As many of you may have noticed last December, XX29L9B381541 (more popularly known as the roll over car) was won on Ebay and shipped to Australia. Arriving within the last month progress has started, the car will be restored to as close as original condition as possible with few exceptions which relate to practicality. Many questions will be asked and your opinions and expertise would be greatly appreciated as we know of no other Daytona's in Australia! Here are some photos taken today, notice our pet kangaroo sussing out the old car. On the parcel shelf I noticed something scratched into it which reads, "BFD" (photo included*) any ideas on what this is about, maybe from the production line or creative industries? Any advice on the removal/re-installation of the plug would be appreciated. The car is in quite good shape considering we hear it was rolled..... Please don't hesitate to leave comments, and if anyone knows anymore about the car that wasn't posted around the time it was on Ebay, including previous owners it would be greatly appreciated.
Cheers, Tim.
Cool! Awesome kangaroo :2thumbs:. Do you guys plan on converting it to right hand drive?
Welcome to the site and are there any side view photos of the car? I myself never heard of the car, but the guys who know of the car will be commenting soon.
Good luck w/the restoration. :2thumbs:
Mark
Hello & Welcome :cheers: :wave: ... love to see more pictures as you progress :2thumbs:
The car will remain left hand drive to convert it would be to wreck it in our eyes, we have a 70' Challenger R/T and 68' Charger (work in progress) which are both left hand drive. As of May??? 1998, you can register a vehicle left hand drive providing it's more than 30 years old with out to much fuss generally.
I tried uploading more pictures but it seems to be playing up at the moment...
Cheers, Tim.
Not exactly sure what the "BFD" would stand for, other than maybe someone writing a message to another person somewhere along the assembly line.
You are correct though I don't think that there is another Daytona in Australia anymore, but there used to be one, that is back in Michigan now. Which actually was converted to right hand drive. There is a Daytona over in New Zealand though, or at least I think that it is still there, haven't heard of the owner of that car moving back to the US yet.
If you are wondering on a procedure to remove the plug, there are some pretty good photo's of the plug removal on the thread about XS29J9Bullit's Charger 500. The car you purchased appears to be the same Daytona that was for sale at Carlisle last year, and then a little while later was offered up on ebay. I believe that it was previously owned by Dave Patik, of Performance Car Graphics. I think it was one of the multiple project Daytona's that he sold in the late 80's, early 90's.
Welcome to the site though, you have the one car that I so desperately want, a Daytona.
Around this part of the world, BFD only has one meaning.... Which loosely translates to a sarcastic remark of "not impressed".
I'm guessing that it's the opinion of one of the assembly line workers. :icon_smile_big:
Howdy from Texas :wave: Welcome to the forum Tim!
Here are two pictures that might be your car a long time ago...
Allen
Here are some pictures from when it was for sale at different times...
Allen
More pictures...
A few more...
As far as removing the plug, it is fairly straight forward... The leadwork has to be melted out & spotwelds cut around the plug and at the drip trough splices.
Here is a link to my C500 thread for some pictures:
http://www.dodgecharger.com/forum/index.php/topic,33799.360.html
The plug is removed at about reply #365
Let me know if you have questions, I will try to answer them...
Allen
I was thinking it was the same car. Wasn't it previously owned by Dave Patik too? Where is Dave B, he would know if it was Dave's old car or not.
Congrad's on the Daytona...... Look forward to updates...............
Troy
welcome to the site,.. :wave:
nice stable and mascot you got there! :yesnod:
You got some work cut out for you there but a spring green Daytona is an awsome combo!
good luck and please post more pics of your other rods and progress if you please! :yesnod:
As far as my understanding goes the car was bought new in Hatfield, PA by Arthur Morris who then sold the car onto Ernie Pyle and then Dave Patik. The car was bought off Dave Patik in 1994 by Tom Puglia with the assistance of Galen Govier and then onto us. I will try and post more pictures tomorrow but at the moment the site keeps giving me an error.
try renaming the files to something with a lot of numbers/letters.
Ernie P had that daytona also
http://www.dodgecharger.com/forum/index.php/topic,31444.0.html The ad for this daytona was run in the MCG .Back sometime Galen was contact info.The cars were Dave Patiks rescued.So the former U.S upside down daytona .Is now down under in Austrailia
Here are some photos of our car and Dave Patiks barn these were taken in 1994 I believe.... Can anyone tell me how to reach Ernie Pyle, Aurthur Morris or Dave patik??
Some more photos...
Boy! you've got your work cut out for you, looks like a major "rebody" is needed! judging by those photos!
