Hey gang..
Thought I'd start the "official" thread on the restoration of the Press Release 1969 Hemi Charger 500, car #614, built in the 1st batch of Charger 500's for Press Release action at Creative... The car has been off the radar for an extremely long time. but now it will shine again. Of the 6 original PR C500's, this is the only known-whereabouts 727 auto car. The 1st 6 consisted of 3 manuals and 3 727's. The most famous of the cars, and best preserved, is Richard's #610 PR C500 seen in many publications. All 6 where pretty much built identical except for the tranny's of course (and with that the differentials). I believe all were destined to get the W23 "Recall" Wheel, but none apparently left Creative Industries. The evidence for this is the examples of the photos of the cars in publications and none had the W23 wheels. They had instead either the Monoco/Polara full wheel cover or black steelies with hub caps. It is with confidence that Rchards's #610 and my #614 car were at the Bud Lindemann C500 video and it was my car in the action videos, the 727 center console is obvious. And, another cool fact is the broadcast sheets for #610 and #614 were swapped into the other car when the technicians reinstalled the rear seat cushions in the conversion process, 50 years later, they were reunited !!!
Here is the thread when I bought and brought home the #614. Link to buying thread and Bud Lindermann new Charger 500 video (http://www.dodgecharger.com/forum/index.php/topic,134993.msg1674781.html#msg1674781)
Here, I and my friend Dave, undertake pulling the drivetrain and front suspension out from under the car in preparation for paint & body..
1. snapshot of the Lindermann video
2-5. various process shots
6. front bumper and lower valance removed..
Enough for a hot & humid Texas weekend..
Very cool Troy. Thanks for the pictures and will watch the story!
Bob
Quote from: taxspeaker on June 03, 2019, 11:53:44 AM
Very cool Troy. Thanks for the pictures and will watch the story!
Bob
See your future issues of Mopar Collector's Guide... hint hint.....
good stuff , looking forward to seeing pictures & up dates etc :yesnod: :popcrn:
It's not done yet? :shruggy:
Quote from: Mytur Binsdirti on June 04, 2019, 05:58:31 AM
It's not done yet? :shruggy:
You said you were coming over this weekend to do your magic,,,, you were a no-show....... What gives? :icon_smile_big:
You know that he only travels up and down Troy.
Will be following this with interest :popcrn: ... I thought you concluded your 500 was not the one in the action shots from the Bud video because of the 6 way seat?
Quote from: C500 on June 04, 2019, 10:23:22 PM
Will be following this with interest :popcrn: ... I thought you concluded your 500 was not the one in the action shots from the Bud video because of the 6 way seat?
When I said that, and can't place when/where I did, it wasn't from the Lindemann video. It doesn't show that part of the front seat. Spoke to Richard who owns #610 and both our cars were at the photoshoot/video. I am on the hunt for some really nice Monoco/Polara wheel covers.. I have one nice one now. The 4 that are with the car, well, they have seen better days.. As you can see here, #614 didn't lead the pampered life like Richard's #610 car ( which is all survivor )... I asked him if wanted to trade back seats to get his ( which is in mine ) back in his car ( which mine is in )..... :icon_smile_big:
I see the MC was off, what was casting number on bottom?
Quote from: Dragon Slayer on June 05, 2019, 08:41:39 AM
I see the MC was off, what was casting number on bottom?
Off the top of my head I don't recall the complete number, but it started with something like 34******, so it is a later-model master cylinder and not proper.. So, there will be a hunt for that one....
I have one if you want to PM me. Already SS Sleeved, with correct cap. Just needs the kit to complete the rebuild.
http://www.dodgecharger.com/forum/index.php/topic,97282.0.html
Big benchmark reached today, car totally on rollers... Drivetrain AND rear axle out.... I believe I will tackle the engine compartment next...
Before you strip the paint off, how much are you going to be asking for all that barn-find dust?
Quote from: Mytur Binsdirti on June 09, 2019, 05:55:39 AM
Before you strip the paint off, how much are you going to be asking for all that barn-find dust?
Not going to sell.. May try to up-trade Presss-Release-Hemi-C500 dust for Hemi-Daytona dust.... Or, I'll sweep into a ziplock and submit to the Smithsonian Institute or US National Archives... :icon_smile_big:
Mo parts off, mo parts in..
Thanks to Clint for the great parts at a great price:
1. Complete jack with current decal
2. K-member to rad. support bracket
3. Felt that is often forgotten or unknown on the jack anchor in the interior wheel well.
Collecting missing items and taking parts off for the paint job.
I hope you have a big place to lay everything out. As many of us know, a completely disassembled car takes up a lot of real estate.
Quote from: Mytur Binsdirti on June 19, 2019, 08:16:54 AM
I hope you have a big place to lay everything out. As many of us know, a completely disassembled car takes up a lot of real estate.
I have a 4-car garage with just the Daytona occupying space now...... So, have the shelves up to store things, will separate the motor and tranny soon and put the motor on the engine stand to start detailing it and the suspension components...
Troy,
I gotta ask.
You going to keep this one I hope. Makes a nice garage mate for the other one
Quote from: gtx6970 on June 20, 2019, 10:28:09 AM
Troy,
I gotta ask.
You going to keep this one I hope. Makes a nice garage mate for the other one
As people who really understand what I'm doing and have actually seen my "Troy-trades" from the over time, I have always increased the rarity and/or pedigree of my "next" car(s)..... Regarding Chargers, don't think I can go much higher than this one...... So, unless there was some bada** Superbird in my future, this one will share the garage with the Daytona for a very long time..........
Quote from: hemi68charger on June 20, 2019, 11:17:02 AM
Quote from: gtx6970 on June 20, 2019, 10:28:09 AM
Troy,
I gotta ask.
You going to keep this one I hope. Makes a nice garage mate for the other one
As people who really understand what I'm doing and have actually seen my "Troy-trades" from the over time, I have always increased the rarity and/or pedigree of my "next" car(s)..... Regarding Chargers, don't think I can go much higher than this one...... So, unless there was some bada** Superbird in my future, this one will share the garage with the Daytona for a very long time..........
Cool,
To me the only step up would be an original Hemi wing car
Charger 500 disassembly continues..
Thanks to Dave Points, was able to tackle getting more parts off the 500 in prep for paint/body. Front doors are shells, all glass out along with molding.. Good Saturday.. Also got some NOS parts for the endeavor.. Thanks Allen Vasut for the solenoids. I have a correct one on my current Daytona 426 Hemi... I will replace the cover on it and use it on this original j-code 500. I will use one of these on the Daytona with the correct bracket that Scott Smith reproduces for the 426 Hemi...... :2thumbs:
The car is turning out to be much more solid than I anticipated.. 👍
Couldn't help buy polish up some of that original R4 red under the back glass.. The rear plug and front window area looks great...
May have to be out on the look out for a service company for the power window motors....
:2thumbs:
Appears to have a woodgrain dash cluster
Quote from: nascarxx29 on July 01, 2019, 04:13:59 PM
Appears to have a woodgrain dash cluster
Yeap.. Someone at sometime went SE-happy on the car, changing out the cluster bezel and door panels from a SE
Troy,
Just got these hubcaps and have decided I now know how to build this one
(https://www.oldmodelkits.com/jpegs/m/MPC%206284%2069ChargVG++.JPG)
(http://www.modelcarsmag.com/forums/uploads/monthly_2017_12/image.png.fcec0b97766387c3cd775f1325dd463e.png)
Troy, Neither of those distributor emission control valves are correct for hemi.
Quote from: Dragon Slayer on July 05, 2019, 07:05:36 AM
Troy, Neither of those distributor emission control valves are correct for hemi.
Yeap, I know....... I have a correct one on my current Daytona 426 Hemi... I will replace the cover on it and use it on this original j-code 500. I will use one of these on the Daytona with the correct bracket that Scott Smith reproduces for the 426 Hemi...... :2thumbs:
Today I highlight some Mopar goodies... A big shout-out to Wayne Perkins for giving me the opportunity to attain a NOS rear valance for the 500. Thank you !!! Trying to do the best with the funds I have. Would like to get original end caps at an affordable price..
But with the NOS valance, it will provide a good cornerstone for the corners..
See how I did that? :icon_smile_big:
Also, Julius came over and sold me a Tony DAgostino restored front sway bar.. Tony, that thing is nice and look forward installing it on a freshly painted car when that day happens in the future. Thank you Julius, saved me shipping costs to and fro...
:2thumbs:
More progress; that Operation thing called a 500:
Removed fuel lines, fuel tank and rear taillamp assemblies.. Ray Reitz, getting closer. Got seat beats too from Pete. Richard with 500 ****610 will take some pictures of his tags and then I will get a hold it ECS about reproduction tags for the belts with the proper dates..
Dammit man, you're gonna scratch the paint!
(http://www.dodgecharger.com/forum/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=135491.0;attach=299993;image)
Well get a hold of Tom really quickly at ECS for your tags / decals. Hopefully things continue to move forward, but who knows what Cindy might do with the place!
I seen nos valance on this Daytona guy parts list from nj.at $8500.00 And marked sold.OMG
Quote from: nascarxx29 on July 08, 2019, 09:36:15 AM
I seen nos valance on this Daytona guy parts list from nj.at $8500.00 And marked sold.OMG
:o Where was that? A Craigslist post?
I have an nos rear and front valance and tail panel.
Looks like you will have to transfer the wiring clips to the new valance.
I have seen most NOS missing them, for some reason.
Greg stateline had nos valances etc on facebook sold most
I remember paying $150.00 for an NOS Charger rear valence pan. The guy had about 25 of them! That was in 1987.
The prices of the correct NOS parts are going up faster than the price of the completed cars!
MJ
Quote from: nascarxx29 on July 08, 2019, 09:36:15 AM
I seen nos valance on this Daytona guy parts list from nj.at $8500.00 And marked sold.OMG
Dave, that one was a front lower valance for a Daytona, not the standard Charger rear valance..... Big difference... Thanks for checking though.....
T
Quote from: odcics2 on July 08, 2019, 01:14:59 PM
Looks like you will have to transfer the wiring clips to the new valance.
I have seen most NOS missing them, for some reason.
Good you mention that.. I was just thinking that yesterday as I was removing the fuel tank, bumper and other stuff in the rear of the car..... Should not be too complicated a task to remove and install.......
Quote from: Charger-Bodie on July 08, 2019, 12:46:57 PM
I have an nos rear and front valance and tail panel.
PM sent.
I fully expect this thread to be AS detailed or more than Hemigeno's thread with his Daytona. :2thumbs: :2thumbs: :2thumbs:
Quote from: jonw29 on July 08, 2019, 03:09:17 PM
I fully expect this thread to be AS detailed or more than Hemigeno's thread with his Daytona. :2thumbs: :2thumbs: :2thumbs:
Jon, it may be as detailed, but as "correct" as Geno's? I don't have that much money nor time.... I won't wiff-wham the car for sure..... I'll push my limits on mopar-skills and be as efficient with the funds I have to do the job....... Plus, Geno told me in other conversations................ Don't do it !!! :icon_smile_big:
LOL.I am sure that he lost e few nights sleep on his project.I am certain that it will be HIGH quality.I will be following.
Quote from: Charger-Bodie on July 08, 2019, 12:46:57 PM
I have an nos rear and front valance and tail panel.
Don't charge him too much for the one you got from me! :rofl:
Forgive me Troy, but the car looks like it's in great shape? Is that the original paint? Looks like it is more dusty than rusty.
EDIT: I guess with the body-colored tail panel it is not the original paint
Quote from: Fitz73Chrgr on July 10, 2019, 03:24:11 PM
Forgive me Troy, but the car looks like it's in great shape? Is that the original paint? Looks like it is more dusty than rusty.
EDIT: I guess with the body-colored tail panel it is not the original paint
No, when Tom found the car in South Carolina at the scrap yard, it was in the process of getting converted to a General Lee, so the car is orange. It should be R4 red. The car was also being converted to a 4speed ( hence the 4speed pedals and hump in the floor pan - too bad, the floor pans overall are in excellent shape ). But, I have a replacement original auto tranny hump area with all the proper console brackets. Should be an easy fix for a skilled sheetmetal man.
The rear is your typical Mopar ( trunk pan, will assess the rear valance and end caps once it is stripped. The rear window plug and original Charger trunk water channels are in great shape too...
SC!!!!!That's my area.What area???
What a story great rescue from junkyard and General Lee.
Im enjoying your progress Troy. :popcrn: :cheers:
Quote from: nascarxx29 on July 10, 2019, 05:20:27 PM
What a story great rescue from junkyard and General Lee.
Got pics of it in the junk yard?
Quote from: odcics2 on July 11, 2019, 06:47:27 AM
Quote from: nascarxx29 on July 10, 2019, 05:20:27 PM
What a story great rescue from junkyard and General Lee.
Got pics of it in the junk yard?
I don't.. Don't think Tom does either. back then, people didn't take a lot of pictures and there was no convenient cell-phone... I'll look at the documentation I have to get the name of the place it was at.. It was in Tennessee before that...........
Quote from: hemi68charger on July 11, 2019, 08:08:24 AM
Quote from: odcics2 on July 11, 2019, 06:47:27 AM
Quote from: nascarxx29 on July 10, 2019, 05:20:27 PM
What a story great rescue from junkyard and General Lee.
Got pics of it in the junk yard?
I don't.. Don't think Tom does either. back then, people didn't take a lot of pictures and there was no convenient cell-phone... I'll look at the documentation I have to get the name of the place it was at.. It was in Tennessee before that...........
I can't stress the importance of vintage pics for documentation purposes... Hope something turns up!
The stolen recovered charger found in watt s on crates most stories say its a 68 .Could in been a early pilot 500
http://www.dodgecharger.com/forum/index.php?topic=114972.0#msg1420571
http://www.dodgecharger.com/forum/index.php?topic=41072.0
Excellent thread and I greatly appreciate the time it takes to do the thread, I stand to learn a lot about these cars from this. :popcrn:
http://www.dodgecharger.com/forum/index.php?topic=95654.0
So did this car go from south carolina junkyard and then to Tennesee then Canada to tx.In that order?
http://www.dodgecharger.com/forum/index.php/topic,131510.0.html
Quote from: nascarxx29 on July 19, 2019, 09:14:14 PM
So did this car go from south carolina junkyard and then to Tennesee then Canada to tx.In that order?
http://www.dodgecharger.com/forum/index.php/topic,131510.0.html
I don't think Canada was in the mix.... From what I know, in backwards order: Me (Texas), Tom (Indiana), previous owner at the salvage yard ( Carolinas ), title from then showed (Tenn) as previous title... That's all I know from this point.. At some point when it was done with the PR responsibilities, it was obviously sold, but to who and where they live, not sure..... The Canada connection is just a Canadian for sale website when Tom's friend way-back tried to market it for the 499,999.99 amount. The pictures of the car on that ad were at Tom's barn, just as I found it in Indiana...
Interesting.Just gotta wonder if it was given to magazine editor to test.
There is one the press cars that eventually made its way to Canada of course, so it is possible to confuse the two that way also.
Quote from: Ghoste on July 22, 2019, 05:30:47 AM
There is one the press cars that eventually made its way to Canada of course, so it is possible to confuse the two that way also.
Which one? I know the owner of 610 lives in both Canada and Alabama....... That one?
Didn't the NY Mike Russo press 500.Go to a Canada collector
Quote from: nascarxx29 on July 22, 2019, 11:01:56 AM
Didn't the NY Mike Russo press 500.Go to a Canada collector
I do believe so... I believe he keeps the car in Alabama.... I have spoken to him a lot over the last couple of months since I reunited the original broadcast sheet of his car to him...
Tracking limited build numbers car as these 5 challenging .My friend grew up in wrightstown NJ and seen propane x back in the day.Like to see it come back .So I can show him.The one of one Daytona from Sept 69 .playboy got press coverage .And then went to a Ohio dealer east Cleveland dodge I found its ad and confirmed dealer by warranty card found in car same dealer.I assume the 5 pre production charger 500s were dumped on used car dealers ?When program ended .Similar story on the NY Mike Russo found at a used car dealer
Quote from: nascarxx29 on July 22, 2019, 12:11:18 PM
Tracking limited build numbers car as these 5 challenging .My friend grew up in wrightstown NJ and seen propane x back in the day.Like to see it come back .So I can show him.The one of one Daytona from Sept 69 .playboy got press coverage .And then went to a Ohio dealer east Cleveland dodge I found its ad and confirmed dealer by warranty card found in car same dealer.I assume the 5 pre production charger 500s were dumped on used car dealers ?When program ended .Similar story on the NY Mike Russo found at a used car dealer
Dave,
there are apparently 6.. There were 3 manual trannys and 3 autos.. The were shipped in pairs to the West and East Coast for the magazines in those area and the other pair stayed in the Michigan area....
Quote from: hemi68charger on July 22, 2019, 11:40:56 AM
Quote from: nascarxx29 on July 22, 2019, 11:01:56 AM
Didn't the NY Mike Russo press 500.Go to a Canada collector
I do believe so... I believe he keeps the car in Alabama.... I have spoken to him a lot over the last couple of months since I reunited the original broadcast sheet of his car to him...
It very well could be, it was in Canada for a very long time but he has been spending more and more time in Alabama of late I have been told, so moving some of his cars down there makes sense.
Ghoste, your PM box is full, I was sending you the info on my Chargers.
Almost a whole page and no progress pictures. How disappointing.
Quote from: Mytur Binsdirti on July 23, 2019, 09:36:40 AM
Almost a whole page and no progress pictures. How disappointing.
Damn, you're right.......... I'll update tonight........... The car is pretty much stripped..
Update for you Mark.. Tada !!!
Pretty much done with the disassembly of the ole girl. Have to wait about 2.5 weeks for the blaster I am going to try. Gent says he has a system of stripping the car to include the very resistant factory sound deadening undercoating. I will take him one of my extra fenders that has the same undercoating and see how that goes before I take the complete car there. I want to reduce the chances of something happening to the car during multiple transportation. While I am waiting I will start taking out the whiff-wham attempt to repair the rusty trunk floor back in the 80's and all the window clips.. Thanks to my buddy Julius for enlightening me on another technique for removing the drip rail molding, had one side off in two minutes and the other side in 30 seconds, perfectly..
Nice solid floors.
(https://media.giphy.com/media/oBPOP48aQpIxq/giphy.gif)
So share the drip rail tip please, I've used the old style can opens in the past with success?
Quote from: mopar346 on July 24, 2019, 12:35:26 PM
So share the drip rail tip please, I've used the old style can opens in the past with success?
I will tonight when I get home.. But, basically a nice square piece of wood to place against the lower lip of the molding, 3 to 4" in width and a small hammer... You want to push the lip up from the bottom.. Don't use the can opener..... I'll take a picture and post it here...
Quote from: hemi68charger on July 24, 2019, 05:20:40 AM
Update for you Mark.. Tada !!!
Pretty much done with the disassembly of the ole girl. Have to wait about 2.5 weeks for the blaster I am going to try. Gent says he has a system of stripping the car to include the very resistant factory sound deadening undercoating. I will take him one of my extra fenders that has the same undercoating and see how that goes before I take the complete car there. I want to reduce the chances of something happening to the car during multiple transportation. While I am waiting I will start taking out the whiff-wham attempt to repair the rusty trunk floor back in the 80's and all the window clips.. Thanks to my buddy Julius for enlightening me on another technique for removing the drip rail molding, had one side off in two minutes and the other side in 30 seconds, perfectly..
Bottle opener?
Bottle opener should have been my term not can opener, basically the rounded end not the pointed end but I have seen damage when not done carefully, I like what Troy is saying and sounds like he'll elaborate more this evening.
Is this the salvage yard picture?
Those back wheel studs look long .Was it raced
Quote from: white on July 24, 2019, 03:14:23 PM
Is this the salvage yard picture?
Not the same car
Quote from: white on July 24, 2019, 03:14:23 PM
Is this the salvage yard picture?
Looks to be the one that was in the West Coast of I am not.mistaken.. Looks to be California based on the ground cover, terrain and the apparent rust free condition of the car..
I found this picture and I thought of Troy's 500.
It also appears to have a tan seat hanging out the window, or maybe it's aged white. I remember bone yards back in the day but dang that car sure don't look like it belong in one. :drool5:
Quote from: mopar346 on July 25, 2019, 05:08:14 AM
It also appears to have a tan seat hanging out the window, or maybe it's aged white. I remember bone yards back in the day but dang that car sure don't look like it belong in one. :drool5:
Dealing with salvage yards in the early 70S I have seen quite a few stripped out bodies that were scrapped out sad as it is..
Quote from: white on July 24, 2019, 03:14:23 PM
Is this the salvage yard picture?
Looks identical, I will give ya that...... both apparently in current V2 paint... Would be interesting to know if it was this car.. This is one of the 2 PR C500's that went to California. Most had the Monoco 15" wheel covers, but this one had the steelies.......
Here is documentation when the previous owner to me bought the 500 in the early 80's... $200 !!!!!
A place called Cars Plus in Chesaw, SC
What a return on investment in that one.. I paid him $90,000 !!! :o
I will say it again because no one seems to notice. The above picture of the bare car, is 100% not the car Troy now has. That picture was taken around 2007-8. I know with absolute certainty that the car Troy now has was not in the Southwest at that time.
Again NOT THE SAME CAR!!!!!!!!!!!
