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I have had my 1969 Charger (b5 blue w/ white top blue interior) in London Kentucky for resto (Sent 2007) I just got my car last week as Keith and Kathy Pope are on the outs. Needless to say many of my original parts have been stolen and sold from this shop...also sold at numerous east coast shows. I would like to buy my parts back!!!!!!! I know it is a stretch but I am reaching out here.

ANY HELP??? I have been taken hard on this deal. If you have bought any of these parts or can help me replace please contact me....troy.johnson@wvc-ut.gov

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my original numbers matching 383 (2468130.11 E383 6242 built 6/11/1969)

Blue interior - am/8 track and bezel, lower dash pad with a/c, woodgrain steering and blue horn, kick panels, front bucket seats, arm rests and bases, all four MINT upper door pads, seat belts, buddy seat...and all my blue trim, visors, and rear view mirror, heater controls...

rechromed bumpers, mint chrome magnum 500 wheels and BF tires...14 inch, turn signals, parking lamps, jack, plastic rear cover, radiator, all ac components, and on and on....you get the jist.

I'm looking for help. You all know how long it takes to find this stuff....I'm not only out money...now all of my hard to get parts.

Troy

Hate to say it...I think you're screwed....time to lawyer up dude..... :Twocents:

these names sonds familiar  :scratchchin:

welcome to the site, and sorry thats plain old horrible.   :rotz: :flame:
you did right and comming here though,.. these folks love to help and have many great leads and ideas.   :pity:
looking forward to seeing you get some satisfaction.  :yesnod:

Ooooooo yes:
http://www.dodgecharger.com/forum/index.php/topic,47443.0.html

I didn know was familiar.

I had problems with my resto here in Utah...Keith was great to get the car and start the work...HOWEVER...if anyone wants to see the pics you will know what I mean. What was said would be done was not, was was paid for was not done, most of the parts I sent were not used, and most of the stuff I had is gone.

3 year resto....waiting on legendary, blah blah....not sure what direction Kreative Customs is going...but what is left there is a sad sight indeed. I am out alot of money and alot of parts!

I am letting Keith and Kathy settle their differences, then I'll settle mine.

Troy

I'm probably missing something here, but it sounds to me like the time for patience is long past. :shruggy:

I know.....but now I'm redoing my resto, searching all over hell and back for replacement parts, and on it goes. My business in KY has not been concluded. Just need for them to sort out (in court) the "he said - she said" before I steam ahead!

this whole deal is going to get really ugly for a lot of people. i can't go into details right now but i had 2 R/T's there and i picked them up a week ago and they were shells, so far i'm looking at about $35000 lost not counting that only 1 shell is even buildable.  i won't rest until i get my money back or someone is in prison. 

FWIW a lot (not all) of those parts are being nicely reproduced now

Quote from: 69charger2002 on February 01, 2010, 02:48:54 PM
this whole deal is going to get really ugly for a lot of people. i can't go into details right now but i had 2 R/T's there and i picked them up a week ago and they were shells, so far i'm looking at about $35000 lost not counting that only 1 shell is even buildable.  i won't rest until i get my money back or someone is in prison. 

Ouch Travis that sucks.  I remember reading in this thread you had two cars there,

http://www.dodgecharger.com/forum/index.php/topic,47443.0.html

and I thought to myself I hope he got those out of there before sh!t hit the fan.

Good luck to both of you.

hello & welcome  T/U  :cheers: :wave: sorry to hear about this stuff with your charger , like was mentioned  here , some of the stuff is repoped etc , don't help i know , but  thing is your  matching numbers  motor !! & locating that !!  
 hope the ********** who sold it never ground the numbers off & restamped it   :RantExplode: :fireangry:

Quote from: 69charger2002 on February 01, 2010, 02:48:54 PM
this whole deal is going to get really ugly for a lot of people. i can't go into details right now but i had 2 R/T's there and i picked them up a week ago and they were shells, so far i'm looking at about $35000 lost not counting that only 1 shell is even buildable.  i won't rest until i get my money back or someone is in prison.  

oh crikey Trav  sorry to hear that , damn  :RantExplode:  

I'll keep an eye out up here in Minnesota, see if we can help find anything. Not sure if anything will make it this far, but I'll help if i can.

Sorry it happened to you guys. damn that sucks.

I'm surprised these people haven't gotten themselves shot. :rotz:

Lawyer up now! If you are reading my post you are wasting more time. They never waited for the money you sent - Lawyer up now.

Were banding together...just want all the victims to come forward....!! The wheels are in motion......

If you see any happy customers from the past in a post here or other forums, it's because they probably have yours, Trav's or many others parts.   :flame:   When doing something like this, it's easier to find the happy customers and get them to talk to you.   :icon_smile_wink:   Just don't let the happy customer know they may be a victim.   :icon_smile_cool:   I feel bad for you guys and hope you nail these guys.   

Unfortunately these types of crooks don't usually get treated harshly enough by the courts considering the damage they do  :flame:

I may have your visors, bought a blue set on ebay recently-

http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=200421431376&viewitem=&sspagename=STRK:MEWNX:IT#ht_843wt_1095

If your research eventually discovers that this seller was involved in any way knowingly, I'll be happy to participate in the prosecution.
Even if these aren't your originals, they're in fine shape and may be a little darker than my interior anyway. Wifey say so...

Eric

Hm. Same seller...
http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/1968-70-DODGE-CHARGER-GTX-CORONET-HEATER-CONTROL-68-69_W0QQitemZ200433848441QQcmdZViewItemQQptZMotors_Car_Truck_Parts_Accessories?hash=item2eaac9d079#ht_2081wt_1095

I remember a blue horn button going by, blue seatbelts and buddy seat too, I think...I bought a blue dash part for below the steering column also, that was the best part of a year ago. I still have that too, which I bought on a whim not necessity.

feel for ya mate. sucks.

make sure you keep a lookout down under. word has it some of our parts could have headed that way. i have mopar friends down there keeping an eye out

I keep seeing Charger stuff going on Lexington and Louisville Craigslist from around that area,
may want to check there too (if you havent already)

This is probably common knowledge, but just in case you don't know....

You can search Craiglist nation wide with a Google search:  Craigslist 1969 charger (or some combination of that - just make sure you include Craigslist, i.e. Craigslist mopar dash pad, Craigslist 383, etc, etc). 

It doesn't pic up everything, but it may be an efficient way for you to keep tabs on your parts or replacement parts if they pop up on craigslist anywhere.

If this isn't common knowledge:  Damn, I should have PM'd you.

Good luck!!!!!

There is a pretty big swap meet set for the First weekend of March in Indianapolis. My Dad and a few friends of his will be selling there. I will tell him to pass the word. Most of those guys are like hawks when the parts are unloaded from the trailers.

That would be awesome. mostly chargers were in his shop, so if someone gets out with grills,painted hoods, fenders, doors, tons of nice black interior, clusters, all 69-70 vintage, i would appreciate it if you guys could be on the lookout up there. i'm losing about half my life savings in these 2 cars, and i am not going to lay down and just take it. but all of us victims will need as much help as possible!   :'(   :icon_smile_angry:
haven't slept much in 2 weeks now..
trav

PS. stripe delete thanks for the craigslist tip!

Take this crook for all he's worth

Quote from: stripedelete on February 02, 2010, 12:33:34 PM
This is probably common knowledge, but just in case you don't know....

You can search Craiglist nation wide with a Google search:  Craigslist 1969 charger (or some combination of that - just make sure you include Craigslist, i.e. Craigslist mopar dash pad, Craigslist 383, etc, etc).  

It doesn't pic up everything, but it may be an efficient way for you to keep tabs on your parts or replacement parts if they pop up on craigslist anywhere.

www.searchtempest.com does the same thing only I would imagine it works a little better. It was created for the purpose of searching Ebay and CL on a widespread basis and you can uncheck the Ebay box if you want to search CL only. Here's an example of a nationwide search from my zip code: http://www.searchtempest.com/results.php?ebover=1&page=0&Region=na&citySelect=zip&catname=auto+parts&maxDist=50000&zip=97024&showeb=1&category=8&subcat1=ccc&subcat2=eee&subcat3=ggg&subcat4=hhh&subcat5=jjj&subcat6=ppp&subcat7=res&subcat8=pts&subcat9=bbb&addThree3=&minAsk4=min&maxAsk4=max&bedrooms=&minAsk6=min&maxAsk6=max&minAsk8=min&maxAsk8=max&search_string=1969+1968+Dodge+Charger&keytype=all&search_string_neg=

 Wow that's pretty usefull there! Thanks Bull!  :2thumbs:
back on topic though,.. this is pretty ugly, i hope you guys get some satisfaction.

So when did the wheels start coming off the wagon? Was the business reputable before this or were they always ripping people off?

wheels must have come off in late 08 and 09.. i had 2 cars partially done there with no real problems. one car had new disc brakes installed, some interior done, etc. the other car had a new paint job put on it, new seat covers, carpet, etc. both done with no problems.. ah well lesson learned. i can't believe how some people can just not have a conscience for other people's money. it's one thing to not do the labor hired to do, but to steal all the parts and sell them/hide them? unacceptable.

Quote from: 69charger2002 on February 02, 2010, 04:57:53 PM
wheels must have come off in late 08 and 09.. i had 2 cars partially done there with no real problems. one car had new disc brakes installed, some interior done, etc. the other car had a new paint job put on it, new seat covers, carpet, etc. both done with no problems.. ah well lesson learned. i can't believe how some people can just not have a conscience for other people's money. it's one thing to not do the labor hired to do, but to steal all the parts and sell them/hide them? unacceptable.

No excuse for sure...I'm sorry this happened to you guys. I guess that's why I do most of my own work myself. I'm lucky I guess, I have a great body man (who is expensive as HELL), 2 good engine builders and lots of patience .....

  I hate hearing these stories , I have been ripped off by body shops and it sickens me to hear these stories over and over .  Very sad that you cant trust people anymore  .  :rotz: :rotz: :rotz: :rotz:  I reallyhope you guys can get some recourse.

Quote from: moparstuart on February 02, 2010, 05:17:11 PM
  I hate hearing these stories , I have been ripped off by body shops and it sickens me to hear these stories over and over .  Very sad that you cant trust people anymore  .  :rotz: :rotz: :rotz: :rotz:  I reallyhope you guys can get some recourse.

Couldn't have said it better myself. That just shows it can happen to anyone.

