money if repop body shells could legally have the VIN moved over by a certified independent professional licensed by the state and have the VIN history amended to declare this work was done for anyone that did a public search.
To be clear: I'm talking about using a new replacement shell without a VIN as a donor. Not using a 318 car as a donor.
Owners/sellers get a rust-free restoration; buyers would have easily accessed history and be able to make offers accordingly. Original, unmolested cars would still likely be more valuable.
I'm not a fan of our dumb laws which create this legal infighting, like here in this thread.
It would be over 20k for a new stamped body which comes with a made in China sticker and fitment issues all over. Ide rather take one of my solid AMERICAN made bodies out of my stash that I paid around $500-5k for and use that to rebuild an r/t. They all came down the assembly line the same shell.
What would hurt value more...saying it's a complete new Chinese body or a rebodied original charger?
And although my personal opinion is that I don't care for or want a rebody, you raise a good point about the shell. Another guy I know sums it up as the body is just that, a body. It isn't squat until they attach a tag with numbers on it so therefore it is the tag that matters and that is all.
Both opinions are right.
I would question the quality of work if I were to hear about a car that was patched together from 5 different donor cars. It is easy to hide poor prep, bad welds with poor penetration and untreated metal. Nothing beats unrusted, unwrecked original cars.
QuoteInsert Quote
I would question the quality of work if I were to hear about a car that was patched together from 5 different donor cars. It is easy to hide poor prep, bad welds with poor penetration and untreated metal. Nothing beats unrusted, unwrecked original cars.
Skip to 0:45.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ST6FQV2GBIk (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ST6FQV2GBIk)
A few minutes earlier this guy would have probably said his quarter panel welds were fine.
IMO this is a serious lurking problem in this hobby. Even a lot of respected shops turn out welds that look good and seal out rust, but don't have the strength. It's a lot easier for a restorer to hit the metal with inadequate heat and get less warping to deal with at the finishing stage.
::) Get your facts straight. The whole body is fiberglass except the roof according to the owner in one of his replies. No welds were holding that quarter panel on.
You guys are trying too hard to make things look bad.
Quote from: Lennard on April 04, 2018, 09:21:21 PM
::) Get your facts straight. The whole body is fiberglass except the roof according to the owner in one of his replies. No welds were holding that quarter panel on.
You guys are trying too hard to make things look bad.
I think he was just using that video as an exaggerated point of what bad welds could do Lennard
No. They are both talking about "bad welds with poor penetration" and "welds that look good but don't have strength."
And then he comes up with a video of a quarter panel being ripped off and says: "A few minutes earlier this guy would have probably said his quarter panel welds were fine."
That last remark wouldn't make sense if he knew that car had fiberglass quarter panels.
Agreed..even the "axle break" title looks dubious to me.slowing it down it just looks like he lost a wheel and it was just the wheel that tore all the GRP up.
That said I know of a guy that was killed when his 1980 (ish) Ford RS2000 broke in two after a relatively slow speed accident. Car was built from two halves . Even though all the original panel joints had been used the welding was not up to standard. It must be said that it was built by an amateur rather that a pro shop. Although I did not know the driver, unfortunately I did know the builder.
A properly trained licenced bodyman can half a car together with no issues what so ever. It has been going on since cars were invented and damaged. However, unless you were trained, you would not know the proper procedure, and there is a very complex procedure. Now, keep in mind, most hacks can google, google is not a proper education. Had a chance to manage a large collision shop years ago, and was keen on paying attention to frame machine technics and major collision repair, had to be able to quote out repairs without losing my shirt.
The biggest problem believe it or not was employee's, if you did not pay attention to their skills , they could write off a job with a couple stupid cuts. So, it's not always the complexity of the job, but in most cases, the quality of skill the journeyman has acquired.
True, I have seen it done. My Buddies Dad took a 68' Chevelle when we were younger that was rear ended & totaled. He found another 68' Chevelle that was in a front end collision & parted out for it's drivetrain. He replaced the doors on the project car & cut the two cars in half & spliced them together. Once done you could never even tell. In fact the car wound up in the next local Autorama. It was that nice when he was done. He still does work out of his garage/now pole barn to this day. He makes a killing too. Always makes way more per year on side money than he does at his collision job at the dealership but still works for the insurance & benny's.
I think it's the whole cost thing associated with doing a restoration properly on a rusty/too far gone rare/desireable VIN type candidate ? that elevates the discussion to viability and ethics around a simple "rebody" VIN swap approach onto a far better and cheaper example to restore and bring back.
I would expect to see more and more "rebody" desireable/rare VIN examples showing up as time moves forward, and once restored, some may be extremely difficult to tell for the average layman Buyer ?
I also believe those rare/desireable VIN type examples are the ones people should be most suspicious of rebody, due to the "more to gain" by doing it motivation.
I mean what's the profit motivation in swapping a VIN from a rusty/too far gone 318 car, onto another albeit more solid 383-2 BBL Shell Car ?
however,
if you can swap an R/T 440 VIN/Tag/and a few body stampings re-welded in on that solid 318/383 Car..... BIGGER bucks to be had !
Just say'in....
If I was a Buyer in the market acquiring a "restored" rare/desireable R/T or Hemi example etc., re-body potential should always be a far higher focus in the criterion during inspection, versus those with some survivor/semi-survivor history.
I know of just such a "restoration" on a 1969 RoadRunner completed in the 1990's, and today stands as an older "restoration", untraceable, albeit, was once a Sport satellite !
QuoteRoll Eyes Get your facts straight. The whole body is fiberglass except the roof according to the owner in one of his replies. No welds were holding that quarter panel on.
You guys are trying too hard to make things look bad.
I didn't know whether it was glass or steel in the video and I didn't really care. I was just making a point.
There are cars all over this hobby with welds not as strong as they need to be. The problem lurks because very few restored cars get crash-tested or driven very hard.
I own and operate a restoration shop and I get cars here all the time that have been "restored" and actually look pretty dang good. They come in for minor repairs and once we get into them, they are horribly done. There are getting fewer and fewer metal guys out there and more parts changers and mud guys. I have been into cars that have been done buy guys that's been in business for 30 years and are just as crappy done as a newbie.
As to the car, I'm going to salvage the firewall and as much of the floor structer as possible.
Any pictures of the car and how burnt it got?