Not a chance in hell of the car being re-bodied, it just wouldn't be a Daytona anymore in our eyes! We have a very good body guy lined up to do the work on it and even though the car looks quite beaten from a glance, it's very solid. The roof is quite fixable and the we're even debating keeping the original quarters. Minimum bondo we're talking a 1/16 of an inch not a 1/2 an inch. More photos now, the three 34's, black roadster has a 427 SOHC motor in it Aussie body, blue three window coupe has a flathead with Ardun heads American body, the yellow Tudor has a 351 with EFI, the black 68' Charger has a 496 KB with Indy heads and twin turbos (not on yet as you can see from the photos) all cars are 100% steel..
Quote from: Tim L on May 17, 2008, 08:03:42 PM
Here are some photos of our car and Dave Patiks barn these were taken in 1994 I believe.... Can anyone tell me how to reach Ernie Pyle, Aurthur Morris or Dave patik??
Dave owns Performance Car Graphics:
http://www.performancecargraphics.com/
http://wwnboa.org/icr.htm
Great pictures! Thanks for posting them...
Allen
Hey
I myself wouldnt get a daytona as it looks more racey than muscley but, I do love to see them and have great deal of respect for them to.
Would be good to see a superbird!
Well... Congrats on the car! :2thumbs:
Quote from: Tim L on May 17, 2008, 08:14:58 PM
Some more photos...
Dang... How many Daytonas are in that pic !!?? Looks like 3 '69 Chargers.......... red one and 2 F6's......????
(http://www.dodgecharger.com/forum/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=44092.0;id=72034;image)
hi
great rods . is that a fuel tank salt flat racer in the back left of the yellow rod?
[quote The roof is quite fixable and the we're even debating keeping the original quarters. Minimum bondo we're talking a 1/16 of an inch not a 1/2 an inch..
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Cheers to you, if you think you can save whats left of the original sheetmetal, I've seen that car being dragged all around the east coast, and midwest over the years, always for sale, no takers, remember seeing it at the Nationals for around $38K a few years ago, nothing wrong with reboding, or reskinning it though, it's a big project you have there, good luck!
Quote from: Zinc on May 18, 2008, 07:31:51 PM
[quote The roof is quite fixable and the we're even debating keeping the original quarters. Minimum bondo we're talking a 1/16 of an inch not a 1/2 an inch..
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Cheers to you, if you think you can save whats left of the original sheetmetal, I've seen that car being dragged all around the east coast, and midwest over the years, always for sale, no takers, remember seeing it at the Nationals for around $38K a few years ago, nothing wrong with reboding, or reskinning it though, it's a big project you have there, good luck!
UMMM!!! Did I just read what I think I did? There is nothing wrong with re-bodying? AAAAA!!! HELL YES THERE IS!!!! Aside from it being illeagle (fraud). Its just plane wrong. Its turning something into something its not. Its a lie. I could go on. I would never re-body a car and if I found out I had just bought a car that was. I would be in court!
I would have to agree, to rebody a car is NOT RIGHT in any sense of the wording. Its fraudulent for one, and for another thing even if it wasn't against the law to me it would still be morally wrong.
plus that sheet metal on that car is rust free just dented, since he has a great body guy already. It's great he is saving all the original metal he can. I aplaude him , so many people take the easy way out and cut and paste
Are you asking about Earnie Pyle from Texas? Wifes name is Pauline ? If so he owned our Daytona and he passed away in 98 or 99.
We were going to Iowa to look at this car but didnt want to get into a bidding war with somebody that was going to be there at the same time.Brent
Quote from: 69_500 on May 18, 2008, 07:54:27 PM
I would have to agree, to rebody a car is NOT RIGHT in any sense of the wording. Its fraudulent for one, and for another thing even if it wasn't against the law to me it would still be morally wrong.
yep :yesnod: :iagree: ......... Re -body :nono: :nono: .......... :RantExplode: :nono: :nono: ......
Quote from: tan top on May 19, 2008, 04:11:28 AM
Quote from: 69_500 on May 18, 2008, 07:54:27 PM
I would have to agree, to rebody a car is NOT RIGHT in any sense of the wording. Its fraudulent for one, and for another thing even if it wasn't against the law to me it would still be morally wrong.
yep :yesnod: :iagree: ......... Re -body :nono: :nono: .......... :RantExplode: :nono: :nono: ......
