To all,
It has been suggested to me to seperate the Superbird restoration topic from the Daytona restoration. So here is the start of the seperation!
CLEVELAND NATIONAL MEET!!
Somewhere in my story I mentioned where national meets are good because they get some of us off or butts and get working on our cars! It's Friday afternoon and Linda says that she really doesn't want to ride in our local criuse next weekend with a primered nose cone#@$%^&*(! WOW! She also thinks it won't look so hot at the national meet. So much for waiting till Troy Angelly does the rest of the Superbird! So the attached picture is how the Superbird looked late Friday!
NATIONAL MEET PART 2!
So on Saturday morning I start out hot and heavy on the headlight buckets! First I had to take them apart to get to the headlight assemblies. Then I start sanding them down and realize it's going to be a bigger job than I thought! There was always a crack around the top edge of the fiberglass lids? Well, after sanding a while I realize that there were a couple of coats of paint over the original headlight decals@#$%^&*()! OUCH!! So it took even longer to get down to the primer and fiberglass! By the time I got everything sanded it was late and I made a small batch of filler to go over some rough spots in the fiberglass. I also made a small batch of fiberglass to repair one corner that always had been cracked. That was it for the night!
Today again I started out early and I was lucky that the filller and fiberglass repairs went well and looked great! I then went over everthing with a lighter grit paper and then sanded the primer on the NOS nose cone! It was late morning and I got everything ready and put on several good coats of fill and sand type primer. By this time it's early afternoon and time for lunch. While I had something to eat it gave the primer time to dry! After lunch it was time to sand the primer and get ready for paint! The fill and sand primer took care of almost all the sanding scratches and repairs. I positioned evrything for paint and wiped everything down with a tack rag. It was now time to mix the paint! I got everything mixed up and wiped it all down again. I put my spray mask on and started spraying the VITAMIN C ORANGE on the headlights and the nose! What a rush#$%^&*(! The smell of fresh paint and the shine on those parts! WOW! I plan on letting them dry till Tuesday Morning and start assembling them before I have to leave for my 3-11 shift this week! I have attached a couple of pictures of the parts in primer and then a couple with the fresh paint applied! I think were going to make it! :drool5:
MJ
Nice!!!!!
Lookin' good !!!!
:popcrn: :2thumbs: :2thumbs: :2thumbs: :2thumbs:
When we left off it was last weekend and I was getting the Superbird ready for yesterdays cruise night in Laporte, Indiana! On Monday I let the paint dry and helped Linda get ready for her PORCH SALE which was held this weekend also! My job was tables, advertising and getting some of my stuff ready to sell. I have attached a picture of my advertising! I hope you like it! It worked very well!
Back to the Superbird! Tuesday morning before my 3-11 shift I started putting the headlight doors into the buckets and mounting them in the newly painted nose. The problem I had was the buckets were tweaked from damage to the old cone and didn't fit as is into the NOS cone!@#$%^&*()! I was able to get both buckets assemlbled and one installed before I had to leave for work. Wednesday morning I had myself set up pretty good to install the other bucket rather quick compared to the first one! I have attached a picture with the headlight buckets installed! The next item was to install the Z brackets. Other than having some of the headlight bucket hardware in the wrong spot for the openings this went quite well! I then used my creeper and some blocks of wood to roll the cone up to the body! All went well and by the time I left for my 3-11 on Wednesday the nose was lined up and bolted to the body! WOW! I think were going to make the cruise Saturday night Linda!
SUPERBIRD NOSE CONTINUED!
My next problem was something that I have been working on for over a year now! My NOS nose was missing the filler panel at the rear that is bent at a 90 degree angle and supports the front of the latch tray. I made a cardboard template of what I thought it should look like and took it with me to work. At work I had secured a sample piece ot the right thickness material and cut it to match the cardboard template. I then had my partner take and bend it on our brake! I have attached a picture of the template and the piece we made! Wednesday night when I got home I wanted to get just a little more done and installed the parklamp assemblies, The vacum lines, the electric wiring and tested it all out! I also test fitted the piece we made. The only problem was that I made it too wide and I couldn't get the clips on for the latch tray bolts@#$%^&*()! Thursday I had to work 12 hours and left for work early and took the piece back with me. My partner took it to our shear and cut off the excess! Now I was ready for Friday morning! When I got home I decided to primer and paint the part and have it dry all night and be ready for assembly! Friday I got up early and helped Linda get the sale started then was out to the shop. The first thing was to get this piece installed and test fit and it looked great! I then installed the turn signal frames, grille frame and screen and the NOS rubstrip! I have attached a picture with all this installed. The next thing to go on was the lower valance that hadn't been on for years. I took my time and adjusted all the parts so when this final piece went on the bottom all looked good. I also did some corrections on mismatched hardware. It went a lot easier since I had sorted all my extras during the Daytona restoration. With the bottom valance on and no longer needing to get under the front end I installed the front spoiler. So another picture with the spoiler installed. With all the parts on I then installed the latch tray and took a picture of how it all turned out with my fabricated piece! ENJOY!
I'll remember to separate my superbird build from my other build as well! :lol: i wish! nice car btw!
WHY I HAD TO FABRICATE MY OWN NOSE FILLER PART!
About a year ago I contacted Gene Gregory to make this part for me. We had everything arranged and I was to pick up the part at the Mopar Nationals last August. We were both going and it would save on shipping and not get damaged. Not long before the Nats Gene got ill and wasn't able to make the part and did not go to the Nats! I also had been told about Jack McCauley to make this part. I went with Gene first because he gave me a price where Jack was more how much labor would go into it? I finally contaced Jack this spring and was all set to go when he injured his foot! WOW! I kept in touch and he said he was feeling better and should get back to the shop soon. Time passed by and I e-mailed him a couple of weeks ago and didn't hear anything back? Today I sent him another e-mail telling him that I hoped his health was improving and that I had made the part I needed here locally. Jack responded today and said that he continues to deal with another health issue!
MJ
Quote from: randr on June 12, 2011, 08:15:35 PM
I'll remember to separate my superbird build from my other build as well! :lol: i wish! nice car btw!
Thanks randr!
Well it's Saturday morning and we have 5lbs of stuff in a 3lb bag planned for the day! Our porch sale, a grandsons graduation party at 3pm and the Laporte cruise at 6pm! WOW!! I helped Linda get the sale started and it was off to the shop. I went over all the details and put a couple of gallons of my extra racing gas in! I then pulled it outside and brought all the tire pressures up to where they should be. Next was radiator, brake fluid, and power steering fluid. It was now time for a test run and get some more gas at the local station. For the first time in over a year I was out cruising in our bird! We closed up the sale and went to the graduation party and had a great time! Next up was the Laporte cruise! Brian Haugel f8f8f8daytona on this site had contacted me earlier in the week to see if we were going. I got back with him and said that we were. I also asked him to save us a spot in the lineup as we were going to arrive late. When we got there Brian and his wife Debbi were there waiting for us as planned! We lined up together and let everyone see one of each wing car! So many people mix these two cars up that a lot of them didn't know what to think when they saw one of each! I have a couple of pictures of the two wing cars ready to cruise. All went well with me going first. Then as the cruise went on I really got annoyed with this guy in a 69 Mustang in front of us! He had the suspension setup where this thing jumped up like a frog every time he nailed the gas! After about 50 little chirps out of this thing I had had ENOUGH and my Mopar blood was boiling over! I laid back and dropped the 727 into low and nailed it! That 4,000 pound bird lit em up in a roar a good 100 feet! Well just my luck, one of Laportes finest was stationed at a nearby corner and ran up to my drivers window and got right in my face. He informed me that one more of those and he was going to take my cruise sticker and write me a ticket for reckless driving!@#$%^&*())! OUCH! I settled down and so did the guy in the Mustang! :2thumbs: The rest of the night was uneventfull and just had a great time with no problems out of a Superbird that hadn't been driven in over a year! We are now ready for more good times at the national meet in Cleveland and hope to see many of you there! Sunday was a much easier day for me as all we did was the final day of our porch sale! Linda and I cleaned up and went for a nice dinner on the proceeds of the sale!
Mopar John
That's F6F6F6Daytona to you :) :) :) ..... Deb and I had a great time at the cruise on Saturday....It was defintely a cool sight to see both Wing cars nose to tail going through the cruise route....My Daytona ran great and never broke 180 degrees , even in the 2 mile back up traffic jam!!!
Quote from: Mopar John on June 12, 2011, 08:44:42 PM
Quote from: randr on June 12, 2011, 08:15:35 PM
I'll remember to separate my superbird build from my other build as well! :lol: i wish! nice car btw!
Thanks randr!
Well it's Saturday morning and we have 5lbs of stuff in a 3lb bag planned for the day! Our porch sale, a grandsons graduation party at 3pm and the Laporte cruise at 6pm! WOW!! I helped Linda get the sale started and it was off to the shop. I went over all the details and put a couple of gallons of my extra racing gas in! I then pulled it outside and brought all the tire pressures up to where they should be. Next was radiator, brake fluid, and power steering fluid. It was now time for a test run and get some more gas at the local station. For the first time in over a year I was out cruising in our bird! We closed up the sale and went to the graduation party and had a great time! Next up was the Laporte cruise! Brian Haugel f8f8f8daytona on this site had contacted me earlier in the week to see if we were going. I got back with him and said that we were. I also asked him to save us a spot in the lineup as we were going to arrive late. When we got there Brian and his wife Debbi were there waiting for us as planned! We lined up together and let everyone see one of each wing car! So many people mix these two cars up that a lot of them didn't know what to think when they saw one of each! I have a couple of pictures of the two wing cars ready to cruise. All went well with me going first. Then as the cruise went on I really got annoyed with this guy in a 69 Mustang in front of us! He had the suspension setup where this thing jumped up like a frog every time he nailed the gas! After about 50 little chirps out of this thing I had had ENOUGH and my Mopar blood was boiling over! I laid back and dropped the 727 into low and nailed it! That 4,000 pound bird lit em up in a roar a good 100 feet! Well just my luck, one of Laportes finest was stationed at a nearby corner and ran up to my drivers window and got right in my face. He informed me that one more of those and he was going to take my cruise sticker and write me a ticket for reckless driving!@#$%^&*())! OUCH! I settled down and so did the guy in the Mustang! :2thumbs: The rest of the night was uneventfull and just had a great time with no problems out of a Superbird that hadn't been driven in over a year! We are now ready for more good times at the national meet in Cleveland and hope to see many of you there! Sunday was a much easier day for me as all we did was the final day of our porch sale! Linda and I cleaned up and went for a nice dinner on the proceeds of the sale!
Mopar John
OUTSTANDING JOHN !!!!!!
Quote from: f6f6f6daytona on June 15, 2011, 06:25:42 PM
That's F6F6F6Daytona to you :) :) :) ..... Deb and I had a great time at the cruise on Saturday....It was defintely a cool sight to see both Wing cars nose to tail going through the cruise route....My Daytona ran great and never broke 180 degrees , even in the 2 mile back up traffic jam!!!
Hey, I know that guy !!!!!
Very cool on the cool running car mon... (in a Jamaican dialect) :icon_smile_big:
NATIONAL MEETS!
As I get ready to go to work and finish my last 12 hour midnight thoughts are shifting to our wing car national meet in Cleveland this week! I am really excited that the Superbird is together and that we had the opportunity to shake it down last weekend in the Laporte cruise. As I prepare and pack for the meet I was thinking of how many of these meets that the orange bird has been to?? My first 3 national meets were in my yellow Superbird and the 2009 meet was with the Daytona. So I dug out my box of dash plaques and tried to remember which ones were with the orange bird? I might be off by one or two but I think the orange bird has been to 17 national wing car meets! I know there are a couple of members that have been to more such as Rick Edwards with his green bird and the Croxfords with their blue bird but 17 has got to be near the top! Linda and I hope to see a bunch of you this week as we add number 18? to the count!
MJ
you'll catch a year on the B5 car this time around unless you consider viewing it at a body shop as "participating!"
Quote from: pettybird on June 19, 2011, 04:20:07 PM
you'll catch a year on the B5 car this time around unless you consider viewing it at a body shop as "participating!"
Doug,
NO PARTICIPATING for the B5 Superbird! You are supposed to take the car to the meet not take the meet to the car! :rotz: You are probably still 5 or more ahead anyway! See you tommorrow! I also want to tell you that I appriciate you putting a meet together! It takes a lot of behind the scenes work to put on something like this!
Mopar John
2011 CLEVELAND NATIONAL MEET!!
First off I would like to thank Carol ( marty42 ) and Doug ( pettybird ) Croxford for a GREAT MEET!!
Even though some aero owners pulled out in favor of the Indy meet they had one of the largest non Talladega meets that I have ever attended! They kept us busy all week and you can see all the highlights in the meet post!
Linda and I left for Cleveland early Tuesday and the trip there was smooth and uneventfull! That night was a wing car caravan over to Solon, Ohio for their weekly car show! When we arrived we were told that the show had been cancelled due to the threat of bad weather? It turned out to be nice and we dominated the show with wing cars and Mopars! While we were enjoying the show a guy asks me if the Superbird was my car?? I said yes and he the told me that he had something to show me? I walked up to the front of the Superbird which was on display with the hood up and he pointed to my alternator. The main bolt that holds it to the block was BROKE OFF!! !@#$%^&*(!
I went into panic mode and tried to figure out what to do? I showed Doug Croxford the problem and asked him if he had an extra bolt? He thought he did and would get it that night when he returned home. He said he would take it off another motor if need be! I informed Linda of the problem and decided to try and limp it back to where the trailer was. We made it there without any more problems. I was worried that it might come loose and go through the radiator or something like that. I unhooked the battery and removed the alternator. Then with a junk but sharp screwdriver I started tapping the broken part of the bolt out of the head! It worked and I was able to remove it! The next morning Doug showed up with a bolt and enough washers to make up for the inch and a half spacer that fell off! While everyone else chatted and got lined up I was repairing the Superbird! All went well and we were able to drive to all the events! THANKS DOUG! I have attached some pictures of the broken alternator bolt. The whole time I was thinking of my box of extra bolts and spacers back home! Today after we arrived home safe and sound I got my box out and did permanent repairs and am ready for INDY!!
Mopar John
wow that guy had a sharp eye and was awesome to of him to let you know about that bolt . :2thumbs: :2thumbs:
He looked under the hood and saw the heater hose bracket lying funny, so he looked closer and saw the bolt.
10 extras in a box? the mopar gods must have known that and went after you :lol:
Quote from: pettybird on June 27, 2011, 12:56:36 PM
He looked under the hood and saw the heater hose bracket lying funny, so he looked closer and saw the bolt.
10 extras in a box? the mopar gods must have known that and went after you :lol:
:smilielol: :smilielol: :smilielol:
Id have the alt bolt break off like that on the road trip .Find a long bolt near impossible.With vise grips and getting the piece out of the head.Take spacer out and find a short bolt to one alt ear back to the head.And drive to a parts store for threaded rod.Or replacement bolt :Twocents:
MORE ON THE 2011 NATIONAL MEET!
I just knew that the Croxfords like driving their wing cars and that we would be putting a LOT of miles on the cars during the meet! That is why I decided to take the Superbird. After a couple of days driving in hard rain and traffic a few of the guys had enough and cleaned up the cars and trailered them for the rest of the week. I really couldn't blame them as nice as the cars are! We continued on in the bird and put more miles on in one week than we have since I drove it to Talladega! :yesnod:
This wasn't all bad as I was able to check out many items to make sure they were still working:
LOW AND HIGH BEAM HEADLIGHTS ( original 1969 GE headlights )
HEADLIGHT DOORS OPENING AND CLOSING
HORN ( by request on many occaisions )
WIPERS -LOW-MED-HIGH!!
BRAKES BOTH EASY AND HARD STOPS!
DEFROSTER
HEATER
POWER STEERING
EMERGENCY FLASHERS ( last car in caravan sitting on two lane street )
BRAKE LIGHTS
TURN SIGNALS
AND MUCH MORE!
Another good thing that happened is that I was able to snag a few parts for the upcoming restoration! Some planned and some by surprise! I had made arrangements with Doug Schellinger to purchase his NOS Superbird grille frame to go with the nose and decal set. He also had a new grille screen that he makes up from the original material!
Speaking of decals, Doug Croxford surprised me with a couple of NOS decals for the restoration! We had talked about decals and the fact that he had a few extras years ago. He must have dug them out for me when he was looking for an alternator bolt? He gave me a decal for the drivers headlight door and one for the inside of the passengers door! I think those were superceded years ago to the same one used on the right taillight housing of which I had a couple. So now I have a complete set of decals ready for the restoration!
Thanks to Doug and Doug! Mopar John
you have GE bulbs? Both of my cars had Westinghouse :scratchchin:
Doug,
When I purchased the Superbird in the mid seventies I was the third owner. At that time I thought the high beams were originals? They were both GE's and dated 11 9 or November 1969. This is the correct date for when the Birds were built. The low beams had already been replaced with newer parts store lights. Over the years I found two original 1969 low beams and installed them so they all matched. Just seems too much of a coincidence for those lights to have the right date code? Does any one else out there have a Bird that they feel has GE headlights as originals installed at the factory?
Quote from: f6f6f6daytona on June 15, 2011, 06:25:42 PM
That's F6F6F6Daytona to you :) :) :) ..... Deb and I had a great time at the cruise on Saturday....It was defintely a cool sight to see both Wing cars nose to tail going through the cruise route....My Daytona ran great and never broke 180 degrees , even in the 2 mile back up traffic jam!!!
Where did you get your Goodyear tires with yellow lettering? I understand they don't offer them anymore.
NOS SUPERBIRD EXHAUST TIPS!
Just before the national meet in Cleveland I purchased a pair of OLD style NOS exhaust tips for the upcoming Superbird restoration. Recently there was a post about a pair of LATE style Charger tips for sale on EBAY on this site. Like the Old style Charger tips the OLD style oval shaped Road Runner/GTX tips also have the same characteristics when it comes to the tip hanger. They are both welded deep into the slot not up on top! I have attached some pictures of the tips and the boxes they were shipped in. To help out these tips for the Plymouth were shipped in boxes dated 1985! I also still have all my NOS packaging from the B5 Daytona restoration and those tips were in boxes dated 1988! So it's been a while since they were made that way. I also spoke with Troy Angelly yesterday and he had a couple of cars at Carlisle. He said one was done and the other had about a weeks worth of fine details and it would be complete also! Where I'm getting at here is that we are about 4 months out from dropping the Superbird off and it looks like his schedule is on target! I can't wait!
MJ
SUPERBIRD UPDATE!
I havn't posted about the Superbird in a while and it's time for an update! The restoration appointment is drawing closer and closer and at this point is about 2 months away! Slowly I have been gathering all the parts I have laying around and putting them in one area so I don't forget something. The big news is that I purchased an NOS drivers door skin! Ours has a few rust bubbles down low and was off a car with a side molding so there are some tiny spots where you can see the holes welded up. I have never gotten over the Daytona doors having to be cut up where the rust was in between the skin and the frame also. The door skin was pricy but it was close enough where I could go pick it up! When I went to pick it up the seller tells me that when he dug it out he found a matching NOS passengers door skin under it! So I drained my PayPal account and took some extra NOS parts and made a deal for both door skins! I have attached some pictures of the skins that are still in the factory wrappers!
MJ
:o :coolgleamA: good stuff , it amazes me how much stuff its out there :drool5:
Very Cool John............. :2thumbs:
THE CALL #2!!!!
This past Tuesday evening while I was at work Linda and I got the call we had been waiting for! It was Troy Angelly and he informed us that the R4 Daytona fender and valence were done and he would be ready for the Superbird on Friday. When we last talked I gave Troy my schedule and days that I would be able to haul the Superbird down to his shop. I have attached some photos! The first one shows the Superbird in the trailer with the original trunk floor underneath that we will be using. The second and third pictures are of all the NOS sheetmetal that is going to be used during the restoration. The Superbird also has an NOS nose that was installed in time for the Cleveland meet!
MJ
THE TRIP TO TROY ANGELLY'S SHOP!
Since Linda had some things to do I left for Eldorado, Illinois just after 8am when I finished loading the sheetmetal parts. All went well till I got down to Mount Vernon, Illinois where I 57 and I 64 cross. I noticed that my trailer lights and BRAKES were not working! A quick check of the plug revealed that something was fried in there !@#$%^&*()! I tried to fix it and failed so I made an attempt to make it to Troy's shop. It all went well and I unloaded the Superbird and all the sheetmetal. We went over the project and spent sometime discussing Mopars and current events. We then loaded up the R4 Daytona drivers fender and front valance that I had left there when we picked up the B5 Daytona. I want to put those parts and others I have on the R4 Daytona and make it a complete car again while Troy has the Superbird. I have a couple of pictures attached from the visit! I was able to fix the trailer plug before I headed for home. The trip is normally a 6 hour drive and I left at around 4:30pm. All went well till I got about 15-20 miles south of Effingham, Illinois. There was a semi a safe distance ahead of me turn his emergency flashers on as he approached an overpass? I let the overpass approach slow my momentum from 55mph to about 40mph. When I got to the top I saw a state police car with it's flashers on and I hit BLACK ICE on the bridge. I didn't hit the brakes but started fishtailing and saw the BORZYCH RACING logo on both sides of the trailer@)_+@#$%*)!!! WOW!
I hung on long enough to get off the bridge! There were cars and suv's all over the median and roadsides! That trucker saved my BUTT!
This black ice continued on most of the bridges! I came up to one that had 2 lights flashing up and down? When I got to them it was a Ford ranger on it's side at the edge of the payment! WOW! I must have seen 50 vehicles off the road and some were smashed into each other! I made it through all that and then it got REAL windy! It was having it's way with the empty trailer! The wind let up and I made good time up to I-80 and started east toward Indiana. I got to I-65 near Gary and ran right into a lake effect blizzard@#$%&*()!
The vehicles were moving so slow that I was getting worried that I wouldn't be able to pull the trailer through the deep snow! I started working my way to the next exit in Portage, Indiana. I'm close to home and know the roads but it was still tough! I didn't want to stop on the incline of the exit ramp and almost ran a small car over with the dumptruck! I got off and made it to a truck stop and filled up the gas tank. I then had to decide if I was going to get the blankets that the parts were wrapped in and stay the night at the truckstop or try to make it home? I decided to try and make it home. It was really bad the first 5 miles and then things started to lighten up and I made it at 12:30am! I was completely wore out from the trip! Note to self- TRY NOT TO USE TRAILER IN THE WINTER EVER AGAIN!!!
MJ
I know it'll be perfect and that Troy will do a fantastic job, but I'm kind of sad our 'birds are losing a playmate... :-\
Doug,
Some parts of this are definately SAD! First off we won't be able to drive it the next couple of years! The second thing is that it will loose some of it's identity! Way back in 1980 when I redid the car myself back in the old shop I didn't put the decals on. Knowing that it needed more work I didn't want to WASTE my NOS decals. So for 32 years there were no decals on the nose and until a couple of years ago there were none on the quarters either! The ones that I slapped on there were not correct for a Superbird either! I think they were some direct connection truck decals. That will all go away now! In fact I am going back to the white decals that this Superbird originally came with. I didn't like the white but like the bird is more unusual! The one thing I am really torn up about is the 440 SIX PACK fender decals! Should I leave them off? Should I leave them on in black? Or should I put them on in white to match the other decals?
MJ
tough call on the six pack decals. get a set in black and white and make magnets out of them. Like the black scoops on our B5 car--you could tell at a glance whose car it is. Personally I'd put decals back on, but you're going through a LOT of time and money to make this one perfect.
Funny you mention wasting the decals--I did the same thing with our cars. for whatever reason the petty car came with Plymouth on the driver side only, and I also didn't want to waste the NOS stuff. I finally got tired of that and bought a repop one. I also got tired of the naked nose on the B5 car and my buddy and I just masked off where the black should go and painted it with trim black. that lasted like 10 years...
I'm a HUGE fan of white decals on Vitamin C, though!
Quote from: pettybird on February 13, 2012, 01:13:13 PM
I'm a HUGE fan of white decals on Vitamin C, though!
x2!
Quote from: Dave Kanofsky on February 13, 2012, 01:17:30 PM
Quote from: pettybird on February 13, 2012, 01:13:13 PM
I'm a HUGE fan of white decals on Vitamin C, though!
x2!
x3 three i say put the six pack back on in white !! if you dont like it or decide you want it stock they will come off :Twocents: :Twocents:
wow your trip sounds like my fear of when we came your way for the racecar but that weekend the weather was fine.
At Mt. Vernon you were only 30 miles away you should have called.......we were home.
At Effingham you were very close to the Barnicks and could have called them or my sister was only 10 miles away if you had wanted to stop right off of 70
Glad you made it safely, I am sure you will miss the car a lot while it is away.
I was gonna try to log onto Troy's website and :drool5: over his work but apparently his website is down.Is this right MJ?
Quote from: jonw29 on February 14, 2012, 10:52:07 AM
I was gonna try to log onto Troy's website and :drool5: over his work but apparently his website is down.Is this right MJ?
jonw29,
I'll check into his website and let you know! You can read through my personal experiance with his shop in my B5 Daytona post! He also has another restoration car being featured in the next Mopar Collectors Guide! It is a sassy grass green sunroof 1971 GTX! I'll also mention that he is a small shop and doesn't spend a lot of his customers money on advertising and show sponsorships! The bottom line is the restorations speak for themselves and he has one of the best labor rates in the buisness!
MJ
Recently I was out in the shop and decided to take the pile of stuff that was in the Superbird console into the house and sort through it.
I found almost all the license plate registrations going back to the late 70's. The dash plaques were already discussed in my story but there was other stuff I found from past meets. When I got done there was two stickers from the early Hoosier Auto Show and swap meets that were held in the infield of the Indianapolis 500 Track. Right next to them was the pass for this past years display also in the infield of the Indianapolis 500 Track! What really hit me at that moment was that 30 YEARS have gone by since the Superbird first arrived on that infield and last year! WOW does time fly by! I am hoping for an update on the Superbird restoration soon!
MJ
WHAT EVER HAPPENED WITH THIS SUPERBIRD RESTORATION??
Here is an update! When Troy Angelly dissasembled the Superbird he made a short list of things that we would need. I had a few spares here and had to find some things. Several of you on this forum have seen my ads and tried to help. I am still looking for an original passengers side wing washer and a drivers side outer wheelhouse.
Not to long ago a fellow Mopar guy Jerry Hogan passed away and some guys I know bought several parts cars and extra parts that he had. They saw my wanted ads and e-mailed me. I was able to go over there and cut the entire tailpanel and trunk gutters off a 1970 Sattelite. When I repaired the Superbird back in 1980 I didn't do a real nice job when I replaced the quarter panels where they met the taillight panel. Now with the NOS quarters, an original trunk floor and this piece the whole back end will be original MOPAR! I have attached a picture of the part I cut off. I also was looking for an original pair of passengers side headlight bracket pivots. After no responses to my wanted ad I decided to contact Erik Nelson who I had done buisness with before. I asked Erik if he could make me a pair of pivots? He responded quickly and after hearing my story and how I was trying to keep the Superbird original came up with a very nice pair of original pivots for me! WOW! I have attached a picture of those also.
I spoke with Troy last week and the Superbird body is back from REDI-STRIP! His shop is getting the back end ready to put the new original trunk floor in. He will need the tailpanel I have soon after that so I am going down there next Saturday. I will take some pictures then and will be picking up the pictures of work done up to this point! So stay tuned!
Mopar John
UPDATE!
Last Saturday my friend Jim from work who has a 1970 GTX 440 six pack and a 1971 Superbee 440 six pack made the trip down to Troy Angelly's shop. Jim went along to check the place out and I was there to drop off parts and bring some old stuff back. I dropped the Superbird off last January and this is my first visit. The Superbird has been completely disassembled and taken to REDI-STRIP! I feel the REDI-STRIP process saves time and money on labor! When the Superbird came back from REDI-STRIP it was steam cleaned and dried. Most of the rusty metal has been cut off and remaining parts are being prepped.
I will start getting you all caught up with this first batch of pictures! The first picture is of the Superbird with the incorrect pattern vinyl top removed and the doors off. The second picture shows the back half of the body stripped down! The last picture is from the front with the body all stripped down!
MJ
UPDATE PART 2!
Here are some more pictures of the Superbird being disassembled! The first picture is of the rear of the body with the window plug removed. I bought this piece NOS from Dave Patik back in the late 70's and is still in very good shape! The second picture shows the Superbird body with the drivers quarter panel removed! The last picture of this update shows the back of the body with the old quarters removed and the trunk floor. When I went to the dealer back in the late 70's I was able to buy NOS trunk floor extensions but not the trunk floor? I had an old Chrysler Imperial that I was parting and used the hood turned upside down for the new trunkfloor. Hey, at least it was still all Mopar! ENJOY!
MJ
Wow, that is one disected chicken!
:o
Quote from: Dave Kanofsky on October 30, 2012, 04:48:29 PM
Wow, that is one disected chicken!
Dave,
I was going to come back at you with a chicken thing but was afraid it would derail this topic! :smilielol:
MJ
REDI-STRIP!!
So once Troy and the guys had all the parts cut off that they didn't want to dip it was off to REDI-STRIP! The Superbird shell waited it's turn and then was put through the dip tank! Once it was done it's was back to Troy's shop for a good steam cleaning and drying!
The attached two pictures show the Superbird body all cleaned up and ready to go into the shop. Next up will be the metal work and sanding and priming! Stay tuned!
MJ
ENGINE COMPARTMENT!
Once the Superbird was moved inside work started right away on sanding and priming the body! This reply shows the passengers side of the outer engine compartment, the engine compartment and the drivers outer engine compartment. These areas only had to be lightly sanded and are ready for primer! The next reply will have these same areas in primer!
MJ
ENGINE COMPARTMENT PART 2!
Here are the same areas that are now in primer! WOW! It's on it's way back!
I knew the engine compartment was rust free as I had sanded it and painted it
for a Talladega reunion back in 2004!
MJ
PASSENGERS COMPARTMENT!
The passengers compartment was about the same as the engine compartment. It just needed a light sanding and would be ready for primer. The first 2 pictures ahow this area after it was sanded. The last 2 pictures show the same area already in primer! The front 2/3 of the body looks great at this point! ENJOY!
MJ
REAR FRAME RAILS AND CROSSMEMBER!!
Next up in the process was to get the rear frame rails ready! Believe it or not they held up real well also! The first 2 pictures show the left and right frame rails when they were back from REDI-STRIP. The third picture shows one of the frame rails with the top part taped and ready for the epoxy primer to protect them! The top was left bare because that is where the weldable primer will go. The last picture shows the rear frame rails and the crossmeber painted with the epoxy primer! Next up will be the original replacement trunk floor! ENJOY!
MJ
Look's great John. Doing it right.
Quote from: Hoser2455 on November 08, 2012, 11:23:59 PM
Look's great John. Doing it right.
THANKS!
I'll be back with more after the MCACN show!
MJ
REPLACEMENT TRUNK FLOOR!
With the frame rails in primer it was now time to start on the replacement trunk floor. The floor is an original out of a rust free car that was parted out years ago. The floor was REDI-STRIPPED also. The attached pictures show differant views of the floor. The guys were trimming off the extras that were cut out with the floor. Next they were going to weld up a few of the extra holes that were drilled and start fitting it! I can't wait till it's welded in!
MJ
Quote from: Mopar John on November 27, 2012, 07:55:26 PM
REPLACEMENT TRUNK FLOOR!
Wow,,, that's what my 500 needs.... Good stuff...
:2thumbs: :popcrn:
That's nice work and all, but if they really want to impress me they'd turn your old trunk floor back into an Imperial hood :lol:
Quote from: pettybird on November 30, 2012, 10:43:46 AM
That's nice work and all, but if they really want to impress me they'd turn your old trunk floor back into an Imperial hood :lol:
Doug,
There is a picture of the old Imperial hood with the trunk floor cut out of it on my B5 Daytona story! It is on page 4 and the reply is dated Jan 4th 2010! The guys at the shop are not real happy with my old body work as it was all brazed together. The REDI-STRIP process does not remove the old brazing material and it kind of melts as it is ground off!
On another note I have been working on saving the individuality of my Superbird. Kind of like you and mom leaving the black fender scoops on the B5 bird. Watch for deatils soon!
MJ
NOS QUARTER PANEL PREP AND TRUNKLID PREP!!
While there is time between other work several items were being prepped at the shop. The NOS quarter panels were sanded down and primed on the back side. Next the sound deadner was sprayed on. I have attached a couple of pictures of this work going on the passengers side quarter! With this work complete the quarters are ready to be fitted to the Superbird body when the trunk floor is installed!
Next up is the trunklid! It was REDI-STRIPPED also and then sanded. Troy asked me what I had put into that trunk as it had several dings in it from the bottom side. We'll I've hauled all kinds of stuff in there including tables and chairs used at national meets. The third picture shows the sanded trunklid with the dings repaired and the last picture shows the bottom side in primer ready to fit on the body also! ENJOY!
MJ
Quote from: Mopar John on November 30, 2012, 08:58:14 PM
Troy asked me what I had put into that trunk as it had several dings in it from the bottom side. We'll I've hauled all kinds of stuff in there including tables and chairs used at national meets.
I'm not sure what HASN'T been hauled in cars like ours!
I brought 13 foot long boxes home from work sticking out of the trunk of my bird years ago :2thumbs: :cheers: Rick
Quote from: talkiemopar on November 30, 2012, 11:21:08 PM
I brought 13 foot long boxes home from work sticking out of the trunk of my bird years ago :2thumbs: :cheers: Rick
heard that story a couple times at least , also one about trees and planters :icon_smile_big: :icon_smile_big: :icon_smile_big:
Quote from: moparstuart on December 01, 2012, 10:44:55 AM
Quote from: talkiemopar on November 30, 2012, 11:21:08 PM
I brought 13 foot long boxes home from work sticking out of the trunk of my bird years ago :2thumbs: :cheers:Rick
heard that story a couple times at least , also one about trees and planters :icon_smile_big: :icon_smile_big: :icon_smile_big:
potted trees wins everything, including the internet.
And then there were the big flower pots with evergreen trees in them.Pot was 2 feet tall by 22 inches across.Trees were 5 feet tall. Took bucket seat out,put pot on rocker,put door against pot,put rope from door handle to rear seat belt.Took two of them home like that.That's what you do when you don't have a truck.That was around 1975.Bird still lives with161.000 miles..Rick. :2thumbs: :2thumbs: :nana:
Quote from: talkiemopar on December 01, 2012, 01:26:36 PM
And then there were the big flower pots with evergreen trees in them.Pot was 2 feet tall by 22 inches across.Trees were 5 feet tall. Took bucket seat out,put pot on rocker,put door against pot,put rope from door handle to rear seat belt.Took two of them home like that.That's what you do when you don't have a truck.That was around 1975.Bird still lives with161.000 miles..Rick. :2thumbs: :2thumbs: :nana:
ok now i've heard it three times but at least this time it was the reader digest condensed version :nana: :nana: :nana: :smilielol: :smilielol: :smilielol: :smilielol: :smilielol:
440 SIX PACK DECALS!!
We'll I had some discussion a while back about my 440 SIX PACK T/A style fender decals. Here is what I have decided! Too many cars are loosing their identity when they are restored. We are going back to the original white wing and quarter decals that our Superbird was born with! For many years there were no quarter decals and no nose decals as I had planned to restore the Superbird. A while back I found some 2/3 size Direct Connection black Plymouth decals and put them on the quarter panels. When the Superbird is done we are going to put the 440 SIX PACK decals back on the front fenders but they are going to be white to match the quarter and wing decals! I have taken a picture of one still in the package sitting on an orange door to give you an idea of what it's going to look like! So when you see black decals it will be pre restoration and white decals will be post restoration!
MJ
:2thumbs: :2thumbs: :2thumbs: i'm glad I for one loved seeing then on your car
Quote from: moparstuart on December 15, 2012, 05:06:41 PM
:2thumbs: :2thumbs: :2thumbs: i'm glad I for one loved seeing then on your car
Me too. No mistaking your car for someone else's.
HAPPY NEW YEAR!
After seeing Jeff's EK2 Superbird update it motivated me to post about our EK2 Bird! This post is about the doors! Once the Superbird was disassembled Troy and the guys removed the old door skins before sending the frames to REDI-STRIP! This would help clean up all the seam areas before the new NOS skins would go on! The first two pictures are of the drivers door frame primered inside and out. The last two pictures are of the passengers door frame primered inside and out.
MJ
SUPERBIRD DOORS CONTINUED!
Once back from REDI-STRIP the door frames looked to be in very good shape! There were a couple of small areas such as where one of the weatherstrip clip holes were that needed some attention. Once the door frames were in primer it was time to install the NOS door skins! The second and third pictures show the original part numbers stenciled on the skins! The last picture shows the door frames with the NOS skins now fitted on them. The skins were attached and the doors stored away ready for installation on the body!
I am now out of pictures and will have to wait for the next invoice to share the progress! STAY TUNED!
MJ
John, looking good!
Glad your putting the six pack decal back on. :2thumbs:
:2thumbs:
:scope: :2thumbs:
:2thumbs:.
Lookin' good John... :2thumbs:
Looks great John! :cheers:
John, are they using panel bonding adhesive to install the new door skins?
Doug,
Yes, there is some type of adhesive/sealer being applied. Next up will be to fold all the edges into place and spot weld in the same spots as the factory did! Great observation!
I would like to thank everyone for following along and all the positive comments!
MJ
SUPERBIRD WIPER MOTOR!
Way back in 2003 we had the engine, transmission and rearend rebuilt getting ready for the Talladega 2004 meet.
While the engine and trans were out I repainted and detailed the engine compartment. Many items were taken care
of such as the original coil and voltage regulator. But for one reason or another I never got to the wiper motor?
I did a light bead blast and put some spray bomb clear on it. I have attached a picture of how it looked then.
Fast forward to late October 2012 and I boxed up the wiper motor and sent it off to "JULES THE WIPERMAN"! He told
me it would take 6 to 8 weeks due to all the differant plating that had to be done. This past week it showed up! It was
packaged real well and looks GREAT! I have attached a picture of how well it was packaged and the a back view
and finally a front view! I have it put away with the pile of parts that I will take on my next visit to the restoration
shop!
MJ
What did that cost? I need to do it, here, too.
Quote from: pettybird on January 18, 2013, 03:49:36 PM
What did that cost? I need to do it, here, too.
did you try kim at passion4mopars
great work
https://www.facebook.com/pages/Passion4Mopars/244743682218028?ref=ts&fref=ts
http://www.passion4mopars.com/
Quote from: pettybird on January 18, 2013, 03:49:36 PM
What did that cost? I need to do it, here, too.
Doug,
Just this morning I was putting the paperwork away now that the restored wiper motor is here safe and sound. The cost for a full restoration by Jules including internals was $260.00. The return shipping from Canada was another $35.00. Not only did my motor need cosmetics but it didn't PARK! When you turned off the switch that is where it stopped! Although I got pretty good at timing the stop near the bottom of the windshield!
MJ
John, Jules did my wiper motor also and he did a great job! A little pricey but well worth it. He also did my emergency brake assembly, wiper linkage, 4 speed pedal assembly, and my steering column.
Jules kicks butt - all of his stuff is correct, beautiful - and the stuff works properly :2thumbs:
SUPERBIRD RESTORATION UPDATE! DRIVERS HINGE PILLAR!
Last week I received another invoice on the Superbird restoration along with a batch of pictures!
I had been waiting for an update and this was a BIG move forward! I will start out with some pictures of the drivers hinge pillar.
Even though the body had been REDI-STRIPPED Troy wanted to make sure there was no rust anywhere! The first picture shows
the drivers hinge pillar cut open. You can see some things that needed attention. This wouldn't have been possible without opening
this area up. The second picture shows the same area cleaned up. The third and fourth pictures show the work done and the
weldable primer ready for re assembly!
MJ
DRIVERS HINGE PILLAR PART 2!
This batch of pictures show more work taking place on the drivers hinge pillar! The first picture shows the cover back in place with some work done at the front of the sill plate area. There had been some repairs done there in the past by me that didn't look so good. The second picture shows the cover welded and finished. The last picture shows this area in epoxy primer and ready for the next step!
In my next segment I will move over to the passengers side hinge pillar!
MJ
PASSENGERS SIDE HINGE PILLAR!
The work now moved around to the passengers side hinge pillar! When I made my visit after the body was REDI-STRIPPED Troy and I went over all the problem areas of the body. We decided that this outer panel should be replaced and not all patched together!
The first 2 pictures show what it looked like before the repairs. The last picture shows this area with the panel removed! This shows what the good old Florida salt water does as it makes it's way down from the cowl! WOW!
PASSENGERS SIDE HINGE PILLAR PART 2!
Troy had a parts car that had many nice pieces on it and had the guys remove the passengers hinge cover for the Superbird!
The first picture shows the part after it was removed. The second picture shows it after it was blasted. The third picture shows the pieces in primer. The last picture shows the replacement piece ready to install!
PASSENGERS SIDE HINGE PILLAR PART 3!
With the replacement pillar ready to install it was time to prep the body for the new part! The first picture shows the to area of the pillar prepped. The second picture shows the lower area prepped. The last two pictures show more of an overall view of the prep! Next will be the installation!
PASSENGERS SIDE HINGE PILLAR FINAL!
In this part it all comes together! The first picture shows the new part clamped in place ready for welding! The second picture shows the new part welded in! The third picture shows the passengers hinge pillar finished and ready for primer! The last picture shows the part installed and primed! WOW!
DOOR HINGES!
With the door hinge pillars restored the next step in the process was the door hinges! The first picture shows the
hinges after they were REDI-STRIPPED. The second picture shows the hinges in primer after they were cleaned
and rebuilt. The third picture shows the drivers side hinges installed! The last picture shows the hinges installed
and the drivers door hung! At this point the passengers hinges were also installed and the door also. I don't have
pictures of that side to share. SORRY!
DRIVERS QUARTER WINDOW PANEL REPLACEMENT!
When I first bought the Superbird in the late 70's the drivers quarter window was all scratched up in an arc pattern??
Also when I rolled down the window I could hear a scratching noise?? I removed the back seat and rear panel and found
that the drivers quarter window panel was all bent up? I didn't know why? I took a pair of channel lock pliers and flattened
out the bent up panel the best I could. At least the window wasn't rubbing the metal any More! When I removed the quarter
panel around 1980 I found damage to it and the front of the outer wheelhouse! The previous owner must have used the
openings in the window panel to try and pound out the damage! This in turn bent the panel all up! My first picture shows
the damaged panel and wheelhouse. The second picture shows the panel being removed at the factory seams. The last
picture shows the donor panel from another car clamped in place for welding!
MJ
DRIVERS QUARTER WINDOW PANEL REPLACEMENT PART 2!
The first picture shows the seat belt bolt plate ready to be welded to the replacement panel. The second picture shows
the same plate welded in place. The last picture shows the replacement panel installed and the outer wheelhouse repaired!
MJ
WHEELHOUSE RESTORATION!
With the drivers quarter window panel finished up it was time to move back to the wheelhouses. The wheelhouses were in pretty good shape overall. The drivers side needed that dent repair that I mentioned in the quarter window replacement. Both sides needed little things here and there due to the original quarters being removed by me years ago and now those used quarters being removed now.
There was some grinding work from where I used brazing rod back then. The guys say that is difficult to remove compared to the wire welding metal! My first picture shows the drivers side wheelhouse before and the second picture shows it in primer and ready to be covered up by the NOS quarter panel. The third picture shows the back of the passengers side before. You can see some of that brazing weld where I welded in new trunk floor extensions years ago. The last picture shows the passengers side wheelhouse also in primer and ready to be covered up! You will also notice some trunk floor progress in the pictures and my next segment will cover that!!
MJ
Wow John,
That's awesome...... Inspirational !!! How do you do it?
:2thumbs:
Looks great!
Quote from: hemi68charger on March 09, 2013, 01:06:11 PM
Wow John,
That's awesome...... Inspirational !!! How do you do it?
:2thumbs:
Thanks Troy!
My part is using a great shop that doesn't double and triple bill and stays on track. I also give them no reason to pull off my project for lack of payment or parts. Once a shop starts work on another car and buries yours somewhere out back it's hard to get going again! I also try to find as many of the parts for the project as I can. The Superbird is way ahead of this story! I will post more late next week!
MJ
Quote from: Hoser2455 on March 09, 2013, 04:04:59 PM
Looks great!
Thanks! I hope you are enjoying the restoration story! My goal is TALLADEGA 2014!!
MJ
TRUNK FLOOR!
This set of pictures showall the work that was done to install the original floor that was removed from a rust free donor car!
The first picture shows some of the holes welded up that were drilled in the wrong spots. The second picture shows some repairs
to the gas tank brace on the bottom side. The third picture shows the drivers side holes all drilled and ready for installation. The
last picture shows all the passengers side holes drilled and ready!
All I can say is "Wow !!" :2thumbs:
TRUNK FLOOR PART 2!
In this set of pictures I have more work being done on the trunk floor! The first picture shows the floor now fitted to the body
and the passengers side quarter extension in place. The second picture shows the bottom side of the trunk floor ready for installation!
The third picture shows the passengers side welded to the frame rails. The last picture shows the drivers side welded to the frame rails!
TRUNK FLOOR PART 3!
This is the final batch of pictures of the trunk floor installation! The first picture shows the floor welded and now prepped. The second picture is another of the trunk floor prepped. The third picture shows the trunk floor in epoxy primer. The last picture shows the floor in
a block and sand primer. I am really excited that I have an original trunk floor back in the Superbird for the first time since 1980! WOW!
MJ
Quote from: hemi68charger on March 16, 2013, 01:54:07 PM
All I can say is "Wow !!" :2thumbs:
Troy,
I am with you on the WOW thing! The work is moving along real well and I have more to post soon!
MJ
Some really good work going on there :2thumbs: :popcrn: :popcrn: :popcrn: I hope I don't leave crumbs on the floor :icon_smile_big: :popcrn:
:cheers: Great looking floor!
Quote from: stroker400 wedge on March 16, 2013, 04:57:54 PM
Some really good work going on there :2thumbs: :popcrn: :popcrn: :popcrn: I hope I don't leave crumbs on the floor :icon_smile_big: :popcrn:
Quote from: 1966hemi on March 16, 2013, 06:24:24 PM
:cheers: Great looking floor!
Thanks for kind comments guys! My next post will show some more progress on the Superbird!
MJ
HOOD HINGES and DUTCHMANS PANEL
When I posted about the door hinges being prepped and rebuilt I forgot to mention the hood hinges. While the guys were doing the door hinges they also did the hood hinges! My first picture shows the hood hinges blasted and ready for primer. The second picture shows them drying and now in primer.
Next up is the rear dutchman panel. The third picture in this post show a support that was cut off while removing parts possibly by me way years ago? The last picture shows a new piece fabricated and welded in place!
In my next post I will have more on the dutchmans panel!
MJ
DUTCHMANS PANEL PART 2!
In this segment I will show the last of the pictures on the dutchmans panel and rear window area prep. The first picture shows the left bottom corner of the rear window frame. These lower corners are notorious for rusting out letting water in and then destroying the trunk floor!! This corner and the other needed some work and were repaired. The second picture shows the bottom of the dutchmans panel that I was able to buy NOS back around 1980! The backside is still in factory primer and has the original part number 2838712 stenciled on it! WOW! The third picture shows the top side of the dutchmans panel with overspray showing where the Superbird window plug covered part of it. The last picture shows the dutchmans panel all cleaned up and ready for installation!
This post contains the last of the pictures from that billing cycle! Not long after this Linda and I traveled down to Troy's shop with parts for the restoration! The Superbird is way ahead of this story and I can't wait to get you all up to speed! Speaking of speed, I am thinking we are in good shape to make Talladega 2014 with this Superbird!
MJ
RICK SOUTHE
In this segment I would like to discuss parts. As you know the average restoration takes a bunch of parts. My go to guy for original Mopar parts is Rick Southe! He is the parts manager at my local dealership and ALWAYS takes the time out to help me. He knows darn well that some of my calls are just for information and will NOT lead to a sale for him but he helps none the less! First off he tells me if a part is still available. There are some guys on EBAY and MOPARTS selling stuff that you would think is no longer available but it is.
Rick also knows how to run the locator and see if any thing is still out there and help me with that also. Rick has a helper Julie that does real well in his rare vacation days or sick days also! While on Rick he owns a rare 2 year only Dodge Demon! He has been working on several upgrades that will surprise you when you think a 318 has pulled up next to you! I'm not going to spoil the suprise on that!
THANKS RICK!!!!!
Recently Linda and I made a visit to visit Troy's restoration shop and drop off some parts. While there I was given some Chrysler documents. There was a pick tag like the ones we discussed in my Daytona article, a shipping tag and a couple of shipping labels from parts I ordered in the past! Back in the late 70's and early 80's the dealership I used was Mertl Motors. In the upper left corner of the attached picture is a shipping label for one of the 2965947 trunk floor extensions I installed back then. In the lower left corner is another
shipping label for a couple of 3571114 black PLYMOUTH quarter decals! I wish I had bought more! WOW!
MJ
Looking good John!
:2thumbs:
I cant wait to see this one finished!
Keep up the good work
Scott
Scott,
I hope you don't have to see it from the inside again! I'm just kidding and hope your luck changes and you don't need another ride!
MJ
Quote from: Mopar John on April 01, 2013, 03:17:01 PM
Scott,
I hope you don't have to see it from the inside again! I'm just kidding and hope your luck changes and you don't need another ride!
MJ
Thanks John, mine is up and running again! but only running in the garage so far. I'm still waiting for the salt to be washed away before I get out and do my testing and tuning! Here in Central Il, we got all of this winters snow in March!
MORE ON PARTS!
About a month ago Linda and I took a short trip to Nashville, Tennessee and stopped at Troy Angelly's shop on the way down.
We planned this trip to be there when all the metal work was done and drop off parts to continue on with the project! I have pictures from that visit but it jumps ahead of this story, so I'll wait on that. The Superbird looked great and was almost ready for a short time in the bondo room and then primer!
So here are some pictures of the parts I had saved up over the years and dropped off on the visit. The first picture shows mainly nose area parts that include an NOS nose wire/vacum harness and some NOS nose seals! The second picture is mainly engine compartment parts that include a recently discussed NOS F E oil cap, NOS power steering resevoir cap, and the restored wiper motor! The third picture shows some interior stuff including NOS arm rest bases and pads along with door hadles, a dome light housing and lens! The last picture shows the parts for the back end of the Superbird that includes NOS shocks, NOS trunk seal, NOS rear body wire harness, NOS rear sidemarker parts and NOS exhaust tips and clamps!
The next visit is planned for when the body is painted and assembled!