I am in no way a numbers guy, but it's a plus for value surely. But this is the reason why it matters:
Quote from: Bdlakey on April 02, 2018, 01:26:19 PM
If it was a 318 car that burnt I wouldn't think twice about it but being the car it is, if there is anyway of keeping it a true 6 pac car
The V code is dead, the 318 car will not be a "TRUE" 6 pack. Make it a clone/replica with 318 numbers. Why move the numbers at all if it does not matter.
:horse:
Dead horses still have value. :icon_smile_big:
A boy named Chuck moved to Montana and bought a horse from a farmer for $100. The farmer agreed to deliver the horse the next day. The next day he drove up and said, 'Sorry, son, but I have some bad news. The horse died.' Chuck replied, 'Well, then just give me my money back.' The farmer said, 'Can't do that. I went and spent it already.' Chuck said, 'OK, then just bring me the dead horse.'
The farmer asked, 'What are you going to do with him?' Chuck said, 'I'm going to raffle him off.' The farmer said, 'You can't raffle off a dead horse!' Chuck said, 'Sure I can. Watch me. I just won't tell anybody he's dead.' A month later, the farmer met up with Chuck and asked, 'What happened with that dead horse?' Chuck said, 'I raffled him off. I sold 500 tickets at two dollars a piece and made a net profit of $898.'The farmer said, 'Didn't anyone complain?' Chuck said, 'Just the guy who won. So I gave him his money back.'
There is no need to rebody the car. Other than some inner roof structure pieces,every other part of the car can be bought from Auto Metal Direct. Cutoff everything that is damaged,and reconstruct it with some donor roof structure pieces and new metal. Just Check out the thread on Ted Stevens Daytona in the Aero car section on here.
The car was under another car on a lift. When the collection burnt the upper car fell on the 70. I'm not reboding, I'm using the firewall and floor so the numbers arnt getting moved. No difference in buying a completely rusted out car and putting China metal on it 😂😂😂
Quote from: chargervert on April 05, 2018, 07:40:50 PM
There is no need to rebody the car. Other than some inner roof structure pieces,every other part of the car can be bought from Auto Metal Direct. Cutoff everything that is damaged,and reconstruct it with some donor roof structure pieces and new metal. Just Check out the thread on Ted Stevens Daytona in the Aero car section on here.
Easy to say when ur not the one flipping the bill for $10k in metal plus the hundreds of hrs on tear down, fitting and welding.
I have seen many members go to great lengths to save a Charger. I from the mindset that I would rather see a Charger saved than scrapped and gone forever. The market will determine the cars value should you decide to sell it when it is done.
I am footing the bill because it's my car and I have a restoration shop. Absolutely worth every penny and hour to save it. They will never make anymore of these cars. If I had to pay a shop to have it done, I would not see the money versus buying a finished car.
Quote from: cbrestorations on April 05, 2018, 07:59:03 PM
Quote from: chargervert on April 05, 2018, 07:40:50 PM
There is no need to rebody the car. Other than some inner roof structure pieces,every other part of the car can be bought from Auto Metal Direct. Cutoff everything that is damaged,and reconstruct it with some donor roof structure pieces and new metal. Just Check out the thread on Ted Stevens Daytona in the Aero car section on here.
Easy to say when ur not the one flipping the bill for $10k in metal plus the hundreds of hrs on tear down, fitting and welding.
I have flipped the bill more than a dozen times rebuilding Chargers over the last 30 years,cutting fitting and welding,body working and painting too.
Quote from: Bdlakey on April 05, 2018, 07:52:43 PM
No difference in buying a completely rusted out car and putting China metal on it 😂😂😂
You are 100% correct, they are no different and also worth less than an original imo.
Quote from: BIGBLCK11 on April 05, 2018, 08:16:17 PM
Quote from: Bdlakey on April 05, 2018, 07:52:43 PM
No difference in buying a completely rusted out car and putting China metal on it 😂😂😂
You are 100% correct, they are no different and also worth less than an original imo.
Again... who gives two sh!ts that the car is going to be worth less than an original? Not every Charger owner is in it for the money and/or a greedy d!ck.
An original sheetmetal car that has never had rust repair is always top of the food chain when it comes to Chargers. The next best thing is a solid car with minimal rust repair needed. But this is not usually the case with second gen Chargers,most need extensive rust repair. Fortunately the parts are available to save almost any charger. When they were not available,good used or NOS parts were the only way to build these cars. I have paid the long buck for NOS Charger sheetmetal,and believe me when I tell you ten grand dosen't go far buying NOS parts.
Quote from: Lennard on April 05, 2018, 08:24:11 PM
Again... who gives two sh!ts that the car is going to be worth less than an original? Not every Charger owner is in it for the money and/or a greedy d!ck.
Apparently, per the subject, the OP does care. Re-body correlates to value in this case. I could care less what it's worth. I am saying, build the clean 318 and drive it. Don't even hassle with just a cowl. Why else is the v code in question other than value? To "claim" this car is an original six pack car to others? It will be a tiny fraction of it and that is all. If that's what he wants to have, great for him. I wish they were all worth about 3k. I am not in it for the money.
Or maybe he just wants to save a rare car. I believe that only 337 automatic and 339 4 speed 70 V code Charger R/Ts were built in 1970. I have a white automatic 70 V code Charger R/T. It sounds like he has the shop,skills,and means to do so.
after 5 pages of comments I'm ready for a picture of this car
Quote from: chargervert on April 05, 2018, 09:16:56 PM
Or maybe he just wants to save a rare car. I believe that only 337 automatic and 339 4 speed 70 V code Charger R/Ts were built in 1970. I have a white automatic 70 V code Charger R/T. It sounds like he has the shop,skills,and means to do so.
Yep, saving the VIN, partial firewall and some floor. Call it what you want.
I was in the exact situation, a rusted out 69 Charger R/T and I had a very solid 69 base model. I removed all the parts off the R/T and built the Base charger, I did not change the VIN's. I removed the engine, trans, rear end, complete interior, grill, all glass etc from the R/T, so I guess you could say my car is a re-body from a R/T to a XP car, depends how you look at it. But nobody cars if you are going the other way. The thing is I left the R/T for dead, not much left really, but someone bought it and now its back on the road.
Quote from: chargervert on April 05, 2018, 09:16:56 PM
Or maybe he just wants to save a rare car. I believe that only 337 automatic and 339 4 speed 70 V code Charger R/Ts were built in 1970. I have a white automatic 70 V code Charger R/T. It sounds like he has the shop,skills,and means to do so.
That's the whole point....HE'S NOT SAVING IT.....he's building another one that looks like it with the same VIN. Its a copy, a clone even a forgery if you want...call it what you will. What it will never be is that original car saved!