Its a shame...really hope you get some of your stuff back  :rotz:

And the guys i bring my car to always ask why the hell i drive 4 hours rather than finding something local. This is the exact reason why.

Please tell me you guys have a contract from them or copy of a work order.   :shruggy:   

  I don't know if this is any better than what's been posted for searching craiglist, but I find it pretty handy...



    http://www.craiglook.com/

Wow, this is just sickening. 

Sorry to hear of your losses, Travis & new Troy.

NEal

Sorry to hear bout this type thing happening again guys, but the sad reallity is the worse this economy gets, the more and more I see this happening to good, hard workin' people....I don't build/restore cars for a living I just mess with them on the side for a few customers...I have done one '69 Charger R/T Clone front to rear for less than $2000.00....And had to paint it twice as I just knew the guy wasn't gonna like the job that was on it..I just finished a '69 RoadRunner for a friend in Wisconsin for less than $4000.00 start to finish...
Needless to say, I'm gonna have to go up on my prices cause they way I figure it, you are at least getting all the parts that came on your car back with it...
Charger (This was the days BEFORE AMD)
1. Replaced front fenders with fiberglass, removed at cust. request and installed metal fenders he bought that looked like they'd been run over, block sand and straighten said fenders.
2. R&R rear innner wheel wells, trunk ext., and trunk floor.
3. R&R rear quarters.
4. Straighten hood (Crunched in front)
5. Fill, Block sand doors as dent was right in the side scoops on BOTH doors.
6. Remove all glass and get quarter windows working (didn't work for over 14 Years)
7. Rewire and rebuild dash (Cust hooked battery up backwards)
8. Convert from console auto, to 4-speed.
9. rebuild 440 engine.
10. Install front disc brake, rebuild entire 8 3/4 rear.
11.Rebuild grille assy..
12. Install seat covers,carpet, door panels.
13. Pull trans THREE different times for cust. mistakes...(Wrong flywheel, crack in bell, trans supplied was bad)
14. PAINT rear R/T stripe on car.
15. Paint Car Twice..(Intense Blue)
All this for under $2000.00 cause he was a "Buddy"...and was worried SICK cause MY REPUTATION was on the car..I just can't see how these people are charging these HUGE prices and getting away with this kinda sh*t...I would NEVER even THINK of stealling anothers parts, let alone re-selling them!? This is just plain wrong..Go get 'em and remember that there are honest people out there that try to give you more than you think your getting....

Damn, sorry to hear it guys. Thats sucks. Its bad enough to lose money for labor or whatever is paid, but really what could be the excuse for all of the parts gone?Did they even have anything to say about that? I hope you act in time to get some satisfaction before its just a bankrupcy situation for that company and nothing for the victims. Hopefully there is criminal charges that can be done against them. I'll keep an eye open in Michigan for you. Sorry to hear it and good luck with it all.

Wow they must have a big set of brass ones hangin to try that kinda dealings. Sounds like a chop shop scam. I hope you guys get justice somehow.

I hate to say it but when I read these stories I feel better about the times I've been ripped off because (knock on wood) it hasn't been anywhere near this bad for me. And I don't know how you guys can manage a project when you're sending your cars to distant locations for resto work? It's been bad enough for me when the car was only a few miles from home. I've been screwed by people in my own town, even when I've checked the progress once or twice a week. You'd have to feel pretty helpless when you can't keep an eye on things.

Messed up deal, sorry guys. I'll keep a look out up here in Alaska!

Quote from: Ghoste on February 01, 2010, 01:31:54 PM
I'm probably missing something here, but it sounds to me like the time for patience is long past. :shruggy:

:iagree:
Sorry to hear the bad news.
If not already done, you need to file a police report and call the FBI if you believe/have proof the parts went over state lines. If you put the squeeze on this guy right now, he may have the parts stashed and might pull them out to avoid a criminal charge. If you wait to long, he may tell to many lies to then risk pulling them out down the road. Hopefully, if you act quick, you can also find some of the employees before they scatter into the woodwork. The employees could be very helpful witnesses who could have seen the removal of parts and know the location/sale of parts. Your only power is to force the criminal charge if he does not produce the parts or if he doesn't repay the money.

Most criminal convictions can have a restitution clause attach which requires the party to repay the victims or you could even get money from a state victims fund. Go to the police with receipts/documentation etc, to show that this guy had possession of these items.

If the parts were stolen over the course of two/three years ago then the parts are most likely already gone. Waiting will make you a general creditor way down on the list and you'll most likely see nothing.  So I would say your only real play is to seek criminal action against this guy in order to get a chance at being repaid. :Twocents:

keith also ripped me off on my 70 charger stole my money and all my parts ,,,along with three other people i know he ripped off too,,he killed my charger

Quote from: 69charger2002 on February 02, 2010, 02:10:01 PM
That would be awesome. mostly chargers were in his shop, so if someone gets out with grills,painted hoods, fenders, doors, tons of nice black interior, clusters, all 69-70 vintage, i would appreciate it if you guys could be on the lookout up there. i'm losing about half my life savings in these 2 cars, and i am not going to lay down and just take it. but all of us victims will need as much help as possible!   :'(   :icon_smile_angry:
haven't slept much in 2 weeks now..
trav

PS. stripe delete thanks for the craigslist tip!

keith pope ripped me off very bad too, destroyed my 70 charger sold all my parts, 3 of us are trying to get some action against him right now

I wonder if anybody here has the correct names, address, phone number, business name/card and any lic. # or LLC # of these fine folks ?    :shruggy:    I just wonder if somebody has this info, would it get posted on here ?    :shruggy: :icon_smile_cool:

keith pope,,aka kreative customs ,now trying to use name keith's speed shop,,,beware  he destroyed my 70 charger all my blue interior  , my bumpers and grille ,my tail lights ,headlamps doors and pumps,steering colum and wheel, trim around top,,,ect,ect, any parts for sale for 70 charger i would like to buy back,e-mail darwynn@windstream.net will not rest till i can send him to jail

Are we sure Pope is the last name ? 

Quote from: skip68 on February 11, 2010, 05:58:18 PM
Are we sure Pope is the last name ? 

yes keith h. pope of london kentucky

 :2thumbs:

Chuck's on the job now :D

Kathy Sergent ring a bell ?   This so called "Keith's speed shop" is another shop that IS NOT open to the public.  You know the kind "BK auto"     [/size] :smilielol:    You can call or email.   They claim to have nothing to do with "Kreative Customs LLC....   Now get this, if you want to email them (Keith's speed shop) the email is kreativecustomsLLC@yahoo.com    :smilielol:    The phone number is the same as well.   :scratchchin:    

thats his wife ,,,,guess they are trying to get a new load of customers :scratchchin:

I hope all come out ok. 

I can't believe people are getting robbed like this and he's still walking around.

Quote from: skip68 on February 11, 2010, 06:44:06 PM
Kathy Sergent ring a bell ?   This so called "Keith's speed shop" is another shop that IS NOT open to the public.  You know the kind "BK auto"     [/size] :smilielol:    You can call or email.   They claim to have nothing to do with "Kreative Customs LLC....   Now get this, if you want to email them (Keith's speed shop) the email is kreativecustomsLLC@yahoo.com    :smilielol:    The phone number is the same as well.   :scratchchin:    

OBVIOUSLY BRILLIANT people! Thank God that people like this are too stupid to get out of their own way...it is a blessing. Nail them to the wall and then some. Sours a good thing!

i bet one day he'll get his. he will mess wiyh the wrong person some day. maybe he aleady has.

 :brickwall: hi everyone i am in vansant,va. i bought a 1968 dodge charger 383/4-speed sent it to keith and kathy pope(sergent?) on november 25 2007,for total restoration more or less to be cloned as the black charger from bullitt.well i could rattle off 3 days straight of the lies i was told but more or less perfect green bucket seat interiorconsole delete,compete 4speed 383 set up, gauge cluster perfect grill fenders doors trim,........in short i have a stripped shell i'd say no longer buildable,.....cause i did not see my v.i.n.# as of dec 4 2009,....was told on 12 of jan 2010 that it was all gone plus my 28,000$,......need any sure footed help,advice,other victims to contact me ect,...TROY contact me please or any other who could,.... captainchaos71@gmail.com i will reply to any all,............god bless
                               raythen

Quote from: rt green on February 11, 2010, 08:43:54 PM
i bet one day he'll get his. he will mess wiyh the wrong person some day. maybe he aleady has.

It would be hard not to, go to the local hardware store and buy a Walking Tall stick.

Wow!  This really has gone from "bad business" to criminal.   I hope someone ends up behind bars.

I will bet that when they get to the bottom of this they will find a crack pipe(or the like).

Quote from: bullitt68dodgecharger on February 11, 2010, 10:11:27 PM
:brickwall: hi everyone i am in vansant,va. i bought a 1968 dodge charger 383/4-speed sent it to keith and kathy pope(sergent?) on november 25 2007,for total restoration more or less to be cloned as the black charger from bullitt.well i could rattle off 3 days straight of the lies i was told but more or less perfect green bucket seat interiorconsole delete,compete 4speed 383 set up, gauge cluster perfect grill fenders doors trim,........in short i have a stripped shell i'd say no longer buildable,.....cause i did not see my v.i.n.# as of dec 4 2009,....was told on 12 of jan 2010 that it was all gone plus my 28,000$,......need any sure footed help,advice,other victims to contact me ect,...TROY contact me please or any other who could,.... captainchaos71@gmail.com i will reply to any all,............god bless
                               raythen

WOW  :o
I'm affraid I can't help you but I wish you all the best in recovering your losses......damn that must be hard to face especially if every penny that goes in this hobby for the most of us means hard work during the week.....
Really if this happened to me that guy would end up dead, simple as that................however don't listen to me there are no Chargers in jail so remain calm and use the legal ways to hunt these people.......

a group of us victims were supposed to be at the london ky court house monday 15th with the county att. now more  BAD NEWS, the COMMOMWEALTH ATT. of london ky has called us and told us we have no reason to be there and there will be no indictments, would not give any reasons why,,,WHAT KIND OF JUSTICE IS IN LONDON KY, WHERE YOU CAN DO A CRIMINAL ACT AS STEALING 8 TO 10 PEOPLES MONEY THEN STRIP THEIR CARS DOWN TO A SHELL AND SELL THEIR PARTS,,,,,WOW ITS UNREAL !!!   :brickwall:,,,,,any advice besides crying                         BEWARE KEITH POPE ,KREATIVE CUSTOMS, KEITH'S SPEED SHOP OF LONDON KY. :flame:

Just coast...   :icon_smile_wink:   Don't worry so much about what some local law may think right now.       Keep a cool head and try not to say to much.   :cheers:   Don't let the anger get you.   Take this time and energy to gather info and put things together.   Think back and write down everything that has happened in order while it's fresh in your mind.  All of you need to do this.    :icon_smile_wink:

Quote from: harlandodge on February 12, 2010, 09:43:22 AM
a group of us victims were supposed to be at the london ky court house monday 15th with the county att. now more  BAD NEWS, the COMMOMWEALTH ATT. of london ky has called us and told us we have no reason to be there and there will be no indictments, would not give any reasons why,,,WHAT KIND OF JUSTICE IS IN LONDON KY, WHERE YOU CAN DO A CRIMINAL ACT AS STEALING 8 TO 10 PEOPLES MONEY THEN STRIP THEIR CARS DOWN TO A SHELL AND SELL THEIR PARTS,,,,,WOW ITS UNREAL !!!   :brickwall:,,,,,any advice besides crying                         BEWARE KEITH POPE ,KREATIVE CUSTOMS, KEITH'S SPEED SHOP OF LONDON KY. :flame:

I would show up anyway. If you have pics bring them too....along with your attourney if you have one.

  and call all the local media.  :brickwall:

Yep, lots of media.