Seems only the "Mopar" crowd has issuses with reboding, or reskinning cars, coachbuilders did it for years repairing cars like Duesenburgs, Rolls Royces, Aurbans, Cords, etc , in todays "kitcar" market, Fireos, Cameros, mustangs, etc are used as donor cars to transform themselves into Lambos, Cobras, etc and the vins are transfered to the "new" car, some "kitcars" require 2 or more donor cars, depending on the chassis, motor/driveline, support systems required, then its just a matter of decideing what VIN you want to use, it's a "gray" line/ area, open to interpertation
Quote from: xs29j8Bullitt on May 17, 2008, 08:50:17 AM
Here are two pictures that might be your car a long time ago...
Allen, I know you qualified your comment by stating that it "might be your car"... However just for clarity's sake (to keep someone from making an incorrect assumption) let me say again:
The Enid, Oklahoma flood Daytona is NOT the same as the Ernie P / David Patik F6 car that is now in Australia. We've kicked that theory around more than once, and here's the best thread link (http://www.dodgecharger.com/forum/index.php/topic,34454.0/all.html) to see the main reasons why that's the case.
:cheers:
Oh, and rebodying is an ethical question as much for what happens to the car sometimes years after the restoration is completed. Will the truth of what happened to a car during its restoration (rebody) be relayed to prospective buyers long after the details of the restoration are forgotten by the mainstream Mopar crowd? What about the second or third subsequent owners - will they faithfully relay what happened to the car during the restoration? I know it's a situation where
caveat emptor prevails, but the temptation is too great for someone down the line to develop a case of selective amnesia and conveniently forget to pass along such an important detail.
Signing for the title to a car does not also transfer the high moral standards that the previous owner may truly hold.
Quote from: Zinc on May 19, 2008, 11:14:15 AM
Seems only the "Mopar" crowd has issuses with reboding, or reskinning cars
The POTENTIAL for wrongdoing will always put a cloud over the issue of rebodying - which is why the stigma is IMHO properly attached to the word. Besides, using the rest of the automotive world as a measuring stick against the "Mopar crowd" doesn't impress most of us in that "crowd". We're already going against the grain being Mopar folks in the first place, so we enjoy being different... :P
Quote from: hemigeno on May 19, 2008, 11:38:27 AM
Quote from: xs29j8Bullitt on May 17, 2008, 08:50:17 AM
Here are two pictures that might be your car a long time ago...
Allen, I know you qualified your comment by stating that it "might be your car"... However just for clarity's sake (to keep someone from making an incorrect assumption) let me say again:
The Enid, Oklahoma flood Daytona is NOT the same as the Ernie P / David Patik F6 car that is now in Australia. We've kicked that theory around more than once, and here's the best thread link (http://www.dodgecharger.com/forum/index.php/topic,34454.0/all.html) to see the main reasons why that's the case.
:cheers:
Oh, and rebodying is an ethical question as much for what happens to the car sometimes years after the restoration is completed. Will the truth of what happened to a car during its restoration (rebody) be relayed to prospective buyers long after the details of the restoration are forgotten by the mainstream Mopar crowd? What about the second or third subsequent owners - will they faithfully relay what happened to the car during the restoration? I know it's a situation where caveat emptor prevails, but the temptation is too great for someone down the line to develop a case of selective amnesia and conveniently forget to pass along such an important detail.
Signing for the title to a car does not also transfer the high moral standards that the previous owner may truly hold.
Quote from: Zinc on May 19, 2008, 11:14:15 AM
Seems only the "Mopar" crowd has issuses with reboding, or reskinning cars
The POTENTIAL for wrongdoing will always put a cloud over the issue of rebodying - which is why the stigma is IMHO properly attached to the word. Besides, using the rest of the automotive world as a measuring stick against the "Mopar crowd" doesn't impress most of us in that "crowd". We're already going against the grain being Mopar folks in the first place, so we enjoy being different... :P
I like to think we have higher standards :smilielol: :smilielol:
Quote from: Zinc on May 19, 2008, 11:14:15 AM
it's a "gray" line/ area, open to interpertation
Maybe to the Duesenburg kit car crowd it's a gray area, but then again, they're almost obligated to use another vin in the first place aren't they?
I'm sure you would likely see more red than gray if you paid top dollar for a perfect numbers matching Mopar and found out after the fact that it wasn't actually what the owner portrayed it as.
A "Kit Car" sometimes, but not alwys, has a "donor" vehicle but is NOT represented as a real anything. For example, you can make a Cobra kit car with a Mustang donor but there's no way anyone can or would confuse the end result with an original. In many states a kit car gets its own VIN but the VIN can be reused from the donor car if the major components are transferred. The idea of a donor car is to use a cheap (ie. disposable) car to create something better (usually a representation of a rare and much more valuable car). Again, this is all legal as opposed to what is commonly considered a rebody in Mopar circles. You won't see any sane person yanking VIN numbers off of a Ferarri to put on a Fiero chassis and trying to pass it off as real.
