I originally posted this thread in the Moparchat forum but then I found this site which I like much better:
I've always loved and wanted a Winged car but I see now that I will never own a real one. Now I've got myself all worked up about building a Winged clone and can't seem to get it out of my mind even though I am also restoring a 1970 4-speed matching numbers L78 Nova SS as well as trying to sell my all original 70 Chevelle SS. To feed my craving, I am trying to collect as much information as I can on how to actually build one of these warriors. I am looking at purchasing a 70 Road Runner but I have always liked the Daytonas better. I have been searching in the past forums and see that the 1970 Superbird used 1970 Coronet fenders and the 1969 Daytona used 1969 Charger fenders. I'm sure there are tons of other weird things to work out. My question is: What car should I buy initially to get started? Do I need two cars to actually make one? Is building one more expensive than the other? Does anyone actually make a complete kit like the Eleanor cars? Any help would be greatly appreciated.
Thanks, :cheers:
Al
Maine
Daytona clone all the way!!!!!
That would also be my preference. What do I need to purchase for a car(s) just to get started? I need to get something soon so I will have something to do this winter. i.e. Finding parts.
Thanks
Welcome to the site!!!! If I had my choice, I would build a Superbird clone because I already have a 69 Charger...its not a Daytona but its a Charger so I would want something else. But I think you should do a Daytona...gives you more choice for colours and etc such as stripe colour where the Superbird didnt have a stripe. Also, I think you could get more answers to your questions if you were to do a Daytona clone. :Twocents:
Quote from: dillon14 on November 04, 2007, 05:28:42 PM
I originally posted this thread in the Moparchat forum but then I found this site which I like much better:
I've always loved and wanted a Winged car but I see now that I will never own a real one. Now I've got myself all worked up about building a Winged clone and can't seem to get it out of my mind even though I am also restoring a 1970 4-speed matching numbers L78 Nova SS as well as trying to sell my all original 70 Chevelle SS. To feed my craving, I am trying to collect as much information as I can on how to actually build one of these warriors. I am looking at purchasing a 70 Road Runner but I have always liked the Daytonas better. I have been searching in the past forums and see that the 1970 Superbird used 1970 Coronet fenders and the 1969 Daytona used 1969 Charger fenders. I'm sure there are tons of other weird things to work out. My question is: What car should I buy initially to get started? Do I need two cars to actually make one? Is building one more expensive than the other? Does anyone actually make a complete kit like the Eleanor cars? Any help would be greatly appreciated.
Thanks, :cheers:
Al
Maine
Daytonas use 70 Charger fenders and hoods.
Am I right in assuming that I will need to purchase a 69 Charger to get started? I guess it doesn't need to be an R/T as the hide-away head lights will not be used anyways. As you can see, I'm just starting but I am a very good learner at the ripe old age of 57.
Thanks,
Al
Quote from: dillon14 on November 04, 2007, 07:25:32 PM
I guess it doesn't need to be an R/T as the hide-away head lights will not be used anyways.\
All 68-70 Charger's came with hide-aways...not just R/Ts.
I have always loved muscle cars of all types. I am a Deputy Warden at a prison here in Maine and I have started a program called "Saving Cars Behind Bars" We are now completing our 2nd car which is a 1970 Dodge Coronet R/T Convertible. It is a Clone with a 440 6-pac with a pistol grip 4-speed with console. Plum carzy with white bucket seat interior and black stripe and black convertible top. We have been 2.5 years restoring the car. I also have photos here of some of the cars that I have owned over the years. If you get bored, be my guest and take a look. I previously owned a super rare (1 of 4) all original 1970 Dodge Coronet R/T Hemi 4-speed that you can see there.
http://smg.photobucket.com/albums/v295/dillon14/Old%20Cars%201/
Thanks,
Al
If you decide to go with a 69 charger for a daytona you will need 70 charger hood/wing braces a pillars and fenders and front lower valance and 69 valiant parking light/turn signals.The rear 69 daytona /500 window plug and unique backwindow trim .Modified trunk lid and hinges etc .If you go with the 70 satellite or road runner for a superbird you will need 70 coronet fenders with fender extensions and center valance wing /braces a pillars etc and 70 fury turn clear signals and a 70 coronet hood to modify.Limits on the trunlk lid hinges a rear window and plug typical of a superbird with fillers pieces.A vinyl top your option Etc details vacuum /wiring .Satellite dash to rallye dash more work
Quote from: dillon14 on November 04, 2007, 07:25:32 PM
I guess it doesn't need to be an R/T as the hide-away head lights will not be used anyways.
Thanks,
Al
yikes...