Media YES !  Just not yet....  Be cool, patient and in control.   Know what the outcome of your moves will be before you make them.  Sometimes, it's important to make alot of noise.   BUT, in this case, I think it would serve all to hold off on making alot of noise just yet.    :icon_smile_wink:    I'm in your corner guys.    :2thumbs:

Guess london ky has gone a little soft....

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rainey_Bethea

Quote from: stripedelete on February 12, 2010, 12:33:28 PM
Guess london ky has gone a little soft....

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rainey_Bethea

Good God a 70 year old woman?.. Damn that is not right.

Those were the old days huh?  Get hanged for rape, now they get out of jail so they can go out and do it again...  :flame:

Quote from: stripedelete on February 12, 2010, 12:33:28 PM
Guess london ky has gone a little soft....

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rainey_Bethea

Sorry folks, I should have read that a little closer.   For some reason I have always thought the last public hanging was in London KY.....

http://www.lectlaw.com/def2/w017.htm

Federal court, felony, screw the local jurisdiction.
In the communications age, everybody should become familiar with interstate wire fraud.

The real problem is how to get an attorney to take the case, since there is no hope of a large cash award for them to pursue.

Maybe an attorney who OWNS muscle cars and will do it for the principal.

he used to claim to go to a lot of car shows in ,florida,,mississippi,ohio,indiana,carolinas,and rod run in tennessee,maybe someone will remember buying stuff from him and let us know,,  also he is now prentending to be a certified summit dealer wearing the summit clothing and using summit banners  at car shows and drag strips

Quote from: harlandodge on February 12, 2010, 09:43:22 AM
a group of us victims were supposed to be at the London KY court house Monday 15th with the county att. now more  BAD NEWS, the COMMOMWEALTH ATT. of London KY has called us and told us we have no reason to be there and there will be no indictments, would not give any reasons why,,,WHAT KIND OF JUSTICE IS IN LONDON KY, WHERE YOU CAN DO A CRIMINAL ACT AS STEALING 8 TO 10 PEOPLES MONEY THEN STRIP THEIR CARS DOWN TO A SHELL AND SELL THEIR PARTS,,,,,WOW ITS UNREAL !!!   :brickwall:,,,,,any advice besides crying                         BEWARE KEITH POPE ,KREATIVE CUSTOMS, KEITH'S SPEED SHOP OF LONDON KY. :flame:

I don't know of any Court house open on Monday. Check the date.

If you are from out of state then call the FBI and file a complaint. Call the US attorney in that area. Here is a link to the correct district office.  http://www.justice.gov/usao/kye/
US Attorney-Eastern District
601 Meyers Baker Road, Second Floor
London, KY 40741 (606)864-5523 (606)864-3590
As stated, if they did business seeking out of state business online, then it becomes a federal crime. Remember the squeaky wheel gets the grease.. :Twocents:

yeah as harlandodge stated i  have heard him in person,on phone,also seen it stated on his website a summit racing distributor.

Forward all complaints to Summit they won't want any part of him.

It seems awful fishy to me that victims of the Popes would be told NOT to show up in court. Are you sure those who called you are truly who they claim to be and not one of Pope's buddies trying to "throw you off the trail" so to speak? The guy knows that you all have him by the nads and he will probably try just about anything to stay out of jail.

yes very strange

For those of us with cars in KY...I have talked to the state police, the county attorney, and the commonwealth attorney. They are indeed taking the information of those involved, the losses, and what has and has not been going on. They are (as one post earlier intelligently put it) in the information gathering stage. They have taken an interest...however the only court proceedings going on right now are related to their separation/divorce.

So if you are one of those mentioned above....keep in touch with the Commonwealth DA's Office.

Troy/ Utah

And thank you to those of you that have tried to help locating parts...and those of you willing to sell parts to help get these cars back on the road!  You are appreciated!There are lots of great people on this site!      :yesnod:

well i hope all goes well for us,......but seeing im on here as a registered user now anyone have 68 charger parts for sale? :'(

You might want to check this ad. 

http://montana.craigslist.org/cto/1607027825.html

It is a company/or someone from ND trying to sell parts from several cars.

Wow! If I had lost that much money and cars, I think I would have to pay him a personal visit.

I have a gorilla sized friend that used to be a bouncer, bodyguard, prison guard, etc.
He says pain comes in $100 increments.
You need to find someone like that.

Quote from: 67_Dodge_Charger on February 19, 2010, 12:04:21 AM
You might want to check this ad. 

http://montana.craigslist.org/cto/1607027825.html

It is a company/or someone from ND trying to sell parts from several cars.
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You don't have to worry about this guy. I've known him for many many years and he is a friend of mine. He is legit as they come, and he parts out cars. He has lots of stuff. However he may have heard something. But one thing for sure Byron is no crook.

Quote from: chargergirl on February 15, 2010, 08:56:36 PM
Forward all complaints to Summit they won't want any part of him.

spoke with a representive of summit, he states that keith kreative customs did have an account to buy wholesale,but was not a factory authorized dealer for summit as he states on their website,just wondering if he's a factory authorized dealer for chassis engineering , year 1 ,the paddock , shermans sheetmetal , as they also state on their web site

That would be one of the things I would be doing now.   Now that this is coming out on here and there are several complaints, this is a good time to let his contacts/venders know what's going on.   They will want NOTHING to do with anyone in question and quickly detatch themselves from him.  Give them this link and ask them what they know about this or what part they have in this.   We know the venders have no part in this but by asking them, it will make them look into it more so and step back from him.   Start cutting off his connections for business.    :yesnod:   DO NOT SLANDER HIM OR TELL YOUR LONG STORY.   THEY WON'T CARE !  Show NO emotion and ask a few questions as if you are investigating them.  Just play dumb, let them know their name is connected and make them aware is all you need do.    :icon_smile_wink:      

Quote from: skip68 on February 19, 2010, 10:30:16 AM
That would be one of the things I would be doing now.   Now that this is coming out on here and there are several complaints, this is a good time to let his contacts/venders know what's going on.   They will want NOTHING to do with anyone in question and quickly detatch themselves from him.  Give them this link and ask them what they know about this or what part they have in this.   We know the venders have no part in this but by asking them, it will make them look into it more so and step back from him.   Start cutting off his connections for business.    :yesnod:   DO NOT SLANDER HIM OR TELL YOUR LONG STORY.   THEY WON'T CARE !  Show NO emotion and ask a few questions as if you are investigating them.  Just play dumb, let them know their name is connected and make them aware is all you need do.    :icon_smile_wink:      

Now normally this goes against every fiber of my being. But listen to this guy, he knows his $hit.

copenhagen denmark. keith have 2009 good EBAY fedbag naw closed
no stolen here aniway 've sent Keith and Kathy more than $ 12,000 in the middle
2009 dawn pay  1 440 engines + 1 472 stroker i get som mails are the proceeds otherwise no nonsense 10 months and nothing.
bandit yes

Now comes INTERPOL.

Just Call the Kentucky State Police at 1-606-878-6622.Det Mark Allen is conducting the investigation for you guys.Pass this information on if you have been took by Keith Pope and Kreative Customs

70 hemi cuda dk you need to notify fbi here in states or ky state police through the phone# shown my goodness surely that creep aint crooked people internationally too,.......

I think they have done more than sell stolen parts and take money from people.   :popcrn:  

i spoke with det. mark allen today , he want anyone with any information or anyone that has been took in by this guy to contact him @ 1-606-878-6622,,,also if anyone has insurane on their car file a claim and let them investagate it also

70hemicuda dk contact me for my phone# e mail address id like to get you to talk to the right people,........this guy and his help needs to have the heavy hand of justice to come down hard on their asses  :RantExplode:

Quote from: bullitt68dodgecharger on February 26, 2010, 07:07:29 PM
70hemicuda dk  contact me for my phone# e mail address id like to get you to talk to the right people...

He already has Det. Allen's number.    :icon_smile_wink:   Like what's been said before, you all need to get together and not just on here.   Bullit68dodgecharger, London KY is a somewhat small community.  This means there is a chance that some of the local law may know of Keith or Kathy and not just in a bad way.   :-\    This makes it real important that you all become organized and stay on top of it.   Make copies of everything you guys need to send and keep the originals.   Once you all get together maybe elect one of you as the leader/rep.  This will keep you all up to speed, united and help to insure you all stick together for support and strength.     ;)   Good luck my friends....

Chuck....................... 

Wow, I feel real bad for all who were taken by these punks. I will keep an eye out on the east coast for a mass quantity of Charger/B-body parts being sold. He better not show his face at any of the big Mopar shows, he'll never make it out alive!!! Post a pic of this theif, if you can.

I live in London KY and work for the state Police here..Just make sure everyone gets in touch with Det. Mark Allen. He will help you as much as possible and get everyone in the right direction..Just stick togeather and stay on top of things.

Keith Pope scheduled to be a vendor at the Corvette Expo March 26-27 at the Sevierville Events center in Tennessee, gates open at 9am. Wonder if he'll still be around?