Certain older cars did use coach builders to put a body on their chassis. These were usually one-off or at least very low volume cars. There aren't a lot of parts cars floating around so usually the coach needs to be fabricated/repaired by hand. From a legality standpoint, this is also allowed since the original car is being fixed (not swapping the number over to a nicer one).
Pertaining to this discussion, a rebody means taking a less desirable/less rare/base model car of the same body style and transferring all the identification numbers to it in order to increase the value of the "investment" without having to do a lot of work. This is clearly illegal in all 50 states (and probably a bunch of countries that I haven't researched yet). What's the point of having a unique identifier if you just swap it around to any vehicle you please?
I'm not sure why our good buddy Mike Goyette (Zinc, dayclona, moparfied, Winga, WingaXbert, etc.) can't figure out the difference but it sure makes a person think.
Troy
Oh, I love the pet kangaroo! It's also cool that you can leave the car as a left hand drive now. That collection is probably a big hit over there (it would be here as well).
Troy
Quote from: Zinc on May 19, 2008, 11:14:15 AM
Quote from: tan top on May 19, 2008, 04:11:28 AM
Quote from: 69_500 on May 18, 2008, 07:54:27 PM
I would have to agree, to rebody a car is NOT RIGHT in any sense of the wording. Its fraudulent for one, and for another thing even if it wasn't against the law to me it would still be morally wrong.
yep :yesnod: :iagree: ......... Re -body :nono: :nono: .......... :RantExplode: :nono: :nono: ......
Seems only the "Mopar" crowd has issuses with reboding, or reskinning cars, coachbuilders did it for years repairing cars like Duesenburgs, Rolls Royces, Aurbans, Cords, etc , in todays "kitcar" market, Fireos, Cameros, mustangs, etc are used as donor cars to transform themselves into Lambos, Cobras, etc and the vins are transfered to the "new" car, some "kitcars" require 2 or more donor cars, depending on the chassis, motor/driveline, support systems required, then its just a matter of decideing what VIN you want to use, it's a "gray" line/ area, open to interpertation
Not sure if it's only the Mopar crowd.. I'm sure those in the Pontiac-world wouldn't wanna buy a cloned Judge that started life as a GTO or a Tempest,,,,,,,,,,,,. I'm sure if someone had 1 of 1, they would like it if someone "created" a '68 model in '2008.............. Then, there was 2 of 1.............. The ratio is skewed..... The key to it is someone trying to pass off a cloned car as a legit one..... Period.
Troy
Quote from: Troy on May 19, 2008, 01:24:35 PM
A "Kit Car" sometimes, but not alwys, has a "donor" vehicle but is NOT represented as a real anything. For example, you can make a Cobra kit car with a Mustang donor but there's no way anyone can or would confuse the end result with an original. In many states a kit car gets its own VIN but the VIN can be reused from the donor car if the major components are transferred. The idea of a donor car is to use a cheap (ie. disposable) car to create something better (usually a representation of a rare and much more valuable car). Again, this is all legal as opposed to what is commonly considered a rebody in Mopar circles. You won't see any sane person yanking VIN numbers off of a Ferarri to put on a Fiero chassis and trying to pass it off as real.
Certain older cars did use coach builders to put a body on their chassis. These were usually one-off or at least very low volume cars. There aren't a lot of parts cars floating around so usually the coach needs to be fabricated/repaired by hand. From a legality standpoint, this is also allowed since the original car is being fixed (not swapping the number over to a nicer one).
Pertaining to this discussion, a rebody means taking a less desirable/less rare/base model car of the same body style and transferring all the identification numbers to it in order to increase the value of the "investment" without having to do a lot of work. This is clearly illegal in all 50 states (and probably a bunch of countries that I haven't researched yet). What's the point of having a unique identifier if you just swap it around to any vehicle you please?
I'm not sure why our good buddy Mike Goyette (Zinc, dayclona, moparfied, Winga, WingaXbert, etc.) can't figure out the difference but it sure makes a person think.
Troy
wow that clarify's alot , I wondered why most of his posts where so hostile /confrontational
Quote'm not sure why our good buddy Mike Goyette (Zinc, dayclona, moparfied, Winga, WingaXbert, etc.) can't figure out the difference but it sure makes a person think.
me and hotrod where dicussing about................................Zinc.....................we thought he was from dayclona ...............