I know more about chevelles than THAT. go through the archives, look at others' clones, and ask from there.
the easiest way to build a daytona clone is to start with a 70 charger take the front bumper off , modify the fenders ,add a nose and put a wing on it. now you have a clone. if you start with a 69 , you have to change the front fenders and hood and there both the same body and tail panel . don't waste money on an r/t . it won't be original when your down with it .
if you choose to plug the rear window it will get more complicated. plus to do the front hide a way lights are a pain in the ass. Rene
Quote from: BigBlockSam on November 04, 2007, 08:22:27 PM
the easiest way to build a daytona clone is to start with a 70 charger take the front bumper off , modify the fenders ,add a nose and put a wing on it. now you have a clone. if you start with a 69 , you have to change the front fenders and hood and there both the same body and tail panel . don't waste money on an r/t . it won't be original when your down with it .
if you choose to plug the rear window it will get more complicated. plus to do the front hide a way lights are a pain in the ass. Rene
:yesnod:
OK, I am definitely going with the Daytona. Now I need to know whether to buy a 69 or 70 Charger as there are different thoughts on which one to to start with. I do want to try and make a nice one and I am willing to pay as needed. I do want to have a 440 with a 4-speed and also have the smaller rear window. (Rear window plug)
the prob with using a 70 is the minor diffs such as the door panels seats inst cluster steering column rear s/m lamps ..all differant id get a 69 and find a set of 70 fenders and a 70 hood. :Twocents:
Quoteget a 69 and find a set of 70 fenders and a 70 hood.
:yesnod: thats what i did and HOWDY!
Quote from: dillon14 on November 04, 2007, 09:00:31 PM
OK, I am definitely going with the Daytona. Now I need to know whether to buy a 69 or 70 Charger as there are different thoughts on which one to to start with. I do want to try and make a nice one and I am willing to pay as needed. I do want to have a 440 with a 4-speed and also have the smaller rear window. (Rear window plug)
as i am building both a superbird clone and a daytona clone it is cheaper and easyier in my opinion to build a super bird clone 70 satelite are much cheaper then chargers. More parts are avalible and cheaper for the superbird clone. But you can most likely get more money for the car if you do the daytona ? your choice
Quoteit is cheaper and easyier in my opinion to build a super bird clone
i agree, but there are only two venders that i know that do bird noses in fiberglass. Janek and showcars. anybody know any others.
Don Currie builds bird noses in Canada but the shipping cost is outrageous.
Or, he could go with steel noses from Gean Gregory or Jack at Wingcarfab if he had an extra 6 or 7k to spend. ;D
Easiest way to buld a wing car.
For a Daytona, buy a 70 charger. Alter the fenders, add a nose assembly, fender scoops, Janek wing, wing washers and wing braces. Leave the back glass and trunk lid stock and just leave the 70 interior. Total cost...around 7 to 8k plus labor and of course the cost of the car.
For a bird, buy a 70 Satellite. Buy the 70 coronet fenders and hood, alter the fenders, add a nose assembly, fender scoops, alter the hood, add runner taillights, add a Janek wing, wing washers and wing braces. Leave the back glass stock and leave the interior stock. Total cost...around 9 to 10k plus the cost of the car.
To make the Daytona look more like the real thing, the total cost for me to alter the back glass using a vega plug, altering the trunk opening and altering the trunk including changing the hinges is around 2 grand.
The cheapest way to make the bird look more realistic is to use the fiberglass plug and lexan back glass. That runs around $1500 plus the cost of the vinyl top. To use a steel plug and glass back window and correct repro moldings, add another $3800.
In other words...it ain't easy and it sure as heck ain't cheap
To go all out with a conversion using the best parts and pieces, you could easliy spend 20 grand per car for the total transformation. But you can buy a nice Charger or Roadrunner for around 20 to 25k, spend 20k on the transformation and get every dime back when you sell it.
In my opinion, the Daytona would be the logical car to build. You usually won't be sharing the limelight with one of the real ones at your local car show and they're easier to build.
and a Janek wing....................................................... and a Janek wing.............................................. and a Janek wing.......................................some ones in love with there wing :icon_smile_big:
hotrod98,
Thanks for the response to my post. I am on the lookout for a 69 Charger now. I hope to find one that is in reasonable condition and was originally a 4-speed car as 4-speeds are the only way for me to go as long as I can still push the clutch in. I have seen a post regarding the Vega rear window plugs. A friend of mine knows where there are three Vegas that he believes are 72 to 75 range. Can you tell me more on what you actually need to salvage from the vega?
Thanks
QuoteCan you tell me more on what you actually need to salvage from the vega?
you need the hatch, glass and trim . :yesnod:
Why not put a wing and nose :icon_smile_big:on a vega ???????????
Quote from: dillon14 on November 04, 2007, 07:25:32 PM
Am I right in assuming that I will need to purchase a 69 Charger to get started?
If you want a REAL clone (huh), then yes, a '69 Charger is needed. If you want to do a created car that never existed, then using a '70 is another way to do it. I don't consider any '70 Chargers with wings to be clones. They are created cars.
I am definitely going with a 1969 Charger. Just trying to find one that is close to home and in reasonably good condition.