MJ
Pretty good stash there................ :2thumbs:
Troy,
I had been saving odds and ends for this car before I started on the B5 Daytona! Since that trip I have found a few more goodies scattered around and have to get them down there. But I will say this that there are less rare pieces to the Superbird!
MJ
:scope: nice work :yesnod: :coolgleamA: , keep the pictures coming :cheers: :popcrn:
No update on the Superbird today! Just wishing my wife 426 Linda HAPPY BIRTHDAY today!
MJ
John, it's been a month - any update? :popcrn: :popcrn:
Mike,
You are not the first to ask! I have some friends who are really interested in the restoration of this Superbird that I have had forever.
There was a snafu with the pictures that went with the last invoice. Just last week I received them and a photo disk! I will try and get something started later today. I have to work 3 16's and 2 12's then get ready for yet another national wing car meet! So, if I don't get going today it will be another couple of weeks!
MJ
DRIVERS SIDE QUARTER PANEL INSTALLATION!!
We'll after after Mike ( 1970Moparmann ) got me jump started here we go! This post has pictures of the Superbird NOS drivers side quarter panel installation! The first picture shows some door latch pillar repair from where the old quarter panel was removed. The second picture shows this area repaired and welded. The third picture shows again this area mocked up with screws to hold the quarter panel in place. The last picture shows the door opening also mocked up!
MJ
DRIVERS SIDE QUARTER PANEL INSTALLATION PART 2!
In this post we continue on the drivers side quarter panel installation! The first picture shows the drivers side wheel opening mocked up with the NOS quarter panel. The second picture shows quarter and trunk floor extension mocked up. Now things get exciting, At least for me! The third picture shows the drivers side quarter lined up with the door. The last picture shows the drivers side quarter lined up with the already prepped trunklid! WOW! The panel alignment was one of the reasons the whole backend of the Superbird needed to be redone. My body work from years ago was poor on panel fit and alignment!
MJ
Looking good John! Glad I can push you on the forum... :2thumbs:
Hey, where are the RECENT pictures, those say 2011! :shruggy:
His mail is still delivered by Pony Express.
Thanks for the update :2thumbs: :popcrn: :popcrn: :popcrn: :popcrn:
Thanks guys! They use junk cameras in the shop as they get beat up at times. The date stamp is way off! The pictures are from this spring!
MJ
SUPERBIRD GLASS!
Linda and I attended the national wing car meet near Detroit this past week. We were wingless but got to go along and see all our friends! The show was great and I will post some pictures on the post for the meet.
On our way home we stopped to pick up our Superbirds glass! It took several month's and a lot of man hours to get all the defects out. The biggest chore was the original back glass that had several long scratches that were fairly deep and some DA sander marks! The glass is now here safe and sound ready for the next visit to the restoration shop. This is a HUGE item checked off the to do list!
My goal is to have the restored Superbird at the next national wing car meet in Talladega 2014!
MJ
Best of luck making the meet. Glad you had fun at this year's.
PASSENGERS SIDE QUARTER PANEL INSTALLATION!
In this segment I will share some pictures of the passengers side quarter panel installation. This side shows some differant views such as the trunk floor prepped and the trunk floor extension also prepped. Those are the first 2 pictures. The third picture shows the NOS passengers quarter panel installed. The last picture shows alignment and gap with the trunklid.
MJ
PASSENGERS SIDE QUARTER PANEL INSTALLATION PART 2!
Here are some more pictures of the work that went on to install the passengers side quarter panel! The first picture is inside the wheelhouse looking to the rear. The second picture is of the back corner of the body showing all the alignments and gaps. The third picture is of the seam where the quarter panel meets the rocker panel. This will need to be leaded up later. The last picture in this segment is of the passengers side quarter panel to door gap. With the trunk floor and quarters installed it's starting to look like a car again! ENJOY!
MJ
Good progress John! It will be exciting to see some paint on it. :2thumbs:
TRUNK GUTTER AND INSIDE QUARTER DETAILS!
With the quarter panels installed it was time to weld up the trunk gutters. The trunk gutters are made up of 2 pieces on each side. One goes from the dutchman panel along the side and the other forms the the lower corner. We were able to salvage some and find the rest original from other cars! Here are some pictures showing that work and the detail inside the quarter panel areas. You can see all the seams and body lines now all coming together!
MJ
nice work :coolgleamA: :2thumbs: :popcrn:
Can't wait to see some color on the car! John, you amaze me with the "original" parts your able to obtain over the years. :2thumbs:
Looking great man, :2thumbs: What did you use on the inside of the NOS quarter ? Is it spray on bed liner ?
Thanks guys for the comments! Mike I have some parts ready to take down to the shop including a very nice original console I bought from fellow Daytona owner Tony Malcein. I also have the original polished glass and some other small tid bits. I am waiting to go when it's orange again and it should be soon!
MJ
Quote from: Highbanked Hauler on July 05, 2013, 01:47:21 PM
Looking great man, :2thumbs: What did you use on the inside of the NOS quarter ? Is it spray on bed liner ?
The insides of the quarter panels were sprayed with some type of body schultz before they were installed on the Superbird body.
You can scroll back and see them taped off and laying on shop racks earlier in the story. This method is easier for the guys as you don't get oversray on other areas where it's not wanted!
Thanks! MJ
REAR CROSSMEMBER CORNERS!
With the inside work done it was time to finish off where the rear crossmember meets the corners, floor and trunk floor extensions. This area is a nightmare of bends, joints and welds. It is often compromised on details because it's behind the bumper. The first three pictures show the work on the passengers cornerand the last picture shows the drivers side corner.
MJ
SUPERBIRD REAR WINDOW PLUG!
With the new quarter panels installed it was time to make the body back into a Superbird again! It was time for the rear window plug! Back in the late 70's when I was getting ready to repair the Superbird myself I bought an NOS Chrysler rear window plug. I purchased it from Dave Patik who now has the PERFORMANCE CAR GRAPHICS buisness. The first picture shows the rear window plug as it looked when it was cut out for the restoration. The next 3 pictures show the back side of the window plug as it was removed. You will notice the remnants of my brazing it in. You will also see the original factory primer still on the backside!
MJ
SUPERBIRD REAR WINDOW PLUG PART 2!
The first thing they did at the shop was prep the back side for installation. The first 2 pictures show the back side prepped. The work then moved to the outside and the last 2 pictures show the outside prepped and ready! WOW!
MJ
Great resto!! These pictures are priceless :drool5:
Quote from: Hemi Runner on July 15, 2013, 08:18:26 PM
Great resto!! These pictures are priceless :drool5:
Hemi Runner,
Thanks for the interest and kind comments! These replies and more private pm's and calls are what keeps me posting pictures!
The interest is not as high for the Superbird as it was for the Daytona but still a worthwhile project!
MJ
Quote from: Mopar John on July 17, 2013, 12:14:04 PM
Quote from: Hemi Runner on July 15, 2013, 08:18:26 PM
Great resto!! These pictures are priceless :drool5:
Hemi Runner,
Thanks for the interest and kind comments! These replies and more private pm's and calls are what keeps me posting pictures!
The interest is not as high for the Superbird as it was for the Daytona but still a worthwhile project!
MJ
sorry if I havent drooled enough john although i love both cars my heart lies with the PLYMOUTH
So i'm following this one much more then the daytona even though the daytonas were local cars
:drool5: :drool5: :drool5: :drool5: :drool5: :drool5: :drool5: :drool5: :drool5: :drool5: :drool5: :drool5: :drool5: :drool5: :drool5: :drool5: :drool5: :drool5: :drool5: :drool5: :drool5: :drool5: :drool5: :drool5: :drool5: :drool5: :drool5: :drool5: :drool5: :drool5: :drool5: :drool5: :drool5: :drool5: :2thumbs:
SUPERBIRD REAR WINDOW PLUG PART 3!
Moving along with the Superbird rear window plug I start out with the special channels that are attached to the stock Road Runner rear window opening. These channels when installed allow for a recessed mount of the Superbird window plug. This in turn allows the seam to be filled in rather than a raised more difficult seam to work out! The last 3 pictures shows differant views of this special channel installed on the drivers side, passengers side and top. The bottom doesn't use the channel and is spot welded in the trunk gutter in the same area as the original dutchman panel.
MJ
SUPERBIRD REAR WINDOW PLUG PART 4!
With the special channels now in place it was time to weld the original window plug back in!! The first 3 pictures show the welded in plug on the drivers side, top and passengers side! The last picture shows the gap between the plug and front of the trunklid! WOW! This is one gap that I had way off and got water in the trunk every time I washed the Superbird! ENJOY!
MJ
Quote from: moparstuart on July 17, 2013, 12:19:17 PM
Quote from: Mopar John on July 17, 2013, 12:14:04 PM
Quote from: Hemi Runner on July 15, 2013, 08:18:26 PM
Great resto!! These pictures are priceless :drool5:
Hemi Runner,
Thanks for the interest and kind comments! These replies and more private pm's and calls are what keeps me posting pictures!
The interest is not as high for the Superbird as it was for the Daytona but still a worthwhile project!
MJ
sorry if I havent drooled enough john although i love both cars my heart lies with the PLYMOUTH
So i'm following this one much more then the daytona even though the daytonas were local cars
:drool5: :drool5: :drool5: :drool5: :drool5: :drool5: :drool5: :drool5: :drool5: :drool5: :drool5: :drool5: :drool5: :drool5: :drool5: :drool5: :drool5: :drool5: :drool5: :drool5: :drool5: :drool5: :drool5: :drool5: :drool5: :drool5: :drool5: :drool5: :drool5: :drool5: :drool5: :drool5: :drool5: :drool5: :2thumbs:
Thanks Stuart!
I thought you ran out of drool with all the neat topics coming to light on this forum!
Just a little side note here, I have bought a few real nice NOS pieces for the other local Daytona as of late! I don't know what will happen with that one?
MJ
Quote from: Mopar John on July 17, 2013, 12:32:07 PM
Quote from: moparstuart on July 17, 2013, 12:19:17 PM
Quote from: Mopar John on July 17, 2013, 12:14:04 PM
Quote from: Hemi Runner on July 15, 2013, 08:18:26 PM
Great resto!! These pictures are priceless :drool5:
Hemi Runner,
Thanks for the interest and kind comments! These replies and more private pm's and calls are what keeps me posting pictures!
The interest is not as high for the Superbird as it was for the Daytona but still a worthwhile project!
MJ
sorry if I havent drooled enough john although i love both cars my heart lies with the PLYMOUTH
So i'm following this one much more then the daytona even though the daytonas were local cars
:drool5: :drool5: :drool5: :drool5: :drool5: :drool5: :drool5: :drool5: :drool5: :drool5: :drool5: :drool5: :drool5: :drool5: :drool5: :drool5: :drool5: :drool5: :drool5: :drool5: :drool5: :drool5: :drool5: :drool5: :drool5: :drool5: :drool5: :drool5: :drool5: :drool5: :drool5: :drool5: :drool5: :drool5: :2thumbs:
Thanks Stuart!
I thought you ran out of drool with all the neat topics coming to light on this forum!
Just a little side note here, I have bought a few real nice NOS pieces for the other local Daytona as of late! I don't know what will happen with that one?
MJ
you have to make one a driver , you need one you can drive and enjoy :2thumbs:
John if you want a driver shouldn't you get a driver 500? I will gladly donate one to you in exchange for the other Daytona.
Quote from: 69_500 on July 18, 2013, 02:30:32 PM
John if you want a driver shouldn't you get a driver 500? I will gladly donate one to you in exchange for the other Daytona.
and there it is :smilielol: :smilielol: :smilielol:
:scratchchin:
SUPERBIRD REAR WINDOW PLUG PART 5!
In this short post I have attached only 3 pictures showing the window plug welds now ground. The first one is the passengers side top corner. The second one is across the top and the last one is the passengers side lower.
MJ
SUPERBIRD REAR WINDOW PLUG FINAL!
This is the last set of pictures I have on the Superbird rear window plug! With it welded in and all the welds ground it was time to spray some primer on it! I have attached 4 pictures with the first being the drivers side. The second is the passengers side. The third is a view of the top. The last one is a full view of the original plug reinstalled and for now in primer! ENJOY!
MJ
SUPERBIRD COWL REPAIR!
With the back of the body done it was time to move up front! Troy had called me when the body came back from REDI-DTRIP and we went over all the areas the would need attention. He told me that there was a bad spot near the windshield seal on the passengers side of the cowl? The first picture shows that spot when it came back from REDI-STRIP. The second picture shows the bad area cut out. The third picture shows my donor cowl for metal to keep it as original as possible! The last picture shows the replacement piece welded in!
MJ
SUPERBIRD COWL REPAIR PART 2 AND FENDERS!
I mixed a couple of pictures in the previous post! The first picture shows the larger area repaired and ground!
With the cowl area done it was time to mount the front fenders! The last three pictures show the front fenders mounted and lined up on the SUPERBIRD body! WOW! You can see that the hood hinges that were restored earlier are also mounted and waiting for the hood!
MJ
I like how good this one is turning out so far. :2thumbs:
SUPERBIRD HOOD!
With the fenders bolted up and the hood hinges in place it was time to install the hood! This series of pictres should be of interest for anyone who has removed a hood and stood it up on it's back corners! The first picture shows the passengers rear corner of the hood. You can see how the weight of the hood flattened this corner! OUCH! The second picture shows this same area after it was repaired. The third picture shows the drivers side rear corner of the hood with the same damage! The last picture shows that area repaired.
When taking a hood off it is better to lay it on one of the flat sides to eliminate this type of damage!
Next up will be pictures of the body minus the nosecone ready for the final prep!
MJ
Looking good John!
Now I am going to have to check my hood. :eek2: We had it sitting that way for a couple of months while we changed the engine and other things.
Well, I confess. I've been guilty of setting it up that a way. :brickwall: :slap:
Mopar John, was that on a concrete floor? Don't know for sure, but that may've been the difference. I know of a bird hood that was stood up for 22yrs! ~3yrs in a barn on wood 2x4's, then he moved it into an old house for another 19yrs just on the carpeted floor, with not corner damage.
But I agree, not a good way to store'm, just convenient.
Me myself, I think I have 5 hood's standing up (not Birds,...I wish!). The youngest about 3 yrs, the oldest about 30yrs. Every time I've had to move one I'd looked at the corners, but don't remember any damage.
But now that I see your damage :eek2:, I'll have to double check.
Now I'll have to check mine. I stored mine the same way, but it was sitting on top of an old pair of tennis shoes, so it would not damage it. Hopefully it did not.
Always store them on the sides - less work later! ;)
Quote from: maxwellwedge on August 01, 2013, 08:42:50 AM
Always store them on the sides - less work later! ;)
:yesnod: :yesnod: :yesnod: yup its ok to store them upright just not on the nose or on the rear corners always on its side . :Twocents:
WOW!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
A lot of reaction on the hood post! I think most of us just bring the hood forward once it's unbolted and set it on the floor upright. It takes some twisting and turning to go the extra step and lay it on one of the flat sides. In my case I did have it stood upright on the corners when I was bead blasting it and other things. I know for a while I had it on scrap pieces of wood also. I hope this post will help others avoid this damage. So now when you go to shows you can look at the rear corners of the hoods and see if it's damaged or not?
I used to look at the top side of the hoods to see if a sandblaster got carried away and warped the hood or if you could see an impression of the under hood bracing!
Thanks for all the comments! MJ
Sometime in the life of my superbird hood someone put it down on its corners really hard , but that was the least of its problems .
Well I checked to be sure. Out of the 5 hoods, I could see all the corners but 1 & no damage. The hood that's been standing up for 30 yrs is off a 69 GTX with air grabber. Imagine the weight that's on those corners, but no damage that I can see.
:sorry: not meaning to sound like I'm arguing, ...just puzzling.
But how many times before now when the car was just an old car earlier in its life that the motor got changed and the hood was off I do not think anybody was worried about the corners :)
lots of hoods would have this beauty mark on them for this reason
SUPERBIRD BODY!!
With all the metal repairs done it was time to move the body to the BONDO ROOM as they call it at the shop! Here they do the finish work and primer! This batch of pictures shows the Superbird body on a dolly being moved. The first picture is of the drivers side. The second picture is of the rear of the body. The third picture is of the passengers side. The last picture is of the passengers side front corner.
I was really excited at this point that all the rust and damage was gone! These pictures were the last that came with the invoice from May of this year. Just last week I received another invoice and another batch of pictures. I will start to share those soon! ENJOY!
MJ
Looks awesome John! The lines are perfect. :2thumbs:
Looks awesome MJ. I always look forward to progress and your stories! :2thumbs:
Looks great John, will look Sat. for the N.O.S. piece. Think I am getting the mind of a dog, turn around & forget what I was looking for. :smilielol:.
Thanks for all the kind comments! Now on to the JULY invoice and pictures!
DENT REMOVAL!
Once in the bondo room at the shop the first item of buisness was dent removal. Here anything that could be pulled to a more even surface was done. The first 3 pictures show small dents that were being removed from the once NOS drivers side quarter panel. This panel was found in an unwrapped unprotected state when I bought it. Over the years it got a couple of small dings as it was moved around. The last picture shows a dent being removed on the taillight panel.
MJ
Looking good! :2thumbs:
nice work , :drool5: looking good :yesnod: :popcrn:
Don't take this too seriously as :stirthepot:, just having some fun :poke:, but it is interesting that Chrysler would do this. I did not look for this pic to show this, just stumbled on it again looking for something else & it reminded me of the subject of the hood corners.
Quote from: thehemikid on August 18, 2013, 04:26:38 PM
Don't take this too seriously as :stirthepot:, just having some fun :poke:, but it is interesting that Chrysler would do this. I did not look for this pic to show this, just stumbled on it again looking for something else & it reminded me of the subject of the hood corners.
NO PROBLEM on the picture! I hope that the post will help others be carefull with their hoods and avoid the damage I made!
MJ
BONDO!
This series of pictures will show the final picture of the dent removal process and the Bondo! Because of all the NOS panels and the dent removal not much bondo had to be used. The first picture shows the drivers side quarter panel after the dent removal process!
The next two pictures show the area around the window plug after the seams were leaded and filled. The last picture is a shot of the roof! The leading edge had some small rust repair and the other small spots were either rust spots or small dents under the vinyl top?
The next segment will show the Superbird body in primer! :drool5:
MJ
IT'S TIME FOR PRIMER!!!! WOW!!
It was a GREAT feeling when all the rust repair and metal work on the body was done! This was the first big mile stone. Now it's time for primer! Another big mile stone on it's way back! This series of pictures show various areas of the Superbird body with the primer still wet!
The first picture is of the drivers side. The second picture is of the taillight panel. The last two pictures are of the passengers side.
MJ
SUPERBIRD BODY IN PRIMER PART 2!
Here are a few more shots of the Superbird body in primer! The first picture is of the quarter panel extensions now sanded down and primered. The last two pictures are of roof area! Next up will be some pictures of the body after the primer has dried! ENJOY!
MJ
NOW THE PRIMER IS DRY!
Here are some more pictures of the Superbird body afte the primer has dried! The first two pictures are of the drivers side. The last picture is of the cowl and windshield opening!
MJ
DRY PRIMER PART 2!
Here are a few more pictures of the Superbird body after the primer has dried! The first picture is of the passengers side. The second picture is of the taillight panel and the last picture is of the rear window plug area! The Superbird body was then turned on it's side to finish off the new trunk floor from the bottom side. While the bottom is being worked on the body and primer will cure. Then a block sand will take place with another primer coat and then sealer! ENJOY!
MJ
AWESOME updates John!
I just spent a few minutes catching up on the thread.
NOS SUPERBIRD NOSE!
I purchased the nose in these pictures back in 2008. It was NOS at the time and cost $7500.00! There is another post discussing a wrecked Superbird and how much they are going for today! Looks like about double what I paid 5 years ago!
I painted the nose and installed it for the Croxfords meet in Cleveland a couple of years ago. Soon after that the Superbird went to the restoration shop. The nose won't take much time or work to get it ready for paint! They are also working on the Z brackets and headlight assemblies!
MJ
John, when did they say paint will be on the car? Looking good!
Mike,
I am waiting for a call any day now to go and see the painted body! I have some parts to take down there and some to deliver that I helped purchase for a 1970 HEMI Coronet being restored at the shop! See you soon!
MJ
FINAL REPAIRS BOTTOM SIDE!
While the body is curing on the top side the Superbird body was turned on it's side for final repairs to the bottom side! The first picture shows the drivers side frame rail area. Here they make sure all the welds are ground and everything looks like it would from the factory!
The second picture shows the passengers side frame rail. Here again they did some touch up on the welds. The third picture is of the bottom side of the trunk floor where a small repair was made. The last picture shows and overall view of the bottom of the trunk floor. They will now cut off the temporary support that was welded in to hold everything in place while the new trunk floor and quarters were welded in!
MJ
:scope: nice work :yesnod: :popcrn:
Quote from: tan top on September 11, 2013, 02:44:18 PM
:scope: nice work :yesnod: :popcrn:
THANKS!
This was a huge effort! When I first bought the Superbird back in the mid 70's it came from Florida and had a rotted out trunk floor. I modified and installed a Chrysler Imperial hood upside down to replace the rotted out floor. I checked in the late 70's and no factory replacements could be ordered! Not to long ago a friend of mine decided to sell his long time in storage original rust free trunk floor! It took some extra work but the last post shows some nice shots of it now at home in our Superbird. This was one of the big reasons to get the body stripped down and repaired! I am very happy with the results of the effort to get it back to original!
MJ
MORE REPAIRS BOTTOM SIDE!
The passenger compartment floor pans were in very good shape compared to some of the other areas of the Superbird body!
The first picture is of a small rust repair already prepped. The second picture is of the drivers side with glazing putty applied.
FRAME RAIL DENTS!
I have seen many cars that have been restored and there are still frame rail dents from getting the jack and or jackstands in
the wrong spot. These dents are from when the weight of the car is on the jack and or jackstands. The last two pictures
show a couple of dents that will be removed before primer and paint!
This wraps up the pictures from my July 2013 invoice! I expect another soon and the body to be painted!
My next post will be on some more NOS and good used parts I found to enhance the restoration! In fact some are in route as
I type this.
MJ
MORE RESTORATION PARTS!
The parts I spoke of in my last reply have arrived! It was like Christmas at the mailbox on Monday! The last picture shows the two packages that arrived! Inside were two NOS backup lenses for the Superbird! A while back I had been scanning E-BAY for parts and found a single NOS backup lens under the 70 PLYMOUTH search. I bid on it and won the auction. It turns out the seller was our very own Doug Schellinger who goes by AERO426 on this forum. At that time I asked Doug if he had any more? I was hoping he would have the other side. He did some checking and said he had another of the same side. I told Doug I would buy that one also and try to trade for the other side or keep it for my GTX racecar. I then remebered another guy selling parts that had some NOS backup light and lenses for sale a while back. I found the ad and contacted Ken Steidle who is also on this site as moparply. Ken had the other NOS lens I needed and had an NOS housing for the other side that needed a lens of which I had the extra! I made Ken a trade offer which he accepted and I sent off the extra lens. The one I traded for arrived on the same day as DOUG'S!! WOW! The first picture shows the two NOS lenses, gaskets and original packages!
The second and third pictures show a very very nice used automatic console that I bought from Tony Malcein who is also restoring a Daytona and sharing his story on this forum! The second picture is of the console from the side and the third picture is a closeup of the back that is normally cracked down the middle.
MJ
Good score John! :2thumbs:
NOT EVERYTHING GOES RIGHT FOR ME EITHER!
While I'm waiting for my next batch of Superbird pictures to post I will share with you something bad that happened this summer!
Near the end of May I drove my dumptruck to work on days Friday the 24th. I also had my box trailer in tow with the racecar. My plans after work were to go to a farmer who sold culvert seconds for a trail that I was putting in around our property and then go test and tune with the racecar. All went well as I picked up the culvert and then ran some of the best times ever! Then the next day I went to unhook the trailer and take the culvert out to the ravine in the woods for installation. The dump truck was chugging along and you could hear it in the exhaust? It had plenty of power as it pulled the culvert trailer with racecar a day earlier? Linda was off so she followed me to the local Chrysler dealer. We dropped off the truck and told them to check it out when they got a chance. They asked me if I had a check engine light and I told them no! I received a call a couple of days later and they told me all it needed was an old fashioned tune up. Now days that amounts to plugs and maybe wires. I told them to go ahead and got another call the next day. They told me they found the problem with the 360 V8 gas motor. When they went to change the number 8 sparkplug the electrode was missing! They then did a compression check and there was only 30lbs in the cylinder!! I told them to pull the head and I have attached a couple of pictures of what they found. The number 8 piston was eaten up and scored the cylinder wall!@#$%^&*(! They also sent the head off an found out that it was cracked! It must have allowed antifreeze in that cylinder and destroyed it. Quickly Linda and I had to decide what to do? We were down to two choices. Put a new motor in or buy a new truck. Linda hated the dumptruck and I had most of the yard work done around the place. So we found out what all the discounts and rebates were along with my supplier discount from work. We would save over $10,000.00 dollars! We traded the dumptruck in as is and they were very fair with us as we had bought it there new in 2002. We had to do a dealer trade all the way in Erie, Pennsylvania to get the new 8 speed auto and all the towing goodies. I have attached a picture of us picking up the new truck and then one with the trailer hooked up to it. It got over 22mpg on a trip to Wisconsin and gets about 4 mpg more than the dumptruck towing with the 395HP HEMI! It is a great truck!
MJ
John how well does the new 1500 truck handle the trailer with the Road Runner loaded?
Very nice build !!
I know three late model Hemi engines that kicked rods out . My machinist who is well known says it took a few years but they have issues .
Cummins are bullet proof
Quote from: Aero426 on October 19, 2013, 08:58:04 PM
John how well does the new 1500 truck handle the trailer with the Road Runner loaded?
Doug,
Linda and I just got back from a trip to the dragstrip for a test and tune. The new truck pulls great! The dumptruck had 245HP and the new HEMI has 395HP. The torque is up by about 75 also! The factory integrated brake controller does a much better job with the trailer brakes. I had to put the stabalizer bars back on to take some of the rock and roll out. I have been passed by some semi's this morning and the new truck is much more stable than the old 98 regular cab truck. Overall a very positive upgrade!
MJ
Wow! John, Thanks for posting the detailed pics. They will be invaluable as I start (yet again) my Superbird restoration...
Greatly appreciate your time keeping us up to date with the progress.
-Virgil
Quote from: ScatPaC on November 12, 2013, 06:00:46 PM
Wow! John, Thanks for posting the detailed pics. They will be invaluable as I start (yet again) my Superbird restoration...
Greatly appreciate your time keeping us up to date with the progress.
-Virgil
Virgil,
It's comments like yours that keep me posting and sharing my journey!
The amount of work done to our Superbird due to all the rust repair is way above average! Such items as the passengers door pillar and the quarter window panel come to mind. There has also been a lot of panel replacemanet done with the door skins and quarter panels. Many people replace the trunk floors now days with all the 2 piece and 1 piece reproductions but to reuse an original out of a rust free parts car is also unusual!
Soon I hope to post more pictures that go along with the last invoice from the restoration shop!
Thanks! MJ
Been awhile John since I mentioned something...... Wow......... You are making great strides with the ole' girl........... it will be amazing to see both your Daytona and Superbird next to each other someday...... I really dig the "before and after" on the hood corners....... :2thumbs:
Quote from: hemi68charger on November 16, 2013, 10:24:27 AM
Been awhile John since I mentioned something...... Wow......... You are making great strides with the ole' girl........... it will be amazing to see both your Daytona and Superbird next to each other someday...... I really dig the "before and after" on the hood corners....... :2thumbs:
Troy,
I am really watching your HEMI transplant into your Daytona posts! I have the unrestored R4 Daytona and have been thinking about setting the engine and trans off to the side and putting one of my old race motors in it. I have a 30 over 440 with a HEMI crank and 6 pack rods along with the old 915 closed chamber heads that ran down into the low 12's as a possibility? A friend of mine is building an old 426 and hasn't decided what to put it in just yet! :scratchchin:
Quote from: Mopar John on November 16, 2013, 10:38:37 AM
Quote from: hemi68charger on November 16, 2013, 10:24:27 AM
Been awhile John since I mentioned something...... Wow......... You are making great strides with the ole' girl........... it will be amazing to see both your Daytona and Superbird next to each other someday...... I really dig the "before and after" on the hood corners....... :2thumbs:
Troy,
I am really watching your HEMI transplant into your Daytona posts! I have the unrestored R4 Daytona and have been thinking about setting the engine and trans off to the side and putting one of my old race motors in it. I have a 30 over 440 with a HEMI crank and 6 pack rods along with the old 915 closed chamber heads that ran down into the low 12's as a possibility? A friend of mine is building an old 426 and hasn't decided what to put it in just yet! :scratchchin:
John you should just do a trade with me if you do not want that R4 Daytona anymore. I will swap you an R4 500 then you could have one of each aero car.
Quote from: 69_500 on November 16, 2013, 07:26:57 PM
Quote from: Mopar John on November 16, 2013, 10:38:37 AM
Quote from: hemi68charger on November 16, 2013, 10:24:27 AM
Been awhile John since I mentioned something...... Wow......... You are making great strides with the ole' girl........... it will be amazing to see both your Daytona and Superbird next to each other someday...... I really dig the "before and after" on the hood corners....... :2thumbs:
Troy,
I am really watching your HEMI transplant into your Daytona posts! I have the unrestored R4 Daytona and have been thinking about setting the engine and trans off to the side and putting one of my old race motors in it. I have a 30 over 440 with a HEMI crank and 6 pack rods along with the old 915 closed chamber heads that ran down into the low 12's as a possibility? A friend of mine is building an old 426 and hasn't decided what to put it in just yet! :scratchchin:
John you should just do a trade with me if you do not want that R4 Daytona anymore. I will swap you an R4 500 then you could have one of each aero car.
Nice try Danny! One of these days you'll be at the right spot at the right time!
MJ
Should we hold a pool on the final invoice?
Quote from: Ghoste on November 21, 2013, 11:40:41 AM
Should we hold a pool on the final invoice?
Ghoste,
It would be interesting to see what some guys would guess on this. I have seen shop labor rates from $40.00 per hour to $75.00 per hour. But they also vary more than that when it comes to how much time they bill for doing the same items!! I am very happy with Troy Angelly Restorations and this is my second wing car being done at their shop!
MJ
A REAL INTERNATIONAL HOBBY!!
This past week I purchased a set of NOS front shock bushings with washers. The seller was in the country of Turkey! They arrived quickly an in great shape. They were in the original MOPAR packaging and well preserved! Even the plated washers were in very nice condition!
Also in the last week or so I responded to a wanted ad for a non A/C firewall cut. I responded with a photo and the buyer replied with a photo shopped picture showing me where he wanted it to be cut. To get a shipping price I measured the area and asked him to send me a ship to address. Turns out he is in the county of Belgium!! WOW!
So I contact him and asked who they use over there and he replied UPS. So I went to my UPS depot only about a mile away and got a shipping cost. Then I contacted the buyer and asked him how he was going to pay me?? I feared he was going to use Western Union or some international money order! He replied and asked if I had a PayPal account? I replied with my user name and he sent the money that day in US dollars!! WOW AGAIN! I cut the part out, packaged it in cardboard and dropped it off at my UPS depot. The buyer had it in Belgium in 5 days!!
Around the same time I responded to a want ad for a couple of heater box cable clips. To keep the cost down I mailed them first class in a small padded envelope. I dropped it off in Laporte, Indiana on November 25th and they didn't get to the buyer in California until December 5th! Twice as long as it took to ship a firewall to Belgium!!
There has been some BIG PROGRESS on the Superbird project and I hope to bring you all up to speed with pictures soon!
MJ
Quote from: Mopar John on December 13, 2013, 12:09:22 PM
There has been some BIG PROGRESS on the Superbird project and I hope to bring you all up to speed with pictures soon!
MJ
Can wait to see John!! :popcrn: :popcrn: :popcrn: :popcrn: :cheers:
Quote from: Mopar John on December 13, 2013, 12:09:22 PM
A REAL INTERNATIONAL HOBBY!!
The seller was in the country of Turkey!
I bought 4 sets of NOS disc brake pads a few years ago from a guy in Turkey John. First name started with a K is about all I remember. I have no idea where he came across them. As smooth a transaction as I have ever had. More recently I purchased a set of NOS taillights from a guy in Sydney Australia. Shipping was unbelievably quick on those. Paypal was used with both sellers. It really speeds up things compared to the old days with snail mail. Amazing sometimes where stuff ends up. :2thumbs:
BIG PROGRESS!!
Soon I will have many posts with photos to catch up on! But the big news is that the Superbird WAS painted this past Friday! I have a funny story to tell about how I found out. 426 Linda and I were attending my Christmas party from work and her cell phone went off. She was distracted by this and I told her to " PUT THAT THING AWAY!". Then she shows me pictures of the painted Superbird sent to her on facebook by the restoration shop owner! I felt bad for just a second and then grabbed THAT THING and had to show some of my work buddies! I am going to attach a picture just as a teaser. I want to get caught up and follow the progress as it happened.
MJ
AWESOME news John!!! Congrats! :boogie: :boogie: :boogie: :nixon:
Very, very nice. :2thumbs: :2thumbs: :2thumbs:
Quote from: Mopar John on December 17, 2013, 11:53:58 AM
BIG PROGRESS!!
Soon I will have many posts with photos to catch up on! But the big news is that the Superbird WAS painted this past Friday! I have a funny story to tell about how I found out. 426 Linda and I were attending my Christmas party from work and her cell phone went off. She was distracted by this and I told her to " PUT THAT THING AWAY!". Then she shows me pictures of the painted Superbird sent to her on facebook by the restoration shop owner! I felt bad for just a second and then grabbed THAT THING and had to show some of my work buddies! I am going to attach a picture just as a teaser. I want to get caught up and follow the progress as it happened.
MJ
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I will admit, when a resto reaches paint, it's a pretty awesome point in it's rebuild! That there is a pretty awesome site John.
To me, the next peak is when the motor's finished a fired up before install.
Quote from: thehemikid on December 18, 2013, 01:11:37 AM
I will admit, when a resto reaches paint, it's a pretty awesome point in it's rebuild! That there is a pretty awesome site John.
To me, the next peak is when the motor's finished a fired up before install.
I tend to agree, except for a wing-car...... I think the next benchmark of visual satisfaction will be the installation of the painted/decaled wing and nose.......... Then, that puppy WILL look like a Superbird !!!
Thanks guys for all the comments and opinions! In my own mind there are like 5 steps to complete. The first step would be to disasemble the car, bag and tag the parts and prep the body. In this case we used REDI-STRIP. The second step would be to prep the metal and do any repairs. In this case there was a HUGE amount of work with all the replacement panels. Also being a wing car added a LOT like the rear window plug being removed to get to the quarter panels! The third step would be the panel alignment and then all the priming, sanding, re-priming, sealing and finally paint. That is where we are at now. The next step will be to assemble the car. Then finally to get it running, sort it out and clean it up! Troy Angelly has stayed very close to my schedule and the Superbird should be done late spring.
I would like to point out that a ton of original detail was put into this restoration. It's odd that I used the picture that I did as the teaser. Reason being is that if you look into the drivers door opening you will see the inside firewall and Troy's duplication of the factory primer dip line. He has worked on this for several years and has it very close to the original look. You can still see it with the first coat of paint applied! A lot more to come soon!
MJ
Troy, you have a very unarguable point there!
John, ...you are a very blessed man to be able to take a car, (especially wing cars) to this level.
Quote from: hemi68charger on December 18, 2013, 08:37:18 AM
Quote from: thehemikid on December 18, 2013, 01:11:37 AM
I will admit, when a resto reaches paint, it's a pretty awesome point in it's rebuild! That there is a pretty awesome site John.
To me, the next peak is when the motor's finished a fired up before install.
I tend to agree, except for a wing-car...... I think the next benchmark of visual satisfaction will be the installation of the painted/decaled wing and nose.......... Then, that puppy WILL look like a Superbird !!!
I was just about giddy when we put the wing back on the B5 car. then the final step are the big decals!
Looking great John! Always a nice moment during a resto. :cheers:
Looks great John! I really enjoy each of your write-ups. :2thumbs:
TONY MALCEIN STRIKES AGAIN!
I have mentioned Tony before in my Daytona restoration post and now here! A while back Tony called me with some left overs from his Hemi Daytona restoration. Most of the parts would be for the Daytonas but he had an almost complete set of weatherstrips that would fit the Superbird! WOW! I thought with the NOS door skins, quarters and the polished glass these parts would be perfect! I ended up buying them and contacting a lot of guys I knew and quickly came up with one of the two missing pieces! I still need one for the passengers door outer if anyone would know where one is at give me a pm. THANKS TONY! I am also looking for a drivers side roof rail weatherstrip and maybe the proper wheel for a spare? Pm me if you have anything laying around that might enhance this restoration. Now that it's painted the clock is ticking!!!
I also would like to thank everyone on the feedback of my story! That is what keeps me going. I have attached a picture of the NOS the NOS weatherstrips.
I now have the picture cd's for the last two invoices and will be back to posting restoration pictures soon!
MJ
BOTTOM SIDE DENTS!
I have three discs with tons of pictures and I am going to try and stay in order of the work done!
This batch of pictures shows where the guys at the shop went over every inch of the car on the bottom side looking for dents, scratches and rust. The first picture shows a dent by the drivers side torsion bar mount. The second picture shows a couple of dents in the rear floor by the seat belt mount. The third picture shows the same area with the dents marked with tape. The last picture shows this area with the dents repaired and in primer!
MJ
FRAME RAIL DENTS!
To continue with the bottom side dents there were plenty found in the frame rails! Most were probably put there by ME jacking the Superbird up to work on it. They all had them in the areas that I would use to lift up the car with my floor jack. I will use the pictures for the passengers side front frame rail to give you an idea of how bad the dents were and the work needed to repair them. The first picture shows the bare frame rail with the dents. OUCH!
The second picture shows one of the dents being pulled out. The third picture shows the repaired area with some glazing putty. The last picture shows the repaired area now in primer. WOW what a differance! In my next update I will go over some bottom side prep for the final primer!
MJ
Holy-Dentman !!!!! You ARE going to the extremes on this 'birdie......... Looks great John...... :2thumbs:
MORE BOTTOM SIDE WORK!
With the bottom sanded and all the dents removed it was time to take it to the next level!
The first picture shows the bottom side of the original trunk floor that was used. This area had
some pitting and the primer had to be sanded and glazing putty applied. Then it was sanded.
The second picture shows the primer being sanded in the cross member area. The third picture
shows the primer that was applied after the glazing putty was finished being sanded. The last
picture shows this same area in what now could be the final primer?
In my next installment I will share with you all the work that was done to save the original hood!
MJ
BOTTOM SIDE HOOD REPAIRS!!
I thought after the guys straightened the corners of the hood out we were in good shape there.
We'll not exactly! The next few replies will show all the repair work done on the bottom side of the hood.
I will start out with the extension panel and the inside of the hood extension. The first picture shows this
area opened up for inspection! It really didn't look so good in there. The second picture shows a close up
of the same area. The third picture shows a close up of the area after it had been sanded. The last picture
shows an overall of the area after it was sanded! Next up will be more work in this area!
MJ
BOTTOM SIDE HOOD REPAIRS PART 2!!
Once Troy and the guys had the front part of the hood opened up they decided to take a look around at the inside.
They decided that the brace that was near the inside of the hood should come out and be cleaned up. The first two pictures shows how this brace looked when it was removed and the last picture shows the brace being welded back in!
MJ
BOTTOM SIDE HOOD REPAIRS PART 3!!
Before I continue on with the front part of the bottom side I will go over the other items that were found on the bottom side! The first picture shows some dents in the area of the hood latch. The second picture is of the same area with the dents repaired. The third picture shows a dent near the corner of the hood. The last picture is of a dent in the bottom side support channel. There was a LOT more work on that hood than I had remembered! WOW!
MJ
Quote from: Mopar John on January 07, 2014, 10:59:18 AM
BOTTOM SIDE HOOD REPAIRS PART 3!!
Before I continue on with the front part of the bottom side I will go over the other items that were found on the bottom side! The first picture shows some dents in the area of the hood latch. The second picture is of the same area with the dents repaired. The third picture shows a dent near the corner of the hood. The last picture is of a dent in the bottom side support channel. There was a LOT more work on that hood than I had remembered! WOW!
MJ
Good stuff !!! :2thumbs:
That car is going to be perfect!
BOTTOM SIDE HOOD REPAIRS PART 4!
Moving along with the bottom side of the hood were more repairs! The first picture shows where the stamped opening near the extension on the side had two cracks that needed welding. The second picture shows where the metal by the hole in the corner was torn and needed repairs also. The third picture shows the hood extension filler piece after it had been blasted. The last picture shows the underside of the filler piece after it had been treated with some primer and weldable primer along the edges! The next installment will finally wrap up the bottom side of the hood!
MJ
Quote from: 69hemidaytona on January 07, 2014, 02:54:46 PM
That car is going to be perfect!
It is turning out way better than what I had originally planned! Thanks Tony and Troy!
MJ
BOTTOM SIDE HOOD REPAIRS FINAL?
This is the last of the pictures that I have for the bottom side hood repairs. The first picture shows the underside filler panel reinstalled. The second picture shows some glazing putty in the dent repair area. The third picture shows the bottom side with all the metal work complete and ready for primer. The last picture shows the bottom side in primer and a mist of black primer over that for a final sand and primer. That is why I ended with a question mark. There may be more photos coming showing the final sand and primer? Stay tuned for more progress!
MJ
John, this is almost as good as Graveyard Carz.... :-)
Quote from: hemi68charger on January 08, 2014, 05:47:30 PM
John, this is almost as good as Graveyard Carz.... :-)
Thanks Troy! I wish I could sell this as a series!
With the bottom side of the hood in primer it was time to move on!
This series of pictures are from the trunk floor. You have to remember
that we used a rare and original trunk floor for this restoration.
So the first two pictures show the trunk floor in primer and some pitting.
The third picture shows the jack/spare hold down installed and the
last picture shows some glazing putty for the pits sanded down!
That's all the pictures I have of this area for now!
Next up will be the floor inside the body!
MJ
Troy this is WAYYYY better than Graveyardcarz.More informative without the nonsense.I enjoy the thread as well.
Quote from: jonw29 on January 10, 2014, 09:08:37 PM
Troy this is WAYYYY better than Graveyardcarz.More informative without the nonsense.I enjoy the thread as well.
I'm glad that guys are enjoying the restoration story!
MJ
INTERIOR FLOOR PANS!
With all the problems found on the Superbird body the floor pans were in very good shape!
There was one small rust spot that was shown and fixed earlier by the drivers gas pedal area.
My first picture today shows the passengers floor pan toward the rear. You can see the area
has been primered then sanded and a special light colored primer applied. The second picture
shows the drivers front floor pan close up with the glazing putty in the repaired area sanded.
The third picture shows the drivers side rear floor pan sanded close up. The last picture shows
a nice shot looking forward of the floor pans sanded and ready for another coat of primer! ENJOY!
Like some other topics this is the last of the pictures I have of this area. I'm thinking that in a
future batch we will see a bunch of final primer applied? I can't wait!
MJ
COMPLETE SET!
I was lucky and found the last NOS weatherstrip for the side glass! With the ones I got from Tony Malcein and the two I found I have a complete set just in time to install the side glass in the freshly painted body! They are on their way to the shop now! :yesnod:
MJ
HEADLIGHT DOOR ASSEMBLIES!
With the Superbird body getting to the final stages of prep it was time to move on and get the nose cone assembly ready! The first step in this process was the headlight door assemblies. The first picture in this segment is of a headlight door assembly taken apart and one of the frames in primer. The second picture is of the back side of one of the doors just after disassembly. The third picture shows the back side of both doors sanded and ready for primer. The last picture shows that even the headlight frames needed some attention. ENJOY!
MJ
HEADLIGHT DOOR ASSEMBLIES PART 2!
Moving right along with the headlight door work is this batch of pictures. The first one shows the one headlight frame and bucket end in primer. The second picture shows one of the buckets in primer. The third picture shows the parts restored and in primer ready for reassembly! The last picture shows both headlight door assemblies reassembled and ready to be installed in the headlight buckets! WOW!
MJ
HEADLIGHT DOOR ASSEMBLIES PART 3!
In my last post I stated that the door assemblies were ready for the next step. We'll not exactly!
If you look closely at the assembly in front the pivots are rusted pretty bad! Troy had told me about those and I found a pair of almost NOS ones. I had found a smashed nose cone and replaced one side years ago. But the other side was the originals from when the Superbird was in Florida and rusted the pivots. This series of pictures shows those rusty pivots being replaced. The first and third pictures show the old rusty pivots. The second and forth pictures show the like new original pivots ready to be installed! I am glad we could correct this before the doors were installed in the nose!
MJ
BOTTOM SIDE WORK FINAL!
A while back I posted about the bottom side work. At that time I didn't have the final pictures for that area.
Now I do and will finish the segment! The first and second pictures show the bottom side with the final regular primer sanded and ready for the epoxy primer. The third and fourth pictures show the bottom side now finished off in the epoxy primer! We are not going to over restore the Superbird and paint the bottom body color so this is how it will look between the rockers when it's done!
MJ
BOTTOM SIDE DETAILS!
I just spoke about leaving the bottom in the epoxy primer in the last post. Now I have attached a close up of the bottom showing the drips and runs in the primer as the body would have had being dipped in the primer tank on the assembly line! You can look back on the other two epoxy primer pictures and see more. ENJOY!
MJ
DOOR OPENINGS IN PRIMER!
With the bottom of the Superbird body ready it was time to put it right side up and move on!
This series of pictures are of the door openings. If you remember there was a lot of work done
on the pillars and where the seams were down on the bottom by the ends of the sills.
The first and second pictures show the door openings ready for primer. You will notice the
seam sealer has already been applied also. The third and fourth pictures show the same areas taped off and now in primer! I am really excited at this point
with the metal repairs done and seeing the primer being applied! GREAT!
Next up will be the wing washers that go under the quarter panels!
MJ
Looking AWESOME John, The bottom (including the drips) are beautiful!
:drool5:
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:popcrn: :drool5: :2thumbs:
Quote from: 70Sbird on January 29, 2014, 11:18:35 AM
Looking AWESOME John, The bottom (including the drips) are beautiful!
:drool5:
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Quote from: billssuperbird on January 29, 2014, 11:52:32 AM
:popcrn: :drool5: :2thumbs:
Thanks for the great comments here and elsewhere!
MJ
WING WASHERS!
Many of you should have seen my want ads for an original Superbird passengers side wing washer. I even teamed up with Rick from Australia who needed one for the drivers side. The shop worked around this area and gave me some extra time to find one but I didn't! So we made the decision to save what we could of the original and use the original drivers side as a pattern. This batch of pictures shows the wing washer before restoration. The first picture shows how rusty it was and where I had cut it years ago when I removed the rusty trunk gutter! The second picture shows a close up of the rusted rear corner. The third picture shows how I had cut it along the side. The last picture shows some rust up front on the washer also. So for the last 30 years or so the washer was just sandwiched in between the braces and the quarter panel!!!!!!!!!
MJ
WING WASHERS PART 2!
I couldn't leave you with those rusty images for long so here's the start of the repairs to the passengers side wing washer. The first picture is of the new piece basically bent into shape on the brake. The second picture shows the new piece just getting started. The third picture shows the end from the outside. The last picture shows the end welded from the inside. TO BE CONTINUED!
MJ
WING WASHERS PART 3!
In this batch of pictures the fabrication gets serious! Keep in mind that the wing washer is a 3D piece! It curves side to side and also front to back to mate with the quarter panel. The first picture shows the front tacked in place. The second picture shows the rear tacked in place. The third picture shows and updated overall shot. The last picture shows the front to back contour being worked into place.
MJ
WING WASHERS PART 4!
In this batch of pictures you'll see some of the final fabrication on the passengers side wing washer!
The first picture is of the rear now with the welding completed and ground. The second picture shows one of the angle shaped supports fabricated and welded in! The third picture shows another overall shot of the top side. The last picture is an overall ofthe bottom side.
MJ
WING WASHER FINAL!
Here we go with the last batch of pictures for the wing washers! The first picture shows the quarter panel with all the holes laid out for the wing upright. The second picture shows wing washer mounting area ground and ready for spot welding. The third picture shows the wing washer fabrication done and in primer ready to be installed! The last picture shows the wing washer installed and the uprights in place! WOW! Another major step forward.
Next up will be the top side of the hood!
MJ
Lookin' Good John !!! :2thumbs:
Quote from: hemi68charger on February 06, 2014, 01:54:16 PM
Lookin' Good John !!! :2thumbs:
Thanks Troy!
I got ahead of myself on the wing washers! The pictures that I had in my final installment were the final pictures but I had skipped a few. So I will add them now! The first picture shows the passengers side wing washer fully fabricated and in primer with glazing putty applied. Note that it now has the 3 traingle shaped support ribs. The second picture shows the wing washer sanded and ready for the final primer. The last picture shows the wing washer in final primer hanging on the paint rack!
Soon I will post about the hood!
MJ
Lookin' Good John !!! Part II :2thumbs: !!!
HOOD TOP SIDE REPAIRS!
After seeing how much work was done on the bottom side the top side of the hood was rather simple!
The first picture shows a dent that was right on the center body line that bugged me for years! The second picture shows the dent repaired and the hood now in glazing putty. The third and fourth pictures show the hood in primer!
That's it for the hood! In my next installment I will show how the donor 1970 Coronet headlight buckets were added to the NOS Superbird fender skins! ENJOY!
MJ
ORIGINAL HEADLIGHT BUCKETS BEING ADDED TO THE NOS FENDER SKINS!!
I have to get moving along on posting pictures as I am way behind and have another batch on the way!
This segment shows how headlight buckets were removed from donor fenders and added to the NOS fender skins!
The first picture shows the donor drivers side bucket. The second picture shows the removal of the spot welds for that bucket. The third picture shows the bucket removed from the donor fender and ready for a bead blast. The last picture shows the drivers fender skin that it will be added to.
MJ
HEAD LIGHT BUCKETS PART 2!
In this batch of pictures we continue with the headlight buckets. The first picture shows the passengers side bead blasted. The second picture shows the fender skins primered in the area where the buckets will be added. The third picture shows the passsengers side bucket now in primer! The last picture shows the drivers side bucket now being welded to the fender skin! ENJOY!
Soon I will be back with the fenders and hood on the body and the alignment of all the gaps!
MJ
:coolgleamA: great stuff :2thumbs:
Thanks tan top! Today we continue with the front fenders! The first picture shows the drivers fender on the body looking from the engine compartment. The second picture is of the drivers fender on the body from the out side. The third picture shows the drivers fender from the front. The last picture in this batch shows the drivers fender hood bumper support panel now welded in place!
MJ
SUPERBIRD FRONT END ASSEMBLY!!