According to the OP,he is not moving the VIN to another body,AKA a rebody,but he is reconstructing the car using the original firewall and floorpans etc. The debate goes on about how much of the original car is needed to consider the car a reconstruction. Look at the V code 71 Cuda on Graveyard Carz,or the 71 Hemicuda convertible that was built from just a cowl. Or the Ted Stevens Daytona,or the barrel Cuda. Some of these cars have sold for serious money. The 71 Hemicuda convertible sold for 1.3 million dollars not long ago. The market will determine what these reconstructed cars are worth,and that is what someone is willing to pay for them.
How much is the unanswerable question.
Quote from: alfaitalia on April 06, 2018, 03:18:53 AM
Quote from: chargervert on April 05, 2018, 09:16:56 PM
Or maybe he just wants to save a rare car. I believe that only 337 automatic and 339 4 speed 70 V code Charger R/Ts were built in 1970. I have a white automatic 70 V code Charger R/T. It sounds like he has the shop,skills,and means to do so.
That's the whole point....HE'S NOT SAVING IT.....he's building another one that looks like it with the same VIN. Its a copy, a clone even a forgery if you want...call it what you will. What it will never be is that original car saved!
But you can't prove it's not When done right 😁
Quote from: chargervert on April 06, 2018, 06:05:42 AM
According to the OP,he is not moving the VIN to another body,AKA a rebody,but he is reconstructing the car using the original firewall and floorpans etc. The debate goes on about how much of the original car is needed to consider the car a reconstruction. Look at the V code 71 Cuda on Graveyard Carz,or the 71 Hemicuda convertible that was built from just a cowl. Or the Ted Stevens Daytona,or the barrel Cuda. Some of these cars have sold for serious money. The 71 Hemicuda convertible sold for 1.3 million dollars not long ago. The market will determine what these reconstructed cars are worth,and that is what someone is willing to pay for them.
Yes things are worth lots with good numbers on the VIN and fender tag
But the better question is would any of these fancy cars sold for lots more if they were 100% original from factory never pieced together ??
And if they are worth more how many years and how many owners later do some of the past details get forgotten on the pieced together cars ????
...and that's the problem......someone buying it thinking its got most of the original body...rather than a glorified kit car!.....and then thinking they have the real deal. I regardless of what's been said about values of the recreated cars, they will never be worth anything like the same value to me....but that's just me. If I buy something old id like it to actually be old!! Luckily I cant really get panels here...takes too long ....cost too much so mine it pretty much original....just with a lot of patches...lol! But it does not matter as it was a 318...isn't now and is so modded that its really a car that's based on a Charger body...I'm never going to convince anyone its anything else...lol! Wont be worth much to anyone...except me!
Quote from: birdsandbees on April 02, 2018, 04:28:27 PM
Why's everyone giving this lad such grief, while everyone watches chop cut rebuild as they build a car from Ted's VIN tag.. :yesnod: :icon_smile_big:
Most valuable post award right here lol.
The stephens daytona has what one inner rocker and part of the inner roof structure? Rest is dead.
Hats off to the other show was it graveyard cars ? that declined to touch the ravine daytona thats been posted on here. Which is probably noworse than the chop cut rebuild tona.
You can be sure he's getting his share of "grief" too. There's no inconsistency here.
Quote from: CRW-FK5 on April 06, 2018, 12:26:07 PM
You can be sure he's getting his share of "grief" too. There's no consistency here.
FTFY.
in my opinion its parts to fix a car. period.
Quote from: 70 sublime on April 06, 2018, 08:45:25 AM
Quote from: chargervert on April 06, 2018, 06:05:42 AM
According to the OP,he is not moving the VIN to another body,AKA a rebody,but he is reconstructing the car using the original firewall and floorpans etc. The debate goes on about how much of the original car is needed to consider the car a reconstruction. Look at the V code 71 Cuda on Graveyard Carz,or the 71 Hemicuda convertible that was built from just a cowl. Or the Ted Stevens Daytona,or the barrel Cuda. Some of these cars have sold for serious money. The 71 Hemicuda convertible sold for 1.3 million dollars not long ago. The market will determine what these reconstructed cars are worth,and that is what someone is willing to pay for them.
Yes things are worth lots with good numbers on the VIN and fender tag
But the better question is would any of these fancy cars sold for lots more if they were 100% original from factory never pieced together ??
And if they are worth more how many years and how many owners later do some of the past details get forgotten on the pieced together cars ????
Having heard what Graveyard carz charges for a restoration,I would say that the owner would have been way ahead of the game buying a done original 71 v code Cuda verses saving the destroyed carcus of the 71 V code Cuda that he paid the bill to save. Sometimes its more about the challenge than the value!
Quote from: chargervert on April 06, 2018, 03:34:54 PM
Quote from: 70 sublime on April 06, 2018, 08:45:25 AM
Quote from: chargervert on April 06, 2018, 06:05:42 AM
According to the OP,he is not moving the VIN to another body,AKA a rebody,but he is reconstructing the car using the original firewall and floorpans etc. The debate goes on about how much of the original car is needed to consider the car a reconstruction. Look at the V code 71 Cuda on Graveyard Carz,or the 71 Hemicuda convertible that was built from just a cowl. Or the Ted Stevens Daytona,or the barrel Cuda. Some of these cars have sold for serious money. The 71 Hemicuda convertible sold for 1.3 million dollars not long ago. The market will determine what these reconstructed cars are worth,and that is what someone is willing to pay for them.
Yes things are worth lots with good numbers on the VIN and fender tag
But the better question is would any of these fancy cars sold for lots more if they were 100% original from factory never pieced together ??
And if they are worth more how many years and how many owners later do some of the past details get forgotten on the pieced together cars ????
Having heard what Graveyard carz charges for a restoration,I would say that the owner would have been way ahead of the game buying a done original 71 v code Cuda verses saving the destroyed carcus of the 71 V code Cuda that he paid the bill to save. Sometimes its more about the challenge than the value!
and that car is now just a rebody
Quote from: charger_fan_4ever on April 06, 2018, 10:37:15 AM
Hats off to the other show was it graveyard cars ? that declined to touch the ravine daytona thats been posted on here. Which is probably noworse than the chop cut rebuild tona.
The "ravine" Tona' was a joke at best, not even a slice of toast from the fragments left, that would have been just a blatant VIN swap (envelope car),
....at least with a rebody, it will utilize 2 or more vehicles in it's reconstruction...