Quote from: Chris G. on November 06, 2007, 08:15:53 AM
Quote from: dillon14 on November 04, 2007, 07:25:32 PM
Am I right in assuming that I will need to purchase a 69 Charger to get started?
If you want a REAL clone (huh), then yes, a '69 Charger is needed. If you want to do a created car that never existed, then using a '70 is another way to do it. I don't consider any '70 Chargers with wings to be clones. They are created cars.
what ever floats your boat
Quote from: moparstuart on November 06, 2007, 09:03:35 AM
what ever floats your boat
Nothing to do with boats. It has to do with reality and fact. :icon_smile_wink:
Quote from: Chris G. on November 06, 2007, 09:13:26 AM
Quote from: moparstuart on November 06, 2007, 09:03:35 AM
what ever floats your boat
Nothing to do with boats. It has to do with reality and fact. :icon_smile_wink:
ok but in the reall world your the only one i have ever heard with that opinion your opinoin is yours but not realistic
apples and oranges
:yesnod: :shruggy: :smilielol: :eek2:
Quote from: moparstuart on November 06, 2007, 09:03:35 AM
Quote from: Chris G. on November 06, 2007, 08:15:53 AM
Quote from: dillon14 on November 04, 2007, 07:25:32 PM
Am I right in assuming that I will need to purchase a 69 Charger to get started?
If you want a REAL clone (huh), then yes, a '69 Charger is needed. If you want to do a created car that never existed, then using a '70 is another way to do it. I don't consider any '70 Chargers with wings to be clones. They are created cars.
what ever floats your boat
i personally agree with Chris G on this except, i call them clowns! if ma mopar didnt build it it cant be cloned IMO. i used to have a 68 satellite convertible done up to look like a factory 68 rr vert, i called it a clown because chrysler didnt build a 68 rr convertible ,but what i built was in my eyes, just how they would have ,if they did.
.......but anyway back on point, if you want to build a clone 69 daytona , where you could fool most people other than the #s it will be cheaper most likely do find a 69 rather than a 70. :Twocents:
you called your own car a clown car ? really . i find that kinda wierd.
did a bunch of little guys in costumes come running out of it everytime you parked it. :lol:
Quote from: BigBlockSam on November 06, 2007, 12:08:46 PM
you called your own car a clown car ? really . i find that kinda wierd.
did a bunch of little guys in costumes come running out of it everytime you parked it. :lol:
how many of them could you jam in it ?
Quote from: BigBlockSam on November 06, 2007, 12:08:46 PM
you called your own car a clown car ? really . i find that kinda wierd.
did a bunch of little guys in costumes come running out of it everytime you parked it. :lol:
I didnt call it a clown car ! i called it a "CLOWN" and you would be surprised of the places it will fit!! :D
i guess several people have done recreations of 70 daytona's i'm just cloning there's then
Quote from: 1hot68 on November 06, 2007, 12:57:12 PM
and you would be surprised of the places it will fit!! :D
hell of a lifestyle you live there, buddy...
:smilielol:
I won't be wronged, I won't be Insulted and I won't be laid a hand on. I don't do these things to others, and I require the same from them.
:nana:
Are you guys just BSing :nana: with each other or do you really not like one another? :flame:
Just wondering. :shruggy:
Quote from: pettybird on November 06, 2007, 02:18:15 PM
Quote from: 1hot68 on November 06, 2007, 12:57:12 PM
and you would be surprised of the places it will fit!! :D
hell of a lifestyle you live there, buddy...
you wish!!
Quote from: dillon14 on November 06, 2007, 02:38:47 PM
Are you guys just BSing :nana: with each other or do you really not like one another? :flame:
Just wondering. :shruggy:
thats a good question!!!
CANT WE ALL JUST PLAY NICELY NICE ???????????? :icon_smile_big: :icon_smile_big: :icon_smile_big:
Quote from: dillon14 on November 06, 2007, 02:38:47 PM
Are you guys just BSing :nana: with each other or do you really not like one another? :flame:
Just wondering. :shruggy:
They are BSing. :popcrn: I've met both and both are stand up guys :2thumbs:
Larry on the other hand i have not met, so i dont know about that guy, but i think he needs a hug :icon_smile_big: :lol: :lol: :lol:
I just purchased my 1969 Charger. I will post photos when I get home and get your opinion on what I spent.
hey, i'm just messing with you. please don't take it wrong. i mean no insult . we always bust each others balls. :cheers:
I've kinda always wanted to build a '70 Daytona clone/creation whatever. Would be a 440 Six Pack 4-speed 3:54 dana car, sunroof, pw, performance hood paint, wheel lip mouldings, standard charcoal interior with console, wood wheel, am 8 track, tach etc. Was thinking FY1 but can't go wrong with EV2, or even FE5.
The Watermelon car was pretty cool too but already been done.