The first picture in this batch shows the passengers fender and hood now on the body! The second picture shows the drivers hood bumper panel with the welds ground and the new spot welds in place! The third picture is of the same work done to the passengers hood bumper panel. The last picture shows the front end all installed on the body! This was a definate WOW moment for me! Next up will be all the work to get the gaps even!
MJ
SUPERBIRD BODY DOOR TO FENDER GAPS!
With the front end sheet metal now mounted on the body it was time to work on the gaps. First up was the gaps between the doors and fenders. The first picture shows a passengers side overall. The second picture shows the passengers side top portion with note. The third picture is another passengers gap overall. The last picture in this batch shows the passengers lower portion and note.
MJ
DOOR TO FENDER GAPS PART 2!
In this batch of pictures we continue on with the door to fender gaps! The first picture is now around to the drivers side and shows an overall view of the gap. The second picture shows the drivers door removed from the body and bead blasted on the lower portion? The third picture shows it welded along the edge to correct the gap once installed! The last picture shows the edge welding ground and the door back on the body! The gap looks much better now! ENJOY!
MJ
Quote from: Mopar John on February 10, 2014, 09:54:34 AM
The gap looks much better than new! ENJOY!
MJ
There, fixed it for ya!
:2thumbs: :cheers:
That's some good quality work. :2thumbs:
Quote from: hemigeno on February 10, 2014, 10:26:43 AM
Quote from: Mopar John on February 10, 2014, 09:54:34 AM
The gap looks much better than new! ENJOY!
MJ
There, fixed it for ya!
:2thumbs: :cheers:
HI GENE!
Thanks for checking in on the Superbird and great comment!
Did I ever tell you how much easier it is to restore a Superbird?
Just take the rear of the car - Stock trunk lid, no chrome opening or trim, no chrome trim around the tail lights, And best of all no organisol tail light panel!
MJ
Quote from: Mytur Binsdirti on February 10, 2014, 10:41:19 AM
That's some good quality work. :2thumbs:
Thanks Mytur! I will be back shortly with more!
MJ
FINAL PREP WORK SUPERBIRD FRONT FENDERS!
With the gaps all done it was time to move on and get the fenders ready. The first picture show the passengers side fender in glazing putty and now with the valance corner installed! The second picture shows a bare drivers side fender also with the valance corner installed. The third picture shows the passengers fender primed, sanded and ready for final primer. The last picture shows the same of the drivers side fender.
MJ
FENDER PREP WORK PART 2!
The work continues to get the front fenders in final primer! The first picture shows the drivers fender now in final primer. The second picture shows the passengers door to fender gap now in final primer. The third picture shows the passengers front corner all in final primer. The last picture shows the drivers front corner also all in final primer.
This was a great moment for me knowing all the work was complete and the body in primer!
In my next segment we will move on to the nose cone! STAY TUNED!
MJ
Man John, She looks great !!!! That fender work is awesome... :2thumbs:
SUPERBIRD NOSE CONE!
With the body ready it was now time to install the nose and line everthing up. In preperation for this you will see the Z brackets being installed in the first two pictures. The third picture shows the top inner piece I had fabricated for the NOS nose cone to go to the Cleveland meet. The last picture shows the nose on the body with the latch tray in place. You will also see that the top inner piece is now in place and welded to the nose cone!
Next up will be nose to fender, hood and valance corner alignments!
MJ
NOSE - FENDER - VALANCE ALIGNMENTS!
With the Z brackets installed it was time to mount the nose cone and see how things lined up. The first picture is the top of the nose and the front of the hood. The second picture is of the drivers side gap between the fender and nose. The last picture is of the same view from the passengers side. The nose is back on!
MJ
PASSENGERS SIDE VALANCE CORNER!
After moving the nose around and making some adjustments it was decided that the passengers valance corner needed to be modified to line up better. The first picture shows the valance corner cut. The second picture shows it welded. The third picture shows it back on the body. The last picture shows the welding now ground.
MJ
DRIVERS SIDE VALANCE CORNER!
The first picture shows the drivers side valance corner mods. The second picture shows it welded. The third picture is of the nose in glazing putty. The last picture shows the nose with the glazing putty sanded!
MJ
HEAD LIGHT DOOR AND VALANCE CORNER FINISHING!
The first picture shows the passengers head light door installed in the nose with primer and glazing putty. The second picture shows the passengers valance corner in primer and glazing putty also. The third and fourth pictures show the same views of the drivers side head light door and valance corner!
MJ
THE NOSE ASSEMBLY IS IN PRIMER!
With all the work done and the glazing putty sanded it was time to put the nose assembly in primer!
The first picture is a front view. The second picture is of the passengers side and the last picture is of the drivers side. WOW!
These are the final pictures of the disc! I have another disc to start on and just received another yesterday! So I'm still way behind! STAY TUNED!
MJ
HELP NEEDED!
Yesterday I took a trip to see my transmission builder and racing partner Keith Long the 727 SPECIALIST. He had a stack of 727 transmission pans he sorted through for me. I was there to find a mint one for the Superbird project. He ended up giving me the best 3 to clean up and eventually have the best one on the Superbird. The project is rolling at great speed now and my want list is small. There are a few items that I still need and have posted them in the parts wanted section. So take a look when you get a chance and see if you or someone you know can help with any of these final parts?
Thanks! MJ
That's some very nice work you've done! This car is going to be quite the Superb-bird. :2thumbs:
I will take a look thought your wanted lists and see what I can see.
Hey John,
That all looks familiar! I was working in different areas to get my alignment worked out.(Technically it wasn't me but I was doing the approvals to keep working on the lines and gaps)
Did you get that hood to nose center line to look a little better? I was surprised to see that mine didn't line up either but just chalked it up to the shop not getting the nose on properly until I started looking around and there was no way to get that lined up without sacrifices elsewhere. Someday I'll get the picture CD off the shop and get my pics loaded up.
Quote from: tsmithae on February 16, 2014, 12:37:34 PM
That's some very nice work you've done! This car is going to be quite the Superb-bird. :2thumbs:
I will take a look thought your wanted lists and see what I can see.
I like the Superb-bird name!
Please do take a look at the want list and see if anyone you know might have something?
Thanks! MJ
Quote from: FJ5WING on February 16, 2014, 03:53:47 PM
Hey John,
That all looks familiar! I was working in different areas to get my alignment worked out.(Technically it wasn't me but I was doing the approvals to keep working on the lines and gaps)
Did you get that hood to nose center line to look a little better? I was surprised to see that mine didn't line up either but just chalked it up to the shop not getting the nose on properly until I started looking around and there was no way to get that lined up without sacrifices elsewhere. Someday I'll get the picture CD off the shop and get my pics loaded up.
FJ5WING,
Thanks for the comments and observations!
Yes, They were able to move things around and get most everything better!
Please share your pictures when you get time!
MJ
HOLES?
Troy likes to leave the body sit and cure for a month or so to let everything settle in. During that time other work is done to keep the restoration moving along. This batch of pictures show the work that was done to get the holes drilled for the Superbird vinyl top trim and the quarter panel scoops. The first picture is of the passengers side vinyl top trim measurements. The second picture shows the drivers side with the holes already drilled! The third picture if of the passengers side quarter scoop layout. The last picture is of the drivers side quarter scoop layout.
MJ
BLOCK SANDING THE SUPERBIRD BODY!
It's been a while since I posted some pictures. Mainly due to working my favorite shift 12 hour midnights! It's a chore just to survive them!
In this segment I will share pictures of the block sanding of the Superbird body. The body has sat for a while and other work was done. Now it's time to block sand and reprimer! The first pictureis of the tail panel block sanded. The second picture is of the passengers side block sanded. The last two pictures are of the drivers side block sanded!
MJ
ANOTHER COAT OF PRIMER!
In this batch of pictures I will share the results of the block sanding and another coat of primer. Troy and the guys spend a lot of time to get the body razor straight! This shows up when cars are on display in shows like the MCACN show under the lights!
The first picture shows the tail panel with another coat of primer. The second and third pictures are of the passengers side back in primer. The last picture is of the drivers side with the block sand and another coat of primer!
MJ
:2thumbs:
Happy, Happy, Happy..............
THE SUPERBIRD HOOD AND TRUNKLID GET BLOCK SANDED AND ANOTHER COAT OF PRIMER!
With the main body in primer it was time to block sand the hood and trunklid!
The first picture shows the top of the hood block sanded. The second picture shows the trunklid block sanded. The last two pictures show these same parts again with a fresh coat of primer!
MJ
THE SUPERBIRD NOSE ASSEMBLY GETS BLOCK SANDED AND ANOTHER COAT OF PRIMER!
In this group of pictures I will share the same work being done on the nose assembly! The first two pictures show the top and bottom of the nose block sanded. The last two pictures show the same areas now in a fresh coat of primer. The project is now picking up some speed and heading towards paint! YES!! I'm HAPPY!
MJ
John,
Looks Fantastic!!!
:drool5: :drool5: :drool5: :drool5: :drool5: :drool5:
And no more dent in the center of the hood for you to look at anymore!
You think with all of that work they would have fixed those holes in the tops of your quarter panels! :icon_smile_big: :icon_smile_big: :icon_smile_big: :smilielol: :smilielol:
That thing is lookin' sweet, and we KNOW it will turn out great! :2thumbs: :cheers:
Quote from: 70Sbird on February 26, 2014, 01:53:45 PM
John,
Looks Fantastic!!!
:drool5: :drool5: :drool5: :drool5: :drool5: :drool5:
And no more dent in the center of the hood for you to look at anymore!
Scott,
The dent didn't even appear in the block sand! Soon it will be time to worry about installing any NEW dents!
MJ
Quote from: Dave Kanofsky on February 26, 2014, 03:10:19 PM
You think with all of that work they would have fixed those holes in the tops of your quarter panels! :icon_smile_big: :icon_smile_big: :icon_smile_big: :smilielol: :smilielol:
That thing is lookin' sweet, and we KNOW it will turn out great! :2thumbs: :cheers:
Dave,
The holes in the top of the quarters look really bad until the wing is in place!
Thanks! MJ
MORE SANDING!
With the body done it was time to work on some of the smaller details. The first two pictures show the quarter panel extensions getting the second sanding and primer coat. The last two pictures show the fender scoops being sanded also!
MJ
TIGER STRIPES?
I didn't know what to call the light stripes of black primer so I call them tiger stripes. These stripes are installed as a final preperation for the wet sanding of the body! This batch of pictures show what the Superbird body looked like after the tiger stripes were sprayed on the body! Next up will be wet sanding!
MJ
tiger stripes=guide coat
:2thumbs: :2thumbs:
MORE GUIDE COAT PICTURES!
Thanks to pettybird to correct me on the term for the black primer stripes! The official term for them is guide coat. Many of you might have already known that?
Here are a few more pictures of the hood and trunklid in GUIDE COAT!
MJ
THE WET SANDING BEGINS!
The next step in the restoration was to start the wet sanding of all the body parts for a super smooth finish!
This batch of pictures show the start of that work! The first picture is of the passengers side. The second picture is of the drivers side. The last two pictures are of the door openings! ENJOY!
MJ
:scope: looking good :drool5: :2thumbs: :drool5:
ANOTHER GOOD GUY ALERT!
A while ago I posted on here about a few parts that I needed to complete the project listed in the parts wanted section. I have had a few responses but none like the one I'm going to tell you about!
I get a call just over a week ago from a friend of mine who's a wing car enthusiast and regular at our meets. We have talked about the wing cars a few times also. This guy tells me that he bought a car a while ago and that in the trunk was a box of parts including a pair of NOS motor mount isolators that were never installed on the car!
He told me that he had installed these isolators on an engine that he was getting ready to install in one of his projects! Then he tells me that they belonged on a car that was going through a high level of restoration such as my Superbird! He then goes on to tell me that if they were what I was looking for he would remove them from his engine and sell them to me for the Superbird! WOW! Then he would find some other for his project! It turns out that they were what I was looking for and I got them yesterday!
Many of you know him Stan McGuire who travels the country in his pristine 1969 red Road Runner convertible. Then he sticks a pin in the United States map of all the places he has been to!
Thanks Stan for joining in this project! John
FRONT FENDER INSIDE PREP!
With the Superbird body wet sanded and ready for paint it was time to remove the front fenders and get them ready on the inside. The first two pictures show the fenders off the body and masked off ready for primer. The last two pictures show the fenders now in primer and ready to go back on the body!
FRONT FENDER HARDWARE PREP!
With the front fenders ready it was time to get all the original mounting hardware cleaned up and ready!
The first two pictures are of the front fender hardware bead blasted and ready for primer. The last two pictures show the hardware now in primer! Next up will be the fenders back on and a look at the Superbird body!
MJ
Nice, Nice,,,,,,,,,,,, Nice,Nice................................... Oh, and Nice !!!! :2thumbs:
MORE PROGRESS!
The first picture in this batch shows all the hardware now in primer!
The second picture shows the passengers side fender prepped and back on the body with the restored original fastners! The third picture shows the drivers side fender and hood back on! The last picture shows the Superbird body wet sanded and reassembled. What will the next step be? You will never guess as I have never seen this before! STAY TUNED!
MJ
Getting closer! :2thumbs:
TRUNK FLOOR STRENGTHING RIB DRIED PRIMER?
When the bodies were dipped at the factory there was extra primer left in the trunk floor strengthing ribs. It was left there and dried in a funny looking pattern. Rather than just clean out the ribs and primer than paint Troy has developed a method to duplicate this factory look. This batch of pictures will show that and more!
The first picture is of the passengers sidetrunk floor extension with the red goo in place. You will also see that the wing brace tab and jack hold down stud are in place. The second picture is of the trunk floor and the third is a closeup of the same area. The last picture is of the drivers side trunk floor extension showing the red goo and you will notice the seam sealer is also applied! I am sure many of you have not seen something like this before!
I am not done with the pre paint details! Back with more soon!
MJ
DOES IT LOOK LIKE BARE STEEL?
Over the years Troy Angelly has been looking at cars that were restored at various shops and have rusted in places that were not protected over time! He has worked on this problem and developed a painting procedure that helps in this area. This batch of pictures will show what he did to the Superbird body prior to final paint.
The first picture shows the trunk opening masked and papered for this paint. The second picture shows the inside of the taillight panel painted with the special paint. The third picture shows the bottom of the speaker shelf painted. The last picture in this batch shows the drivers wheel tub and trunklid hinge support painted. NEAT!
MJ
INSIDE FIREWALL PRIMER TANK LINE!
When the bodies were dipped in the primer vat at the factory it only went about two thirds of the way up the firewall. In this batch of pictures I will show you how Troy and the guys duplicated this detail!
The first picture shows the top of the firewall masked off and ready for paint. The last two pictures show the firewall painted with the primer line now visable!
This concludes the preparation of the Superbird body for paint! The next batch of pictures will show the body and parts ready for paint! WOW!
MJ
READY FOR PAINT!!
Well the day has finally come were the Superbird body is ready for paint! This batch of pictures will show all of the parts cleaned up and ready in the huge spray booth that Troy has at his shop! The first picture is of the trunklid. The second picture is of the passngers door hung and ready! The third picture is of the hood. The last picture in this batch is of the passengers side. Note how they paper and tape the jack stands.
MJ
Nice progress.I can see the color coming.THAT PAINT BOOTH IS HUGE!!!!!!!!!!!!!
READY FOR PAINT PART 2!
I will continue with the ready for paint pictures! The first picture is of the drivers door hung and ready. The second picture is of the rear of the body. You can see the red goo is still visable. The third picture is of the drivers side of the body. The last picture before paint is another of the rear with the trunk floor now in primer over the red goo in the support channels. When I return I will have pictures of the freshly painted Superbird body! Enjoy!
MJ
Quote from: jonw29 on March 09, 2014, 01:06:46 PM
Nice progress.I can see the color coming.THAT PAINT BOOTH IS HUGE!!!!!!!!!!!!!
THANKS! HUGE STEP FORWARD NEXT UPDATE!
Looking great John !!!! :2thumbs:
THE DAY FOR THE EK2 SINGLE STAGE PAINT HAS ARRIVED!
After so much time and work the day finally came to paint the Superbird body! The first picture is the one I posted a while back as a teaser. The second picture is of the drivers side wing washer wheel tub area. The third picture is over on the passengers side. The last picture is of the inside firewall.
MJ
EK2 PAINT PART 2!
Here are some more pictures of the fresh paint. I am sorry for the color quality in this batch. The camera must have been in the paint booth too long? As we move forward you will see the TRUE COLOR! The first picture is of the freshly painted hood ( no more dent! ). The second picture is of the passengers side door. The third picture is of the trunklid and the last picture is of the rear of the body. WOW!
MJ
That has to make you feel real good. :2thumbs:
Quote from: Aero426 on March 14, 2014, 08:56:44 AM
That has to make you feel real good. :2thumbs:
YES! Doug.
Phase one was the disassembly and body dip.
Phase two was all the metal work.
Phase three was all the body work, gaps and paint.
The paint is always the biggest one!
MJ
Stellar! :2thumbs:
Awesome looking John!
:yesnod: :2thumbs:
Incredible restoration. This car will be better than new when finished. I cannot imagine the 1000's of man hours going into this car. Very impressed.
...feeling good,
...Stellar,
...Awesome,
... :2thumbs:,
...Incredible,
...better than new,...impressive,
... INDEED!...and looks like it will be, all the way to turn key. Looking good, :coolgleamA: :2thumbs:
EK2 PAINT PART 3!
Thanks for all the GREAT comments guys! It has taken a lot of hard work to get to this point. I have spoke with others who have gone on this journey and I am pleased with the amount of hours that I have been charged for to bring this Superbird back from the years of abuse and the amatuer restoration done by myself. I highly reccomend Troy Angelly Restorations! Most of you know this is my second car done at his shop. I hear a lot of horror stories out there! BE CAREFULL!
Today I will share with you some pictures of the paint going on the outside of the body!
My first picture is Troy just getting started! He does all the painting himself! The second picture shows some EK2 orange on the roof. The third picture is of the drivers quarter down low. The last picture is of the drivers side from the front after some paint has been applied!
MJ
EK2 PAINT PART 4!!
In this batch of pictures I will continue on with the outer bady paint! The first picture is of the drivers side from the rear. The second picture is of the front of the body. The last two pictures are of the passegers side. ENJOY!
MJ
If the guy who squirted my Green saw that booth he'd feel like he was in heaven.
That thing is the size of a small country.
DOOR BLACK OUT FOR BLACK INTERIOR!
Before the doors could be bolted back up to the body it was time to black out for the black interior!
The first two pictures show the drivers door masked off for this. The last two pictures show the black paint applied!
MJ
TIME TO ASSEMBLE AND POLISH THE PAINT!
This batch of pictures will show the doors and trunklid installed and some of the polishing work!
The first picture is of the trunklid and passenger door now on. The second picture shows the drivers door on and some polishing work. The third picture shows the rear of the Superbird. The last picture is of the polish work on the hood.
In my next batch of pictures I will show all the parts 426 Linda and I took down to the shop on our visit January 2nd of this year! STAY TUNED!
MJ
SCHWING !!!!
Congrats John! :2thumbs: Looking good....
our cars won't recognize each other lol
Thanks guys!
Doug,
Lets park them next to each other again at Talladega!
I sure wish your dad was around to see all this!!
MJ
Quote from: Mopar John on March 17, 2014, 12:51:15 PM
I sure wish your dad was around to see all this!!
MJ
You and me both. Can you believe it's been 25 years?
Looks great John! Bet you can't wait till summer!
Quote from: pettybird on March 17, 2014, 04:57:35 PM
Quote from: Mopar John on March 17, 2014, 12:51:15 PM
I sure wish your dad was around to see all this!!
MJ
You and me both. Can you believe it's been 25 years?
Doug,
I can not believe it's been that long!
But as we age he is forever young!
MJ
Quote from: Hoser2455 on March 20, 2014, 06:15:30 AM
Looks great John! Bet you can't wait till summer!
I can't wait for summer but I'm going to get a dose of Superbird next Wednesday when I go for another visit to the shop!
MJ
Quote from: Mopar John on March 20, 2014, 01:10:37 PM
Quote from: Hoser2455 on March 20, 2014, 06:15:30 AM
Looks great John! Bet you can't wait till summer!
I can't wait for summer but I'm going to get a dose of Superbird next Wednesday when I go for another visit to the shop!
MJ
Just don't forget your camera....those of us that are living vicariously through your posts want updates!
:popcrn:
PREPARING FOR THE JANUARY 2ND VISIT!
It was about the time of the visit that I bought the NOS cat whiskers from Tony Malcien and decided to upgrade the Superbird restoration! The body was turning out great, the chrome was being replated and all the original glass had been polished to perfection. I was also buying anything that was NOS for the outside of the car. This batch of pictures shows the parts that I loaded up for the visit. The first picture is of the NOS front sidemarkers and rear backup lenses. The second picture is of the NOS driveshaft, emergency brake cables, trans dust cover and trans mount. The third picture is of the cat whiskers, dash pad and restored dash speaker. The last picture is of the NOS front suspension parts. Many of these were put away for the R4 Daytona restoration!
MJ
VISIT PART 2!
The first picture is of the NOS parts we took down for the engine. Included is an early six pack oval air filter, gaskets, plugs and an original date coded fuel pump!
Also included in the picture is the original power steering fan belt and PCV hose that I saved when I put new ones on! I wish the alternator belt would have been good also!!
The second picture is of a batch of parts that a good friend came up with for me. Included are Nos battery cables, wiper blades, tie rod ends, exhaust hangers and more!
My next reply will be the pictures I took during the visit!
MJ
:drool5:
No wonder I cant find anymore NOS parts! :P
Hey John, hows your trunk mat?
Quote from: FJ5WING on March 21, 2014, 12:32:37 PM
:drool5:
No wonder I cant find anymore NOS parts! :P
Hey John, hows your trunk mat?
I am using quite a few nice parts in the Superbird restoration! There are still some NOS parts out there but the prices are going up way faster than the cars are! I just saw an NOS quarter panel for $3500.00!
When I bought the Superbird in the mid seveties it had a shag carpet in the trunk! Around 1980 I bought a new trunk mat from Chrysler and used it all these years. But due to lawn chairs, tables, coolers and a tool box it has seen it's days. I saw one for sale on EBAY a year or so ago and that was before I decided to ramp up the quality of the restoration. So for right now all I have is an REM reproduction that I bought about 10 years ago.
Thanks! MJ
PICTURES OF THE SUPERBIRD FROM THE JANUARY 2ND VISIT!
426 Linda and I headed down to Eldorado, Illinois bright and early on January 2ND to visit the Superbird and deliver parts. This was all planned out to see the freshly painted body! We were in for a bit of a surprise when we arrived!
Troy and the guys had got some reassembly done by the time we arrived! The first picture is of the back of the Superbird. You will notice the trunklid is painted on both sides and installed. The second picture is of the front of the Superbird and you will notice the hood painted on both sides. It is installed along with the painted hood hinges.
The third picture shows the passengers side with the door now installed. The last pciture is of the drivers side with the door installed. The whole body had been polished and cleaned up also! WOW! What a sight for us!
MJ
Absolutely beautiful!!! :2thumbs: :2thumbs: :2thumbs:
:cheers: Drop dead GORGEOUS! :cheers: :2thumbs: :2thumbs:
THE DAY BEFORE THE BIG VISIT!
When I decided to ramp up the quality of the restoration on the Superbird many wheels started turning in my head!
One of my first thoughts was how many nice original parts were in my basement from the 1970 GTX race car? I have decided it will always be a racecar durning my ownership! Some of the parts like the seats were removed when the GTX had 8,000 miles on it back in 1972!! My first picture is the pile of parts I have removed from the GTX and bought from swap meets for it. The second picture is of the original seats after 42 years of storage! The third picture is of some of the original door panels. The last picture is down at Troy's shop last Wednesday with all the seats laid out. There are two original back seats and the original buckets from the GTX. There is also the buckets from the Superbird which I put Legendary covers on a few years back. You don't realize how differant reproductions are till you have originals next to them! There will be original seats and door panels on the Superbird! WOW!
That's awesome John !!!! So, cater to my ignorance, the GTX's seat pattern is the same as the Superbird, which is still the same as a Road Runner in '70?
Quote from: hemi68charger on April 01, 2014, 07:03:40 AM
That's awesome John !!!! So, cater to my ignorance, the GTX's seat pattern is the same as the Superbird, which is still the same as a Road Runner in '70?
yep
there were two different bench seat patterns (cheap and dee-lux) but only one for buckets.
the door panels are the same too, but the GTX's have that slab 'o woodgrain on the metal door upper
Quote from: Mopar John on March 31, 2014, 08:48:57 PM
THE DAY BEFORE THE BIG VISIT!
One of my first thoughts was how many nice original parts were in my basement from the 1970 GTX race car? I have decided it will always be a racecar durning my ownership! Some of the parts like the seats were removed when the GTX had 8,000 miles on it back in 1972!!
How many times have you moved those parts over the years? A lot of them would normally be gone as soon as they were pulled off the car 40 years ago.
Quote from: pettybird on April 01, 2014, 09:51:55 AM
Quote from: hemi68charger on April 01, 2014, 07:03:40 AM
That's awesome John !!!! So, cater to my ignorance, the GTX's seat pattern is the same as the Superbird, which is still the same as a Road Runner in '70?
yep
there were two different bench seat patterns (cheap and dee-lux) but only one for buckets.
the door panels are the same too, but the GTX's have that slab 'o woodgrain on the metal door upper
Thanks Doug ! :2thumbs:
Quote from: Aero426 on April 01, 2014, 10:02:34 AM
Quote from: Mopar John on March 31, 2014, 08:48:57 PM
THE DAY BEFORE THE BIG VISIT!
One of my first thoughts was how many nice original parts were in my basement from the 1970 GTX race car? I have decided it will always be a racecar durning my ownership! Some of the parts like the seats were removed when the GTX had 8,000 miles on it back in 1972!!
How many times have you moved those parts over the years? A lot of them would normally be gone as soon as they were pulled off the car 40 years ago.
Doug,
The parts removed early on like the seats have been moved 3 times and have always been inside. I still remember way back in 1972 I bought a 4 point bolt in rollbar out of a local trader paper called " THE BARGAIN FINDER ". I removed the seats and put in the rollbar and a fiberglass bucket seat that's still in the GTX. I went back to US 30 in Gary Indiana and failed the tech inspection !@#$%^&*(! The tech guy told me that once you had a rollbar installed you must have a race approved helmet so you don't hit your head on the rollbar !#$%^&()! THANKS A LOT!
MJ
MARCH 26TH VISIT!
The visit went very well looking over the Superbird and all the components! We looked over each item that was questionable and tried to make decisions. My want list was down to 3 items and grew back up to about 20!
Some items I had put away and others I knew where to get. Tonight I'm back down to about 10 items on my want list. Most can be added at any time. I am only going to share 2 pictures from the visit because I'm back to being 2 discs behind again because of a junk computor. One picture shows a long table full of NOS, restored and good used parts ready for action. The other table has almost all of the front suspension parts at the ready! ENJOY!
MJ
I'll take that,,,,, that,,,,,,,,,,, that over there............ Oh wait,,,,,,,, that too......... :icon_smile_big:
MORE PROGRESS!
I know some of things I'm going to post now won't have the impact that the paint did but it all has to be done!
I will try and post more of these pictures and get to some good stuff as quick as possible!
The first picture in this batch shows the original 440 six pack engine. It was rebuilt by the shop that does my race engines back in 2004 for that years Talladega meet! It has about 800 miles since the long block rebuild. The paint on it was from Totally Auto. The second picture shows the engine with the transmission and front suspension that was taken out the bottom as one unit! The third picture shows the front suspension after the engine and trans were pulled. I had a local guy powder coat this back in 2004 also. I don't like the way it started peeling and will go back to original style paint with the restoration. The last picture shows the engine stripped down ready for the old paint to be removed! STAY TUNED FOR MORE!
MJ
SUSPENSION CLEAN UP!
This batch of pictures show's the front suspension parts being cleaned up! The first picture is of one of the upper control arms. It's in very nice condition with no DEEP pitting. The second picture is of the tie rod center section, the idler arm and the pitman arm being cleaned up. These look very good as well. The third picture is of the Idler arm and pitman arm ready for a light bead blast. The last picture is of the tie rod center link bead blasted and cleaned up! MORE SOON!
MJ
LOWER CONTROL ARMS!
I was relieved to know that we were going to be able to use most of the original suspension including the lower control arms. This batch of pictures shows what they looked like and some of the work that had to be done. The first picture is a side view of the lower control arms alreay cleaned up. The second picture shows the damage to the bottom of one of the arms. Most of this was from me pushing my jack under there to lift one side or the other!
The third picture shows the work that was done to clean up the bottom on one side. The last picture is the same work on the other side! YES!
MJ
TIE ROD END ASSEMBLIES!
Next up was to clean the tie rod end assemblies. This was made up of a left and right tie rod end and the tube that they screw into. The first picture shows the assembly as removed from the Superbird. The second picture is of one end cleaned up. Notice the small head on the grease zurk! The third picture shows the parts bead blasted and cleaned up. The last picture shows where Troy and the guys duplicate the factory black coating on the suspension parts! Can't wait till it's assembled!
MJ
DISC BRAKE CALIPERS!
Years ago I had a caliper that was dragging and ate one of the rotors !@#$%^&*()! So I had them rebuilt and painted them. This help preserve them and we will be able to use them in the restoration! The first picture shows one of the calipers and if you look down at the bottom they are date coded! This one is dated 294 9 which is right before the Superbird was built! The second picture shows the correct small headed caliper pins and the positioners. Speaking of positioners I am still looking for one NOS or good used left side positioner. The third picture shows the caliper bottom side and the disc brake pads. The pads are in great shape and wearing evenly! The last picture is of the caliper disassembled and ready for a light bead blast! MORE SOON!
MJ
POWER STEERING PUMP!
With the suspension parts cleaned up and ready to go it was time to restore the power steering pump.
You would think that there wouldn't be much work there but it was! The first picture shows the pump assembly as removed from the engine. The second picture shows the dents in the bottom of the pump resivoir! OUCH!
This must have happened when I was changing belts? The third picture shows the pump disassembled. The last picture shows the pump dents removed with it bead blasted and a coat of glazing putty for a final smooth finish!
MJ
POWER STEERING PUMP CONTINUED!
The first picture is a before of the power steering pump brackets. The second and third pictures are of the power steering pump pulley. The last picture is a before of the power steering pump cooler. These pictures don't have much wow factor but when you see the completed assemblies it will! More soon!
MJ
Looking great John... Love the detail to the power steering pump........... :2thumbs:
Kudos to Troy and his team........
My untouched original power steering cooler was very similar....the tubes almost seem damaged and crushed in some areas, but that's the way they came. I'm sure the flow would be better if the bends weren't so retrictive !
Fwiw John, here's something that may interest you if you don't already know of.
http://www.moparaction.com/Tech/beep/PUMP_IT_DOWN-re-v1.4.pdf
Thanks for the comments on the power steering pump! The bends on the original cooler do look a bit crude but that's the way they came back then. The tech article has some good info!
MJ
MORE PREP WORK!
When I dropped the Superbird off I thought that all the engine would need is some gaskets and a fresh paint job!
The first picture shows what my water pump looked like. That was just the beginning! OUCH!
The next two pictures show the damage to the skid plate on the K member. I guess it did it's job? The last picture shows the skid plate cut off for repairs!
MJ
REAR WINDOW REGULATORS!
Each and every piece of the Superbird is cleaned and refurbished even parts that will be hidden when done. The rear window regulators are some of those parts. The first picture shows the regulator frame as removed. The second picture shows the regulator bead blasted. The third picture shows it painted and the last picture shows the regulator assembly ready to be installed!
MJ
VENT WINDOW ASSEMBLIES!
These are a nightmare to take apart and get rechromed then reassembled! This batch of pictures shows the chrome parts of the vent windows before rechroming. Just as a note I had one real nice vent window assembly and one that was not so nice. I saved the nice one and sent in two that were not so nice. The reason is the platers charge the same to rechrome these. I traded the nice one to a friend for his project!
This is the last of the pictures that went with the February invoice! Many small things being worked on so they are ready when the time comes! Next up are the pictures from the March invoice and visit!
MJ
ORIGINAL DOOR HANDLES!
Back around 1980 I installed some real NOS outer door handles on the Superbird. Over the years they have deteriorated a bit and not nice enough now! So I took my box of door handles down to Troy's shop on a visit. We found a pair of original handles to have rechromed. The first picture shows the rechromed handles waiting for reassembly. The second picture shows the outside edge of an original handle. It has a flat edge! Since the 80's most of the NOS handles that have been sold were superceded truck handles. They look almost the same but they come to a rounded edge on the outside! The third and fourth pictures show the rechromed handles assembled and ready to install on the freshly painted doors!!!
MJ
OIL PAN!
This batch of pictures show the work that needs to be done to the original oil pan. The first picture shows a nice dent in the flange where it bolts to the block. The second picture shows another nice dent in the bottom at the front. Most pans are way worse from the motor being sat down on them! The third picture is of another dent. The last picture shows on overall view of the pan. Keep in mind that the bottom of the oil pan didn't get much paint at the factory when the engine was painted. So there is a lot of work to be done to restore this pan! :'(
MJ
Looking great John.... I remember rechroming the original door handles for the '68 J-code I had. They fit like a glove !!! It was nice having the originals in good enough condition ( no pitting ) to rechrome. The NOS ones you got back in the 80's/90's were retooled truck door handles and there was an ever-so-slight difference in fit and casting.......
That looks great ! Wish my parts didn't have the pitting. Eventually I'll find ones that are better. Yours look great and it's nice to not have to think about changing them down the road.
:2thumbs:
I had Jules rechrome mine handles when I sent him my other plating projects. He said they were still able to actually still get real chrome done in Canada. I have no idea if that's the case or not but they sure look good!
Quote from: hemi68charger on April 23, 2014, 11:13:17 AM
Looking great John.... I remember rechroming the original door handles for the '68 J-code I had. They fit like a glove !!! It was nice having the originals in good enough condition ( no pitting ) to rechrome. The NOS ones you got back in the 80's/90's were retooled truck door handles and there was an ever-so-slight difference in fit and casting.......
Troy,
I think there are so many truck handles out there it's like Legendary interiors and becomes the new norm!
Not as many with the right handles as there are the wrong ones!
MJ
Quote from: r4daytona on April 23, 2014, 11:54:58 AM
That looks great ! Wish my parts didn't have the pitting. Eventually I'll find ones that are better. Yours look great and it's nice to not have to think about changing them down the road.
Tom,
The original door handles are easy to find and not real expensive to rechrome. The vent window frames is a whole nother story! I think the rechroming bill alone was around $900.00 for all the pieces!
I recently watched a Graveyard Cars issue with your Daytona! Was a great show to watch!
I would like to chat with you about it sometime. The Daytona came out great and you have
caught the make it better bug to boot!
MJ
Quote from: FJ5WING on April 23, 2014, 12:47:44 PM
:2thumbs:
I had Jules rechrome mine handles when I sent him my other plating projects. He said they were still able to actually still get real chrome done in Canada. I have no idea if that's the case or not but they sure look good!
FJ5,
The chrome in the pictures was done here in the states and looks good! I hope it holds up!
Speaking of Jules he did the 2 speed wiper motor on my B5 Daytona. He had advertised a special run of 20 about that time. He normally didn't restore 2 speeds. It came out great! When getting things together for the Superbird I sent off the 3 speed wiper motor way ahead. It came out great also! I am glad that I did that as it was one of the last that he restored before we lost him!
MJ
PUTTING OUT FIRES!!!!
With the restoration coming close to the end things are picking up speed! Things are going together and the phone calls are more frequent. Not all of them are pleasant! Recently I was informed that my 2 NOS right tie rod ends and 2 NOS left tie rod ends were actually 4 NOS right tie rod ends !@#$%^&*()_! Chrysler used the same casting with the same part number and just threaded them both ways. It's real hard to tell. With the front suspension going together we needed lefts yesterday. My first picture shows some tie rod assemblies I dug out of my 5 gallon bucket to send down to the shop. I'm sending both ends just in case! There was also a question of the correct idler arm being used so I got one off another 1970 B Body K frame and sent it down also! That is the second picture. The I'm told they need better sway bar bracket bushings! I had bought a pair of the superceded ones and they were not correct! So I went back to the pile of extra parts for the 1970 GTX racecar and found an extra swaybar with nice bushings. That is in the third picture. I used a hair blow dryer to heat them up and removed them. The last picture is of a nice original starter relay I picked up with a great 39th week of 1969 date code! Only one question to answer and one part to find today!
MJ
WIPER PIVOTS AND LINKAGE!
This batch of pictures show what the wiper pivots and linkage looked like when removed!
The first two pictures are of the wiper pivots. You can see the guy who painted the Superbird last time ( ME ) left them in and din't mask them off very well! The third picture is of the the wiper hardware. The last picture is of another view of a pivot with orange overspray on it!
MJ
SKID PLATE AND K MEMBER WORK!
In a prevoius post I showed where the skid plate on the K member was dented and scratched. Here I show some of the work to repair it. The first picture shows the skid plate removed and a big dent in the corner! OUCH!
The second picture shows the skid plate with the scratches removed and the dent repaired. The third picture is of the K member prepped for the skid plate. The last picture shows the skid plate welded back in place!
MJ
WIPER PIVOTS AND LINKAGE PART 2!
Here are some more pictures of the wiper pivots and linkage restoration. The first picture shows one of the pivots taped for bead blasting. The second picture is of all the parts restored. The last picture shows all the parts assembled and ready to install all the Superbird body! These are small steps in the big picture but when the get added to the body they amke for bigger moments!
MJ
POWER STEERING PUMP WORK!
Again here are pictures of work being done on another part that makes up the big picture!
The first picture is of the power steering pump cooler after it was bead blasted and the fins straightened out.
The second picture is of the power steering pump pulleys after bead blasting. The third and fourth pictures are of the power steering pump brackets after they have been bead blasted!
MJ
ANOTHER TELEPHONE CALL FOR PARTS!
This time it's for a trunk weatherstrip and some engine wire harness goodies!
We only needed a couple of more items to finish off the trunk. One is a factory trunkmat and the other is a factory weatherstrip. I have been looking all over the place for these items. Then I had a thought! Maybe the GTX racecar still has it's original? The attached picture shows the original trunk weatherstrip still on the GTX in great shape!
Boy did I get lucky there! The second picture is a close up of the factory part number that shows up every so often on the weather strip. The weatherstrip was on a big roll and cut off and put into some type of heated press and cut and formed for the differant cars. Usually at one end on the underside was the part number for the application.
The last picture is of the three 1970 engine wire harnesses that I'm sending down for that project!
MJ
I knew the trunk weatherstrips were impossible to find but I wasn't able to remove it without causing more damage than I would've liked to try and reinstall. :icon_smile_blackeye:
Well that and Im not going to the extent that you are. :icon_smile_big:
Quote from: FJ5WING on May 02, 2014, 04:38:00 PM
I knew the trunk weatherstrips were impossible to find but I wasn't able to remove it without causing more damage than I would've liked to try and reinstall. :icon_smile_blackeye:
Well that and Im not going to the extent that you are. :icon_smile_big:
FJ5,
It took quite some time to get that weatherstrip removed!
MJ
MORE PREP WORK!
A little by little things are moving forward! The first picture in this batch is of the motor mount brackets bead blasted and ready for primer. The second picture shows them hanging and now in primer!
The third picture is of the main alternator bracket bead blasted. The last picture shows it hanging and in primer!
MJ
MORE POWER STEERING PUMP WORK!
The first picture shows the resivoir back on the pump after repairs. The second picture shows the power steering pulley and brake master cylinder plate hanging and in primer. The third picture is of one of the power steering pump brackets hanging and primered. The last picture is of the fan already cleaned up and in primer!
MJ
MORE POWER STEERING PUMP & FUEL FILLER TUBE!
The first picture in this batch is of the other power steering pump bracket now in primer! The second picture is of the power steering pump cooler in primer. The third picture is of the fuel filler tube as removed from the tank. The last picture is of the fuel filler tube after it was cleaned up. No big WOW moments but building toward some!
MJ
WING BRACES!
Here is a series of pictures showing the restoration of the wing braces!
The first picture shows a lower view as taken off with the rusted hardware. The second picture shows one of the braces where I bent the bottom due to my welding the tab to the new trunk floor extension in the wrong spot years ago! The third picture shows them hanging after bead blasting. The last picture shows them painted and ready to install! When will the wing go back on?
MJ
SWAY BAR!
Here are a few pictures of the sway bar. The first one is of it as removed from the Superbird. One problem is I painted it silver! The second picture is of it blasted and the last is of it painted. The ready to go parts pile is getting bigger!
MJ
THE K MEMBER IS PAINTED!
In some previous posts you saw the K member work going on and now it's ready! The first picture shows it hung and ready for paint. The second picture shows it now painted and ready!
The third picture shows the inner fender splash shields blasted. I am surprised at the great condition they were in!
The last picture shows the splash shields now painted! THE WING IS NEXT!
MJ
WING RESTORATION!
With the wing washers restored and part of the body and the wing braces restored it was time to get the wing ready! The uprights and cross bar were stripped of the decals and paint. The first picture shows the drivers upright with some light filler to smooth it out. The second picture is of the passengers upright. The third picture shows the center section stripped and ready for the next step. The last picture is of the center section with an aluminum friendly primer coat!
MJ
WING RESTORATION PART 2!
Here the wing restoration work continues! The first two pictures are of the wing uprights also in their first coat of aluminum friendly primer. The third and fourth pictures are of the uprights now in a second coat of regular primer!
MJ
THE WING ASSEMBLY IS BACK ON THE SUPERBIRD!!!
The first picture is of the center section in it's second coat of regular primer. The second picture is of the uprights being wet sanded prior to paint. The third picture is of the uprights now in orange paint. I saved the best for last! The last picture is of the wing assembly now back on the Superbird! WOW!
MJ
Thanks for always sharing so much John!
Lookin' GREAT!
Quote from: Dave Kanofsky on May 06, 2014, 12:38:01 PM
Thanks for always sharing so much John!
Lookin' GREAT!
:iagree:
Dave took the words right out of my mouth............... Now, I need a drink..............
Quote from: hemi68charger on May 06, 2014, 01:18:43 PM
Quote from: Dave Kanofsky on May 06, 2014, 12:38:01 PM
Thanks for always sharing so much John!
Lookin' GREAT!
:iagree:
Dave took the words right out of my mouth............... Now, I need a drink..............
Now I need a swig of mouthwash!!!
:drool5: nice , great stuff :popcrn:
THANKS to everyone here on the site and the pm's!
The parts are swiftly going from the to be worked on tables to the finished tables or better yet reinstalled on the Superbird!
MJ
FRONT VALANCE CORNERS!
You will remember from some earlier posts that the front valance corners were worked on and test fit already!
The first two pictures show them hanging and ready for primer. The third picture shows them in the first coat of self etching primer. The last picture shows them now in regular primer!
MJ
TRANSMISSION CROSS MEMBER!
With the K member repaired and painted it was time to get the transmission cross member ready!
The first picture shows it already bead blasted and ready for primer. The second picture shows it now in primer. The last two pictures shows it painted and ready to install! GREAT!
MJ
Looks good John! Would like to see that trans cross member a little more glossy....maybe it's the pic.
Quote from: maxwellwedge on May 08, 2014, 08:45:54 AM
Looks good John! Would like to see that trans cross member a little more glossy....maybe it's the pic.
Jim,
Take a look at the picture of the K member and see what you think?
I believe the same paint was used on the cross member.
Thanks! MJ
QUARTER PANEL SCOOPS & WINDOW PLUG FILLER PIECES!
Here are some more pieces of the puzzle getting ready for reassembly! The first picture is of the quarter panel scoops hanging and ready for epoxy primer. The second picture is of the window plug filler pieces also ready for epoxy primer. The third picture shows the parts in epoxy primer. The last picture shows them with a coat of regular primer.
MJ
QUARTER PANEL SCOOPS & WINDOW PLUG FILLER PIECES PART 2!
The first picture shows the parts now sanded and ready for paint. The second picture shows the parts now painted along with the front spoiler and ready to be reinstalled on the Superbird body! The last picture shows the taillight housings and the quarter extensions also painted and ready for reinstallation! I can't wait till all these parts are back on!
MJ
MORE ENGINE WORK!
This batch of pictures shows some of the work that was done to make the engine more correct!
The first picture is of a block drain plug that has been stripped. The second picture shows a nut that was threaded on the remains of the block plug. Later it was welded to the block plug. The third picture shows a correct replacement plug now in the block! The last picture shows the engine oil dip stick. If you look close at the bottom it was damaged by me installing it with a wide tipped screw driver. I was able to get an NOS one from a closed dealership that still had one!
MJ
ENGINE WORK PART 2!
In this batch of pictures I show more work that was done to make the engine correct!
The first two pictures show valve cover wire tabs that were broke off. The last two pictures shows the same areas with new tabs welded in place! You will also notice where some work is going on to remove a small dent in one of the valve covers.
MJ
ENGINE WORK PART 3!
Here we show more engine work. This time the exhaust manifolds! The first problem was that the passengers side exhaust manifold had a small crack in it. Try to find a properly date coded single manifold today! I had a guy respond to my want ad then told me that someone who looked at it a while back stopped and bought it!@#$%^&!
I got back in touch and asked him to buy it back or trade for another one he had with a date I couldn't use. A few days went by and he made it happen! The first picture shows the NOS and used heat riser parts. The second picture shows the replacement exhaust manifold with the rebuilt heat riser ready to install. The last two pictures shows the engine all restored and ready for paint! ENJOY!
MJ
Didn't six pack motors get the larger hemi fuel pump? and wasn't the dipstick tube installed after the motor was painted?
I could be dead wrong on both, but that's what I had in my head for some reason...
Doug,
Very good observations on both items!
I'll start with the dip stick tube. The one that's in the motor is the beat up one. It was keeping the hole covered back then. It was removed before paint and the NOS one installed after paint!
On the fuel pump you'll notice that it's already orange. That was a new pump that was bought for the B5 Daytona while I was sorting out fuel probblems. The correct date coded and part number fuel pump is out for restoration and upgrades for modern fuels. It should be back before paint and if not will be swapped out when it returns. It looks just like the one on the motor and is not a HEMI style pump.
Thanks! John
Quote from: Mopar John on May 16, 2014, 04:48:10 PM
... It looks just like the one on the motor and is not a HEMI style pump.
Thanks! John
Yeap, six packs got the "regular" looking fuel pump.........
MORE NOSE CONE WORK!
This batch of pictures shows the nose cone getting ready for paint! The first two pictures with the " GUIDE COAT " primer applied! The third picture shows the nose assembled with the headlight doors adjusted. The last picture shows the nose taken apart, sanded and hung for paint!
MJ
SOME ASSEMBLY REQUIRED!
In this segment you will see how it all starts to come together! The first picture shows the glue applied for the cowl under shoddy. The cowl under shoddy has a story to go with it. The original was junk and the original from my 1970 GTX racecar was missing a piece. So I posted a want ad in the Moparts parts restoration forum asking who made the best under shoddy? Jim Filmore from Detroit Muscle Technologies responded that he was a little over a week away to having a new shoddy that he had been working on for a couple of years! He said if we could wait we would get the first one he would make! WOW! He was true to his word and made the cutter and got the first one to us in the promised time frame! The second picture shows the under shoddy installed. The third and fourth pictures show the restored wiper motor and restored linkage installed. The parts pile is starting to get smaller!
MJ
Sweet !!!!! Gorgeous......
:2thumbs: :2thumbs: :2thumbs:
John,
Did 6bbl engines come with the steel shield that attached to the front intake manifold valley pan retaining bar and as well the insulation pad that was positioned under the intake runners and valley pan gaskets like the 4bbls?
Quote from: hemi68charger on May 18, 2014, 10:16:09 PM
John,
Did 6bbl engines come with the steel shield that attached to the front intake manifold valley pan retaining bar and as well the insulation pad that was positioned under the intake runners and valley pan gaskets like the 4bbls?
Troy,
Not that I have seen. We have the engine painted and those parts you speak of are not included.
On another note I'm glad you got the reinforcement plate for the HEMI transplant!
MJ
DOOR GLASS!
In this segment I will share pictures of the door glass assembly. The first step in this process was about a year ago I hand carried the original glass to be polished. This process removed all the window felt scratches, ice scraper scratches and anything else that was there. The second step was for Troy and the guys to disassemble the parts and get the chrome parts redone. Here we join the action with parts going back together! The first picture shows the new NOS door glass forward edge weatherstrip being installed. The second picture shows the door glass tracks before restoration. The third picture shows the same parts after. The last picture shows the drivers vent window being reassembled. This looks complicated and it is! There is some voo doo about those vent window frames. I have made junk trying to work on the frames myself!
MJ
DOOR GLASS PART 2!
Here we continue with pictures of the door glass! The first picture shows the vent frames all restored and reassembled! The second and third pictures show all the glass related parts laid out and ready to install in the doors!
The last picture is of some of the related hardware that has been cleaned up and ready! Enjoy!
MJ
Quote from: hemi68charger on May 18, 2014, 10:16:09 PM
John,
Did 6bbl engines come with the steel shield that attached to the front intake manifold valley pan retaining bar and as well the insulation pad that was positioned under the intake runners and valley pan gaskets like the 4bbls?
Hey AB - Never seen a 440 HP (other than a TNT C-Body motor) with that insulation pad.
John - Do yourself a big favor and cut that flapper down in your exhaust manifold. I had one stick closed once (on a fresh resto!) and it burned up a few valves. It will still look stock on the outside.
Quote from: maxwellwedge on May 20, 2014, 08:58:48 AM
Quote from: hemi68charger on May 18, 2014, 10:16:09 PM
John,
Did 6bbl engines come with the steel shield that attached to the front intake manifold valley pan retaining bar and as well the insulation pad that was positioned under the intake runners and valley pan gaskets like the 4bbls?
Hey AB - Never seen a 440 HP (other than a TNT C-Body motor) with that insulation pad.
John - Do yourself a big favor and cut that flapper down in your exhaust manifold. I had one stick closed once (on a fresh resto!) and it burned up a few valves. It will still look stock on the outside.
Hey Jim!
So what your telling me is that I could have bought the 1970 small block heat riser kit with the smaller flapper for 1/5th of what I paid for the big block kit!
Thanks! MJ
THROTTLE CABLE BRACKET & REAR WINDOW REGULATORS!
We'll folks this is the last batch of pictures from the March invoice! The first picture shows the throttle cable bracket before restoration. The second picture shows it restored and mounted to the firewall. The last two pictures show the rear window regulators installed!
In my next segment I will post pictures of our late March visit! STAY TUNED!
MJ
MARCH 26TH VISIT PART 2!