.........Hi mIKE. :wave: ................What are you building these days..........Rene
I remember seeing that car at Englishtown a few years ago. Tom
More from Australia I am Tims dad owner of the 34s ,the KB powered 68 Charger and Australias fastest Bellytank A/BFL and the Kangaroo I guess.Tim and I are totally convinced the car is NOT the flood car. But do believe it is the car pictured in front of the metal fence with the primer patches on it. Having now removed doors .T/lites ,interior ,front clip and eng/trans I am very pleased with the car 8in squ repair @ drivers feet and lowest part of trunk are only floor bits needing attention.Sills even look good,lower patches both sides of rear 1/4s and I think the rest is fixable
Quote from: bigfastjohn on May 20, 2008, 08:09:43 PM
More from Australia I am Tims dad owner of the 34s ,the KB powered 68 Charger and Australias fastest Bellytank A/BFL and the Kangaroo I guess.Tim and I are totally convinced the car is NOT the flood car. But do believe it is the car pictured in front of the metal fence with the primer patches on it. Having now removed doors .T/lites ,interior ,front clip and eng/trans I am very pleased with the car 8in squ repair @ drivers feet and lowest part of trunk are only floor bits needing attention.Sills even look good,lower patches both sides of rear 1/4s and I think the rest is fixable
Hi John, welcome to the site!
Glad you're pleased with the car's condition up to this point. The sheer magnitude of the wrinkles that will need to be ironed out has scared away a lot of folks so I'm impressed by your gumption if nothing else.
Thanks for chiming in and keep us posted on the car's progress as you get the chance.
Geno
QuoteAustralias fastest Bellytank
very cool, :cheers: i thought thats what that was . do you have a better picture of that?
OK report on Aussi Daytona Im impressed this body is great. No rust around back or front windows in fact the front is all green paint.My body man has looked at it and prefers to fix 1/4s than replace them,roof will be metal finished but he needs some new body files with square corners on the teeth and fine 13 tpi ? Are they available in USA as they seem to be hard to get here at the moment.Timmy my son will post some more photos soon Im not that good on the computer.
great news
Quote from: BigBlockSam on May 19, 2008, 02:22:23 PM
Quote'm not sure why our good buddy Mike Goyette (Zinc, dayclona, moparfied, Winga, WingaXbert, etc.) can't figure out the difference but it sure makes a person think.
me and hotrod where dicussing about................................Zinc.....................we thought he was from dayclona ...............
.........Hi mIKE. :wave: ................What are you building these days..........Rene
Rene, Did we have this discussion? I don't remember it. But then again, I've got at least a hundred things going on at once. The house remodel alone is killing me. I haven't worked on the daytona clone once this week. Well, other than to shoot some epoxy on the fenders and hood.
Sweet Kangaroo. Pet huh. Never would have thought that.
Oh yeah the car(s) are sweet as well. Welcome to the site. :2thumbs: :cheers:
Sussing is now in my vocabulary too, thanks.
v/r
Mike from Maine
Ok.. The body guy has been around to look at the car, he says that the drivers side is slightly twisted up but not to much to get worried about. He will fix the car using patches where necessary, not use new panels as some may have thought, which is more costly however helps the car maintain it's originality. He told us of a retired jeweler he knows who can repair our A-pillar wind deflectors. Due to the fact that gas here costs $1.61 per Liter or for you guys $6.09 PER GALLON!! the car will not be keeping it's 4.10 ratio and will more likely end up with a 3.23. The rear window has been pulled and what we found was all good, does anyone have any reasons why the rear plug needs to be removed for the restoration? One question we have is, what have people done about the build up of crap in the bottoms of your rear quarters? Here I have posted some more photos, all in all we are extremely happy with the car!
Tim, I know Australia is a large country, but are you involved with Noel at all? Did "the black Charger" start out yellow and get a red roof welded on? The reason I ask is there cannot be too many black 68's there and would like to get in touch with "the group" again. Is this it below?
(http://i303.photobucket.com/albums/nn133/krisiesmopes/scan21.jpg)
If so, drop me an email and I can update you on some things...
Quote from: hemi68charger on May 18, 2008, 01:17:49 PM
Quote from: Tim L on May 17, 2008, 08:14:58 PM
Some more photos...
Dang... How many Daytonas are in that pic !!?? Looks like 3 '69 Chargers.......... red one and 2 F6's......????