I was thinking of just running the pinstripes instead of the big Daytona stripe....ahh we'll see. I am a few years away from even thinking about such a big project. For now I will just have to keep collecting the parts ;) while keeping an eye out for an affordable Wing Car....is there such a thing :rofl:
Dave
Here are the photos and info on the 6 Charge I just purchased. I paid $6900 for the Car. What do you guys think? Did I do OK?
1969 Dodge Charger with a 440 cubic inch engine. The Charger runs and drives. However, it does need restoration. With a little time and effort this will be one amazing car! We bought it with the intentions of restoring it but unfortunately we have several others that we also are restoring and haven't found the time to do this one also. The Charger is solid with very little rust, car is in currently in primer and needs small amount of body work to be ready to paint.
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v295/dillon14/1Daytona/69Charger-2.jpg)
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v295/dillon14/1Daytona/69Charger-1.jpg)
Quote from: dillon14 on November 06, 2007, 04:53:07 PM
Here are the photos and info on the 6 Charge I just purchased. I paid $6900 for the Car. What do you guys think? Did I do OK?
1969 Dodge Charger with a 440 cubic inch engine. The Charger runs and drives. However, it does need restoration. With a little time and effort this will be one amazing car! We bought it with the intentions of restoring it but unfortunately we have several others that we also are restoring and haven't found the time to do this one also. The Charger is solid with very little rust, car is in currently in primer and needs small amount of body work to be ready to paint.
Looks like you did alright Dillon. Are you going to make this one into a Daytona then?
That I am. :yesnod: :yesnod: :yesnod:
thats a cool car :2thumbs:
at a real good price too . make sure ya post pics . Rene
Quote from: dillon14 on November 06, 2007, 04:53:07 PM
Here are the photos and info on the 6 Charge I just purchased. I paid $6900 for the Car. What do you guys think? Did I do OK?
1969 Dodge Charger with a 440 cubic inch engine. The Charger runs and drives. However, it does need restoration. With a little time and effort this will be one amazing car! We bought it with the intentions of restoring it but unfortunately we have several others that we also are restoring and haven't found the time to do this one also. The Charger is solid with very little rust, car is in currently in primer and needs small amount of body work to be ready to paint.
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v295/dillon14/1Daytona/69Charger-2.jpg)
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v295/dillon14/1Daytona/69Charger-1.jpg)
great car for your clone project congrats you work fast
Congrats...Finding a 69 Charger was the easy part. Now you have to find those rare 70 Charger fenders and hood. Don't even get me started on how difficult that nose assembly is going to be. I've seen most daytona clone projects stall out when it came time to assemble and mount the nose on the car. Hang in there.
My plan is to purchase the metal nose and get the 72-75 Vega rear window plug. I am looking for fenders and a hood now.
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v295/dillon14/c1_1.jpg)
it looks like it has 70 seats
He told me that he thought the seats were not right. Something else to look for.
I got a neighbor who has owned several 70 chargers .Down in his basement he has 70 charger fenders and more
Isn't that a 'Bird nose 4 posts up? Don't think it will work on a Charger. :scratchchin: :shruggy:
Bryan
Quote from: nascarxx29 on November 06, 2007, 08:08:33 PM
I got a neighbor who has owned several 70 chargers .Down in his basement he has 70 charger fenders and more
Will he sell fenders and a hood?
Quote from: A383Wing on November 06, 2007, 09:38:40 PM
Isn't that a 'Bird nose 4 posts up? Don't think it will work on a Charger. :scratchchin: :shruggy:
Bryan
Yup...that's a bird nose. Won't fit on a Charger all that well.
Seems like the last time I priced the premium Daytona parts, it was over ten grand for the nose, headlamp piecess, z-braces, frame brackets and latch tray.
I know someone who built a Daytona clone, with Vega plug, for about $17000, including the 70 Charger to start with. Do most of the work yourself. If your clone costs you $85,000 in the end, you've done something wrong. I'm glad you went with a 69. That way you get the right interior and the rear side markers, an often overlooked detail in 'Clone World'.
He got fenders and a hood .I can post pictures and pm you his contact info
Quote from: nascarxx29 on November 07, 2007, 09:07:01 AM
He got fenders and a hood .I can post pictures and pm you his contact info
I would appreciate that. Thanks
Good luck on the build man!!! Looks like you started off with a good solid looking car. So guys...how many people on this site are actually building a Daytona clone right now?? Atleast 5 I think :popcrn:
Quote from: 69bronzeT5 on November 07, 2007, 04:47:33 PM
Good luck on the build man!!! Looks like you started off with a good solid looking car. So guys...how many people on this site are actually building a Daytona clone right now?? Atleast 5 I think :popcrn:
at least 10 I know of
MY MOMMY ! GETTING CLOSE TO THE END ON MY HEMI CLONE !
Quote from: daytonalo on November 07, 2007, 04:50:20 PM
MY MOMMY ! GETTING CLOSE TO THE END ON MY HEMI CLONE !
believe it when we see the pictures
Quote from: daytonalo on November 07, 2007, 04:50:20 PM
MY MOMMY ! GETTING CLOSE TO THE END ON MY HEMI CLONE !