Here are the rest of the pictures from the March 26th visit that I promised earlier. I just wanted to post about all the work that was done to get to this point before sharing these pictures. The first picture is an overall view of the underside of the cowl area. You can see the shoddy and wiper components all in place. The second picture is of the passengers door and quarter window area from the inside. Now all the glass and linkage is in place. The third picture is of the drivers side form the outside. Again all the glass and linkage is in along with the door handle, door lock and outside mirror. The last picture is of the wing center section and valance corners just painted orange!
MJ
MARCH 25TH VISIT PART 3!
Here are the last of the pictures I took on the March 26th visit! The first picture is of the nose cone now orange! This is one of my favorites! The second picture is of the wing uprights now freshly painted also! The third picture is of the taillight housings, quarter extensions and side scoops just painted orange! The last picture is a front view of the engine. You can see the NOS water pump and NOS negative battery cable in place and ready for paint.
The Superbird is coming along great and I will be posting more pictures soon! 426 Linda and I are planning a visit soon to take all the NOS decals down and see the Superbird! I can't wait! ENJOY!
I would like to thank all the guys responding to my parts wanted ads to help make this thing move along!
MJ
that's good stuff John!
Could you tell me what finish is on the engine oil dip stick since it was mentioned in an earlier post that it wasn't painted engine color?
Quote from: FJ5WING on May 22, 2014, 11:32:16 AM
that's good stuff John!
Could you tell me what finish is on the engine oil dip stick since it was mentioned in an earlier post that it wasn't painted engine color?
THANKS!
I was able to buy an NOS oil dip stick tube from a closed dealership inventory!
I have attached a picture for you to look at. All we are going to do is clean it up
and install it now that the engine assembly is painted!
I hope this helps.
MJ
Top shelf John!
JUST AN UPDATE FOR EVERYONE FOLLOWING THIS RESTORATION
I did not receive a picture disc with the April invoice because it was mainly for parts and restoration services. I did get a picture disc with the May invoice and it has all the pictures up till a week ago. The problem is my old computer has problems and quit working! I am borrowing Lindas lap top to keep up with things!
I will not be able to post pictures until I figure something out. The guys who I have spoken to have told me to keep buying NOS and original parts for the Superbird and get a new computer and share the story later! I want to thank everyone that has answered my parts want ads and questions. It has helped a lot!
If you have time scan my remaining want ads and see if you can help?
I am going to have a big announcement on the Superbird soon!
MJ
Hi John - On the questions you had. I snapped a few pics of my Bird... of the areas in question.
The rockers/pinch welds were not blacked out....but interestingly, when they shot the sound deadener in the rear wheel wells they got some of it on the rockers. Both sides showed this.
As far as the vertical brace behind the nose.....not exactly sure what you meant....and the only way to take a pic of that area is through the grill....so I did the best I could. Hope the pics help! :cheers:
Jim,
Thanks for the quick reply and pictures of your awesome original Superbird!
MJ
BIG ANNOUNCEMENT!
For those of you who have been wondering what my big announcement is here we go!
The Superbird is a complete car again and will be displayed at "CHRYSLERS AT CARLISLE" next week!
The Superbird will be the center piece of the Troy Angelly Restorations display!
The location of Troy's display is spaces L 116-122 and M 118-119.
Stop by and see the Superbird you've been reading about!
It is not quite finished as we have just a few more parts to find and restore.
There will be a want list posted near the car. I will also move up my wanted ads on this site.
Thanks! MJ
Great looking car and great detail work. :2thumbs:
Quote from: Mopar John on July 05, 2014, 09:47:39 AM
BIG ANNOUNCEMENT!
For those of you who have been wondering what my big announcement is here we go!
The Superbird is a complete car again and will be displayed at "CHRYSLERS AT CARLISLE" next week!
...
Outstanding !!! :2thumbs:
Very exciting news John! :2thumbs: :2thumbs:
Damn, there goes any chances of getting a trophy for the rest of us. ;)
Thanks for all the great comments guys!
Mark not to worry the Superbird is not quite ready for judging and will be for display only in the Troy Angelly Restorations booth!
MJ
Troy / Angelly Restorations!
On Friday November 14th 426 Linda and I arrived at the Troy Angelly restorations shop to pick up our Superbird.
Since Talladega was cancelled and the next show up was the MCACN show we decided to do a few more things
to the Superbird. When we got there the Superbird was out front and running with the guys going over it doing final detaling. The Superbird looked better than new and was running better than I ever had it with the six pack and dual point distributor! We looked the Superbird over and loaded it up in our trailer for the ride home. We had a few left over parts to go through and paid the final invoice which turned out to be a LOT less than we thought with all the work that was done! We took our time and got home late that night. Saturday morning I unloaded the Superbird and started getting it ready for the MCACN show. I put the best owners manual that I had in the glove box and put all the original factory items in the trunk. I took the license plate off so the nice original bracket and nylon grommets could be seen. I re-installed the correct oil filler cap with the hard seal and charged the battery just in case. The rest of the week leading up to Thursday was mainly keeping it clean and getting items ready for the show display. Last Thursday we arrived at the show and waited our turn to unload. We were near the front in the
"COLOR MY WORLD" display. We ended up second in line to the "RADKE" Daytona. Friday was an easy day watching everyone else unload and get ready. Soon we were surrounded by HEMI 4 speed Superbirds! There were only 58 made and 3 were there! One unrestored low milage survivor and two very nice restored cars!
Things started looking up on Saturday when Linda won the MK INSURANCE leading lady MOPAR award!
Next up was the part I hate was the judging of what you spent the last two years of your life on. Things seemed like they went well? Saturday night was tough as we were pulled in many differant directions and missed the get together! SORRY! Sunday morning blew by and it was now time for the awards. They do the street stock awards then move up to the CONCOURS bronze, silver and gold. We ended up getting a CONCOURS GOLD for the Superbird!
Then they move up to the Emerald and Platinum awards by brand. We were honored to also receieve the Emerald award for PLYMOUTH! We would like to thank Troy and Eli Angelly, Duane the fabricator, Jeff the mechanical guy and Jeremy the new guy on all the hard work and details. We would also like to thank all those who gave up precious parts especially Doug Schellinger! Last to all those who helped answer questinos and supplied pictures and just cheered us on! WOW!
MJ
Job well done, the car looks great. It's cool to see the transformations of both wing cars after knowing them for all these years.
Now if I can just get the ball rolling on the EV2DEMON....
John, the car did look great in person and I had a good time chatting with you about it on Friday. Congrats on the awards, they are all well deserved.
Pat
Quote from: EV2DEMON on November 24, 2014, 02:13:29 PM
Job well done, the car looks great. It's cool to see the transformations of both wing cars after knowing them for all these years.
Now if I can just get the ball rolling on the EV2DEMON....
The best advice that I can give you is to make a complete list of parts you will need for your EV2DEMON!
Your car was made for a short time and items specific to the car are drying up! Buy those parts and store them carefully. It will help the process keep moving when you do restore the car!
MJ
Quote from: 70EK2Bird on November 24, 2014, 03:17:37 PM
John, the car did look great in person and I had a good time chatting with you about it on Friday. Congrats on the awards, they are all well deserved.
Pat
Pat,
It was great to meet another EK2 Superbird owner and one of our CMC chapter directors at the show!
I was kept very busy but made it twice to the other end of the show to see your Superbird and chat.
Unfortunately you were not near the Superbird. Very nice car and one of very few that has not been cleansed and lost it's identity!
MJ
MAY 30th 2014 INVOICE!
It's been along time since I posted on the restoration of our Superbird! My computer crashed just after I finished posting all the work done on the March 2014 invoice!
I have had a new computer for a while but it's been a learning process for me to get the pictures off the disk and resized ready to attach. When I left off the body had
been painted and some parts were being put on. Now it's time for a bunch of sub assemblies to get restored and then installed on the body. First up is the emergency
brake assembly! The first two pictures show the assembly front and back as pulled from the car. The third picture shows the hardware cleaned and the nut and bolt
already in black phosphate. The last picture shows an outer view with the pedal portion in fresh black paint.
MJ
EMERGENCY BRAKE ASSEMBLY PART 2!
Here we continue with pictures of the emergency brake assembly! The first picture shows the back side of the pedal in fresh black paint.
The last two pictures show the assembly restored and ready to install in the Superbird body! One thing that I was very happy about is
that the two studs that go through the firewall didn't snap off and that we were able to use the originals!
Hope to get back to posting on a regular basis!
MJ
Very nice there Mr. John... :2thumbs:
:2thumbs: :popcrn:
Quote from: hemi68charger on February 10, 2015, 12:08:45 PM
Very nice there Mr. John... :2thumbs:
Thanks Troy! I am glad to see the HEMI is back in your Daytona and up and running again.
I can't wait to hear the results of the road test!
Quote from: tan top on February 10, 2015, 07:37:27 PM
:2thumbs: :popcrn:
More today!
MJ
BRAKE PEDAL ASSEMBLY!
I have one last picture of the emergency brake assembly with the switch and pull knob installed and then on to the brake pedal assembly!
The first picture of the brake pedal assembly shows it basically cleaned up. The second and third pictures show it disassembled. I will be right
back with the rest of the brake pedal assembly restoration!
MJ
BRAKE PEDAL ASSEMBLY PART 2!
The first picture in this batch shows the hardware for the brake pedal assembly cleaned and ready.
The second picture shows the brake pedal assembly restored from the front view. The last two pictures
show the restored assembly from the drivers and then passengers sides! WOW! Can't wait till it's installed!
MJ
EMERGENCY BRAKE PEDAL ASSEMBLY AND BRAKE PEDAL ASSEMBLY INSTALLED!!!
The first picture shows an NOS brake pedal pad that I was able to buy. It has the correct style slots going up and down where the later and more easy to find ones go side to side.
The second picture shows the restored brake pedal assembly now installed. The third picture shows the restored emergency brake pedal assembly installed. The last picture is an
overall firewall view with the assemblies installed!
Next up will be a bunch of pictures of the heater box restoration!
MJ
Geez, John, you're stealing all my thunder when I do mine. Now I'll have nothing to show.
Mitch,
First off I hope your restoration turns out the way you want it to!
There are so many horror stories out there now days.
I'm sure there will be items that are done differently that will help others.
An example of this would be dipping the body VS some type of media blast.
Both have proven successful in high level restorations.
Thanks for following along!
MJ
HEATER BOX RESTORATION!
As promised I'm back with a bunch of pictures from the heater box restoration. Troy used to send these out to be restored because of all the parts and time involved.
But for the last few years he has developed a process and the materials to do this in house. This first batch of pictures show the heater box before restoration.
MJ
HEATER BOX RESTORATION PART 2!
This batch of pictures show the disassembly of the heater box!
MJ
HEATER BOX RESTORATION PART 3!
In this batch of pictures we see the restoration of the parts get started. You will see the panel and flap prepped and a couple of the panels restored and ready for assembly!
MJ
HEATER BOX RESTORATION PART 4!
In this batch of pictures the heater box restoration continues. You see in the first picture some of the small components restored.
The last three pictures show the brackets restored and ready for assembly.
This is about half way in the pictures I have for this assembly.
I will return soon with the other half. ENJOY!
MJ
Very nice work :2thumbs:
Nelson
HEATER BOX RESTORATION PART 5!
Here we go with the rest of the heater box restoration pictures that I have! This batch starts out with the flap and grille restored.
The third picture shows the housing restored. The last picture shows the reassembly process starting with the restored flap installed.
MJ
HEATER BOX RESTORATION PART 6!
In this batch of pictures you will see the heater box restored and now reassembled!
I can't wait to see it installed to the firewall!
MJ
HEATER BOX INSTALLED!!
In this batch of pictures the first one is a milestone for me showing the restored heater box now installed! WOW!
The second picture shows another view of the firewall with the insulation also installed.
The third and fourth pictures are of the drivers side vent box before restoration.
MJ
DRIVERS SIDE VENT BOX RESTORATION!
With the heater box restored and installed it was time to restore the drivers side vent box!
The first picture shows all the components for the vent box. The second picture shows the bracket restored.
The third and fourth pictures show the restored vent box from the side and front ready for installation!
Stay tuned as I have about 600 pictures to sort through for this invoice! ENJOY!
MJ
John, how are the bare metal pieces on the heater box treated to prevent re-oxidation over time?
Very nice John !!
Does the heater box come with a yellow part number stamped on the front black cover? If so, is it the same as in '69 ( i.e, your Daytona )?
Quote from: Aero426 on March 10, 2015, 10:10:55 AM
John, how are the bare metal pieces on the heater box treated to prevent re-oxidation over time?
Doug,
If I remember correctly they were treated with RPM from ECS.
Quote from: hemi68charger on March 10, 2015, 11:06:13 AM
Very nice John !!
Does the heater box come with a yellow part number stamped on the front black cover? If so, is it the same as in '69 ( i.e, your Daytona )?
Troy,
If you look at the tear down pictures on page 18 of this post the number 2936681 is stamped on the front cover.
This part number appears in the 1970-71 parts book but is not listed in section 1-48-1?
Part number 2936680 is listed for 1970 R & W bodies. So maybe 2936681 has an update?
Both Daytonas have part number 2837500 stamped on the front cover so there is a difference.
MJ
FINISH DETAILS ON BODY PAINT!
With the Superbird body painted and all the components ready to go it was time for assembly of the body parts.
When everything was assembled and the gaps the way they should be it was time to go back and paint
all the fastners body color. The first picture shows the drivers side trunklid bolts painted body color.
The second picture shows the drivers side door hinge bolts painted body color.
The last two pictures in this batch show the hood hinge bolts also painted!
MJ
FINISH DETAILS ON BODY PAINT 2!
We continue on here with the details on body paint!
The first two pictures show the passengers side door hinge bolts and trunklid bolts painted.
Now we move on to some other details!
The third picture shows the drivers side inner fender restored.
The last picture shows the inner fender installed. ENJOY!
MJ
FINISH DETAILS ON BODY PAINT 3!
This batch of pictures show how Troy and the guys finished off the paint on the fastners for the quarter panel extensions!
There is also a sneak peak at the NOS rear body wire harness!
MJ
That's how I do it too John. Only difference I see,is that I wait until the car is most of the way together in ace there is a minor adjustment needed here or there from a part having weight in it or a weatherstrip changing something or whatever .
Quote from: Charger-Bodie on March 25, 2015, 06:16:07 PM
That's how I do it too John. Only difference I see,is that I wait until the car is most of the way together in ace there is a minor adjustment needed here or there from a part having weight in it or a weatherstrip changing something or whatever .
I can see your concern especially if your using some of the reproduction weatherstrips out there.
I can remember working on another car and we couldn't get the door to shut once the weatherstrip was installed!
Thanks! MJ
VINYL TOP AND REAR WINDOW!!
With most of the paint work done and the overspray out of the air it was time to install the new vinyl top!
This batch of pictures show the guys getting some of the trim parts ready.
The first two pictures are of the sail panel moldings that needed the paint freshened up.
The third picture shows the original back window filler pieces painted orange and masked off for the black paint.
The last picture shows these parts painted black and drying for installation that's coming up soon!
MJ
VINYL TOP AND REAR WINDOW PART 2!
This batch of pictures is another big milestone for me in the restoration!
The first two pictures show the vinyl top installed along with the freshly painted sail panel moldings and window corners.
If you look closely you will see that the headliner has also been installed before the front and rear glass was installed.
This helps the installers pull the headliner tight for a nice looking installation!
The last two pictures show the rear glass and trim installed! WOW!
Back when I redid the Superbird in 1980 I couldn't find a correct pattern vinyl top and I also had bent the trim to where it
didn't look right at the joints. I also had the rear glass polished so this whole area looks fresh and new!!
MJ
I refuse to use those repop weatherstrips too
Quote from: Charger-Bodie on March 26, 2015, 11:46:42 AM
I refuse to use those repop weatherstrips too
Brian, you do so many cars, how do you find correct weatherstripping?
Most of the weatherstriping is reusable,just needs cleanup.
Quote from: Charger-Bodie on March 27, 2015, 08:07:23 AM
Most of the weatherstriping is reusable,just needs cleanup.
Wow, I'll have to look at the Birds...
John, this thread is awesome!!! I really appreciate all the detail especially that I'll be ripping the Bird apart soon.
Quote from: 1970Moparmann on March 27, 2015, 08:36:34 AM
Quote from: Charger-Bodie on March 27, 2015, 08:07:23 AM
Most of the weatherstriping is reusable,just needs cleanup.
Wow, I'll have to look at the Birds...
John, this thread is awesome!!! I really appreciate all the detail especially that I'll be ripping the Bird apart soon.
I'm glad your enjoying it Mike!
More to follow today!
MJ
THE TURNING POINT!!
All along I wanted to get NOS sheetmetal and some type of original trunkfloor to correct my amateur body work from back in 1980.
With that goal met and the body turning out just great things were going better than expected. I also had found someone to polish
the original glass. Then Tony Malcein calls me about some left over NOS cat whiskers that he had from building an NOS set for his Daytona.
He had bought some extra pieces to build his set and they were for Road Runners. I bought 5 or 6 pieces from Tony. Not too long after
that Paul Jacobs came up with a couple of more NOS pieces. It took a while but I was able to find the last one to make an NOS set.
That was the turning point where I started trying to find NOS or very nice used as the restoration went on!
Attached are some pictures of the NOS cat whiskers. Notice that most of them have some sort of part number stamped on the back side!
MJ
THE TURNING POINT PART 2!
Here are the pictures of the rest of the NOS cat whiskers!
Not many more of these sets will be assembled!
MJ
DOOR PILLAR PREP!
With the cat whiskers installed it was time for the door pillar prep. These had to have some black paint sprayed on
before the metal trim panels and interior panels are installed. The first two pictures show the drivers side and
passengers side prepped and masked off. The last two pictures show them painted with the same paint as the
top of the doors.
MJ
QUARTER WINDOW PANEL PLASTIC!
With all the other work done it was time to install the plastic that covers the quarter window panel.
I have attached the pictures that show the drivers side and passengers side adhesive and plastic installed!
Next up will be the quarter metal trim panel restoration!
MJ
:coolgleamA: :2thumbs: :popcrn:
This is an amazing build John, you have some truly amazing cars.
Quote from: AFMBR on April 04, 2015, 11:03:16 PM
This is an amazing build John, you have some truly amazing cars.
AFMBR,
Welcome to the site!
You will find whatever your interested in on this AERO car forum!
If you have enjoyed my stories GREAT! That is why I shared them!
Stay tuned for more on the Superbird restoration.
MJ
Rewinding to the heater box topic...sorry, getting caught up on reading this thread. From the Survivor Superbird, please note part number stamp and black oxide finish screws on the heater box cover. The screws might be visible to the vehicle occupant, so Chrysler may have wanted them as inconspicuous as possible.
Hope this helps. Awesome restoration work, as always.
Quote from: Silent-H on April 08, 2015, 08:43:47 AM
Rewinding to the heater box topic...sorry, getting caught up on reading this thread. From the Survivor Superbird, please note part number stamp and black oxide finish screws on the heater box cover. The screws might be visible to the vehicle occupant, so Chrysler may have wanted them as inconspicuous as possible.
Hope this helps. Awesome restoration work, as always.
Silent-H,
Thanks for the comments and observation on the heater box details.
I show the same part number stamp in my tear down pictures.
Also in my tear down pictures I see bright screws all over except
for black oxide on that cover!
I will add that to my to do list and change them out.
Thanks! MJ
INTERIOR METAL TRIM PANELS!
It was now time to get the interior metal trim panels restored and painted!
First up are the rear trim panels. The first picture is a before restoration shot.
The second and third pictures are of the panels filled and sanded.
The last picture shows the passengers panel primed, sanded and ready for paint.
MJ
INTERIOR METAL TRIM PANELS PART 2!
We start off this batch with the drivers side rear metal trim panel primed and sanded.
I will have to wait till later to show the finished and painted panels as they are another disc.
The second and third pictures show the roof rail trim prepped for primer.
The last picture today is of the roof rail trim primed and sanded ready for paint!
Again we will have to wait for the next disc to see the painted trim. SORRY!
MJ
For a minute I couldn't figure out what the rear upper trim panels meant, none my Charger. But it came to mind, this is a 70 Superbird so maybe they mount inside at the top of the sides, below the quarter windows (Chargers have a padded trim panel), is that right??
Quote from: green69rt on April 13, 2015, 04:16:22 PM
For a minute I couldn't figure out what the rear upper trim panels meant, none my Charger. But it came to mind, this is a 70 Superbird so maybe they mount inside at the top of the sides, below the quarter windows (Chargers have a padded trim panel), is that right??
That's correct! The metal panels mount below the quarter windows on the Superbird.
MJ
details, details, details.... :2thumbs:
HEATER BOX ASSEMBLY REVISITED!
A while back in this restoration Troy hemi68charger asked if the same heater box was used in the Daytona's and Superbird's?
I did some digging and the two different part numbers 2837500 for 1969 and 2936680 for 1970 started bugging me.
I thought to myself there must be something different? So I dug out a nice 1969 heater box and a nice 1970 heater box.
After looking over all aspects of the box for a bit I also decided to get the 1969 and 1970 parts books out.
Here is what I found: All the part numbers for the listed parts that make up the assembly are the same except
for the heater cores. If you look at my attached picture you will see the 1969 box on the bottom has a heater core
with both connecting tubes 5/8"! Then look at the 1970 box at the top and one tube is 5/8" like a 1969 but the other is a 1/2"!
The other thing I noticed is that even though the blower motors have the same part number the 1969 blower motor
just has two recessed spots for the screws that hold the two sections together. In comparison the 1970 blower motor
is much busier and has six recessed spots on it. Two are in the same spots and then an additional four spots?
If anyone else has something to add that they have found is different please reply!
MJ
CARPET - CONSOLE AND MORE!
I'm going to try and get going on a regular basis here with our Superbird restoration!
The first picture is of the NOS dimmer switch that was installed just before the new carpet.
The second picture is of the mint bare console body. The third picture shows the console
body in the Superbird on top of the new carpet! The last picture shows the NOS gas pedal
and NOS brake pedal pad!
MJ
CONSOLE PART 2!
The first picture in this batch shows the auto shifter assembly before restoration.
The second picture is of the shifter disassembled. The third picture shows some
of the other parts. The last picture shows the replated console light bezels installed!
MJ
CONSOLE PART 3!
The first picture shows the shifter assembly now restored! The second picture shows it bolted in!
The third picture is of the shifter linkage before restoration. The last picture shows the linkage restored!
MJ
:coolgleamA: :2thumbs: :popcrn:
BRAKE MASTER CYLINDER!
This topic is a bit out of order but there is a question about it on another post!
The first picture is of my Superbird master cylinder before restoration.
You can see where brake fluid worked it's way down the side over the years.
The second and third pictures show the master cylinder bead blasted and cleaned up.
The last picture is of the bottom cleaned up with the part number 2226821.
MJ
ORIGINAL REAR INTERIOR PANELS AND REAR SEAT ASH TRAYS!
I have been sorting through more than 600 pictures from the May invoice and trying to keep some sort of order to this!
So I'm going to stay with interior items for now. The first 2 pictures are of the original rear interior panels before cleaning.
Most of these have burn marks in them or a big scratch where the rear seat frame rubbed against them!
The last 2 pictures are of the rear seat ash trays before being replated!
MJ
REAR SEAT ASH TRAYS PART 2!!
Here we continue with the rear seat ash tray restoration. The first picture is another before plating picture.
The second picture is of the ash tray parts now replated! The third picture is a close up of the inside after plating.
The last picture in this batch is a close up of the ash tray bezel replated. ENJOY MORE SOON!
MJ
Quote from: Mopar John on June 12, 2015, 01:01:07 PM
ORIGINAL REAR INTERIOR PANELS AND REAR SEAT ASH TRAYS!
I have been sorting through more than 600 pictures from the May invoice and trying to keep some sort of order to this!
So I'm going to stay with interior items for now. The first 2 pictures are of the original rear interior panels before cleaning.
Most of these have burn marks in them or a big scratch where the rear seat frame rubbed against them!
The last 2 pictures are of the rear seat ash trays before being replated!
MJ
Nice John !!!! :2thumbs:
:2thumbs: :2thumbs: :2thumbs:
INTERIOR PLASTIC TRIM!
Moving along with the interior it was time to get all the plastic parts cleaned and painted if needed.
The first picture is of the passengers side kick panel and defrost vents.
The second picture is of the original dash pad cleaned up.
The third picture is of the inside windshield pillar covers.
The last picture is of the drivers side kick panel and bucket seat hinge covers.
MJ
INTERIOR PLASTIC TRIM PART 2!
Now we move on to the plastic parts for the dashboard!
The first picture is of the right side of the rallye dash.
The second picture is of the left side of the rallye dash.
The third picture is of the glove box cover. These are getting hard to find in decent shape!
The last picture is of the steering column lower cover.
Next up will be some dash wiring repairs and detailing as they get ready to assemble the dash!
STAY TUNED! MJ
DASH WIRE HARNESS!
I was very lucky to find an NOS rear body wire harness along with an NOS nose wire/vacuum harness.
So this meant Troy and the guys were going to have to restore the dash harness and engine harness.
This batch of pictures will give you an idea of the repairs they had to make to the dash harness.
The first picture shows orange overspray on the dash harness near the firewall connector.
I think I'm the culprit here when I pushed the connector inside the car then painted the engine compartment!
The second picture shows the same area now cleaned up and looking like new!
The third picture shows a bad blue wire that had to be removed from the harness and repaired.
The last picture shows the same blue wire repaired and back in the harness ready for tape.
MJ
DASH WIRE HARNESS PART 2!
Here we continue with the dash wire harness restoration.
The first picture shows the fuseblock back side after repairs.
The second picture is of the dash harness firewall connector parts restored.
The last picture shows the firewall connector assembled and ready for installation!
MJ
LEAF SPRINGS!
I'm jumping around a bit now as other work was going on at the same time.
This batch is of the leaf springs getting ready for restoration!
The first two pictures show the leaf springs disassembled and ready for restoration.
The third picture shows all the hardware laid out and ready for restoration.
The last picture shows the hardware restored! What a difference!
MJ
REAR BUMPER BRACKETS!
Here I'm showing the restoration work on the rear bumper brackets.
I sent down the best of the bumper brackets that I had.
Many are bent and rusted pretty bad 45 years later.
The first picture shows one of the brackets after it had been bead blasted.
The second picture shows the bracket after it had been sanded and primered.
The last picture shows the bracket now in black paint and ready for assembly!
MJ
MORE NOS PARTS!
As the restoration went on I was able to find a few more NOS parts to enhance the Superbird!
This batch of pictures shows some of those parts known to some as "jewelry"!
The first picture is of an NOS pair of emergency brake cables.
The second picture is of an NOS ballast resistor.
The third picture is of an NOS starter relay.
The last picture is of an NOS antenna bezel. ENJOY!
MJ
NOSE CONE BRACKETS!
Here we start off with the main brackets for the nose cone.
I had touched these up before I put the NOS nose on for the Cleveland meet.
The first picture is of one of the brackets before restoration.
The second picture shows the brackets sanded and ready for primer.
The last two pictures show the brackets now in black primer!
MJ
MORE TRUNK AREA DETAILS!
Here we showcase some of the rare detail items in the trunk area!
The first picture is of all the NOS sidemarker parts.
The second picture is of the taillight covers that are usually missing or broken.
The third picture shows the taillight covers cleaned up.
The last picture is of the Mopar bag that the rear body wire harness 2983359 came in! WOW!
MJ
WASHER BOTTLE DETAILS!
The first picture in this batch shows the original washer pump.
These are hard to find with the correct mold spot on the elbow!
The second picture is of the washer bottle caps.
The correct one for 1969 production is the one without the wording.
The third picture shows the washer bottle parts ready to go.
The last picture is of the original trunk weatherstrip cleaned up and ready also!
The many detailed parts will be added to the body soon!
MJ
Quote from: Mopar John on July 14, 2015, 11:01:52 AM
WASHER BOTTLE DETAILS!
The first picture in this batch shows the original washer pump.
These are hard to find with the correct mold spot on the elbow!
The second picture is of the washer bottle caps.
The correct one for 1969 production is the one without the wording.
The third picture shows the washer bottle parts ready to go.
The last picture is of the original trunk weatherstrip cleaned up and ready also!
The many detailed parts will be added to the body soon!
MJ
Nice stuff John! The proper washer pumps are hard to find - period.....and with a good date - almost impossible. There was a guy restoring these but he is now in a hippie commune sucking on a hookah. :lol:
THANKS JIM!
I think Jules the wiperman was doing some work on washer pumps to go with his wiper motors
before he passed away?
Some others are doing motors now but not pumps.
You mention date coded parts and they are all getting hard to find.
I am saving all the old dated stuff now hoping someone will come up with a way
to restore some of them.
I have some starter relays, horn relays and a power steering hose all with great dates.
We have done some work on replating some parts but they just don't look correct.
MJ
REAR BUMPER ASSEMBLY!
Today I will be posting on the Superbird rear bumper assembly!
It seems simple but there are a lot of parts that make up this assembly!
There will be several posts with pictures of this!
The first two pictures in this batch show the license plate bracket front and back before restoration.
The third picture shows the bracket hardware bead blasted.
The last picture shows the bracket hardware restored.
In the last picture the spring is a NOS part I found.
MJ
REAR BUMPER ASSEMBLY PART 2!
In this batch I show the license plate bracket completed!
The first picture shows the license plate bracket cleaned up.
This was the best original I had with nice spangle in the galvanizing!
You won't find that in the reproductions that have just come out.
The second picture shows the license plate bracket assembly restored and ready!
The last two pictures show the rear bumper hardware before and after restoration!
MJ
REAR BUMPER ASSEMBLY PART 3!
In this batch of pictures I show the original reverse lamp assemblies.
The first picture shows the front view.
The second picture shows the back view before restoration.
The third picture shows the housings restored.
We are using the original housings because they look great!
MJ
REAR BUMPER ASSEMBLY PART 4!
In this batch we show some more NOS parts
The first picture is of the left NOS backup lamp lens 3420583.
The second picture is of the right NOS backup lens 3420582.
The last picture is of the rare NOS license plate lamp assembly 3403941.
It looks simple now but the parts were gathered over time.
In fact I had bought an NOS license plate lamp lens and later found the assembly.
The extra lens is now in the parts for sale section.
MJ
REAR BUMPER ASSEMBLY PART 5!
We'll here it all comes together!
The first two pictures are of the bumper assembly from the front.
The last two pictures are of the bumper assembly from the back.
All that's left is to install it on the Superbird body!
MJ
REAR BUMPER ASSEMBLY FINAL!
I only have one picture here and it's of the rear bumper assembly installed on the Superbird body!
This was a great day moving toward completion. Enjoy!
MJ
:2thumbs:
Love the "spangle" (your coined term from a few years ago) on that license plate bracket.
:coolgleamA: :2thumbs:
Quote from: hemigeno on July 16, 2015, 04:32:46 PM
:2thumbs:
Love the "spangle" (your coined term from a few years ago) on that license plate bracket.
Thanks for pointing that out Gene!
I thought so much of it I went back and modified my post on the bracket.
MJ
John, will the car be at the Red Barn show in a few weeks? I'm on vacation in the area and plan on stopping by! :2thumbs:
Quote from: 1970Moparmann on July 17, 2015, 03:07:11 PM
John, will the car be at the Red Barn show in a few weeks? I'm on vacation in the area and plan on stopping by! :2thumbs:
The Red Barns show is a week from tomorrow on the 25th!
The Daytona is on display there and I will be there with my car hauler full of left overs and mistakes and more!
The Superbird will not be there. The next show will probably the AERO WARRIOR REUNION at Talladega.
MJ
John,
Awesome stuff !!! Just like Geno's thread for my Daytona, your Superbird thread will help me out tremendously during my 'Bird's resurrection...
T
Quote from: hemi68charger on July 17, 2015, 03:58:43 PM
John,
Awesome stuff !!! Just like Geno's thread for my Daytona, your Superbird thread will help me out tremendously during my 'Bird's resurrection...
T
X2!!
John, see you in Michigan !!
SUPERBIRD 727 AUTOMATIC TRANSMISSION!
In this batch of pictures I will show you some restoration work on the Superbird 727 transmission.
The transmission was rebuilt by my friend and racing partner Keith Long the "727 SPECIALIST".
The first picture shows a nice original rtansmission inspection cover also with some nice spangle not found on repros!
The second picture shows the original transmission pan that we are going to use.
I went over to Keiths and he let me sort through a stack of these about three foot high!
I picked out the best 3 and took them with me to Troy's shop.
The last two pictures show the pan Troy selected and now restored! WOW!
MJ
AUTOMATIC TRANSMISSION PART 2!
This batch of pictures shows the original kickdown linkage and all the clips before restoration.
A bunch of small parts to make this look correct!
MJ
AUTOMATIC TRANSMISSION PART 3!
In this batch of pictures I cover the linkage pivot that goes through the floor and the speedometer gear housing clip and bolt.
The first picture shows the original through the floor linkage pivot.
The second picture shows the speedometer gear housing clip and bolt before restoration.
The last picture shows these same parts restored!
MJ
AUTOMATIC TRANSMISSION PART 4!
In this batch of pictures we move on to the transmission case.
The first two pictures show what the case looked like before restoration.
Keith cleaned it up when he rebuilt it and it didn't look that bad to start.
The last two pictures show the transmission case after restoration!
Looks even better now!
MJ
AUTOMATIC TRANSMISSION PART 5!
You can't have a nice transmission and not have the correct bolts to mount it to the engine.
In this batch of pictures I show the correct transmission mounting bolts before and after restoration.
The first picture is an overall before restoration.
The second picture shows the correct head markings before restoration.
The last two pictures show the same views after restoration!
The transmission is now ready for the engine assembly!
MJ
AUTOMATIC TRANSMISSION FINAL!
A few more NOS pieces for the transmission!
The first picture is of an NOS neutral safety switch for the transmission part number 2932820.
The second picture is of an NOS transmission fluid dipstick part number 2466302.
The third picture shows the neutral safety switch installed.
The last picture is of some transmission details assembled and ready for the engine! ENJOY!
MJ
FRONT SUSPENSION!
I can't believe how long it took me to get this segment together!
There are a bunch of parts involved in this assembly. Earlier I posted on the bare K member.
Now it's time for the upper and lower control arms, ball joints, tie rod assembly, brakes, shocks and gearbox.
This first batch of pictures starts out with the lower control arm pivots.
The first picture is of the unrestored lower control arm pivots with the old inner sleeves removed.
The second picture is of the lower control arm pivots cleaned up.
The last picture is of the lower control arm pivots restored and the NOS bushings part number 1858024 installed.
The correct bushings have the part number molded into the end of the rubber.
MJ
:2thumbs:
My cup of tea !! Front suspension............
Quote from: hemi68charger on August 31, 2015, 10:06:57 AM
:2thumbs:
My cup of tea !! Front suspension............
Troy,
Lots more to come in this segment!
MJ
FRONT SUSPENSION PART 2!
In this batch we continue on with the lower control arms!
The first picture shows the lower control arms prepped already and the pivot assemblies pressed in.
The second picture shows the lower control arms prepped for the special coating.
The last picture in this batch shows the lower control arms now coated looking factory fresh!
MJ
FRONT SUSPENSION PART 3!
In this batch of pictures I show the lower control arm assemblies ready to go!
The torsion bar adjusters and the NOS lower bump stops part number 2535027 are installed.
A lot of time and work for these important and highly visable parts!
MJ
FRONT SUSPENSION PART 4!
In this batch of pictures I show the prep work on the NOS lower ball joints.
They had some flash rust from all these years of storage.
The first picture is of the left side lower ball joint prepped for bead blasting.
The second picture is the same view of the right side.
The last picture in this batch shows the right side now blasted.
The next step would be to coat and attach to the lower control arms.
MJ
John, are you going to put the paint markings on the adjustment anchors? Not sure if '70 had them, but I know in '68, there was a blue paint daub on the driver's side and orange on the passenger side..
Quote from: hemi68charger on August 31, 2015, 10:47:54 AM
John, are you going to put the paint markings on the adjustment anchors? Not sure if '70 had them, but I know in '68, there was a blue paint daub on the driver's side and orange on the passenger side..
Troy,
All the paint markings were done later after assembly.
Thanks!
Quote from: Mopar John on August 31, 2015, 11:14:56 AM
Quote from: hemi68charger on August 31, 2015, 10:47:54 AM
John, are you going to put the paint markings on the adjustment anchors? Not sure if '70 had them, but I know in '68, there was a blue paint daub on the driver's side and orange on the passenger side..
Troy,
All the paint markings were done later after assembly.
Thanks!
I thought the markings on the lower control arms were to give the assembly line worker an indication which side it went to during the assembly, no? If not, and you know why, can you elaborate? Thanks.. :2thumbs:
FRONT SUSPENSION PART 5!
Here I show some items related to the tie rod assembly.
The first picture is a pair of NOS blue paint daub tie rod ends part number 3420154/5.
Notice that this is the original type with the grease fittings.
The second picture is a set of NOS tie rod seals part number 2835896.
The third picture is of the idler arm before prep.
The last picture in this batch is of the idler arm bead blasting.
MJ
Quote from: hemi68charger on August 31, 2015, 11:17:09 AM
Quote from: Mopar John on August 31, 2015, 11:14:56 AM
Quote from: hemi68charger on August 31, 2015, 10:47:54 AM
John, are you going to put the paint markings on the adjustment anchors? Not sure if '70 had them, but I know in '68, there was a blue paint daub on the driver's side and orange on the passenger side..
Troy,
All the paint markings were done later after assembly.
Thanks!
I thought the markings on the lower control arms were to give the assembly line worker an indication which side it went to during the assembly, no? If not, and you know why, can you elaborate? Thanks.. :2thumbs:
Troy,
My comment about the paint markings after assembly was at the restoration shop not the factory.
You are right in that a lot of the paint markings were for identification on the assembly lines.
MJ
FRONT SUSPENSION PART 6!
In this batch of pictures I will share items related to the upper control arms.
The first picture is of the upper control arms before restoration with the wrong poly bushings installed a few years earlier.
The second picture shows one of the NOS upper ball joints part number 2298534.
The third picture shows a restored upper control arm with the ball joint installed.
The two NOS upper control arm bushings part number 2071204 are shown and ready to be installed.
The last picture shows my leftover NOS upper control arm cam package part number 2084920.
I had to buy NOS parts all over and whenever I could find them!
Finding complete sets of correct NOS is almost impossible now days! ENJOY!
MJ
Quote from: Mopar John on August 31, 2015, 11:34:01 AM
.... My comment about the paint markings after assembly was at the restoration shop not the factory.
...
MJ
Ahhhhhhhhhhhh, ok....... :icon_smile_big:
FRONT SUSPENSION PART 7!
Next up are the front disc brake dust shields.
The first two pictures show the original shields blasted and ready for primer.
These are usually bent up and hard to find in decent shape.
The last picture shows the dust shields now in primer.
MJ
FRONT SUSPENSION PART 8!
Here we move on to the original front disc brake rotors.
The first picture shows one of the rotors before on the outside.
The second picture is of the same rotor on the inside.
The third picture shows the same rotor after restoration on the outside.
The last picture is of the rotor after restoration on the inside.
What a big difference they made on these parts!
MJ
FRONT SUSPENSION PART 9!
Here are a couple of items that will be added near the end of the assembly process.
The first picture is of the power steering gearbox cleaned up.
The second picture is of the power steering gearbox painted and ready to install.
The third picture is of an original 1969 Oriflow front shock bead blasted.
The last picture shows both shocks with some glazing putty for surface pitting after all these years!
MJ
FRONT SUSPENSION FINAL!!!!
We'll here is where it all comes together!
The first picture is of the front suspension assembled rear view.
The second picture is of the front suspension assembled front view. WOW!
Another milestone in the restoration process!
Next up will be the detailing of the engine assembly!
MJ
Thanks John !!! I undoubtedly will be reviewing this thread over and over again during the restoration of my Superbird..... :2thumbs:
PS: you have another picture of the tierod ends in which you mentioned the grease fitting zerts? I can barely make them out and was curious on their structure/design..
Quote from: hemi68charger on September 01, 2015, 07:03:00 AM
Thanks John !!! I undoubtedly will be reviewing this thread over and over again during the restoration of my Superbird..... :2thumbs:
PS: you have another picture of the tierod ends in which you mentioned the grease fitting zerts? I can barely make them out and was curious on their structure/design..
Troy,
It's funny that you mention the grease fittings!
Recently I made a trade for a set of original grease fittings for this restoration.
They are very hard to find and I used all I had on our Daytona.
The picture above with the NOS upper ball joint shows an unbroken grease fitting the best.
They were like a normal fitting but looked like someone took a hacksaw to them and put a groove all the way around.
The tale that I've been told is that after the new car was serviced the ends were to be broken off.
I have heard several reasons for this like the owner would have to pay the dealer to grease the car?
I have attached a picture of a tierod end with an original fitting that has been broken off.
From that you can tell where the break off spot would be in an original fitting.
I hope this helps?
MJ
:coolgleamA: :popcrn:
Quote from: Mopar John on September 05, 2015, 03:24:16 PM
I hope this helps?
MJ
Sure thing.. I appreciate it.... Will look to see if mine are still there. Don't think the front suspension has ever been rebuilt. But, that's not to say the fittings weren't replaced for normal maintenance...
ENGINE ASSEMBLY!
With the front suspension complete and the transmission restored the only item left to assemble it all was the engine.
This first batch of pictures show some of the items that were used on the engine.
The first picture is a set of 8 NOS Champion J11Y sparkplugs with Mopar part number 2642913 on them!
The second picture is of the original starter being freshened up as it was rebuilt a few years before.
Notice the 47th week 1969 date code on the barrel.
The last picture is of the NOS oil dip stick tube part number 3462419.
MJ
ENGINE ASSEMBLY PART 2!
In this batch of pictures you will see the engine assembly as it was just before paint.
You will notice more NOS parts such as the water pump, negative battery cable and valve cover grommets!
I show a front view then rear view and finally from the passengers side! WOW!
MJ
ENGINE ASSEMBLY PART 3!
This batch of pictures is made up of only two!
It shows the now painted engine assembly from the passengers side and drivers side.
This paint is a special formula that Troy has developed over the years to mimic the factory color!
MJ
ENGINE ASSEMBLY PART 4!
Here are a few pictures of items to be added to the engine after paint.
The first picture is of prep work on the original oil breather.
The second and third pictures are of the NOS vapor separator part number 2525254.
MJ
ENGINE ASSEMBLY FINAL!
Now here is another milestone in the Superbird restoration!
This single picture shows the engine bolted to the transmission and that unit bolted to the front suspension!
The next step is to raise it up into the body and attach it!
MJ
DUAL POINT DISTRIBUTOR!
For years I tried to get the Superbird to run with this distributor.
I usually had a single point in there since it ran better.
Troy and the guys found several internal problems with the dual point.
They also have a Sun machine for distributors at the shop now!
This batch of pictures show different views of the distributor before disassembly.
MJ
DISTRIBUTOR PART 2!
This batch of pictures show the start of restoration of the distributor.
The first picture shows the distributor disassembled and all the parts laid out.
The second picture shows the outside of the housing bead blasted.
The third picture shows the inside of the housing blasted.
The last picture shows the housing ready with the bushings to be installed.
I couldn't find an NOS vacuum advance unit but we found a shop that replates them!
More on that later as this is all I have for now on the distributor.
MJ
NOSE CONE Z BRACKETS!
While the mechanic was working on the engine assembly the fabricator was working on the nose internals.
This batch of pictures shows the work being done to the original Z brackets.
The first two pictures show some pin holes welded up and the last two show them ground and ready for filler.
MJ
NOSE CONE Z BRACKETS PART 2!
The first picture shows one of the Z brackets with some filler where the welding and grinding has taken place.
The second picture shows all the filler work done and sanded with the Z brackets hanging and ready for primer!
The last two pictures show some headlight bucket pre assembly taking place.
MJ
FENDER SCOOP STUD REPAIRS!
I don't know how many of you have tried to remove the fender scoops after they have been on the car for a while?
The task is usually a big problem because the rusty threads usually cause the stud to twist apart the scoop mounts !@#$^)#$%^&*(@#$%^&!!!!
So this batch of pictures show the repairs of the fender scoop studs for the Superbird.
The first picture shows a picture of the new scoop studs.
The second picture shows one of the scoops with the mounts cracked and split open.
The last two pictures shows the scoops with the studs now repaired!
This concludes the May 2014 invoice that had over 600 pictures with it!
The project was moving along at a high rate of speed at this point! ENJOY!
MJ
Nice John !!! :2thumbs:
As usual, top-notch stuff.......
AUGUST 2014 INVOICE!!
After working my way through the May 2014 invoice of over 600 pictures I thought things might get easier?
We'll I have just made my first pass through the August 2014 invoice and there are 550 pictures!
The problem is that things are coming together and they are all over the Superbird!
I will start with some odds and ends that relate to things recently shown.
My first batch of pictures are of the NOS transmission yoke seal part number 2400300.
The first three pictures are of different views before installation and the last one shows it installed.
MJ
NOSE CONE Z BRACKETS PART 3!
In this new disc of pictures I found more restoration work on the nose Z brackets.
The first picture is of the Z brackets still hanging and fresh from paint!
The last two pictures are close ups of each Z bracket.
I can't wait to see them inside the nose cone!
MJ
FENDER SCOOPS PART 2!
With the mounting studs repaired it was time to move on with the fender scoops!
The first two pictures show the fender scoops basically sanded bare and ready for primer.
The last two pictures show the fender scoops now in primer on the inside.
MJ
FENDER SCOOPS PART 3!
Here are the last two pictures of the fender scoops for now.
The pictures show the outside view after primer.
MJ
FRONT SIDEMARKERS!
With the body painted is was time to start adding nice little pieces here and there!
The first two pictures show some of the parts that had been sent out for plating.
There are many different processes and types to make this correct as you see in the pictures.
A big point of discussion on the Superbird was the front sidemarker retainers!
As you see in the pictures the drivers side retainer has a gold finish and
the passengers side has a silver finish? Both original and photo documented!
In addition neither retainer has "FRONT" stamped into them?
Maybe because the Superbird has different style retainers out back?
Does anyone else have different color retainers and or no "FRONT" stamped in them??
The last two pictures show the NOS sidemarker assemblies that I was able
to buy from AERO426 for the restoration.
The part numbers are 3403774 and 3403775.
MJ
FRONT SIDEMARKERS PART 2!
There are only two pictures in this batch.
They show the sidemarkers installed on the Superbird!
Another step toward completion!
MJ
PLATED HARDWARE!
In my last topic I showed some of the plated parts.
We'll here I show more of them.
This makes a big difference in appearance of the restoration.
The first picture is another table full of freshly plated parts.
The second and third pictures show transmission linkage parts now installed.
The last picture is of the restored shift pivot bracket and bushing installed.
MJ
PLATED HARDWARE PART 2!
The first picture shows some of the plated kickdown linkage parts installed.
The second picture shows the transmission cooling line bracket and
The restored original starter now installed.
The third picture shows the correct bolts for the transmission tailshaft.
The last picture is of the NOS transmission dipstick tube with the correct headed bolt.
MJ
DOOR INTERIOR ASSEMBLY!
In the previous installments you saw all the plated parts laid out on the tables.
Included was the door latches and hardware.
So it was time to finish up the doors!
The first picture shows a pair of NOS door lock knobs and reproduction escutcheons.
I bought a pair of NOS escutcheons but they were the wrong ones so we had to use repros!@#$%^())!
The second and third pictures are of the original door panels.
We had several sets to pick out the best and cleaned them up!
The last picture is of the caulk and plastic covering with the polished stainless trim installed.
MJ
DOOR INTERIOR ASSEMBLY PART 2!
Here it all comes together!
The first picture is of a pair of NOS door interior handles Mopar part numbers 2935214 and 2935215.
The second picture shows the original arm rest bases replated!
The last two pictures show the drivers and passengers doors completed!
MJ
TRANSMISSION CROSS MEMBER AND REAR END FRAME BUMPERS!
Here we get closer to installing the drivetrain!
The first picture is of the automatic transmission crossmember restored.
The second picture is of the original upper control arm hardware.
The third picture shows the rear end frame bumpers before restoration.
The last picture shows the rear end frame bumpers after restoration!
MJ
UNDERCOATING!
The Superbird was not an undercoat option car but it did have some in all the wheel openings!
The first picture is of the passengers side rear wheel house undercoated with the rear end bumper installed.
The second picture is of the drivers side rear wheel house undercoated with the rear end bumper installed.
The third picture is of the drivers fender undercoating.
The last picture is of the passengers fender undercoating.
Troy and the guys tried to mimic the factory overspray when applying the undercoating!
MJ
FINAL PICTURES FOR TODAY!
This batch is of a few items added to the body as they were restored or arrived at the shop.
The first picture is of the rear package shelf and trunk divider installed.
The second picture is of the original 48th week 1969 voltage regulator restored by Dave Patik installed.
The last picture is of the original coil cleaned up and ready to install on the engine.
I will try to post more pictures of the restoration leading up to the reunion in Talladega
where those of you that go can check out the Superbird completed!
MJ
BATTERY TRAY!
With the body painted another item that needed restoration and paint was the battery tray.
The first picture shows the battery tray bead blasted with some glazing putty sanded and
ready for primer.
The second picture shows the battery tray primered from the top view.
The third picture is of the battery tray primered from the bottom view.
The last picture is of the battery tray brace primered.
These items will be painted body color in the near future and installed after the engine assembly.
MJ
The splatter pattern on the fuel tank looks off to me. Minus 3 points. ;)
Quote from: Mytur Binsdirti on October 20, 2015, 03:40:03 PM
The splatter pattern on the fuel tank looks off to me. Minus 3 points. ;)
I think 3 points is harsh for fuel tank splatter!
The judges at the MCACN show took off 1 point for the undercoating being too nice!
MJ
BRAKE BOOSTER & MASTERCYLINDER!
In this batch of photos you will see the restoration work on the brake booster and master cylinder.
The first two pictures are of the brake booster already blasted on the front side.
The third picture shows the booster blasted from the back side.
The last picture shows the booster sanded after blasting and cleaned up.
MJ
BRAKE BOOSTER & MASTER CYLINDER PART 2!
In this batch of pictures we continue on with the brake booster and master cylinder restoration!
The first picture shows the original master cylinder blasted and ready for primer.
The second and third pictures are of the brake pedal linkage before restoration.
The last picture is of the master cylinder now in primer.
MJ
BRAKE BOOSTER & MASTER CYLINDER FINAL!
This is the last of the pictures I have from this invoice on the brake booster and master cylinder.
The first picture shows the brake booster now primered.
The second picture shows the brake pedal linkage disassembled and blasted.
The third picture shows the brake booster primered in epoxy.