Quote from: 69_500 on July 26, 2019, 06:49:11 PM
I will say it again because no one seems to notice. The above picture of the bare car, is 100% not the car Troy now has. That picture was taken around 2007-8. I know with absolute certainty that the car Troy now has was not in the Southwest at that time.
Again NOT THE SAME CAR!!!!!!!!!!!
:yesnod:
I will 2nd that... The car, as creepy as it looks like mine, isn't.... My car was sitting on the premises of the previous owner for a VERY long time in Indiana, by way of South Carolina, Tennessee before that, etc....
Quote from: hemi68charger on July 25, 2019, 11:03:41 AM
Quote from: white on July 24, 2019, 03:14:23 PM
Is this the salvage yard picture?
Looks identical, I will give ya that...... both apparently in current V2 paint... Would be interesting to know if it was this car.. This is one of the 2 PR C500's that went to California. Most had the Monoco 15" wheel covers, but this one had the steelies.......
3 cars went to CA!!!
"You've got to hand it to the Chrysler guys. If they race it, they also sell it."
Those kudos began Steve Kelly's road test of the Charger 500 for the Feb. 1969 issue of Hot Rod. Three Hemi-powered Charger 500s were readied for the test, though one, a four-speed car, was "'borrowed (by person or persons as yet unconvicted) and most of the parts liberated." That's why Kelly spent his evaluation time in an automatic version. He liked the car's roominess, did not like the trunk lid made tiny by Creative Industries' rear-window conversion ("it's about as big as a glovebox door"), said the TorqueFlite "was the way to go on the street," and called the Charger 500 "the kind of car you make excuses to drive."
I was not sure if it was your car Troy, So I posted the picture because I just retrieved pictures from my 12 year old dead laptop and that picture was the last file to load. I knew Danny would know where it came from because I sure couldn't. ;)
Man oh man... Quality !!??
Man, today I started removing the window molding clips, good and rusty.. Noticed something extremely weird, every clip location on the rear window plug has another hole drilled above it !!!!
Talk about a source location for a water leak..
Extra clip holes drains.Back window bottoms seems to retain water and rot
Almost looks like they may have started two other holes above and to the left & right of the top hole.
Another one
http://www.dodgecharger.com/forum/index.php?topic=132672.0
Operation rotisserie 4 Charger 500..
Well, thanks to Bob for helping with the adaptor brackets and Dave Points for the rotisserie and help, for the old girl fitted today on the ole rotisserie for the future blasting and paint. It worked !!! Some shots of it and the special hemi-car body components. Now need to get the logistics of the blasting and paint shop.
Rotisseries make a restoration fun. I'm sure you already know this, but just make sure the trunk lid's closed before you rotate it upside down.
Don't ask me how I know.
Glad to see you reinforce the door jambs, most people don't do that & these car are quit flexible & bendable with out subframe connectors, ect, ect. LEON.
:coolgleamA: looking good :yesnod: :2thumbs:
Fast work there Troy!
Glad to hear the main-man is on the case too (Julius) lol.
Wonky grilles are the way forward... :slap:
Hey gang.. Accomplished another milestone this weekend; the blasting and delivering of the car to the body shop.. My last project Superbird took freaking 6 months or so.. This time, a weekend..
The car is pretty much what I expected.. Really solid in places and not so much in others. But, it can all be fixed.
Some more stripped and delivered..
Very nice, dustless blasting?
Quote from: mopar346 on October 01, 2019, 08:34:17 PM
Very nice, dustless blasting?
High pressure water with crushed glass, the only process I have been exposed to that actually cuts through the thick sound-deadening undercoating.
Is warping a risk with this method? LEON.
I stripped as much sound deadening off as I could by hand and got it blasted on rotisserie using garnet. Blasting does a super nice job :drool5: Nice work, love seeing your updates :2thumbs:
How long did the entire blasting take?
Quote from: hemi-hampton on October 01, 2019, 10:15:52 PM
Is warping a risk with this method? LEON.
No, I have one and the metal is literally cold immediately after blasting. It is an awesome process that is very effective and cleans a much wider section than a typical blaster, they main challenge I have found is the clean up afterwards but I use regular blast sand. Think about when you sand blast you can blow loose sand out of nooks and crannies, with the water blasting it's literally mud, terrible to get out of things like rockers. I have relegated mine to panel blasting and the exterior of the car and stay out of the inside and seal areas up that concern me. It is incredible the way it works and much cleaner not to mention it uses much less sand/media. They only other thing that concerns me is the whole thought of spraying water on bare metal, just a metal thing I guess. We have blasted using the "hold tight" chemical and left panels outside for 2 weeks with little ill effects.
Troy, how was the glass on clean up, that might be the ticket, looking at your blast pictures I did not see nearly the mess I'm left with.
Quote from: mopar346 on October 02, 2019, 05:25:18 AM
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Troy, how was the glass on clean up, that might be the ticket, looking at your blast pictures I did not see nearly the mess I'm left with.
It is my understanding and how it was explained to me is there will always be some residual media in the nooks and crannies of a car. Sand will usually attract moisture and clump easier whereas the crushed glass doesn't.
How much fun is it going to be to weld a new trunk floor in way up inside the car ?
Do you know any midgets ??
Quote from: hemi68charger on October 02, 2019, 05:55:00 AM
It is my understanding and how it was explained to me is there will always be some residual media in the nooks and crannies of a car. Sand will usually attract moisture and clump easier whereas the crushed glass doesn't.
Thank you, great info and the explanation makes sense.
Looks great Troy. Me of all people appreciate a high quality restoration. I can't wait to see this one progress.
Quote from: mopar346 on October 02, 2019, 11:46:35 AM
Quote from: hemi68charger on October 02, 2019, 05:55:00 AM
It is my understanding and how it was explained to me is there will always be some residual media in the nooks and crannies of a car. Sand will usually attract moisture and clump easier whereas the crushed glass doesn't.
Thank you, great info and the explanation makes sense.
Although both silicon based, sand is porous, whereas when heated and turned to glass, the water holding pores go away!
Troy,
It looks like they did a great job in a short amount of time!
But with those big compressors in the pictures I also have to ask if you had any warpage?
MJ
Troy -
Since your car originally had a 727, but has a 4 speed hump in it, maybe it was converted by Chrysler, Day 1, to replace the hemi 4 speed 500 press car that was stolen/recovered in Watts, all stripped out ? :shruggy:
Troy, where did you get those door jam supports? The look like they would be very helpful for a convertible? Are they needed with a hardtop car or are you just using because you have them? Thanks
Quote from: Mytur Binsdirti on October 02, 2019, 03:14:51 AM
How long did the entire blasting take?
We dropped it off on Saturday morning, he didn't really get going I believe until about 11am.. He finished Sunday afternoon... He brought in reinforcements..
Quote from: odcics2 on October 07, 2019, 05:21:36 PM
Troy -
Since your car originally had a 727, but has a 4 speed hump in it, maybe it was converted by Chrysler, Day 1, to replace the hemi 4 speed 500 press car that was stolen/recovered in Watts, all stripped out ? :shruggy:
The car was being converted at the salvage yard the car was found in back in the Carolinas..
Quote from: Moparpoolman on October 07, 2019, 06:59:41 PM
Troy, where did you get those door jam supports? The look like they would be very helpful for a convertible? Are they needed with a hardtop car or are you just using because you have them? Thanks
The supports were part of my friend's rotisserie system.... I believe it helped in rigidity. Not sure how it would have been without them...
I think the door jamb supports are a good idea on any car, convertible or not. These cars flex to much if stock from the factory. just my :Twocents: LEON.
Quote from: odcics2 on October 07, 2019, 05:21:36 PM
Troy -
Since your car originally had a 727, but has a 4 speed hump in it, maybe it was converted by Chrysler, Day 1, to replace the hemi 4 speed 500 press car that was stolen/recovered in Watts, all stripped out ? :shruggy:
Interesting thought.
Quote from: Ghoste on October 08, 2019, 05:22:56 AM
Quote from: odcics2 on October 07, 2019, 05:21:36 PM
Troy -
Since your car originally had a 727, but has a 4 speed hump in it, maybe it was converted by Chrysler, Day 1, to replace the hemi 4 speed 500 press car that was stolen/recovered in Watts, all stripped out ? :shruggy:
Interesting thought.
Why would a salvage yard do a conversion? Usually, they are trying to make money, not spend it... :shruggy:
Agreed. And if anyone associated with it did it with an eye to keeping the car for themselves, they would have done that.
Quote from: odcics2 on October 08, 2019, 01:29:24 PM
Quote from: Ghoste on October 08, 2019, 05:22:56 AM
Quote from: odcics2 on October 07, 2019, 05:21:36 PM
Troy -
Since your car originally had a 727, but has a 4 speed hump in it, maybe it was converted by Chrysler, Day 1, to replace the hemi 4 speed 500 press car that was stolen/recovered in Watts, all stripped out ? :shruggy:
Interesting thought.
Why would a salvage yard do a conversion? Usually, they are trying to make money, not spend it... :shruggy:
I don't know why, that was about 1982..I'm sure they had parts laying around and to convert it to a manual tranny would have been more attractive to buyers. Not all cars that end up at a salvage yard are destined to be scraped... All I know is that is where it was, some used car joint/salvage yard.. They were in the process of converting it to a 4speed and a General Lee (hence why is was painted orange). No one at the time, there, even knew what the heck it was... It was just a '69 Charger to them..
So it begins.. The cutting out of bad sections... The shop worked on removing the trunk floor this week and waiting on the sheetmetal I ordered...
Interesting to see the lower edge of the window plug and how un straight it was hacked off to mate up to drain gutter around trunk opening
:2thumbs: :cheers: :popcrn:
What does the underside of the 500 "dutchman" panel look like? is it just the regular Charger with Sheetmetal over it and a new trunk gutter or did the cut some of it away? I know the original lower window channel is still in place under the interior package tray.
Great work Troy!
Most of my Mopar mates are over 6 feet tall and 300lbs, NO CHANCE! :slap:
Me, I'm 5-1/2 feet and 150lbs, doing a C500 trunk floor was real easy for me lol :hack: :smash: :buff: :paintingpink: :faint:
The worst part is the interior paint! :scratchchin:
Getting up into the inner quarter cavities was a mare. :eek2: :eek2: :eek2:
Been washing F8 off my body/clothes/spraygun/eyeballs, for years now.. :icon_smile_big:
Quote from: mopar346 on October 09, 2019, 12:34:27 PM
What does the underside of the 500 "dutchman" panel look like? is it just the regular Charger with Sheetmetal over it and a new trunk gutter or did the cut some of it away? I know the original lower window channel is still in place under the interior package tray.
All the original 69 Charger sheetmetal is still there.. The plug was placed on top of the existing rear window pillar and at the intersection of the plug to the waterfall drain channel along the sides, a section of the original channel was cut away so the plug could fit in... Then welded all up...
Looking good Troy, with all the interest now I wish I had taken pictures when I did mine back in the late 80'S..
Well, the shop is full bore.. Whew..
Went and checked on the progress of the 500, took them my freshly restored hood hinges by RestoRick and go over some items that were discovered during the working (to be expected). Thanks to Robert and Bill Crabtree at AMD for the sheetmetal parts I've needed.. Took the ole Daytona to check it out. The passenger side isn't going to need that much, was just positioned for mocking. It'll just need the bottom surface below the reflector.
They are really making progress Troy!
Ahh yes, I remember those days fondly!
some more progress.....
Keeping as much of the original sheetmetal as possible, hence the floor pan patches..... we did however decide to swap out the taillamp panel since AMD's are really nice.. The lower valance corners are going to be the challenge......
Nice
Troy, the taillight inner pieces may need to be removed from the taillight panel and repositioned for the taillights to be centered correctly. Tell the body man to test fit the taillights in the tailpanel to make sure they are positioned correctly. You don't want to find out that they are off after the car is painted.
Quote from: chargervert on November 25, 2019, 10:03:39 AM
Troy, the taillight inner pieces may need to be removed from the taillight panel and repositioned for the taillights to be centered correctly. Tell the body man to test fit the taillights in the tailpanel to make sure they are positioned correctly. You don't want to find out that they are off after the car is painted.
Hey Pete..
I mentioned that to him, I believe we chatted about that in the past.... You are referring to the lens housing fitting properly in the taillamp opening of the panel, correct? We have the original still and another '70 for reference..
Yes Troy, I have installed a couple of the AMD tailpanels and they are a very nice piece, and they fit well,but one that I did, I had to remove the inner pieces and reweld them to properly align the taillights and taillight housings in the openings for the taillights in the tailpanel. Better to find out now,than to find out after the car is in paint.
Quote from: chargervert on November 25, 2019, 11:07:31 AM
Yes Troy, I have installed a couple of the AMD tailpanels and they are a very nice piece, and they fit well,but one that I did, I had to remove the inner pieces and reweld them to properly align the taillights and taillight housings in the openings for the taillights in the tailpanel. Better to find out now,than to find out after the car is in paint.
:2thumbs:
Brian, the body man will be checking... The young man seems very talented........... 500's coming along....
Its looking good Troy, I can't wait to see it in color!
Operation 500 wheel covers;
Just got a real nice set of proper wheel covers for my 500. The first patch were slated with W23 "Recall Wheels", but none left with them.. Since all 426 Hemi cars had the 15" wheels, these had steelie replacements with full wheel covers from Monoco/Polara models. Here is a picture of what my car would look like in the Bud Lindermann video in 69 and the wheel covers.. Thanks David 👍
Good score! I have 2 NOS ones and 2 very tidy one waiting to get on my wheels :2thumbs:
I really find it hard to believe that no car left the factory with the "W23" option, there are not a lot out there for sure, but enough sets out there in circulation that are well used. I personally have a set of the "Kelsey Hayes - recall wheels " that are date coded around the same time as my car. My Charger 500 is number 11 on the list to be manufactured.
I personally bought a mint set from an original owner of a Charger R/T.
He was called by the dealer several times, wanting him to come back and swap them out.
He declined, but decided to put Cragar mags on the car.
The Kelsey wheels had late July date codes.
They were the best set I have ever seen.
Had the centers, correct 4 clip trim rings and lug nuts.
There is data out there for build quantities.
C bodies got over 800 sets installed!!!
Now, how many remained in the publics hands is the question.
Quote from: 69 500 on November 28, 2019, 09:40:12 AM
I really find it hard to believe that no car left the factory with the "W23" option, there are not a lot out there for sure, but enough sets out there in circulation that are well used. I personally have a set of the "Kelsey Hayes - recall wheels " that are date coded around the same time as my car. My Charger 500 is number 11 on the list to be manufactured.
The W23 rims were recalled before the the 500's would have been being converted at Creative. The cars slated for build on 907 (September 7), now factor in conversion time and you are well past the recall date.
Recall letters were dated September 13th.
Add a few days to disperse the info and you
have a week's production plus.
Quote from: odcics2 on November 28, 2019, 03:05:49 PM
Recall letters were dated September 13th.
Add a few days to disperse the info and you
have a week's production plus.
If the cars were actually done at the plant on the 7th, they would have still been at Creative 3-4 weeks later at a minimum.
Quote from: 69_500 on November 28, 2019, 04:00:55 PM
Quote from: odcics2 on November 28, 2019, 03:05:49 PM
Recall letters were dated September 13th.
Add a few days to disperse the info and you
have a week's production plus.
If the cars were actually done at the plant on the 7th, they would have still been at Creative 3-4 weeks later at a minimum.
Where? I've been to the Creative Plant. The parking lot wasn't that large to pile up 3-4 weeks of production. :Twocents:
And stack up the incoming cars!
BUT - The cars would have been produced with W-23 wheels, but probably removed prior to shipment to the dealers.
As usual, what would help is an original vintage photo of a production car WITH the wheels! :yesnod:
:cheers:
I typically think of early production cars as being pretty close to schedule. :shruggy:
i'd wager there was a guy with a floor jack, four way lug wrench, and a truck load of mounted tires cussing his way through the cars already sent to creative
Quote from: odcics2 on November 28, 2019, 04:53:35 PM
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BUT - The cars would have been produced with W-23 wheels, but probably removed prior to shipment to the dealers.
As usual, what would help is an original vintage photo of a production car WITH the wheels! :yesnod:
:cheers:
I have a picture of Richard's 610 car in a Press Release photo with the W23's removed and the Monoco Wheel covers already installed. His car and mine, were built at the very same time, done at the same time.. Why else would his 610 broadcast sheet be found in my 614 car and my 614 broadcast sheet be found in his 610 car... So, that shows me too that his car and my car were paired up in being built. I'll find and scan it.
Quote from: Ghoste on November 29, 2019, 06:16:26 AM
I typically think of early production cars as being pretty close to schedule. :shruggy:
We built pilot cars in house, by hand.
I remember working on Program Cars in the August of the year, for the "new year" coming up.
Press Cars, Merchandising, Sales & Mkt., etc. The BIWs were done at Highland Park in the Pilot plant and finished in the Road Test Garage,
before the plants were going. I worked in TCF. (trim chassis final) Fuel Systems, at that time.
Then, Pre-Producton cars were at the plant, slow build to get the bugs out.
Then, VP. (volume production)
Quote from: hemi68charger on November 29, 2019, 08:59:07 AM
Quote from: odcics2 on November 28, 2019, 04:53:35 PM
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BUT - The cars would have been produced with W-23 wheels, but probably removed prior to shipment to the dealers.
As usual, what would help is an original vintage photo of a production car WITH the wheels! :yesnod:
:cheers:
I have a picture of Richard's 610 car in a Press Release photo with the W23's removed and the Monoco Wheel covers already installed. His car and mine, were built at the very same time, done at the same time.. Why else would his 610 broadcast sheet be found in my 614 car and my 614 broadcast sheet be found in his 610 car... So, that shows me too that his car and my car were paired up in being built. I'll find and scan it.
:coolgleamA: :2thumbs:
:cheers:
Just need a vintage photo of a C-500 with the Kelsey wheels so Ernie can win his wager! :2thumbs:
Vintage- Here is Richard's 610 500 in a Press Release photo, sans W23's, with the Monoco/Polara 15" wheel covers. Since his and mine were built at the same time, his should look like mine and mine like his...
Nice. Ive run across those pics.
:popcrn:
:2thumbs:
One day i hope to see here in real life.
K-E
Those union guys sure did a great job installing the grille. STRAIGHT!!!! :2thumbs:
Quote from: odcics2 on December 03, 2019, 11:12:02 AM
Those union guys sure did a great job installing the grille. STRAIGHT!!!! :2thumbs:
You should see my trunk weatherstrip lip on the plug section of the trunk opening.... non-existing........ And I confirmed with Richard's 610, it is relatively non-existing too.. The weatherstrip on the top section of the opening (the plug) is laying in the water channel......... Nice to know Quality Control eventually corrected it for production cars.. no wonder my trunk was completely rotted out.....
That wasn't union work,both of those items were installed at Creative Industries, just saying. That is how most of their work was. They were probably being rushed to get the 500 cars built for Nascar compliance, in their defense though.
Quote from: chargervert on December 03, 2019, 12:55:41 PM
That wasn't union work,both of those items were installed at Creative Industries, just saying. That is how most of their work was. They were probably being rushed to get the 500 cars built for Nascar compliance, in their defense though.
The guy that I bought wing car parts from years ago told me that he was in the UAW. :Twocents:
The two Chrysler Engineering Race Mechanics working on the #88 were also UAW members.
Quote from: odcics2 on December 03, 2019, 01:08:53 PM
The guy that I bought wing car parts from years ago told me that he was in the UAW. :Twocents:
The two Chrysler Engineering Race Mechanics working on the #88 were also UAW members.
Did you look for the union label?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4PVZVuJ4WWE
Quote from: Mytur Binsdirti on December 03, 2019, 01:20:00 PM
Quote from: odcics2 on December 03, 2019, 01:08:53 PM
The guy that I bought wing car parts from years ago told me that he was in the UAW. :Twocents:
The two Chrysler Engineering Race Mechanics working on the #88 were also UAW members.
Did you look for the union label?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4PVZVuJ4WWE
Unions: Building the United States middle class since 1866.
p.s. The United States of America is a union.
All that I could find on the 500 original dealer
Hutton-Scott Dodge in Charlotte NC. The dealership is no longer in business however Scott Jaguar is a continuation of the original company. I have researched the dealership and found that it sponsored Buddy Baker in a Raymond Fox owned 1965 Dodge for the 1966 Charlotte NASCAR race. The car led 36 of the first 51 laps and retired with a blown engine.
utton Scott Company 300 W. Fifth Street
Hutton-Scott Dodge 501 S. Caldwell St.
Charlotte
Arranging the garage this weekend to make room for a 70 Barracuda ragtop.. Thought I'd snap a picture of the 426 Hemi for my 500.. Took the valve covers off and she is clean as a whistle in there, fresh motor..😀
They sure an impressive looking engine.
Did you buy a 70 Barracuda ragtop? done or project? pictures?
Operation 500; starting to look like a complete car again.. The rear of the car has gotten some focused time..
Quote from: Y1CHARGER on December 15, 2019, 07:51:02 PM
Did you buy a 70 Barracuda ragtop? done or project? pictures?
Man, you're quick... It is a 383 auto Grand Coupe Barra Cuda. Gent wants me to put her back together.