:popcrn: :popcrn: :popcrn:
(http://i20.photobucket.com/albums/b229/Annie75414/DCP_0448-1.jpg)
What do you think of these colors?
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v295/dillon14/Presentation1.jpg)
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v295/dillon14/Presentation5.jpg)
i like the blue but i would put a white wing and stripe . :Twocents:
Hey Dillon, what is the fender tag color on the car you bought? If you cant decide on a color maybe that would help you lean one way or the other. If the car you bought was originally blue, then for no reason at all, keep the Daytona blue. (with a white stripe ;) )
Is this guy a member here? I just found this one thru google (which is at $732 btw :brickwall: )
http://www.musclecarsociety.com/dodge/charger/1969-dodge-charger-daytona-ron
Quote from: PocketThunder on November 08, 2007, 09:39:32 AM
Hey Dillon, what is the fender tag color on the car you bought? If you cant decide on a color maybe that would help you lean one way or the other. If the car you bought was originally blue, then for no reason at all, keep the Daytona blue. (with a white stripe ;) )
Is this guy a member here? I just found this one thru google (which is at $732 btw :brickwall: )
http://www.musclecarsociety.com/dodge/charger/1969-dodge-charger-daytona-ron
Hmmmm. I use to see that car all the time when I was 8 or 9 yrs old. He use to be my cousins next door neighbor in Bridewater, Mass
I hope it is the same one
Quote from: PocketThunder on November 08, 2007, 09:39:32 AM
Hey Dillon, what is the fender tag color on the car you bought? If you cant decide on a color maybe that would help you lean one way or the other. If the car you bought was originally blue, then for no reason at all, keep the Daytona blue. (with a white stripe ;) )
Is this guy a member here? I just found this one thru google (which is at $732 btw :brickwall: )
http://www.musclecarsociety.com/dodge/charger/1969-dodge-charger-daytona-ron
whats the deal with the tail lettering ?
Quote from: moparstuart on November 08, 2007, 09:51:50 AM
Quote from: PocketThunder on November 08, 2007, 09:39:32 AM
Hey Dillon, what is the fender tag color on the car you bought? If you cant decide on a color maybe that would help you lean one way or the other. If the car you bought was originally blue, then for no reason at all, keep the Daytona blue. (with a white stripe ;) )
Is this guy a member here? I just found this one thru google (which is at $732 btw :brickwall: )
http://www.musclecarsociety.com/dodge/charger/1969-dodge-charger-daytona-ron
whats the deal with the tail lettering ?
You know I actually thought about that when I looked at the car again and noticed the blue paint. I agree, if the car was originally blue, I'll keep it that color with the white stripe and wing.
I should have the car in about 10 days so I will know better then. I have not even seen the body tag.
Quote from: dillon14 on November 08, 2007, 09:57:48 AM
Quote from: moparstuart on November 08, 2007, 09:51:50 AM
Quote from: PocketThunder on November 08, 2007, 09:39:32 AM
Hey Dillon, what is the fender tag color on the car you bought? If you cant decide on a color maybe that would help you lean one way or the other. If the car you bought was originally blue, then for no reason at all, keep the Daytona blue. (with a white stripe ;) )
Is this guy a member here? I just found this one thru google (which is at $732 btw :brickwall: )
http://www.musclecarsociety.com/dodge/charger/1969-dodge-charger-daytona-ron
whats the deal with the tail lettering ?
You know I actually thought about that when I looked at the car again and noticed the blue paint. I agree, if the car was originally blue, I'll keep it that color with the white stripe and wing.
Ya thats cool. When i was restoring my 68 i was undecided on color and so i just went with the original color and made it easy on myself. It didnt hurt either that the original color was PP1 red :coolgleamA:
I found out today after receiving an email with a photo of the vin and body tag that the Charger was originally a 318 car and was painted (A4) Silver Metallic. I think this answers my question as to the color. I already posted a photo of the silver and red Daytona because I thought it looked really nice. Now that the original car was silver, I see no reason not to paint it back the original color.
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v295/dillon14/Presentation1.jpg)
Daytonas got painted A4 silver.Good enough for a original or a replica
Now that I have the color, I need my vanity plate. Here it is.
By the way, the State of Maine Plate Shop is at the prison that I run. (LOL) :2thumbs:
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v295/dillon14/1Daytona/VanityPlate.jpg)
This site has DodgeCharger 1969 paint charts to view available colors
http://www.tcpglobal.com/autocolorlibrary/cgi-bin/search/search.pl
http://www.tcpglobal.com/aclchip.aspx?image=1969-dodge-pg02.jpg Enter paint code and number.Example R4 Red
hey pal if i were you i would check out dayclona's stuff. i know of one person who has been very happy in the past using the parts. hate to utter the "d" word in here though......