FWIW, the GYC Cuda had pretty much nothing left to start with after it's blown out carcass was stripped, 2 rockers (barely) and an internal roof brace, and a VIN tag...the "rest" of the pieces in the pic of it on the jig is donor rails, braces, A pillars, etc before all AMD's repro metal was added... then walla!...a Chinese rebody appears at GYC's shop and the viewers rejoice over another great accomplishment that "only a few can do".... :icon_smile_big:
Personally I have ZERO issues with a Chinese rebody or in this case basically a replacement body, I just love Wormans ass kissing and blind eye alignment to be part of the anti-rebody crowd...
What is "Walla"?
Quote from: Kern Dog on April 06, 2018, 08:18:00 PM
What is "Walla"?
magic.................. https://youtu.be/fxrVOB9XgpY
Quote from: Kern Dog on April 06, 2018, 08:18:00 PM
What is "Walla"?
Redneck way of saying voila.
http://www.dictionary.com/browse/voila
Quote from: Kern Dog on April 06, 2018, 08:18:00 PM
What is "Walla"?
Make it two of them, Walla Walla, and it's a town about half an hour away from me :icon_smile_big:
Quote from: 69CoronetRT on April 06, 2018, 09:54:30 PM
Quote from: Kern Dog on April 06, 2018, 08:18:00 PM
What is "Walla"?
Redneck way of saying voila.
http://www.dictionary.com/browse/voila
Okay. Thank you. :2thumbs:
The question of rebody has become less about whether a dead car is brought back, and more about whether it's the intact corpse of another 318 car.
If that was the intent,he would be doing it in a dark garage,not discussing it on a Charger website! I would like to see the restoration/resurection of this car. I hope he does a build thread on it.
Quote from: DAY CLONA on April 06, 2018, 08:12:49 PM
Quote from: charger_fan_4ever on April 06, 2018, 10:37:15 AM
Hats off to the other show was it graveyard cars ? that declined to touch the ravine daytona thats been posted on here. Which is probably noworse than the chop cut rebuild tona.
The "ravine" Tona' was a joke at best, not even a slice of toast from the fragments left, that would have been just a blatant VIN swap (envelope car),
....at least with a rebody, it will utilize 2 or more vehicles in it's reconstruction...
FWIW, the GYC Cuda had pretty much nothing left to start with after it's blown out carcass was stripped, 2 rockers (barely) and an internal roof brace, and a VIN tag...the "rest" of the pieces in the pic of it on the jig is donor rails, braces, A pillars, etc before all AMD's repro metal was added... then walla!...a Chinese rebody appears at GYC's shop and the viewers rejoice over another great accomplishment that "only a few can do".... :icon_smile_big:
Personally I have ZERO issues with a Chinese rebody or in this case basically a replacement body, I just love Wormans ass kissing and blind eye alignment to be part of the anti-rebody crowd...
thats awesome , he's such a fake and a fraud , go back and watch the first few GYC shows where he talks so much hate on Aftermarket parts and how he is going to save all the body panels on that car . Watch it now and he uses everything aftermarket .
Quote from: moparstuart on April 07, 2018, 11:21:17 AM
thats awesome , he's such a fake and a fraud , go back and watch the first few GYC shows where he talks so much hate on Aftermarket parts and how he is going to save all the body panels on that car . Watch it now and he uses everything aftermarket .
Given by every aftermarket parts company in trade for mentioning and/or showing their name on TV.
Quote from: BIGBLCK11 on April 05, 2018, 09:46:17 PM
Quote from: chargervert on April 05, 2018, 09:16:56 PM
Or maybe he just wants to save a rare car. I believe that only 337 automatic and 339 4 speed 70 V code Charger R/Ts were built in 1970. I have a white automatic 70 V code Charger R/T. It sounds like he has the shop,skills,and means to do so.
Yep, saving the VIN, partial firewall and some floor. Call it what you want.
Basically almost anything restored nowadays, unless it's rust and collision free, ends up being a "rebody" one way or another, you have guys completely dissecting a nice donor/parts car piece by piece, only to reassemble the whole thing later on the stripped rotted carcass of their "numbers matching, 1 of 1, super rare " vehicle ....
Then there's the guy buying used sheetmetal or repro patch panels "frankensteining" his vehicle patch by patch by sliver in order to "keep as much original sheetmetal" as possible....
Then there's the guy that buys $5-$10K worth of NOS/used/repro panels only to replace 50-80% of vehicle while still thinking he's keeping the same car, esp the nut cases that want only original or NOS sheetmetal on it in order to convince themselves it's still "factory original"
Then there's the rebody guy, he wants to avoid buying 20+ lbs of mig wire, endless days/months/years in some cases slicing/dicing/grafting/fitting/welding/more grinding/more metal finishing, with paint and body many miles down the road, the money spent on repro/used/NOS panels buys a nice /6, 318 base model, hopefully a southern/west coast rust free roller.... this way it's just disassembly, make any modifications needed, assemble to spec using whats left over from the subject vehicle or vehicles, body prep, paint, on your way to final assembly while the other guys are still slicing/dicing/grafting/grinding/welding/grinding and still spending more time, something you don't get back in any way shape or form...
Then you have the question of the vehicles physical fitness/road worthiness/safety when amateur welders/body men start tackling projects beyond their skill sets, the "rebody guy" hopefully has refurbished his vehicle on a sound rust free roller factory body, thus having that all too important and desired factory welds and assembly fit and finish that all the chop/cut/weld/rebuilders so desire in their finished product.
...eventually like the other marques that have long accepted rebodies/restamping/etc/etc early on in the hobby, Mopar owners/enthusiast always being late to the game will one day look back on all this petty rebody banter and laugh.... it will require some aging and time for the so called hobby "purist" to eventually realize that all this dedication to "originality" and doing the "right thing" was just trivial at best...
Quote from: moparstuart on April 07, 2018, 11:21:17 AM
Quote from: DAY CLONA on April 06, 2018, 08:12:49 PM
Quote from: charger_fan_4ever on April 06, 2018, 10:37:15 AM
Hats off to the other show was it graveyard cars ? that declined to touch the ravine daytona thats been posted on here. Which is probably noworse than the chop cut rebuild tona.
The "ravine" Tona' was a joke at best, not even a slice of toast from the fragments left, that would have been just a blatant VIN swap (envelope car),
....at least with a rebody, it will utilize 2 or more vehicles in it's reconstruction...