Judging by the earlier pictures, it looks like there might be another Daytona under the cover next to the F6 car in the back?
at one time dave had several project cars stored away
awesome BUILD! Glad to hear you have higher standards for restoration on this daytona
How hard is it on upkeep for a pet kangaroo? =)
Hi no my black 68 with the KB in it came here to Aust from NY (Cape May Courthouse) I think.It looked quite good but had a few pimples.It was stripped to a bare shell by me and a lot of bad repairs were found mainly in the back 1/4 s.Lots of bronze welding ect,this was all removed and replaced with steel, As the car was only a base charger I installed subframe joiners,plated the subframes even though they were solid,glued all the frame to body attachment points to backup the welds,moved the rear springs in to the subframe and widened the wheel tubs a little. The car was previously bronze but I had it painted Black and fitted a new vynol top which it didnt have before. As you can see the 440 Auto has been replaced with a KB water block,indy heads .Two smallish Turbos will be used I have fabricated all the manifolding. Backed with an aftermarket 2 speed it should be interesting.
Quote from: bigfastjohn on June 04, 2008, 06:35:10 AM
Hi no my black 68 with the KB in it came here to Aust from NY (Cape May Courthouse) I think.It looked quite good but had a few pimples.It was stripped to a bare shell by me and a lot of bad repairs were found mainly in the back 1/4 s.Lots of bronze welding ect,this was all removed and replaced with steel, As the car was only a base charger I installed subframe joiners,plated the subframes even though they were solid,glued all the frame to body attachment points to backup the welds,moved the rear springs in to the subframe and widened the wheel tubs a little. The car was previously bronze but I had it painted Black and fitted a new vynol top which it didnt have before. As you can see the 440 Auto has been replaced with a KB water block,indy heads .Two smallish Turbos will be used I have fabricated all the manifolding. Backed with an aftermarket 2 speed it should be interesting.
Very nice!
The one I pictured was done around Melbourne 5 years ago or so. The box is actually the red roof packaged on my driveway in Canada before it went over. The guys I was referring to go to the Hanging Rock shows...I know they have done the Charger, a Chally or 2 and a 69 Hemi Runner.
bet he wishes they made those nice new roof skins back then !
Quote from: moparstuart on June 04, 2008, 10:40:58 AM
bet he wishes they made those nice new roof skins back then !
For sure, the one he had was like swiss cheese, and the one we sent cost far more to get it there than the roof itself...
Sorry I didnt answer your question ,I live close to Hanging Rock and often attend, I do know one Noel Watson who is into Mopars just brought a Superbird in from US,he sold his hemi Roadrunner to get it I know he has other mopars and came to my place to look over the Daytona. If its him he is not far away and I can call him I dont know if he does computor some of us old guys down here are a bit slow. Also to the guy who asked the Kangaroo I raised as an orphan about 10 years ago and she just hangs about usually I dont see her all day and she appears around dinner time for a piece of bread , sits at the back door and comes in the kitchen if I let her.She is not caged up.
maybe you should buy this one also http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=290236412460
wow, good luck to anyone trying to restore that ball of rusted metal.... :icon_smile_dissapprove:
kangaroo? i had to look twice,i thought it was a greyhound taking a shit!
You may want to install a "ROO" bar on your Daytona. When I was in OZ years ago I had an HR Holden with no front bumper. Auzzies thought I was crazy driving around with no "ROO" bar.
Quote from: 70 Charger RT on June 05, 2008, 03:05:37 PM
You may want to install a "ROO" bar on your Daytona. When I was in OZ years ago I had an HR Holden with no front bumper. Auzzies thought I was crazy driving around with no "ROO" bar.
do a chrome loop bumper like on the water melon 70 clone only make it much bigger :smilielol:.
Here is the former NY daytona that went down under.Back when it was a Englishtown NJ
(http://i20.photobucket.com/albums/b229/Annie75414/RolloverdaytonaEnglishtownNJ.jpg)
getotgone I spoke to Noel today @ mopars at the Lake in Bendigo Vic . He remembers you well ,says he just lost touch,did you move? He is not a computer guy but I can get his phone # if you want
just now getting back to this thread..
thanks for all the updates and extra pics!
love those rods! :drool5:
love to see more pics if possible... :shruggy:
Ive seen a superbird in Australia...
Dunno if that counts to u having the only daytona since that is a superbird. :shruggy:
psh...superbirds don't count ::) ::) ::)
Dont forget the dart converted to a superbird live in Austrailia
Quote from: pettybird on June 15, 2008, 10:43:51 AM
psh...superbirds don't count ::) ::) ::)
oh doug if they dont count send me yours or at least one of them ? :icon_smile_big: :icon_smile_big: :icon_smile_big:
any updates on this car ?????