 :Twocents:

I dont know...there was an 90's c-vette at his house when I loaded up, but I believe it belonged to his wife. Maybe he is looking to restore Corvettes/Chevy brand now...or maybe continue to sell the racing parts?

Troy/Utah

Quote from: greatwn73 on March 02, 2010, 10:46:41 AM
Keith Pope scheduled to be a vendor at the Corvette Expo March 26-27 at the Sevierville Events center in Tennessee, gates open at 9am. Wonder if he'll still be around?

What would be the repercussions of someone hanging out near his booth and making sure everyone knows his business practices?

well i actually had that same idea ghoste,.......long before i knew of others getting robbed besides myself,.....way i see it is if its true what could they do?,........besides so far,.........look at what he did and repercussions he has took,.............absolutely nothing,....dont take my advice ,...but i will do the same every chance i get,.........and i dont think he is in no position to fool with anyone in any way thank you so much for your reply and thoughts

i used to go to sevierville ,........may start goin back,.......maybe to sommerset ky,....london ky ,.....bristol tn,...........never know when/where i'll show up will ya keith?

I dont want to really get involved, but if theres anything I or the police friends I have in London, KY can do to help...let me know. You see, although Ive lived in Louisville for the last 5 years, I did however live 15 years in London, KY. I also...err, maybe 8-9 years ago, I sold a truck load of 3rd gen Charger parts to Keith right there at his home. He had replied to a "For Sale" ad that I had ran back when this site used to belong to Jessie. If I recall, he may have paid me with a check. Its the only time I met the man. I had no trouble with my transaction from him. Seemed like he had a pink e-body there and a Hemi sitting in his garage under a plastic tarp. Lotsa trees in his yard!

Ebay seller in London KY selling lots of Charger parts amongst others.

http://feedback.ebay.com/ebaymotors/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewFeedback2&userid=mgb2ky&ftab=AllFeedback

Quote from: 451-74Charger on March 05, 2010, 12:41:13 PM
Ebay seller in London KY selling lots of Charger parts amongst others.

http://feedback.ebay.com/ebaymotors/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewFeedback2&userid=mgb2ky&ftab=AllFeedback

Selling off everything he can so he doesnt get caught with the evidence.

If I were in to this guy for even $1k, I'd be making a trip to his house!

that doesn't look like our stuff. it appears to be a parts car that he has and is parting out.

Thats ok, I thought id give a heads up "in-case"

Quote from: 69charger2002 on March 06, 2010, 08:25:58 AM
that doesn't look like our stuff. it appears to be a parts car that he has and is parting out.

I bet it is someones parts.

Hi guys. Well according to this topic looks like Mr. Pope got arrested by the Sheriff's Department on March 7.
http://www.topix.com/forum/city/london-ky/TC90541DKA7562GV3
Looks like he frauded someone else from Denmark for two 440 stroker engines. I could possibly see international charges for him as well. Anyways, it's been a while since I have been to London since I am from there but, it's just crazy something like this coming out the area he is in because the area his shop operates isn't anywhere near the small city per say. Just crazy.

Quote from: Nitrox on March 04, 2010, 10:51:19 PM
I dont want to really get involved, but if theres anything I or the police friends I have in London, KY can do to help...let me know. You see, although Ive lived in Louisville for the last 5 years, I did however live 15 years in London, KY. I also...err, maybe 8-9 years ago, I sold a truck load of 3rd gen Charger parts to Keith right there at his home. He had replied to a "For Sale" ad that I had ran back when this site used to belong to Jessie. If I recall, he may have paid me with a check. Its the only time I met the man. I had no trouble with my transaction from him. Seemed like he had a pink e-body there and a Hemi sitting in his garage under a plastic tarp. Lotsa trees in his yard!

From what I heard he did have some Challengers and Cudas around his shop sometime ago.

Quote from: 70hemicuda.dk on February 24, 2010, 05:12:29 PM
copenhagen denmark. keith have 2009 good EBAY fedbag naw closed
no stolen here aniway 've sent Keith and Kathy more than $ 12,000 in the middle
2009 dawn pay  1 440 engines + 1 472 stroker i get som mails are the proceeds otherwise no nonsense 10 months and nothing.
bandit yes

Quote from: magnumminded on March 14, 2010, 08:58:09 AM
Hi guys. Well according to this topic looks like Mr. Pope got arrested by the Sheriff's Department on March 7.
http://www.topix.com/forum/city/london-ky/TC90541DKA7562GV3
Looks like he frauded someone else from Denmark for two 440 stroker engines. I could possibly see international charges for him as well. Anyways, it's been a while since I have been to London since I am from there but, it's just crazy something like this coming out the area he is in because the area his shop operates isn't anywhere near the small city per say. Just crazy.

Looks like it was 70 Hemi Cuda above.

 He'll be alot safer in Jail....  :shruggy:

Quote from: Brock Samson on March 14, 2010, 10:29:42 AM
He'll be alot safer in Jail....  :shruggy:

Yeah, he will. I know there is some very angry people with him now per the topic link I posted. Rather or not they will get their money back or not is a different story. I know the KSP had been investigating this for a while. 

i don't think he's in jail. the sheriff's department "putting him out" most likely refers to when she had him kicked out along with divorce papers a couple months back, about a week before i went to pick my hulks up. The post just happens to be on march 7th, my guess is he's still laying low somewhere.. hoping and praying..

I don't know. But, I will say this. If for some odd reason they didn't arrest him then I will say that the local law enforcement will have to answer to the folks up in Frankfort eventually or certain individuals. The only thing is if you remember the case of the census worker that was killed a while back was in Manchester which isn't too far from London. If the court system don't get him then I think someone like the killers of the census worker will. Like I said from what I saw in that post on the other forum he's got more than the law to worry about. He'll get his either way for taking advantage of those who trusted him.

remember guys if you 're a victim you need to call det. mark allen at 1-606-878-6622, he's the one doing the investagation,,,, if we dont stick together and keep calling and give our information to him this guy will get off free as a bird,, as for me i don't have that kind of money to give up like that, might not get it back but i can help put that mother away  and  keep me out of jail from when i run into him

As you think of it write down the parts that was liberated. When you write your letters write it as you would like to say it in court. Only facts not hearsay or they will not be able to use it in court. You want every fact to be heard. "It has come to my attention that I am not alone in this treatment". However this is what was done to me...every factual account will be able to be used against him. One word of hearsay and the WHOLE account can be thrown out. I wish everyone here that has lost so much one amazing case and most if not all counts made to stick! So they rot in jail.

Why isnt anyone suing this guy?

Quote from: jeryst on March 14, 2010, 08:17:00 PM
Why isnt anyone suing this guy?

You know I thought of that myself but, I guess to make a stronger case you would want some type of charges to stick first then proceed. On the other hand if Mr. Pope is going through a divorce then his wife will get everything. After that you're taking blood from a stone. Although, I do have to ask if his wife any knowledge of what was going on? 

Quote from: chargergirl on March 14, 2010, 08:16:08 PM
As you think of it write down the parts that was liberated. When you write your letters write it as you would like to say it in court. Only facts not hearsay or they will not be able to use it in court. You want every fact to be heard. "It has come to my attention that I am not alone in this treatment". However this is what was done to me...every factual account will be able to be used against him. One word of hearsay and the WHOLE account can be thrown out. I wish everyone here that has lost so much one amazing case and most if not all counts made to stick! So they rot in jail.

The only problem is you would have to prove the parts were yours from the perspective of legal things. Unless you had things marked with an id or photos it is a lost point unfournately.

Quote from: magnumminded on March 14, 2010, 08:21:24 PM

Quote from: jeryst on March 14, 2010, 08:17:00 PM
Why isnt anyone suing this guy?

You know I thought of that myself but, I guess to make a stronger case you would want some type of charges to stick first then proceed. On the other hand if Mr. Pope is going through a divorce then his wife will get everything. After that you're taking blood from a stone. Although, I do have to ask if his wife any knowledge of what was going on? 

his wife already owns the shop

we gonna have to sue both keith and kathy she owns and he was running it

Quote from: harlandodge on March 14, 2010, 08:32:20 PM

Quote from: magnumminded on March 14, 2010, 08:21:24 PM

Quote from: jeryst on March 14, 2010, 08:17:00 PM
Why isnt anyone suing this guy?

You know I thought of that myself but, I guess to make a stronger case you would want some type of charges to stick first then proceed. On the other hand if Mr. Pope is going through a divorce then his wife will get everything. After that you're taking blood from a stone. Although, I do have to ask if his wife any knowledge of what was going on? 

his wife already owns the shop

Well either way then looks like both parties are responsible.

Looks like everyone needs to include getting evidence for her as well. Anyways, I wish you all the best of luck. This sucks and is an owner's worst nightmare. Keep us updated on what happens.

yeah both parties , their workers there knew what was going on to ,, when i would call there and the girl there would say they were all loading trailers to go to a show they had to know it was parts they had taken off people cars plus the new parts people had there,,,,,mad as hell and can't wait till i run into him :RantExplode:

Quote from: harlandodge on March 14, 2010, 08:44:30 PM
yeah both parties , their workers there knew what was going on to ,, when i would call there and the girl there would say they were all loading trailers to go to a show they had to know it was parts they had taken off people cars plus the new parts people had there,,,,,mad as hell and can't wait till i run into him :RantExplode:

And the plot thickens...

I would be contacting the detective in charge but also filing with the courts.....what's ther to wait around for??? The first ones in may be the only ones getting anything at all.

Quote from: 67_Dodge_Charger on February 19, 2010, 12:04:21 AM
You might want to check this ad. 

http://montana.craigslist.org/cto/1607027825.html

It is a company/or someone from ND trying to sell parts from several cars.

Byron is a great guy!!!  He's been helping us in the mid-west with parts and information for about thirty years. 

has anyone that was screwed actually been able to file a police report? the local police wouldn't do anything for me as far as filing theft charges, and i gave my story to Det. Mark Allen as well. Does anyone know if THEFT CHARGES have been filed against Kreative Customs?

As long as nobody does anything, this guy will just keep doing it.

Contact the District Magistrate for his area and explain the situation.
He should be able to give you advice.