FWIW, the GYC Cuda had pretty much nothing left to start with after it's blown out carcass was stripped, 2 rockers (barely) and an internal roof brace, and a VIN tag...the "rest" of the pieces in the pic of it on the jig is donor rails, braces, A pillars, etc before all AMD's repro metal was added... then walla!...a Chinese rebody appears at GYC's shop and the viewers rejoice over another great accomplishment that "only a few can do".... :icon_smile_big:
Personally I have ZERO issues with a Chinese rebody or in this case basically a replacement body, I just love Wormans ass kissing and blind eye alignment to be part of the anti-rebody crowd...
thats awesome , he's such a fake and a fraud , go back and watch the first few GYC shows where he talks so much hate on Aftermarket parts and how he is going to save all the body panels on that car . Watch it now and he uses everything aftermarket .
I remember a few years back when Worman was "promoting" his worthiness as a master of his art as well as his "show", boasted by his claim of "of what only a few can do", and his ability to "save" every piece of sheetmetal on that car, I called it as I saw it back then, it was going to eventually become a complete rebody, Worman had just started to troll Moparts.com at the time I made that statement, another Moparts member (also vendor) who was humping Worman's leg for attention decried my post and passively/aggressively attacked my work/abilities as below par to Wormans super human abilities to resurrect sheetmetal, ...I had to laugh as I saw amateurish attempts by Worman to attempt resurrection of various panels from that twisted pig.
I have no issue with the car being a replacement body, just Worman's inability to admit to it needing and beoming a rebody for the sake of offending a few "purist"
Quote from: DAY CLONA on April 07, 2018, 11:37:57 AM
Quote from: BIGBLCK11 on April 05, 2018, 09:46:17 PM
Quote from: chargervert on April 05, 2018, 09:16:56 PM
Or maybe he just wants to save a rare car. I believe that only 337 automatic and 339 4 speed 70 V code Charger R/Ts were built in 1970. I have a white automatic 70 V code Charger R/T. It sounds like he has the shop,skills,and means to do so.
Yep, saving the VIN, partial firewall and some floor. Call it what you want.
Basically almost anything restored nowadays, unless it's rust and collision free, ends up being a "rebody" one way or another, you have guys completely dissecting a nice donor/parts car piece by piece, only to reassemble the whole thing later on the stripped rotted carcass of their "numbers matching, 1 of 1, super rare " vehicle ....
Then there's the guy buying used sheetmetal or repro patch panels "frankensteining" his vehicle patch by patch by sliver in order to "keep as much original sheetmetal" as possible....
Then there's the guy that buys $5-$10K worth of NOS/used/repro panels only to replace 50-80% of vehicle while still thinking he's keeping the same car, esp the nut cases that want only original or NOS sheetmetal on it in order to convince themselves it's still "factory original"
Then there's the rebody guy, he wants to avoid buying 20+ lbs of mig wire, endless days/months/years in some cases slicing/dicing/grafting/fitting/welding/more grinding/more metal finishing, with paint and body many miles down the road, the money spent on repro/used/NOS panels buys a nice /6, 318 base model, hopefully a southern/west coast rust free roller.... this way it's just disassembly, make any modifications needed, assemble to spec using whats left over from the subject vehicle or vehicles, body prep, paint, on your way to final assembly while the other guys are still slicing/dicing/grafting/grinding/welding/grinding and still spending more time, something you don't get back in any way shape or form...
Then you have the question of the vehicles physical fitness/road worthiness/safety when amateur welders/body men start tackling projects beyond their skill sets, the "rebody guy" hopefully has refurbished his vehicle on a sound rust free roller factory body, thus having that all too important and desired factory welds and assembly fit and finish that all the chop/cut/weld/rebuilders so desire in their finished product.
...eventually like the other marques that have long accepted rebodies/restamping/etc/etc early on in the hobby, Mopar owners/enthusiast always being late to the game will one day look back on all this petty rebody banter and laugh.... it will require some aging and time for the so called hobby "purist" to eventually realize that all this dedication to "originality" and doing the "right thing" was just trivial at best...
Well said :2thumbs:
And here would be just another example of the "motivations" these days to restore or re-body or whatever a guy wants to call it ?
Okie-Dokie then.... $129,000 for a 1968 R/T 440-4 BBL/Auto example.
https://inventory.vanguardmotorsales.com/vehicles/2949/1968-dodge-charger
Quote from: Challenger340 on April 08, 2018, 10:38:05 AM
Okie-Dokie then.... $129,000 for a 1968 R/T 440-4 BBL/Auto example.
https://inventory.vanguardmotorsales.com/vehicles/2949/1968-dodge-charger
Yep your typical BS hype video with cheesy heavy metal music and a guy who doesn't know squat about this Charger. Just typical Blah Blah Blah.
"Dome light unusual to be working for the Mopar guys" WTF :smilielol:
"440, it doesn't get any better than this" How about a 426 Hemi JACKA$$
What a joke, "All numbers matching", but yet the trans has a 1969 VIN on it, they probably don't even know where to find the VIN on the engine, and that a build sheet is needed to prove matching body numbers.
Is Vanguard just a high end HLPAG perhaps?
(Not mine) but it kinda fits in here being that vin tag and body could've started out on different bodies... Race car rivets!
https://chicago.craigslist.org/nwi/cto/d/1969-plymouth-road-runner/6533367197.html
David Wise says that 80% of the cars the MMCI group look at have incorrect dash rivets, which seems abnormally high but it still points to a lot of removed dash tags.
Quote from: DAY CLONA on April 06, 2018, 08:12:49 PM
Quote from: charger_fan_4ever on April 06, 2018, 10:37:15 AM
Hats off to the other show was it graveyard cars ? that declined to touch the ravine daytona thats been posted on here. Which is probably noworse than the chop cut rebuild tona.
The "ravine" Tona' was a joke at best, not even a slice of toast from the fragments left, that would have been just a blatant VIN swap (envelope car),
....at least with a rebody, it will utilize 2 or more vehicles in it's reconstruction...
FWIW, the GYC Cuda had pretty much nothing left to start with after it's blown out carcass was stripped, 2 rockers (barely) and an internal roof brace, and a VIN tag...the "rest" of the pieces in the pic of it on the jig is donor rails, braces, A pillars, etc before all AMD's repro metal was added... then walla!...a Chinese rebody appears at GYC's shop and the viewers rejoice over another great accomplishment that "only a few can do".... :icon_smile_big:
Personally I have ZERO issues with a Chinese rebody or in this case basically a replacement body, I just love Wormans ass kissing and blind eye alignment to be part of the anti-rebody crowd...