The last picture shows the brake booster and master cylinder assembled and ready for paint!
MJ
FRONT SUSPENSION PART 1!
I have been putting this section off because there are so many pictures!
The first picture shows the unrestored K member bolts.
The second picture shows the unrestored sway bar mounts.
the third picture shows both of the above items now bead blasted.
The last picture is of the sway bar prepped and ready for paint!
MJ
FRONT SUSPENSION PART 2!
Here we show the engine/transmission and suspension ready to be installed!
The first picture shows the original sway bar bushings one is nice the other is a little distorted.
The second and third pictures show the engine/transmission and suspension ready for installation! WOW!
Notice the assembly is now on a taller stand so they can let the body down over it and bolt it in.
MJ
FRONT SUSPENSION PART 3!
Here I show some items close up and all the detail added to the suspension.
The first picture shows the passengers side motor mount assembly with NOS insulator part number 2536121.
These were found new in the box in the trunk of a car and sold to me by a friend on this site!
The second picture shows the passengers side suspension close up.
The third picture shows the passengers side lower control arm with NOS bump stop part number 2535027.
The last picture in this batch shows the passengers side lower ball joint and hardware.
MJ
FRONT SUSPENSION PART 4!
Here we continue on with the drivers side suspension close ups!
The first picture is of the drivers side lower ball joint and hardware.
the second picture is of the drivers side motor mount assembly.
The third picture is of the engine/transmission and suspension close up on the drivers side.
The last picture is of the engine/transmission and suspension close up from the front.
MJ
FRONT SUSPENSION PART 5!
Here is the moment that I've been waiting for!
The lowering of the body onto the engine/transmission and front suspension!
The first two pictures shows the body being lowered.
The last two pictures show the drivers side disc brake shield and spindle restored
and ready for the disc brake rotor assembly.
MJ
FRONT SUSPENSION PART 6!
Here we show some more details and a bottom view of the engine and transmission installed!
The first picture shows the drivers side suspension with the restored original front shock.
You can also see the restored upper control arm with NOS upper ball joint part number 2298534
and NOS upper control arm bump stop part number 2535204.
The second picture shows the drivers side end link for the sway bar and suspension.
The last picture is with the Superbird up in the air with the engine and transmission!
Notice the lack of paint on the oil pan as it was done at the factory. ENJOY!
MJ
Oh the Joy !!!!!! :2thumbs:
Thanks Troy!
Here's more!
The first picture shows the drivers disc brake rotor now installed.
The second picture is of the passengers side rotor.
The last picture is another bottom side view of the transmission and suspension.
MJ
FRONT SUSPENSION PART 7!
Here they do some final work on the front suspension.
The first two pictures show the restored torsion bars installed looking at the rear mounts.
The last two pictures show the completed front suspension close ups.
MJ
FRONT BRAKE DETAILS!
In this batch of pictures we start with the front brake details.
The first picture shows the NOS disc brake pads part number 3744450
and the NOS brake pad springs part number 3461891.
The second picture shows the NOS date coded front brake hoses part number 2925163.
The third and fourth pictures show the front brake hose installed!
MJ
FRONT BRAKE DETAILS PART 2!
The first picture in this batch shows the passengers caliper installed.
You can also see the NOS caliper positioners part numbers 2944723 and 2944724.
The second picture is the same view of the drivers side caliper.
The third and fourth pictures show the passengers side brake hose installed.
MJ
SOME ENGINE DETAILS!
The first picture shows the 44th week 1969 alternator restored by Jim Ridge down at Dixie Restorations.
Jim dug into his private stash and added some nice detail NOS parts to this alternator.
The second picture shows the fuel lines and NOS vapor separator part number 2525254 installed.
The fuel pump in the picture is a place holder as I had the original sent out for a modern fuel diaphragm.
The last picture is of the NOS oil sending unit part number 2495222.
MJ
SIX PACK AIRCLEANER!
This batch of pictures show the start of restoration on the SIX PACK air cleaner.
The first picture is a before of the air cleaner lid.
The second picture shows it blasted and ready for prep.
The third picture is a before of the air cleaner base.
The last picture shows the base blasted and ready for prep.
This is the last batch of pictures for today so stay tuned for more!
MJ
Quote from: Mopar John on November 05, 2015, 03:19:59 PM
The fuel pump in the picture is a place holder as I had the original sent out for a modern fuel diaphragm.
Any more thoughts on the fuel pump "restoration" than what we've talked about in the past?
:scratchchin:
Car looked very, very nice, John!
Just one thought on that fuel vapor canister. Looks good but did anyone check the return line orifice? I seem to recall that some canisters came without the orifice and so almost all the fuel the pump puts out returns to the tank. Shouldn't be hard to check, just disconnect the return line and see how much flow you get compared to the pump capacity or maybe just look inside and see if you can see the orifice (probably easier.) :shruggy:
Quote from: hemigeno on November 05, 2015, 03:52:15 PM
Quote from: Mopar John on November 05, 2015, 03:19:59 PM
The fuel pump in the picture is a place holder as I had the original sent out for a modern fuel diaphragm.
Any more thoughts on the fuel pump "restoration" than what we've talked about in the past?
:scratchchin:
Car looked very, very nice, John!
Gene,
I have the recrimped bottle cap looking original with the modern fuel diaphragm on the Superbird.
As long as I don't look at it real close it doesn't bother me!
I havn't seen anyone doing better on this to date?
Thanks on the Superbird!
John
Quote from: green69rt on November 05, 2015, 04:32:40 PM
Just one thought on that fuel vapor canister. Looks good but did anyone check the return line orifice? I seem to recall that some canisters came without the orifice and so almost all the fuel the pump puts out returns to the tank. Shouldn't be hard to check, just disconnect the return line and see how much flow you get compared to the pump capacity or maybe just look inside and see if you can see the orifice (probably easier.) :shruggy:
green69rt,
I had the problem with the NOS vapor separator on our Daytona!
We were really embarrassed at our first outing with the car.
Once I restricted the return it pumped fuel to the carb rather than the tank.
So far no problems with this one.
Thanks for the tip!
John
When I first started my motor in the car this past spring with a few prime squirts, I could hear the fuel dribbling in the tank between fire ups. Was puzzling for just a second, ...then put a .060" restriction in the return hose.
Edit: Was nice talking to ya at Dega in the staging lanes about the front bumper strip check mark nicks.
Looks good John.
My Bird has the striped KV hose from the frame rail to the pump.....just saying for interest sakes.
Nice find on the Oil pressure sending unit....I used to have a few with good dates......now they are tough to find.
Do you remember the date on yours? Also - the 440-6 got an extension harness that hooks to the sending unit. It is a voltage limiting wire that makes the oil pressure gauge read correctly....all original cars have them. If you don't - Frank B. has them. :2thumbs:
Quote from: thehemikid on November 06, 2015, 10:22:59 AM
When I first started my motor in the car this past spring with a few prime squirts, I could hear the fuel dribbling in the tank between fire ups. Was puzzling for just a second, ...then put a .060" restriction in the return hose.
Edit: Was nice talking to ya at Dega in the staging lanes about the front bumper strip check mark nicks.
SAME HERE!
Quote from: maxwellwedge on November 06, 2015, 11:26:59 AM
Looks good John.
My Bird has the striped KV hose from the frame rail to the pump.....just saying for interest sakes.
Nice find on the Oil pressure sending unit....I used to have a few with good dates......now they are tough to find.
Do you remember the date on yours? Also - the 440-6 got an extension harness that hooks to the sending unit. It is a voltage limiting wire that makes the oil pressure gauge read correctly....all original cars have them. If you don't - Frank B. has them. :2thumbs:
Quote from: maxwellwedge on November 06, 2015, 11:26:59 AM
Looks good John.
My Bird has the striped KV hose from the frame rail to the pump.....just saying for interest sakes.
Nice find on the Oil pressure sending unit....I used to have a few with good dates......now they are tough to find.
Do you remember the date on yours? Also - the 440-6 got an extension harness that hooks to the sending unit. It is a voltage limiting wire that makes the oil pressure gauge read correctly....all original cars have them. If you don't - Frank B. has them. :2thumbs:
THANKS JIM!
Always nice to find out how to correct some of the small details from original cars!
I will check the date on the sender and thanks for the tip on the harness for it.
MJ
STARTER SPLASH SHIELD!
With the engine, transmission and suspension now part of the Superbird it was time to add the other pieces.
In this batch of pictures I will show the drivers side frame rail starter splash shield.
The original on the Superbird was decent and I also sent down my best spare just in case?
The first picture is a close up of the starter splash shield already prepped and painted.
The second picture is of the new staples close up.
the third picture is of the new tie rod seal close up.
The last picture is of all the parts assembled and ready to attach to the frame rail!
MJ
Nice John...
Is the seal part of a reproduction kit or is that some ultra-rare NOS seal with staples?
Quote from: hemi68charger on November 12, 2015, 07:47:32 AM
Nice John...
Is the seal part of a reproduction kit or is that some ultra-rare NOS seal with staples?
Troy,
The seal and staples are reproductions.
I had the original shield on the Superbird which is rare since most were removed.
I also sent down the best of my spares as far as surface rust and pitting went.
But none of the ones I had have a great looking rubber tie rod seal so we went with the reproduction for now.
The dealer parts book does not show that replacements were available individually for the seal nor the staples.
MJ
Looks awesome John. :cheers:
Make sure you paint the dipstick handle. They were closer to the color of the air cleaner lid than the engine color. They were probably dipped.
Quote from: maxwellwedge on November 13, 2015, 11:48:07 AM
Looks awesome John. :cheers:
Make sure you paint the dipstick handle. They were closer to the color of the air cleaner lid than the engine color. They were probably dipped.
THANKS Jim!
Speaking of the air cleaner, What color is the base supposed to be on a Six Pack?
There are a lot of black parts on the Superbirds!
Just in the engine compartment is the air cleaner base, engine pulleys, fan, radiator, brake booster, front shocks and more!
Does anyone have the factory assembly instructions on the Superbird or Road Runner showing component paint info?
MJ
LEAF SPRINGS!
With the front suspension in place it was time to get the back end of the Superbird suspension restored.
This would include the rear end, rear brakes and leaf springs.
In this installment I will cover the leaf springs.
The first picture shows the springs taken apart and prepped for paint.
The second picture is of the main leafs also ready for paint.
The third picture shows a close up of one of the restored spring assemblies.
The last picture shows an overall of one of the assemblies.
MJ
Did you have to get the old springs re-arched?? Just wondering how those old springs hold up.
Quote from: maxwellwedge on November 13, 2015, 11:48:07 AM
Looks awesome John. :cheers:
Make sure you paint the dipstick handle. They were closer to the color of the air cleaner lid than the engine color. They were probably dipped.
Jim,
I added the dipstick handle to my list.
Then I went out to the shop and raised the hood and took it back off my list! :icon_smile_big:
Troy Angelly must have taken care of it later.
MJ
Quote from: green69rt on November 13, 2015, 04:11:08 PM
Did you have to get the old springs re-arched?? Just wondering how those old springs hold up.
No, we didn't have to have the leafs re-arched.
We took a look at how the Superbird sat prior to restoration and felt good about the stance of the car.
MJ
Quote from: Mopar John on November 13, 2015, 06:28:10 PM
Quote from: maxwellwedge on November 13, 2015, 11:48:07 AM
Looks awesome John. :cheers:
Make sure you paint the dipstick handle. They were closer to the color of the air cleaner lid than the engine color. They were probably dipped.
Jim,
I added the dipstick handle to my list.
Then I went out to the shop and raised the hood and took it back off my list! :icon_smile_big:
Troy Angelly must have taken care of it later.
MJ
The whole exposed part gets dipped and not in engine color. Looks closer to the air cleaner lid color.....a part that Fram supplied Chrysler. Frank/Roger have that paint nailed.
I have a chart somewhere on different black shades.....I'll look for it.
Quote from: maxwellwedge on November 16, 2015, 11:55:28 AM
Quote from: Mopar John on November 13, 2015, 06:28:10 PM
Quote from: maxwellwedge on November 13, 2015, 11:48:07 AM
Looks awesome John. :cheers:
Make sure you paint the dipstick handle. They were closer to the color of the air cleaner lid than the engine color. They were probably dipped.
Jim,
I added the dipstick handle to my list.
Then I went out to the shop and raised the hood and took it back off my list! :icon_smile_big:
Troy Angelly must have taken care of it later.
MJ
The whole exposed part gets dipped and not in engine color. Looks closer to the air cleaner lid color.....a part that Fram supplied Chrysler. Frank/Roger have that paint nailed.
I have a chart somewhere on different black shades.....I'll look for it.
Thanks Jim!
REAR END ASSEMBLY PART 1!
With the leaf springs ready it was time to get the rear end assembly restored and installed.
This batch of pictures show the 8 3/4 housing painted and ready for assembly!
MJ
REAR END ASSEMBLY PART 2!
We continue on here with the backing plates.
I found a nice set and the first two pictures show them cleaned up.
The last two pictures show them restored with the restored wheel cylinders attached.
MJ
REAR END ASSEMBLY PART 3!
The first picture is of the NOS 11 X 2 1/2 brake shoes Mopar part number 3420149.
The second and third pictures show the backing plates with the brakes installed.
If you look close you will see the NOS emergency brake cables attached Mopar part numbers 2808590 and 2808594.
The last picture is of a housing end with the new axle seal installed.
MJ
REAR END ASSEMBLY PART 4!
This batch of three pictures show the rear end now assembled and installed in the Superbird!
The pictures are focused on the newly restored center section.
MJ
REAR END ASSEMBLY FINAL!
The first two pictures show the restored axles with backing plates and brake assemblies installed.
The last two pictures show the rear drums restored and painted red for the Ralley wheels. ENJOY!
MJ
P.S. The brakes all had to be redone as I later found out that the Superbirds which had front
disc brakes came with 10 X 2 1/2 rear brakes and not 11 X 2 1/2 rear brakes! :brickwall:
In other words your F-tag has 083 instead of 082 for the rear end option.?
How common/uncommon is a front drum Bird?
Did you add the inspection paint markings to the bottom of the center section?
Quote from: Mopar John on November 20, 2015, 03:46:47 PM
REAR END ASSEMBLY FINAL!
The first two pictures show the restored axles with backing plates and brake assemblies installed.
The last two pictures show the rear drums restored and painted red for the Ralley wheels. ENJOY!
MJ
P.S. The brakes all had to be redone as I later found out that the Superbirds which had front
disc brakes came with 10 X 2 1/2 rear brakes and not 11 X 2 1/2 rear brakes! :brickwall:
I'm pretty sure my old 69 came with 10" rear drums so this make sense The 11.5" came on the front. All of them required constant adjustment in spite of the self adjusters.
'70 Superbird broadcast sheet brake code 041 with power brakes had 10" rear drums and front discs (it's not on the fender tag). Back in '69 drums all around with power brakes had 11" rears, at least on my 'Bee.
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I had to look thru the FSM to refresh my memory. It lists only Coronet body style with V8 or H.D. as 10" and "Police Special & Heavy Duty" as 11". Then it goes on to give the brake shoe width for standard as 2 1/2" front and back. Police Special and Heavy Duty as 3 1/2" front and 2 1/2" rear. Doesn't mention any difference between manual and power brakes. Doesn't say anything about disc/drum combo's so I would guess that thehemikid chart is what you have to go with.
Okay, that code. 052 on the tag for my car with 3.55 gears. Not sure what John's is, but we're clouding up his nice resto thread.
I thought it appropriate to ask/discuss while at this point of brakes in Johns restoration of his Bird, of a little deeper info of "why" the change from 11 to 10 was correct based on for eg a code. Not only for myself to know but for whoever else may be following this thread for eg Troy who said he will be while rebuilding his Bird. Another eg, if John would've known ahead of time he might not have bought the 11' s stuff, and would save someone else the error/$$ in advance too.
The timing of the brakes in John's thread coinciding with a friend calling asking about info of a bird for sale having the 082 option on the F-tag sparking my interest, research, & eventual question to this thread. Just nice to know why and if of relative info in one spot, ...with out to much cloud. :icon_smile_blackeye:
Quote from: Mopar John on November 20, 2015, 03:46:47 PM
....The brakes all had to be redone as I later found out that the Superbirds which had front
disc brakes came with 10 X 2 1/2 rear brakes and not 11 X 2 1/2 rear brakes! :brickwall:
Yeap.. A common,misunderstood thing on mopar brakes.. I think the only cars that came with 11" rears with front disc brakes in '70 were the AAR-T/A's..
Quote from: thehemikid on November 21, 2015, 12:18:55 AM
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I have the "052" on my fender tag which is 3:55 Sure Grip wth 8 3/4 rear end, disc brakes up front and 10" drums out back.
The Superbird has been switched over to this later in the restoration!
Sorry for the delay in my reply, we were at the MCACN show with our 70 GTX race car and 1969 Schwinn Slik Chik bike.
Great to see all the site members there!
MJ
Quote from: Hemi Runner on November 20, 2015, 07:26:18 PM
Did you add the inspection paint markings to the bottom of the center section?
YES!
You will see those in a future update!
MJ
Quote from: birdsandbees on November 21, 2015, 10:58:56 AM
Okay, that code. 052 on the tag for my car with 3.55 gears. Not sure what John's is, but we're clouding up his nice resto thread.
I have just posted that mine is a 052 also!
Your not clouding up my thread just adding confirmation that I needed to switch to the 10 X 2 1/2 rear drums.
Thanks! MJ
Quote from: hemi68charger on November 23, 2015, 02:29:12 PM
Quote from: Mopar John on November 20, 2015, 03:46:47 PM
....The brakes all had to be redone as I later found out that the Superbirds which had front
disc brakes came with 10 X 2 1/2 rear brakes and not 11 X 2 1/2 rear brakes! :brickwall:
Yeap.. A common,misunderstood thing on mopar brakes.. I think the only cars that came with 11" rears with front disc brakes in '70 were the AAR-T/A's..
And there was an option in 71 (I believe) that was front disc's and 11" rears....saw it on a 71 'Cuda we were judging at MCACN last year. I was looking at it scratching my head....looked at the code on the broadcast sheet and sure enough - it was correct.
DRIVESHAFT PART 1!
With the engine and trans already in the Superbird and now the rear end assembly
it was time to connect the two with the driveshaft!
Years ago when I bought the NOS driveshaft for our B5 Daytona project I was very
lucky to get a second NOS driveshaft for the Superbird!
I have to thank Jeff Terhune 69RTSE4SPD on this site for letting go of these impossible to find items!
The only picture on this reply is of the NOS driveshaft assembly after it was treated
to remove the surface rust from over 40 years of storage! WOW!
MJ
DRIVESHAFT PART 2!
In this batch of pictures I share the front and rear U-joints!
The First picture is a close up of the rear U-joint. You can see the manufacturers name "DETROIT" cast into the joint!
The second picture is a close up of the rear yoke and again you can see "DETROIT" cast into it also!
The last two pictures are the same views of the front U-joint and yoke.
MJ
DRIVESHAFT PART 3!
In this batch of pictures I show the NOS driveshaft disassembled for restoration.
The first picture shows the bare driveshaft with the joints removed.
The last two pictures show close up views of the front and rear weights
use to balance the driveshaft.
MJ
DRIVESHAFT FINAL!
In this batch of pictures I share some of the driveshaft restoration work and reassembly!
The first picture is of the transmission end with the U-joint and yoke back together.
The second picture is of the weld at the front end of the driveshaft.
The third picture shows the rear U-joint back on with the factory tie strap and clips.
These parts were used to hold the caps on the joint on the assembly lines!
You can also see the fresh welds for the rear weight in this picture.
The last picture in this batch shows the fresh welds for the front weight.
We will have to wait for pictures from the next invoice to see the restored shaft installed.
Stay tuned!
MJ
Looks good John.
Very nice condition - should be a part number and date code evident and easy to find on metal that is nice like yours.
Original assembly line rear u-joints have a thin strap on them as your pics show - very nice!.....I have never found them with it on NOS ones.....you did well to have them on yours. Very nice to have those Detroit u-joints.....they are getting tougher to find. There should be date codes and an "H" stamped on the u-joint to yoke straps as well.
There are specific color markings on the bottom of the pig for axle ratio etc. The axle housing itself can vary tremendously.
Good seeing you in Chicago! :cheers:
Jim,
Great to see you again also!
Spent some time looking over your Superbird when you were not looking!
Thanks for the comments on the driveshaft!
We do have the proper "H" date coded pinion yoke straps!
Attached is a 4 27 71 or April 27th 1971 date coded "H" strap that Jim speaks of for reference.
Thanks! MJ
Quote from: maxwellwedge on November 24, 2015, 10:11:47 AM
...
And there was an option in 71 (I believe) that was front disc's and 11" rears....saw it on a 71 'Cuda we were judging at MCACN last year. I was looking at it scratching my head....looked at the code on the broadcast sheet and sure enough - it was correct.
Good Intel Jim... :2thumbs:
TAIL LIGHT PANEL LETTERS AND FUEL FILLER TUBE!
In this batch of pictures I share some restoration work on the tail light panel letters
and fuel filler tube.
The first picture is of my best fuel filler tube. These are really hard to find in nice shape!
The second picture shows the fuel filler tube cleaned up with the support bracket, clamp and cap.
The third and fourth pictures show the restoration work being done on my best "PLYMOUTH" letters.
I had several nice sets and some NOS pieces but they didn't all match so we had to touch some up!
MJ
Quote from: Mopar John on December 02, 2015, 12:16:03 PM
TAIL LIGHT PANEL LETTERS AND FUEL FILLER TUBE!
In this batch of pictures I share some restoration work on the tail light panel letters
and fuel filler tube.
The first picture is of my best fuel filler tube. These are really hard to find in nice shape!
The second picture shows the fuel filler tube cleaned up with the support bracket, clamp and cap.
The third and fourth pictures show the restoration work being done on my best "PLYMOUTH" letters.
I had several nice sets and some NOS pieces but they didn't all match so we had to touch some up!
MJ
Nice John !!!
Man, I can't wait to get started on mine.......... You're such a 'Bird-inspiration.......
Quote from: hemi68charger on December 02, 2015, 12:37:55 PM
Man, I can't wait to get started on mine.......... You're such a 'Bird-inspiration.......
Amen Troy! John, this thread is awesome! Will help me out tremendously.
Hi John - Your gas cap should look like this one. I think you told me yours has no writing.....which is the right one. :cheers:
Quote from: maxwellwedge on December 03, 2015, 12:41:46 PM
Hi John - Your gas cap should look like this one. I think you told me yours has no writing.....which is the right one. :cheers:
Jim,
I am glad you came through and commented on the fuel cap!
The one in my post is an NOS one I bought a while back and if anyone is interested in it send me a PM.
Almost ALL the ones being sold now that look like that state they are correct for 1970 B Bodies except Chargers!
I have attached a picture of my incorrect NOS one on the right and my used original on the left.
I agree that the correct cap is the one on the left like you show in your picture!
I have just bought an NOS one like it and will install it as soon as it arrives!
Thanks! MJ
Any time John - I know you have sweated the details and stepped up many times to get the right stuff on your cars.....no small feat. :2thumbs:
So many vendors say correct and all that on the reproduction parts......they should have a good look at a bunch of original cars before saying that. :yesnod:
FUEL CAP FINAL!
About the time I posted about my fuel filler tube and NOS fuel cap Jim ( MAXWELLWEDGE )
had an ad out for Superbird parts wanted.
One of the items he was looking for was an original Superbird fuel cap.
I took a look through my extras and the one in the bag from the restoration shop
didn't look like the NOS one I had on the Superbird?
Then I went over to my original 1970 GTX racecar fuel tank and that cap matched
the one from the restoration shop????
When I contacted Jim about the cap he informed me that he already had one on the way.
He told me that it was plain with no wording and a step shaped rivet stamped with an "S".
That cap was the same as the old cap and racecar cap????????
So I get out my 1970 dealer parts book and look at the fuel system for a part number.
My first attached picture shows that page from the catalog.
It shows the cap as being in section 14-86-35.
So I went to the correct page and the catalog jumped from 14-86-32 to 14-86-38!@#$%^&*()!!
That page is my second attached picture.
Next I went to the internet and started looking for part numbers and maybe a picture
of the correct cap with a part number.
I think the correct number for the correct cap was 2925697?
Next I wanted to find and BUY a correct NOS cap for my Superbird.
I ended up on EBAY and found what I think was the correct NOS cap in the wrong NOS box?
That box with part number 3726476 is my third picture.
The auction stated that it was for 1975 Dodge Polara's and Plymouth Fury's.
There are not very many people restoring those types of cars!
The last picture shows what I feel is a correct original cap next to my NOS cap!
The correct cap is now in place on the Superbird
I hope this helps other's avoid the drama I went through.
MJ
John - Yes - that cap is the correct one - you are all good!
DASH RESTORATION!
With the other interior parts in place it was time for the dash assembly to be restored and installed.
Here I share the restoration of the dash related parts.
The first picture is of the unrestored Rally dash top view.
The other three picture show the dash stripped from different views.
MJ
DASH RESTORATION PART 2!
Here we move along with the dash frame!
The first two pictures show the dash stripped, sanded and hung for paint!
The last two pictures show the dash frame now painted the proper color and ready for assembly!
MJ
DASH RESTORATION PART 3!
Now it was time to start getting some of the parts ready for the dash assembly.
This batch of pictures show the unrestored dash speaker mount in the first two pictures.
The last picture shows the speaker mount ready for the speaker to be attached.
MJ
DASH RESTORATION PART 4!
Here we continue on with the dash speaker and gage cluster!
The first picture shows the dash speaker restored with the mount.
The second picture shows the original speaker from the bottom with date code 118 9!
The third picture shows the restored speaker now installed! NICE!
The last picture shows the restored gage cluster installed!
MJ
DASH RESTORATION PART 5!
This batch of pictures show the original heater controls before they were sent off
to Dave Patik at Performance Car Graphics for restoration.
MJ
DASH RESTORATION PART 6!
Here we see things coming together!
The first picture is of the back view of the glove box lid and latch installed.
the second picture shows the back view of the ash tray assembly installed.
the third picture shows restored dash assembly from the drivers side.
The last picture shows the restored dash assembly from the passengers side. WOW!
MJ
DASH RESTORATION FINAL!
Here are a few shots of some dash related parts.
The first picture is of my best pair of original defroster hoses cleaned up and ready for installation.
The second picture is of restored dash mounting hardware.
The last picture is a set of NOS radio knobs Mopar part numbers 2884767 and 2884769.
MJ
So, where did the dash pads come from?? new, repro, restored??
very nice work
Quote from: green69rt on December 13, 2015, 12:42:27 AM
So, where did the dash pads come from?? new, repro, restored??
The top dash pad is an original just cleaned up!
The gage, radio and glove box bezels are restored originals.
The lower plastic pieces and glove box lid are also originals.
MJ
Quote from: Mopar John on December 13, 2015, 09:24:20 AM
Quote from: green69rt on December 13, 2015, 12:42:27 AM
So, where did the dash pads come from?? new, repro, restored??
...
The lower plastic pieces and glove box lid are also originals.
MJ
John,
know anyone with extra left and center lower plastic pieces?
Troy
Troy,is your car auto or 4 spd ? I "think" I have the original out of my bird (4 spd) somewhere,I changed it years ago and put in another with gauges ,picture attached and probably wll never change it back.
Quote from: hemi68charger on December 13, 2015, 09:28:12 AM
Quote from: Mopar John on December 13, 2015, 09:24:20 AM
Quote from: green69rt on December 13, 2015, 12:42:27 AM
So, where did the dash pads come from?? new, repro, restored??
...
The lower plastic pieces and glove box lid are also originals.
MJ
John,
know anyone with extra left and center lower plastic pieces?
Troy
Troy,
I first checked when I saw your wanted ad and found no extras here.
I hope bill finds his extra for you!
I'll keep you in mind as I search for parts.
John
Quote from: 62 Max on December 13, 2015, 09:47:59 AM
Troy,is your car auto or 4 spd ? I "think" I have the original out of my bird (4 spd) somewhere,I changed it years ago and put in another with gauges ,picture attached and probably wll never change it back.
Bill,
Yes, my car is a 4speed, so it would have the hole for the reverse light, but an auto would work to. I could modify it... But, if you still had the 4speed version and were up to letting it go, that would be cool..
Cheers,
Troy
Quote from: Mopar John on December 13, 2015, 12:14:28 PM
.. I first checked when I saw your wanted ad and found no extras here.
I hope bill finds his extra for you!
I'll keep you in mind as I search for parts.
John
:2thumbs:
SEATS!
With the dash coming together the next item of restoration was the seats!
I had the recovered buckets and original back seat with the Superbird.
I also took the original bucket seats and back seat from the 1970 GTX race car to the shop.
The seats out of the race car had been stored since 1970!
Troy picked the best original back seat and decided to clean up the original bucket seats!
When you have nice originals next to the reproductions you can spot the differences.
This first batch of pictures show the original front bucket seat covers before and after cleaning.
The first picture is the bucket bottom fresh out of storage.
The second picture shows it now cleaned up and ready to be reinstalled!
The third picture shows the bucket back fresh out of storage.
The last picture shows it now cleaned up and ready to be reinstalled!
I was surprised how well they came back to life!
MJ
SEATS PART 2!
Here we get into the seat frames!
The first two pictures are of the seat frames already cleaned up, hung and ready for paint!
The last two pictures show the seat frames painted from different views.
MJ
SEATS PART 3!
In this batch of pictures we move on to the seat tracks!
Many of these are rusted up and missing parts.
Attached are four pictures showing the seat tracks stripped.
MJ
SEATS PART 4!
Here we continue on with the seat tracks.
They cleaned up well and didn't have any major issues.
This batch of pictures show them prepped and hung for paint.
MJ
SEATS PART 5!
In this batch of pictures we conclude the seat tracks and move on to the seat backs.
The first two pictures show a couple of the sea tracks now painted!
The last two pictures are of the original seat backs before restoration.
MJ
SEATS FINAL!
This is the last of the pictures for the seats on the August disc.
The first two pictures show some of the seat latch hardware before restoration.
The third picture shows some of the same hardware now painted.
The last picture shows it all coming back together with one of the bucket seats reassembled! NICE!
In my next installment I will share some of my pictures when Linda and I visit Troy's shop
about this time of the restoration!
MJ
AUGUST SUPERBIRD VISIT!
For those of you following along you get the restoration in bits and pieces.
For Linda and I it was huge progress each time we made the trip down to visit the Superbird.
We tried to go every month to 6 weeks and check on the progress and deliver any parts
that I had come up with to enhance the restoration!
Un fortunately it was also time to pick up any mistakes and parts that were not nice enough.
Keep in mind the last time we had seen the Superbird was when the body was freshly painted.
The pictures that I will share are from our camera and cover the same areas that I have recently posted.
You will see some better views over the shop camera and some added details.
This first batch of pictures show the drivers side front and rear and then the same for the passengers side!
MJ
AUGUST SUPERBIRD VISIT PART 2!
Here we get to see other areas of the Superbird!
The first picture is of the engine compartment.
You will notice the freshly restored wiper motor.
It was one of the last to be restored by Jules DA wiper man! RIP!
The second picture is of the tail light panel / bumper area.
The third picture is with the Superbird now up on the lift of the back of the car.
The last picture is underneath the front of the car.
MJ
:drool5:
Better than new.
AUGUST SUPERBIRD VISIT PART 3!
In this batch of pictures we move on to the front suspension and component table.
The first picture is of the drivers side front suspension and wheel opening.
The second picture is of the same view on the passengers side.
The last picture in this batch is of the restored brake booster and master cylinder.
These were ready to be added when it was time for the brakes.
MJ
AUGUST SUPERBIRD VISIT PART 4!
Here we move on to the dash assembly.
The first picture shows the freshly painted dash frame with the original top pad installed.
The second picture shows the front of the dash with the restored bezels in place.
The last picture shows the restored gage cluster and speaker ready for assembly.
It is in this picture you will see about 6 wiper arms and several sets of windshield chrome.
When I dropped off the Superbird for restoration There were the parts on the car and
also the best of my best spares! I was hoping they would have everything they needed.
Here is a short list of 1970 Road Runners and GTX's I parted over the years:
1970 Road Runner white totaled in front stripped on site at Big Jacks salvage yard.
1970 Road Runner burnt orange bought as stripped out stock car project.
1970 Road Runner yellow stripped at friends house before scrapped.
1970 Road Runner purple stripped and scrapped.
1970 GTX blue was burnt and stripped on site at Westville Auto Salvage.
1970 Sport Sattelite red was totaled drivers side stripped and scrapped.
1970 Sport Sattelite white was stripped and scrapped.
This doesn't include swap meet buys that I felt were better than what I had on hand!
MJ
AUGUST SUPERBIRD VISIT FINAL!
Here are the last of my pictures from the August Superbird visit.
I was so happy that I couldn't hardly hold still to take any more!
The first picture is of the interior progress in the cowl area.
The second picture is of the interior on the passengers side.
The last picture shows the back seat and seat belts in place. WOW!
We were very happy with the amount of progress from the last visit!
MJ
Quote from: skip68 on December 15, 2015, 10:51:34 AM
:drool5:
Better than new.
Most definitely and thanks for following along!
MJ
:cheers: :popcrn: :drool5: :2thumbs:
Wow !!!!!!!
DASH ASSEMBLY AND BRAKE BOOSTER DETAILS!
Recently I went over the dash assembly and brake booster restorations and have some added details.
The first picture is of the NOS brake booster valve box Mopar part number 3004626.
The second picture shows the heater control panel restored and installed in the dash!
The restoration work was done by Dave Patik at Performance Car Graphics.
You will also notice the radio and radio knobs now installed.
The last picture is of the vent knobs. I also sent these to Dave Patik for restoration.
On both items Dave re-painted the levers and knobs. Some shops use decals that eventually fail.
MJ
:2thumbs: Nice work
John, do you know who they use for heater box restoration? Or is that done in-house?
Doug,
The heater boxes themselves are done in house.
They recently had both stamps made for the correct yellow part number on the front covers!
MJ
SUPERBIRD JACKS AND SPARE!
In this segment I will share pictures of the restoration work done on the jacks and spare wheel.
The first two pictures are of the original front jack handle.
The last picture is of the unrestored front and rear jack hold down plates.
MJ
SUPERBIRD JACKS AND SPARE PART 2!
In this batch of pictures we continue on with the jack restoration.
The first two pictures show the original rear jack mechanism before restoration.
The third picture shows the original lug wrench that came with the Superbird.
The last picture is of the front jack hold down plate bead blasted and coated with glazing putty to remove the small pits.
MJ
SUPERBIRD JACKS AND SPARE PART 3!
In this batch of pictures I share views of the front scissors jack.
The first two pictures feature the original warning decals.
The third picture is an overall view of the scissors jack and rear bumper jack base.
The last picture is of the scissors jack expanded, blasted and hung for primer.
MJ
SUPERBIRD JACKS AND SPARE PART 4!
In this batch of pictures I cover the restoration of the spare wheel.
The first picture shows the wheel blasted and ready for primer.
The last two pictures show the wheel in primer front and back.
A note here about the wheel.
The wheel shown is NOT the correct wheel for a Superbird!
Back in 1988 when we drove the Superbird from northern Indiana to Talladega we blew the sides
off two of the original tires! We stopped and had to have the spare tire removed and mounted
on a Rallye wheel to look correct. So after that I bought a correct 5th rallye wheel and used it as a spare.
Fast forward about 25 years and it's time to restore the Superbird and I can't find the original spare !@#$%^&*()!
So I did the best I could at the time and used the mid to late 70's NOS 15 X 7 wheel I had.
After the MCACN show I was lucky to find and purchase a correct 2944450 wheel and swap it out.
MJ
SUPERBIRD JACKS AND SPARE PART 5!
Here we show some of the items in primer.
The first picture is of the scissors jack hold down now in primer.
The second picture shows the scissors jack in primer.
The last picture is of the fine thread jack screw before it's cleaned up.
MJ
SUPERBIRD JACKS AND SPARE FINAL!
This is the last of the pictures I have for the August invoice of the trunk area.
The first picture shows the rear bumper jack, hold down and hardware restored and installed!
The last picture shows the front scissors jack, hold down and handle restored and installed!
Note the reproduction trunk mat too shiny and incorrect colors. It almost looks blue!
This was replaced with an NOS original at a later date. ENJOY!
MJ
:2thumbs: :2thumbs: :2thumbs: :2thumbs:
SUPERBIRD RADIATOR!
We were lucky to have the original 2998956 radiator still with the Superbird in good shape.
Troy sent it out to his local shop who still works on the old copper radiators.
In the first two pictures you will see the top and bottom tanks in good shape after it was dipped.
The third picture shows the front view of the radiator now painted with the foam seals ready to install.
The last picture is of the back of the radiator now painted.
MJ
Buying that 450 wheel must have reduced the quantity of Christmas presents under the tree..... :lol:
Looks great John!
I'm still using an original 956 radiator in my race car!
Looking great John... Did your scissor jack's hold down fit ok? Mine doesn't, the stud was welded in the wrong spot, too close to the quarter...... I have heard this is a common Superbird hiccup....
Troy
Great thread on the restoration of your Superbird. but I have to comment on your scissors jack. It is not an original jack. Wrong rivets, knob is too big and not tapered. thread on shaft is too coarse. Superbird jacks did not come with decals either.
I know you want to do a correct quality job, so I had to throw in my 2 cents. WINGNUT426
Quote from: maxwellwedge on January 08, 2016, 12:41:24 PM
Buying that 450 wheel must have reduced the quantity of Christmas presents under the tree..... :lol:
Looks great John!
Thanks Jim!
The wheel was expensive but I bought it from a fellow DC.COM member at a reasonable hobby price!
Quote from: Hemi Runner on January 08, 2016, 12:58:46 PM
I'm still using an original 956 radiator in my race car!
The 2998956 radiators were getting very expensive even though they were used on many cars the HEMI application ran the price up!
GLEN RAY RADIATORS has nice reproductions now that take care of most needs and stopped the rise of the originals!
Quote from: hemi68charger on January 08, 2016, 01:50:25 PM
Looking great John... Did your scissor jack's hold down fit ok? Mine doesn't, the stud was welded in the wrong spot, too close to the quarter...... I have heard this is a common Superbird hiccup....
Troy
Danny,
My Superbird jack hold down stud was a ground off bolt stuffed into the trunk floor to trunk floor extension seam and welded.
I do not have any problems with the hold down plate fitting.
MJ
Quote from: Wingnut426 on January 08, 2016, 01:59:53 PM
Great thread on the restoration of your Superbird. but I have to comment on your scissors jack. It is not an original jack. Wrong rivets, knob is too big and not tapered. thread on shaft is too coarse. Superbird jacks did not come with decals either.
I know you want to do a correct quality job, so I had to throw in my 2 cents. WINGNUT426
Pete,
Thanks for your expertise on the scissors jack.
A few years back we dug out my folding picnic table at the INDY AERO meet and started digging scissors jacks out of trunks.
We dug out Superbird and Daytona jacks.
My jack was the next to the finest thread on the shaft with two more varieties being more coarse?
The decals were an item that I have rarely seen on any others.
Are the original Superbird and Daytona jacks Identical other than color?
Thanks! John
NOS TRUNK MAT!
I decided to go out and take some pictures so that I wouldn't forget later.
The first picture is a large view of the NOS trunk mat installed.
The second picture is a close up.
The third picture is a close up of the surface print on the back side.
The last picture is an original dealer invoice for 5 NOS trunk mats Mopar part number 3415956.
Being they ordered 5 might be why there was one left? Thanks to AERO426 for the rare part!
MJ
ORIGINAL BREAK OFF GREASE FITTINGS!
I had used up all of my decent original break off grease fittings on the Daytona.
Late this summer I traded a friend of mine a pair of NOS wiper blades for a nice set of original break off grease fittings.
They arrived recently and I will swap them out soon.
My first picuture shows the nice set of original fittings already broke off and ready!
The second picture is of the correct 2944450 wheel installed with the rest of the rear bumper jack parts restored.
MJ
SUPERBIRD LATCH TRAY!
While other items on the Superbird were being restored and detailed the body man was moving along also!
The first picture is of the latch tray prepped and hung for primer top side.
The second picture is the bottom side view.
The third and fourth pictures are of the bottom side in primer.
MJ
SUPERBIRD LATCH TRAY FINAL!
In this batch of pictures there are only two.
They both show the Superbird latch tray views now painted.
MJ
SUPERBIRD NOSE CONE INSIDE PAINT!
With the Superbird nose cone all prepped and painted on the outside it was now time to finish the inside.
The first two pictures are passengers side and drivers side views of the nose prepped for paint inside.
The last two pictures are from the same views of the nose now painted black inside.
MJ
SUPERBIRD NOSE CONE HEAD LIGHT OPENING PAINT!
This step is often messed up on Superbirds!
The folks restoring the Superbirds either leave the body color paint showing around the head light openings
or they mask off a small section that shows the tape line after the decals are installed!
This batch of pictures is only two that show the drivers side and passengers side tape and paper
peeled back and the headlight openings feathered in with black paint!
MJ
SUPERBIRD HEADLIGHT DOORS!
With the nose cone, Z brackets and other parts ready it was time for the headlight doors.
This batch of pictures show the headlight doors sanded and ready for paint.
MJ
SUPERBIRD HEADLIGHT BUCKETS!
The first picture in this batch is actually the passengers headlight door now painted.
The second picture is of the headlight buckets hung and ready for paint.
The last two pictures show the headlight buckets painted.
MJ
HEAD LIGHT DOOR ACTUATORS!
This batch of pictures has only two!
The first picture shows one of the headlight actuators unrestored.
The second picture shows the actuators after Troy restored them. WOW!
He copied the formula he developed from the Daytona actuators.
Most NOS actuators are black and most of the originals have lost their finish.
MJ
Very nice work John. How much of this do you do yourself?
John, coming along good! Looks awesome!
Quote from: Mytur Binsdirti on January 12, 2016, 09:10:54 PM
Very nice work John. How much of this do you do yourself?
Mytur,
First off I bought this unusual car back in the mid 70's and drove it to and more recently trailered it to most of the national aero meets.
Along the way I restored it myself back around 1980 with so so results including the paint job.
This time around I hunted for as many original and NOS parts as I could and delivered them to the shop.
Also with the help of my understanding wife paid the restoration shop invoices.
MJ
Quote from: 1970Moparmann on January 12, 2016, 10:51:32 PM
John, coming along good! Looks awesome!
Thanks mike!
The Superbird is home so if you come through for work or travel stop by for a visit and check it out.
MJ
SUPERBIRD HEADLIGHT ACTUATOR HARDWARE!
This batch of pictures shows a couple views of the actuator hardware as removed and then after it was bead blasted and painted or plated!
MJ
SUPERBIRD HEADLIGHT BUCKET HARDWARE!
This batch of pictures shows the many pieces and parts that make up the Shuperbird headlight bucket hardware.
The first picture shows the hardware bead blasted.
The second picture shows the hardware painted and ready for assembly.
The last picture is of the special thin headed bolts that hold the headlight buckets to the nose cone.
MJ
SUPERBIRD HEADLIGHT BUCKET ASSEMBLY AND INSTALLATION!
This batch of pictures show all the pieces and parts coming together and installed!
The first picture is of the passengers side headlight bucket assembled with the headlight actuator.
The second picture shows the drivers side headlight bucket with the actuator being installed.
The third picture shows the passengers side headlight bucket assembly installed in the nose cone.
The last picture is the same view of the drivers side headlight bucket assembly installed.
MJ
SUPERBIRD HEADLIGHT BUCKETS FINAL!
With the many pieces and parts assembled and adjusted the headlight buckets were completed.
For those who have not done this job it's very difficult to have the headlight doors close even with
the nose and not rub the sides when opening and closing!
There is only one last picture and it shows an outside view of the headlight buckets installed in the nose!
Next up is the steering column restoration!
I have been dreading it due to all the pictures I have to sort through! Enjoy!
MJ
Quote from: Mopar John on January 13, 2016, 11:10:56 AM
Quote from: Mytur Binsdirti on January 12, 2016, 09:10:54 PM
Very nice work John. How much of this do you do yourself?
Mytur,
First off I bought this unusual car back in the mid 70's and drove it to and more recently trailered it to most of the national aero meets.
Along the way I restored it myself back around 1980 with so so results including the paint job.
This time around I hunted for as many original and NOS parts as I could and delivered them to the shop.
Also with the help of my understanding wife paid the restoration shop invoices.
MJ
John, he knows damn well about your story. Don't need to defend yourself...... Your an awesome guy that has helped so many Mopar people with parts, knowledge, and influence - I thank you!
I hope to spend some time with you in the future aero meets when our cars are together.
Quote from: Mopar John on January 13, 2016, 11:12:19 AM
Quote from: 1970Moparmann on January 12, 2016, 10:51:32 PM
John, coming along good! Looks awesome!
Thanks mike!
The Superbird is home so if you come through for work or travel stop by for a visit and check it out.
MJ
John, will be sooner than later! I appreciate the invite! Putting the plan together now for the Bird. The engine/trans should be out in the next few weeks.
SUPERBIRD STEERING COLUMN!
I have been putting this topic off for a while because of all the parts and pictures involved.
So here we go starting with the disassembly.
The first picture shows the steering column as it was removed from the wheel end.
The second picture shows the dash board support bracket.
The third picture shows the firewall plate with the smeared "10 OK" inspection stamp!
The last picture is of the column from the coupler end.
SUPERBIRD STEERING COLUMN PART 2!
Here we continue with the disassembly of the steering column.
The first picture shows the key area and column to dash ground strap.
The second picture shows some of the wire harness and protective trough.
The third picture is of the plastic protector and factory tape to hold it.
The last picture is of the screened area that is to collapse in a collision.
If you look close into the screen you will see a white paint daub!
I assume it's for the assembly line workers to select the correct one for the build?
MJ
SUPERBIRD STEERING COLUMN PART 3!
In this batch of pictures we move along with the disassembly of the steering column.
The first picture shows the horn button removed with the wood grain wheel adapter and horn switch showing.
The second picture is of the key area close up. You can see all the marks from the extra keys on the housing.
The third picture is of the steering wheel removed. You can see the turn signal and emergency flasher switches.
The last picture is a view with the wire trough removed.
MJ
SUPERBIRD STEERING COLUMN PART 4!
In this batch of pictures we show more parts removed from the assembly!
The first picture shows the dash board support removed with the 3 plastic spacers.
The second picture shows the steering lock plate removed.
In the second picture you can also see the vintage SUN distributor machine Troy has purchased for the shop!
The third picture shows the inside area with the main shaft removed.
The last picture shows the steering lock mechanism and the back of the ignition switch.
MJ
SUPERBIRD STEERING COLUMN PART 5!
The disassembly gets serious in this batch of pictures!
The first picture shows the column collar removed.
The second picture shows the shim/bushing that's between the collar and housing.
The third picture shows a close up of the factory inspection stamp on the firewall plate.
The last picture is of the column to firewall plate adapter removed.
MJ
SUPERBIRD STEERING COLUMN PART 6!
I think this is going to be the last batch of pictures for now. It's all getting blurry!
The first picture shows the firewall plate to column adapter seal being removed.
The second picture shows the shift tube removed.
The third picture shows the restoration now beginning with some parts blasted and hung for paint!
The last picture is of the dash board support blasted and ready for paint also!
Stay tuned for more as the restoration continues!
MJ
MJ, please keep the photos coming. I am a little behind you in my restoration, so the time you are spending posting your photos is very much appreciated as a reference for me. What you are doing is providing a valuable resource for any of us undertaking a restoration, please don't underestimate the valuable contribution you are making to the hobby!!
Quote from: rickroadrunner on January 31, 2016, 05:52:11 AM
MJ, please keep the photos coming. I am a little behind you in my restoration, so the time you are spending posting your photos is very much appreciated as a reference for me. What you are doing is providing a valuable resource for any of us undertaking a restoration, please don't underestimate the valuable contribution you are making to the hobby!!
Thanks Rick!
It takes a lot of time to sort out the pictures and keep the segments flowing in order.
The guys at the restoration shop use several cameras and all the pictures are transferred to a disk.
That disk comes with the invoice for the work performed on the invoice.
Then add in my own pictures from parts and visits and it's a lot of time.
But if it helps answer some questions it's worth it!
MJ
STEERING COLUMN PART 7!
We'll I'm back with some more restoration pictures on the steering column!
The first picture shows the firewall plate to column adapter blasted.
The second picture shows the steering column parts painted and ready for reassembly!
The third picture shows the new firewall seal.
The last picture is of the new shift tube bushing and clip.
MJ
STEERING COLUMN PART 8!
Here we start to see some reassembly of the column!
The first picture is of the collar back on the housing.
The second picture is of the coupler parts ready for reassembly.
The third picture shows the shift tube inside the housing with a fresh white paint daub!
The last picture shows the firewall plate and adapter.
We did not repaint the firewall plate to save the original inspection stamp.
MJ
STEERING COLUMN PART 9!
Here the reassembly continues!
The first and second pictures are of the NOS lock package Mopar part number2999444.
The third picture shows the ignition switch and lock installed.
The last picture is of the turn signal switch and handle installed.
MJ
SUPERBIRD STEERING COLUMN FINAL!
This batch of pictures are the last I have for the August invoice.
The first one shows the NOS ignition lock and keys outside view.
The second picture shows the column to gear box coupler close up.
The third picture shows the coupler end of the column.
The last picture shows the mounting hardware blasted and ready for paint!
In my next segment I will share the decal installation pictures!
On a Superbird there are a lot and they transform the car!
MJ
SUPERBIRD DECALS!
I think that the biggest WOW in the restoration is when the body work is done and the paint is applied!
The second biggest WOW to me on a Superbird is when all the decals are installed!
Here we start with the two small decals.
The first picture is of the NOS passengers door decal Mopar part number 3499407.
The second picture is of the NOS passengers quarter extension decal Mopar part number 2964116.
I believe I got both of these from PETTYBIRD out of the family stash years ago!
MJ
SUPERBIRD DECALS PART 2!
In this batch of pictures I show the NOS wing and quarter decals!
The first two pictures are of the NOS PLYMOUTH quarter decals Mopar part numbers 3571128.
The last picture is of one of the NOS SUPERBIRD wing decals Mopar part number 3571143.
MJ
SUPERBIRD DECALS PART 3!
This batch of pictures show the installation of the PLYMOUTH quarter panel decals.
The first two pictures show the decals in place with the backing still on.
The last two pictures show the backing removed!
MJ
SUPERBIRD DECALS FINAL!
I have saved the best for last!
There are only two pictures in this batch.
The first shows one of the last sets of NOS nose decals left on the planet.
They were well preserved by the Schellinger family for many years! Thanks Doug!
Mopar part numbers 3571170/1 for the headlight doors and 3571178/9 for the surrounds.
The last picture shows the NOS nose decals installed! WOW!