Is his stuff better than Janek ????? :icon_smile_big:
I think it was less about the quality of parts offered by the "D" word and more about the way they seem to thrive on taking an adversarial approach to most threads.
When I go to the Dayclona.com site, it comes back as server not found. Do they have a new web site?
I just purchased the two front fenders. They seem to be in pretty good shape.
I also have the Hatch from a 1975 Vega coming from a friend.
Things are moving along.
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v295/dillon14/1Daytona/Fenders.jpg)
Quote from: dillon14 on November 11, 2007, 05:09:11 PM
When I go to the Dayclona.com site, it comes back as server not found. Do they have a new web site?
Comparing Mike's stuff to Janek's stuff is like comparing apples to oranges. I've heard that Mike's stuff at Dayclona is top notch but I've never been able to actually buy anything from him. When I tried to buy a nose a couple of years ago he said that they only made them during certain times of the year due to the cold temps. I totally understood. But, when I tried to buy parts again the next spring, I was told that it would be a few more months. Long story short, I was never able to buy anything. That's about the time that I started making the wing braces myself. I've been trying to make a lot of the other parts ever since, but can't seem to find the time. It takes a lot of time and dedication to make these parts. If we can convince Larry (daytonalo) to keep making the parts that he's been making, maybe eventually we'll be able to buy every part from a board member at a reasonable price. I plan to make more of the wing braces very soon. A couple of the board members have already placed orders. I had a guy lined up to make a lot of the fiberglass parts, but he's working 60 or 70 hours a week now and doesn't have the time or the energy to do it.
As for Janek's stuff, I have one of his fiberglass wings and I think it's great. I also have a few other pieces and I have no complaints. The only part that he makes that I wouldn't use is the fiberglass plug for the back window. It's not easy attaching fiberglass to steel and have it stay for long since they have different expansion rates. That and you're forced to use lexan for the back glass. Not good. Since you're using a vega plug it's a moot point anyway.
Keep us up to date on the transformation.
Quote from: dillon14 on November 11, 2007, 05:09:11 PM
When I go to the Dayclona.com site, it comes back as server not found. Do they have a new web site?
i couldnt get it to work either and it was aved in my favorites god knows why ?
Quote from: Ghoste on November 11, 2007, 04:59:59 PM
I think it was less about the quality of parts offered by the "D" word and more about the way they seem to thrive on taking an adversarial approach to most threads.
Well said.
Quote from: 1968 Charger B5 on November 11, 2007, 04:32:32 PM
hey pal if i were you i would check out dayclona's stuff. i know of one person who has been very happy in the past using the parts. hate to utter the "d" word in here though......
Haven't heard much out of Mike or Gary lately. Any idea what they're up to nowadays? Is Mike still building and selling parts? Curious minds want to know.
I'm gonna put my :Twocents: worth in here, even though I was not asked. I paid around $3,500 for all my 'glass Daytona parts from Janek in '96....(I did not get the window plug). Took a lot of work to get everything to fit as good as it does. I had already bought the parts from him and then found one of the real Nascar aluminum wings locally here, bought that wing and sold the glass one. I was very happy with the wing he made, but the rest of the parts, (ie., nosecone, Z-braces, lower valance, etc,) were really bad craftsmanship. The 'glass parts were warped and had poor finish. I'm not trying to turn this into a "bashing thread. Maybe his parts have changed since then, I don't know.
All I can say is, do yer homework and if ya gotta pay a bit more for quality clone parts, you won't be sorry later on.
Bryan (shutting up now) :-X
From my experiences ,he is the best we have right now !! I tried to order parts and he started preaching to me !!
I'm still looking for the 70 Charger hood. I saw one in Canada for $400 plus $150 shipping. I hope I can do better than that somewhere else. Does anyone out there have any leads? Thanks
Quote from: daytonalo on November 12, 2007, 09:36:56 PM
From my experiences ,he is the best we have right now !! I tried to order parts and he started preaching to me !!
well larry you need saving LOL
Quote from: moparstuart on November 13, 2007, 09:24:34 AM
Quote from: daytonalo on November 12, 2007, 09:36:56 PM
From my experiences ,he is the best we have right now !! I tried to order parts and he started preaching to me !!
well larry you need saving LOL
Ya think??????????? :icon_smile_big:
Quote from: daytonalo on November 12, 2007, 09:36:56 PM
From my experiences ,he is the best we have right now !! I tried to order parts and he started preaching to me !!
I agree to a point.
The Janek nose that Howie has is actually a pretty nice piece. The only problem with Janek is that he tends to make a lot of parts in fiberglass that shouldn't be made in fiberglass. The headlamp buckets, headlamp pivot brackets, z-braces and window plug are not going to hold up well in my opinion. His front valances and latch trays both fit well, although I think that the latch tray should be steel.
His fender scoops are made of a resin product and are very nice. I like Howie's Janek wing enough that when he bought a new hollow aluminum wing, I bought his Janek wing without hesitation. It's already on my car. :icon_smile_big:
I still need fender scoops, headlamp doors and a front valance. Anyone..anyone?