Ah ha
Didnt know GYC was the ones that did the cuda. Thought it was chop rebuild also.
So basically took a bunch of heat over the cuda and didnt want to repeat the same thing with the ravine tona.
Gyc sent it to the amd installation center. Basically amd brought it back to life not gyc
Quote from: Charger-Bodie on April 16, 2018, 04:28:08 PM
Gyc sent it to the amd installation center. Basically amd brought it back to life not gyc
There wasn't anything left to resurrect, the Cuda yielded a handful (literately) of items to the replacement body, probably less than 5% of the original car, basically generic E body parts, just enough in Worman's eyes to "justify" the VIN swap
Quote from: DAY CLONA on April 16, 2018, 05:11:46 PM
Quote from: Charger-Bodie on April 16, 2018, 04:28:08 PM
Gyc sent it to the amd installation center. Basically amd brought it back to life not gyc
There wasn't anything left to resurrect, the Cuda yielded a handful (literately) of items to the replacement body, probably less than 5% of the original car, basically generic E body parts, just enough in Worman's eyes to "justify" the VIN swap
Ever notice that when some cable show rebodies/VIN swaps onto a replacement body or donor vehicle, or a big name collector rebodies a vehicle. it all fine and dandy and the crowd applauds the effort, but the average smo does it in his garage and he's "breakin the law" :scratchchin: :icon_smile_big:
And he built a whole show around the fact that it wasn't going to be rebodied. Then poof it's rebodied and most are fine with it.
Personally, I am a little more put off when a big shop does it than the average guy.
Quote from: Charger-Bodie on April 16, 2018, 05:20:43 PM
And he built a whole show around the fact that it wasn't going to be rebodied. Then poof it's rebodied and most are fine with it.
His shop didn't even reconstruct the car,AMDs shop did! His claim to fame is that he saved this car that no one else could! Total BS!
Quote from: chargervert on April 17, 2018, 11:19:50 AM
Quote from: Charger-Bodie on April 16, 2018, 05:20:43 PM
And he built a whole show around the fact that it wasn't going to be rebodied. Then poof it's rebodied and most are fine with it.
His shop didn't even reconstruct the car,AMDs shop did! His claim to fame is that he saved this car that no one else could! Total BS!
Exactly!
If you have ever seen the thread on the f6 green Daytona Charger that was rolled over,the guy who did the metal work on that car was a true craftsman. My friend Tom from New Jersey used to bring the wrecked Daytona to most of the Mopar shows. He sold the car to a gentleman from Australia. The guy who restored the car, straightened all of the wrinkled metal,other than the nose and nosecone, he saved all the original metal, and the car came out amazing!
Quote from: Charger-Bodie on April 17, 2018, 12:13:55 PM
Quote from: chargervert on April 17, 2018, 11:19:50 AM
Quote from: Charger-Bodie on April 16, 2018, 05:20:43 PM
And he built a whole show around the fact that it wasn't going to be rebodied. Then poof it's rebodied and most are fine with it.
His shop didn't even reconstruct the car,AMDs shop did! His claim to fame is that he saved this car that no one else could! Total BS!
Exactly!
We all know you love him :nana:
Quote from: chargervert on April 17, 2018, 12:58:10 PM
If you have ever seen the thread on the f6 green Daytona Charger that was rolled over,the guy who did the metal work on that car was a true craftsman. My friend Tom from New Jersey used to bring the wrecked Daytona to most of the Mopar shows. He sold the car to a gentleman from Australia. The guy who restored the car, straightened all of the wrinkled metal,other than the nose and nosecone, he saved all the original metal, and the car came out amazing!
True dat , That guy is a true craftsman and a Master of Metal . Car came out amazing and retains its original metal because of him .
Quote from: moparstuart on April 07, 2018, 11:21:17 AM
Quote from: DAY CLONA on April 06, 2018, 08:12:49 PM
Quote from: charger_fan_4ever on April 06, 2018, 10:37:15 AM
Hats off to the other show was it graveyard cars ? that declined to touch the ravine daytona thats been posted on here. Which is probably noworse than the chop cut rebuild tona.
The "ravine" Tona' was a joke at best, not even a slice of toast from the fragments left, that would have been just a blatant VIN swap (envelope car),
....at least with a rebody, it will utilize 2 or more vehicles in it's reconstruction...
FWIW, the GYC Cuda had pretty much nothing left to start with after it's blown out carcass was stripped, 2 rockers (barely) and an internal roof brace, and a VIN tag...the "rest" of the pieces in the pic of it on the jig is donor rails, braces, A pillars, etc before all AMD's repro metal was added... then walla!...a Chinese rebody appears at GYC's shop and the viewers rejoice over another great accomplishment that "only a few can do".... :icon_smile_big:
Personally I have ZERO issues with a Chinese rebody or in this case basically a replacement body, I just love Wormans ass kissing and blind eye alignment to be part of the anti-rebody crowd...
thats awesome , he's such a fake and a fraud , go back and watch the first few GYC shows where he talks so much hate on Aftermarket parts and how he is going to save all the body panels on that car . Watch it now and he uses everything aftermarket .
The only thing that is a joke is that people like to still talk sh!t about my car, yet can't make a reproduction Daytona trunk hinge that's with two sh!ts :2thumbs:. Just an FYI mark Wanted 60k to restore the body on the ravine Daytona. I know this because I'm the one who owns the car and brought it to gyc so mark could look at it. I didn't have the money to do it and told mark it would take me 2 years to come up with that kind of cash. A few months later he started his bs about it not being restorable. It will still be restored once my divorce is over with.
An interesting addition to the story for sure, always good t hear the other side.
Quote from: Nwcharger on April 18, 2018, 10:41:04 PM
Quote from: moparstuart on April 07, 2018, 11:21:17 AM
Quote from: DAY CLONA on April 06, 2018, 08:12:49 PM
Quote from: charger_fan_4ever on April 06, 2018, 10:37:15 AM
Hats off to the other show was it graveyard cars ? that declined to touch the ravine daytona thats been posted on here. Which is probably noworse than the chop cut rebuild tona.
The "ravine" Tona' was a joke at best, not even a slice of toast from the fragments left, that would have been just a blatant VIN swap (envelope car),
....at least with a rebody, it will utilize 2 or more vehicles in it's reconstruction...