Notice there is no body color showing and no paint lines from painting the edges of the
headlight doors and nose!
MJ
Man John, this thing is a stunner. Both your wingcars are :drool5: worthy. Not to mention the cars in your stable.
Quote from: wingcarenvy on February 07, 2016, 10:50:35 PM
Man John, this thing is a stunner. Both your wingcars are :drool5: worthy. Not to mention the cars in your stable.
Thanks for all the compliments!
It seems like the Superbird was just a continuation of the Daytona restoration.
Using the same shop and many of the same craftsmen and parts ended up with a similar result.
MJ
Holy Cow !!!! John, looks awesome !!!! :2thumbs:
Yes, you are right.. There are two major, amongst others, milestones in a Superbird's resto; paint and decals !!!
Pure inspiration............ Especially now that I seem to have enough coin now to send the Superbird off to get the body work and paint done.......
Cheers,
Quote from: hemi68charger on February 08, 2016, 11:46:11 AM
Holy Cow !!!! John, looks awesome !!!! :2thumbs:
Yes, you are right.. There are two major, amongst others, milestones in a Superbird's resto; paint and decals !!!
Pure inspiration............ Especially now that I seem to have enough coin now to send the Superbird off to get the body work and paint done.......
Cheers,
Thanks Troy!
I noticed recently that you have found some of the odds and ends you were looking for on your Superbird project.
I also noticed that you had feelers out for trade? I hope you stick with it though!
MJ
The pictures of the decals were the last that were included with the August invoice.
We now move to the November invoice which was the last one before we picked up the Superbird.
The Superbird was basically restored but we were waiting for some critical parts to be restored by 3rd parties.
Two of the biggest items were the six barrel carburetors and the vacuum advance unit for the distributor.
The craftsman restoring the carbs had them almost done when he suffered a medical issue!
In the end he recovered and completed them in time.
This first batch of pictures from the November invoice may he been done earlier as I have
posted some pictures with the nose already on.
The first picture shows the nose seal bolts restored and ready.
The second picture shows the passengers side lower valance to fender seal installed.
The last picture shows the same seal installed on the drivers side along with the upper core support seal.
MJ
I love the above pictures.. The forward leading edge of this Superbird fenders all look like the finishing assembly plant whacked at the fender to make the nose fit... All of them are wavy... And I thought mine were messed up... :icon_smile_big:
Quote from: hemi68charger on February 16, 2016, 08:00:27 AM
I love the above pictures.. The forward leading edge of this Superbird fenders all look like the finishing assembly plant whacked at the fender to make the nose fit... All of them are wavy... And I thought mine were messed up... :icon_smile_big:
Troy,
I agree, the front fenders look like they were in a collision!
MJ
BETTER TRUNK AREA PICTURES!
I have previously covered the trunk area but these pictures have better resolution!
The first picture is a nice one of the NOS trunk mat installed.
The second picture is of the spare and jack parts all installed.
The third picture shows the jack instructions installed in the same place as the originals.
The last picture is an overall of the trunk area including the weatherstrip that was removed
from the 1970 GTX race car! ENJOY!
MJ
Should the spare tire have raised white letters :shruggy:
Quote from: billssuperbird on February 16, 2016, 07:39:29 PM
Should the spare tire have raised white letters :shruggy:
Bill,
In the trunk area pictures we are looking at the back side of the spare tire and wheel.
I think the Chrysler engineers did it this way to stow the jack base and hook inside the spare wheel.
I have been wanting to post a picture with some of the original break off grease fittings installed.
So in the attached picture you will see a couple of those and the inside of another tire with no raised white letters on the inside.
All 5 of my tires are plain black lettering on the inside and raised white letters on the outside.
Thanks! MJ
Quote from: Mopar John on February 16, 2016, 07:14:58 PM
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The second picture is of the spare and jack parts all installed.
...
MJ
John,
Now anyone with a proper Jack assembly? I think they are the same between a '70 Dodge and Plymouth except the hook is one number off...
T
Quote from: hemi68charger on February 20, 2016, 08:48:49 AM
Quote from: Mopar John on February 16, 2016, 07:14:58 PM
..
The second picture is of the spare and jack parts all installed.
...
MJ
John,
Now anyone with a proper Jack assembly? I think they are the same between a '70 Dodge and Plymouth except the hook is one number off...
T
Troy,
You are correct!
The 1970 Coronet hook is stamped 2931 104 10961 and the 1970 Road Runner hook is stamped 2931 103 10961.
MJ
SUPERBIRD HEADLIGHTS!
It was around this time in the Superbird restoration that I convinced myself that I had the wrong NOS headlights !@#$%^&*(!
Most original Superbirds had Westinghouse headlights and not GE headlights.
So I started a hunt for a set of NOS date coded Westinghouse headlights.
My first picture shows the three boxes with the headlights.
I had to make a set as you can't hardly find sets of anything any more!
Notice the wide flutes on the bulbs that went away in the early seventies.
The last picture shows the back of one of the headlights with the 5 9 or May 1969 date code.
I was able to find May-September headlights.
MJ
SUPERBIRD HEADLIGHTS PART 2!
Here are pictures of the NOS Westinghouse headlights and their original boxes!
MJ
SUPERBIRD HEADLIGHTS FINAL!
Here is a picture of the headlights ready for installation!
You will also see the nice set of headlight buckets and NOS head light retainers Mopar part number 2449525.
MJ
Quote from: Mopar John on February 22, 2016, 03:34:19 PM
SUPERBIRD HEADLIGHTS PART 2!
Here are pictures of the NOS Westinghouse headlights and their original boxes!
MJ
VERY NICE !!! :2thumbs:
SUPERBIRD 440 SIX BARREL DUAL POINT DISTRIBUTOR!
One of the last items to get back to the shop restored was the vacuum advance for the distributor.
I had looked all over for an NOS one with no luck!
We'll it finally arrived and Troy and the guys could finish the distributor!
The first picture shows the breaker plate with the NOS point sets.
The second picture is of the restored housing, shaft and most important vacuum advance unit!
The third picture is of the restored oiler for the distributor.
The last picture is of the assembled distributor with the original part number tag.
If you look close you can see the original part number2875982 on it!
MJ
SUPERBIRD DISTRIBUTOR CAP!
When we had the Superbird distributor installed a fellow customer of Troy's shop told me I had the wrong distributor cap!@#$%^&*()!
He told me that the original type cap had "MADE IN USA" on it.
I have attached a picture of the commonly used wrong superceded cap on the left and the rare NOS correct cap on the right.
The part number for the NOS dual point cap is 2585000.
MJ
MORE NOS!
With the Superbird restoration winding down we were running out of time to add more NOS parts to the restoration.
Here are a few last minute additions to the restoration!
In my first picture I show a pair of NOS muffler hangers Mopar part number 2883914.
The second picture shows a single NOS exhaust tip hanger Mopar part number 2856265.
The third picture shows a plastic bag containing original NOS GE 1157 tail light bulbs.
The last picture shows a NOS gas pedal Mopar part number 2658704. ENJOY!
Next up will be our early October visit to see the Superbird!
MJ
IT WAS TIME FOR ANOTHER VISIT TO THE RESTORATION SHOP!
It was early October now and the restoration was just about done.
The goal was to be ready for the Muscle Car And Corvette Nationals show in November.
I took the following pictures during the visit. Some will show more detail than previously posted.
The first picture is of the steering column and dash area.
The second picture is of the interior highlighting the original bucket seats, rear seat and door panels.
The last picture is of the trunk area. Notice the original trunk weatherstrip and jack instructions are not installed.
MJ
RESTORATION SHOP VISIT PART 2!
Here I continue on with pictures from our visit to the restoration shop!
The first picture is of the engine compartment with all the NOS and restored components!
The second picture is of a passengers side quarter panel view.
The last picture is of the same view on the drivers side.
At this point the Superbird was almost ready!
In addition to the trunk items it still needed to go to the alignment shop and a final detailing.
We knew that our Superbird would be completed as expected and in time for the November show!
MJ
Amazing work John. I have huge appreciation for all the work this has taken. :2thumbs:
What an awesome thread! Those were the pictures I was waiting for! :2thumbs:
Looks amazing! :cheers: :cheers:
Damn !!!! :2thumbs: :2thumbs: :2thumbs: :2thumbs:
That is gorgeous!!!! :2thumbs:
As a side note I notice the white "Plymouth" decals on the quarters. Is your car EK2 or EV2? Kinda hard to tell on my computer. I always thought your car was EK2 and that would have black decals or am I mistaken.
Quote from: Homerr on March 08, 2016, 10:47:14 AM
Amazing work John. I have huge appreciation for all the work this has taken. :2thumbs:
Jeff,
With all the work you do on this site I value your positive comments!
Thanks for the new Daytona registry!
MJ
Quote from: 1970Moparmann on March 08, 2016, 10:52:06 AM
What an awesome thread! Those were the pictures I was waiting for! :2thumbs:
Looks amazing! :cheers: :cheers:
Thanks Mike!
Stop by and take a look some time.
MJ
Quote from: hemi68charger on March 08, 2016, 11:00:35 AM
Damn !!!! :2thumbs: :2thumbs: :2thumbs: :2thumbs:
Troy,
I hope some of the pictures will help you with the yellow bird project!
Thanks! MJ
Quote from: wingcarenvy on March 08, 2016, 04:38:56 PM
That is gorgeous!!!! :2thumbs:
As a side note I notice the white "Plymouth" decals on the quarters. Is your car EK2 or EV2? Kinda hard to tell on my computer. I always thought your car was EK2 and that would have black decals or am I mistaken.
Thanks!
My Superbird is EK2 and had white decals from the factory.
This has come up several times and I point everyone to the back in the day photos with the original decals.
MJ
Quote from: Mopar John on March 09, 2016, 09:46:44 AM
I hope some of the pictures will help you with the yellow bird project!
Thanks! MJ
That and any spare parts you might have to let go.. lol
Do you know if the reproduction "P-L-Y-M-O-U-T-H" letters are any good? I was toying with that versus rechroming my originals......
Quote from: hemi68charger on March 10, 2016, 01:35:30 PM
Quote from: Mopar John on March 09, 2016, 09:46:44 AM
I hope some of the pictures will help you with the yellow bird project!
Thanks! MJ
That and any spare parts you might have to let go.. lol
Do you know if the reproduction "P-L-Y-M-O-U-T-H" letters are any good? I was toying with that versus rechroming my originals......
Troy,
The reproduction Plymouth letters for the tail panel are nice.
I have been buying nice original singles trying to make a set.
They have been running $19.00 to $29.00 each for NOS correct.
The problem is when they come from different sources they were not all stored the same and don't exactly match up
next to each other when installed!
MJ
P.S. I will have to send you a list of left overs!
THE SUPERBIRD RESTORATION IS DONE!!!!
I got a call in early November that the finishing touches and alignment were done and the Superbird was ready to be picked up!
While we were waiting for this day to come we got the new trailer ready for it's first load the freshly restored Superbird.
Linda and I left early that day and got to Troy Angelly's shop just after lunch.
The Superbird was outside and ready! It was a sight to see as we approached the shop.
Troy told us that locals would stop and check it out when ever it was outside!
Here are some pictures from that historic day.
The first picture is of our new tow vehicle and trailer ready for the first load!
The second picture is a view of the front.
The third picture is a view of the drivers side.
The last picture is a view of the passengers side.
The Superbird looked great and we were pleased with our second restoration from this shop!
Up next was the MCACN show later that month.
MJ
Quote from: Mopar John on March 11, 2016, 01:04:10 PM
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P.S. I will have to send you a list of left overs!
Thanks a bunch...... Seems at the rate I'm going, we could be potentially parked next to each other at the next Aero Meet... :icon_smile_big:
Quote from: Mopar John on March 11, 2016, 01:12:58 PM
THE SUPERBIRD RESTORATION IS DONE!!!!
..
Holy Moly!!!! That sucker looks awesome !!!! :2thumbs:
Wow, the color looks even better outside!
looks awesome :drool5: :2thumbs: :popcrn:
THANKS FOR ALL THE GREAT COMMENTS!
DID I SAY THE RESTORATION IS DONE?
We'll to be honest when you go to this level there never done!
Your always out looking for that rare part that will make it a little bit better.
I had made a short list of items that if I found a nice NOS replacement I would swap out.
One of those items was the wood grain knob for the automatic console shifter.
I had a couple of what I thought were nice used ones and used the best one.
I also had bought an NOS black shift button Mopar part number 2950715 and NOS spring Mopar part number 2950716.
Just before the MCACN show I spotted an NOS assembly line wood grain shift knob and bought it!
The Mopar part number for the wood grain shift knob is 2950713.
The first picture shows a side view of the NOS knob next to what I thought was a nice used one!
The last picture shows a top view and the nice chrome on the NOS knob.
The NOS knob arrived in time for me to swap it out before the show!
I still have a short list of items that I would like to replace or upgrade.
MJ
RETIREMENT!
After working for 50 years starting with part time jobs on weekends and after school I retired yesterday with 26 years from the steel mill!
426 Linda and I have a lot planned and can't wait to get started! More on the Superbird soon!
MJ
Quote from: Mopar John on March 22, 2016, 01:42:18 PM
RETIREMENT!
After working for 50 years starting with part time jobs on weekends and after school I retired yesterday with 26 years from the steel mill!
426 Linda and I have a lot planned and can't wait to get started! More on the Superbird soon!
MJ
Congrad's JOHN !!!!!
Quite the achievement for the two of you.. :2thumbs:
:cheers: :2thumbs: I hope I can retire in four years
Congrats John! Make sure you enjoy the Superbird - it is a beautiful car!
Thanks for the kind thoughts!
Bill you should have a detailed plan in place by now if your only 4 years out!
I hope it happens for you!
MJ
Quote from: Mopar John on March 23, 2016, 06:00:08 PM
Thanks for the kind thoughts!
Bill you should have a detailed plan in place by now if your only 4 years out!
I hope it happens for you!
MJ
Planning for retirement is not that hard if you start early. The financial stuff is pretty straight forward, but only you can say when you have enough. Now for the hard part.
Go to work Friday, check out, wake up Monday and find you have nothing to do is not the way to start a retirement.
NOVEMBER 2014 MUSCLE CAR AND CORVETTE NATIONALS!
The MCACN show was the first one for our restored Superbird! We had more confidence this time around than we did with our Daytona.
We had a better time frame for getting the car done and parts were easier to find for the Superbird.
The Superbird was invited by Bob Ashton to be part of his "color my world" display!
The first picture shows the sign at the show for this group of cars.
The second picture is of the row of cars from our end of the display.
The green HEMI Daytona first in line is the former Jim Radke Daytona.
The third picture is of the sign board we had made with info on the Superbird.
The last picture in this batch is of the matching orange guitar placed by the Superbird.
We ended up buying that guitar and Linda has taken some lessons on how to play it!
MJ
Very cool John... Something else in common......... I bought my first Fender Stratocaster a few months ago and having fun learning how to play it........... But, mine isn't color-keyed to my Superbird..
2014 MCACN SHOW PART 2 LINDA'S TURN!!
At the MCACN show like most shows Linda spends more time with the car on display than I do!
I wonder off to check out other cars and the swap meets while she stays with the car.
At the MCACN show they recognize the women of the hobby!
If the car on display has a womans name on the title she is eligible for an award.
The first picture shows Linda at the back of the Superbird watching over things.
The second picture is a business card from Tamra Perto who was the representative for MK insurance.
On Saturday of the show Tamra studied the ladies of the show and decided to award Linda the MK insurance "MOPAR" award!!
The third picture shows the certificate for the award placed on the Superbird's latch tray.
The last picture shows Tamra presenting Linda with the award! Linda is wearing her event shirt from the Cleveland wing car meet!
What a GREAT start to the weekend!
MJ
2014 MCACN SHOW PART 3!
Her are some more pictures from the display floor.
The first picture shows Linda standing by the passengers side of the Superbird this time wearing her 40th Aero Warrior reunion shirt from Talladega!
She was still very happy from winning the Lady Mopar award earlier in the weekend!
The second picture is of the Superbird on display.
The last picture is a close up of the front of the Superbird.
MJ
2014 MCACN SHOW PART 4 JUDGING RESULTS!
It was now Sunday afternoon and it was time for the car show judging awards!
All the cars at this show are hand picked and of the highest quality around.
The first picture shows me receiving the Concours Gold award from Vicki Ashton for the Superbird!
The second picture is a picture of the Concours Gold award.
In addition each class receives a Platinum for best of class and an Emerald for class runner up.
The Superbird scored very well and also received the Plymouth Emerald award!
We were beat out by just one or two points by a HEMI Superbird for best of class Platinum.
The third picture shows the Emerald Plymouth award!
The last picture is of Troy and Eli Angelly standing by the back of the Superbird with the awards displayed on the wing!
Thanks Troy and Eli and your shop for the fine restoration!
MJ
2014 MCACN SHOW FINAL!
This reply only has one picture with it.
It shows Linda and I at the back of our Superbird with the 3 awards up on the wing!
Left to right is the "LADY MOPAR" award then the "EMERALD PLYMOUTH" award and last the "CONCOURS GOLD" award!
We couldn't have asked for any better result from this high level show.
I would like to thank Linda for the time and support of my hobby!
MJ
P.S. Next up will be the work being done to get ready for Chryslers at Carlisle 2016!
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GREAT stuff John!!
A question, maybe it's the light, but I though the engine and the air cleaner top plate were the same colour. Just getting ready to do mine and would like to clarify if the air cleaner plate is indeed a darker orange? THANKS!
Quote from: birdsandbees on March 25, 2016, 11:50:26 AM
GREAT stuff John!!
A question, maybe it's the light, but I though the engine and the air cleaner top plate were the same colour. Just getting ready to do mine and would like to clarify if the air cleaner plate is indeed a darker orange? THANKS!
The engine and the air cleaner lid should not be the same color!
It's funny you bring this up as I have bought another set of decals for the air cleaner lid.
There has been some debate as to the color of the lid and I'm working my way through the issue!
I have been told that mine is too dark and should be lighter than the engine similar to a Fram oil filter?
MJ
Quote from: hemi68charger on March 24, 2016, 10:51:54 AM
Very cool John... Something else in common......... I bought my first Fender Stratocaster a few months ago and having fun learning how to play it........... But, mine isn't color-keyed to my Superbird..
Just paint the Superbird the same color as the guitar! :lol:
B E A U T I F U L!
MCACN DEDUCTIONS
After the judging at the MCACN show it was time to go over the deductions.
The judges were very fair, honest and up front.
The first item was that a 1 point deduction for a nick in the rub strip.
This was an NOS part that I purchased from the late Monroe Schellinger many years ago.
Not too long after the show I purchased another "NOS" rub strip and it had 3 smaller not so noticeable nicks.
I have the other with the Superbird and after studying them they look like the rubber started to dry and snag in the mold?
The next item was a 1 point deduction for the air cleaner base being to shiny on the six pack?
I have been told it should be the same paint as the black used on the upper door frames?
The next item was a 2 point deduction for the steering wheel. I think 1 was for the wood grain wheel spokes and the other for the adapter.
Moving along was another 2 point deduction for the interior in general. This was due to the original seats and door panels being used! I'll take it on those.
The last 2 points were deducted for the original trunk weatherstrip removed from my low mile 1970 GTX race car. Again I'll take it on that!
Keep in mind that this is a 1,000 point concours type show and not the 2,000-2,500 point OE show.
So I had made a list of parts that I still wanted to add to the Superbird.
The second NOS rub strip was the first part found.
Another early find was an NOS body to rear end housing hose.
I had found a pair of NOS hoses for the front brake calipers but wanted to find the one for out back.
I found an NOS rear hose Mopar part number 3461728 dated perfectly 251st day of 1969 for a November 1969 build on EBAY.
I was hanging back to bid when I noticed the auction had ended!@#$%^&*()?
I contacted the seller to see what happened and if he had another available?
He said he had 2 of them and had sold them off EBAY to a friend.
We'll after about 3 weeks of e-mails I was able to purchase one of the NOS rear brake hoses!
I have attached a couple of pictures of the NOS hose.
One more item off the list!
MJ
NOS SPARK PLUG WIRES!
Around this time all I had to do was work on my NOS parts wanted list.
I came across a confusing written auction on EBAY for some NOS spark plug wires.
The ad stated that they were for a big block 1967 A body but that the wires were dated 3rd QTR 69?
What they had was an NOS set of wires with the 1967 part number 2888769 made in the 3rd QTR 1969.
Up to this point any NOS big block wires I came across were $750.00 to $2,000.00 depending on the seller!
I won the set of wires for a very reasonable cost and will need to change just one of the plug end boots.
The 3rd QTR 69 date code is perfect for the November built Superbird.
The first picture shows the Mopar plug wire box.
The second picture shows the end of the box with the part number 2888769.
The third picture shows a close up of one of the wires with the 3rd QTR 69 date code.
The last picture shows all the wires fresh out of the box!
MJ
When you put these next to the repros you can see a difference in the wire texture and boot characteristics.
At this point I was very happy with my recent finds and wondered what I would come across next?
MJ
RADIATOR CAP!
When we had the Superbird restored we used a nice reproduction radiator cap.
Recently I was able to pick up an NOS cap still in it's Mopar box part number 2998982.
The first picture shows the Mopar box with part number.
The second picture is a top view of the NOS cap.
The third picture is a bottom view of the NOS cap.
The last picture shows the NOS cap next to the reproduction and also a used 1969 version.
I noticed that the 16 is DEEPER in the NOS cap compared to the reproduction and it's on the opposite tab.
The initials on the lower ring are on the opposite side also. ENJOY!
MJ
Next up will be yet another super rare find!
Hi John - I was told that "SM Co" didn't appear on assembly line caps until late 70 - early 71..........I'll re-check that.
Quote from: maxwellwedge on April 19, 2016, 09:53:01 AM
Hi John - I was told that "SM Co" didn't appear on assembly line caps until late 70 - early 71..........I'll re-check that.
Jim,
You could be correct on when the SMCO appeared!
If you look at the box that my NOS cap was in it's dated the 17th week of 1972.
So even though this is a correct number cap it could be a superceded part since it was made after the car?
Still let us know what you find out as to when that change happened?
Thanks! MJ
Hi John
I got a changeover date of August 1970.....which would be close for the 71 model year. It's still a good part - just not 100% correct......but you, me and Geno are always trying to split atoms over these parts - lol!
SUPERBIRD SCISSORS JACK REVISITED AGAIN!
Back on page 28 of my post I shared the restoration of my Superbird scissors jack.
Fellow member Wingnut426 Pete Veight who has been involved with these jacks for years pointed out several items that proved I had the WRONG jack !@$%^&*(!
What I didn't mention is that for some time I had been trying to buy another jack from a friend who had sold his wing car years ago.
Recently my friend found his jack and after consulting with Pete for it being an original I purchased it.
I then sent it out to Pete for restoration. He did a great job and the turn around time was the best I've seen in this hobby!
The first two pictures show the original scissors jack I bought.
The last two pictures show what it now looks like after Pete's restoration. WOW!
MJ
SUPERBIRD SCISSORS JACK COMPARISONS!
I thought I would take some pictures of the jack that was in my Superbird for the last 40 years and the correct one I just purchased and had restored.
There is a picture taken from each side and if you look close you will see all the things that Pete Veight pointed out back on January 28th 2016 reply.
I want to mention that fellow member Bill who goes by billssuperbird on this site also pointed out some things back when the jack was apart.
Thanks to both!
MJ
:popcrn: :2thumbs:
I've seen Pete's quality of work in person before and it's awesome!!! If I ever need to get one restored He'll be the first person I call too. :yesnod:
RADIATOR CAP REVISITED!
After the reply from maxwellwedge I decided to look into the radiator cap situation.
I was able to find a correct pre August 1970 cap.
The correct cap is installed with no S.M.CO. on it.
The incorrect cap is on the left with S.M.CO. on it.
Thanks Jim for the detail!
MJ
Quote from: Mopar John on May 12, 2016, 11:47:25 AM
RADIATOR CAP REVISITED!
After the reply from maxwellwedge I decided to look into the radiator cap situation.
I was able to find a correct pre August 1970 cap.
The correct cap is installed with no S.M.CO. on it.
The incorrect cap is on the left with S.M.CO. on it.
Thanks Jim for the detail!
MJ
it's the little things........ :2thumbs:
Quote from: hemi68charger on May 12, 2016, 01:18:20 PM
Quote from: Mopar John on May 12, 2016, 11:47:25 AM
RADIATOR CAP REVISITED!
After the reply from maxwellwedge I decided to look into the radiator cap situation.
I was able to find a correct pre August 1970 cap.
The correct cap is installed with no S.M.CO. on it.
The incorrect cap is on the left with S.M.CO. on it.
Thanks Jim for the detail!
MJ
it's the little things........ :2thumbs:
Troy,
You are correct on the little things they all add up!
On Wednesday I took the Superbird back to Troy Angelly's shop for a list of "little things".
While I was there I checked out the 3 original Daytonas that they were working on!
We need to have the Superbird the best it can be for Carlisle less than two month's away!
I have a few pictures of one of the little things.
The rear shocks on the Superbird are NOS late 1968 C body shocks.
I recently found a matched pair of NOS in the box 1970 model year Police and Taxi shocks date 6C9 or 3rd week of June 1969.
These are not completely correct but a lot closer to what should be on the Superbird.
The first picture shows the NOS shocks still in the original boxes.
The second picture shows the 6C9 date code on one of the shocks.
The last picture shows the original instruction sheet.
MJ
REAR WHEEL CYLINDERS AND WINDOW CRANKS!
When we dropped off the Superbird last week we had some NOS parts in the trunk to be installed.
Here are a couple of more of those items:
First up is the rear wheel cylinders. We had the originals restored but they were leaking.
The first two pictures show the NOS ones I found with the correct casting number 3461776.
The second item was a couple of NOS window cranks.
The last two pictures show those.
I am looking for one or two more real nice NOS ones that are in good shape.
If you can help respond to my parts wanted ad in the parts section of this site.
MJ
ENGINE OIL DIP STICK HANDLE PAINT!
A friend of mine who has a couple of 440 SIX PACK cars sent me some pictures of his original engine oil dip stick handle paint.
We had discussed this before and at the time his mostly original car was buried.
This reply has four pictures and I have another four in the next reply!
MJ
ENGINE OIL DIP STICK HANDLE PAINT PART 2!
Here I share four more pictures of an original 440 SIX PACK engine oil dip stick handle paint.
There has been some discussion as to how far down this handle should be painted.
If you study all 8 pictures from the last two replies you will see that the handle WAS NOT dipped all
the way down to where the stop was for the dip stick tube!
In addition there was plenty of paint on the handle as the extra ran down quite a ways!
MJ
Quote from: Mopar John on March 25, 2016, 04:56:43 PM
Quote from: birdsandbees on March 25, 2016, 11:50:26 AM
GREAT stuff John!!
A question, maybe it's the light, but I though the engine and the air cleaner top plate were the same colour. Just getting ready to do mine and would like to clarify if the air cleaner plate is indeed a darker orange? THANKS!
The engine and the air cleaner lid should not be the same color!
It's funny you bring this up as I have bought another set of decals for the air cleaner lid.
There has been some debate as to the color of the lid and I'm working my way through the issue!
I have been told that mine is too dark and should be lighter than the engine similar to a Fram oil filter?
MJ
I might be too late John - Frank has the proper formulation for the air cleaner lid paint.
Hats off to all the parts scrounging you did - I know how hard it can be to find correct stuff the last few years. :2thumbs:
Quote from: maxwellwedge on May 31, 2016, 12:39:31 PM
Quote from: Mopar John on March 25, 2016, 04:56:43 PM
Quote from: birdsandbees on March 25, 2016, 11:50:26 AM
GREAT stuff John!!
A question, maybe it's the light, but I though the engine and the air cleaner top plate were the same colour. Just getting ready to do mine and would like to clarify if the air cleaner plate is indeed a darker orange? THANKS!
The engine and the air cleaner lid should not be the same color!
It's funny you bring this up as I have bought another set of decals for the air cleaner lid.
There has been some debate as to the color of the lid and I'm working my way through the issue!
I have been told that mine is too dark and should be lighter than the engine similar to a Fram oil filter?
MJ
I might be too late John - Frank has the proper formulation for the air cleaner lid paint.
Hats off to all the parts scrounging you did - I know how hard it can be to find correct stuff the last few years. :2thumbs:
Jim,
You not too late!
After our last discussion a while back I bought enough paint to do the air cleaner lid and dip stick handle from Frank.
Those are a couple of the items being taken care of before Carlisle!
As far as finding correct parts goes it gets tougher every day!
MJ
PART NUMBERS AND SOME DATE CODES!
With the Superbird in the shop getting the final details taken care of I've been busy here sorting pictures and getting documentation together.
This batch of pictures shows some hard to find original items.
The first picture is of the original U-joints from the NOS driveshaft we used.
Notice the rear joint still has the special clips and tie strap to hold it together for assembly!
The second picture is a close up of the part number and date code 293 9 of the wiper motor.
Sadly this was one of the last wiper motors restored by Jules the wiperman before he passed away.
The third picture is a close up of the part number and date code 44th week 69 of the alternator.
The last picture is of the 440 SIX PACK fuel pump.
It has the part number 4845S and date code of 21 G 9.
ENJOY!
MJ
U-joints look famliar John, will look for some nice window cranks but don't know. Everthing looking great. :2thumbs:.
Quote from: 69rtse4spd on June 05, 2016, 09:21:04 PM
U-joints look famliar John, will look for some nice window cranks but don't know. Everthing looking great. :2thumbs:.
Jeff,
I would like to thank you again for selling me those rare NOS driveshafts for my wing cars!
I have only seen one A body NOS driveshaft for sale since then.
Thanks for the comments on the restoration!
MJ
Your welcome, will look for the window cranks, been busy.
BETTER TRANSMISSION SHIFTER LINKAGE BRACKET
Recently I have acquired some Mopar related parts from friends that I helped along the way with their projects.
The other day I was sorting through these parts and putting them away.
I came across a real nice transmission shifter linkage bracket.
It's in great shape and it has real nice original plating on it.
I'm sending it down to the shop to be installed.
Here's a picture of it.
MJ
Quote from: Mopar John on June 21, 2016, 03:32:57 PM
BETTER TRANSMISSION SHIFTER LINKAGE BRACKET
Recently I have acquired some Mopar related parts from friends that I helped along the way with their projects.
The other day I was sorting through these parts and putting them away.
I came across a real nice transmission shifter linkage bracket.
It's in great shape and it has real nice original plating on it.
I'm sending it down to the shop to be installed.
Here's a picture of it.
MJ
John, I agree the bracket does look nice but the bushing is not correct. That's a later issue style bushing. Correct one should be off white and one piece not slotted. I recognize this blue version as that is what I got from Chrysler when I ordered some new ones in the mid 80's. Correct ones were NSI at that time. :brickwall:
Quote from: Davtona on June 21, 2016, 09:59:17 PM
Quote from: Mopar John on June 21, 2016, 03:32:57 PM
BETTER TRANSMISSION SHIFTER LINKAGE BRACKET
Recently I have acquired some Mopar related parts from friends that I helped along the way with their projects.
The other day I was sorting through these parts and putting them away.
I came across a real nice transmission shifter linkage bracket.
It's in great shape and it has real nice original plating on it.
I'm sending it down to the shop to be installed.
Here's a picture of it.
MJ
John, I agree the bracket does look nice but the bushing is not correct. That's a later issue style bushing. Correct one should be off white and one piece not slotted. I recognize this blue version as that is what I got from Chrysler when I ordered some new ones in the mid 80's. Correct ones were NSI at that time. :brickwall:
Dave,
Thanks for pointing out the wrong color bushing!
There is always a fly in the ointment !@#$%^&*()!!
That same bushing is used on many of the cross shafts for column shift and column lockouts.
The problem is like you say their solid and you mess them up trying to remove them.
I think I have a nice one to swap out.
Thanks! John
Quote from: Mopar John on December 30, 2015, 05:58:07 PM
Doug,
The heater boxes themselves are done in house.
They recently had both stamps made for the correct yellow part number on the front covers!
MJ
John,
Do you have a picture of that? I'm not sure the part number stamp of a '68 box is the same as a '70.. Then, you mention there's a 2nd? Have the font size and type? There's a guy here locally who made my stamp for the '68 Hemi Charger R/T project I once had....... I just ordered my DMT non-a/c heater box rebuild kit and will do it as well at home.. I enjoyed doing the last couple I have done...
T
Quote from: hemi68charger on June 28, 2016, 10:20:24 AM
Quote from: Mopar John on December 30, 2015, 05:58:07 PM
Doug,
The heater boxes themselves are done in house.
They recently had both stamps made for the correct yellow part number on the front covers!
MJ
John,
Do you have a picture of that? I'm not sure the part number stamp of a '68 box is the same as a '70.. Then, you mention there's a 2nd? Have the font size and type? There's a guy here locally who made my stamp for the '68 Hemi Charger R/T project I once had....... I just ordered my DMT non-a/c heater box rebuild kit and will do it as well at home.. I enjoyed doing the last couple I have done...
T
Troy,
Here is a picture of my extra 1970 non A/C heater box part number 2936680.
I hope this is what you needed!
MJ
Quote from: Mopar John on June 29, 2016, 11:13:48 AM
..Troy,
Here is a picture of my extra 1970 non A/C heater box part number 2936680.
I hope this is what you needed!
MJ
Thanks John.. I see that on my box, but you mentioned something about "They recently had
both stamps made for the correct yellow part number on the front covers" Are you referring to 2 different year boxes? I was thinking you were talking about the Superbird heater box cover having two stamps instead of the one.......
Tr
Quote from: hemi68charger on June 30, 2016, 06:44:14 AM
Quote from: Mopar John on June 29, 2016, 11:13:48 AM
..Troy,
Here is a picture of my extra 1970 non A/C heater box part number 2936680.
I hope this is what you needed!
MJ
Thanks John.. I see that on my box, but you mentioned something about "They recently had both stamps made for the correct yellow part number on the front covers" Are you referring to 2 different year boxes? I was thinking you were talking about the Superbird heater box cover having two stamps instead of the one.......
Troy,
The Superbird just has the one part number stamped on it as shown.
When I was talking about two stamps being made one was for the Superbird/1970 and the other Daytona/1969.
The big difference between the two years is the heater core tubing sizes.
MJ
A PAIR OF NOS SILL PLATES!!!
What seems like yesterday but was actually 5 or 6 years ago I purchased one of the last pairs of NOS sill plates on the planet!
At that time I was thinking of installing them on the B5 Daytona.
I was lucky to get them from HEMIGENO who decided to have his originals restored and installed on his Daytona.
By the time I had them restored the Superbird was going together and I decided to use them on it.
I got a call from Troy Angelly earlier this week that my to do list was complete and the Superbird was ready for Carlisle! WOW!
This means that the NOS sill plates that were to go on last were installed.
I didn't want them to get dented or scratched while other work was being done!
I have attached the only picture I have of the sill plates unwrapped and ready to be installed.
MJ
Wow - Those are made from unobtainium! Nice!
Quote from: Mopar John on June 30, 2016, 09:45:47 AM
A PAIR OF NOS SILL PLATES!!!
They'll look good on the 'Bird, John. Glad to see them have a good home.
Took quite a while to find that "pair", as both of the single-plate sellers I bought them from had given up on ever finding a mate to the one they had.
Quote from: hemigeno on July 05, 2016, 09:49:47 AM
Quote from: Mopar John on June 30, 2016, 09:45:47 AM
A PAIR OF NOS SILL PLATES!!!
They'll look good on the 'Bird, John. Glad to see them have a good home.
Took quite a while to find that "pair", as both of the single-plate sellers I bought them from had given up on ever finding a mate to the one they had.
Thanks again Gene!
They will start out on the Superbird but probably transfer to the intended target the B5 Daytona.
I bought quite a few singles to make pairs and sets during the two restorations!
Loaded the for sale parts in the truck today!
Can't wait till next weekend!
MJ
2016 CHRYSLERS AT CARLISLE O.E. CERTIFICATION???
What happened to us at Chryslers at Carlisle 2016?
This was my first trip and sadly probably my last to Carlisle, Pennsylvania.
After 2 1/2 months with no results I decided last Friday that I had enough! :brickwall:
If you go to the 2017 event web site they state that they have two years under their belts now.
Then if you click on the read more tab in fine print it states 2106(2016) results soon!
I called the event manager and was able to speak with him at length this morning.
I made it simple just return my $525.00 entry fee.
MJ
Quote from: Mopar John on October 03, 2016, 06:01:21 PM
I made it simple just return my $525.00 entry fee.
MJ
Sorry to hear this John!
Quote from: Mopar John on October 03, 2016, 06:01:21 PM
2016 CHRYSLERS AT CARLISLE O.E. CERTIFICATION???
What happened to us at Chryslers at Carlisle 2016?
This was my first trip and sadly probably my last to Carlisle, Pennsylvania.
After 2 1/2 months with no results I decided last Friday that I had enough! :brickwall:
If you go to the 2017 event web site they state that they have two years under their belts now.
Then if you click on the read more tab in fine print it states 2106(2016) results soon!
I called the event manager and was able to speak with him at length this morning.
I made it simple just return my $525.00 entry fee.
MJ
?? were you supposed to be there in judging and they dropped the ball?
Quote from: hemi68charger on October 03, 2016, 07:44:39 PM
Quote from: Mopar John on October 03, 2016, 06:01:21 PM
2016 CHRYSLERS AT CARLISLE O.E. CERTIFICATION???
What happened to us at Chryslers at Carlisle 2016?
This was my first trip and sadly probably my last to Carlisle, Pennsylvania.
After 2 1/2 months with no results I decided last Friday that I had enough! :brickwall:
If you go to the 2017 event web site they state that they have two years under their belts now.
Then if you click on the read more tab in fine print it states 2106(2016) results soon!
I called the event manager and was able to speak with him at length this morning.
I made it simple just return my $525.00 entry fee.
MJ
?? were you supposed to be there in judging and they dropped the ball?
Troy,
We brought the Superbird to the show on Thursday as requested.
I remained with the car Friday, Saturday and Sunday until the Carlisle folks asked us to empty the building so it could be secured!
At that point I thought all the judging work was complete and down to the final paperwork?
MJ
Quote from: Mopar John on October 04, 2016, 04:30:47 PM
Troy,
We brought the Superbird to the show on Thursday as requested.
I remained with the car Friday, Saturday and Sunday until the Carlisle folks asked us to empty the building so it could be secured!
At that point I thought all the judging work was complete and down to the final paperwork?
MJ
Oh, so they never judged your car.... (?) If so, man I'm sorry to hear that.......
Quote from: hemi68charger on October 05, 2016, 07:59:53 AM
Quote from: Mopar John on October 04, 2016, 04:30:47 PM
Troy,
We brought the Superbird to the show on Thursday as requested.
I remained with the car Friday, Saturday and Sunday until the Carlisle folks asked us to empty the building so it could be secured!
At that point I thought all the judging work was complete and down to the final paperwork?
MJ
Oh, so they never judged your car.... (?) If so, man I'm sorry to hear that.......
It appears the issue is that cars have been judged, but results have not been announced months after the fact. If the Carlisle website is correct, no one has received their results.
Quote from: Aero426 on October 05, 2016, 08:38:30 AM
It appears the issue is that cars have been judged, but results have not been announced months after the fact. If the Carlisle website is correct, no one has received their results.
BINGO!
I decided that I wouldn't comment on the Carlisle OE program until the results were posted on their site and we had our certification!
If you go to the Carlisle events site the 2016 OE results have been posted for a while now.
All four cars certified this year received the silver award.
Yesterday UPS dropped off a couple of packages which I thought were more presents for the grandkids?
When I opened the last one it was our certification award for the OE judging at Carlisle.
I have said a lot about what went wrong so I must tell you I was blown away when I opened the box.
It contained a real nice base with the 2016 OE results engraved and a large crystal vase to go on top! WOW!!
The only award that we have received in this class was our Concours D'Elegance class trophy from Louisville.
I was expecting a nice certificate with the results.
A real nice Christmas present!
MJ
Quote from: Mopar John on December 21, 2016, 10:30:56 AM
....A real nice Christmas present!
MJ
Congrad's John !!!! You and Linda should be proud... :2thumbs:
Congrats !
Very cool John! Early Christmas present! :2thumbs:
John....That was a nice surprise for sure! :2thumbs: Congrats, on all your hard work and determination, job well done!
Congrats! So what did they deduct points off for?? Those guys are way too picky for me...
Congratulations, John - some more awesome hardware for all that hard work!
:2thumbs:
Congrats. :2thumbs:
Good stuff - Congrats John.....I know the judging there is very......intense. I understand no one got a gold.
Well done :2thumbs:
congratulations :cheers:
Linda and I would like to thank EVERYONE for the kind comments and thoughts!
Many of you are the same people who helped the restoration with tough to find
original and correct NOS parts. Others notified us when there were hard to find
parts on EBAY. Then there were the ones who commented on the posts and
helped with those details. Last but not least were the ones that just cheered us on!
The Superbird would not be what it is today without all the help!
MJ
Quote from: maxwellwedge on December 21, 2016, 02:37:00 PM
Good stuff - Congrats John.....I know the judging there is very......intense. I understand no one got a gold.
Well done :2thumbs:
Jim,
To say the judging was VERY INTENSE is a good statement!
There were three of the most knowledgeable guys in our hobby looking over 4 pre-approved cars for 2 1/2 days!
Each with their own line of expertise aided by thousands of pictures and equipment.
They had high powered LED flashlights, a magnet to test filler thickness and a lift to see the bottom.
I have attached a few pictures of the Superbird on the lift to show those hard to see details.
Other than when the Superbird had it's turn on the lift the judges took turns looking at specific items on each car.
I stayed with it most of the show in case it needed to be started, moved or just answer a question.
MJ
Quote from: farm966 on December 21, 2016, 01:12:03 PM
Congrats! So what did they deduct points off for?? Those guys are way too picky for me...
Quote from: farm966 on December 21, 2016, 01:12:03 PM
Congrats! So what did they deduct points off for?? Those guys are way too picky for me...
farm966,
That is a fair question!
First of all there is no other OE judging like this!
I believe they have a base number of points for cars that I think is 2,000.
Then depending what options the car has they add points.
So a Superbird with an auto on the column would go off the base on the transmission
but a Superbird with a floor shifted console would have say 50 more points.
There are no best of show and each car is judged against it's points values.
These formulas and points are the property of the judges.
There are about 20 catagories with their own points values.
So I will list a couple of catagories that we aced.
The Superbird received a perfect score on emblems, stripes and decals 80 out of 80!
ALL of the decals and emblems were period correct NOS parts including the hard to find nose decals!
The Superbird with all the NOS received almost received perfect on the Grille/nose with 59 out of 60!
Now I will list a couple of catagories that we didn't do so well on.
The Superbird did poor on the engine compartment with a score of 172.25 out of 189.
It also did poor on documentation and received a score of 116 out of 132.
That one really hurt and I'll explain why.
We do not have any original dealer paperwork as I was the third owner.
We do not have a window sticker nor a broadcast sheet.
I bought this Superbird 40 years ago and would think that long term ownership should come into play more!
But all I have is a copy of the application for title in Indiana from the BMV where I had to surrender the
previous Illinois title. The Illinois title was used as the bill of sale where all the selling amounts and signatures were!
So I made notes during the show of the items that I found out were incorrect or missing.
The judges didn't have time to come get you and go over each item they found wrong.
So I have my summary and my list of items that I know need corrected.
I am sure that we can fix .7% and score GOLD which was the ultimate goal but we have decided not to go through that again!
One of the items that I almost cut my wrists on was the hood pin lanyards.
I spent a great deal of time searching for original "D" shaped hood pin clips and getting them replated.
Then I get docked for the wrong lanyards that hold them !%^&*()! OUCH!
I am told that the correct ones are crimped with a 4 sided crimp on the ends. Almost a square with rounded corners.
The ones that we had on the car had 6 sided crimps and look like a stop sign shape on the end.
The 6 sided ones are very common and when we got home I checked the ones on the Daytona.
I bought them from a well known expert and they have the 6 sided crimps???
I have since found an NOS pair of the correct lanyards and installed them on the Superbird.
I don't know what the point loss was for the lanyards but we are now 94.3% +!
Enough for now!
MJ
Thanks for the info. I had no idea it was that detail oriented. I tip my hat to you as that is a lot of frustration to go through. You car is beautiful, but to get to the point where you are at now took many, many extra hours and buckets full of cash.
David
While all this stuff is fresh in my mind I would like the folks with survivor Superbirds a question.
If you think you have the ORIGINAL rear package tray I would like for you to get a light and
look up above the spare tire through the holes in the package shelf and tell me what color the
insulation is on the bottom of your ORIGINAL package tray?
Maybe you could hold your camera or phone and take a picture?
This information would be most helpful to me and others will be interested!
Thanks! MJ
SUPERBIRD WINS BEST OF SHOW!
After we returned from the Carlisle show we looked at our local car show schedule.
We decided to make our first show the fall car show and swap meet in Valparaiso, Indiana.
There were close to 400 vehicles of all types in a participant style voting.
They award trophies to the top 50 entries along with a best engine, best paint and the best of show.
At the awards ceremony they skipped over our number for the top 50 trophy??
The reason was that they were going to give us that at the end with the best of show trophy!
It was nice to be back home and see a bunch of our local Mopar guys and gals.
MJ
Congrats! Move that trophy from the door....it's going to fall and scratch it! :nana:
Quote from: Mopar John on December 22, 2016, 10:35:25 AM
Then I get docked for the wrong lanyards that hold them !%^&*()! OUCH!
I am told that the correct ones are crimped with a 4 sided crimp on the ends. Almost a square with rounded corners.
The ones that we had on the car had 6 sided crimps and look like a stop sign shape on the end.
The 6 sided ones are very common and when we got home I checked the ones on the Daytona.
I've been told also John the assembly line correct lanyards have one end that is shiny like stainless and the other end is dark colored. Both ends are not plated the same. Why they did that I have no idea. I don't think I've seen the 6 sided version. Learn something new everyday. The correct 18" Daytona lanyards are hard to find. At least they were for me. :2thumbs:
Mine are 6 sided, both ends, and on there when I bought the car in 1989 and no reason to believe that they're reproductions. :rotz: :shruggy:
Quote from: Davtona on December 30, 2016, 10:51:15 PM
Quote from: Mopar John on December 22, 2016, 10:35:25 AM
Then I get docked for the wrong lanyards that hold them !%^&*()! OUCH!
I am told that the correct ones are crimped with a 4 sided crimp on the ends. Almost a square with rounded corners.
The ones that we had on the car had 6 sided crimps and look like a stop sign shape on the end.
The 6 sided ones are very common and when we got home I checked the ones on the Daytona.
I've been told also John the assembly line correct lanyards have one end that is shiny like stainless and the other end is dark colored. Both ends are not plated the same. Why they did that I have no idea. I don't think I've seen the 6 sided version. Learn something new everyday. The correct 18" Daytona lanyards are hard to find. At least they were for me. :2thumbs:
Dave,
Were you able to find NOS ASSEMBLY LINE 18" Daytona lanyards with one end stainless and one end blackened?
MJ
Quote from: birdsandbees on December 30, 2016, 10:56:36 PM
Mine are 6 sided, both ends, and on there when I bought the car in 1989 and no reason to believe that they're reproductions. :rotz: :shruggy:
They may not be reproductions as there probably weren't any in 1989. I would guess they are later issue Mopar lanyards. :shruggy:
Quote from: Davtona on December 31, 2016, 10:18:32 AM
Quote from: birdsandbees on December 30, 2016, 10:56:36 PM
Mine are 6 sided, both ends, and on there when I bought the car in 1989 and no reason to believe that they're reproductions. :rotz: :shruggy:
They may not be reproductions as there probably weren't any in 1989. I would guess they are later issue Mopar lanyards. :shruggy:
I agree with Dave's comment above.
Maybe for a short time you could get NOS Mopar replacements?
Then the blackened ends went away and eventually superceded to a different supplier with the 6 sided crimp.
The blackened end might have been an aid for assembly line workers on which end to fasten to the body and the other end for the clip?
I will post some pictures of these soon!
MJ
John, we haven't talked in a while. Congrats on the 'Bird - and Daytona restorations. Weren't you close to selling me that 'Tona in the 1980's but I didn't buy it because you wouldn't toss in a spare scissor jack? -LOL. I feel your pain on that level of judging and the lanyard issue. The 400 mile Cosworth Vega you saw in my garage missed a Chevy Vett Fest Gold spinner because it didn't have the dealer installed front license plate installed. It was still in the original GM package on the back floor (where it should be). They told me since the car was delivered to an Illinois dealership, it had to be installed to be a "correct" car. I wasn't happy for a few days, but then laughed about it. Never went back to that show and was the last time I took a "judged" car show serious.
Your 'Bird and 'Tona are beautiful. You guys did a great job. Hope to meet up with you in 2017.
-SB Steve - Chicagoland.
Quote from: Mopar John on December 31, 2016, 10:12:01 AM
Dave,
Were you able to find NOS ASSEMBLY LINE 18" Daytona lanyards with one end stainless and one end blackened?
MJ
Yes John I have a set. From my records it looks like it was an September of 2014 Ebay purchase. I haven't pulled them out of storage yet but my notes on them state: "Assembly Line Correct One End Black 18" Cables" So I am real sure they are correct. Only about the 3rd set I have ever seen. Gene's car has a set I know. I missed another set a long while back that were in a complete hood pin kit that sold for around $600. That's the problem they are usually mixed in complete kits and they go for quite a bit. The 18" version seems to be a lot harder to find than the 24". I ran across a 24" set a while back at a swap meet. Needless to say I did not argue the reasonable price.
Quote from: Mopar John on December 31, 2016, 10:41:30 AM
Maybe for a short time you could get NOS Mopar replacements?
Then the blackened ends went away and eventually superceded to a different supplier with the 6 sided crimp.
John, Here are links to what Mitchell Motors sells. Are these what you are describing? These I think are NOS Mopar parts. These would still be considered NOS. Just not assembly line correct lanyards. It gets maddening doesn't it. Must be some reason we put ourselves thru this.
http://www.ebay.com/itm/1970-71-72-73-74-Challenger-Cuda-GTX-Charger-NOS-MoPar-18-Inch-Hood-Pin-LANYARDS-/401137456454?hash=item5d65a7d546:g:F14AAOxyzHxRMNKA&vxp=mtr
http://www.ebay.com/itm/1970-71-72-73-74-Challenger-Cuda-GTX-Charger-NOS-MoPar-23-Inch-Hood-Pin-LANYARDS-/361581842351?hash=item542ff50faf:g:etcAAMXQlUNRMNAn&vxp=mtr
Quote from: bannedbird on December 31, 2016, 11:58:29 AM
John, we haven't talked in a while. Congrats on the 'Bird - and Daytona restorations. Weren't you close to selling me that 'Tona in the 1980's but I didn't buy it because you wouldn't toss in a spare scissor jack? -LOL. I feel your pain on that level of judging and the lanyard issue. The 400 mile Cosworth Vega you saw in my garage missed a Chevy Vett Fest Gold spinner because it didn't have the dealer installed front license plate installed. It was still in the original GM package on the back floor (where it should be). They told me since the car was delivered to an Illinois dealership, it had to be installed to be a "correct" car. I wasn't happy for a few days, but then laughed about it. Never went back to that show and was the last time I took a "judged" car show serious.