Quote from: odcics2 on December 03, 2019, 01:08:53 PM
Quote from: chargervert on December 03, 2019, 12:55:41 PM
That wasn't union work,both of those items were installed at Creative Industries, just saying. That is how most of their work was. They were probably being rushed to get the 500 cars built for Nascar compliance, in their defense though.
The guy that I bought wing car parts from years ago told me that he was in the UAW. :Twocents:
The two Chrysler Engineering Race Mechanics working on the #88 were also UAW members.
.....
WOW! Those were the days huh? :cheers:
Quote from: DAY CLONA on December 15, 2019, 11:05:16 PM
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Hey Mike.. Hope you're not implying I should charge only $2.90/hr to put this Grand Coupe back together.. :-)
How did the rear valance and corners fit, did they have to make any "pie" cuts? I think you said the valance was NOS but what about the corners? NOS or AMD or Goodmark?
Quote from: Moparpoolman on December 16, 2019, 11:50:54 AM
How did the rear valance and corners fit, did they have to make any "pie" cuts? I think you said the valance was NOS but what about the corners? NOS or AMD or Goodmark?
the rear lower valance was NOS (not any more :-) ). The end caps are still not right and needed to be adjusted as you mentioned. In hindsight, I should have bought the good originals I found about a year ago, but they were at $400 and I couldn't swallow that at the time............. But, the body shop is doing a good job thus far.. Happy with the progress.
T
Quote from: hemi68charger on December 16, 2019, 06:59:04 AM
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Hey Mike.. Hope you're not implying I should charge only $2.90/hr to put this Grand Coupe back together.. :-)
Did you finish high school? :nana:
Quote from: odcics2 on December 16, 2019, 01:07:07 PM
Quote from: hemi68charger on December 16, 2019, 06:59:04 AM
Quote from: DAY CLONA on December 15, 2019, 11:05:16 PM
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Hey Mike.. Hope you're not implying I should charge only $2.90/hr to put this Grand Coupe back together.. :-)
Did you finish high school? :nana:
Certainly did, as well as a State college, an Ivy League University and Design School..... with 2 Academic Scholarships, and I paid off my student loans as well.... :nana:
I took up so much space in school I should be an astronaut.
Quote from: DAY CLONA on December 16, 2019, 10:26:33 PM
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Certainly did, as well as a State college, an Ivy League University and Design School..... with 2 Academic Scholarships, and I paid off my student loans as well.... :nana:
Think Greg was referring to me in that, if I didn't finish high school I wouldn't get past $2.95 / hour.. :-) But, yeah.. I did........ that and a Geophysics degree from them-there The University of Texas at Austin, Hook'em 'Horns..... Who would have thought this gearhead is a Geophysicists
A Geo-what-acist? I don't even know what that is! :smilielol:
Quote from: DAY CLONA on December 16, 2019, 10:26:33 PM
Quote from: odcics2 on December 16, 2019, 01:07:07 PM
Quote from: hemi68charger on December 16, 2019, 06:59:04 AM
Quote from: DAY CLONA on December 15, 2019, 11:05:16 PM
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Hey Mike.. Hope you're not implying I should charge only $2.90/hr to put this Grand Coupe back together.. :-)
Did you finish high school? :nana:
Certainly did, as well as a State college, an Ivy League University and Design School..... with 2 Academic Scholarships, and I paid off my student loans as well.... :nana:
I wasn't asking you, Mike!!
I would love to get 3 bucks an hour!
My Annuity (pension-pot) pays me less than 1 buck an hour... :slap:
160 hour month x $150... :'( :'( :'(
The Joys of being retired in the fifth best economy in the World!!!
Will it get better now we are leaving Euroland? :scratchchin: :scratchchin: :scratchchin:
Folks are saying it will be like 1973 all over again.
3 day week, no gas (petrol) and no electrics at home.
Yep I was there in 73 and it weren't good...
AWFUL AUSTINS or a COOLIO FORD ESCORT... :drool5:
See what happens when you install a battery in the trunk kit?? :lol:
Well, the ole girl is in good hands with Brian and Ray Reitz over at RF Customs.. There is a strong momentum forward with the car. They are making sure the moldings and gaps are all good, soon the car will be in primer.. Moving along nicely..
Awesome Troy! Cant wait to see it at the next reunion.
Great progress on the 500!
MJ
Looking good Troy!
Quote from: Mopar John on January 03, 2020, 02:40:10 PM
Great progress on the 500!
MJ
Thanks John,,
Quote from: chargervert on January 03, 2020, 02:51:23 PM
Looking good Troy!
Funny how the shop and I are a little different in anal detail... Theirs is panel gaps, lines and fit.. I'm with that too, but know these were production cars and back then, the gaps sometimes left a lot to be desired.. For me, make sure the seam between the rear lower valance and corners are NOT !!! filled in at all. :icon_smile_big:
Sometimes you gotta tell them what you want or looking for ahead of time. like OEM Correct factory Resto with factory type 2 coats enamel with orange peel or over restored better then factory show car where they block sand 6 coats of clear & make car totally flat & straight unlike factory that is wavy. LEON.
Quote from: hemi-hampton on January 03, 2020, 07:17:42 PM
Sometimes you gotta tell them what you want or looking for ahead of time. like OEM Correct factory Resto with factory type 2 coats enamel with orange peel or over restored better then factory show car where they block sand 6 coats of clear & make car totally flat & straight unlike factory that is wavy. LEON.
We will be going single-stage in the engine compartment, the trunk, interior and wheel wells and base/clear coat on the exterior.. The paint is so damn expensive... Going with the dipping-primer paint from Dave P. for the underside (overspray technique like original)
Troy,
Before they paint make a checklist of all things that need to be looked at before paint.
Here are some items that I have seen to cause problems:
1) Are the tabs for the license plate lamp wires there?
2) Are all the tabs for the trunk/tail light wiring there?
3) Are all the holes cut out in the trunk floor?
4) If your going to install the trunk light tab is it there?
5) Are the holders for the bumper jack welded in?
6) Are the holes for the sill plate screws in good shape?
7) Are the rocker covers for the wiring there?
8) Was there any other metal modifications done like the 4 speed cut out?
I'm talking about rear speakers, door speakers, extra holes for wiring in the firewall?
9) Make sure all the nut type fasteners don't have bolts broke off in them or are in bad shape.
These are all items that would require welding and repaint after the fact.
MJ
Quote from: Mopar John on January 03, 2020, 08:44:02 PM
Troy,
Before they paint make a checklist of all things that need to be looked at before paint.
Here are some items that I have seen to cause problems:
...
MJ
Very good points John.. #2 we have spoken about, but I have forgotten to check and don't think they are on the car.. Man, there are a bunch of little things in a major project like this..
Troy,
Here are a couple of more items that I have thought of.
Make sure all the seam sealer is installed where you want it.
Make sure all your hardware that is going to be painted is there and the ones you want.
Now is the time to look for those fasteners and clips.
All these items will look great and match the paint on the body!
MJ
Quote from: hemi68charger on January 03, 2020, 08:13:29 PM
Quote from: hemi-hampton on January 03, 2020, 07:17:42 PM
Sometimes you gotta tell them what you want or looking for ahead of time. like OEM Correct factory Resto with factory type 2 coats enamel with orange peel or over restored better then factory show car where they block sand 6 coats of clear & make car totally flat & straight unlike factory that is wavy. LEON.
We will be going single-stage in the engine compartment, the trunk, interior and wheel wells and base/clear coat on the exterior.. The paint is so damn expensive... Going with the dipping-primer paint from Dave P. for the underside (overspray technique like original)
I usually do the same, single stage in those areas & base clear the exterior. Sounds like your doing a little of both, over restored to Oem factory correct. one thing I would stress is to make sure any extra holes that don't belong in the Engine compartment like extra drill holes in firewall & inner fenders to ad additions get welded up. LEON.
P.S. What color did you saying you were spraying it?
Quote from: hemi-hampton on January 04, 2020, 02:46:07 PM
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I usually do the same, single stage in those areas & base clear the exterior. Sounds like your doing a little of both, over restored to Oem factory correct. one thing I would stress is to make sure any extra holes that don't belong in the Engine compartment like extra drill holes in firewall & inner fenders to ad additions get welded up. LEON.
P.S. What color did you saying you were spraying it?
Hey Leon...
Yeap, already did the hole inspection and things are moving forward. Now, the next hurdle is the rear valance tabs that hold the reverse and license plate wires... The car is R4 red with white "500" stripe and black interior. Going with the primer gray undercarriage paint with body-color overspray..
Nice one Troy!
I remember Julius and Galen researching the primer undercoat color for a Daytona about ten years back and we were surprised how dark it was, when new!
When you see it after 40-50 years of service it becomes almost light gray to dark white lol... :lol:
From this morning.. Ready for 1st primer..
:2thumbs: :popcrn:
Looking good! :2thumbs:
At this rate, it'll only be a few more weeks before you're ready to put it up for sale. :nana:
Quote from: Mytur Binsdirti on January 07, 2020, 08:23:55 AM
Looking good! :2thumbs:
At this rate, it'll only be a few more weeks before you're ready to put it up for sale. :nana:
:slap:
:lol:
You better duck Troy, he weilds that turban around like a boomerang!
Quote from: Mytur Binsdirti on January 07, 2020, 08:23:55 AM
Looking good! :2thumbs:
At this rate, it'll only be a few more weeks before you're ready to put it up for sale. :nana:
Trades only :nana:
I have been involved in the patented Troy trade program! It's almost like he leases them! Maybe you should take your Troy trade program National, and start an old school Mopar leasing company Troy! It worked for Peneske!
Quote from: chargervert on January 07, 2020, 11:25:09 AM
I have been involved in the patented Troy trade program! It's almost like he leases them! Maybe you should take your Troy trade program National, and start an old school Mopar leasing company Troy! It worked for Peneske!
Hey Pete. Maybe I should... It has definitely worked for me over time.. I just get better and more unique mopars as I go along.... Traders'-lives-matter..
I have never stayed with one car "just because someone thinks I should or, dare I say, are envious".. In every situation, all parties were happy and that's all that matters..
Operation 69 Hemi Charger 500; 1st primer
What a big difference when the car is a uniform color. RF Customs shot the first coat of primer on the car yesterday.. Looking great !!!
Have a few items to address like the console brackets and misc wire tabs on the trunk and rear section. Thanks also to Dave Points for removing the original rear valance wire tabs and reconditioning them. Thanks to Brian and Ray Reitz at the shop..
:coolgleamA: :2thumbs:
#88 will be there soon.
:cheers:
:2thumbs: :2thumbs: :2thumbs:
We have color !!! Have the primer paint sprayed under it first then color. Will do the overspray on the undercarriage.
video at the shop (https://youtu.be/sx9QTqryHjQ)
:drool5: looking good ! awesome stuff :2thumbs:
love that color Red is the second best color on a second generation ;)
Quote from: hemi68charger on February 01, 2020, 09:08:20 AM
We have color !!! Have the primer paint sprayed under it first then color. Will do the overspray on the undercarriage.
Troy, great progress! What is the plan for the under carriage? Just keeping it black or color also?
The undercarriage is painted in the primer-colored paint from Dave P. I will have the overspray look done. Not doing the total sound deadening coating done at this point. The pictures make it look black but isn't.
Coming along...lightening speed! :2thumbs:
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A lot of progress there Troy!
MJ
Operation Hemi 500 color continue: 😀
RF Customs is pressing forward.. Overspray on the Charger 500..
Coverage looks skimpy to me .
Quote from: Charger-Bodie on February 02, 2020, 09:00:14 PM
Coverage looks skimpy to me .
I agree, when factory sprays under Rockers seems more overspray gets onto floor in that area while under Rockers still seem light. LEON.
Quote from: Charger-Bodie on February 02, 2020, 09:00:14 PM
Coverage looks skimpy to me .
Could be, but it is what is at this point.
If they don't tape off the bottom of the 500 for the outer body paint this may be just a base coat?
MJ
Quote from: Mopar John on February 03, 2020, 10:49:05 AM
If they don't tape off the bottom of the 500 for the outer body paint this may be just a base coat?
MJ
I do believe they are going to mask off the complete bottom at the pinchweld ( basically opposite of what they have now ) and shoot the car. I believe the clear coat will go on the complete car at the same time.. We have gone over this ad nauseum.. They will probably be happy when I take the car.. haha.. This is definitely something out of their normal mode of project work. They are more of a Chip Foose / Kindig sort of shop. They thought I was looney with the overspray-look request.. They'll hopefully treat it as expanding their resume. They have already painted a friend's Superbird and will probably do another friend's Bird after mine. They are getting their crash course in Mopars.....
Getting ready for exterior sealing and paint.
Not to clutter your thread but maybe a method for the undercarriage overspray for others. I didn't do my undercarriage over spray on my AAR when the car was first paint because I didn't know about it back then. Before I assembled it (read several years later) I had been educated to that detail. At that point I taped the car off including the engine compartment, elevated it about 2 foot and walked around and sprayed the rockers and firewall like I was intending to paint them and let the overspray happen naturally. I think it turned well. I tried to upload pictures but I guess they are too big.
Thank you Troy for documenting your build, as many are I am really enjoying seeing the progress.
69 Charger 500 visit;
Stretched legs on the ole Daytona to visit Ray Reitz and Brian to see the 500.. Man, she looks good.. Nice to help install the hood. Pictures make the car have an orange hue, but in person she's definitely red.
Are end caps supposed to be on or off during painting to be correct?
Quote from: JB400 on February 07, 2020, 05:29:19 PM
Are end caps supposed to be on or off during painting to be correct?
It is my understanding from the factory they were off.. I have seen originals and the gasket material between the body and quarter extensions didn't have paint on them.. In this case, painting the extensions and sidemarker bezels off the car with the bezels not getting full coverage on the back like they were originally.
Did you find any odd things while you were disassembling the car that you documented?
On my Press car, the entire trunk floor was not painted in color, just primered.
Quote from: odcics2 on February 08, 2020, 07:47:20 AM
Did you find any odd things while you were disassembling the car that you documented?
On my Press car, the entire trunk floor was not painted in color, just primered.
The obvious thing, and I did fix it since I'll be driving the car and don't want water leaks, is a problem with the plug area that makes up the water drain channel. When creative made these plugs, I guess they had not developed a quality control yet. The lip for the weatherstrip seal was practically none-existent. I have documented it. But, I want the weatherstripping to have a place to be clued to. Also, every rear window molding reveal clip had two holes. It was like the original holes that were punched into the sheetmetal was off and the tech's at Creative had to drill/punch new holes to make the reveal clips be in the proper position. Funny thing is, they NEVER FILLED THE HOLES !!! The car had to leak like a sieve. I confirmed on Richard's ###610 car, built the same time as mine, had the same incorrect weatherstrip lip on the plug. Any paint irregularities were destroyed since my car led a rough life and was painted in a vain attempt to make a General Lee back in '80'81..
Quote from: hemi68charger on February 07, 2020, 05:55:42 PM
Quote from: JB400 on February 07, 2020, 05:29:19 PM
Are end caps supposed to be on or off during painting to be correct?
It is my understanding from the factory they were off.. I have seen originals and the gasket material between the body and quarter extensions didn't have paint on them.. In this case, painting the extensions and sidemarker bezels off the car with the bezels not getting full coverage on the back like they were originally.
If that were the case. Why has every nut retaining the end cap ( on every b body I've been part of . ) the nuts have been body color
if assembled post paint the nuts would be natural plating
Also,
You asked about base clear versus singe stage.
What is the areas already painted with ,,looks like BC to me ?
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Quote from: hemi68charger on February 07, 2020, 05:55:42 PM
Quote from: JB400 on February 07, 2020, 05:29:19 PM
Are end caps supposed to be on or off during painting to be correct?
It is my understanding from the factory they were off.. I have seen originals and the gasket material between the body and quarter extensions didn't have paint on them.. In this case, painting the extensions and sidemarker bezels off the car with the bezels not getting full coverage on the back like they were originally.
If that were the case. Why has every nut retaining the end cap ( on every b body I've been part of . ) the nuts have been body color
if assembled post paint the nuts would be natural plating
Also,
You asked about base clear versus singe stage.
What is the areas already painted with ,,looks like BC to me ?
That's probably the case then.. This shop is going to paint them off the car along with the sidemarker bezels.
Pilot cars had different techniques than production cars....
Be careful doing anything like production! :yesnod:
:cheers:
Well, the whole car is red now, albeit the lighting makes it look like Candy-Apple red as of yesterday
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Looking Awesome Troy!
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Oh my! :o :o
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N I C E ! ! !
WOW! :o
The color does look different than the same pics posted on the forbbodiesonly site. Hmmm!!!
Interesting!
Troy,
It looks great!
MJ
Quote from: odcics2 on February 13, 2020, 05:38:51 PM
The color does look different than the same pics posted on the forbbodiesonly site. Hmmm!!!
Interesting!
Julius saw the car yesterday and said it looks fine.. I am going by tomorrow and check her out and take the organosol paint for the taillamp panel.
The car looks fantastic Troy!
Quote from: hemi68charger on February 13, 2020, 08:52:35 PM
Quote from: odcics2 on February 13, 2020, 05:38:51 PM
The color does look different than the same pics posted on the forbbodiesonly site. Hmmm!!!
Interesting!
Julius saw the car yesterday and said it looks fine.. I am going by tomorrow and check her out and take the organosol paint for the taillamp panel.
Sure it does, just that on the same laptop, the same pics you posted look different on each site. Must be how the sites project the colors...
Oh, I reconfirmed that my Charger 500 pilot car that became Nascar racecar DC-93 (#88) did not have any color inside the trunk, just primer, then black over that. Didn't have seam sealer either, like you have in your trunk. No traces at all.
Just saying cars are like fingerprints, especially the early hand built Pilot cars.
Looks awesome Troy!
Quote from: odcics2 on February 14, 2020, 02:12:02 PM
Quote from: hemi68charger on February 13, 2020, 08:52:35 PM
Quote from: odcics2 on February 13, 2020, 05:38:51 PM
The color does look different than the same pics posted on the forbbodiesonly site. Hmmm!!!
Interesting!
Julius saw the car yesterday and said it looks fine.. I am going by tomorrow and check her out and take the organosol paint for the taillamp panel.
Sure it does, just that on the same laptop, the same pics you posted look different on each site. Must be how the sites project the colors...
Oh, I reconfirmed that my Charger 500 pilot car that became Nascar racecar DC-93 (#88) did not have any color inside the trunk, just primer, then black over that. Didn't have seam sealer either, like you have in your trunk. No traces at all.
Just saying cars are like fingerprints, especially the early hand built Pilot cars.
Yes, I agree with you.. Mine did have seam sealer and so did Richard's survivor ###610 car....
Some more from today.. I went over to check it out in person and take the black taillamp panel organosol paint... These pictures look more like R4 Charger Red than the other ones.. Monday they will begin cut-n-buff..
more from today
Looks Good Congrats :2thumbs: LEON.
looks good :coolgleamA: :2thumbs: :popcrn:
Looks Great :2thumbs:
So, how many gallons of color base, did you rip thru?
Quote from: J.Bond on February 16, 2020, 08:46:33 AM
Looks Great :2thumbs:
So, how many gallons of color base, did you rip thru?
2.25 gallons I was told...
Matched up the painted sidemarker bezels with the collection of NOS side marker parts I have accumulated for the 500. Have the other NOS red reflector somewhere in my NOS parts stash.
Operation Hemi C500 almost done:
Was sent pictures yesterday of the 500.. Looks pretty good from here. I will swing by tomorrow to drop off the "500" stripe. Today the organosol black-out treatment for the taillamp panel should be done.
Niiiiice! :2thumbs:
:cheers: Looks vary good Troy. What did they use for the sound deadening, I am about to start on my Daytona in a few weeks. What will you use on the wheel wells also. :2thumbs: Jay (Wingman)
Quote from: WINGMAN on February 20, 2020, 02:02:40 PM
:cheers: Looks vary good Troy. What did they use for the sound deadening, I am about to start on my Daytona in a few weeks. What will you use on the wheel wells also. :2thumbs: Jay (Wingman)
I did not go with the sound deadening on the undercarriage. I just went ahead and had the undercarriage painted with Dave P. primer-dip paint and then applied the overspray technique. My friend Julius is going to help me with the wheel wells... We'll take the car to my house and do it there.. He'll get the product.. I'll let you know what he gets unless you need the info sooner than later.
I won't be using sound deadener either. :lol:
Quote from: odcics2 on February 20, 2020, 04:53:04 PM
I won't be using sound deadener either. :lol:
Does that NASA foam count?
Troy, make sure that everything is bolted up properly before you transport the car. Many years ago I had a friend paint my 70 Challenger R / T, and he forgot to put the fender bolts in the lower right fender, and by the time I got the car home,three miles from his shop,the fender and door were all chipped up.
Quote from: chargervert on February 23, 2020, 12:03:08 PM
Troy, make sure that everything is bolted up properly before you transport the car. Many years ago I had a friend paint my 70 Challenger R / T, and he forgot to put the fender bolts in the lower right fender, and by the time I got the car home,three miles from his shop,the fender and door were all chipped up.
Thanks Pete... We will for sure.... :2thumbs:
Not many things that make me want to cry in my life,but when I looked at my freshly painted sublime car,and there was big chips missing on the fender and door, it was all I could do not to cry like a little girl!