FWIW, the GYC Cuda had pretty much nothing left to start with after it's blown out carcass was stripped, 2 rockers (barely) and an internal roof brace, and a VIN tag...the "rest" of the pieces in the pic of it on the jig is donor rails, braces, A pillars, etc before all AMD's repro metal was added... then walla!...a Chinese rebody appears at GYC's shop and the viewers rejoice over another great accomplishment that "only a few can do".... :icon_smile_big:
Personally I have ZERO issues with a Chinese rebody or in this case basically a replacement body, I just love Wormans ass kissing and blind eye alignment to be part of the anti-rebody crowd...
thats awesome , he's such a fake and a fraud , go back and watch the first few GYC shows where he talks so much hate on Aftermarket parts and how he is going to save all the body panels on that car . Watch it now and he uses everything aftermarket .
The only thing that is a joke is that people like to still talk sh!t about my car, yet can't make a reproduction Daytona trunk hinge that's with two sh!ts :2thumbs:. Just an FYI mark Wanted 60k to restore the body on the ravine Daytona. I know this because I'm the one who owns the car and brought it to gyc so mark could look at it. I didn't have the money to do it and told mark it would take me 2 years to come up with that kind of cash. A few months later he started his bs about it not being restorable. It will still be restored once my divorce is over with.
If you would have had full pockets the story would likely be different.
Only a handful of people in the world can have someone rebody a car car on tv and still believe the audience is stupid enough to believe He saved it from that very fate.
It seems that he can only make himself do that for a pile of money though.
Personally, my opinion on cars like the ones being discussed in this thread, need a new way to define them. While they are just about a complete rebody, they are not putting the numbers on another body. They could be considered extreme reconstructed cars. If you really care about these cars then you would not want to see another original Daytona dissappear from the face of the earth forever. I would rather see a car like Ted Stevens Daytona or the ravine Daytona still exist, verses rotting away in a junkyard or at the bottom of a ravine. I think it is a good thing that these cars are being reconstructed verses perishing for ever. They only built 503 of them,there will never be anymore. The people who are willing to go to great lengths to save these cars have my appreciation for the massive amount of work and money they put in to doing so. I know some people who have prime original examples frown on cars like these being extremely reconstructed, mostly because they believe that if there are less of them left their original examples will be worth more money. As far as wingcars are concerned they have already far exceeded what I ever thought they would be worth. Most enthusiasts are already priced out of the wingcar market. The people who are doing these extreme reconstructed cars are doing it openly, so I believe that the market will determine their, and place in the hobby /market place. Anyone who puchases any wingcar and does not do their homework to see that the car is a survivor, has undergone a restoration, or has had an extreme reconstruction will pay the price for not doing so. The wingcars are probably the most documented Mopars, by the enthusiasts then just about any other Mopar period. I think these extreme reconstructed cars have a place in the hobby, it just needs to be defined. The fact that they car and are being saved, and there are parts available to do so is amazing. As the cars get restored the cars that are yet to be restored are worse in condition. The fact that just a few years ago they were deemed unsalvageable,and are being salvaged is a good thing in my opinion.
"The people who are willing to go to great lengths to save these cars"
That's the whole point. They are NOT SAVING THEM....they are building a near new car that looks like it with the same numbers!! Its not a saved car....its a copy (I prefer forgery!) of the original car.
They may be a copy, but the term re body really don't fit. As more and more cars get restored, what is left to pick from is getting worse, cars that would not have been reconstructed are now being reconstructed. It is what it is! That is reality. The point of this thread is to determine what their place is in the hobby. Cars like Ted Stevens Daytona, or the XP Hemi,or the Phantom Cuda exist they can be viewed,and driven,so like it or not they are here! When a 71 Hemi Cuda convertible that was built from a cowl,is bought by Craig Jackson, and resold for 1.3 million dollars, they are here,they exist, and have some value.
Chargervert, I would just agree to disagree with alfaitalia if I were you because you'll be debating this with him for the next 5 pages.
I hear you, everyone is entitled to their own opinion. But the fact is that more and more of these reconstructed Mopars are showing up on the scene. The aftermarket has made it possible to reconstruct almost any car. My current 70 Charger Daytona stock car project is very liberating, it is not a part of racing history, it is not one of the original 503 Daytona's it is not a collectible vehicle, so I have complete freedom to take the car and build it anyway I choose to do so. No one is putting it in their registries or database, and nobody cares what it is worth!
Quote from: Nwcharger on April 18, 2018, 10:41:04 PM
Quote from: moparstuart on April 07, 2018, 11:21:17 AM
Quote from: DAY CLONA on April 06, 2018, 08:12:49 PM
Quote from: charger_fan_4ever on April 06, 2018, 10:37:15 AM
Hats off to the other show was it graveyard cars ? that declined to touch the ravine daytona thats been posted on here. Which is probably noworse than the chop cut rebuild tona.
The "ravine" Tona' was a joke at best, not even a slice of toast from the fragments left, that would have been just a blatant VIN swap (envelope car),
....at least with a rebody, it will utilize 2 or more vehicles in it's reconstruction...
FWIW, the GYC Cuda had pretty much nothing left to start with after it's blown out carcass was stripped, 2 rockers (barely) and an internal roof brace, and a VIN tag...the "rest" of the pieces in the pic of it on the jig is donor rails, braces, A pillars, etc before all AMD's repro metal was added... then walla!...a Chinese rebody appears at GYC's shop and the viewers rejoice over another great accomplishment that "only a few can do".... :icon_smile_big:
Personally I have ZERO issues with a Chinese rebody or in this case basically a replacement body, I just love Wormans ass kissing and blind eye alignment to be part of the anti-rebody crowd...
thats awesome , he's such a fake and a fraud , go back and watch the first few GYC shows where he talks so much hate on Aftermarket parts and how he is going to save all the body panels on that car . Watch it now and he uses everything aftermarket .
The only thing that is a joke is that people like to still talk sh!t about my car, yet can't make a reproduction Daytona trunk hinge that's with two sh!ts :2thumbs:. Just an FYI mark Wanted 60k to restore the body on the ravine Daytona. I know this because I'm the one who owns the car and brought it to gyc so mark could look at it. I didn't have the money to do it and told mark it would take me 2 years to come up with that kind of cash. A few months later he started his bs about it not being restorable. It will still be restored once my divorce is over with.
60k painted out the door ? or just to do the shell ? i assume just the shell ???
Interesting how was portrayed he just saw pics that were sent. Forgot to mention it was at the shop.......