I once hired a guy to do some work on my roof. He asked for half up front, and the rest upon completion. That's
standard around here. Well, he kept putting me off, never showing up, giving excuses, etc. After about 3 months
of this crap, I called the District Magistrate and asked for advice. I did not mention the name of the guy. I just explained
the situation. He told me to give the guy one final call, and tell him that if he didnt show up, I would be able to file
charges against him. I called him, told him what the Magistrate said, and he was there within two days to do the repairs.

I dont know about KY, but here, you can sue anyone at the magistrates office and it costs less than $50. If the magistrate
is willing to help, tell him that you would like to have a conference call with him that would include others that this guy has ripped off, then
get your plan together. The Magistrate is there to hear cases exactly like this: Complaints from one person against another.
Kind of like a Judge Judy type of thing.

I am very willing to bet that one or more of his employees will turn on him in order to get a plea bargain, or to avoid charges
if the shit starts to hit the fan. This is theft by deception, and everyone involved will be considered accomplices. His workers
will know that if he goes to jail, they will lose their jobs anyways, so they will turn on him to keep themselves out of trouble.
You may even be able to find a former employee that he hosed, that would be willing to support your claims.

At this point, it looks like this guy has ripped off a lot of people, so you guys just need to do something about it. If the Magistrate
starts getting calls from all over the country, and even other countries, he's going to give some weight to your claims even if you
dont have any written proof.

magistrate in ky can't do anything,, police or county ATTY.  or commonwealth ATTY.  here

Anybody can sue anyone............go file.

been told he's lives now at 189 summer shade dr. in somerset ky :scratchchin:

Quote from: harlandodge on March 15, 2010, 07:25:28 PM
magistrate in ky can't do anything,, police or county ATTY.  or commonwealth ATTY.  here

US Attorney.............. :yesnod:
601 Meyers Baker Road, Second Floor
London, KY 40741 (606)864-5523 (606)864-3590
http://www.justice.gov/usao/kye/

The United States Attorney's Office is committed to enforcing the law and defending the interests of the United States according to the law; ensuring public safety against threats foreign and domestic; providing federal leadership in preventing and controlling crime; seeking just punishment for those guilty of unlawful behavior; enforcing the nations immigration laws fairly and effectively; and ensuring fair and impartial administration of justice for all Americans.

as i had found out the media may be lookin in on this

Hey, Trav-  sounds like what comes around goes around.........................

meaning....??   :shruggy:

bucko,.......gotta ask ya whats that mean?? is that a personal jab @travis or at everybody that got crooked by this lying son of a bitch????

This a personal jab at Travis, he too is a crook just like the lying little varmint that has screwed ya'll.  Bet he never thought he would hear from me again.  Surprise!!!!!!!!!!!   Back in 2006, Travis was selling parts on ebay.  I contacted him and asked him if had a good a/c dash for sale.  He said yes, and to send him the cash.  I sent him a check for a hundred and something dollars, and he sent me back a..........  get a load of this crap - a bent up, rusty, non a/c dash.  The thing was a total piece of crap.  When I contacted him about the dash he pretty much told me I was sol.  I told him I was going to take his butt to court over it, and he laughed at me.   He said to go ahead, it would cost me more than dash was worth.  Granted he was right, so I ended up tossing the dash and purchasing one from someone else.  I do know one thing Karma is a b****, if ya'll catch my drift.   Back in 2006 I was very new to the hobby, and as many of us newbies known find out, there are many people out there that will clearly try to screw your eyeballs out.  Granted two wrongs don't make a right, but after reading Travis's thread about getting a good screwing I could not help but chuckle. Sucks, eh Trav???

if it makes you feel better/sleep better at night knowing i got taken for $50k, more power to you.  i've had thousands of transactions with hundreds of people on here and ebay over the years. my reputation speaks for itself. you're welcome to type in "69charger2002" on ebay and do a search.. i've had that account since jan. 2002.  with just a handful of neutral negative feedbacks over the years.. impossible to make everyone happy 100% of the time on 40 year old parts. i honestly don't remember the details of this transaction to even attempt to defend myself. it's been 4 years, and i've sold a million things since then If you think i screwed you i apologize, that's not what myself or this hobby is about... but a crook i am not

Quote from: Cooter on February 02, 2010, 07:17:58 PM
Sorry to hear bout this type thing happening again guys, but the sad reallity is the worse this economy gets, the more and more I see this happening to good, hard workin' people....I don't build/restore cars for a living I just mess with them on the side for a few customers...I have done one '69 Charger R/T Clone front to rear for less than $2000.00....And had to paint it twice as I just knew the guy wasn't gonna like the job that was on it..I just finished a '69 RoadRunner for a friend in Wisconsin for less than $4000.00 start to finish...
Needless to say, I'm gonna have to go up on my prices cause they way I figure it, you are at least getting all the parts that came on your car back with it...
Charger (This was the days BEFORE AMD)
1. Replaced front fenders with fiberglass, removed at cust. request and installed metal fenders he bought that looked like they'd been run over, block sand and straighten said fenders.
2. R&R rear innner wheel wells, trunk ext., and trunk floor.
3. R&R rear quarters.
4. Straighten hood (Crunched in front)
5. Fill, Block sand doors as dent was right in the side scoops on BOTH doors.
6. Remove all glass and get quarter windows working (didn't work for over 14 Years)
7. Rewire and rebuild dash (Cust hooked battery up backwards)
8. Convert from console auto, to 4-speed.
9. rebuild 440 engine.
10. Install front disc brake, rebuild entire 8 3/4 rear.
11.Rebuild grille assy..
12. Install seat covers,carpet, door panels.
13. Pull trans THREE different times for cust. mistakes...(Wrong flywheel, crack in bell, trans supplied was bad)
14. PAINT rear R/T stripe on car.
15. Paint Car Twice..(Intense Blue)
All this for under $2000.00 cause he was a "Buddy"...and was worried SICK cause MY REPUTATION was on the car..I just can't see how these people are charging these HUGE prices and getting away with this kinda sh*t...I would NEVER even THINK of stealling anothers parts, let alone re-selling them!? This is just plain wrong..Go get 'em and remember that there are honest people out there that try to give you more than you think your getting....

Hey Cooter, Please give me a call if you intend to do any more work. 859-396-9684, Thanks, JYS

well if karma is such ,......in this instance anyway,.........we evidently done something horribly wrong,...yet i cannot figure out 37,000.00$ of wrong from me

A sticky post and 8 pages of complete and total slander/ liable towards this guy in London. I'd be afraid of a counter sue!!!!

Anyway, how about you guys quit rambling on and on and on and on and on and on and on...and start taking him to court or whatever it is that you guys plan to do? 

This is getting old!

:rotz:

Quote from: Nitrox on March 31, 2010, 11:04:45 PM
A sticky post and 8 pages of complete and total slander/ liable towards this guy in London. I'd be afraid of a counter sue!!!!

Anyway, how about you guys quit rambling on and on and on and on and on and on and on...and start taking him to court or whatever it is that you guys plan to do? 

This is getting old!

:rotz:

well as for me i'll keep rambling on and on and on and on and on and on and on about the low life theif as much as i want,,, i say if its getting to old for ya don't read it,,,,go to another topic

Quote from: Nitrox on March 31, 2010, 11:04:45 PM
A sticky post and 8 pages of complete and total slander/ liable towards this guy in London. I'd be afraid of a counter sue!!!!

Anyway, how about you guys quit rambling on and on and on and on and on and on and on...and start taking him to court or whatever it is that you guys plan to do? 

This is getting old!

:rotz:

Since you live in the area, have you looked lately? There's nothing left and the owners here don't have their stuff or anything they've paid for so where did it go? If Keith is concerned with libel/slander then let him deal with it. As far as I can tell you've got nothing useful to add (not the first time either).

Troy

If you need a place to clear your head, this site is perfect. It seems to me, that people are very supportive and have lots of good input on here. As for whats happining with this guy stealing all of the parts and cars, he will be dealt with. This won't happen overnight, but when it does, I know this guy will feel the rath of several angry Mopar owner's and there lawers. Johnny  :Twocents: I read this thread, over and over and over.........  :2thumbs:

Quote from: Nitrox on March 31, 2010, 11:04:45 PM
8 pages of complete and total slander

Is that a fact ?   So then you know where these cars and parts are and you know that Keith is NOT guilty.  (1 )  Would you care to share your inside info ?   :popcrn:
If you know something or where these parts are you better start talking. (2) Did you help move these parts ? ? ? (3) Are you the one that has them and not Keith ? ? ? (4) Do you know WHO has the parts ? ? ? (5)  Other than the fact that you "may" like Keith, what proof do you have ? ? ? (6) What is your cut out of this ? ? ?   

Sorry, but it sounds like your hands have been in the cookie jar to...   :scratchchin:
Why don't you post a list of parts you've gotten from Keith if you think he is so honest ? ? ?   :popcrn: :popcrn: :popcrn: :popcrn:

All you need to do is tell these guys where their parts are and then you can help your friend sue them for slander.    :2thumbs: :icon_smile_wink:

It's just that simple.    :icon_smile_wink:

well put skip preach on troy,darris,moparmoynihan,.........nitrox you sound like a thieving scum bout as bad as chicken shit keith,.........yep gotta agree you either running that mindless hole you call a mouth cause either you are using scare tactics like him cause you may be involved,.......or like i figure you just aint got enough sence to know any better,............besides if you was out a b-body mopar ,parts , time and cash i guarantee you'd be squirming and crying as bad as the rest of us,...........besides if you take time out of your day to read this thread, then belittle other people on their misfortune, and uphold a know crooked bastard that does not say whole hell of a lot about yourself,.......moderators of this site please forgive my actions but that outta nitrox was totally uncalled for,............you other guys in case im booted thanks for your support and concern,.....hopefully the good lord and our court system will see that justice is served hard and fast to this cowardly clown anyone connected with it

x

    Back on track.   :cheers:

Yeah, after reading all this maybe the guy has alzhimers and just accidently sold the stuff off 'cause he forgot he was supposed to fix up cars, I bet it was just a misunderstanding  :2thumbs:

can't you guys that have the vin number gone report your car stolen,, i mean your car is striped ,vin number is gone, who's to say that is your car, if you walk up and can't find your car and dash with the vin number on it why not report it stolen ?

looked at whats left of my car,.......well he states he dont build build bondo cars well,.he did not use the good fenders/doors i sent and its got a good healthy thick coating of body filler throughout no attempt of good repair either keith pope dont have enough sence to repair cars or too damn lazy probably both,.........i heard he has a new shop probably into gm cars do not fool with this lazy lying crook pass the word no one should have to go through this i by no means am through with this fool

sorry about everyone's loss, getting scammed and ripped off is infuriating.