This is what it would look like.. But unfortunately, the stripe developed a bunch of bubbles in the stripe that they couldn't get out and well, took it off. I am bring home the car today...
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Did the stripe wanta come off easy on the Fresh Paint? LEON :scratchchin:
if you leave a stripe on too long ( MONTHS) out in the sun etc the adhesive under the stripe will actually bond to the clearcoat. but im sure it came right off this paint job as ive been there w a big blackout on a challenger hood. u have to use lotsa soapy water worked from the middle out . before i got out of auto body we were using alcohol to put on decals which worked real well. especially on the clear rock chip decals many cars have now all over the fronts of modern cars. Sign companies have their own specially formulated goop they use to put decals on vehicles etc. The paint on this 500 looks great!
Well, she's home..
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Operation they-ain't-NOS-anymore; once they get put on the car :2thumbs:
Well, long story here but behind the scenes there was a possibility that the 500, as it was post paint-n-body, was going to find another home. A gent who has made repeated inquiries about the car since I bought it called again right before I took delivery of the car from the shop. Well, in my true nature, I thought "What the Heck".. Ok, I didn't go after anything on this.. 😀
Told him it would be ONLY if I was able to get enough cash to buy a Superbird I know of AND another car he owned in particular. After all, this 500 is NOT your typical Hemi Charger 500. Not that any Hemi Charger 500 is typical. EVERYTHING was in line and I was feeling rather pumped about it.. But, alas, he reached out 2 days after what I thought was wiring the money only to find out he had to pull out of the deal. Oh well, wasn't meant to be.. (granted wasn't too happy and still aren't). Soooo, time for some Mopar-therapy by installing some NOS parts and getting one NOS Monoco/Polara wheel cover. Few things are better than installing new emblems on new paint.
as hard as it is to hold off id wait atleast 30 days before installing parts that clamp the paint.
Quote from: Charger-Bodie on March 06, 2020, 11:39:33 AM
as hard as it is to hold off id wait atleast 30 days before installing parts that clamp the paint.
Agree.
Car looks great! :coolgleamA: :cheers: :2thumbs:
I'll second what ChargerBodie said, my paint shop put my door handles and latches on and they sunk into the clear. I took them all off and left them off for while as I was installing the reinforcing plates inside the doors and then searched through my spares for slightly wider body gaskets to put them back on.
That said, start assembling things in logical order, headliner first, firewall insulation, heater box, etc.. etc and worry about trim last. Oh and get that sale thing out of your head, you're keeping this one! :yesnod:
Haven't secured the emblems yet, just resting in the hole.. But I will heed your suggestions..
Going to order the lines now..
Only 3 NOS hub caps to go!
Not many pairs, sets, assemblies left now days!
MJ
Quote from: Mopar John on March 06, 2020, 02:59:07 PM
Only 3 NOS hub caps to go!
Not many pairs, sets, assemblies left now days!
MJ
Buy what you can, when you can. :yesnod: :yesnod: :yesnod:
some more from yesterday.... fun putting the new stuff on... trunk and taillamp trim. May adjust the deck lid down a wee bit.
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Thought you were gonna stop putting trim on the painted surfaces?
Quote from: Charger-Bodie on March 08, 2020, 11:32:45 AM
Thought you were gonna stop putting trim on the painted surfaces?
:yesnod:
Quote from: Charger-Bodie on March 08, 2020, 11:32:45 AM
Thought you were gonna stop putting trim on the painted surfaces?
I had to do something, Organosol isn't a big deal... and nothing is tightened down except the eye-brow trim and Charger script on the taillamp panel, the long taillamp trim under deck lid isn't tightened and has only 2 screws holding it. If I can get a component off the floor and shelves I will. Not putting door handles, Charger pillar script... Have to find a powder coater to clean up a bunch of parts now, (k-member, rear end housing, leaf springs, etc)
Looks great Troy! :2thumbs:
I may be late to the party on this and I know you know what you are doing but with the above assembly and order conversations I thought I'd mention Resto-Ricks assemble line order document. I've used it on several cars and consider it to be one of the best tools I have ever found.
Quote from: mopar346 on March 10, 2020, 02:25:55 PM
I may be late to the party on this and I know you know what you are doing but with the above assembly and order conversations I thought I'd mention Resto-Ricks assemble line order document. I've used it on several cars and consider it to be one of the best tools I have ever found.
Not sure what you're referring to, but have me curious.. I'll go to his place and check it out...
Quote from: hemi68charger on March 10, 2020, 08:38:32 PM
Quote from: mopar346 on March 10, 2020, 02:25:55 PM
I may be late to the party on this and I know you know what you are doing but with the above assembly and order conversations I thought I'd mention Resto-Ricks assemble line order document. I've used it on several cars and consider it to be one of the best tools I have ever found.
Not sure what you're referring to, but have me curious.. I'll go to his place and check it out...
Where exactly was your car built?
We built Pilot Cars at Highland Park, not the assembly plant....
The bodies were welded together in the Pilot Plant, shipped to Road Test Garage and assembled from there.
So, what applies to a "production car" may not apply to an early pilot car.
OK, I'll elaborate. I know this site and the hobby is full of folks who know soooo much more than me that I try to be respectful and don't overstep my bounds so to speak. I know a little but am constantly trying to learn.
It is an order in which the cars were assembled and is created to Resto-Rick putting it together. It was given to me by a friend a number of years ago. There may be some plant variations but it is more about what goes in first, second, etc. There are 100 points including things like 96-100 being trunk matt, jack, spare tire.... In the past I might put something in and realize I should have put part X in first. This starts with a painted shell and assembles out by every parts. It has worked really well for me since I travel for living it allows me to set goals and prepare for the weeks I'm home and make sure I have the parts on hand. Some points are more broad like install dash assemble but then the engine assemble step is broken out into a, b, c..... K-member, control arms, strut rods, alternator....... you get the idea. I'm not sure about just posting it due to I'm not sure if Rick minds but in the same breathe I will admit to sharing it with people and I'll plead ignorance (many will defend me on this) if I have violated any copy rights. It is designed for Mopars but I have used it with other brands. I even color code it for things I've completed, things I might have my brother or friend do, things I Have to find parts for, etc., that helps me focus on the task at hand. I'm a checklist guy so it gives me comfort (checklist guys know exactly what I'm talking about). I cant state enough how this is truly one of the best tools I have ever found for building a car.
http://www.restorick.com/tech/topic.asp?TOPIC_ID=58
Yep, that would be it, mine is only slightly different but insignificantly. Minor like instead of install the heater hoses it says install neater hoses body side only, which of course makes sense since the engine isn't in it yet, mine could be the dummy proof edition. :shruggy:
Hello Troy, Great build thus far! I just finished with the F8 Charger 500 Special Edition 4spd and Jim Fosters Daytona 355109. We drove them to the 50Th anniversary from Wyoming. Just wondering, are you going with the steelies/hubcaps for wheels. I do know where a beautiful set of original w-23 wheels with redline tires are that may be for sale. PM me if interested.
Quote from: steve817 on March 13, 2020, 09:22:27 PM
Hello Troy, Great build thus far! I just finished with the F8 Charger 500 Special Edition 4spd and Jim Fosters Daytona 355109. We drove them to the 50Th anniversary from Wyoming. Just wondering, are you going with the steelies/hubcaps for wheels. I do know where a beautiful set of original w-23 wheels with redline tires are that may be for sale. PM me if interested.
Hey Steve.. Not going with the W23... The car never had them, none of the original 6 did, albeit they were code, they never were either delivered to Creative or left Creative with them on.. All, except one, to the best of my knowledge, came with the full 15" wheel covers (Monoco/Polara).. Thanks for the offer though. The guy I bought the 500 from had a complete set of NOS W23 wheels with the proper trim rings and lug nuts !!!!!
My vision was to have 15x8 black steelies with chrome lug nuts for daily/local driving but have a set of 15x6 steelies with redlines and the full wheel covers for big Mopar shows..
Stunning work Troy and others involved.
Loving the 'restorick' info, never seen that before!
Any pics of the F8 four speed SE car please Steve?
F8 forever and beyond... :2thumbs: :icon_smile_tongue: :icon_smile_tongue: :icon_smile_tongue:
Quote from: hemi68charger on March 14, 2020, 07:12:40 PM
Quote from: steve817 on March 13, 2020, 09:22:27 PM
Hello Troy, Great build thus far! I just finished with the F8 Charger 500 Special Edition 4spd and Jim Fosters Daytona 355109. We drove them to the 50Th anniversary from Wyoming. Just wondering, are you going with the steelies/hubcaps for wheels. I do know where a beautiful set of original w-23 wheels with redline tires are that may be for sale. PM me if interested.
Hey Steve.. Not going with the W23... The car never had them, none of the original 6 did, albeit they were code, they never were either delivered to Creative or left Creative with them on.. All, except one, to the best of my knowledge, came with the full 15" wheel covers (Monoco/Polara).. Thanks for the offer though. The guy I bought the 500 from had a complete set of NOS W23 wheels with the proper trim rings and lug nuts !!!!!
My vision was to have 15x8 black steelies with chrome lug nuts for daily/local driving but have a set of 15x6 steelies with redlines and the full wheel covers for big Mopar shows..
Repro recall wheel would look great.
Quote from: Mytur Binsdirti
Repro recall wheel would look great.
Cutting to the chase, I flat out don't like them. :icon_smile_big:.
Sold the last set I have on my Copper 500 I got from Danny...
I like them but would agree they might be an acquired taste.
W23 Warrior 15x8 'recalls' look 'mighty fine' to me! :smilielol:
Yeah and Danny was wanting to keep those W23 wheels too
Quote from: 69_500 on March 17, 2020, 07:27:22 PM
Yeah and Danny was wanting to keep those W23 wheels too
And I had them promised to a local friend before you mentioned you wanted them.. Told ya sorry back then..
How many sets were made by Speciality wheels?
Did they actually make any... :shruggy:
I know a guy who paid $5000 for four 7 x 15 '450' steels...
There was a time you could buy a running driving car with 450 rims for $5000... :icon_smile_big:
Shame my time machine has a faulty FLUX capacitor... :pullinghair:
I remember when that movie came out. I always wondered why they chose "88" mph. :coolgleamA:
Quote from: odcics2 on March 20, 2020, 08:12:41 AM
I remember when that movie came out. I always wondered why they chose "88" mph. :coolgleamA:
I understand the significance for you, but I would have chosen a different number.
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Quote from: odcics2 on March 20, 2020, 08:12:41 AM
I remember when that movie came out. I always wondered why they chose "88" mph. :coolgleamA:
It pegs the speedometer on one:
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Is this car really for sale or is this some kind of joke or scam? :scratchchin: :scratchchin: The way this car was talked about by the OP I never thought I'd see it for sale so soon and incomplete... :shruggy:
https://www.ebay.com/itm/1969-Dodge-Charger/264676255855?hash=item3d9fef286f:g:q4kAAOSw9rJed20u
Quote from: Y1CHARGER on March 23, 2020, 10:31:48 AM
Is this car really for sale or is this some kind of joke or scam? :scratchchin: :scratchchin: The way this car was talked about by the OP I never thought I'd see it for sale so soon and incomplete... :shruggy:
https://www.ebay.com/itm/1969-Dodge-Charger/264676255855?hash=item3d9fef286f:g:q4kAAOSw9rJed20u
WIW, as is?? :shruggy:
I guess we will find out when auction ends.
Troy is working his magic once again!
Quote from: Mytur Binsdirti on January 07, 2020, 08:23:55 AM
Looking good! :2thumbs:
At this rate, it'll only be a few more weeks before you're ready to put it up for sale. :nana:
Damn, I'm good. :lol:
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Edit: I don't wear this Turban for nothing!
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Quote from: white on March 23, 2020, 11:24:14 AM
I guess we will find out when auction ends.
Do you really think that a Reserve EBAY auction with shill bidding and non serious bidders that will hit the reserve and then retract their bid is going to let you know what it's worth??? I Doubt It :coolgleamA: Not to mention that in it's current state, I don't think it's worth the opening bid but doesn't hurt to try :shruggy:
Quote from: Mytur Binsdirti on March 23, 2020, 11:48:10 AM
Quote from: Mytur Binsdirti on January 07, 2020, 08:23:55 AM
Looking good! :2thumbs:
At this rate, it'll only be a few more weeks before you're ready to put it up for sale. :nana:
Damn, I'm good. :lol:
A true modern day legend in your own mind!
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Edit: I don't wear this Turban for nothing!
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Quote from: Mytur Binsdirti on March 23, 2020, 11:48:10 AM
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You didn't want me to disappoint you now did you?
Quote from: Y1CHARGER on March 23, 2020, 12:26:49 PM
Quote from: white on March 23, 2020, 11:24:14 AM
I guess we will find out when auction ends.
Do you really think that a Reserve EBAY auction with shill bidding and non serious bidders that will hit the reserve and then retract their bid is going to let you know what it's worth??? I Doubt It :coolgleamA: Not to mention that in it's current state, I don't think it's worth the opening bid but doesn't hurt to try :shruggy:
Exactly.. and if you knew me well enough my mantra of "Nothing ventured, nothing gained" has worked for me pretty well..... This isn't for your Mopar-ebaymotor-surfin'-dude. If ANYONE was to buy this car they would know exactly what it is.... I know what this car is and I ain't gonna give it away... If the gent with the T3 Hemi C500 is going for $289k, then heck, mine is right there in "value".... Plus, it has its status of being there with the 1st one built and the Bud L. video car....
Quote from: hemi68charger on March 24, 2020, 03:37:51 PM
You didn't want me to disappoint you now did you?
Thanks, I really appreciate that. :2thumbs:
Quote "If the gent with the T3 Hemi C500 is going for $289k, then heck, mine is right there in "value"...."
If $289k is such a great deal, shouldn't it be sold by now :scratchchin:
Quote from: Y1CHARGER on March 25, 2020, 02:08:32 PM
Quote "If the gent with the T3 Hemi C500 is going for $289k, then heck, mine is right there in "value"...."
If $289k is such a great deal, shouldn't it be sold by now :scratchchin:
Never said it was a great deal and that's why I placed the word value in quotation marks... Cars like mine are hard to benchmark a value and market trend since there isn't really a lot of examples to draw analysis from.. It's not like it is a Superbird where there are 8 for sale right now on just eBay....
Hi Troy, do you have a buy it now price? What is the reserve? Curious why you didn't list it for sale here or mention it in your thread yourself instead of everyone following this thread finding out second hand? Thanks and good luck with your sale or trade.
Troy didn't want to face the wrath of the Turban! Lol
so who won the office pool?
i lost out a couple of months ago.
Quote from: Moparpoolman on March 26, 2020, 08:34:19 AM
Hi Troy, do you have a buy it now price? What is the reserve? Curious why you didn't list it for sale here or mention it in your thread yourself instead of everyone following this thread finding out second hand? Thanks and good luck with your sale or trade.
As Pete eluded to, there are a few people here ( and on other boards that seem to think what they would do IF they were in a similar position would be something totally different, very judgmental ). I for one KNEW it would be brought up here and in that way, didn't want to let the turban down..
Quote from: chargervert on March 26, 2020, 09:10:16 AM
Troy didn't want to face the wrath of the Turban! Lol
Ohhhhh, I knew it would come regardless...... After all, not to stereotype, but most here probably check out ebaymotors on a regular basis.. Especially now with "stay home" orders......
Quote from: hemi68charger on March 26, 2020, 12:59:35 PM
After all, not to stereotype, but most here probably check out ebaymotors on a regular basis..
3 to 19 times a day! :yesnod:
Quote from: hemi68charger on March 26, 2020, 12:59:35 PM
didn't want to let the turban down..
(https://thumbs.gfycat.com/AppropriateImperturbableDore-small.gif)
This is the interesting conundrum. Many folks here nit pick every little detail on cars and such, and also then place value based on the criticism. I am interested in how much value is place on the excellent marketing approach being used. Is the paper worth much more then the car. This is not a survivor restored. It had a lot of non original parts, and the person restoring will probably have a lot of work to find date code originals for all those unique hemi parts if they want to get back to an OEM standard. Gold would probably be unobtainable now a days. So is that broadcast sheet worth 50 to 75K in value. Will be interesting to see. Good luck.
And we can do without the stupid videos cuts that are meaningless !! :Twocents: :no:
Quote from: Dragon Slayer on March 27, 2020, 08:48:36 AM
Is the paper worth much more then the car.
So is that broadcast sheet worth 50 to 75K in value.
My personal opinion is any/all paperwork is basically worthless, to me the value of the vehicle is determined by it's current condition and level of finish period, when purchasing... but there are those that will part with $$$ for factory paperwork
What I do find funny in the "hobby" is there will be those that will insist the paperwork "add$ value", but I'm sure these are the same people who also condemn others for "ransoming off (profiting)" from a buildsheet in their possession to a vehicle owner, claiming it should be "reunited" (given) to the current vehicle owner, who will basically use it to try and "profit" with it at a later date...
Mike
Quote from: DAY CLONA on March 27, 2020, 10:31:00 AM
... What I do find funny in the "hobby" is there will be those that will insist the paperwork "add$ value", but I'm sure these are the same people who also condemn others for "ransoming off (profiting)" from a buildsheet in their possession to a vehicle owner, claiming it should be reunited (given) to the current vehicle who will basically use it to try and "profit" with it at a later date...
Mike
Luckily, the BS for Richard's #610 car which the previous owner of mine had gave him the original BS found in my car for free.. Galen gave me my broadcast sheet basically for free too.. Funny how it all turned out. Richard found mine, gave to Galen, gave to me. Richard's found in my car by previous owner for which I hooked the 2 up, got back for free.
Mute point on mine anywho. With the current situation globally, mine isn't going anywhere and once the auction is over I am going to start ordering a LOT of parts for the car.. I have a good stash saved up for this...... Julius will come over and help me with the stripe, wheel well undercoating and painting my dash frame..
Quote from: hemi68charger on March 26, 2020, 06:00:45 AM
Quote from: Y1CHARGER on March 25, 2020, 02:08:32 PM
Quote "If the gent with the T3 Hemi C500 is going for $289k, then heck, mine is right there in "value"...."
If $289k is such a great deal, shouldn't it be sold by now :scratchchin:
Never said it was a great deal and that's why I placed the word value in quotation marks... Cars like mine are hard to benchmark a value and market trend since there isn't really a lot of examples to draw analysis from.. It's not like it is a Superbird where there are 8 for sale right now on just eBay....
For me personally you cant compare a 500 to a bird,, regardless of powertrain. IMO the wing trumps any 500.
Now, That said,,, having
THE or
ONE OF the very 1st hemi 500s trumps most any Bird except maybe a hemi bird in a good color. Provided the quality is on par with one another.
Would I pay more for this car over any other hemi 500, NO. And I say that because I personally dont care for a Charger , especially a 500 , regardless of power train.
Its all moot point anyway , Cars at this level are no longer within reach of the common man starting from ground zero ( aka ME )
Which is why i started looking at the 66-67 B body Plymouth's . And was on the hunt looking for a nice 67 GTX when the idea of a certain 66 Hemi Satellite popped into my head. And now I cant get it to go away.
Well said GTX6970!
As a fellow Plymouth man the Wingcar situation is a quandary indeed.
Plymouth Superbirds were very, very successful without a doubt, BUT I'd rather have a Daytona ANY DAY!
So like most 'older folks' we all had a chance to buy a wingcar.
But that ship has sailed for most recent Wingcar wanters.
I lucked into a project 4 speed C500 in 2004 and that was the last time I saw a reasonably priced Aero till 'Brownie C500' turned up a few weeks back.
If that never happened I would be more than happy to finish my 440 71 Gtx (with a hemi) and just 'dream' of a Daytona, of any sort... :drool5:
''Be careful what you wish for'' some dreams can turn into NIGHTMARES... :pigsfly:
Quote from: gtx6970 on March 28, 2020, 08:40:34 PM
...
For me personally you cant compare a 500 to a bird,, regardless of powertrain. IMO the wing trumps any 500.
Now, That said,,, having THE or ONE OF the very 1st hemi 500s trumps most any Bird except maybe a hemi bird in a good color. Provided the quality is on par with one another.
...
My thoughts exactly, that's why my 500 won't be replaced by any Superbird by itself other than a Superbird with a "R" in the VIN... And as it sits now, I will probably not be getting any Superbird (nor my old car that's been restored) any time soon.. So, then, with that, the ordering and rechroming begins for the 500..
Quote from: hemi68charger on March 29, 2020, 05:59:17 PM
Quote from: gtx6970 on March 28, 2020, 08:40:34 PM
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For me personally you cant compare a 500 to a bird,, regardless of powertrain. IMO the wing trumps any 500.
Now, That said,,, having THE or ONE OF the very 1st hemi 500s trumps most any Bird except maybe a hemi bird in a good color. Provided the quality is on par with one another.
...
My thoughts exactly, that's why my 500 won't be replaced by any Superbird by itself other than a Superbird with a "R" in the VIN... And as it sits now, I will probably not be getting any Superbird (nor my old car that's been restored) any time soon.. So, then, with that, the ordering and rechroming begins for the 500..