Hi not a lot to report from downunder,am still waiting for our turn in the body shop. Meanwhile we have stripped all the front sheetmetal back to bare with stripper and rotary wire brush .trans is at my buddys for a check over ,adjust and new seals at least I hope thats all. Ive painted and put new unis in the drive shaft I guess that blows any concourse chances I had as Im sure its never had paint before. The 440 after sitting 30 or so years although not rusty the pistons were quite hard to remove and the rings from the pistons impossible on some even after soaking in Diesel for days.Never mind my engine guy says it needs to go oversize and I have a set of 030 so I will use them.crank only needs a polish and the old nylon covered cam gear definately needs replacing (I thought only ford used those rotten things) But anyway after a hot tank + 030 bores and all new bearings pistons lifters ,check balance and a nice valve job it can go back together again. Oh yea I have to panel beat the oil pan a bit. Tim or I will keep you guys who are interested informed of where we are up to. John
Hell yeah, we're interested! :cheers: :2thumbs:
v/r
Mike
Quote from: mikepmcs on September 15, 2008, 06:05:44 PM
Hell yeah, we're interested! :cheers: :2thumbs:
v/r
Mike
:iagree: :yesnod: , keep the up dates coming & would love to see progress pictures dude ............... :popcrn:
I will post up more photos this weekend..
Alright here's the pics as promised. Just waiting on the body guy atm....
keep the pictures coming
Alright it's been a while and there's not an enormous amount to add. We are still waiting on the body guy who is semi retired and works part time from home while in his free time he travels the countryside. The engine is at the engine builders waiting on pistons. We have started reconditioning a lot of little various odds and ends so when the body gets beat and painted they are sitting there ready to go back on/in. Here's a few photos, it's 1am, I'll take some more tomo.
Enjoy, Tim.
Very cool on the Daytona's resurrection.......... :2thumbs:
Troy
Quote from: nascarxx29 on January 21, 2009, 11:08:57 PM
.I submitted a few cars of mine and found ones for this site oversome time and had friend Mike in NJ post pictures for me. Tim L How is the Austrailian former US F6 roll over 69 daytona coming along.Any progress pictures
http://www.carsinbarns.com/Superbirds%20&%20Daytonas/index.htm
Good to see progress on the roll over daytona has begun
AWESOME!!!! :cheers:
:popcrn:
Besides the Kangaroo, looks like you got a Pet Bird too? A cockatoo maybe :scratchchin: Do you have a Koala Bear, I like those :icon_smile_big: LEON.
:cheers: :popcrn: :drool5: :2thumbs:
No Koala Bear they're very aggressive, I did manage to pat a wild one once.. Don't try it! Yes that's a cockatoo and she's very inquisitive and basically a naughty little sh*t with a lot of character. Here's some more photos for you to chew over, including a friend of ours shed. The Superbird is a V code, bench seat, column shift auto car and the only one in Australia that we know of and only a 35 minute drive from us! The other cars are a 70 R/T Charger which he is restoring for a friend, 72 Roadrunner, Mach 1? 428 Mustang, 69 Coronet and a Ranchero. As I've said before the Daytona is really just waiting on the body guy... Two questions, our car has the A32 option why does it not have bigger, finned rear drums like on the '68? Also what is the purpose of this bracket??
Cheers Tim.
no this is a shed. repeat after me...WAREHOUSE or really big garage anyway. :icon_smile_big: Nice stuff in there :2thumbs:
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Exhaust tip bracket
Sorry, I'm talking more specifically about that bulge and it's purpose.
Other than possibly being a tie down point when transporting it does nothing but hold the exhaust tip bracket.
Does the Cockatoo talk, Looks like she's trying to help you out by grabbing that wrench for you, Do you say Fetch me that 1/2" wrench & then she gets it :rofl: :smilielol: :lol:. On that Brackett, Sorry, Never seen one like that. Just put new exhaust tip hangars on & nothing like that in the area. LEON.
bracket is on all second generations .. , unless they have been removed over the years ,like ufo says the tail pipe hanger brackets bolts to it , also the rear bumperetts / overiders bolt to it :yesnod:
good progress pictures Tim L :yesnod: love looking at stuff like this :yesnod: keep the pictures coming dude :popcrn:
My 69 daytona had that bracket also incorporated with the exhaust tip mounting .As UFO said it was there for the transporters to haul the car
Quote from: Tim L on January 24, 2009, 06:29:17 AM
our car has the A32 option why does it not have bigger, finned rear drums like on the '68?