    I wouldn't call this thread slander or lible from what I can gather reading it.    

 Hopefully this thread will help keep others from getting ripped off in the future, whether from that keith shit or from others

Quote from: SeattleCharger on May 30, 2010, 11:15:29 AM
sorry about everyone's loss, getting scammed and ripped off is infuriating.

    I wouldn't call this thread slander or lible from what I can gather reading it.    

 Hopefully this thread will help keep others from getting ripped off in the future, whether from that keith shit or from others

bless your heart seattle charger,........looks like you like the best year of em ,.........a 68 am i right?,............i mean they are ALL great 66-74

Personally I think everyone should go pay a visit to the man and explain their side of the story. If enough people went I'm sure he would understand the situation and make amends to everyone involved.  (http://i64.photobucket.com/albums/h177/Wolian/Emotes/karate.gif)

Quote from: Tilar on May 31, 2010, 07:14:21 PM
Personally I think everyone should go pay a visit to the man and explain their side of the story. If enough people went I'm sure he would understand the situation and make amends to everyone involved.  (http://i64.photobucket.com/albums/h177/Wolian/Emotes/karate.gif)

lmao at tilar,.............well id love to see him so would others if they knew where he is,....besides if he had a damn drop of gumption to him he'd be talking to us,......make amemds???? lol what kinda naive world you livin in???

Don't take anything for face value. Maybe you should re-read what I was wrote and then take note of the little emote that follows it.


In other words, Take his ass out back of the barn and explain to him by hand how things are.  Do you understand now?

or this emote      :sarcasmalert:

   :lol:

 after your post tilar, I was imagining that this guy buys lotto tickets ever week, and how he hopes he will win so he can pay back everyone he screwed over


              ya, when   :pigsfly:


      Your idea is better, and A LOT more likely of happening,    (though for the record I am not condoning this)  :icon_smile_wink:    :angel:

         look at this interesting symbol below, though I have no idea what it means   :whistling:

WARNING! Long Winded Post!   :lol:

Interesting thread with a few similarities of what had happened to me in the late 1980's at a restoration shop. I know there are variations in the laws from state to state, but I do believe that this guy, & possibly his wife, can be sued, arrested, & charged, both corporately & personally. I also agree with what Skip said, you have to plan things out in advance, be patient, & don't make waves & attract lots of attention.

Contacting the media & such is a Hollywood thing, you may as well be a guest on Jerry Springer if you go that route. Yeah sure, it's a great service to the hobby to want to help others & alert them so they too, aren't a victim, but you don't want to alert the person who screwed you that you are actually doing something about it. It gives them a much greater chance at getting rid of any evidence & burying paper trails that will incriminate them in court.

When I was ripped off by a shop, it was for shoddy workmanship, work that was promised & never completed, missing parts, & also for construction work I did in the building & was never paid for. I was lucky enough to have a very good, & very thorough lawyer who took my case on contingency. That means he doesn't get paid unless money is collected from the person who screwed you. If I had collected any money, his portion was 1/3 of whatever I got. It may be difficult to find someone to take the case this way, but it is possible.

The only fees I had to pay out of pocket were filing fees in court & a few other expenses, like property searches, DMV searches to see what is in their name, & judgment searches to see if there were cases brought against him prior to mine. The reason for the judgment search is to help build your case & to see where you stand in line to collect money. In my case, there were $250,000 worth of judgments against the shop already. For him to stay in business & have that many suits against him meant he was judgment proof.

He lived in a luxury high-rise, co-op apartment, overlooking the Hudson River & drove several classic cars, including a 1957 Eldorado Biarritz. (Google that one to see how rare it is.) The co-op was in his wife's name, & the DMV searches showed he didn't have one single vehicle in his name. If I recall, he sold cars on consignment, so he may have driven the ones he was trying to peddle & had just claimed they were his.

There are other things you can do to help, like keeping very good records of all contact. Contracts, conversations in person, by phone, & by email. Receipts of everything you ever bought for the car that is stripped along with photos. When the court date comes, be prepared for the accused to be a "no-show" that day. The guy I sued, William (Bill) Losse of Fort Lee, NJ, proprietor of Past & Present Automotive in Closter, NJ, didn't show.

The Judge listened to my story, looked at receipts, photos, & the papers my lawyer had, & awarded me the judgment against the shop, as well as against William Losse personally. The reason my lawyer said I can sue him personally, was because he represented his shop to be able to perform certain tasks that were not possible. The judgment against him personally was a civil case & will not expire. If any assets turn up at a later date you can put a lien on them to collect what is owed to you.

It's been over 20 years in my case, & I had moved out of state, bought a house, & pretty much gave up on trying to collect. Out of pocket I lost about $4500 for work on the car & building materials in his shop & will have to redo whatever was done to the car. Who knows what it will cost in today's prices to correct his shit work on my Satellite convertible? The total judgment was just over $13,000 & I never saw a penny. I could have pursued it further & had him subpoenaed to prove he has no assets. My lawyer said he wouldn't show up for that either, but then a warrant would be issued for his arrest. If I was still living in NJ at the time & had the money to file & do all that, I would have, just to be there when he was arrested & enjoy seeing the look on his face while he was cuffed.

The whole process is slow going, but if you play by the rules & don't get caught up in emotions, it more than likely will play out in your favor. You also have to make sure you spell people's names correctly, file suit against the correct company name, & also make sure you know who's name the company is in. Sometimes a company will vary in name by the title having "Inc." or "LLC" or whatever, after the name. Doesn't seem like much, but in court it does. Spelling something wrong, or choosing the wrong company name, & the process starts all over wasting more & more time & money in legal fees.

Good luck.  :cheers:

So basically, you spent $4500 to collect $13000 that you never saw a penny of. That's encouraging. No wonder the scum do what they do. They dont get punished.

Quote from: jeryst on June 02, 2010, 06:35:37 PM
So basically, you spent $4500 to collect $13000 that you never saw a penny of. That's encouraging. No wonder the scum do what they do. They dont get punished.

In one respect that's what I did, but don't forget that I also got the chance to have my ragtop screwed up & still needing 2 quarters to be redone again as well as a few other issues. I also got to do some construction work in the shop that was probably torn down before it was ever used by the new tenant.    :lol:

My real point though, was that not everyone will be judgment proof like the guy I sued. In my case the fire department shut him down for various violations he never corrected. It was probably the last straw that got him to walk away from a failing business. I had found out later on from a person that had worked for him, that he purchased a reputable restoration shop but didn't know how to run it & screwed over a lot of people in the process.

Yes, people can keep reopening businesses with new names & screw more unsuspecting people, it's inevitable. Every once in a while someone will get caught, & the system will work if you're patient. On a smaller scale, I had won 2 other cases & collected on both. One was $700 for a transmission from a person I bought a car from who was supposed to have replaced a set of transmission lines, but only sectioned in a small piece causing the crushed section to burn up the trans. The other was some a-hole who sold me my garage doors & shorted me on $200 worth of hardware I had receipts for & ignored me for months.

I have a great winning record in court over almost 30 years, I'm 3 for 3. Too bad I only collected small pennies twice.  :smilielol:

I have a very similar story, my money was taken, no work was done, went through court (for which he never showed also), won, etc etc but in the end got nothing other than the judgement that would show up against him on any credit/load/application-related dealing he would ever do.  The problem there is, since these guys tend to be more clever than we think, they put all assets in other peoples' name, do cash-only transactions, and even bank under someone else's account, so they don't care.  Since I could never find where he banked (or even lived since he used PO Boxes), there was nothing to win.  Just justice and piece of mind.  Sadly, as with subcontrators, they basically have you by the balls if the want to, and it's damn near impossible to win unless you have everything in writing, photos and a good paper trail to prove a criminal act (like fraud, theft, injury, etc).  A class action would seem to be the best course, because the stakes get bigger, and makes the payoff better for the lawyer(s).  Then they are more likely to go the extra mile to get something.  The key is they have to have assets and/or income to win anything, though.  My summary is, be ready to spend money for the justice, but not likely to see any of your money returned.  Good luck!

If I got scamed I'd be sad  :rotz:

hmmmmmm,.......a business i never heard of before,......in the london/somerset area www.reactiontimedragracingcomponents.com,......dont know why i put it here lol ,.......hey y'all check it out,...........wonder who owns it?

did ANYONE go after these guys? does anyone know what the current status is on the whole ordeal?

travis you contacted me once i tried and tried to reach you i would keep you updated on this if you could be reach,.......all these other guys wander what happened with you and troy

give me a shout i'd love to hear from you. do you still have my number? pm if not.

Looks like the site got taken down...

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travis im not really sure how to im you on here,.........yes i heard that site been taken down,......knowing him hes probably doing someone else wrong

I feel sorry for anyone that gets screwed on a restoration project i cannot stress to potential customers of my friends resto shop to make shure you check out current and past projects,get references phone numbers and actually call the customers that have had cars done there if the shop is reputable they will provide you with many names and phone numbers ask questions like how much an hour do you charge does that include materials and labor whats the specifics ask how its billed different shops have different billing cycles and practices my friends shop also sends you current photos of work performed with the bill and you are more than welcome to show up at any time to check on your car the main thing is how much do you percieve that i will spend restoring my car and how long will it take from start to finish my friends are the best in the country they have won 5 oe gold awards at the mopar nationals in the last 5 years they charge 65.00 an hour plus parts and materials and the average restoration is to expensive for most of us.thats where the problem is most of us do not have 100,000.00 laying around to get our cars done so we find alternatives like the afformentioned shop thats why i say references references references  family problems or not business is business and what this shop did is wrong and if you prove that he actually sold your parts he need to be punished to the full extent of my baseball bat i mean law not really

FYI  best mopar restoration shop in the country Paul Jacobs Troy Angelly restorations in southern Indiana and Illinois

Hi, charger punk just posted an ad from ebay for a 73 charger /6 car in the cars for sale section. Strange thing is, its from london, KY .... :scratchchin:

So this is the thread that Troy was tellin' me about. man, what a shame!