Your fooling yourself . You may as well back burner it cause your gonna trade it for something else eventially. Mynopinion
Quote from: Charger-Bodie on March 29, 2020, 06:02:46 PM
Quote from: hemi68charger on March 29, 2020, 05:59:17 PM
Quote from: gtx6970 on March 28, 2020, 08:40:34 PM
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For me personally you cant compare a 500 to a bird,, regardless of powertrain. IMO the wing trumps any 500.
Now, That said,,, having THE or ONE OF the very 1st hemi 500s trumps most any Bird except maybe a hemi bird in a good color. Provided the quality is on par with one another.
...
My thoughts exactly, that's why my 500 won't be replaced by any Superbird by itself other than a Superbird with a "R" in the VIN... And as it sits now, I will probably not be getting any Superbird (nor my old car that's been restored) any time soon.. So, then, with that, the ordering and rechroming begins for the 500..
Your fooling yourself . You may as well back burner it cause your gonna trade it for something else eventially. Mynopinion
Free country..... Free country.... Yes, who knows what I'll do.... Even if I do get it back together and it's finished, I may go on to do something else.... so many here, and other sites, seem to be worried about or have opinions on what someone else is going to do with their cars.... Guess it doesn't mean a damn thing that I've had my Daytona since 2007... Oh wait !!?? Does that mean I actually keep cars?
Fooling myself or not doesn't matter.. It matters what I do... If I kept to some people's opinion, I'd still be with the 318 73 Charger SE I bought in 1981.
Quote from: aerolith on March 16, 2020, 11:39:07 AM
Stunning work Troy and others involved.
Loving the 'restorick' info, never seen that before!
Any pics of the F8 four speed SE car please Steve?
F8 forever and beyond... :2thumbs: :icon_smile_tongue: :icon_smile_tongue: :icon_smile_tongue:
Just an FYI to support your point Troy. I flew down to look at Aerolith's F8 Green Hemi Charger 500 when it was for sale on ebay about a year and a half ago. The owner had the original build sheet and it was coded for the K-H recall wheels. I think it had a very early September scheduled build date too.
I remember seeing an ad for this #614 Hemi Charger 500 for sale before Troy purchased it. I'm pretty sure the asking price was $499,000 in the ad that I saw. Anyone still have that ad or is there a thread on here with it? If it's the same car which I'm pretty sure it is, it sounds like the purchase price was quite steep, add in the restoration costs and I can't even imagine how much of a loss there would be to sell it unless money is no object and love for the hobby is worth obscene amounts of money. :2thumbs:
found the thread
http://www.dodgecharger.com/forum/index.php/topic,131510.0.html
This ad was just posted 10 minutes ago near me
Is it real ??
Is it a known car ??
Let the debating begin icon_smile_big
I copied the pictures just in case but there is a fender tag picture
VIN XS29J9B110614
!!!!! **SUPER RARE **!!!!!!! 1969 CHARGER 500....#3
$499,999.99
INCREDIBLE BARN FIND!!!
1 OF THE FIRST 5 TO EXPERIMENT WITH!!!
complete car waiting for the right buyer
Car is currently in USA
MATCHING NUMBERS...426 HEMI
old link but where it was
https://www.kijiji.ca/v-classic-cars/city-of-toronto/super-rare-1969-charger-500-3/1330460512?enableSearchNavigationFlag=true
Quote from: RSI700VIPER on March 29, 2020, 07:52:56 PM
...The owner had the original build sheet and it was coded for the K-H recall wheels. I think it had a very early September scheduled build date too.
Thanks VIPER...
All 6 of the original Press Release Charger 500s were coded to have the W23 K-H's, but none never left with them on.... The guy I bought my 500 from has a complete set of NOS K-H wheels, trim rings and lug nuts I could get.. But why? 1st, the car didn't have them AND, for the amount of money for those rims I could practically restore the complete interior of the car..
Quote from: Y1CHARGER on March 29, 2020, 08:55:29 PM
I remember seeing an ad for this #614 Hemi Charger 500 for sale before Troy purchased it.
that is not the car that troy has
Quote from: RSI700VIPER on March 29, 2020, 07:52:56 PM
Quote from: aerolith on March 16, 2020, 11:39:07 AM
Stunning work Troy and others involved.
Loving the 'restorick' info, never seen that before!
Any pics of the F8 four speed SE car please Steve?
F8 forever and beyond... :2thumbs: :icon_smile_tongue: :icon_smile_tongue: :icon_smile_tongue:
Just an FYI to support your point Troy. I flew down to look at Aerolith's F8 Green Hemi Charger 500 when it was for sale on ebay about a year and a half ago. The owner had the original build sheet and it was coded for the K-H recall wheels. I think it had a very early September scheduled build date too.
If I recall, pun intended, the W-23 recall letters were dated September 13, 1969.
Quote from: held1823 on March 30, 2020, 08:16:13 AM
Quote from: Y1CHARGER on March 29, 2020, 08:55:29 PM
I remember seeing an ad for this #614 Hemi Charger 500 for sale before Troy purchased it.
that is not the car that troy has
Is there more than one XX29J9B110614 Hemi Charger 500 with the exact fender tag of XS29J9B110614??? If Not then it is the same car. Why do you say it is not?
Quote from: Y1CHARGER on March 30, 2020, 08:47:51 AM
Quote from: held1823 on March 30, 2020, 08:16:13 AM
Quote from: Y1CHARGER on March 29, 2020, 08:55:29 PM
I remember seeing an ad for this #614 Hemi Charger 500 for sale before Troy purchased it.
that is not the car that troy has
Is there more than one XX29J9B110614 Hemi Charger 500 with the exact fender tag of XS29J9B110614??? If Not then it is the same car. Why do you say it is not?
Maybe one is a phony. Retagged! :shruggy: :lol:
Quote from: Y1CHARGER on March 30, 2020, 08:47:51 AM
Quote from: held1823 on March 30, 2020, 08:16:13 AM
Quote from: Y1CHARGER on March 29, 2020, 08:55:29 PM
I remember seeing an ad for this #614 Hemi Charger 500 for sale before Troy purchased it.
that is not the car that troy has
Is there more than one XX29J9B110614 Hemi Charger 500 with the exact fender tag of XS29J9B110614??? If Not then it is the same car. Why do you say it is not?
won't say i can't be wrong, but troy's car was here in indiana for many, many years. i don't think it was ever in canada.
edit/correction. same car, the ad morphed to the canadian site along the way, but the car was here as i thought.
too many cars, too many vins for my old brain, that's why we keep danny on the payroll here
It is the same car that some "reseller" listed for 499K here in Canada when he found out about it.
Let's let Troy hopefully get back to restoring this car.... once he gets it further along it will sell easier! :icon_smile_big:
Quote from: birdsandbees on March 30, 2020, 12:53:40 PM
It is the same car that some "reseller" listed for 499K here in Canada when he found out about it.
Let's let Troy hopefully get back to restoring this car.... once he gets it further along it will sell easier! :icon_smile_big:
the gentleman who was trying to advertise the car for $499 was a buddy of Toms and he didn't live in Canada either. Chicago Illinois to be exact.
Quote from: held1823 on March 30, 2020, 08:16:13 AM
Quote from: Y1CHARGER on March 29, 2020, 08:55:29 PM
I remember seeing an ad for this #614 Hemi Charger 500 for sale before Troy purchased it.
that is not the car that troy has
It actually is.... :2thumbs:
Quote from: hemi68charger on March 30, 2020, 04:10:33 PM
Quote from: held1823 on March 30, 2020, 08:16:13 AM
Quote from: Y1CHARGER on March 29, 2020, 08:55:29 PM
I remember seeing an ad for this #614 Hemi Charger 500 for sale before Troy purchased it.
that is not the car that troy has
It actually is.... :2thumbs:
we've already established that, along with figuring out the confusion regarding canada
Quote from: held1823 on March 31, 2020, 02:32:27 AM
...
we've already established that, along with figuring out the confusion regarding canada
I know that.. Just having fun with this post as when it was created I had nothing to do with it........ Just having fun...... :nana:
Quote from: JB400 on March 21, 2020, 01:11:05 AM
Quote from: odcics2 on March 20, 2020, 08:12:41 AM
I remember when that movie came out. I always wondered why they chose "88" mph. :coolgleamA:
It pegs the speedometer on one:
(http://support.delorean.com/AvatarHandler.ashx?fid=8391&key=1926882518)
Funny, Back to the future was on the other night, The speedo on the car in the movie goes to 95mph and a line after that so 100mph
Quote from: white on March 23, 2020, 11:24:14 AM
I guess we will find out when auction ends.
So Whats it worth? $150,200.00 ?? We'll have to see what it goes up to when it's completed...
The virus has stalled the market on everything,so that auction result is not relevant.
https://barnfinds.com/original-hemi-pr-car-1969-dodge-charger-500/
Word gets around pretty good
The comments are a good read. :Twocents:
Quote from: Y1CHARGER on April 05, 2020, 09:34:08 AM
Quote from: white on March 23, 2020, 11:24:14 AM
I guess we will find out when auction ends.
So Whats it worth? $150,200.00 ?? We'll have to see what it goes up to when it's completed...
Yeah, now's not the time to benchmark classic car values...
For me, doesn't matter.. Told Julius to put my former Superbird on the market since I didn't sell the 500... Just ordered a buttload of parts for the initial stages of restoration.. Put the fuel and vent lines in yesterday.....
bumpers;
Picked up my freshly rechromed bumpers and bumperettes for the C500.. They look really good.. They have my door handles.. Will prefer to have the originals rechromed then the so-called NOS ones that are out there.. Really truck handles.
Bumpers are very nice .Did your door handles on the outside have black insted of chrome
Quote from: odcics2 on April 06, 2020, 10:45:18 AM
The comments are a good read. :Twocents:
Who's Chris Hoag?
Quote from: Mytur Binsdirti on April 12, 2020, 04:33:22 AM
Quote from: odcics2 on April 06, 2020, 10:45:18 AM
The comments are a good read. :Twocents:
Who's Chris Hoag?
Chris H
Chris Heige
Chris Haigh
Chris Hoag
Chris M
F6 Daytona
as well as a host of other handles on Brand X websites
I forget his Ebay handle at this moment, but he is one dude you don't want to cross paths with, unless you want to lose your money or parts, vehicle, Real Estate etc... he knows every angle and plays it extremely well, he tried a few games on me in the past with trying to purchase repro Wingcar parts, but I was a few steps ahead of him, for the ones he has scammed in/out of vehicles and Real Estate that thought they had their T's crossed and I's dotted, they where ripped off as well....
Regardless of how well informed or close knit the Mopar crowd is, he still continues to rip people off and get away with it.... he preys on other brand X owners as well, nobodies immune to him, he operates mostly out of his California residence, and if I recall has/had a place in Florida
Quote from: nascarxx29 on April 11, 2020, 08:25:02 PM
Bumpers are very nice .Did your door handles on the outside have black insted of chrome
yeap.. as they should be being an early production 500.
Quote from: hemi68charger on April 12, 2020, 11:20:28 AM
Quote from: nascarxx29 on April 11, 2020, 08:25:02 PM
Bumpers are very nice .Did your door handles on the outside have black insted of chrome
yeap.. as they should be being an early production 500.
Door handles? I don't need no stinking door handles! :lol:
Quote from: odcics2 on April 14, 2020, 11:12:51 AM
Door handles? I don't need no stinking door handles! :lol:
well, that may be for a 1970 Charger... :-)
Quote from: Mytur Binsdirti on April 12, 2020, 04:33:22 AM
Isn't that the guy that somehow managed to trade a fake 2009 SRT Challenger (was a V6 with an engine cover on it) for a really nice Superbird clone with a 426 Hemi in it? Pretty sure he got away with it too.
Those bumpers look great, do you sharing what it set you back to have them done versus replaced? My bumpers are straight but not so pretty. The car will be a driver, so I don't need concours, but dont' want to buy China junk if that's what the new ones are.
Quote from: Wakko on April 14, 2020, 11:58:30 AM
Those bumpers look great, do you sharing what it set you back to have them done versus replaced? ...
I paid $920 for the bumpers and bumperettes... Many of the other shops around here were wanting to charge between $650-750 per bumper !!! I was told that the AMD units are so bad, but always prefer to have my originals. That is why they have my door handles. I believe I'm going to take them my inside door handles as well along with the door window vent glass base. I just took delivery of the window vent frame kit by Tony's parts.. They look great...
No updates for 10 days. Can someone close by perform a wellness check?
:yesnod:
Last activity on the site was 6 pm yesterday, so he was at least well enough to post. Not sure his business but I'm shutdown so personally accomplishing a lot in the quarantine. Unfortunately feeling guilty about every non-essential dollar I'm spending. Stay safe folks.
Quote from: mopar346 on April 25, 2020, 05:26:46 AM
Last activity on the site was 6 pm yesterday, so he was at least well enough to post.
I wasn't thinking about Troy, I was referring to the car.
:icon_smile_big:
Quote from: Mytur Binsdirti on April 25, 2020, 06:11:52 AM
Quote from: mopar346 on April 25, 2020, 05:26:46 AM
Last activity on the site was 6 pm yesterday, so he was at least well enough to post.
I wasn't thinking about Troy, I was referring to the car.
:icon_smile_big:
Ohhh,, Well,,
I got all the brake and fuel lines, fuel tank, straps, hardware, new window vent frames from Tony's, having the original exterior door handles, vent window frames, interior door handles all rechromed and making a list for Legendary. That puppy won't be cheap with those cloth/vinyl seat covers. Also got a new window motor for the power window system to see how that will work with brand new motors.. So, a lot going on, just not on the car yet.... This working full time from home is cramping my style in messing with the car.
Nice self-indulgence day today working on my 500. Went and got my original door handles, both inside and out, from the rechrome shop here in Houston.. I prefer to go the extra mile and get the original components rechromed. The handles came out great. Cleaned up the latch linkage and even saved the original black gaskets. Fits and looks perfect. Addition.. Man, that Charger fuel cap looks great.. Found an NOS version..
Looks like you have some thickness on the door where the door lock goes in
Hope you can get the drive cleat on the lock from the inside without mucking up the paint and cracking it around the edge on the out side . Ask me how I know :eek2:
Quote from: 70 sublime on May 10, 2020, 09:46:04 AM
Looks like you have some thickness on the door where the door lock goes in
Hope you can get the drive cleat on the lock from the inside without mucking up the paint and cracking it around the edge on the out side . Ask me how I know :eek2:
I had to clean up some around the opening of the handle studs and it was easy. But, I know what you're referring to.. :2thumbs:
Fuel tank time....
What are you using for tank J bolts?
Those look a mile long
Progress looks very good, but every time I see a thread update after a long absence, I can't help but think that I'm going to read about a new sale/trade is in the works instead of seeing progress.
;)
Quote from: gtx6970 on May 17, 2020, 08:13:46 PM
What are you using for tank J bolts?
Those look a mile long
I frankly got them from rockauto... If there's a better more accurate item let me know.. I've been stir-crazy with parts ordering with this 70 Barracuda convertible Gran Coupe... Who do you get yours from? I'm not against getting another pair of more accurate versions...
Although Im not 100% convinced the bolts were green when new
https://www.megapartsusa.com/proddetail.php?prod=MP-GT8131
IMO a better option and more OE correct
http://www.billrolikenterprises.com/proddetail.asp?prod=2643824%2DP2
the source I used to get them from in bulk
AMKproducts.com
Maybe they sold Troy battery hold downs? :smilielol:
Quote from: gtx6970 on May 18, 2020, 05:33:10 PM
Although Im not 100% convinced the bolts were green when new
https://www.megapartsusa.com/proddetail.php?prod=MP-GT8131
IMO a better option and more OE correct
http://www.billrolikenterprises.com/proddetail.asp?prod=2643824%2DP2
the source I used to get them from in bulk
AMKproducts.com
I got the green ones.. But, I do think Bill is correct.. Not that I'm some fuel tank j-bolt Guru, but I don't recall ever seeing j-bolts with a green hue to them..
Quote from: odcics2 on May 19, 2020, 08:47:34 AM
Maybe they sold Troy battery hold downs? :smilielol:
Whatcha talkin' 'bout Willis?
Operation 69 Charger 500; radiator core support black-out treatment.
Had a bug up my Mopar butt today.. Jumped right in and tried not to over-think this as it should be done. As always, took pictures of the area upon disassembly.
:2thumbs: :coolgleamA: :popcrn:
:2thumbs:
Isn't the grille support supposed to be bolted in first, before blackout? :popcrn:
No fault on Troy, just inquiry.
Looks good Troy. Can't wait to see this bad boy pounding pavement.
What's the trick to not getting over spray on everything around it?
Quote from: JB400 on May 30, 2020, 09:56:59 PM
Isn't the grille support supposed to be bolted in first, before blackout? :popcrn:
No fault on Troy, just inquiry.
Not that I'm aware of. In all the 2nd generations I have own, I don't recall any flat black being on the grille header panel.. Plus, not sure how the assembly line worker can get good coverage on the core support if the header is in the way..
Quote from: Moparpoolman on June 01, 2020, 06:10:04 AM
What's the trick to not getting over spray on everything around it?
I didn't over-think it actually. I taped off all the holes in the core support and the radiator opening and began painting.. The spray pattern of the can I used was pretty tight. There was a little overspray on the horizontal support of the core support. It did not totally duplicate the original pattern with slight overspray at the corners by the fender junction, so I'll probably apply some more to get that.. I didn't mask off any part of the fenders.. Painted laid where it laid..
Operation Rookie-mistake on HEMI 500;
Had to tinker with the ole girl.. Put the bumper on and that went real easy, then the lower valance... Then.... Duh !!!!! I forgot to put the lower bumperette brace on the bumper brackets.. Lordy.. So, off comes the lower valance.. Later on this week.. But, she looks great. Still need to put the end-of-bumper supports to level it out..
And I ALMOST opened my mouth and said you gotta put the grille in the frame / carrier before you put the carrier in the car.
Quote from: Moparpoolman on June 01, 2020, 06:10:04 AM
What's the trick to not getting over spray on everything around it?
The trick is to have a few beers, spray and let the overspray happen randomly :)
Quote from: maxwellwedge on June 02, 2020, 09:47:08 AM
Quote from: Moparpoolman on June 01, 2020, 06:10:04 AM
What's the trick to not getting over spray on everything around it?
The trick is to have a few beers, spray and let the overspray happen randomly :)
... then have some more beers.........
Quote from: hemi68charger on June 02, 2020, 09:54:29 AM
Quote from: maxwellwedge on June 02, 2020, 09:47:08 AM
Quote from: Moparpoolman on June 01, 2020, 06:10:04 AM
What's the trick to not getting over spray on everything around it?
The trick is to have a few beers, spray and let the overspray happen randomly :)
... then have some more beers.........
Thank you AB - Great suggestion :cheers:
While studying the Bud Linderman 1969 Dodge Charger 500 426 Hemi video to get any nuisances about my 500 I discovered for the 1st time, and I have watched it many times, but the negative battery cable engine connection isn't at the head like it is most widely seen, but to the water pump...... mmmmmmmm :coolgleamA:
hate to do it like that, but it is clear as clean tap water
Here are the unique headlamp buckets installed to facilitate the 68 Coronet grille
Are those head light buckets just the part out of the Coronet fenders so the grill matches ?
Quote from: 70 sublime on June 17, 2020, 08:28:39 AM
Are those head light buckets just the part out of the Coronet fenders so the grill matches ?
I think that is the starting point.. To make them work for the 500, they added it seems the top and bottom mount taps to attach it to the top and bottom parts of the original grille header. On my 2nd Charger 500 I got from Pete, it was missing an original headlamp bucket. So, I found someone with a rusty 68 Coronet fender and had them cut the headlamp bucket section out.. There ya go.. Make the mounting tabs, attach them and you have a Charger 500 bucket within reason.
I'm thinking that engine was "breathed on" by Chrysler after assembly....as were many (all?) production cars that went to the media for testing.
That's my guess on the incorrect battery cable mounting.
Quote from: maxwellwedge on June 17, 2020, 10:52:54 AM
I'm thinking that engine was "breathed on" by Chrysler after assembly....as were many (all?) production cars that went to the media for testing.
That's my guess on the incorrect battery cable mounting.
Question.. Put it back as seen in the video (obvious how it was delivered from Creative) or do it the proper production way.. Mmmmmmm?
I say the way the evidence points to it being fromCreative. :Twocents:
Quote from: Ghoste on June 18, 2020, 04:17:46 AM
I say the way the evidence points to it being fromCreative. :Twocents:
There doesn't seem to be any evidence in those images that the negative cable was ever bolted to the head, the area is all painted.........
Quote from: hemi68charger on June 18, 2020, 06:20:46 AM
Quote from: Ghoste on June 18, 2020, 04:17:46 AM
I say the way the evidence points to it being fromCreative. :Twocents:
There doesn't seem to be any evidence in those images that the negative cable was ever bolted to the head, the area is all painted.........
I noticed that. I still say that engine....at the least was dyno tuned....if not all out blueprinted. Manufacturers wanted to be sure the media got good performance numbers. Tough call. It wasn't the first Hemi built - and they all had the negative bolted to be where they should be.
I would go with the "as tested" video. You have the proof....stir it up a little!
Exactly. :lol:
rear bumper and harness..
Thanks to Jaime at Mega Parts, the rear taillamp harness came in.. Nice, so I was able to install it and get the bumper on.. Man, nice touch of new chrome..
Operation Hemi C500; front fender fillers.