Your 'Bird and 'Tona are beautiful. You guys did a great job. Hope to meet up with you in 2017.
-SB Steve - Chicagoland.
Steve,
Back then the Daytona that I was trying to sell was the B5 car which turned out to be the more valuable one and the one we restored.
Glad your still at it!
MJ
HOOD PIN LANYARDS!
I took some pictures of all the different lanyards!
The first picture shows 3 sets of lanyards laying on the Superbird.
The pair attached to the car are the recently purchased 23" measured from hole to hole on each end.
These are the correct length and correct 4 sided crimps on the ends!
The other new looking pair is what was on the Superbird at Carlisle and they were NOS!
There are two problems with these. 1) They are the newer 6 sided crimps and 2) They are 24" long.
The last pair are the originals off the Superbird!
They are 23" long and have 4 sided crimps and one blackened end on each.
If anyone has a pair of NOS 23" lanyards with 4 sided crimps and one blackened end I would be interested!
The second picture shows a close up of the original Superbird lanyards with 4 sided crimps and blackened ends on each.
The last picture shows NOS 18" lanyards on the Daytona.
Same story should be 4 sided crimps and one blackened end.
Hope this helps confuse everyone!
MJ
More On Lanyards!
I have received a couple of PM's on hood pin lanyards.
So I have attached a couple more pictures.
The first one shows that the NOS lanyards that I had on the Superbird were actually 25" long not 24" long as previously stated.
I bought these NOS and were on the Superbird a short time.
Does any one know what the application would be for 25" lanyards?
I would like to sell those to someone who needs them as they are hard to find NOS.
The second picture shows a close up of what the 6 sided crimps look like.
MJ
Quote from: Mopar John on January 01, 2017, 04:00:19 PM
More On Lanyards!
Does any one know what the application would be for 25" lanyards?
Section 15-11-78 in the 70/71 parts book references a 26" cable. #3579673 is the part number for the whole hood pin package and it references 1971 cars R & W. (B Bodies) I believe the 25" actual length is called out as 26" in the hard to understand at times parts book. Also I remember hearing the longer 25"/26" cable possibly has a 70 Coronet application. Maybe someone can confirm or deny this application. :shruggy:
Hey guys, I think I have a set or 2 of NOS assembly line Daytona 18" lanyards. I'll look for them...
I might need a pair.
The real deal nos assembly line 69 Daytona lanyards.
4 sided crimps, 18" long-eye to eye, one shiny end, one blackened end.
Nice.. but we're in his Superbird restoration thread! :yesnod: Are they to be the same as the Daytona or what is correct... :shruggy:
Quote from: birdsandbees on January 02, 2017, 05:46:59 PM
Nice.. but we're in his Superbird restoration thread! :yesnod: Are they to be the same as the Daytona or what is correct... :shruggy:
Yes the same I believe except for the length. Daytona's are 18" Superbird's are 23". :Twocents:
Thanks! Will have to measure mine.
Quote from: birdsandbees on January 02, 2017, 05:46:59 PM
Nice.. but we're in his Superbird restoration thread! :yesnod: Are they to be the same as the Daytona or what is correct... :shruggy:
Oooopzzz!!! But John did bring it up by showing a pic of his Daytona lanyards.... :Twocents:
Quote from: odcics2 on January 02, 2017, 10:45:38 PM
Quote from: birdsandbees on January 02, 2017, 05:46:59 PM
Nice.. but we're in his Superbird restoration thread! :yesnod: Are they to be the same as the Daytona or what is correct... :shruggy:
Oooopzzz!!! But John did bring it up by showing a pic of his Daytona lanyards.... :Twocents:
:2thumbs:
Quote from: birdsandbees on January 02, 2017, 10:54:37 PM
Quote from: odcics2 on January 02, 2017, 10:45:38 PM
Quote from: birdsandbees on January 02, 2017, 05:46:59 PM
Nice.. but we're in his Superbird restoration thread! :yesnod: Are they to be the same as the Daytona or what is correct... :shruggy:
Oooopzzz!!! But John did bring it up by showing a pic of his Daytona lanyards.... :Twocents:
:2thumbs:
Maybe I can put an 18" set on my Acme Lanyard Stretcher and get them to 23"! :lol:
Congrats!! She is truly beautiful. :2thumbs:
I do have one questions and it may be a stupid question. The "Plymouth" decals on the quarters are white. Is that correct? I always thought an EK2 car came with black and the EV2 came with white.
Quote from: wingcarenvy on January 03, 2017, 07:14:14 PM
Congrats!! She is truly beautiful. :2thumbs:
I do have one questions and it may be a stupid question. The "Plymouth" decals on the quarters are white. Is that correct? I always thought an EK2 car came with black and the EV2 came with white.
THANKS!
If you go way back to when I started posting about the restoration you will see original white quarter and wing decals on the Superbird when I bought it way back in 1976.
There have been some other documented EK2 Superbirds with white decals also. The black decals were on the majority of the EK2 Superbirds though.
MJ
Thanks for clarifying. I have following this thread all along but my memory isn't all that great.
This is a perfect example why anyone restoring a car should do it to the way THEIR car was built.
Don't take the easy road and copy other folks work! :rotz:
Research, research, and more research into the car you are doing, all the way back to Day 1.
Another detail that separates the men from the boys! :coolgleamA: :2thumbs:
Quote from: odcics2 on January 08, 2017, 07:27:54 AM
This is a perfect example why anyone restoring a car should do it to the way THEIR car was built.
Don't take the easy road and copy other folks work! :rotz:
Research, research, and more research into the car you are doing, all the way back to Day 1.
Another detail that separates the men from the boys! :coolgleamA: :2thumbs:
I have been in touch with the 3rd and 2nd owners of my car and found the original owner had the dealer install the chrome rally mirrors very early on into his ownership. the original owner was a dentist and had passed before I started documenting my car.
I hung the chrome rallys back on just because they look so frickin natural and can easily be swapped out for the factory equipped mirrors.
SUPERBIRD 440 SIX BARREL FUEL LINE / VACUM LINE "S" CLIP
I thought I'd let all the January auction frenzy pass and now get back to restoration details.
So another small detail that I found out that we were missing on our SIX BARREL Superbird was the fuel line/vacuum line "S" clip.
I was able to buy a correct NOS One and clip it on.
I believe this clip is to keep the vacuum hose from drooping down onto the hot heat riser just below?
My first picture is of the NOS "S" clip.
The second picture is a close up of the "S" clip installed.
The last picture is an overall of that area.
I would like to see if any "ORIGINAL" ones are out there still in place?
If so could you share a picture with us?
Thanks! MJ
Years ago when I had six barrel cars I used the "S" clip from the torsion bars for the trunk lid. Same clip? WINGNUT
All my Six packs and Hemi's have the "S" clip.....
More...
Thanks Jim!
It looks like I found the correct clip and have it in the right spot.
One more thing off the list!
MJ
Quote from: Wingnut426 on January 25, 2017, 01:32:15 PM
Years ago when I had six barrel cars I used the "S" clip from the torsion bars for the trunk lid. Same clip? WINGNUT
I used the ones that hold the transmission lines together you often see. My first unrestored v-code '70 Charger R/T had the clip on the rear carb fuel line in the exact same spot as Jim's 'Bird.
Quote from: hemi68charger on January 25, 2017, 04:18:34 PM
Quote from: Wingnut426 on January 25, 2017, 01:32:15 PM
Years ago when I had six barrel cars I used the "S" clip from the torsion bars for the trunk lid. Same clip? WINGNUT
I used the ones that hold the transmission lines together you often see. My first unrestored v-code '70 Charger R/T had the clip on the rear carb fuel line in the exact same spot as Jim's 'Bird.
Interesting bit of information with this clip John. Me being somewhat new to Six Packs I am learning the quirks of them piece by piece. I recently bought a factory original 6 pack fuel line setup mainly so I could get a original set of the brass tees. The repops are obviously not the same as the originals so I wanted an original set to see the markings on the back / underside. Anyway attached to the lines was one of these clips in excellent condition. Now I know what its for. :2thumbs: Looks like I need to find another one for the Hemi though based on Jim's 2nd picture. :rotz:
Troy I think these clips are maybe not quite the same as the transmission line clips. The one I have the two "loops" in the S are different diameters. As in one diameter for the metal tube and a smaller one for the hose.
I'd be interested if anyone has pics of the lettering on the brass tees. I've seen the Weatherhead logo and the Eaton logo also. Which / What is correct or are both? :scratchchin:
So the same clip that holds the fuel main line and vapor return line as it runs along the rockers?
Frank Badalson sells the correct S clip
I seem to remember seeing mostly the Weatherhead logo on the brass blocks.
Quote from: Davtona on January 25, 2017, 08:03:39 PM
Quote from: hemi68charger on January 25, 2017, 04:18:34 PM
Quote from: Wingnut426 on January 25, 2017, 01:32:15 PM
Years ago when I had six barrel cars I used the "S" clip from the torsion bars for the trunk lid. Same clip? WINGNUT
I used the ones that hold the transmission lines together you often see. My first unrestored v-code '70 Charger R/T had the clip on the rear carb fuel line in the exact same spot as Jim's 'Bird.
Interesting bit of information with this clip John. Me being somewhat new to Six Packs I am learning the quirks of them piece by piece. I recently bought a factory original 6 pack fuel line setup mainly so I could get a original set of the brass tees. The repops are obviously not the same as the originals so I wanted an original set to see the markings on the back / underside. Anyway attached to the lines was one of these clips in excellent condition. Now I know what its for. :2thumbs: Looks like I need to find another one for the Hemi though based on Jim's 2nd picture. :rotz:
Troy I think these clips are maybe not quite the same as the transmission line clips. The one I have the two "loops" in the S are different diameters. As in one diameter for the metal tube and a smaller one for the hose.
I'd be interested if anyone has pics of the lettering on the brass tees. I've seen the Weatherhead logo and the Eaton logo also. Which / What is correct or are both? :scratchchin:
Dave,
When you get a chance I would like for you to measure your SIX PACK "S" clip for overall height and width.
I would like to compare it with the clips in my next post.
Thanks! MJ
S CLIPS CONTINUED!
This topic has done what I wished it would do by sharing information and getting things right!
I have attached two pictures to help us.
The first picture will show three different "S" clips laying on their sides.
The second picture will show the same clips laying face up.
Clip #1 is a known fuel line "S" clip and is 3/4" tall and 1/4" wide with two different sized openings.
Clip #2 is a known trunk torsion rod "S" clip and is 3/4" tall and 5/16" wide with the same size openings.
Clip #3 is an unknown "S" clip and is 7/8" tall and 3/8" wide that I would like to identify.
If someone has an original clip on the transmission cooling lines I would be curious to it's height and width.
I have also asked Davtona to measure the clip in his post.
Thanks! MJ
None of the above John. Mine is .25" wide x .62 " tall. So roughly 1/4 wide by 5/8 long. One loop's ID is .25" in diameter and the other is .315". So 1/4 x 5/16" I would say.
I'm also thinking #3 on your list is for the transmissions cooling lines. Looks like a double loop for 3/8" tubes.
:popcrn:
Quote from: Davtona on January 26, 2017, 09:05:24 PM
None of the above John. Mine is .25" wide x .62 " tall. So roughly 1/4 wide by 5/8 long. One loop's ID is .25" in diameter and the other is .315". So 1/4 x 5/16" I would say.
I'm also thinking #3 on your list is for the transmissions cooling lines. Looks like a double loop for 3/8" tubes.
:popcrn:
Dave,
Thanks for the quick reply and measurements!
I will agree that my #3 clip is the transmission line clip due to it's size and strength.
If you look close at my #1 clip it is a bit distorted from being installed and the larger opening is not round.
I think that if I make that larger opening round it's close to the same clip you have.
Now if you clip the large opening onto the fuel line I don't see how the small end is going to fit on a SIX PACK or HEMI vacuum line.
Also your clip would have the vacum hose right up against the fuel line.
Now with that in mind go back and look at Jim's (maxwellwedge) pictures and you will see there is a gap between the clipped fuel line and vacuum line in both pictures.
The only clip that I currently have that would leave that gap is clip #3.
MJ
I have a close up with a transmission line "S" clip installed and then tried to duplicate Jim's engine view.
Out of the three clips I have only #3 fits and has a gap between the hose and the line.
MJ
Quote from: hemi68charger on January 25, 2017, 04:18:34 PM
Quote from: Wingnut426 on January 25, 2017, 01:32:15 PM
Years ago when I had six barrel cars I used the "S" clip from the torsion bars for the trunk lid. Same clip? WINGNUT
I used the ones that hold the transmission lines together you often see. My first unrestored v-code '70 Charger R/T had the clip on the rear carb fuel line in the exact same spot as Jim's 'Bird.
Troy,
I think that after all the comparisons you were correct.
MJ
Quote from: Mopar John on January 05, 2017, 10:38:58 AM
Quote from: wingcarenvy on January 03, 2017, 07:14:14 PM
Congrats!! She is truly beautiful. :2thumbs:
I do have one questions and it may be a stupid question. The "Plymouth" decals on the quarters are white. Is that correct? I always thought an EK2 car came with black and the EV2 came with white.
THANKS!
If you go way back to when I started posting about the restoration you will see original white quarter and wing decals on the Superbird when I bought it way back in 1976.
There have been some other documented EK2 Superbirds with white decals also. The black decals were on the majority of the EK2 Superbirds though.
MJ
Regarding the PLYMOUTH decal color, is this another Superbird secret we are not to talk about? LOL. I haven't read every post relating to this, but in the 1980's we understood why 3 of the body colors had different PLYMOUTH colors... didn't we? I thought we had documentation that stated that the decal color was driven by body paint PLUS another factor. Sorry to not share more, but I may be totally wrong here with an urban legend. So PM me if you know why John's Bird (and other colors) had different color letters.
John, sorry I missed the part in this post on you looking for package tray images. My car timing is first 25% of cars built: 165381 and Clairpointe arrival 14-NOV. Although the new vinyl top and repaint were 1977, the interior appears untouched. The top face image shows the package tray pattern: I assume it is original.
Steve,
Those pictures of the material under the Superbird package tray are exactly what I was looking for.
They appear to be a black/brown mix almost like the jute padding under the cowl?
Does anyone have a beat up package shelf with that material on it that they would be willing to part with?
Thanks!
ORIGINAL SUPERBIRD CIGARETTE LIGHTERS???
Over the years I have purchased some good used and NOS cigarette lighter knobs and cigarette lighter elements.
I would like to compare them and see if we can decide which ones are correct for a Superbird?
I will start out with the knobs.
In my first picture you will see a side view of the knobs numbered 1 through 3.
Knob #1 has a knurled edge which I've been told came later for safety?
Knob #2 is more tapered and has a sharp line just before the bottom taper.
Knob #3 has a straight angle and no line before the bottom taper.
In my second picture you will see a top view of the knobs numbered again 1 through 3.
I would like to point out here that knobs #1 and #3 have the same pattern in the circles.
Knob #2 is just a little bigger in diameter and the outside ring is just a bit bigger.
Let me know what you know and what you have on your Superbirds ( Daytonas are ok also ).
MJ
ORIGINAL SUPERBIRD CIGARETTE LIGHTERS PART 2 ELEMENTS??
Here we get into the cigarette lighter elements all bought as NOS correct.
In my first picture you will again see 3 different elements numbered #1 through #3 looking down into the element end.
Element #1 has a beaded edge and was recently bought under the correct part number 3004190.
Elements #2 and #3 have the straight and sharp outside edge in the element also bought under part number 3004190.
In my second picture you will see the elements from the top where the knob screws in.
Elements #1 and #2 look similar in this respect.
Element #3 has a black material here.
I will continue with pictures of the sides next!
MJ
Quote from: bannedbird on January 28, 2017, 03:11:55 PM
John, sorry I missed the part in this post on you looking for package tray images. My car timing is first 25% of cars built: 165381 and Clairpointe arrival 14-NOV. Although the new vinyl top and repaint were 1977, the interior appears untouched. The top face image shows the package tray pattern: I assume it is original.
John..
Not sure how you did yours, but how do I get the rear portion of the package tray I have now bend down. The one I have is completely flat. The ones I have seen in survivors have the rear end of the package tray bend down...
ORIGINAL SUPERBIRD CIGARETTE LIGHTERS PART 3 ELEMENTS CONTINUED??
Here I will show pictures of each element and the print stamped into each.
Element #1 has "72 CASCO 12V".
Element #2 has "CASCO 12V".
Element #3 has "CUNO 12V" and also has a U shaped slot in the side.
I am going to assume here that #1 has something to do with the year 1972 and is a superceded part for us?
Let me know what you think is original for our Superbirds?
Thanks! MJ
Quote from: hemi68charger on January 30, 2017, 02:53:30 PM
Quote from: bannedbird on January 28, 2017, 03:11:55 PM
John, sorry I missed the part in this post on you looking for package tray images. My car timing is first 25% of cars built: 165381 and Clairpointe arrival 14-NOV. Although the new vinyl top and repaint were 1977, the interior appears untouched. The top face image shows the package tray pattern: I assume it is original.
John..
Not sure how you did yours, but how do I get the rear portion of the package tray I have now bend down. The one I have is completely flat. The ones I have seen in survivors have the rear end of the package tray bend down...
Troy,
What I did was get the back end in there correctly and let it sit for a while and let gravity bring it down.
I was afraid to force it and crack it!
MJ
Quote from: Mopar John on January 30, 2017, 03:00:00 PM
Quote from: hemi68charger on January 30, 2017, 02:53:30 PM
Quote from: bannedbird on January 28, 2017, 03:11:55 PM
John, sorry I missed the part in this post on you looking for package tray images. My car timing is first 25% of cars built: 165381 and Clairpointe arrival 14-NOV. Although the new vinyl top and repaint were 1977, the interior appears untouched. The top face image shows the package tray pattern: I assume it is original.
John..
Not sure how you did yours, but how do I get the rear portion of the package tray I have now bend down. The one I have is completely flat. The ones I have seen in survivors have the rear end of the package tray bend down...
Troy,
What I did was get the back end in there correctly and let it sit for a while and let gravity bring it down.
I was afraid to force it and crack it!
MJ
OK... Wonder if it is moistened in that area if it'll bend as well or break..... :2thumbs:
Quote from: hemi68charger on January 30, 2017, 03:17:57 PM
Quote from: Mopar John on January 30, 2017, 03:00:00 PM
Quote from: hemi68charger on January 30, 2017, 02:53:30 PM
Quote from: bannedbird on January 28, 2017, 03:11:55 PM
John, sorry I missed the part in this post on you looking for package tray images. My car timing is first 25% of cars built: 165381 and Clairpointe arrival 14-NOV. Although the new vinyl top and repaint were 1977, the interior appears untouched. The top face image shows the package tray pattern: I assume it is original.
John..
Not sure how you did yours, but how do I get the rear portion of the package tray I have now bend down. The one I have is completely flat. The ones I have seen in survivors have the rear end of the package tray bend down...
Troy,
What I did was get the back end in there correctly and let it sit for a while and let gravity bring it down.
I was afraid to force it and crack it!
MJ
OK... Wonder if it is moistened in that area if it'll bend as well or break..... :2thumbs:
I didn't show mine much mercy and it more or less went into place. Irritating how far off the material is from original, though.
Quote from: Mopar John on January 30, 2017, 02:41:44 PM
ORIGINAL SUPERBIRD CIGARETTE LIGHTERS???
Over the years I have purchased some good used and NOS cigarette lighter knobs and cigarette lighter elements.
I would like to compare them and see if we can decide which ones are correct for a Superbird?
I will start out with the knobs.
In my first picture you will see a side view of the knobs numbered 1 through 3.
Knob #1 has a knurled edge which I've been told came later for safety?
Knob #2 is more tapered and has a sharp line just before the bottom taper.
Knob #3 has a straight angle and no line before the bottom taper.
In my second picture you will see a top view of the knobs numbered again 1 through 3.
I would like to point out here that knobs #1 and #3 have the same pattern in the circles.
Knob #2 is just a little bigger in diameter and the outside ring is just a bit bigger.
Let me know what you know and what you have on your Superbirds ( Daytonas are ok also ).
MJ
I have not gotten any help on this so I'll take a stab at it!
Knob #1 has the knurled edge and goes with the 72 CASCO 12V element.
This would be for 1972 and later Mopars.
Knob #2 With more taper and sharp line is next.
I have seen this knob used on the earlier cars starting in 1966 up through 1969.
I found one of these in my Daytona.
Knob #3 with the straight angle with no line is last.
I found this type in my Superbird and believe it was used in 1970 and 1971.
If anyone out there has originals please add to the discussion with a picture!
MJ
Next time I get access to my car, I'll get a picture.
John, I don't know the answer to which lighter is correct for 1970. However your lighter # 3 is what is in my Daytona originally. Here's a pic. :2thumbs:
Quote from: Davtona on February 07, 2017, 08:07:15 PM
John, I don't know the answer to which lighter is correct for 1970. However your lighter # 3 is what is in my Daytona originally. Here's a pic. :2thumbs:
Dave,
Thanks for your reply with the important close up picture!
We need a few more of these examples for both 1969 Daytonas and 1970 Superbirds to form some type of opinion on these.
MJ
Quote from: Davtona on February 07, 2017, 08:07:15 PM
John, I don't know the answer to which lighter is correct for 1970. However your lighter # 3 is what is in my Daytona originally. Here's a pic. :2thumbs:
Whoops sorry forgot to clarify. Yes it does say cuno 12 v on the barrel and it has the U shaped slot on the side? :2thumbs:
ANOTHER ITEM CHECKED OFF THE WANT LIST!
They are not happening as often because the list is short but every once in a while I score a rare item that I'm looking for!
If you go back in my story to reply #744 you will see that I have a picture of the NOS exhaust hangers.
In the picture is only one hanger part number 2856265 for the exhaust tips !@#$%^&*(!
We ended up using the best of the used ones that we could find for the other side.
Troy and the guys did a nice job cleaning and detailing the used one but if you get out a magnifying glass you can see the difference.
The used one is a little too smooth especially the edges and the die marks are almost gone.
Recently a single popped up on EBAY and I was able to purchase it at a reasonable price.
It will be sent down to the shop for some light cleaning and rust prevention then swapped out with the used one!
MJ
Quote from: hemi68charger on January 30, 2017, 02:53:30 PM
Quote from: bannedbird on January 28, 2017, 03:11:55 PM
John, sorry I missed the part in this post on you looking for package tray images. My car timing is first 25% of cars built: 165381 and Clairpointe arrival 14-NOV. Although the new vinyl top and repaint were 1977, the interior appears untouched. The top face image shows the package tray pattern: I assume it is original.
John..
Not sure how you did yours, but how do I get the rear portion of the package tray I have now bend down. The one I have is completely flat. The ones I have seen in survivors have the rear end of the package tray bend down...
I remember my rear shelve: Not bent, it was molded that way... That odd pattern on top is original!!
RED DISTRIBUTOR CAP BOOT FOR THE COIL WIRE!
We have discussed this very rare part in another post.
Today I took my NOS red boot and installed it on the Superbird.
MJ
Quote from: Mopar John on November 21, 2017, 07:51:17 PM
RED DISTRIBUTOR CAP BOOT FOR THE COIL WIRE!
We have discussed this very rare part in another post.
Today I took my NOS red boot and installed it on the Superbird.
MJ
Ah heck... Now I gotta get one !!! :rofl:
2018 MOPARS at the RED BARNS!
Sometimes it takes an event like the 2018 Mopars at the Red Barns to get things going!
The show is held at the Gilmore Car Museum as it's known now in Hickory Corners Michigan.
This years show will be this Saturday July 28th sponsored by the Western Michigan Mopar Club.
This is a regional show that usually draws a couple hundred Mopars and a nice swap meet.
First a friend of mine contacted me a couple of weeks ago and then my brother in law last weekend about going.
I decided that we would try to go again with our Superbird.
Last time we tried we got up there and it rained hard all day.
So we visited the Daytona on display there and came back home.
The problem with this years show is that I still had parts down at Troy Angelly's shop for the Superbird.
So yesterday 426 Linda and I left at 7am for Troy's shop that is a good 5 hour drive to Eldorado, Illinois.
Troy has recently moved his business to the old Eldorado, Illinois Chrysler Plymouth dealership!
I have attached a few pictures of the dealership building as it looks today.
If anyone has a car from there or pictures back in the day he would like to see them!
Troy plans to restore the showroom back to the dealership days and put a couple of finished cars in the showroom!
We had a tour of the new facility that will add a new collision shop as a separate business.
After the tour and a nice visit we picked up our finished Superbird parts and headed home.
We got back home just after 9pm with the parts.
I will be posting about them as I install them on the Superbird!
MJ
NOS EXHAUST TIP HANGER!
One of the items we brought back from Troy Angelly's new shop yesterday was an NOS exhaust tip hanger.
I posted about this part not too long ago having found a second one part number 2856265.
When the Superbird was being restored I could only find a single NOS tip hanger.
My first picture shows my best used one restored and on the Superbird earlier today.
The next 2 pictures show top and bottom views of the restored used one next to the NOS one that Troy removed the surface rust from.
The NOS tip hanger is not pitted and has the die marks that seasoned judges look for.
The last picture shows the NOS one installed on the Superbird!
MJ
CORRECT LEAF SPRING SHACKLES FOR A SUPERBIRD!
While I was under the Superbird for the exhaust tip hanger I took care of another item that I brought back from Troy Angelly's shop.
This item was a pair of correct leaf spring shackles. One of the judges at Carlisle informed us that we had one correct and one wrong leaf spring shackle!@#$%^&*!
So after I was schooled on what was correct I put out some want ads and got a reply from a guy in California with a real nice pair.
The only problem is that they had some kind of yellow/gold paint on them.
I didn't want to bead blast them and loose some of the character so I sent them down to Troy to chemically remove the paint.
We also picked those up on Tuesday and are now installed!
The first picture shows one of the leaf spring shackles removed.
The second picture shows one correct and one incorrect laying side by side.
The third picture shows the correct leaf spring shackle installed.
The last picture shows another view of the shackles with my notes.
The correct shackle has smaller side plates but shafts are just a touch bigger.
The other difference is that the correct hubs in the side plates are larger.
It's all so close you wouldn't notice from one side of the car to the other unless you were a well seasoned judge!
MJ
John, All I can say is HAT'S OFF! I will only have time, in my next life time, to pay that kind of attention to detail on my 'bird! Unfortunately, I'm told by some that the car among other things won't be coming with me! :angel:
Quote from: Mopar John on July 27, 2018, 06:18:07 PM
CORRECT LEAF SPRING SHACKLES FOR A SUPERBIRD!
While I was under the Superbird for the exhaust tip hanger I took care of another item that I brought back from Troy Angelly's shop.
This item was a pair of correct leaf spring shackles. One of the judges at Carlisle informed us that we had one correct and one wrong leaf spring shackle!@#$%^&*!
So after I was schooled on what was correct I put out some want ads and got a reply from a guy in California with a real nice pair.
The only problem is that they had some kind of yellow/gold paint on them.
I didn't want to bead blast them and loose some of the character so I sent them down to Troy to chemically remove the paint.
We also picked those up on Tuesday and are now installed!
The first picture shows one of the leaf spring shackles removed.
The second picture shows one correct and one incorrect laying side by side.
The third picture shows the correct leaf spring shackle installed.
The last picture shows another view of the shackles with my notes.
The correct shackle has smaller side plates but shafts are just a touch bigger.
The other difference is that the correct hubs in the side plates are larger.
It's all so close you wouldn't notice from one side of the car to the other unless you were a well seasoned judge!
MJ
Where did the 'bad' one come from? :shruggy:
Quote from: odcics2 on July 28, 2018, 07:27:56 AM
Quote from: Mopar John on July 27, 2018, 06:18:07 PM
CORRECT LEAF SPRING SHACKLES FOR A SUPERBIRD!
While I was under the Superbird for the exhaust tip hanger I took care of another item that I brought back from Troy Angelly's shop.
This item was a pair of correct leaf spring shackles. One of the judges at Carlisle informed us that we had one correct and one wrong leaf spring shackle!@#$%^&*!
So after I was schooled on what was correct I put out some want ads and got a reply from a guy in California with a real nice pair.
The only problem is that they had some kind of yellow/gold paint on them.
I didn't want to bead blast them and loose some of the character so I sent them down to Troy to chemically remove the paint.
We also picked those up on Tuesday and are now installed!
The first picture shows one of the leaf spring shackles removed.
The second picture shows one correct and one incorrect laying side by side.
The third picture shows the correct leaf spring shackle installed.
The last picture shows another view of the shackles with my notes.
The correct shackle has smaller side plates but shafts are just a touch bigger.
The other difference is that the correct hubs in the side plates are larger.
It's all so close you wouldn't notice from one side of the car to the other unless you were a well seasoned judge!
MJ
Where did the 'bad' one come from? :shruggy:
Here is what I think happened,
Years ago I decided to upgrade to a Dana rear end under this Superbird.
I probably looked at all the shackles and installed the ones that had the least amount of pitting not knowing what I know now!
When the Superbird was restored we again changed rear ends and went back to a 8 3/4 out of another 1970 B Body.
MJ
Quote from: Birdflu on July 27, 2018, 09:45:03 PM
John, All I can say is HAT'S OFF! I will only have time, in my next life time, to pay that kind of attention to detail on my 'bird! Unfortunately, I'm told by some that the car among other things won't be coming with me! :angel:
Thanks Gary!
Too bad I didn't have all the goodies back home and on the Superbird for your visit!
It also looks a lot better all shined up for the show.
More soon!
MJ
Looking forward to the updates! Which 'show' are you speaking of?
Quote from: Birdflu on July 30, 2018, 09:34:26 PM
Looking forward to the updates! Which 'show' are you speaking of?
The show we went to was the Mopars at the Red Barns on the Gilmore Car Museum grounds in Hickory Corners, Michigan.
It was last Saturday with around 400 cars and trucks.
There were 3 Daytonas and 6 Superbirds in the show!
MJ
2018 Mopars at the Red Barns!
Here are a couple of pictures of the Superbird on the show field.
The first one also shows the white Superbird of Zane and Janet Whitcomb from my home town of Westville, Indiana!
The second picture also has the Custom paint Superbird of fellow CMC members Pat and Cheryl McConnell.
The weather was great for the show and I quickly walked the swap area.
All I came home with was a very nice 1969-1970 style cigarette lighter knob that I installed on one of my NOS elements.
The last picture is of the NOS inside window cranks of which the last 4 were installed on the Superbird before the show!
MJ
Very NICE! :drool5:
I have to ask...what's with the white 'PLYMOUTH' on your EK2 car? The white letters on orange is why I migrate towards the EV2 cars, but yours is obviously EK2? Did some slip through with white letters? If so, since you didn't buy the car new, was it somewhat easy to verify? I thought they were all black? :scratchchin:
Quote from: Birdflu on July 31, 2018, 11:24:49 AM
Very NICE! :drool5:
I have to ask...what's with the white 'PLYMOUTH' on your EK2 car? The white letters on orange is why I migrate towards the EV2 cars, but yours is obviously EK2? Did some slip through with white letters? If so, since you didn't buy the car new, was it somewhat easy to verify? I thought they were all black? :scratchchin:
Gary,
If you go to page 3 on my B5 Daytona story you will see pictures of the Superbird from when I bought it in the early part of it's life.
It had mostly original paint back then with the white decals.
I have seen FJ5 green Superbirds with both white and black decals also.
So I don't think the Chrysler chart that many go by is 100%.
MJ
Interesting...thanks for the info!
Still making progress on the nicest superbird around! :cheers: Im happy to see the nose gasket straightend out. I was disapointed when I saw it at carlisle.
excuse the rotated photo.....Im fighting with my computer. :icon_smile_blackeye:
(http://pic100.picturetrail.com/VOL419/1016826/24447223/413966606.jpg)
Quote from: FJ5WING on August 01, 2018, 10:47:55 AM
Still making progress on the nicest superbird around! :cheers: Im happy to see the nose gasket straightend out. I was disapointed when I saw it at carlisle.
excuse the rotated photo.....Im fighting with my computer. :icon_smile_blackeye:
(http://pic100.picturetrail.com/VOL419/1016826/24447223/413966606.jpg)
I would like to thank Dave for his comments!
He has been restoring a Superbird at a very high level and knows his stuff.
His picture reminded me of the next thing to post about.
MJ
SUPERBIRD HOOD PIN WASHERS!
Here is another item that came up at the judging at Carlisle, hood pin washers.
My first picture shows the hood pin washer that was in place at Carlisle.
My second picture shows one of my original washers that I shipped down to Troy Angelly and had restored.
My third picture shows the 2 washers side by side and you can see that one is thicker than the other.
The thicker one is correct and you see it installed in my last picture.
Just another detail item off my list!
MJ
John, your Superbird turned out great. What a beautiful car. :2thumbs:
Quote from: Mopar John on August 07, 2018, 07:45:42 PM
SUPERBIRD HOOD PIN WASHERS!
Here is another item that came up at the judging at Carlisle, hood pin washers.
My first picture shows the hood pin washer that was in place at Carlisle.
My second picture shows one of my original washers that I shipped down to Troy Angelly and had restored.
My third picture shows the 2 washers side by side and you can see that one is thicker than the other.
The thicker one is correct and you see it installed in my last picture.
Just another detail item off my list!
MJ
Looks like size, in this case, thickness, matters!
:smilielol:
Quote from: wingcarenvy on August 07, 2018, 09:32:28 PM
John, your Superbird turned out great. What a beautiful car. :2thumbs:
Thanks a bunch!
MJ
Are those hood pin washers conical too?
Quote from: Charger-Bodie on August 08, 2018, 10:36:33 AM
Are those hood pin washers conical too?
Yes they are!
If you look closely at the second picture the thick washer laying there is raised up in the center.
MJ
Nice
ANOTHER 2944450 WHEEL STORY!
My first picture shows how the trunk of the Superbird looked a couple of weeks before the Red Barns show.
No spare tire and wheel!
This part of the story goes back to Talladega 1988 when I had two sidewalls come off my original tires.
At that time I decided to put a 5th rallye wheel on the spare so if I had to use it would look right.
Little did I know the problems it would cause me down the road with wheels.
So when we first had the Superbird restored we bought and installed an NOS 15 inch wheel but it was wrong with extra holes.
There is probably a picture back in this story.
Then I bought a correct 2944450 wheel and it has been in there since the restoration.
The 2944450 wheels are hard to find and pricy!
So much so that they have been reproduced recently.
The problem with that wheel is that it was dated 6 0 or June of 1970 which is AFTER the Superbird was built.
Last fall a friend of mine advertised a 2944450 wheel dated 10 14 or October 14th 1969.
That wheel was a perfect date for a Superbird built in November 1969!
So we met at the CMC winter swap and traded wheels.
I then boxed up the 10 14 wheel and sent it down to Troy Angelly to get cleaned up and painted.
So on our trip down there we took our spare tire and had Troy mount it on the freshly painted rim.
You see it in my second picture.
The third picture is a close up of the date code in the 2944450 wheel.
The last picture shows the spare tire and wheel installed and ready for the Red Barns show!
They had us pull the spare out of the Superbird at Carlisle for judging so I'm sure the wrong date code
on the wheel was a deduction that is now fixed!
MJ
I see in the first pic your jack mechanism is black. Shouldn't it be gray like the base and hook? Mine is gray and date coded 9J or J9. WINGNUT
Quote from: Wingnut426 on August 22, 2018, 02:15:53 PM
I see in the first pic your jack mechanism is black. Shouldn't it be gray like the base and hook? Mine is gray and date coded 9J or J9. WINGNUT
Wingnut426,
Thanks for your observation on the jack mechanism!
This is the original rear jack for this car and there were no signs of gray paint under the black paint.
So we repainted it the way it was.
I would like to hear from Superbird owners that have unrestored jacks in their trunks on what they have?
Thanks! MJ
My jack post is the "T" type and not the hollow type as well. WINGNUT
Quote from: Wingnut426 on August 22, 2018, 05:28:44 PM
My jack post is the "T" type and not the hollow type as well. WINGNUT
I guess I will have to start looking in friends of mine trunks to see what they have?
Your 9J or September 1969 date code on the jack seems a bit early to me for a Superbird.
I hope some others add to the post here with what they have.
MJ
Thanks a lot John...now you're jacking me around! :rofl:
Here's what our 'Bird had to say...
But wait...there's more! Looky under the spare... :yesnod:
It appears you won't be able to rely on my unrestored 'Bird that obviously has been meddled with. Maybe I can try and arrange the correct jack for our car as well...help! :shruggy:
First pic - bases...besides color, notice the 'T' shape in the center...
Second pic - Date on jack mechanism...
Third pic - part number on hook...
Gary,
Thanks for checking you Superbird jack!
Like me we know the 2931 103 / 10961 gray jack hook is correct.
In your case the gray base probably goes with the gray hook.
Your black mechanism has a 1 C date code or March of 1971.
So the black base and that jack are probably from a 1971 Mopar?
We need more owners to check when they have time!
MJ
Quote from: Wingnut426 on August 22, 2018, 05:28:44 PM
My jack post is the "T" type and not the hollow type as well. WINGNUT
Pete,
Since you pointed out that you have a "T" type jack and not hollow I have started to look into this.
I am find myself with more questions than answers on Superbird bumper jacks.
In order for this not to take my restoration post sideways and have more owners see it,
I'm going to start a new topic " ORIGINAL SUPERBIRD BUMPER JACK OR JACKS? ".
Since you have what you feel is an original I am asking for your help.
I would like a picture of your bumper jack base from the top and another from the bottom.
I would also like a picture of your jack mechanism from the sides showing the stamping, date code, etc.
Thanks! John
SUPERBIRD BUMPER JACK!
As a result of my post on Superbird jacks I have found a correct "T" mast jack that is in the 34 1/4 - 34 3/4 range.
It also has a good 9 K or October build date.
I would like to thank all those that shared information and pictures!
MJ
CRAIGSLIST STORY!
One day I was browsing our local Chicago/Northwest Indiana Craigslist ads.
I didn't find anything for me so I started checking other nearby lists South Bend, Ft. Wayne, Battle Creek, Etc.
Well I made it all the way out to Detroit!
I came across an ad with some NOS Mopar Parts! WOW!
So one of the items was an NOS 80 lb oil sending unit for Rallye Gages date coded B 9 part number 2495222.
I needed one for the Superbird but B9 was too early.
So I went out to the shop and removed the NOS one we had installed in the Daytona.
I had remembered that it was way too early or a bit after the Daytona was built.
Well the one in the Daytona was date coded H9 or August 1969.
I was really happy because that one would be good for the Superbird and if I could get the Craigslist one
it would be good for the Daytona with an early June build date!
So I responded to the ad and the reply shocked me as the seller was my aero friend Greg "odcics2" ! WOW!
I bought the NOS sender and installed it in the Daytona and took the other one and installed it in the Superbird!
I have attached some pictures of the sender that is now in the Superbird.
MJ
CRAIGSLIST STORY PART 2!
Attached are the pictures of the NOS oil sending unit I bought from Greg and installed in the Daytona!
MJ
CORRECT MASTER CYLINDER COVER!
After responding to another post with a picture of my master cylinder cover I realized that I had the wrong one!
My first picture shows that lid with the wording running front to back not side to side and wrong information.
So the next thing I did was to make sure that I had the right master cylinder?
I thought if I had to buy another master cylinder I could get one with the correct cover.
My second picture shows the casting number of my master cylinder 2226821 which I believe is correct.
The third picture shows a close up of the wording on the nice master cylinder cover I bought.
The last picture shows it installed on the Superbird!
Thanks to all who post details on this site!
MJ
:2thumbs: :coolgleamA:
:cheers:
U JOINT STRAPS!
Sometimes things work in mysterious ways!
Greg ( odcics2 ) who was the last to reply to my post was looking for some 7290 date coded U Joint straps for his project.
I replied with the 2 I had and later he found out he needed 7260 straps which I found for him.
Later I decided to crawl under our Superbird and see what was on it?
Well, I got a surprise! One strap was dated 8 24 69 and the other was dated 5 6 68 !@#$%^&*()! OH NO!
I'm glad I didn't sell the 6 4 69 strap to Greg!
I cleaned up the 6 4 69 strap which looks a lot better and swapped it out with the 5 6 68 strap!
Thanks Greg for getting me to check these out!
Quote from: Mopar John on December 27, 2018, 04:19:59 PM
U JOINT STRAPS!
Sometimes things work in mysterious ways!
Greg ( odcics2 ) who was the last to reply to my post was looking for some 7290 date coded U Joint straps for his project.
I replied with the 2 I had and later he found out he needed 7260 straps which I found for him.
Later I decided to crawl under our Superbird and see what was on it?
Well, I got a surprise! One strap was dated 8 24 69 and the other was dated 5 6 68 !@#$%^&*()! OH NO!
I'm glad I didn't sell the 6 4 69 strap to Greg!
I cleaned up the 6 4 69 strap which looks a lot better and swapped it out with the 5 6 68 strap!
Thanks Greg for getting me to check these out!
:cheers:
Talked to a guy that has a build date of 10-69 on his car and 1-3-69 straps and it's original!!
:2thumbs:
My 2018 Christmas Present NOS Disc Brake Caliper Positioners!
This story goes all the way back to 2013 when we took the Superbird in for restoration.
I had been gathering NOS and original parts for a while.
But some items just couldn't be found!
I had bought 2 right side NOS disc brake caliper positioners and 1 left side.
We were running out of time so we had all 4 of the original positioners replated.
The results were mixed as a couple of pieces had pitting and the new plating didn't have that rainbow prism look to it.
I have shown the comparison in my first picture.
So at assembly time we used a pair of NOS positioners on one side and the best of the used on the other.
One day at work a friend of mine was telling me how had his cell phone rigged to alarm when an item went for sale on EBAY!
He offered to add my list of Mopar NOS parts.
He helped me get a couple of items over the years but no left side NOS positioners!
Then about a year or so ago they reproduced them and many ads were coming up using the original part number.
I thought he might have deleted that number because of all the false alarms but he didn't.
We'll about two weeks before Christmas he sends me an e-mail that a pair of NOS positioners just got listed! WOW!
I found the auction on EBAY and it had a "BUY IT NOW" for less than the reproductions!
I bought the NOS positioners but the shipping was from Canada.
My second picture shows the pair of NOS positioners I just bought!
On Christmas eve my package from Canada arrived with my NOS disc brake caliper positioner that I had been looking for!
Soon I will swap out the replated originals on that one side for the NOS parts.
What a neat present that checks another item off the list!
I hope you had a merry Christmas also!
MJ
Amazing what's still out there, if you look. :Twocents:
Any more amazing finds for your Bird?
:popcrn:
Greg,
Thanks to you I was able to swap a NOS 2nd quarter 1969 spark plug wire for a more correct NOS 4th quarter 1969 spark plug wire.
I don't know how that 2nd quarter wire got in with the 4th quarter set but I'm glad it's been replaced!
I also bead blasted and painted my more correct tire iron.
The NOS caliper positioners that I was able to get recently have been installed!
MJ
U JOINT STRAPS PART 2!
I really don't have a written list but I'm always on the lookout for Parts and pieces to make the cars better.
I posted a while back about the date coded u joint straps.
I had found the Superbird had one strap dated 8 24 69 and one dated 5 6 68.
The 5 6 68 almost certainly didn't come with the Superbird.
So when I found the more believable 6 4 69 I was happy.
But I made a mental note that if I ever found one closer to 8 24 69 I would get it.
So a while back I contacted my brother in law who has had a bunch of Mopars about the straps.
This afternoon we were able to go over for a visit.
While the gals had a visit in the house we went out to his shop.
When my brother in law pulled his bin of straps and bolts out it was kind of what I expected.
Since he had mainly A bodies and trucks the majority of the 40 or so straps were the wrong type!
But we did find about 5 7290 type straps with date codes on them.
I couldn't believe my eyes when I cleaned off one that was dated 8 13 69! WOW!
This was only 11 days off of my other one!
I have attached a picture of the new strap that still needs to be detailed and then installed.
MJ
SOME SUPERBIRD UPDATES!
Over the winter and up till now I have been gathering a few pieces to improve the restoration.
So this past week I had some time and started to install those parts.
In my first picture I show a couple of the nice set of "H" headed pinion strap bolts installed.
These are hard to find with crisp details and no rounded edges!
In the second picture I show that 8 13 69 pinion strap ready to be installed.
For some reason I thought I had a 8 24 69 strap on the Superbird.
Turns out it was another 8 13 69 so I now have a matched pair even better!
The last picture shows my recently acquired group 27 red cap battery.
The great thing about this one is that it has removable caps like the originals!
MJ
Where's the battery from John?
Nice work !
Just don't pour acid in those holes John!! My yellow top is the same, bought it 3 years ago.
Quote from: johntpr on May 19, 2019, 05:05:25 PM
Where's the battery from John?
Nice work !
John,
The battery started out life as a battery in a battery about 10 years ago from Antique Auto Batteries.
I bought it used and dead knowing it had removable caps and then did some surgery.
I replaced the 2 dead motorcycle sized batteries with a nice single unit!
I would like to find another dead one with removable caps for the other car.
MJ
Quote from: birdsandbees on May 19, 2019, 05:46:12 PM
Just don't pour acid in those holes John!! My yellow top is the same, bought it 3 years ago.
Wayne,
I'm brainstorming on what I can attach to the bottom of the openings.
I would like to be able to pour some water in each opening and make it more realistic!
MJ
What about those throw away plastic shot glasses, glued underneath?? Or small pill bottles?
:scratchchin:
Are there any numbers stamped on the side of your Master Cylinder, and if so can you snap a picture?
Quote from: Dragon Slayer on May 23, 2019, 09:31:24 AM
Are there any numbers stamped on the side of your Master Cylinder, and if so can you snap a picture?
Dragon Slayer,
I have attached 2 pictures one from each side.
The first one from the engine side where the brake lines are has no stampings.
The second one from the outer side has "MADE IN CANADA" on one line
then another line has E ? 215 6 7 ?? C.
It seems like there are a few characters stamped so light they can't be read.
MJ
Thank you John. The E and 4 digits is a little unknown. I have found the same code on MC from my region (E 7315) as an example, but folks living else where have a different code on the same MC type. So maybe it is a manufacture plant identification. Some have nothing after it, others may have another #. Mine has a 21. Your looks like 6.
Date code wise the pattern has been first digit is year, next 2 to 3 is day. Followed by a letter which have been predominately B and C. It looks like your MC is a replacement from 77?. I believe the 6 after the code is not a year.
The 2226821 is the correct MC for 68-70 B Bodies non Hemi. 70 was a change though. Up to 69 disc were Bendix 4 piston, in 70 they moved to KH floating calipers so the pistons would be different inside the MC.
So here is the dilemma, for B bodies, 69 to 70 was a transition. Up to and thru 69 the consensus is MC have no dates or codes on the side, they have a bail tag with date code. The lid is 70R.
70 would have date code stamp on side and 1703 lid. BUT, they had to run through old stock.
Since SB were a nov/dec 69 build, it would be interesting if original SB owners with known orig MC (potentially a rare thing) can identify lid and side markings?
I picked up a complete disc brake assembly at Carlisle several years ago that supposedly came from a SB. But it could have been any B body with disc. It was complete from linkage to MC with Tag, all foam and plastic insulators in place. Never looked like it was apart. When I broke it down and recorded data on it, the booster had a 21Nov68 date code. The MC Bail tag was 22Apr69, no side data, but a B stamped on nose. Casting day of 42. 70R lid. I was assuming a late 69 car. Until I took the pistons out, and they were a later 70 type. Now it looked like it was never touched, but it was 50 years old, so who really knows. But with bail tag in place and all the easily damaged gaskets, it made me wonder.
Quote from: Dragon Slayer on May 24, 2019, 08:30:56 AM
Thank you John. The E and 4 digits is a little unknown. I have found the same code on MC from my region (E 7315) as an example, but folks living else where have a different code on the same MC type. So maybe it is a manufacture plant identification. Some have nothing after it, others may have another #. Mine has a 21. Your looks like 6.
Date code wise the pattern has been first digit is year, next 2 to 3 is day. Followed by a letter which have been predominately B and C. It looks like your MC is a replacement from 77?. I believe the 6 after the code is not a year.
The 2226821 is the correct MC for 68-70 B Bodies non Hemi. 70 was a change though. Up to 69 disc were Bendix 4 piston, in 70 they moved to KH floating calipers so the pistons would be different inside the MC.
So here is the dilemma, for B bodies, 69 to 70 was a transition. Up to and thru 69 the consensus is MC have no dates or codes on the side, they have a bail tag with date code. The lid is 70R.
70 would have date code stamp on side and 1703 lid. BUT, they had to run through old stock.
Since SB were a nov/dec 69 build, it would be interesting if original SB owners with known orig MC (potentially a rare thing) can identify lid and side markings?
I picked up a complete disc brake assembly at Carlisle several years ago that supposedly came from a SB. But it could have been any B body with disc. It was complete from linkage to MC with Tag, all foam and plastic insulators in place. Never looked like it was apart. When I broke it down and recorded data on it, the booster had a 21Nov68 date code. The MC Bail tag was 22Apr69, no side data, but a B stamped on nose. Casting day of 42. 70R lid. I was assuming a late 69 car. Until I took the pistons out, and they were a later 70 type. Now it looked like it was never touched, but it was 50 years old, so who really knows. But with bail tag in place and all the easily damaged gaskets, it made me wonder.
A lot of information there to digest!
It sounds like late 68 and early 69 parts and date codes until you got to the later 70 type pistons?
I did have some replies and examples on lids and they were all over the place.
Thanks! MJ
More Superbird Updates!
I have been involved in a couple of topics on this site but didn't post here.
I didn't want those items to take my Superbird post sideways!
The first item is the six barrel air cleaner instruction decal.
It was produced 2 ways one with "severe conditions" on the bottom line of print.
I show that in my first picture.
The other version only had "conditions" on the bottom line of print.
I show that one in my second picture.
Both contain the factory filter part number 2946186 used on our cars.
After our discussion I have removed the "severe conditions" decal and installed the "conditions" decal.
The reason I did that is we received confirmation of 2 original six barrel Superbirds with that version!
The next item is the negative battery cable ground wire screw.