At least Troy (Troy_Utah) is finally getting his baby back in shape. the car is almost ready to be fired up. I just barely finished re-building the Carter AVS that will adorn his newly re-built 440. he told me about the trials & misfortunes that he encountered with this Kentucky clown (no offense Kentuckians). I can't believe this guy hasn't been locked up. what ever happened to GRAND LARCENY????  last I heard it was "illegal" to screw people over like that!  :flame:

Quote from: 71bee on August 30, 2010, 01:19:52 PM
So this is the thread that Troy was tellin' me about. man, what a shame  last I heard it was "illegal" to screw people over like that!  :flame:

evidently not in laurel county kentucky

Well, if its not illegal to screw people over, then it may not be illegal to screw people up.

I have one simple solution base on what someone else here mentioned. Why dont all of you just report your cars stolen? Then you can tell the police, insurance companies, whoever, that the last place it was seen, was at this clowns place of business. Your cars HAVE been stolen, y'know.

because in kentucky according to an official from ksp it is not illegal to remove vin# to do auto repairs,....... :brickwall:

Yes, but the point is, their cars can no longer be identified, and they cant seem to get them back, and they dont know where they are.
So to me, that qualifies as being stolen

Quote from: jeryst on September 01, 2010, 09:49:48 PM
Yes, but the point is, their cars can no longer be identified, and they cant seem to get them back, and they dont know where they are.
So to me, that qualifies as being stolen

,..............i know your point and thats the way i view it,.....because i own one of the cars there

Quote from: jeryst on September 01, 2010, 09:49:48 PM
Yes, but the point is, their cars can no longer be identified, and they cant seem to get them back, and they dont know where they are.
So to me, that qualifies as being stolen

and that is what i was told on phone by them

dont know if it true or not but a couple of guys at the swap meet in bristol tn. this past weekend claims that keith pope is setting up at shows and drag tracks as a jegs dealer, even tells me that he even has jegs on the side of his truck, anyone else heard this,,,,,

i heard such ,plenty of angry people there,.....heard same exact thing ,seems every month 2 months new victims pop up , its pitiful this has gone on long as it has

you all know who you are that was involved in the wrong,.....you might got away with this for now,.....from what i heard this will follow each and everyone you for a long time,......wont be forgotten either,........lots of angry people has named several of you off on an individual basis,.......it's bad when your name is synonomous with being con artists ,crooks,liars cheats and unethically decent people, but you sewed this garden hopefully in sept maybe you all will get to eat your own medicine from this garden.

Well, add me to the list.......over 60,000.00 paid out. :brickwall:  Lies after lies, should have listened to my gut the day i dropped a perfectly good car off.  Seen all those cars in the shop and wanted to think it was a legitimate resto shop. Found out it was one helluva chop shop!!!!!!! Kieth has been lucky, I haven't ran into him yet, but I will. I know its not the thing to do, but ask yourself what would you do if someone takes over 60,000.00 of your money, destroys a good running car that you dropped off, and puts you through this hell that just continues on.  :flame: I do not know of any other means of justification. I know several victims have been communicating, but I think we all really need to access the situation and get together. My lawyer has not officially filed suit, I am still hoping for a completed car and it is moving.......s l o w l y.  I have been contacted by a few victims of this mess, if any of you are willing, I will pay my lawyer to represent us all.  I have been out a lot of money but fortunately I can spend twice as much to put this mother f er away. :yesnod: It just isn't right that he get away with it.   :fireangry:

 which car is yours ? ,,,victims just seem to keep coming forward and yet the commonwealth of kentucky has not done anything yet, i would love to get this guy in court, and i would love very much to run into him face to face , people claims he goes to drag tracks in london ky , bristol tn, swap meets now that he pretends to be a jegs dealer but i ve been looking and have not seen him yet,, maybe he will be at the grand rod run in pigeon forge tn. this weekend or clay city in october,,wouldnt that be wonderful :scratchchin:

with this many victims,the communication getting heavier i presume,you're bound to slip up ,.i know you or your cronies are reading this :icon_smile_angry:

hmmmm places i know from what i been told of that he's crooked or attempted to screw someone,....ky,va,oh,wv,tenn ,al,ut,la,...internationally in denmark,..........hmmmm wouldnt ya figure dollar amount involved be enough to bring in feds on this?..........serial#s,.....parts that long gone,.......breach of contract possibly,................why it seem that nothing can be done legally?

tried shedding light to a popular mopar magazine, acted if they wasnt interested,.....well when i informed them i and 3 others would no longer subscribed they seemed really concerned then,claimed that they loved helping on these kind of stories,........well mcg cant prove it by me

       Anybody got a picture of Keith Pope they can post? Or send it to me an I'll post it. Get this guy's face out there and we can all be looking for him at car shows.

I just cant believe that a person can do things like this to other people in KY, and no law enforcement agency
will do anything to arrest this guy or do anything to help out any of the victims.

This is grand larceny, fraud, theft by deception, and a whole bunch of other things.

I think the KY in Kentucky stands for KY Jelly cause you guys are getting screwed!

i really put forth the effort ,.........im not sure what next move will be

hopefully before long they be a mugshot of long term inmates who done this that anyone can see

the guy with the detective's office was supposed to be bringing this to trial earlier this week criminally. does anyone know what became of it?

well i guess all the promises that kathy has made about buying my stuff back is just bullsh-t   :blahblah: been told since january when all this came out that my stuff would be bought back its almost october so WHERES MY STUFF ,i even called her and told her about the parts on here for sale and other places i found them, after being fed a line of sh-t  still no parts, she still has my money i paid in their bank account just like a lot of you guys  but still no parts, how many of you guys that still has cars there has gotten their car fixed ? i mean its been since january dont you think if they are going to fix them at least one of them would have been ready to roll by now, i dont think anyones car is going to be finished the way they paid for it to be nor will anyone get their money from her without suing like im going to , which time is close to running out so gonna have to get it done because still NO PARTS,, and as for that low life pus-y keith i will get something back EVERY TIME  i run into you, and if this sounds like slander take my ass to court :fu:

Your just killing time.....like they want everyone to do!!!

Yes, if you let 2 years go by, the statute of limitations will expire and they will be in the clear.

well fellers its almost oct humidity has went down and cooled off somewhat,.....but i bet there 3-4 people feels like its getting warmer after last week  :lol:,......say you're beginning to feel the heat aint ya?(you know who you are) ,.......i'll break my ribs laughing if theres 3-4 of you that gets their lives ruined ,and put thorugh torment like you done us, again you know who you are  and i know your reading this,......hey harlandodge call me when you get a chance or i will you tonite but i reckon our boy was spotted @ pigeon forge,tn. last week with some other guy,....but yep its one sorry ass excuse right after another, wish some people could master doin the right thing and building cars as good as lying and comin up with bullshit excuses . hey the70r/t my good friend harlandodge and myself has really done everything within our powers to get it goin in our direction unless your there and not an outsider its easy to think we aint really trying i do understand a spectators point of view{• Keith Pope, 51, c/o Kreative Customs, 177 Collins Lane, London, seven counts of theft by failure to make required disposition of $300 or more. Pope allegedly took money and car parts from six different people over a period of nearly four years.}.......i found this on the sentinel-echo website copied and pasted it here wasn't sure if i can do this but its there for the reading.

Quote from: bullitt68dodgecharger on September 26, 2010, 02:52:46 PM
well fellers its almost oct humidity has went down and cooled off somewhat,.....but i bet there 3-4 people feels like its getting warmer after last week  :lol:,......say you're beginning to feel the heat aint ya?(you know who you are) ,.......i'll break my ribs laughing if theres 3-4 of you that gets their lives ruined ,and put thorugh torment like you done us, again you know who you are  and i know your reading this,......hey harlandodge call me when you get a chance or i will you tonite but i reckon our boy was spotted @ pigeon forge,tn. last week with some other guy,....but yep its one sorry ass excuse right after another, wish some people could master doin the right thing and building cars as good as lying and comin up with bullshit excuses . hey the70r/t my good friend harlandodge and myself has really done everything within our powers to get it goin in our direction unless your there and not an outsider its easy to think we aint really trying i do understand a spectators point of view{• Keith Pope, 51, c/o Kreative Customs, 177 Collins Lane, London, seven counts of theft by failure to make required disposition of $300 or more. Pope allegedly took money and car parts from six different people over a period of nearly four years.}.......i found this on the sentinel-echo website copied and pasted it here wasn't sure if i can do this but its there for the reading.

:popcrn: ......... :shruggy:

 last i heard was - goes to court again nov. 22 , 7 counts of theft by failure to make required disp. of prop. 10000.00 ,,,laurel county ky . circuit court , room c ,9am

i also found this,....• Keith Pope, 41, of London, seven counts of theft by failure to make required disposition of the value of $300 or more by converting money and car parts to his own use and benefit.

times-tribute newspaper

Quote from: bullitt68dodgecharger on November 08, 2010, 08:25:44 PM
i also found this,....• Keith Pope, 41, of London, seven counts of theft by failure to make required disposition of the value of $300 or more by converting money and car parts to his own use and benefit.

times-tribute newspaper

Should have been 7 counts of grand theft auto or some type of premeditated deception.

Quote from: bullitt68dodgecharger on November 08, 2010, 08:25:44 PM
i also found this,....• Keith Pope, 41, of London, seven counts of theft by failure to make required disposition of the value of $300 or more by converting money and car parts to his own use and benefit.

times-tribute newspaper

that fool is way older than 41

the 70 r/t i agree ,......yet should be more charges than that,.......travis,...yeah you are right think it was a typo i just copied and pasted

i honestly believe there is more tied up in this than just keith,.........

trial postponed to march 10 2011 ,keith acted as if he had a limp in court lmfao :smilielol: :hah: get this ,.....cant even get a straight answer as if they even got my v.i.n. # or not,.......what a frigging joke

also was contested on claim that there was more than 259 68 chargers with the 383/4speed combo,.......which mine was with matching#,........."some people" claimed there "was thousands of those built"

why would a trail be postponed becaue of a limp? if he ever gets down my way he will leave with much more than a limp....

i never said it postponed due to that :shruggy:

i re-read it and still dont know how you misunderstood it,..........but anyways if any of you involved or reading this,subscribe to mopar collector guide i advise dont fool with em i ask for help from them and another friend involved has as well they dont seem interested to say the least i call back in spring and today as well i'll keep trying get this all the attention it so rightly deserves

If I were to ever see someone key my car, I'd baseball bat the shit out of them. The shits gonna hit the fan, and they got it comming. I'm supprised their place hasn't been torched yet. I have a feeling him and his screwy wife are in for one hell of a moment of clarity.  :popcrn:

Why doesnt someone contact the Media Circus? (IE, local TV...)
In Cincinnati we have the I-Team, (WCPO) that investigates this sort of thing for the local ABC affiliate. and they have a load of stations nationwide that all work together on scams an fraud issues.