I'm going to have a "real" fab shop (long story) build the next batch of z-braces. Should be very affordable.
Quote from: hotrod98 on November 13, 2007, 09:54:54 PM
Quote from: daytonalo on November 12, 2007, 09:36:56 PM
From my experiences ,he is the best we have right now !! I tried to order parts and he started preaching to me !!
I agree to a point.
The Janek nose that Howie has is actually a pretty nice piece. The only problem with Janek is that he tends to make a lot of parts in fiberglass that shouldn't be made in fiberglass. The headlamp buckets, headlamp pivot brackets, z-braces and window plug are not going to hold up well in my opinion. His front valances and latch trays both fit well, although I think that the latch tray should be steel.
His fender scoops are made of a resin product and are very nice. I like Howie's Janek wing enough that when he bought a new hollow aluminum wing, I bought his Janek wing without hesitation. It's already on my car. :icon_smile_big:
I still need fender scoops, headlamp doors and a front valance. Anyone..anyone?
I'm going to have a "real" fab shop (long story) build the next batch of z-braces. Should be very affordable.
what ever you get fabbed for the front and nose stuff put me down for that stuff also , not doing the nose for a two to three years but want to start collecting parts
I'm making a list.
Also...I should be making a new batch of wing braces real soon. I'll be sure and post something so that no one misses out.
Quote from: hotrod98 on November 14, 2007, 05:59:01 PM
I'm making a list.
Also...I should be making a new batch of wing braces real soon. I'll be sure and post something so that no one misses out.
yes you know i need mine,but then you have to do the install so i know they will be extra nice LOL
Wouldn't have it any other way.
My paint booth is shipping out tomorrow and should be here Monday. I had planned to drive to San Antonio to pick it up but my sister-in-law works for a truck line and managed to get it shipped to me for less than $300. I couldn't even buy the gas for that price. I'm getting real close to starting the resto projects. Can't wait.
I talked to my fiberglass guy yesterday and he said that he should have more time real soon to help me with the mold for the daytona nose. That was a surprise. I had all but blown that project off. If it turns out nice, I may build a mold for the bird nose as well. We need more guys building more parts.
:icon_smile_big:
Yea, cupcake. I was referring to you.
I shall not carry the entire load !!!!!!!!!!!! :icon_smile_big:
Quote from: hotrod98 on November 14, 2007, 08:06:33 PM
Yea, cupcake. I was referring to you.
:rofl: :rofl: :rofl: Dammit the more i read this section of the site the more i want to start my own clone. Lets see..... Danes wing, your nosecone,..... dont need a window plug :scratchchin:
I have trunk hinges and A-pillar trim
Just talked to Howie regardng re-borrowing his Janek nose as well as his front valance. He said no problem. I had them here at my old shop for quite a while but never had the time to do anything with them. Everything's different now. I have a lot more time since leaving the dealership and I now have 6000 sq ft of shop space to work out of.
I also have a set of steel repro headlamp buckets. Would be nice if my fab shop could build them. They might be a little time consuming though which would run the price up. Might just have them punch the parts out flat and I'll build a form to shape them.
The problem with copying the z-braces is that all I have at my disposal (Howie's) is one set of Janek fiberglass versions and one set of rough older plain steel versions. I would love to have a set of originals or a set of correct reproductions to make repros as dimensionally accurate as possible. I'll probably just see if the fab shop can use both sets to come up with something that would work.
Quote from: daytonalo on November 14, 2007, 08:59:01 PM
I have trunk hinges and A-pillar trim
Can someone tell me what the A-Pillar trim is?
Is it specific to the Daytona?
Thanks
Also, can you use the automatic console if you are going to convert to a console with a 4-speed?
Quote from: dillon14 on November 14, 2007, 09:44:19 PM
Quote from: daytonalo on November 14, 2007, 08:59:01 PM
I have trunk hinges and A-pillar trim
Can someone tell me what the A-Pillar trim is?
Is it specific to the Daytona?
Thanks
The A-pillar trims are the stainless steel moldings on the windshield pillars. Superbirds have similar pieces as well.
These a-pillar trims are actually superbird pieces on a Daytona clone. The Daytona versions don't have the screws on the face area.
Were these specific to the Daytonas and birds only? Are they being reproduced? Thanks
Quote from: daytonalo on November 14, 2007, 08:59:01 PM
I have trunk hinges and A-pillar trim
Larry builds these items. And, they are top notch. I should know, I have both.
Thanks for the plug ! Your Braces are top notch as well !!!
Quote from: daytonalo on November 14, 2007, 11:41:49 PM
Thanks for the plug ! Your Braces are top notch as well !!!
Will his teeth be straight soon? :icon_smile_question: :smilielol:
Leave the comedy to me !!!!!!!!!!!!