Again we had a discussion and I found that I had the wrong type that I show in my third picture.
After seeing a couple of the originals I dug through my hardware and found the correct one and installed it!
I show that in my last picture.
In addition I have had the car out getting ready for a couple of local cruise nights.
I had people following me and others taking videos with their phones.
I have something that will bring some discussion in my next reply!
MJ
:coolgleamA:
All good info.
OUR SUPERBIRD HAS IT'S IDENTITY BACK!
When I bought the Superbird in the mid 70's the previous owner had bought 2 sets of 1970 Challenger T/A decals.
He made them into " 440 six pak " decals and mounted in a similar fashion to the Challengers.
I liked them because unlike the Daytona you can't tell what engine a Superbird has in it.
When I redid the Superbird myself back in 1980 I put another pair of the decals on.
I show those in my first 2 pictures of the original fenders that were replaced during the restoration.
With a couple events coming up and planning to street drive the Superbird for the first time since 2013,
it was time to get those decals back on!
This time I had them done in white to match the " PLYMOUTH " quarter panel decals.
I show them installed in the third and fourth pictures.
So now any time old pictures come up I will know the time frame by looking at the decals!
It is a shame on all the cars that have had all those custom details removed during the restorations.
They all look the same now!
MJ
well played, sir
Well I'll certainly know which car is John's in Alabama!! :2thumbs:
Looks great john so glad you put them back on and WHITE make them pop :2thumbs:
To add to your file John, my OE U joint straps.
Quote from: birdsandbees on June 10, 2019, 09:06:34 PM
To add to your file John, my OE U joint straps.
Thanks Wayne!
Your 10 7 69 pinion straps and mounting bolts are the originals!
I have attached a picture from John ( GRAYBO) of his 10 7 69 originals.
I believe we have a pattern here?
For me I'm happy to have eliminated the mis-matched pair and have a pair of 8 13 69 on the Superbird.
If I ever come across a nice pair of 10 7 69 straps I will upgrade them!
MJ
Last Fridays Classic Car Show Valparaiso, Indiana and Saturdays Annual Cruise Night LaPorte, Indiana!
I stared getting the Superbird ready for these 2 events about a week ahead of time!
The first things were tire pressures, looking to see if there were any leaks and bleeding the brakes.
Next up was to start it and let it run for a while.
OH NO! I smell fuel under the hood!
I removed the six barrel air cleaner and started the engine again.
I found that the center carburetor was getting damp with fuel under the fuel bowl.
I had to get a special 90 degree screw driver to tighten it up because they are mounted one in front of the other.
I went and tightened all 3 fuel bowls and they are took about a half of a turn to be tight again.
The last thing I wanted was a fuel leak under the hood.
Next up was a nice cleanup for the shows and a short road trip to the college nearby and back.
All went well so another short road trip to the gas station in Westville and a cruise through town.
So Friday night 426 Linda and I made the trip to Valparaiso to the show and back about a 30 mile round trip!
There were about 300 cars there and the Superbird got a lot of attention.
The only scary moment was when the temp gage got to the high end of the operating range.
The thermostat most have been stuck from setting and finally started working!
Next up was the LaPorte annual cruise night.
When we got to the fairgrounds and parked there were so many people looking at the Superbird you couldn't take a picture.
There were about 500 cars there for the 6pm to 8pm cruise through down town LaPorte!
The first 1/2 hour was barely moving traffic and gridlock till all the cars got in and moving.
This was the hot engine compartment test for the Superbird and it did great with the temp gage staying in the middle of the operating range!
There were several cars on the side of the streets with overheating and battery problems!
I have attached a couple of pictures from the staging lot at the fairgrounds.
MJ
P.S. We went to the rescheduled NASCAR race in Michigan last night and I told 426 Linda that I wanted to take the Superbird!
The look on her face was priceless!
Quote from: Mopar John on June 11, 2019, 09:55:23 AM
Quote from: birdsandbees on June 10, 2019, 09:06:34 PM
To add to your file John, my OE U joint straps.
Thanks Wayne!
Your 10 7 69 pinion straps and mounting bolts are the originals!
I have attached a picture from John ( GRAYBO) of his 10 7 69 originals.
I believe we have a pattern here?
For me I'm happy to have eliminated the mis-matched pair and have a pair of 8 13 69 on the Superbird.
If I ever come across a nice pair of 10 7 69 straps I will upgrade them!
MJ
John, I sent you an email to the frontier email address. I have a pair of the 10 7 69 straps you are looking for. Joe
Quote from: 70gtx440dana on June 12, 2019, 08:33:13 AM
Quote from: Mopar John on June 11, 2019, 09:55:23 AM
Quote from: birdsandbees on June 10, 2019, 09:06:34 PM
To add to your file John, my OE U joint straps.
Thanks Wayne!
Your 10 7 69 pinion straps and mounting bolts are the originals!
I have attached a picture from John ( GRAYBO) of his 10 7 69 originals.
I believe we have a pattern here?
For me I'm happy to have eliminated the mis-matched pair and have a pair of 8 13 69 on the Superbird.
If I ever come across a nice pair of 10 7 69 straps I will upgrade them!
MJ
John, I sent you an email to the frontier email address. I have a pair of the 10 7 69 straps you are looking for. Joe
NICE! :2thumbs: :2thumbs:
The straps on my Hemi 'bird are 10 7 69 as well. :Twocents: WINGNUT
It would be hard to believe 3 months of Bird production would all have the same strap date codes. :Twocents:
The Birds mentioned must be close to the same build dates!!
:coolgleamA:
John's car is 11,103 VIN's AFTER mine.. (how many RR's did they build a day??)
I read somewhere they had to build 37 Superbirds a day to meet the requirement by Dec. 31,1969. :Twocents: WINGNUT
Lynch Rd. 1970 was 55% Plymouth B-body & 45% Dodge Coronet
roughly 730 cars per day (~400 Plymouths & ~330 Dodges)
cars were NOT built in VIN sequence, but if you compare top line fender tag sequence numbers (or better yet, top line broadcast sheet sequence numbers), you'll see how close the 2 cars were on the assembly line
Thanks! Mine's B170744
Also need to consider how many at Lynch were performance cars v non-performance, and getting the small U-joint.
That would make the supply of large straps last longer... :2thumbs:
an example of the relationship between the VIN's "ASSIGNED SEQUENCE" VS. the body's "FENDER TAG SEQUENCE" VS. one station's - B "INTERIOR SEQUENCE" & the date the car arrived at Clairpointe.
these numbers would suggest ~57 Superbirds were built per day mid-November 1969
i can't speak specifically to the u joint straps, but can add a little first hand knowledge to the lack of any rhyme or reason regarding casting dates.
i worked at Chrysler's machining and forge plant here and know, beyond any doubt, that first in, first out inventory was not even a consideration. this applied to both raw castings and finished products. the fork lift drivers had zero regard for rotating any stock. the stuff wasn't produce, nothing would rot if not used in sequence.
a shipping box of small parts such as these straps would contain thousands of pieces, and the plant could run several boxes worth in a single day. not to mention not every worker was prudent enough to change the date stamps as would be the norm. they could have ran this casting date for a week before someone bothered to change it. i assure you no worker was stopping to make sure he installed a set of matching date codes on anything assembled there.
the same philosophy applied to paint markings. i personally applied tens of thousand of them, and other than using the correct color to identify the shift, there would be little uniformity to them. different applicator bottles/tips, the hand pressure when applying the mark, and a dozen other variables all play into it. at new castle, white paint indicated day shift, yellow on afternoons, and blue for nights, during my years there
Quote from: birdsandbees on June 14, 2019, 12:12:01 PM
Thanks! Mine's B170744
Mine is B179546 so that brings them a bit closer in time!
The bottom line is that if Wayne's original straps are dated 10 7 69 and my Superbird was made later,
I am headed in the right direction by getting a pair of 10 7 69 straps vs the 8 13 69 straps on the car!
Thanks to all for the information!
Wingnut426,
Since you have a pair of 10 7 69 straps what is the sequence of your car?
Thanks! MJ
I don't have a Broadcast sheet. It was a later built car at Creative Industries. WINGNUT426
Quote from: 70gtx440dana on June 12, 2019, 08:33:13 AM
Quote from: Mopar John on June 11, 2019, 09:55:23 AM
Quote from: birdsandbees on June 10, 2019, 09:06:34 PM
To add to your file John, my OE U joint straps.
Thanks Wayne!
Your 10 7 69 pinion straps and mounting bolts are the originals!
I have attached a picture from John ( GRAYBO) of his 10 7 69 originals.
I believe we have a pattern here?
For me I'm happy to have eliminated the mis-matched pair and have a pair of 8 13 69 on the Superbird.
If I ever come across a nice pair of 10 7 69 straps I will upgrade them!
MJ
John, I sent you an email to the frontier email address. I have a pair of the 10 7 69 straps you are looking for. Joe
I responded to Joes e-mail and we worked out a deal for his 10 7 69 straps!
My first picture shows the straps that I got from Joe.
I decided to give both of them a light bead blast so they would look the same.
I show them after the bead blast in the second picture.
The last picture shows the straps with a light coat of clear and the bolts ready to install.
They are now on the Superbird!
Thanks Joe!
MJ
Nice attention to detail......
....over here it took a month just to find one to replace my missing one....! Even then its not factory correct and has no numbers at all. Fits and works though ( which is about as good as I can do here without spending ages finding one, importing, and paying a fortune!!......so it meets my idea of "exacting standards"!!) My car is far from stock though. Full respect to any UK owner that has the time, patience and cash do a factory type resto without going mad and ending up swinging from a rope in the garage!!!
Quote from: Mopar John on June 16, 2019, 12:17:22 PM
Quote from: 70gtx440dana on June 12, 2019, 08:33:13 AM
Quote from: Mopar John on June 11, 2019, 09:55:23 AM
Quote from: birdsandbees on June 10, 2019, 09:06:34 PM
To add to your file John, my OE U joint straps.
Thanks Wayne!
Your 10 7 69 pinion straps and mounting bolts are the originals!
I have attached a picture from John ( GRAYBO) of his 10 7 69 originals.
I believe we have a pattern here?
For me I'm happy to have eliminated the mis-matched pair and have a pair of 8 13 69 on the Superbird.
If I ever come across a nice pair of 10 7 69 straps I will upgrade them!
MJ
John, I sent you an email to the frontier email address. I have a pair of the 10 7 69 straps you are looking for. Joe
I responded to Joes e-mail and we worked out a deal for his 10 7 69 straps!
My first picture shows the straps that I got from Joe.
I decided to give both of them a light bead blast so they would look the same.
I show them after the bead blast in the second picture.
The last picture shows the straps with a light coat of clear and the bolts ready to install.
They are now on the Superbird!
Thanks Joe!
MJ
John - glad I could help contribute to your project. As always.....Take care! Joe
Hi All, especially John, who unselfishly started this thread and saw it through; even though this car was finished. In doing so he has been able to upgrade and help us continue to learn much more. I plan to use this as a reference in restoring my 4 sbrd`s ; red, orange, yellow, and green. There was another one,red 440-6 but I traded it for my 1970 Hemi Charger RT/SE back. If I may enter one small observation, when I saw the front disc shields painted black; my memory was telling me that they should be zinc ( your new word that starts with s ). Perhaps I am forgetful? Had a very enjoyable time reading this week. Thanks very much, Wayne
RM23UOA ( Wayne ),
Welcome to the site!
I am glad you enjoyed reading through my Superbird thread start to current.
I have made it a priority to upgrade and correct any item that we find wrong along the way.
I will dig into the disc brake stone shields and see if we can find some original examples?
I may have been the culprit on this one when I redid the front suspension years ago?
Then during the restoration they just redid what I had done.
MJ
Radio Noise Suppressor
I found out that our Superbirds radio noise suppressor was MIA as are most of them.
This is a condenser looking part that is mounted by and connected to the ignition coil.
I started a separate post on them.
I want to thank John "GRAYBO" and JIM "MAXWELLWEDGE" for their information and pictures.
I finally found a correct one and have installed it on our Superbird!
The first picture is an overall of the part with the black wire and original connector.
The second picture is of the end with the 2884869 part number and 648 vendor code.
The third picture shows the coil area on our six barrel Superbird without the suppressor.
The last picture shows the radio noise suppressor installed in the proper place and connected.
MJ
Looks good John.
Liking the proper nuts on the coil posts too :icon_smile_cool:
Superbird and the Paving Crew!
Yesterday after living on US HWY 421 for 17 years we finally got a repave of the highway.
There was a big crack in the road about straight out from our home that was a problem.
Every time a big truck, especially empty semi dump trucks would drive over it and make a big noise!
So yesterday when the paving crew got to the front of the house I took a walk out to watch.
As soon as I got out there a guy driving a vitamin C orange colored dump truck asked me if I still had the Superbird the color of his dump truck?
I replied yes and gave him a thumbs up.
Then a guy in a INDOT ( Indiana Department of Transportation ) truck pulled up and we started talking about the road.
I informed him that my wife 426 Linda has done a seasonal summer a few years back out of his office.
Then he gave me some more detailed information and told me they only had 20 dump trucks hauling the black top.
He told me they needed at least 22 to keep the paver moving continuous.
Then he asked me if I still had my Superbird? I told him yes and decided to go get it out!
As luck would have it they ran out of black top right in front of our driveway.
That is shown in my first picture.
The last 2 pictures show the crew checking out the Superbird while waiting for more black top to arrive!
There were about 12 guys in all once the three guys running the rollers showed up.
I left the Superbird running with the hood closed at first.
Then each guy had his own take on the car and questions!
So here is a list of questions probably not in the order that they were asked.
1) How long have you owned this car? I bought it in 1976!
2) Has this car been redone? Twice, once by me and then professionally in 2014-2015.
3) It sounds great does it have the 3 2bbl carbs? Yes
4) Can you open the hood and let us see the engine? Yes and then many WOWS!
5) Does it have the special horn? Yes
6) Can you beep the horn? Yes to a happy group!
7) My friend says this thing is worth $200,000.00? I said that is a good number for a OE restored six pack Superbird
8) What is OE restored? Then I explained a restoration using original and NOS parts
9) What are NOS parts? Then I explained about them
10) There was a local stock car racer that knew the history of the wing cars and had great praise for the car!
I probably missed a few questions but you get the idea.
MJ
P.S. I'm thinking about getting the Daytona out when they do the other side!
i've seen that road, and seen that driveway, and seen that superbird
awesome of you to get it out
Quote from: held1823 on September 10, 2019, 11:45:28 AM
i've seen that road, and seen that driveway, and seen that superbird
awesome of you to get it out
Thanks Ernie!
A while back when I changed my avatar to the picture of the wing cars in the shop with the doors up,
you asked me for more pictures of the 2 wing cars together.
We'll today I knew the paving crew who liked the Superbird so well was coming back on the other side.
So I brought the Superbird out again and then brought out the Daytona!
Here are some pictures of both of our wing cars together out on the front lawn!
MJ
NICE! :coolgleamA: :2thumbs:
Superbird Rear Bumper Jack Update!
If you go back in this post to August of 2018 I was reporting that I had found a correct date coded spare "450" wheel.
The pictures that I posted that day opened a can of worms for me concerning the rear bumper jack!
Pete "Wingnut426" pointed out in repy #920 that my jack mechanism was painted the wrong color and that I had a tubular style jack mast !#$%^&*(! :brickwall:
That is when I started posting about Superbird rear bumper jacks with quite a few responses.
After gathering information and deciding what was correct I started looking for the correct parts.
I was able to get a correct length mast with a decent date code and a nice base.
Later I found an NOS base and another mast that had a better date but was a little longer in length.
So this weekend we made a trip to southern Indiana to visit our grandson at college.
Monday when we left there we made a visit to our restoration shop Troy Angelly restorations.
We were able to pick up all the bumper jack parts that I had shipped down there for restoration.
Today I had time to finally install the correct bumper jack, hook and base!
The first picture shows the wrong old tubular mast jack and wrong base.
The second picture shows the wrong jack mechanism painted the wrong color!
The third picture shows the correct "T" post jack in the correct color installed.
Notice how the hold down plate slides all the way down into position with the correct jack mast in place!
The last pictures shows the correct base and hook installed!
I want to thank Pete for pointing this out and allowing me to correct this and help others along the way!
I also want to thank John "graybo" and Jim "maxwellwedge" for pictures from their original Superbird jacks.
MJ
Nice John.. now to add to your "fun" is the jack hold down plate supposed to be black or bare metal?? :icon_smile_big:
Quote from: birdsandbees on September 25, 2019, 04:18:30 PM
Nice John.. now to add to your "fun" is the jack hold down plate supposed to be black or bare metal?? :icon_smile_big:
How about gray to match the jack parts?
I think it is supposed to be black?
We'll have to see what our experts come up with?
MJ
Hi John. My jack bracket is black, but what I noticed in the bottom picture is your spare has no white letters or you installed the spare letters down? Shouldn't the spare be mounted so the valve is pointing up? WINGNUT426
I do/did the same as Wingnut with the tire sticker left on the tread, but I've been told by others that Line tires didn't have stickers...
The attached picture is the spare in our Daytona.
The first thing is that you see the white line pointing up.
The second thing is you see the original Goodyear sticker still on the tire.
At the OE judging at the Mopar Nationals we had a full point deduction for that sticker.
We were told that Goodyear brought tires to the assembly plants by the truck load.
The assembly line workers didn't have the time to peel all those stickers off.
So when we went to the MCACN show and had the Daytona judged there I spun the spare so the sticker was in the back.
But that sticker shows the average person that the Daytona has an original NOS spare!
MJ
Thanks John, guess I'll put my sticker back on. I was told the same story, tires came by the truck load and didn't have stickers period.
Superbird Spare Wheel & Tire!
Yesterday the special decal for the jack base arrived from ECS.
I show it in my first picture.
So I had to remove the wing nut, hook and base to install the decal.
I show it installed in my second picture.
So then I thought while I had all this removed that I would flip the spare wheel and tire over.
I show that in my third picture.
I looked at the pictures from members here and elsewhere and decided what you guys were saying was correct.
Thanks! MJ
SUPERBIRD MOTOR MOUNTS REVISITED!
Way back on page 24 in reply #578 I showed a picture of the NOS passengers side motor mount.
I had run a wanted ad and was able to buy a pair of the NOS 2536121 motor mounts from a friend.
No one spotted that these were wrong and superceded parts until the judges at Carlisle in 2016 spotted them.
With an LED flashlight it is pretty easy to see the top side of the motor mounts when they are installed.
My first picture shows just that view from earlier today.
Once I found out what I was looking for the hunt began!
Today my Christmas present to myself arrived.
I got a pair of factory assembly line motor mounts with a correct 9 and 8 or 9 dots.
This works out to August or September 1969 for the 1970 model year and the Superbird!
My last 2 pictures show the date codes and part numbers on the mounts!
Hope everyone else has a GREAT Christmas!
MJ
Dr. Pimple Popper can take care of those for you. :lol:
Speaking of Dr. Pimple popper I do have a question about the dots.
The one mount has 9 dots maybe 10 all off to the right side of the 9.
The other mount has 8 dots off to the right side of the 9 and also 1 above the 9.
Do all of these get counted?
The reason I'm asking is I think these both may have come off the same car.
Thanks! MJ
John, I have the 29K mile Bird back near my house (after 4 years). Let me know if you need pictures of anything. With 40+ pages to this thread, it will take me some time to look for things you were asking about!
Of course, with the 383 motor in it pre-1977, not sure about the motor mount. Let me know if you want me to clean it up for a better look.
Quote from: bannedbird on December 27, 2019, 06:13:59 PM
John, I have the 29K mile Bird back near my house (after 4 years). Let me know if you need pictures of anything. With 40+ pages to this thread, it will take me some time to look for things you were asking about!
Of course, with the 383 motor in it pre-1977, not sure about the motor mount. Let me know if you want me to clean it up for a better look.
Thanks for the reply with picture!
That is an assembly line or very early motor mount.
If you get a chance to clean up across the bottom to about an inch up it will show the number for the year of manufacture and pimples for the month's.
Thanks! John
Superbird Rear End Gear Ratio Tag
Ever since I got my Carlisle OE judging deductions back I have made it a mission to correct as many as I can.
Some items are more difficult than others.
Today I want to share the correction of the rear end gear ratio tag.
The deduction read "reproduction gear ratio tag".
So the first thing I did was to look at all my original gear ratio tags but there was no nice 3.55 tags.
I show them in my first picture.
The second picture is from this morning showing the reproduction gear ratio tag on the Superbird.
The third picture shows the reproduction tag removed and is on top in the picture.
The tag on the bottom is a nice original that I recently bought.
You can see that the 3 on the original almost looks like a 7 on the top half and not all rounded.
The last picture shows the original 3.55 tag installed on the Superbird.
MJ
Nice John !!!
All the little details I'll need for my Charger 500.... Have any extra 3.23's laying around?
How many points are deducted for the rounded off nut?
Quote from: hemi68charger on February 03, 2020, 12:53:41 PM
Nice John !!!
All the little details I'll need for my Charger 500.... Have any extra 3.23's laying around?
Troy,
I have sent you a pm about original 3.23 gear ratio tags.
MJ
Quote from: Mytur Binsdirti on February 03, 2020, 01:54:23 PM
How many points are deducted for the rounded off nut?
Mark,
The picture doesn't do the nut justice.
When I removed it yesterday I spent some time looking at it.
I couldn't decide which side to have against the tag.
So I decided to put it back on the way I found it.
The nut looks like it was machined with grippers?
With the car on the floor it was hard to see how many were that way?
I have a empty grease can that has a bunch of extras that I need to look at.
But to answer your question there were no points deducted for the rear end center section attachment nuts.
MJ
Superbird 8 3/4 Carrier nuts!
Today I had planned on finishing the installation of the rebuilt transmission in the GTX drag car.
Instead I decided to go through my stash of 8 3/4 carrier nuts.
First I'm happy to report I only had one funny looking one on the Superbird and replaced it with another nice original.
I show that in my first picture. I wanted to get that done before Mark turned me in to the judges!
Being that one was on the gear ratio tag I'm going to keep it just in case?
But the real reason I wanted to go through the 8 3/4 carrier nuts was to see if I could find any color coded locking nuts?
If you have seen my wanted ad for nos tie rod sleeves you would have seen the red ( outer ) and tan ( inner ) color coded lock nuts.
During a discussion about those I was told that they might have been used on the 8 3/4 carriers?
So my last two pictures show one of the tan color coded lock nuts that I found with my carrier nuts.
The first picture shows the tan color in the lock nut and the second shows the "T" stamped into the nut.
So any one who has a chance to check their Superbird 8 3/4 carrier nuts for these "T" stamped nuts please report back.
All is not lost as I got the transmission finished up before Linda had supper ready!
MJ
Quote from: Mopar John on February 03, 2020, 06:31:28 PM
Superbird 8 3/4 Carrier nuts!
...During a discussion about those I was told that they might have been used on the 8 3/4 carriers?
So my last two pictures show one of the tan color coded lock nuts that I found with my carrier nuts.
The first picture shows the tan color in the lock nut and the second shows the "T" stamped into the nut.
So any one who has a chance to check their Superbird 8 3/4 carrier nuts for these "T" stamped nuts please report back.
All is not lost as I got the transmission finished up before Linda had supper ready!
MJ
Lordy... John to the rescue,, again and I didn't even know it... I'll be needing these very same things and didn't even know it for my Charger 500.. hahaha...
Thanks for the detailed pictures John... Guess I have something else to look for.. I'm sure the '69 version is the same as the '70.. Been forever since I had to worry about a 8 3/4 rear, Dana's have been in my recent Mopar world.
Cheers,
Quote from: Mopar John on February 02, 2020, 05:37:49 PM
Superbird Rear End Gear Ratio Tag
Ever since I got my Carlisle OE judging deductions back I have made it a mission to correct as many as I can.
Some items are more difficult than others.
Today I want to share the correction of the rear end gear ratio tag.
The deduction read "reproduction gear ratio tag".
So the first thing I did was to look at all my original gear ratio tags but there was no nice 3.55 tags.
I show them in my first picture.
The second picture is from this morning showing the reproduction gear ratio tag on the Superbird.
The third picture shows the reproduction tag removed and is on top in the picture.
The tag on the bottom is a nice original that I recently bought.
You can see that the 3 on the original almost looks like a 7 on the top half and not all rounded.
The last picture shows the original 3.55 tag installed on the Superbird.
MJ
2.45 ratio? Anyone ever see one of those???
Troy: Are you SURE 69 and 70 are the same? Lynch Road plant and Hamtramck plant?
Quote from: A13 on February 04, 2020, 04:47:40 PM
Troy: Are you SURE 69 and 70 are the same? Lynch Road plant and Hamtramck plant?
That was a big assumption on my part for sure.. I will have to look into it a little deeper.. Thanks for keeping me in check.. :icon_smile_cool:
More on 8 3/4 carrier lock nuts.
Since my original reply on this I have been trying to find more information.
There is very little out there on these lock nuts.
I did find a listing for reproductions at "HOOVERAUTOPARTS.com" .
They list 64-74 Mopar ABE Body 8 3/4 rear end carrier retaining lock nuts.
They state that their reproductions with the nylon locking plug are only correct for 64-67.
They also state the 68-74 lock nuts used a nylon patch inside the nut.
I have attached a picture of the reproduction lock nuts.
MJ
Superbird Six Barrel Throttle Return Spring Bracket Manifold Bolt & Washer or Not Part 1.
Recently I posted on this forum about my Superbird throttle return bracket manifold bolt and washer.
The reason that I did this was we got a deduction for this in the OE judging at Carlisle and wanted to correct it.
My first picture shows the bolt and washer as judged.
The second picture shows the incorrectly installed solid washer now removed.
The third picture shows the correct Six Barrel throttle bracket with the serrations stamped into it.
The last picture shows the bracket now installed without the washer.
The problem now is that there is no paint where that washer was !@#$%^&*!
MJ
Superbird Six Barrel Throttle Return Spring Bracket Manifold Bolt & Washer or Not part 2!
So my first picture shows how I taped up the edge of the serrations in the bracket for touch up.
The second picture shows the unpainted area now touched up with engine paint.
The third picture shows the bracket and bolt re-installed but with damaged paint from the socket and the bolt rubbing the bracket.
The last picture shows it all touched up and the tape removed.
Thanks for all the replies over on the forum for this topic!
MJ
The way it was meant to be.. no matter the na sayers!
CORRECT SIX BARREL CARBURETOR GASKETS!
So today I took care of another deduction from the OE judging.
I got a deduction for the wrong colored carburetor gaskets!
The most popular ones being sold is what we put on the Superbird.
I show them in my first picture after I removed the carburetors.
They are sort of a yellow color and easy to spot with all the extra that
sticks out the back on each carburetor.
The second picture shows the correct as original light black colored gaskets in place.
The third picture shows a close up of the "REAR" that is stamped into the top side
rear of each gasket.
I was able to get it all back together and fire it up and check for leaks.
All went well and it's ready to go for a ride and find some cheap fuel!
MJ
Nice! Where did you acquire the gaskets?
Quote from: RSI700VIPER on April 28, 2020, 09:17:27 PM
Nice! Where did you acquire the gaskets?
I will send you a pm.
MJ
The weather didn't cooperate on the day I swapped out the incorrect Six Barrel carburetor gaskets.
But today we had a beautiful day here in the upper mid west!
After finishing some spring type projects I dusted off and detailed the Superbird.
We have a BP gas station less than a mile from the house and we took a ride over there for fuel.
We'll all the pumps had "NO" taped on the medium octane and high octane pumps?
So this caused a change in plans and about a 7 mile trip over to the next town.
On the way there I had a chance to open her up a bit and drive it like it should be.
Yes folks this is an OE level car that is going to be driven here and there locally!
I was able to buy some 93 octane at this BP station.
There was a late model Challenger owner looking the paint off the Superbird!
A check under the hood was in order after having all the fuel lines apart.
No fuel leaks and it was time for the ride home.
I was hoping to open it up again and I even thought about passing a bunch of cars but didn't.
Lucky for me I didn't because soon after was a caravan of Indiana state police cars.
There have been some problems at our local state prison with the covid issues and they must have been there?
If the weather is nice I plan another ride tomorrow!
MJ
John, I like the 440 SIX PAK call outs on the fenders. Makes you wonder why Mother Mopar didn't have a fender badge or decal calling out the power plant. Pretty much every other Dodge and Plymouth of that era had something.
SUPERBIRD WASHER RESERVOIR & PUMP DETAILS
Working through the list from Carlisle was the washer reservoir date was after the build date of the car.
So one day I decided to remove the washer reservoir and check the date.
While I was at it I checked the date code for the washer pump and it was a very late 1968 pump.
So I decided to remove the washer reservoir from the Daytona and check the dates for the reservoir and pump.
Well it turns out the Daytona reservoir was a close match for the late 1968 pump that was on the Superbird.
I swapped those around and now the Daytona had a matched set.
But the pump that was on the Daytona was a 049 4 date code which was 4 years late even for the Superbird.
Recently I got lucky and bought an NOS pump with a date code of 033 0.
This mates up with the washer reservoir on the Superbird with both being just a bit after the car was built.
When the restorations were being finished up I ran out of time to find NOS parts with the right date codes.
Now I will share some details with you.
Picture #1 shows the early 1970 pump and the 1974 pump both 2809013 part number.
The 1970 pump on the left has the mold mark on the elbow and the 1974 does not.
Picture #2 shows the correct pump filter and sealing disc on the left
on the right is the superceded pump filter I removed from the Superbird.
Also you can see what happens to the grommet when the sealing disc is not used!
Picture #3 shows the date code of the pump I removed from the Daytona of 049 4.
The last picture shows the original box that the 049 4 pump came in with a 27 4 date.
For now I will keep the 049 4 pump as a spare and be happy the dates on the cars are close together now!
MJ
GOOD GUY ALERT!
I would like to thank Gary Gazda and his 4 Wheel Parts & Service Inc. for helping me out with my Superbirds power steering box.
For those of you who don't know this Gary rebuilds the power steering gearboxes used on our Aero cars.
Gary helped research and find a correct casting date power steering gear box with a perfect assembly date of 209 9!
Gary's user name here is: Birdflu.
This story starts way back in 1976 when I bought the Superbird.
The right front tire was worn out and the steering wheel pulled to the right!
I put the better original spare on and did some home shop alignment adjustments.
The Superbird still pulled to the right and I took it in for an alignment.
When all this didn't cure the problem I swapped out the original power steering box.
The swap cured the problem and I scrapped the original power steering box @#$%^&*()! :brickwall:
Fast forward to 2020 and I notice on one of my replies here that I have the wrong date code on my Superbirds power steering box.
The reply with the picture is titled "Front Suspension Part 9! It is reply #540 from August 2015!
If you look at my first attached picture the power steering box hanging in the picture has a casting date of 3120.
This is about a year after my Superbird was built! The assembly date would be even later!
I am surprised with all the people that have read through this post no one else caught this?
The second picture shows the freshly restored power steering box with the 1 69 casting date.
The third picture shows the 209 9 assembly date.
The last picture shows the power steering box in the shipping box from Gary.
Gary does a great job on these with competitive pricing and quick turn arounds.
Thanks! Gary
MJ
Nicely done John. I've used many of your restoration details and tips to put mine together. So much so that I should pay you a fee :2thumbs:
RSI700VIPER,
Your kind comments about the details and tips are enough for me.
As I have just posted about Gary and his services many forum members have been there to help me.
My hope is that we as a group get the information out there on how these cars were originally.
As time moves on there are less and less original cars and parts to reference.
Thanks! MJ
:popcrn: :coolgleamA: :2thumbs: :popcrn:
John, we appreciate the time that you put into this thread as it will help people now and in the future! Thanks for spending the time on this! :2thumbs: :2thumbs:
John,
When you are all finished,I'll meet you half way and we can have pair to compare and a few beers ! :2thumbs:
Thanks guys!
62 Max,
Where are you located?
Quote from: Mopar John on October 09, 2020, 08:34:02 PM
Thanks guys!
62 Max,
Where are you located?
South central PA.
Quote from: 62 Max on October 09, 2020, 09:36:04 PM
Quote from: Mopar John on October 09, 2020, 08:34:02 PM
Thanks guys!
62 Max,
Where are you located?
South central PA.
So half way will be around Cleveland, Ohio I think?
MJ
SUPERBIRD 440 SIX BARREL FUEL LINE/VACUUM LINE "S" CLIP REVISITED!
If you go back to reply #863 on January 25th 2017 I started a discussion about my missing fuel line/vacuum line "S" clip.
Fast forward to last week and I was digging through parts for my 1970 GTX and I found a zip lock bag with my original
Superbird fuel lines inside.
The neat part is that the original "S" clip was still on the fuel lines!
My first picture shows my original fuel lines that I found.
A lot of neat screw clamps and rubber hose!
My second picture is how the Superbird looked with the "S" clip I installed.
The third picture shows the the original and installed "S" clips side by side.
They look the same to me so we settled on the right clip which was the transmission cooling line clip.
The last picture is of an item that Davtona was asking about.
The original fuel line fittings have a "W" surrounded by an octagon.
I believe this to be supplied by a company called weatherhead?
So I will have to clean them up and swap them out when I get a chance!
I'm sure glad I found those parts!
MJ
Quote from: 62 Max on October 09, 2020, 08:23:37 AM
John,
When you are all finished,I'll meet you half way and we can have pair to compare and a few beers ! :2thumbs:
The get together with Bill Overcash known here as 62 Max is not going to happen.
I got word yesterday and it is now posted on this site that he passed away Sunday.
Bill was an active member of our hobby and helped many of us out!
RIP 62 MAX
MJ
Thanks for letting us know and tying the two names together John. I heard the name yesterday, but didn't tie it to anyone here. RIP Bill :angel:
SUPERBIRD HEADLIGHT BULB BUCKETS
Some of you may have read my reply about headlight bulb buckets over on my Daytona post.
I recently found out that there were numbers stamped into the headlight bulb buckets.
So I also went out and removed the retainer rings and checked out the ones on the Superbird.
These are different than the ones I found on the Daytona!
My first picture shows the left high beam bucket "HI-5 LT".
My second picture shows the left low beam bucket "HI-LO 5 LT".
My third picture shows the right high beam bucket "HI-5 RT".
My last picture shows the right low beam bucket "HI-LO 5 RT".
Just sharing another detail for those trying to include them on their Superbirds!
MJ
FYI- Weatherhead brass fittings were bought out by Eaton in 2002.
Here's a pic of an original #88 rear axle cooler90 degree fitting and a later "NOS" fitting.
Note the logos are spaced apart on the vintage one.
The logos are close together on the later nos piece and stamped in a different area of the fitting.
Good way to know if you have original parts or ones produced later.
What does a current 6 pack fuel fitting look like??
Lastly, thinking the rad drain petcock was also a Weatherhead part...
I AM STILL FINDING PARTS!
When I have time I check out the ads for correct original and NOS parts.
Back on page 30 of this post I discussed the headlights.
I had just found out that the correct headlights for a Superbird were Westinghouse and not GE.
Because I didn't have much time I settled on a pair of NOS Westinghouse high beams dated 5-9.
So recently I was able to buy a matched pair of NOS Westinghouse high beam headlights dated 10-9.
This is a lot better for a car made in late Novemeber 11-9!
I have attached a few pictures of the NOS headlights!
MJ
The Westinghouse headlights that I removed have 5-9 dates.
They will be put aside for the 1970 GTX that was built during Aug 1969 8-9.
MJ
Thanks, I did not know those were dated.
I should also inform that our era ( late 60's ) were the "SAFE T BEAM" type headlights.
The newer ones are called "SUPER BEAM" and have DOT stamped in ink between the month and year on the date code.
Some of these look correct with the wide flutes in the glass but not right as far as date codes go.
MJ
Can you post pics of the lenses?
ORIGINAL SUPERBIRD TRIM RINGS!
Well it's been a while since I posted about Superbird details but I have been working on some items!
Today I'm going to share some information on "ORIGINAL" Superbird 15 X 7 Rally wheel trim rings.
Back around 1980 when I did some restoration work on the Superbird myself,
I went into my local Chrysler - Plymouth dealer and ordered a new set of trim rings and center caps.
They came in and I eventually installed them on the Superbird.
The centers looked REAL GOOD but the trim rings seemed just a bit different?
By then I had converted the spare to a 5th Rally wheel complete with a 5th original trim ring.
I had set those aside with other original parts that came off the car.
Years ago I had heard about a guy out west that restored trim rings.
Finally about 2 years ago I sent my 5 original trim rings in with high hopes!
It didn't take long and my dreams were dashed!
The guy restoring the trim rings tells me that 2 of them will turn out real nice and it will go
down hill from there due to "CURB RASH"!
So it took a while due to the pandemic and I finally got my first 5 back.
I now hate curb rash! Like he said only 2 were nice enough for todays standards.
I began buying nicer and nicer cores paying higher and higher prices.
So I am happy to report after buying a total of 5 more or 10 total
I now have a very nice set of ORIGINAL 15 X 7 X 3" trim rings!
In my first picture I show a close up of an original "MADE IN USA" label.
These were found on the original trim rings and also had the part number on them.
In my second picture I show where the top of the trim ring measures in right at 3" tall.
Many owners have gotten ripped off buying the later 15 X 6 1/2 X 2 3/4" trim rings!
My third picture shows my set of 4 restored trim rings.
The last picture shows a close up of one of the restored trim rings!
MJ
Now you're scared to hit them with a rubber hammer ! :icon_smile_big:
Quote from: birdsandbees on April 01, 2022, 08:31:24 PM
Now you're scared to hit them with a rubber hammer ! :icon_smile_big:
No kidding!
Is there any rhyme or reason for brushed versus polished rings? Most Birds I have seen over the years are brushed.
Mine are brushed... thanks for stating that Doug as I was getting a tad nervous.. :yesnod:
70 is polished, 71-3 is brushed.
Nice thing is that brushed ones can be fully polished by an expert
to be correct for a 1970 car. 👍
Quote from: odcics2 on April 02, 2022, 09:16:43 PM
70 is polished, 71-3 is brushed.
Sorry, but you are wrong. Early Superbirds got polished, later cars got brushed. I checked several broadcast sheets, some show 3461043 and some show 3461222 for the rings. Galens breakdown of Superbirds shows early and late. WINGNUT
Lots of different info out there on these 15" rings.
Spot checking different sites also shows the theory of 15" rallye wheel vs 15" steel wheel being polished or brushed!
In 2005 Galen changed his mind on the rings, according to some info on the e body site.
MoParts says 70 polished, 71-3 brushed. A guy that worked at a plant stated he'd put on whatever they had next to the line.
(Didn't the rings come in the trunk?? Dealer would put them on?)
Additionally, I found out that Chrysler substituted different finishes in NOS sealed wrappers and boxes in the 70s, leading to more confusion.
Both part numbers could have been brushed, or fully polished. :shruggy:
I guess original bird owners would know for sure what they got on the car when new. Or at least what the dealer put on the car...
LOL, I'm glad my car never had any trim rings on it! :2thumbs:
T/A 's also had brushed trim rings while AAR's had polished
I think if you own a Superbird and have the original broadcast sheet
it would show what you should have on your car.
I believe it's possible to have either one polished or brushed.
But I do think the 1970 model year started with only polished being available.
So it would be great to find out when the brushed rings were introduced?
To add to the confusion I feel that poorly maintained polished trim rings
might look brushed after a while!
Thanks for all the comments!
MJ
Quote from: 69 500 on April 04, 2022, 07:42:13 AM
T/A 's also had brushed trim rings while AAR's had polished
Even that varies.....
Quote from: Mopar John on April 04, 2022, 09:18:47 AM
To add to the confusion I feel that poorly maintained polished trim rings
might look brushed after a while!
YEP, I had to go look at mine John and I believe that IS the case with mine. My Broadcast sheet has "43" for the wheel covers (Trim Rings)
Quote from: birdsandbees on April 04, 2022, 06:20:41 PM
Quote from: Mopar John on April 04, 2022, 09:18:47 AM
To add to the confusion I feel that poorly maintained polished trim rings
might look brushed after a while!
YEP, I had to go look at mine John and I believe that IS the case with mine. My Broadcast sheet has "43" for the wheel covers (Trim Rings)
Wayne,
In addition to the broadcast sheet is the label on the trim ring itself.
So if you have the original trim rings on your Superbird you can check the labels.
If the part numbers are still legible you will be able to tell if the ring was born polished or brushed?
MJ
SUPERBIRD METERING VALVE SHIELD
I know we have discussed this part on this forum in the past but I couldn't find it.
Any way our Superbird has an original metering valve shield in place but not in the best of shape.
I came close to buying an NOS one on EBAY a few years ago but it was with an NOS metering valve.
The seller would not split the shield from the valve and the valve had a bunch of white rust on it.
So I passed on it and kept looking.
Fast forward a couple of years and I was buying some parts from a guy.
His e-mail address was similar to the EBAY sellers name that had the NOS metering valve and shield?
So one day I asked him about those parts and he told me that he sold the metering valve
but still had the NOS shield.
So we worked out a deal and I bought it!
I have attached some pictures of the shield and the last one shows it installed on the Superbird!
Another item checked off the list!
MJ
What a wonderful thread John! :drool5: :drool5: :drool5:
12 years in the making and maybe 'never to be repeated again'?
I've done some 'serious' Bodywork on some very fine Mopars but this is mind-blowing stuff indeed.
Removing the rear quarters/tail panel to fit a one piece trunk pan floor is pure genius... :slap:
Only teasing John, from Limey John... :cheers: :cheers: :cheers:
Mr. Mopar John. Will you be at next years Carlisle?
Quote from: aerolith on May 28, 2022, 03:47:49 PM
What a wonderful thread John! :drool5: :drool5: :drool5:
12 years in the making and maybe 'never to be repeated again'?
I've done some 'serious' Bodywork on some very fine Mopars but this is mind-blowing stuff indeed.
Removing the rear quarters/tail panel to fit a one piece trunk pan floor is pure genius... :slap:
Only teasing John, from Limey John... :cheers: :cheers: :cheers:
aerolith,
Thanks for the comments!
I do want to add that the 1 piece trunk floor was an original Chrysler stamping out of a rust free donor car!
Not many of those to be found any more.
MJ
Quote from: 472 R/T SE on May 28, 2022, 08:53:05 PM
Mr. Mopar John. Will you be at next years Carlisle?
472 R/T SE,
I will not be at Carlisle this year or next year!
I have only made the haul out there once in 2016 for the Superbird OE judging.
The way we were treated there after purchasing a $500.00 entry I have NO reason to go back!
MJ
SUPERBIRD REAR BRAKE WHEEL CYLINDERS PART 2!
Almost a year ago now I was browsing on EBAY and noticed a bunch of NOS assembly line wheel cylinders.
I scanned the listings to see if there were any for our Daytona's or Superbird's?
Well I got lucky and purchased a casting number 3461776 rear wheel cylinder that was correct for the Superbird.
Since there was a bunch of different parts listed I sent a message to see if there were any more?
Well the seller got back with me and said he had another 3461776 that was missing the internals on 1 side.
So I bought it and now had a pair and I show them in my first picture.
I took the complete one apart on one side to see what original parts were missing?
I show that in my second and third pictures.
Then I searched my spare brake parts stash and found the correct spring
along with the inner and outer boots and show the progress in my fourth picture.
So the only original item I'm missing is the 15/16" piston with part number 325 cast into it.
The factory part number for that piston is 2260843.
If anyone has a junk original wheel cylinder with that piston or an NOS one
I would like to buy it to complete my original wheel cylinder.
I show that piston in my fifth picture.
The last picture shows an original outer boot close up with the factory part number 2881618 molded into it.
Enjoy! MJ
John, here are my nos wheel cylinders. One has the Chrysler boots 2881618, and the other Wagner Lockheed. So, did the installers at the factory have boxes on each side of the car with two different types of 'assembled' wheel cylinders to be installed? This brings up a question on the actual wheel cylinder bolts, if you like to know...
My car has mismatched-marked, bolt heads on one side, and the same kind of marked head pair on the other? All four have the same star washers. Bolts in pic left to right, are marked B&H, M, N under L, N under L. And a repro bolt marked E.
And pics of the MCACN 700 mile Superbird bolts. Not the same bolt heads per side either...?? Interesting investigating.
Looking good John !!! Been so out of touch.... I didn't realize you were restoring your Bird.... I thought you had already done this......
Troy
Quote from: Impkidd on February 08, 2023, 01:48:57 PM
John, here are my nos wheel cylinders. One has the Chrysler boots 2881618, and the other Wagner Lockheed. So, did the installers at the factory have boxes on each side of the car with two different types of 'assembled' wheel cylinders to be installed? This brings up a question on the actual wheel cylinder bolts, if you like to know...
My car has mismatched-marked, bolt heads on one side, and the same kind of marked head pair on the other? All four have the same star washers. Bolts in pic left to right, are marked B&H, M, N under L, N under L. And a repro bolt marked E.
And pics of the MCACN 700 mile Superbird bolts. Not the same bolt heads per side either...?? Interesting investigating.
Rob,
The same wheel cylinder casting was used for a few years after our Superbirds were built!
The Wagner Lockheed parts started to show up a bit later so your wheel cylinders even though
they are NOS they may have been made a bit later.
Thanks for adding the details on the bolt heads for the wheel cylinders!
Now I am going to have to crawl under mine and see what those look like?
Thanks for replying with more info! MJ
Quote from: hemi68charger on February 08, 2023, 02:26:29 PM
Looking good John !!! Been so out of touch.... I didn't realize you were restoring your Bird.... I thought you had already done this......
Troy
Troy,
The pictures from the top of the page are from years ago!
The Superbird was restored during the 2013-2015 time frame.
I continue to work on details of the car as I can.
I just started work on these wheel cylinders and thought I would share the info.
Looks like you have been busy with your new HEMI bird!
Thanks! MJ
Rob,
I have attached a picture of what I think the logo looks like on the low mile Superbird at the MCACN show.
These would be the non shoulder ones.
The logo and the tooth washers will help find these in coffee cans full of hardware!
MJ
Here's the originals on mine... "anchors".
You may have a matching pair on your car. The line lead from back in the day, may have came back from lunch break, and the crew started using the same brand of bolts out of the correct basket... When the cats away, the mice will play.
Assembly Line Correct NOS Wheel Valve Stem Extensions!
When we restored our Superbird we looked for some NOS wheel valve stem extensions.
In my first 2 attached pictures I show the 1970-71 parts book pages.
You will notice that 2660315 is the part number for the valve stem extensions.
I was able to find a set of 4 NOS extensions and installed them on our Superbird.
The 3rd picture shows them installed.
These turn out to be the later more common superceded over the counter parts.
I have noticed on some Superbirds and even recently on one of the low mileage survivors
that the extensions were not installed and look like my 4th picture.
The information I have seen says that the extensions were supplied in a plastic bag
in the trunk with the trim rings for our Superbirds and up to dealer prep to install them.
I believe this would lead to all different scenarios!
So that leads me up to a few months ago when I found out that the assembly line
NOS valve stem extensions should have had a small hole in the center of the white core. WOW!
So I started looking for assembly line valve stem extensions for part number 2660315.
I discussed this with fellow Superbird owner Rob Kidd at the Indy Mopar Swap Meet.
Rob is working on a Superbird restoration and spending a great deal of time
looking for correct parts for his Superbird.
It wasn't long after I spoke with him about the valve stem extensions that he sent me a link.
I was able to buy a set of 4 NOS assembly line correct 2660315 valve stem extensions!
I show them still in the factory sealed bag in my 5th picture.
This is the bag that would have been in the trunk of our Superbirds.
My last picture shows the end of the stems with the small hole in the centers!
I would like to thank Rob for helping me find the correct extensions
and being able to add another correct detail to the restoration!
MJ
You're welcome John! Investigating the details is a hobby in itself. You've been a great source of information and spare parts from your restoration. :2thumbs:
ORIGINAL SUPERBIRD WASHER BOTTLE!
Recently a friend of mine got in touch with me an informed me that he had purchased a very nice original washer bottle. He asked me what date code that I was looking for? So I went to my Superbird parts stash and told him that my original bottle was dated the 274th day of 1969. So I told him I would go a bit earlier and up to 45 days
( 319 9 ) later with and early December assembly date. My first picture shows the 274 9 date on my original bottle. He checks his bottle and gets back with me and tells me that he has the same date of 274 9! WOW!
Needless to say I ended up purchasing that bottle. My second picture shows the date on that bottle. The reason I was so excited is that the closest I could come up to this point was an NOS bottle that was dated 145 0. I got a deduction for this by the engine compartment judge at Carlisle because the date was after the car was built.
So I can now cross another deduction off my shrinking list! My third picture shows the 145 0 bottle installed and the just purchased 274 9 bottle for comparison and how nice it looks! My fourth picture again shows the the 145 0 bottle installed and the original 274 9 original bottle for comparison. My last picture shows the recently purchased original 274 9 bottle installed!
MJ
Great find!
John, my bird has "OK" wax or crayon on the drivers headlight bucket. Was this factory or added sometime after car delivery?
thx - SB Steve
Steve,
It is my opinion that this was a verification that the vacuum system test of the headlights was "OK".
The vacuum line connectors for the nose was near there on that side.
I assume this would have been done when the nose assembly was complete and not yet installed.
MJ
There's so much detail here my head hurts. :icon_smile_big:
Great over the top job M. John!
Quote from: KurtfromLaQuinta on October 15, 2023, 06:06:16 PMThere's so much detail here my head hurts. :icon_smile_big:
Great over the top job M. John!
Thanks!
A lot of original details have been highlighted along the way.
MJ
John - The bottle looks great on your Bird! Glad I could help you with another hard to find part. It looks perfectly at home for such a nice original bottle. Joe
Quote from: Mopar John on August 08, 2023, 04:22:58 PMORIGINAL SUPERBIRD WASHER BOTTLE!
Recently a friend of mine got in touch with me an informed me that he had purchased a very nice original washer bottle. He asked me what date code that I was looking for? So I went to my Superbird parts stash and told him that my original bottle was dated the 274th day of 1969. So I told him I would go a bit earlier and up to 45 days
( 319 9 ) later with and early December assembly date. My first picture shows the 274 9 date on my original bottle. He checks his bottle and gets back with me and tells me that he has the same date of 274 9! WOW!
Needless to say I ended up purchasing that bottle. My second picture shows the date on that bottle. The reason I was so excited is that the closest I could come up to this point was an NOS bottle that was dated 145 0. I got a deduction for this by the engine compartment judge at Carlisle because the date was after the car was built.
So I can now cross another deduction off my shrinking list! My third picture shows the 145 0 bottle installed and the just purchased 274 9 bottle for comparison and how nice it looks! My fourth picture again shows the the 145 0 bottle installed and the original 274 9 original bottle for comparison. My last picture shows the recently purchased original 274 9 bottle installed!
MJ