Because that town is about the size of Main Strasse (< 6000 residents). I doubt they even have a local TV station or newspaper. Lexington is ~75 miles away and I doubt the media there would bother.

Troy

i tried wymt 57 news,..........no reply,...........yet

oh yeah and if anyones wondering bout keiths current ride 2007-2010 extended cab gmc im 95% certain it was 4x4 white in color florida gators nhra decals in lower corners of rear glass kentucky license plate057-KPD Laurel county and a cruisin the coast decal on front windsheild  :RantExplode:,...........try to help these guys keep up with you keith,.........also heard he may be into mustang parts now,......but its clear that he still participates in the automobile hobby,..........let me re-phrase that still remains a crook in that area so pass the word guys

Have you guys been watching this Topix thread??
http://www.topix.com/forum/city/london-ky/TC90541DKA7562GV3/p5


Brad

kathy seems to get mad bout the attention this gets and what people say but hey as they said "the TRUTH hurts"

Troy,

Is there any chance this is your car, its not far from lexington, and lexington is about an hour away from london.  69's dont show up a whole lot in lexington unless they are selling for big bucks.  This is Blue and it dont have a title.  I could be jumping to conclusions but thought I would pass it along. I know how KY can be about classic cars so I think I am just looking at this within the realm of possibility.

http://lexington.craigslist.org/cto/2300482344.html

Cheers,
Hud

the add reads

69 charger needs restored would make great general lee has 440 engine auto trans posi rear end i have had the engine started about 8 months ago the frame is good it needs lower quarters front and rear valance pans trunk floor i cant realy tell about the floor pans cause it has carpet in it all the inteier is in it no title have paper work to get one it needs grille rt fender lower control arm and radiator 6500.00 firm ive seen a lot of chargers on ebay not near as good of shape sell for a lot more money call 1 606 473 0212 ...........( this is a high dollar car.)

Im attaching the add and pictures in case the car sells or get taken off craigslist so if it is yours at least you have somewhat of a lead.

This Thread Just died what happened to this keith pope scumbag is he in prison for federal vin tampering or did he vanish ?

He has nine or so counts of theft by deception,next pre trial conference is next month,it has been dragging on and on. Maybe the judge will finally set a trial date next month.  Hope he gets fried. :icon_smile_angry:

I hope you all get back the parts/cars that are rightfully yours, what a real lowlife to do this  :RantExplode: :flame:
Keep us updated how you go

Quote from: 69charger2002 on February 01, 2010, 02:48:54 PM
this whole deal is going to get really ugly for a lot of people. i can't go into details right now but i had 2 R/T's there and i picked them up a week ago and they were shells, so far i'm looking at about $35000 lost not counting that only 1 shell is even buildable.  i won't rest until i get my money back or someone is in prison. 

Wow that green 68 looks alot like mine.

Wow! This shit is crazy..
I sure hope that this works out for you guys.
May the guilty parties get all  they deserve..

holy crap batman or should i say ALMIGHTY KING OF CHARGERS MAN , i have never seen so many 68-70 chargers in one place at one time in such good faith in all my years . you are my idol and id be lying if i said i wasnt a jealous son of a b****!!!!! any how i wish you luck finding out who the sorry ass was that would take instead of finding his own damn dodge to put together.

that is one beautiful 4th gen. nice job :2thumbs:

thank you , it hasnt been easy . these parts are virtually non -existant and at the bottom of the reproduction ocean.

Quote from: nvrbdn on October 07, 2011, 08:18:50 PM
that is one beautiful 4th gen. nice job :2thumbs:

What he said...WOW! I'm not used to 2nd glancing those 4th gen Chargers, but man, you gotta smokin' hot car there!  :drool5:

Here is an article from September 23rd 2011 from Laurel County Ky.
Read towards the middle of the page.

http://www.sentinel-echo.com/local/x1941089796/Woman-who-threatened-officer-indicted

It talks of Seven counts of Theft by Keith Pope.

I am in search of a General Lee

HANG THAT THIEF  :icon_smile_angry: :flame: :RantExplode: :popcrn:

I read a few pages of this topic about this guy in london ky. a couple of years a go i went to this place to get some replacement window regulators, never got them. hope you find your stuff

I bet this a**hole is lurking on here like a coward and watching us talk about him.  :flame: hope he dies in a car wreck driving a plymouth Reliant :2thumbs:

Hey Troy. I was looking for parts on Craigslist.com and came across this posting and thought about you. I know it is some distance from you but there was quite a few parts.

http://fingerlakes.craigslist.org/pts/2743204506.html

This guy has quite a few parts to choose from. A shame about your car. I wish you all the luck finding parts.

he has a court date on jan 12  2012. i hope they hang him :cheers:

Too bad everybody that has been screwed over by him couldn't be at the courthouse all at the same time that day.

Quote from: Tilar on January 07, 2012, 11:48:13 AM
Too bad everybody that has been screwed over by him couldn't be at the courthouse all at the same time that day.

everyone should have hooked up and sdid a class action suit

what local paper would it be to watch headlines on the internet?

whats the latest on the k pope court date? :RantExplode:

probably went in and asked for an extention.

Watch out on that fingerlakes craigslist......  I believe that's DIXIE LEE..... That's the member that was screwing people here.   Bad news.   The last thing you need is to get taken again. 

Chuck..............

Time to take them out back for a good old American ass kicking!!!

If that guy "Keith Pope" was in NY, well guys, he would be permantely walking on his knee's and eating through a straw!!!!   Sorry but F*ck him. :flame:

Someone asked about the local new paper, one of the papers in London is the Sentinel Echo... if that helps.

anyone have an update on this scumbag?   :icon_smile_blackeye:

Quote from: 69charger2002 on September 16, 2010, 08:44:51 PM
the guy with the detective's office was supposed to be bringing this to trial earlier this week criminally. does anyone know what became of it?

This post was the 16th & this was in the local paper on the 23rd.   :shruggy:





" Keith Pope, 51, c/o Kreative Customs, 177 Collins Lane, London, seven counts of theft by failure to make required disposition of $300 or more. Pope allegedly took money and car parts from six different people over a period of nearly four years."

quote from:  http://www.sentinel-echo.com/local/x1941089796/Woman-who-threatened-officer-indicted

He's probably back at it by now  :-\

What ever happened?

supposed to find out Friday. Got a call last week from the lawyer's office and the "negotiations". are this Friday. I can't make it to Kentucky, i doubt whatever becomes of it wouldn't be enough to pay my trip to Kentucky anyway.. If i drove all the way up there and saw him in person, I'd probably end up in prison myself for beating his ass.  :brickwall:

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Quote from: 69charger2002 on October 15, 2012, 01:30:38 PM
supposed to find out Friday. Got a call last week from the lawyer's office and the "negotiations". are this Friday. I can't make it to Kentucky, i doubt whatever becomes of it wouldn't be enough to pay my trip to Kentucky anyway.. If i drove all the way up there and saw him in person, I'd probably end up in prison myself for beating his ass.  :brickwall:

With the magnitude of this, I'd be scared of making threats.   One of the many people he's shafted is liable to silently settle the score one night.   :shruggy:

Regardless, if someone ever did get in trouble for old school justice, with the system we have that person would end up in more trouble & tried way quicker I bet.   :eyes:

Thats normally the way any more, criminals have rights and victims have support groups.

Quote from: Ghoste on October 22, 2012, 05:37:11 AM
Thats normally the way any more, criminals have rights and victims have support groups.

And the lawyers win either way

any news?

This guy reminds me of "alisher" on ebay AKA the Ebay Grinch who stole Christmas several years ago.  Alisher ripped off over $100,000 from unsuspecting buyers before fleeing the country.  To this day he has NOT been apprehended.  A LOT of children were sad that Christmas morning because their parents had no more more money for ipods.  But there are warrants galore waiting for him when he is finally found from victims who banded together against him.

Whatever became of all this?

found this.
http://www.sentinel-echo.com/crime/x18080045/Business-owner-settles-criminal-charges

Quote from: gibb5y on August 07, 2013, 04:23:43 PM
found this.
http://www.sentinel-echo.com/crime/x18080045/Business-owner-settles-criminal-charges

Yep everyone got pennies on the dollar in return for a weak guilty plea.

That blows, he should get time for what he did.

That is just criminal court. I would still sue him in civil court and I would follow him from employer to employer with garnishment until I was paid back. I hope that guy gets a bad case of hemorrhoids.

Quote from: 69charger2002 on August 07, 2013, 06:01:40 PM

Quote from: gibb5y on August 07, 2013, 04:23:43 PM
found this.
http://www.sentinel-echo.com/crime/x18080045/Business-owner-settles-criminal-charges

Yep everyone got pennies on the dollar in return for a weak guilty plea.

I know that feel.  Out of high-school, someone took me for about 10K, and got my first car stolen.  After everything in court, I got two cheques.  The first being 7.31$ the second being 5.28$, that's it...  A fraction of a percent.  In situations like this, the justice system just doesn't work.  Unfortunately something more barbaric is in order, it's just never worth it to stoop to that level.

That being said, should I ever run into him in the dark of night with no one around, all bets are off...

All the best to those who got shafted.  Unfortunate when those "Stand up people" turn out to be scum...

A call on craigslist Las Vegas area:

http://lasvegas.craigslist.org/wan/4097890718.html

that is the same place as a pick in chargers in the wild of the orange 3rd gen with the pickup behind it. didnt see the 2nd gen in those pic's.

Quote from: kokxville on October 06, 2013, 04:09:37 AM
A call on craigslist Las Vegas area:

http://lasvegas.craigslist.org/wan/4097890718.html

. hmmm

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HE'S AT IT AGAIN BUT NOW IN LOUISIANA!!  I've read all this a little too late. But I'm on DAT ASS - as we say down here. I hear me putting the screws to him is making him cry on his porch & his new wife is puking in the yard!!  And I've just started!! 

I must say others are helping ALOT but I'm getting all the credit/blame. He just doesn't know how many people dislike him. 

The IRS is involved as of today from what I hear.  I'll update this if anyone wants. I hope someone sees this.