Quote from: chargervert on April 20, 2018, 10:35:30 AM
I hear you, everyone is entitled to their own opinion. But the fact is that more and more of these reconstructed Mopars are showing up on the scene. The aftermarket has made it possible to reconstruct almost any car. My current 70 Charger Daytona stock car project is very liberating, it is not a part of racing history, it is not one of the original 503 Daytona's it is not a collectible vehicle, so I have complete freedom to take the car and build it anyway I choose to do so. No one is putting it in their registries or database, and nobody cares what it is worth!
Good post. I'm in a similar position. My car has no numbers at all, no fender tag or build sheet.....so I could not do a factory type resto even if I wanted. All I know is that is came with a disassembled (and now gone) 318...and even that was not the original! My current engine (still not complete) is erm..somewhat larger than that! It looks to have all the original panels apart from my patches...which I like. That fact enables me to register is as a 69 and and have an age related number plate.....a plate ending in G in the UK. A car with no numbers and obviously lots of new panels would struggle to get an age related plate...and probably end up with a number plate starting in Q ...which is not nice. Any one who knows anything knows your car is not original and probably constructed from either lots of new parts or used parts from several cars....I don't want to be seen in a Q plate Charger! Plates in the UK live with the car (not the owner) forever so there will be no hiding that cars history from future owners. Long post but hopefully it explains why us Brits like to actually restore rather than recreate a car. I won't say anything else in this thread...honest!
Quote from: alfaitalia on April 20, 2018, 01:41:24 AM
....they are building a near new car that looks like it with the same numbers!!
Potato-potatoe... so is the guy that takes his rotted turd, buys tons of "original" used, NOS sheetmetal, or even a donor car for it's "originality", and surgically replaces frame rails, fenders, doors, qtrs, rockers, trunk lid/floor, etc, etc, around his "floating/hovering" VIN tag and after months/years,decades, and a 100 lbs of mig wire proudly proclaims how his car is still all "original" and how he "saved it"....
Years (decades) from now no one will really care how the car was resurrected/rebodied/replicated/etc...
How much "originality" you think is left on these rolling AMD "reconstructed" examples?.... again, years from now, no one will really care...
I think it's pretty easy for anyone to tell the difference between "original"....... and "restored/rebuilt/replaced" if they really wanted to ?.... or cared ?
But that's the kicker because in 15-20 years nobody will care !
just say'in.... and in my experience anyways,
there are always small differences, but becoming more common as time goes by, mistakes/differences that can be found between "original" and "restored" if you look hard enough ?
But who cares !
These cars are here,and it is happening now. If it matters to the buyer then they better do their homework. To those that don't care some of the qualilty control done on these extreme restorations may actually be better than they were back in the day when they were just another days work in the mass production market!
Quote from: Lennard on April 20, 2018, 09:45:21 AM
Chargervert, I would just agree to disagree with alfaitalia if I were you because you'll be debating this with him for the next 5 pages.
That is funny. :2thumbs:
i have 3 r/ts ill be rebodying with donors, one of the donors I still have to replace the whole back half including frame rails with AMD. So that car will be half rebody, half Chinese metal and half original parts...kinda like man/bear/pig.
No one cares about an all original 318 charger, that's not what made these cars famous. I have zero problem with tossing the history of the 318 car away to preserve the history of the badass ones.
Quote from: Kern Dog on April 20, 2018, 06:05:34 PM
Quote from: Lennard on April 20, 2018, 09:45:21 AM
Chargervert, I would just agree to disagree with alfaitalia if I were you because you'll be debating this with him for the next 5 pages.
That is funny. :2thumbs:
Lol....of course KD NEVER argues with anyone! Ha ha! Nothing wrong with a different view point from someone else. What good debate is all about. Yes, before anyone say, I said I was out...but this is not thread subject related....I'm gone now!
In a good debate, different participants come up with new and valid arguments. You just keep repeating the same statement.
I never said that you should stop replying in this thread... that's your decision.
Quote from: charger_fan_4ever on April 20, 2018, 11:41:54 AM
Quote from: Nwcharger on April 18, 2018, 10:41:04 PM
Quote from: moparstuart on April 07, 2018, 11:21:17 AM
Quote from: DAY CLONA on April 06, 2018, 08:12:49 PM
Quote from: charger_fan_4ever on April 06, 2018, 10:37:15 AM
Hats off to the other show was it graveyard cars ? that declined to touch the ravine daytona thats been posted on here. Which is probably noworse than the chop cut rebuild tona.
The "ravine" Tona' was a joke at best, not even a slice of toast from the fragments left, that would have been just a blatant VIN swap (envelope car),
....at least with a rebody, it will utilize 2 or more vehicles in it's reconstruction...
FWIW, the GYC Cuda had pretty much nothing left to start with after it's blown out carcass was stripped, 2 rockers (barely) and an internal roof brace, and a VIN tag...the "rest" of the pieces in the pic of it on the jig is donor rails, braces, A pillars, etc before all AMD's repro metal was added... then walla!...a Chinese rebody appears at GYC's shop and the viewers rejoice over another great accomplishment that "only a few can do".... :icon_smile_big:
Personally I have ZERO issues with a Chinese rebody or in this case basically a replacement body, I just love Wormans ass kissing and blind eye alignment to be part of the anti-rebody crowd...
thats awesome , he's such a fake and a fraud , go back and watch the first few GYC shows where he talks so much hate on Aftermarket parts and how he is going to save all the body panels on that car . Watch it now and he uses everything aftermarket .
The only thing that is a joke is that people like to still talk sh!t about my car, yet can't make a reproduction Daytona trunk hinge that's with two sh!ts :2thumbs:. Just an FYI mark Wanted 60k to restore the body on the ravine Daytona. I know this because I'm the one who owns the car and brought it to gyc so mark could look at it. I didn't have the money to do it and told mark it would take me 2 years to come up with that kind of cash. A few months later he started his bs about it not being restorable. It will still be restored once my divorce is over with.
60k painted out the door ? or just to do the shell ? i assume just the shell ???
Interesting how was portrayed he just saw pics that were sent. Forgot to mention it was at the shop.......
60k for just the shell, I'm glad I couldn't afford to do it then. I'd probably not be happy with the finished product. It was kinda funny watching his expression change when I told him that I'm a working man and 60k is not just something I have, I mean just one look at me and anyone would know I don't have that kind of money.
To build your Daytona from what you have,you need to build a jig,using an undamaged Charger. Then take what you have to work with and make it fit the jig, Then get your AMD catalog out and start ordering parts,then start welding. You could probably build the body yourself for half of what Mark wanted.