Yesterday I continued with the mock up of the grille assembly on my 500. This is focused on the unique front fender fillers that were used to cover up the gap left behind with the switching of the production 69 Charger grille with the 68 Coronet. I still need to paint the bezel, it is supposed to be solid black on a 500, not with the hash marks. Also, the leading edge is supposed to have a rubber push-on, just not on right now. Still need to paint the fillers.
If someone has extra original rubber strips they would be willing to let go would like an opportunity..
Maybe a source for 500 bezel t shape rubber filler need dimensions to look up
https://www.google.com/amp/s/m.alibaba.com/amp/product/60350519613.html
https://www.minorrubber.com/extruded-rubber-profile-tubing.html
Quote from: nascarxx29 on July 23, 2020, 11:40:46 AM
Maybe a source for 500 bezel t shape rubber filler need dimensions to look up
https://www.google.com/amp/s/m.alibaba.com/amp/product/60350519613.html
https://www.minorrubber.com/extruded-rubber-profile-tubing.html
Thanks David.. Those are good alternative sites.. Maybe that's were Mike got his..... I have a pair of them already, just didn't have them installed. The originals or sort of like the oval shaped ones from the minorrubber site. The distinctive physical thing about the original rubber strips was they have ribs in the rubber, similar to the wiper hoses on our vintage mopars....... Maybe Danny can post an original?
Mirror rubber's oval U-channel's are the best alternative I was able to find too, but the originals, besides the ridges, are also quite flat and not really an oval shaped.
https://www.minorrubber.com/oval-shaped-u-channel.html
Quote from: RallyeMike on July 24, 2020, 01:02:08 AM
Mirror rubber's oval U-channel's are the best alternative I was able to find too, but the originals, besides the ridges, are also quite flat and not really an oval shaped.
https://www.minorrubber.com/oval-shaped-u-channel.html
Mike, which model did you get?
I used one that was too large, not having an example to measure by. At the time, I was settling for anything close hoping to come across NOS someday.
I believe that 19877 (1/8x 3/8) is the closest dimensionally to original size (about 1/8 x 5/16). The shape is all wrong, but I could not find anything close to the originals that look like this:
Oh Troy,
Not mine or do I know the seller.
https://www.ebay.com/itm/1967-68-69-70-71-DODGE-A-100-PICKUP-CHRYSLER-PLYMOUTH-HUBCAPS-WHEEL-COVERS-MOPAR-/193139297867
Quote from: gtx6970 on July 25, 2020, 08:47:43 AM
Oh Troy,
Not mine or do I know the seller.
https://www.ebay.com/itm/1967-68-69-70-71-DODGE-A-100-PICKUP-CHRYSLER-PLYMOUTH-HUBCAPS-WHEEL-COVERS-MOPAR-/193139297867
Thanks Bud, but the Press Release car, for those 5 of 6 I believe, got the Monoco/Polara full wheel covers... I have one NOS version, looking for 3 more.. I have some nice older used ones.... But, would like 3 more NOS
I sold a full set of 4 of those to Ron Adair many years ago. All 4 were nos still in brown paper wrappers / bags
You might just try Greg and see if by some weird chance he still has them.
never know , you just might get lucky
Messed with the grille, fender fillers, door and grille emblem attachment.
The fender fillers are sanded, primed and painted them installed with the rubber edge on one side. Then I reinstalled the replated door latches and strikers. Julius and I took our stuff to a local guy.. Did ok, not stellar. Then messed with the Charger and 500 script on the grille. Very unique way of installing. Take the emblem, shove an aluminum tube on it to give the peg extra length to go through the grille and have the ability to install push-on retaining nuts from the backside. Here's my car in the Bud Linderman video for reference. Thanks to Tom Race
at R/T Specialties for having the kit for the 2 emblems.. Unfortunately has to drill out the aluminum extensions to fit over the emblem bag and one didn't survive the drilling. Luckily, brake tubing is pretty much the same diameter. I had some old brake lines just laying around. The steel may be too hard for the push-on nuts, but I will try. May have to go get some aluminum tubing to do it right.
A big shout out to Wayne Perkins for getting me a COMPLETE heater box for my 500... AND original 69 Charger 500 front fender filler rubber molding... That is a big one for that original component spirit I am trying to provide for this 500. Big deal to me. Being that I know what they look like it always bugs me when I don't have that. The reproduction rubber strip is on the left and the 2 on the right are original..
Also from Bruce Somer on the restoration of my 3speed wiper, thanks to Tony DAgostino for finding for the exact date code wiper I needed for my 500..
Very cool !!!! lookin great Troy !!
should the wiper date code be closer to 2348? :scratchchin:
Quote from: hemi-hampton on August 05, 2020, 07:07:17 PM
should the wiper date code be closer to 2348? :scratchchin:
Nope. I got information from Danny and I have spoken to Richard who owns car 925000. His 500 and the other two Danny knows about all have wipers with a date code of 197. So, when 3 of the 4 known original 6 Press Release cars have 1978 as a date code, I'm going with that. Still can't believe Tony had one laying around......
Troy,
It is great that you found a 197 8 date coded wiper motor!
Having a car built in a early batch with other survivors will help you a lot to confirm correct parts.
MJ
I guess I forgot or didn't consider the month it sat at Creative being converted to a 500 :scratchchin: :shruggy:
Operation Heater box Charger 500;
Haven't updated in a while since I have been in a slight hiatus with my Hemi C500....
Pretty much done.. Just have to hook up my cables.. And nope, didn't paint the cable brackets silver.. Just left them natural and coated them after cleaning with a clear anti-corrosion spray..
My little part-number stamp comes in handy again for its purpose..
Looking good Troy!! :yesnod:
Curt
Quote from: hemi68charger on August 21, 2020, 03:55:54 PM
Operation Heater box Charger 500;
Haven't updated in a while since I have been in a slight hiatus with my Hemi C500....
Pretty much done.. Just have to hook up my cables.. And nope, didn't paint the cable brackets silver.. Just left them natural and coated them after cleaning with a clear anti-corrosion spray..
My little part-number stamp comes in handy again for its purpose..
Heater box? One thing I don't have to worry about!
Operation control arms;
Today spent some time on the restoration it the control arms of my Hemi Charger 500. Using the PST LCA bushing. Still need to install the upper control support collar on each unit. I used Krylon Battery Protector to coat then sprayed with Matte Clear. For me it duplicates the Cosmoline good.
Operation 8 3/4 differential in my C500;
Here are some pictures of the rear axle housing for my 69 Charger 500. I also include pictures from my friend's 69 Charger R/T SE equipped with a 3.55 sure-grip. I can see where his housing reflects 591, which will be on his broadcast sheet, my stenciling, based on the broadcast sheet should be 592. It is my understanding that would be 3.23 sure-grip.
His third member has quite the paint codes and I am sure all that equates to 3.55 sure-grip. What would the 3.23 equivalent be? He has the white circle with an "X" which, if I recall means the sure-grip or the housing has been filled with gear lube. What's up with the big yellow "B"? What I am basically getting to in the stenciling/markings I would expect on a 3.23 sure-grip on a Hemi Car(not it matters). My friend's axle housing also has some white stenciling on the other tube. What's up with that?
Looking great Troy. With a Hemi I am surprised by the 8 and 3/4 rear, but I guess it is because it's maybe an automatic transmission?
Quote from: taxspeaker on September 27, 2020, 11:21:20 AM
Looking great Troy. With a Hemi I am surprised by the 8 and 3/4 rear, but I guess it is because it's maybe an automatic transmission?
Mopar circle track race cars all used an 8 3/4.
Quote from: taxspeaker on September 27, 2020, 11:21:20 AM
Looking great Troy. With a Hemi I am surprised by the 8 and 3/4 rear, but I guess it is because it's maybe an automatic transmission?
Yeap, for this application.... Now, it isn't always the case.. If the car would have been built with the A32 Super High Performance Package, 4.10 gear ratio with a 727, you would have gotten the Dana 60. The auto version is akin the the A34 Super Track Pak 4.10 Dana60 4speed configuration. I have owned a A32 C500 and my Daytona is a A32 car. The 3.23 and 3.55 ration 727 cars all received the 8.75 differential.
Heck, my 1st '68 Hemi Charger R/T I had years ago was a 727, 8.75 3.23 with an OPEN rear.. Didn't even have a sure-grip....
Quote from: hemi68charger on September 27, 2020, 08:10:26 AM
Operation 8 3/4 differential in my C500;
Here are some pictures of the rear axle housing for my 69 Charger 500. I also include pictures from my friend's 69 Charger R/T SE equipped with a 3.55 sure-grip. I can see where his housing reflects 591, which will be on his broadcast sheet, my stenciling, based on the broadcast sheet should be 592. It is my understanding that would be 3.23 sure-grip.
His third member has quite the paint codes and I am sure all that equates to 3.55 sure-grip. What would the 3.23 equivalent be? He has the white circle with an "X" which, if I recall means the sure-grip or the housing has been filled with gear lube. What's up with the big yellow "B"? What I am basically getting to in the stenciling/markings I would expect on a 3.23 sure-grip on a Hemi Car(not it matters). My friend's axle housing also has some white stenciling on the other tube. What's up with that?
The big yellow B i'm pretty sure it designates to be used in B-Body cars. The white Stenciling with x & numbers on housing tube should be date & that date or similar date should be under a rib or fin on 3rd member. a orange dab after the 3 colors used to designate the gear ratio should mean sure grip which can also be found near filler hole. I'd have to refer to my old notes on what 3 colors dabs you should have for a 3:23. LEON.
pics for example.
3.23...light blue
:popcrn:
Very nice work there Troy!
Unfortunately your WM is a 1978...(should be a 68) :scratchchin: :slap: :smilielol:
And the front spring brackets are backwards too... :shruggy: ::) :RantExplode:
Are you in touch with Julius these days?
I need to send him my spare set of wide pad hemi rockers.
John
Quote from: aerolith on September 30, 2020, 08:37:10 AM
Very nice work there Troy!
Unfortunately your WM is a 1978...(should be a 68) :scratchchin: :slap: :smilielol:
And the front spring brackets are backwards too... :shruggy: ::) :RantExplode:
Are you in touch with Julius these days?
I need to send him my spare set of wide pad hemi rockers.
John
- 1978 is the 197th day of 1968.... That is exactly what Richards 925000 car has (the survivor in multiple magazines).. Wait, I think you are pulling my leg... ;D
- If you are referring to the picture of the springs connected to a housing, that was hemi-hampton's reference picture, not mine.
I speak to Julius usually on a daily basis of not a couple times a week....
Quote from: aerolith on September 30, 2020, 08:37:10 AM
Very nice work there Troy!
Unfortunately your WM is a 1978...(should be a 68) :scratchchin: :slap: :smilielol:
And the front spring brackets are backwards too... :shruggy: ::) :RantExplode:
Are you in touch with Julius these days?
I need to send him my spare set of wide pad hemi rockers.
John
The front Spring Bracket freely rotates back & forth when not bolted in the car. In that pic it was just pushed back. it would take 2 seconds to grab it by the hand & rotate it forward. Here's pics of them in different rotated positions. :shruggy:
are the the correct U bolts for the rear axel ??
Quote from: 69 500 on September 30, 2020, 07:41:09 PM
are the the correct U bolts for the rear axel ??
OEM is slightly flattened on top with "xxxxxxx" on the underside to grip the axle.
I found NOS ones, 9" long for the #88. It ran 1.5" lowering blocks in it for the 200 mph record run.
Hard to find those long Mopar u bolts... The original 88 axle had plenty of witness marks on it: xxxxxxxxxxx.......
FYI - 88 uses rear shackles that are stock B Body station wagon. Offset on the upper side.
so in other words those are not the correct U bolts.
What's your point and who's work are you picking on? Show us some pics of yours..
No wonder guys stop sharing their work and get off these forums!
Which of these U bolt pics do you think show the correct bolt??
Quote from: birdsandbees on October 01, 2020, 08:59:18 PM
What's your point and who's work are you picking on? Show us some pics of yours..
No wonder guys stop sharing their work and get off these forums!
Which of these U bolt pics do you think show the correct bolt??
Yeah, Thanks, that is why I stopped posting pics. I post a Resto Pic and somebody always sez something like is that the correct anchor marking on the top of those bolts? To answer his Question, The owner of the 69 Roadrunner I restored decided to go out a buy new Super Stock Leaf Springs kit with the brackets, U-Bolts ect., ect., all bought together from Mancini Racing here in Fraser Michigan. Since I & the Roadrunner owner live close by to Mancini Racing & deal with them all the time it's convienant for us to pick up any part we need in person from them. Not sure if you ever heard of Mancini Racing or are familiar with them. Anyways I let the Customers do what they want & do what they tell me. After he took car Home he spray bombed alot of stuff under hood wrong color, ect, ect. I told him that & that is wrong but he was convinced he did it right. Then when he takes to show & people see my name on it they assume I spray bombed stuff & did stuff wrong, not the owner. Sabotaged. The owner of this car was less concerned with 100% correctness then I was. And some people have no desire to look & wait 10 years to find NOS parts that are going to cost them 10,000 times the price of a non correct part. This car was no $100k+ 100 point Mopar Nats,ect, ect show car but a low budget Resto.He was very happy when car was done. it's no trailer Queen, He enjoys driving it often. It was good enough for Chrysler to invite him to the Chrysler Display Parking lot at Woodward Cruise (along with my E5 red 70 T/A Challenger) Probably helped he worked at the Chrysler Museum. :shruggy: :Twocents: :slap:
Very Nice
what i did was ask a question , as the pics dont show a lot of detail and i got an inderict answer so the second question was asked to clarify , and bye the way i was not asking you . and yea know wonder people quit posting there work when people like you jump in the middle of a conversation and start assuming the worst .
rehrenberg sells the correct u bolts on ebay.
There is a diagram showing the difference between
MoPar oem and aftermarket.
Posted Rick's info below.
Quote from: 69 500 on October 02, 2020, 02:34:23 PM
what i did was ask a question , as the pics dont show a lot of detail and i got an inderict answer so the second question was asked to clarify , and bye the way i was not asking you . and yea know wonder people quit posting there work when people like you jump in the middle of a conversation and start assuming the worst .
If you were talking to me I didn't answer your question directly because I didn't want to have to explain why I didn't use the Factory Original. But it looks like I did now anyways. SO, The answer s NO, They are not factory original u-bolts. And for anybody that wants to ask, is that funny looking purple & blue anodized looking ends on those Emergency Brake Cable original? The answer is NO. How about posting pics of your Roger Gibson Type OEM 100% Correct Restoration your doing on your 69 500. :shruggy:
well actually ,the question would be who are you ? i believe my questions were directed to photos prevoius to my post. and i'm pretty sure yours is not the car in the post. unless Troy has 2 avatars. now as far as my Charger 500 and I do have one is not in a current restoration status is yours? Now for some reason you must believe that you are a Super hero sent to defend the helpless, the last I checked most People from the Armed Forces were not helpless. however if you would be so kind as to post your address I would love the oppertunity to show you my Kryptonite collection. Now as for the Questions i asked for some strange reason you have taken offence and the car in question is not yours . So why don't you save your super powers for a worthy cause for something like saving the universe , instead of trying to make a mountain out of a mole hill.
:grouphug:
Quote from: 69 500 on October 02, 2020, 09:42:04 PM
well actually ,the question would be who are you ? i believe my questions were directed to photos prevoius to my post. and i'm pretty sure yours is not the car in the post. unless Troy has 2 avatars. now as far as my Charger 500 and I do have one is not in a current restoration status is yours? Now for some reason you must believe that you are a Super hero sent to defend the helpless, the last I checked most People from the Armed Forces were not helpless. however if you would be so kind as to post your address I would love the oppertunity to show you my Kryptonite collection. Now as for the Questions i asked for some strange reason you have taken offence and the car in question is not yours . So why don't you save your super powers for a worthy cause for something like saving the universe , instead of trying to make a mountain out of a mole hill.
SO, You were talking to Troy? Looking at the all the rear end pics Troy Posted I did not see any U-Bolts in his Pics, So who are you talking to? Who are you asking are those U-Bolts correct or Factory? :shruggy:
Troy - I love the work you're doing on the 500, keep it up, and keep the pics coming :2thumbs:
Yep the factory U-Bolts were flattened over the arch with an inside knurl.
Most were 'cut-off' by drag-racing folks as the threads were always rusted away and brittle, then replaced for new ones!
Some folks go stainless where ever possible to allow for easy disassembley in the future.
Only problem with stainless it is softer and can stretch when over torqued...
I will go and look at mine on the C500 to see if they have been changed too?
Good to hear that you and Julius are keeping well in Houstonland. :cheers: :cheers: :cheers:
ps only pulling ya on the WM and axle lol :slap: :smilielol: :pity:
I was gonna say ''Houston we have a problem'' but that's worn a little thin these days... :scratchchin:
Hi Troy,
Just checked mine again and yep they is flat across the top!
Dana-60 Axle has never been out in over 50 years...
That's dana reliability for you lol... :2thumbs: :patriot: :drive:
Quote from: hemi-hampton on October 04, 2020, 06:29:20 PM
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SO, You were talking to Troy? Looking at the all the rear end pics Troy Posted I did not see any U-Bolts in his Pics, So who are you talking to? Who are you asking are those U-Bolts correct or Factory? :shruggy:
FYI, I haven't posted pictures of my stuff.. Here's a picture of my:
1. springs (not painted black then)/
2. shock plates (powdercoated natural by Mike Ross)
3. front hangers left original natural with clear corrosion coating
4. rear shackles left original natural with clear corrosion coating
Installed in the car.. I will do further date code stampings/markings with time as I get the proper stencils.. Just nice to get the leaf springs and housing out of the way on the floor.
5. U-bolts, proper stamped-flat bends left natural with clear corrosion coating
looking good Troy, shame it weren't a dana 60... :slap: :smilielol: :flush:
Quote from: aerolith on October 06, 2020, 01:28:31 PM
looking good Troy, shame it weren't a dana 60... :slap: :smilielol: :flush:
8.75 is just fine.. All my former 3 500's were Dana cars and so is my Daytona. I have had my fair share of Danas... Plus, a lot easier to swap out gears on a 8.75...
Hopefully not too Off-Topic, or too basic a question, but why is a Dana so much better? If they would originally put the 8.75 axle with the Hemi, it must be able to withstand the torque/power. I thought the Dana axle was heavy-duty, but doesn't it reach a limit where it is sufficient even with the 8.75 axle?
I mean, at some point doesn't the strength of the other components start to factor in?
Quote from: ksquared on October 07, 2020, 09:30:02 AM
Hopefully not too Off-Topic, or too basic a question, but why is a Dana so much better? If they would originally put the 8.75 axle with the Hemi, it must be able to withstand the torque/power. I thought the Dana axle was heavy-duty, but doesn't it reach a limit where it is sufficient even with the 8.75 axle?
I mean, at some point doesn't the strength of the other components start to factor in?
I think it is the dump-the-clutch protection and for those high-acceleration impacts of a car with a 4.10 ratio (back then I don't think there was a 4.10 8.75 option, it was in a Dana 60). The ring gear is bigger on a Dana 60 over a 8.75. The axles I believe were the same diameter..
Exactly Troy.
It all goes back the the mid sixties and stick cars!
Dropping the clutch at 5000rpm did little good to the poor quality 8 3/4's back then... :slap:
So an easy fix was to install a truck dana with 4.10's, 4.56' etc.
I've seen many a shattered gear set in 8 3/4 axles even with an automatic trans.
So they made 'soft gears' to overcome the breakages, which are too soft for street use.
Axle flex and gear separation also factor in 8-3/4's, thats why most folks go 9-inch frauds.
They have an extra pinion support for the 'gear set', which seems to be the answer?
Now they are saying too much ''unsprung weight'' is 'bad too',,, so dana's are out of fashion now... :eek2:
So what's the answer, don't drag race and leave the car in the garage, its good for the environment... :'( :'( :'(
Quote from: aerolith on October 08, 2020, 04:07:16 AM
Exactly Troy.
...
So what's the answer, don't drag race and leave the car in the garage, its good for the environment... :'( :'( :'(
For the purpose I'll have, the 8.75 will do just fine....... The Daytona's Dana I'll just say has had it's turn of stress..
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q-0jrgQAdAM
looks awesome ! nice work :cheers: :popcrn:
Working on the girl this weekend. Installed the roof jute, seems my kit was missing a third middle section. Routed the dome light harness and reinstalled the rear headliner retaining teeth section around the rear window. As you can see, this is how Creative Industries created a off-the-cuff solution for the modified rear window headliner area due to the modified rear window plug. Simple washers and actually used 2 3" oval head screws with 4 washers on the ends and the ones in between are door sill plate screws and 3 washers.
1st is pre-resto
What are all the extra little holes for around where the screws with the washers are ?
They were not sure where they needed the holes and just made lots and then choose the best one ??
Quote from: 70 sublime on October 13, 2020, 09:18:52 AM
What are all the extra little holes for around where the screws with the washers are ?
They were not sure where they needed the holes and just made lots and then choose the best one ??
I am wondering too......... there is no evidence they were there before..... Sooooooo, I need to call my body shop to see if they did anything.. I'll look at other pictures pre-body work and see if the holes were there but filled in the 50 years of dust and possible roof insulation...
Just checked.. The holes were all there before. I would guess it was the testing of the modifications needed for the repositioning of the headliner in the rear..