Quote from: daytonalo on November 15, 2007, 12:59:01 AM
Leave the comedy to me !!!!!!!!!!!!
you type funny. you look funny, too?
Quote from: daytonalo on November 15, 2007, 12:59:01 AM
Leave the comedy to me !!!!!!!!!!!!
Maybe you would make more money at comedy.......well, maybe not.....don't quit yer day job.
Bryan :popcrn:
Quote from: dillon14 on November 14, 2007, 09:48:02 PM
Also, can you use the automatic console if you are going to convert to a console with a 4-speed?
How about this question?
daytonalo was building the a pillars at one time for daytonas. He may be making some more sets cause he sure aint no comedian. :yesnod:
Quote from: dillon14 on November 15, 2007, 05:55:20 AM
Quote from: dillon14 on November 14, 2007, 09:48:02 PM
Also, can you use the automatic console if you are going to convert to a console with a 4-speed?
How about this question?
Hey Dillon, you sure can. Follow along what this guy (Jet) did with his console. http://www.69hemi.com/interior.html
Click on the console button. :yesnod:
Quote from: daytonalo on November 14, 2007, 08:59:01 PM
I have trunk hinges and A-pillar trim
i still need some a pillars chromes from you just broke
Quote from: hotrod98 on November 14, 2007, 09:30:54 PM
Just talked to Howie regardng re-borrowing his Janek nose as well as his front valance. He said no problem. I had them here at my old shop for quite a while but never had the time to do anything with them. Everything's different now. I have a lot more time since leaving the dealership and I now have 6000 sq ft of shop space to work out of.
I also have a set of steel repro headlamp buckets. Would be nice if my fab shop could build them. They might be a little time consuming though which would run the price up. Might just have them punch the parts out flat and I'll build a form to shape them.
The problem with copying the z-braces is that all I have at my disposal (Howie's) is one set of Janek fiberglass versions and one set of rough older plain steel versions. I would love to have a set of originals or a set of correct reproductions to make repros as dimensionally accurate as possible. I'll probably just see if the fab shop can use both sets to come up with something that would work.
i need a nose(fiberglass will do for my car) and all the steel guts you can make so put me down for them if you go into production .
The top plate on the 4 spd is different, main console should work.
Here's the first step of my Daytona project. Inspiration!!! :2thumbs:
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v295/dillon14/1Daytona/Model.jpg)
...and just like most daytona clones...the headlamps don't even open. :icon_smile_big:
Quote from: hotrod98 on November 15, 2007, 07:44:05 PM
...and just like most daytona clones...the headlamps don't even open. :icon_smile_big:
Hey, mine do...as original.....so there! :rofl:
Bryan
Hopefully, when all is said and done, the headlamps on my daytona clone will work right.
My wife's bird clone on the other hand is a different story. She doesn't want to spend the grand for the good headlamp parts so we're placing the small rectangulars in the grille opening as originally planned.
Kind of like Knight Rider !!!!!!!
QuoteMy paint booth is shipping out tomorrow and should be here Monday
:boogie: :boogie: :boogie:
i have an extra aluminum wing and trunk braces . that i'm gonna sell . i was gonna build a pro street daytona but i could use the cash to get my daytona replica done.
:yesnod:
Rene, I'll get the word out. You should be able to move them with no problem. Decided on a price yet?
One of my body men has a 68 Charger that he plans to use to build a pro street daytona. I'll mention it to him.
Update...my paint booth is in Dallas now and heading this way. That's only 300 miles away. It's like Christmas every day around here. :icon_smile_big:
Quote from: dillon14 on November 15, 2007, 06:54:22 PM
Here's the first step of my Daytona project. Inspiration!!! :2thumbs:
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v295/dillon14/1Daytona/Model.jpg)
do the red interior thats hot!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Quote from: hotrod98 on November 15, 2007, 10:51:37 PM
Hopefully, when all is said and done, the headlamps on my daytona clone will work right.
My wife's bird clone on the other hand is a different story. She doesn't want to spend the grand for the good headlamp parts so we're placing the small rectangulars in the grille opening as originally planned.
and you can work out all the problem with your nose and have it perfected for mine
Quote from: moparstuart on November 16, 2007, 10:23:12 AM
Quote from: dillon14 on November 15, 2007, 06:54:22 PM
Here's the first step of my Daytona project. Inspiration!!! :2thumbs:
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v295/dillon14/1Daytona/Model.jpg)
do the red interior thats hot!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Red interior it will be.
Quote from: dillon14 on November 16, 2007, 10:30:24 AM
Quote from: moparstuart on November 16, 2007, 10:23:12 AM
Quote from: dillon14 on November 15, 2007, 06:54:22 PM
Here's the first step of my Daytona project. Inspiration!!! :2thumbs:
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v295/dillon14/1Daytona/Model.jpg)
do the red interior thats hot!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Red interior it will be.
great choice will be a beauty
Quotegreat choice will be a beauty
:yesnod:
I still have the Stinger Fiberglass wing for sale , 500