So your car was the practice car :2thumbs:
Quote from: 70 sublime on October 13, 2020, 11:11:01 AM
So your car was the practice car :2thumbs:
Guarantee they learned a lot in the modifications of the pilot 68 car and the 1st 6 Press Release cars mine is a part of...
Weekend update; 69 Hemi Charger 500.
Cleaned and freshened up the parking brake assembly and repainting original pull-handle. Prefer to use as many of the original parts and fasteners possible.
Just received my latches and strikers back from getting them replated. The local effort was bad, so went with a gent who Bill Woessner referred to me. They came out pretty good. Wanted to emphasis the need to apply some lithium grease to the slide block. If the door won't shut all the way once all installed it is probably the white block is not sliding back when the door shuts. Just lub it up, push in a few times and all should be good... Oh wait? Did I just say that? 😱😁
I did and the DOOR shuts fine.
Look Nice :2thumbs:
Operation Hemi C500 booster;
Touched off some painting details on the booster and installed it.. My shelves are getting thinner. Have to get the gold cad nut on the back plate yet.. Even have the correct master cylinder cap for the thing.
Troy...loose the gasket between the master to booster, that gasket is for a manual master to firewall plate only, no gasket on booster to master install, check your booster pushrod clearance/air gap as well.... .020-.060 for Bendix Mopar applications
Mike
The SAE 70? You also want the square tip cover gasket, not the round one. Just curious on the LCA pictures you showed with PST bushings, Do those bushing limit how far the LCA pin inserts? Original bushings are flush to the LCA rotating assembly. Which means the pin goes in the LCA bushing further. Seems like those pins will reposition the LCA further to the rear of the car as shown. I am just curious, I have just finished disassembling a 70 K frame and have to chose which bushing to use.
Quote from: DAY CLONA on October 29, 2020, 09:56:25 PM
Troy...loose the gasket between the master to booster, that gasket is for a manual master to firewall plate only, no gasket on booster to master install, check your booster pushrod clearance/air gap as well.... .020-.060 for Bendix Mopar applications
Mike
Thanks Mike.. I'll remove and touch up the MC nuts... I know this is a stupid question, how does one adjust/confirm the air gap for the rod?
Troy
Quote from: Dragon Slayer on October 30, 2020, 07:07:55 AM
The SAE 70? You also want the square tip cover gasket, not the round one. Just curious on the LCA pictures you showed with PST bushings, Do those bushing limit how far the LCA pin inserts? Original bushings are flush to the LCA rotating assembly. Which means the pin goes in the LCA bushing further. Seems like those pins will reposition the LCA further to the rear of the car as shown. I am just curious, I have just finished disassembling a 70 K frame and have to chose which bushing to use.
Thanks for the head's up on the lid seal, I was wondering about that. I believe I have an extra laying round here.. Regarding the LCA bushings, I have them in my Daytona and have no issues...
Operation "We have lights";
Probably the 1st time in nearly 40 years that the back of this car had a functioning taillamps. And have the proper 1095 taillamp bulb.. Hooked up my work bench power supply and voila, lights.. Coming along..
Quote from: hemi68charger on October 30, 2020, 09:13:44 AM
Thanks Mike.. I'll remove and touch up the MC nuts... I know this is a stupid question, how does one adjust/confirm the air gap for the rod?
Troy
Quote
It's best accomplished with a set of dial/digital calipers to measure the booster pushrod from the booster's/master's mounting face, and the rear of the master's mounting face to the master's bore depth to determine the air gap, there's also tools available just for the job...
Too little a gap, or the booster pushrod being collapsed when the master is bolted on will result in the brakes (esp the front) dragging, too much gap and your pedal travel will be greater (to the floor) to engage the brakes...
Mike
Quote from: Dragon Slayer on October 30, 2020, 07:07:55 AM
Do those bushing limit how far the LCA pin inserts? Original bushings are flush to the LCA rotating assembly. Which means the pin goes in the LCA bushing further. Seems like those pins will reposition the LCA further to the rear of the car as shown. I am just curious, I have just finished disassembling a 70 K frame and have to chose which bushing to use.
I've been using poly bushings on my personal/customer's builds for about 30+ years, your correct the poly bushing will relocate the LCA rearward, also giving you a slight ability to increase forward caster more during alignment (good thing), however you need to use the proper front strut rod POLY bushings so that you don't pull the outer end(ball joint end) of the LCA forward causing the arm to be pitched forward at an angle and causing premature wear of components as well as alignment/steering/handling issues
FYI, if you've never done LCA poly bushings, the majority of kits on the market will require you to leave the outer steel sleeve of the old rubber bushing in the LCA, just burn out the rubber and inner sleeve, you will also be required in the majority of poly kits to reuse the inner sleeve and press it on the LCA pivot shaft, note the POLY LCA bushing will spin in the LCA sleeved bore, this is it's design/function unlike the OEM rubber bushing pressed into the LCA and relying on torsional twisting of the stationary bushing for function... be sure not to use petroleum products to install/lubricate POLY joints as that will degrade the POLY, use the recommend lube to install/lubricate. tighten all components at ride height, unless specified differently by the POLY mfg...
Mike
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Thanks Mike.. I'll remove and touch up the MC nuts... I know this is a stupid question, how does one adjust/confirm the air gap for the rod?
Troy
If you are using an original Bendix MC, you can just measure the rod length on the boost. .995" Hemi or Non Hemi.
Thanks guys.. :2thumbs:
Operation Horn relay; 69 Charger 500
Ok. I am obsessed. 😁
Took the original relay electrical mechanism out of the original can (with date code of 2128).. Then I had the can replated with some other parts. Found a new vintage Niehoff relay with the exact electrical mechanism as what I needed for my Charger.. As you can see, the 1st one I got didn't have the same rivet that attaches the center spade as that of my original one.
Troy, it is the same mechanism but not exactly the same. See the stampings on the top? not the same.
Just trying to :poke: lol
Quote from: 69_500 on November 14, 2020, 10:21:12 AM
Troy, it is the same mechanism but not exactly the same. See the stampings on the top? not the same.
Just trying to :poke: lol
😁 there is a subtle difference to be honest but very minute.. This was the closest I could find.
Nice work Troy!
But where do you draw the line?
This was my biggest 'hang-up' when I started stripping my C500.
Once you start re-fitting new stuff next to 50 year old stuff, it gets kinda crazy, where do you stop... :slap:
Before you know it, its a NOS re-creation of a 50 year old car... :icon_smile_big:
Quote from: aerolith on November 15, 2020, 07:33:43 AM
Nice work Troy!
But where do you draw the line?
This was my biggest 'hang-up' when I started stripping my C500.
Once you start re-fitting new stuff next to 50 year old stuff, it gets kinda crazy, where do you stop... :slap:
Before you know it, its a NOS re-creation of a 50 year old car... :icon_smile_big:
I do as much as my knowledge will take me (unfortunately I bought Dave Wise's Restoration and Judging book, so my detailed knowledge is much higher now).. Then, there's the financial means to do it... I do what I can... Sometimes I spend extra for something, usually those things that are seen all the time.
Operation Engine bay..
Thought I'd spend some time in the engine compartment today.. Transferred a proper voltage regulator cover on a solid-state unit. Just need to find the stencil and date code stamp for the cover from Sylvain. Good day..
PS: thanks to all giving me feedback on my rookie mistake of the washer bottle. Proper one on the way.. 😁
Quote from: hemi68charger on November 14, 2020, 07:07:49 PM
Quote from: 69_500 on November 14, 2020, 10:21:12 AM
Troy, it is the same mechanism but not exactly the same. See the stampings on the top? not the same.
Just trying to :poke: lol
😁 there is a subtle difference to be honest but very minute.. This was the closest I could find.
a Show Judge might notice that & deduct a point. :poke:
Hi Troy, Car looks awesome! Not be be a trouble maker, but isn't the stamped writing on the voltage regulator supposed to be yellow? WINGNUT
Quote from: Wingnut426 on November 15, 2020, 12:18:19 PM
Hi Troy, Car looks awesome! Not be be a trouble maker, but isn't the stamped writing on the voltage regulator supposed to be yellow? WINGNUT
Hey Pete.. It is my understanding that yellow came about around the 3rd week of 1969. My car is a August 21st, 1968 car. So based on MMC, I would have red.
Quote from: hemi-hampton on November 15, 2020, 11:44:43 AM
a Show Judge might notice that & deduct a point. :poke:
I am fairly confident I will never go to a judging event like that.. Of course would love to go to Carlisle, Muscle Car Nationals, etc, but not the platinum competition.
The yellow was around before January 1 1969. Have seen yellow as early as December 1, 1968.
Quote from: 69_500 on November 15, 2020, 06:02:18 PM
The yellow was around before January 1 1969. Have seen yellow as early as December 1, 1968.
Then, the magic transition date may be elusive. I'll try to get close up of vintage Press Release Hemi Charger 500 pictures and focus on the voltage regulator. If I can see the stamp, then it more than likely is yellow. If hard to see, probably red..... My car was built in Aug. 1968......
T
Operation VIN plate;
No need to tell you what this is for, you can read the plate..
Yesterday went and picked up my dash frame from my bud Julius.. He painted the plate as well. He did a great job. Purchased the dry transfer from ECS and it worked perfectly..
Quote from: 69_500 on November 15, 2020, 06:02:18 PM
The yellow was around before January 1 1969. Have seen yellow as early as December 1, 1968.
Yellow on my Oct 68 built GTX
Quote from: maxwellwedge on November 16, 2020, 11:09:29 AM
Quote from: 69_500 on November 15, 2020, 06:02:18 PM
The yellow was around before January 1 1969. Have seen yellow as early as December 1, 1968.
Yellow on my Oct 68 built GTX
Man, this is starting to make me wonder which color I need to choose... Aug. 68
Jim, also, your tailpipe/resonator connection is welded, correct? it is my understanding that is the proper way for the B-bodies just like the E-bodies...
Quote from: hemi68charger on November 16, 2020, 01:43:28 PM
Quote from: maxwellwedge on November 16, 2020, 11:09:29 AM
Quote from: 69_500 on November 15, 2020, 06:02:18 PM
The yellow was around before January 1 1969. Have seen yellow as early as December 1, 1968.
Yellow on my Oct 68 built GTX
Man, this is starting to make me wonder which color I need to choose... Aug. 68
Jim, also, your tailpipe/resonator connection is welded, correct? it is my understanding that is the proper way for the B-bodies just like the E-bodies...
The over axle pipe to resonator is/was always a welded connection. B or E body
on an E-body the muffler is at the end next to the gas tank & is welded to the over-the-axle pipe (the resonator is under the rear seat)
Quote from: 6bblgt on November 17, 2020, 02:24:23 AM
on an E-body the muffler is at the end next to the gas tank & is welded to the over-the-axle pipe (the resonator is under the rear seat)
yea, I know but it got my point across
Lol
Quote from: gtx6970 on November 17, 2020, 06:06:14 AM
Quote from: 6bblgt on November 17, 2020, 02:24:23 AM
on an E-body the muffler is at the end next to the gas tank & is welded to the over-the-axle pipe (the resonator is under the rear seat)
yea, I know but it got my point across
Lol
Yeap.... I think the engineers did the bait and switch of the naming of those exhaust components to throw us all off into a state of confusion........ :icon_smile_big:
Quote from: hemi68charger on November 15, 2020, 08:40:42 PM
Operation VIN plate;
No need to tell you what this is for, you can read the plate..
Yesterday went and picked up my dash frame from my bud Julius.. He painted the plate as well. He did a great job. Purchased the dry transfer from ECS and it worked perfectly..
Why isn't the font correctly spaced? A way to tell it's repopped?? Legal matter perhaps? Licensing rights?
Had a tough time re-doing the rear firewall in DC-93, getting the Pentastar and "Chrysler Corporation" script dead nuts accurate.
Those letters are unique to that logo. The Pentastar has a certain spacing to the lettering. Plus, it's die cut.
"Woodward Garage 093" is hand painted.
As you are learning: the more you know about accuracy, the crazier it becomes!!
ECS letters are in a bolder font.
Quote from: JB400 on November 18, 2020, 12:20:14 AM
ECS letters are in a bolder font.
and that's the question. Why not correct?
Hey gang...
I had a couple questions about my car.. I noticed in the Bud Lindermann video 2 things:
1. The voltage regulator font was indeed yellow for my car.. Was curious of it could have been red since about this time was the transition from red to yellow. if it was red, it wouldn't stand out as much in this vintage footage
2. The placement of the negative battery cable. It is obvious mine was not connected to the front head attach boss like Hemis are typically, it was connected to the water pump housing.. Also noticed this survivor Hemi Charger 500 at the Talladega AeroMeet, it had it's negative battery cable connected to the water pump housing. Granted, it looks like it was be replaced or taken off at some point, but why would someone not put it back where it was before? My guess is the owner put it right back where it was when he touched up the paint on the motor (you can see orange overspray on the power steering pump bracket).
:shruggy: I will give you another one, where are you going to attach the bulkhead ground cable to the engine? On an intake stud or actually use the back hole in the head? Ground through aluminum or ground to steel? ;)
Quote from: Dragon Slayer on November 20, 2020, 11:04:22 AM
:shruggy: I will give you another one, where are you going to attach the bulkhead ground cable to the engine? On an intake stud or actually use the back hole in the head? Ground through aluminum or ground to steel? ;)
Exactly where it is supposed to be, at the rear passenger side intake bolt.
1. The firewalls connected to the electrical ground bolt
2. The electrical ground bolt is connected to the ground strap
3. The ground strap is connected to the intake fastener bolt
4. The intake fastener bolt is connected to the iron head (albeit it goes THROUGH an aluminum manifold, still connects to iron)
:icon_smile_big:
Quote from: hemi68charger on November 14, 2020, 07:07:49 PM
Quote from: 69_500 on November 14, 2020, 10:21:12 AM
Troy, it is the same mechanism but not exactly the same. See the stampings on the top? not the same.
Just trying to :poke: lol
😁 there is a subtle difference to be honest but very minute.. This was the closest I could find.
Troy,
There is a seller on EBAY with some late date coded 3084 horn relays priced at $49.99 with correct guts?
MJ
Quote from: Mopar John on November 20, 2020, 04:30:47 PM
...Troy,
There is a seller on EBAY with some late date coded 3084 horn relays priced at $49.99 with correct guts?
MJ
Thanks John.. I did find one that was almost a dead-ringer to replace my original guts to put in my original replated horn relay can.
Operation Charger emblem resto; 69 C500
Sort of nice knowing this is the original emblem; rechromed, painted and reinstalled on the 500, is pretty cool. Looks better than new. The other side ends in 2841886.. This is 2841887.. So from an assembly line item, there is a left and right. I will figure out what to do with the other side with a missing peg. Will probably sacrifice one of my messed up examples and bond it to the 86..
Yes, a left and right because of the way the C pillar curves. The repop is the "6" version.
To most guys, close enough. Hats off to you for doing this detail right. :cheers:
Operation drip rail and quarter belt molding;
Installation of molding and voltage regulator stamp resto. All fit nice and snug. Stamp looks good, of course had to practice on a donor regulator cover.
Thanks to Dave Points and his amazing stainless steel polishing skills and Sylvain Gaucher and his stamps for the voltage regulator. My original regulator was long gone, but did the math comparison of a survivor Charger 500 (it's regulator date code versus its SPD from the fender tag). Even found the original wire terminal clamp for the regulator. That put a smile on my mug.
:coolgleamA: :2thumbs: :popcrn:
Troy,
Nice looking voltage regulator and ballast resistor!
The resistor has the correct longer oval style raised areas to keep the bracket in place!
MJ
Hey Troy - looking good! When does an 'orange box' come into play? Should your 500 have one?
Quote from: C500 on January 24, 2021, 05:57:44 PM
Hey Troy - looking good! When does an 'orange box' come into play? Should your 500 have one?
Orange box? Probably know what you're talking about it but not heard it said this way?
Quote from: hemi68charger on January 24, 2021, 08:58:39 PM
Quote from: C500 on January 24, 2021, 05:57:44 PM
Hey Troy - looking good! When does an 'orange box' come into play? Should your 500 have one?
Orange box? Probably know what you're talking about it but not heard it said this way?
Ignition module, see one here: https://www.yearone.com/Product/chrysler-b-body/fdp505
Quote from: hemi68charger on January 24, 2021, 08:58:39 PM
Quote from: C500 on January 24, 2021, 05:57:44 PM
Hey Troy - looking good! When does an 'orange box' come into play? Should your 500 have one?
Orange box? Probably know what you're talking about it but not heard it said this way?
Quote from: maxwellwedge on January 25, 2021, 08:08:02 AM
Quote from: hemi68charger on January 24, 2021, 08:58:39 PM
Quote from: C500 on January 24, 2021, 05:57:44 PM
Hey Troy - looking good! When does an 'orange box' come into play? Should your 500 have one?
Orange box? Probably know what you're talking about it but not heard it said this way?
:smilielol:
Quote from: C500 on January 24, 2021, 09:08:13 PM
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Ignition module, see one here: https://www.yearone.com/Product/chrysler-b-body/fdp505
Ahhhhh, nope....... Chrysler ignition systems were a few years out.... So, it is supposed to have a dual-point Prestolite..... I'll probably go that route initially then have one of my other Prestolites restored, but with a Pertronix gut..
Operation console lid "adjustment";
Well, seems there is an issue with the castings of the top plates of our B-Body 69-70 center consoles.. Thought it might have been just the one I got but apparently they are all this way.. So, with the guidance and "you can do it" from Michael Ross , I was able to finesse the top plate to fit better. It was really warped bending upwards..
With some appropriate pressing, voila, worked. I was initially worried about cracking the chrome, but nope.. Didn't.
Nothing ventured, nothing gained.
Hi Troy, Looking good! :2thumbs: Are the console parts aftermarket? If yes where did you get them from? How did all three pieces fit?, front section, door and rear piece? Thanks
Quote from: Moparpoolman on January 29, 2021, 02:58:36 PM
Hi Troy, Looking good! :2thumbs: Are the console parts aftermarket? If yes where did you get them from? How did all three pieces fit?, front section, door and rear piece? Thanks
I only messed with the front plate thus far........ Have had to divert my attention to other things..... The top plate was from OER through Classic Industries, not sure who makes that or if it is a PG Classic item..... It is my recollection that all the top plates are like this... I hope not. I just ordered a bunch of plates for the restoration of the console on this '70 Charger R/T I'm working on at home...
Quote from: hemi68charger on January 25, 2021, 04:18:21 PM
Quote from: C500 on January 24, 2021, 09:08:13 PM
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Ignition module, see one here: https://www.yearone.com/Product/chrysler-b-body/fdp505
Ahhhhh, nope....... Chrysler ignition systems were a few years out.... So, it is supposed to have a dual-point Prestolite..... I'll probably go that route initially then have one of my other Prestolites restored, but with a Pertronix gut..
Electronic ignitions were pioneered on DC-93 in the summer of 69.
Had it for the 200 run.
Quote from: odcics2 on January 30, 2021, 10:44:31 AM
Quote from: hemi68charger on January 25, 2021, 04:18:21 PM
Quote from: C500 on January 24, 2021, 09:08:13 PM
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Ignition module, see one here: https://www.yearone.com/Product/chrysler-b-body/fdp505
Ahhhhh, nope....... Chrysler ignition systems were a few years out.... So, it is supposed to have a dual-point Prestolite..... I'll probably go that route initially then have one of my other Prestolites restored, but with a Pertronix gut..
Electronic ignitions were pioneered on DC-93 in the summer of 69.
Had it for the 200 run.
True, but the production equivalent wasn't put into mainstream assembly until years later....
The 1972 340 engine was the first production use. :coolgleamA:
It took a few years after 1969 to get all the bugs out.
Oddly enough, emissions were the top reason for the development of electronic ignitions. Performance came along for the ride.
Remember that when points wear, the timing changes! Not good for emissions. Not good for drivability. Not good for performance either!
Quote from: odcics2 on January 31, 2021, 08:24:38 AM
The 1972 340 engine was the first production use. :coolgleamA:
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a little earlier :2thumbs:
Quote from: 6bblgt on February 11, 2021, 12:53:09 AM
Quote from: odcics2 on January 31, 2021, 08:24:38 AM
The 1972 340 engine was the first production use. :coolgleamA:
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a little earlier :2thumbs:
IIRC Dan, the 426 Hemi and 340 were the only engines equipped with electronic ignition for 71.....
Mike
Quote from: DAY CLONA on February 11, 2021, 12:30:17 PM
Quote from: 6bblgt on February 11, 2021, 12:53:09 AM
Quote from: odcics2 on January 31, 2021, 08:24:38 AM
The 1972 340 engine was the first production use. :coolgleamA:
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a little earlier :2thumbs:
IIRC Dan, the 426 Hemi and 340 were the only engines equipped with electronic ignition for 71.....
Mike
So, the last 1971 Hemi Charger built has it?? I don't remember seeing a module on the firewall... Maybe located elsewhere??
Quote from: odcics2 on February 12, 2021, 04:02:04 PM
So, the last 1971 Hemi Charger built has it?? I don't remember seeing a module on the firewall... Maybe located elsewhere??
I have not seen any evidence that electronic ignition was factory installed on any 1971 HEMI cars
the "last built" '71 HEMI Charger R/T had electronic ignition on it before it was restored & was restored without it - I believe the distributor had a '71 date on it, but was believed to be a Direct Connection part
there is nothing on 1A192238's broadcast sheet to indicate N23 "electronic ignition" - I'll see if I can get a pic of the electronic ignition distributor that was in it for ~40 years :icon_smile_big: I would've left it
Thread turned into N23? :icon_smile_big:
Look on the bright side.....
It has not turned into a 'Troy-Trade' thread.
Yet..... :scratchchin:
Yet... :coolgleamA:
Almost.... At the end of the day, I still have my PR 500 and I'm cool.. Drama not included like batteries.
:2thumbs: :slap: :yesnod: :icon_smile_big:
Well I think it just did turn into a Troy trade thread :icon_smile_wink:
http://www.dodgecharger.com/forum/index.php/topic,139412.0/topicseen.html
As noted many times, was there ever any doubt?
It is what Troy likes to do and that's the only person that has to be happy! :2thumbs:
Quote from: birdsandbees on February 23, 2021, 11:15:53 AM
As noted many times, was there ever any doubt?
It is what Troy likes to do and that's the only person that has to be happy! :2thumbs:
Well said.. Seems that people think I'm putting on the brakes on the resto. process... No, actually going to arrange the headliner install soon.. These cars and the ones I like are so few that when opportunities knock, you have to open the door.. Sometimes, you have to CREATE the door, which I have done on occasion. As seen from my very productive past, most things don't pan out... (I'll probably drive this car myself)..... But, who knows...... if I can turn this into a done 4-gear Superbird and a six pack B-body, why not? This what I am doing costs me absolutely nothing...... Nada, zero.....
Well, The border is opening up and it certainly sounds like the drugs are coming across in large quantities :icon_smile_big: :smilielol:
why go this far & not finish it :shruggy:
Quote from: hemi-hampton on February 23, 2021, 07:44:01 PM
why go this far & not finish it :shruggy:
Because sometimes the time-window of opportunity on desired cars are narrow......... One has to be ready to act... But, at the end of the day, I still have the 500 and press on as I can..
Quote from: Y1CHARGER on February 23, 2021, 04:29:50 PM
Well, The border is opening up and it certainly sounds like the drugs are coming across in large quantities :icon_smile_big: :smilielol:
:scratchchin:
Quote from: hemi-hampton on February 23, 2021, 07:44:01 PM
why go this far & not finish it :shruggy:
Why not finish it, looks like all the hard stuff is done, home stretch, wasn't this car for sale before you bought it for $499,999 un-restored, gotta be wotrh more done and it's so close, why bail now, also :Twocents: if this car has such pedigree as you explained earlier, why don't you want it anymore? Superbirds and six pack cars come up for sale all the time which you've owned both and traded/sold to be here with this car, I'm confused??? :scratchchin:
Quote from: Moparpoolman on February 24, 2021, 03:21:45 PM
Quote from: hemi-hampton on February 23, 2021, 07:44:01 PM
why go this far & not finish it :shruggy:
wasn't this car for sale before you bought it for $499,999 un-restored,...
Well, yes it was...... Doesn't mean anyone entertained it....... It was a hail-mary, "I don't really wanna-sell-but-if-you-pay-this" price...
As I have continued to elude to, I am still pressing forward....... Just because I have it up for sale doesn't mean it will....... It is free to do so and I still eat my dinner and drink my beer at the end of a workday..... :cheers:
Quote from: Moparpoolman on February 24, 2021, 03:21:45 PM
Quote from: hemi-hampton on February 23, 2021, 07:44:01 PM
why go this far & not finish it :shruggy:
Why not finish it, looks like all the hard stuff is done, home stretch, wasn't this car for sale before you bought it for $499,999 un-restored, gotta be wotrh more done and it's so close, why bail now, also :Twocents: if this car has such pedigree as you explained earlier, why don't you want it anymore? Superbirds and six pack cars come up for sale all the time which you've owned both and traded/sold to be here with this car, I'm confused??? :scratchchin:
That's exactly everything I was going to say, but you beat me to it. Why work your way up to the Cream of the crop, One of the rarest most desirable car with unique Pedigree just to trade away (downgrade) for a more common car anybody could buy? :scratchchin: :shruggy: :slap:
Operation Hemi Charger 500 component resto;
Shout-out to Scott Jay Smith and the Hemi Carbs he restored for my 69 Hemi auto Charger 500. They look great. If they perform like the carbs he did for my Daytona, they will be great. Then I just got back my front calipers and rear wheel cylinders. Michael Ross and his ingenuity and skills powder coated my calipers and wheel cylinders to give that natural look. Then sent them to Brake and Equipment Warehouse to service/rebuild. I know one will never really see them, but have the original bolts and cup dust shield rubber caps.. Waiting on the push pins. Will get them connected to the differential here soon and get closer to finishing up the rear end area.
Lookin good Troy... keep up the good work, and keep the pics flowing :2thumbs:
1. Operation quarter glass; 69 Hemi Charger 500
A few days ago I received all my tinted glass from ECS.. From a visual point of view, they look stunning. Love the PPG/ Chrysler logo and date code stenciling. I noted the exact manner in which the stenciling was done and there are random differences. Some were stenciled on the outside of the glass, some on the inside. Some readable from the outside, some backwards from the outside. I was able to tell them what each piece of glass was. So, looks exactly like the original glass. Notice also the rubber tube spacer used on the fasteners, ribbed rubber tube !!!
2. Operation Hemi alternator; 69 Hemi C500
Well, finally got one thanks to Pj Jacobs .. Wasn't cheap, but this was one of those "if it is associated with HEMI, coin is involved". I am totally cool with it. It is 3 months behind my SPD but that's ok. Bird in hand is worth more than 2 in the bush and I ought to know since my last name is Hawkes... 😁
Maybe there is one who is looking for my build week that had mine and we can go from there. But, this one is mine and it'll be a nice addition to Operation Hemi C500.
:2thumbs:
Well said Poolman and others who know this RESTO is 'UP THERE WITH THE BEST'!
250K is a BIG number for paups like me and many others, but ''IF YOU WANT THE BEST'' you gotta pay!!! :Twocents:
Loving the detailing and YES it is important to do all the stuff 'folks don't see'.
I remember my Mopar-mate spending countless hours doing a resto on his 69-500 aircon-box... :rotz: :rotz: :rotz:
I said ''why are you doing that level of rest to an unseen part''? :scratchchin:
He replied ''you spend hours polishing '50 year old' connecting rods and crankshafts''... :pity:
Oh yeah that's right I do, but that's for a different reason...(don't wanna buy a Chinese copy-part)... :slap:
Cos Cosmoline is a Coolio Colour (Color) sort of bronzey goldishness... :lol: :yesnod: :cheers: :oye: :bow: :bow: :bow:
Nice work indeed, on the front suspenders Troy!!! :2thumbs: :2thumbs: :2thumbs:
Operation power windows: 69 Charger 500
Well, probably after nearly 40 years, these doors hold a power window assembly that actually works.. Wooohooo..
My bud Julius came over today to pick up his windshield for his 68 Charger R/T and while here, helped with the installation of the passenger door glass. Then, I got the rear support guide installed along with the window support for the regulator arm. I was able to save the original front guide felt.. Thanks for Dave Points for polishing the quarter glass seal trim, looks amazing. Now time to clean and button up all the door handle mechanisms for..
The glass is brand new from ECS with the exact Chrysler/PPG logo and date code as the original.
Video of operation;
https://youtu.be/5ZjfsHT0PTE
Operation Mopar Collectors Guide- cool;
Nice surprise when I got my latest issue of Mopar Collectors Guide. Wasn't expecting this at this time but I am sure Richard, owner of the 610 car here, is surprised as well. Looked and low and behold that is my Fender tag for 614. Then I turned the pages and saw mine when I just dragged it home.. Unfortunately, didn't live up to the hype of the car getting done by the time the article came out.. Fell sort of that.. 😁
Here they chat about Richard's awesome 500, the twin to mine, but not an identical since his is a 4-gear and mine is an auto. The article goes on to explain how I was able to get Richard's 610 500's broadcast sheet to him and he told me Galen had mine. After 50+ years of being separated at Creative Industries in the notorious back seat misplacement, the broadcast sheets are back together with their car. I will never forget the day I called him out of the blue, him not knowing who I was and leaving him a message on his voicemail, "Hello, my name is Troy. I believe I have the original broadcast sheet to your 500. Call me back if you get this".. 5 minutes later, I get a call. 😁
Nice Story, I'm sure your Car will be in the Magazine soon :scratchchin: LEON.
Quote from: hemi-hampton on June 15, 2021, 05:07:29 PM
Nice Story, I'm sure your Car will be in the Magazine soon :scratchchin: LEON.
It was.. The garage pictures were in the magazine in this issue (if that's what you're referring to).. I "think" the 500 itself is supposed to be in the "under construction" section soon... I think... It's hard to tell sometimes with magazines...
Quote from: hemi-hampton on June 15, 2021, 05:07:29 PM
Nice Story, I'm sure your Car will be in the Magazine Fully Restored soon :scratchchin: LEON.
Here, I fixed it. LEON.
great stuff :2thumbs: :coolgleamA: :popcrn:
Quote from: hemi-hampton on June 16, 2021, 07:33:08 PM
Quote from: hemi-hampton on June 15, 2021, 05:07:29 PM
Nice Story, I'm sure your Car will be in the Magazine Fully Restored soon :scratchchin: LEON.
Here, I fixed it. LEON.
Ahhh. Yeah.. Apparently they are going to do a final feature once done.
Back after a little hiatus with the car at the body shop.. Had to repair a bunch of modifications to the passenger side exhaust manifold prior to installation and engine detailing/paint.
Both heat tubes for the choke and air cleaner were welded up with plugs, so, those had to be drilled out and tapped.
Working on the cluster as well this week.
Saved, reused and restored as many components as possible. The one thing I didn't like I will need to address is the instrument cluster bezel where PG Classics has the hole borders not paint, let chrome. They should be black. May price what GCAR will cost and sells these.
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NICE :2thumbs:
lookin great Troy
Troy what size are those heat tube stud you had to put in and are they course course or course fine? Also on the choke heat tube does that press in a certain distance in an internal boss where the threaded fitting is, or does it press into the brass fitting. Wondering how the exhaust seal is on the fitting side.
Quote from: Dragon Slayer on August 18, 2021, 06:15:51 PM
Troy what size are those heat tube stud you had to put in and are they course course or course fine? Also on the choke heat tube does that press in a certain distance in an internal boss where the threaded fitting is, or does it press into the brass fitting. Wondering how the exhaust seal is on the fitting side.
1. Heat tube studs: Manifold is course, the nut is fine
2. The choke heat tube just presses into the cast iron of the manifold. Of course I had to drill out the plug that was put in it and no way going to get the exact diameter of the original hole. So, I used the new tube as a benchmark and drilled.. I researched online and via FSM illustrations to get a good length the tube stuck out of the manifold. The fit was pretty good but used hi-temp JB Weld to secure it in place.
3. The brass fitting, well I again drilled out the original hole getting as close as I could to the original diameter and retapped the hole with a pipe thread tap
Operation Hemi mock-up.....
69 Hemi Charger 500
Getting ready to paint the 426 so I can mate it to the 727.. I will removing the items that don't get painted but wanted to adjust and tweak the tubes prior to paint.. Everything fit pretty good actually.. Need to get the negative battery cable on of course before paint.
Edit: leave it to my bud J,,, I have forgotten the ground strap to the firewall.. 😁
Thrilled with myself how the passenger exhaust manifold came out after fixing the fittings, tubes and thermostat.
Yes.. I will be trimming the exhaust manifold gasket...
Nice. :2thumbs:
What's with the plum 1970 Charger?
Quote from: Mytur Binsdirti on August 28, 2021, 03:39:34 AM
Nice. :2thumbs:
What's with the plum 1970 Charger?
It is a friend's 70 Charger R/T; v-code 440 six pack console pistol-grip 4speed car... She's owned it since about '74... I'm doing a lot of OEM-correction work on it; dash resto, console resto, door windows, complete Accurate exhaust w/installing the original exhaust manifolds, installing the original radiator back in it, manual-2-power steering swap << that's the one that will make the car more pleasant for her... She's in her 70's now and the manual steering is getting tough on her.. Luckily, I get 1st crack at the car when the time comes to sell... It has a lot of the "checked boxes" for sure..
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With the attention to detail you are going after you may want to purchase or rebuild an orig water pump with new bearing and mechanical seal. I have done a few. Late model look is much different.
Quote from: Dragon Slayer on September 02, 2021, 11:32:32 AM
With the attention to detail you are going after you may want to purchase or rebuild an orig water pump with new bearing and mechanical seal. I have done a few. Late model look is much different.
Hey Dragon..
I forgot I had this NOS pump.. Will use this.. Maybe.... It is 50 years old.. Seems to be fine.. Rotates smoothly..
Messing with the engine this weekend. Buddy Dave came over and we shot the motor with the proper Hemi Orange enamel from Frank B. at Roger Gibson Restoration. Then got to emptying boxes and putting parts on. Motor is coming together..
Operation driver's side door/quarter glass: 69 Hemi Charger 500
Last night and today been working on the driver's side glass.. The door was easy-peasy, the quarter not so. Could NOT get the rear quarter glass aligned.. The top of the front was going too far inboard, no matter what I did. My friend Julius came over this morning to tweak things.. Sometimes it is best to get a different set of eyes.. Plus, J has restored a view Mopars in his day.. 😁
After doing this and doing that we both came to the conclusion that the new date-coded glass from my vendor had too much curvature at the top compared to the original. We placed the original in and after readjusting all we did to compensate for the bad glass it went up fine.. The glass... So I will contact ECS aboit this.. But did clean up the original glass and it was actually probably the best original. All the other glass is ECS. The passenger side is fine.
I left the vintage CAL CUSTOM decal that a previous owner installed during the early part of the car's life. Think it looks cool. I will leave it for now as long as that window stays in.
Quote from: hemi68charger on July 17, 2021, 08:37:17 AM
Working on the cluster as well this week.
Saved, reused and restored as many components as possible. The one thing I didn't like I will need to address is the instrument cluster bezel where PG Classics has the hole borders not paint, let chrome. They should be black. May price what GCAR will cost and sells these.
Curious on this, did you use a decal kit for the instruments? The font on the speedometer seems a bit different from the original?
Quote from: timmycharger on September 07, 2021, 03:22:48 PM
Quote from: hemi68charger on July 17, 2021, 08:37:17 AM
Working on the cluster as well this week.
Saved, reused and restored as many components as possible. The one thing I didn't like I will need to address is the instrument cluster bezel where PG Classics has the hole borders not paint, let chrome. They should be black. May price what GCAR will cost and sells these.
Curious on this, did you use a decal kit for the instruments? The font on the speedometer seems a bit different from the original?
I choose to try the OER products... I used them on the 70 Charger R/T I'm working on and the price to get my originals redone (gauges, speedometer, clock, tach was going to be EXPENSIVE !!!) << this relates to the balancing act of the financial part of this resto.. But, have the original gauges...
Quote from: hemi68charger on September 07, 2021, 04:56:34 PM
Quote from: timmycharger on September 07, 2021, 03:22:48 PM
Quote from: hemi68charger on July 17, 2021, 08:37:17 AM
Working on the cluster as well this week.
Saved, reused and restored as many components as possible. The one thing I didn't like I will need to address is the instrument cluster bezel where PG Classics has the hole borders not paint, let chrome. They should be black. May price what GCAR will cost and sells these.
Curious on this, did you use a decal kit for the instruments? The font on the speedometer seems a bit different from the original?
I choose to try the OER products... I used them on the 70 Charger R/T I'm working on and the price to get my originals redone (gauges, speedometer, clock, tach was going to be EXPENSIVE !!!) << this relates to the balancing act of the financial part of this resto.. But, have the original gauges...
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Operation drivetrain; 69 Hemi Charger 500
Well, had a mission to mate the tranny to the engine today and get it on the dolly and k-member with some components installed.. Went ok.. Pulled a stupid move and had the passenger side motor mount insulator flipped and fought the damn thing for a while. Call my friend J and sure enough... After frustration, always good to get a fresh set of eyes and experience. Of course, my Hemi Daytona was sitting right there and could have looked.. 😁
Operation didn't go without a casualty... Power steering gear box slipped out of my hands and Kaboom, crack and break... The low pressure return line.. Should be able to find one of those..
Of course, I still have a bunch of little details to add like heater hose nipples, clips, alternator, etc... But today's mission accomplished.
You need to take some time & clean that garage up to make some working room.
Quote from: Mytur Binsdirti on September 13, 2021, 03:31:21 AM
You need to take some time & clean that garage up to make some working room.
I did.. I moved the Daytona out of the way........ it is hard to "put stuff away" when you've been collecting parts for 40+ years and place them in a residential-type of garage.... I'm lucky to even have a 4-car garage......... Wish I had more room.......
Operation dash installed; Hemi C500.
Well, installed the dash this afternoon. Finally, table is clear. Julius lent me this nifty hook to secure the dash so I can take the time to attach the heater cables up and secure other items.. Then, swing it up to secure.. Really nice and it helps when you are solo like me.. Got some quality time today... This working for a living really cuts into one's Mopar time.
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So....many.... "Operations"
Nice progress! :yesnod:
Looks a lot more complete with the dash installed.
MJ
Getting closer for Operation Hemi install. Tiddy up fuel lines and misc items prior to installation. Put the h-pipe on today.
Looking really good .Keep up the progress
Looks magnificent!
It seems like the finish line is in sight! :2thumbs:
It's up for sale again?
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Operation "Houston: we have install... "
Started setting things up this morning to install the drivetrain in the 500.. that motor in this shape hasn't been like this since the late 70's.. It's time. Thanks to my friend coming over to help. For all the naysayers that say you HAVE to remove the passenger valve cover,,, Naaaaaaa.. with a little wiggle and some towel/small piece of carpet for the shock tower, in she went.
Quote from: hemi68charger on November 13, 2021, 09:54:54 AM
For all the naysayers that say you HAVE to remove the passenger valve cover,,, Naaaaaaa.. with a little wiggle and some towel/small piece of carpet for the shock tower, in she went.
Installed a Hemi that way several times myself. In fact, a 440, with the exhaust manifolds on is just about as wide as a Hemi.
Real nice build!
Quote from: Mytur Binsdirti on November 13, 2021, 06:57:58 PM
Quote from: hemi68charger on November 13, 2021, 09:54:54 AM
For all the naysayers that say you HAVE to remove the passenger valve cover,,, Naaaaaaa.. with a little wiggle and some towel/small piece of carpet for the shock tower, in she went.
Installed a Hemi that way several times myself. In fact, a 440, with the exhaust manifolds on is just about as wide as a Hemi.
All I do is juck up the right side of the engine cart. Start that side in and over to the right. Then it's easy from there
Wow, that looks real schmick under the hood :drool5: :drool5: :drool5:
This is an amazing restoration. Your attention to detail is spot on. :2thumbs:
Well, As they say, "they come and they go"... Well, such is the case of the Press Release C500. I recently came into a potential purchase of a mopar I like and placed a What-if-for-sale on Facebook. Well, low and behold I had a interested individual and he bought the car.... Soo,, the car will be finished by someone else. I'll be making the journey to pick up my next purple Mopar in the middle of the month.... I'll share once that happens....
I learned ALOT during the restoration of this 500, knowledge that will always be with me and have met some really nice individuals during the process....
This Chapter closed...
BUMMER, Sorry to hear that. :'(
Damn Troy and I thought RC was gonna lose the bet on this one. :icon_smile_big:
This makes 2 500's and a Superbird at least.
The clue for the next one is purple: 70/71 six pack or Hemi Super Bee or Charger, or 70/71 six pack or hemi e body
Quote from: hemi-hampton on November 26, 2021, 08:43:51 PM
BUMMER, Sorry to hear that. :'(
When I get the other car is won't be a bummer.. It is something that happened out of the blue and I am looking forward in getting the new Mopar.
Quote from: JB400 on November 26, 2021, 10:56:20 PM
This makes 2 500's and a Superbird at least.
The clue for the next one is purple: 70/71 six pack or Hemi Super Bee or Charger, or 70/71 six pack or hemi e body
This 500 was my 4th..
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It's COOL & sad at the same time, I was looking forward to seeing the 500 done, now looking forward to the new car !!!! :2thumbs:
I continue To be impressed!
Quote from: birdsandbees on November 26, 2021, 08:47:12 PM
Damn Troy and I thought RC was gonna lose the bet on this one. :icon_smile_big:
I'm always right.
:yesnod:
Quote from: hemi68charger on November 27, 2021, 11:53:07 AM
Quote from: hemi-hampton on November 26, 2021, 08:43:51 PM
BUMMER, Sorry to hear that. :'(
When I get the other car is won't be a bummer.. It is something that happened out of the blue and I am looking forward in getting the new Mopar.
Quote from: JB400 on November 26, 2021, 10:56:20 PM
This makes 2 500's and a Superbird at least.
The clue for the next one is purple: 70/71 six pack or Hemi Super Bee or Charger, or 70/71 six pack or hemi e body
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My comment was made to mention the number of your last projects bought and sold before being completed, not the number of a particular model owned. No offense meant. Time to see what the next jewel is