Tim,
The A32 "Super Performance Axle Package" option included the following:
4.10 Dana Sure-Grip rear axle
7-blade Torque Drive Fan
26" High Performance Radiator w/ Shroud
Power Disc BrakesThe important part of that slate of options to answer your question is the disc brakes. Under that scenario, the rear axle was fitted with 10" x 2-1/2" rear drums rather than the usual 11" x 2-1/2" version found on manual or power drum brake cars. I guess they figured the front discs provided so much better braking capacity, they could shrink down the rear drum size a bit. All 1969 4.10 cars (4-speed or automatic) were equipped with power disc brakes and therefore 10" rear drums, with the notable exception of the A12 six-pack cars which came with 11" drums all around.
On your Broadcast Sheet, the Axle Code will be marked
644 for the 4.10 Dana with 10" drums, which is short for 2931644 - the assembly-line Part Number for this axle assembly.
Good progress on the car too, BTW! :cheers:
Here's a question for you, Tim:
I noticed in one of the quarterpanel shots that there is duct tape residue all over the tailstripe cutouts that wasn't there when the car was displayed at Carlisle. Was this left over from when the car was shipped down under? Trying to keep from doing any more advertising than necessary?
Just curious...
Great pics, thanks for sharing. Good to see another aero car down-under getting the treatment. :cheers:
Yes, the duct tape was placed on there as to not advertise while shipping only thing being, we ended up leaving the nose cone on rather than boxing it up separately as we had previously planned to. Decided it would be harder for someone to actually get under the car and disconnect it rather than just taking off with it in a box.
Awesome car! Looking forward to more updates. :cheers:
:popcrn:
Alright, it's been a while but the car is still progressing. The body work has been delayed by the fact that our body guy was diagnosed with bowel cancer and had to have a portion of his bowel removed. Glad to say he is ok and back at work, finishing some projects. Still don't know when the cars body work will begin, but hopefully not too far away. The engine has been rebuilt and the dyno showed us 394.4HP @ 5000RPM and 501.4FT LBS @3200, this is with a little head work, hotter cam while running the stock exhaust manifolds and carbi. The A pillar trims came back to us and I must say, hats off to the gentleman who beat them he did an amazing job. It's great just how much of this car is still in such good order and with a little TLC comes back to life looking great. Rebuilt the clock with a Quartz DIY conversion kit and revived the instrument cluster thanks to Dave Patik. Picked up an overdrive that was previously in an E body, just have to work out whether it fits the tunnel happily without having to butcher it otherwise it'll go back, any one got any experience? So many hours put into this and there is quite an accumulation of parts parked there, so many things done, so many photos, just thought I'd stick my head up so people can see this is still happening!
Cheers Tim.
And some....
wondered whats been happening Tim :yesnod: motor & A pillar mouldings look great :coolgleamA: look forward to seeing more pictures & updates as & when :yesnod: :popcrn:
great car glad your saving it . Your doing a great job . :2thumbs: :2thumbs: :2thumbs:
Quote from: Tim Lso many things done, so many photos
Gee, Tim, Don't hold back, now. :yesnod:
Cool. Looks like your progressing. Sorry about your body guy. Those rear brackets that you were asking about a while back, here's your answer. Brian a Mod here said this: That bracket is for a air/hydraulic bumper jack( a very common jack in those days).... most cars of the era had bumpers all the way down ,instead of a lower valence. but cars that didn't got a bracket of that type. Keep us posted and hopefully the body work will come around :2thumbs:
Car is still progressing, body guy has been supervising our trunk floor replacement. Car was blasted as you can see in the before and after shots revealing the usual more than you suspected rust. Overall still happy, looking as if at least one of the quater skins will now be replaced as will the taillight panel. Sub frames have been all fish oiled as we had the oppertunity, and in excellent shape. Diff has had axles check and new greens bearings and seals. Diff painted and loooking good. Back wheels cylinders have been sent off for rebuild along with NOS front calipers to be checked. Discs have been cleaned up after sitting for so long. Seats blasted and painted with POR15, now at trimmers being re-covered. Front end has been rebuilt and is half assembled. Enjoy the pics, more to come...
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:2thumbs: :cheers:
Comin' along pretty well... :2thumbs:
Troy
:2thumbs: :2thumbs: On its way back
awesome love to see this car saved , one of my favorite threads
Coming along nicely You made some incredible progress .Considering the cars starting off condition :2thumbs: :2thumbs:.Be glad this daytona wasnt your project
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what the hell does that burned car have to do with anything?
on the same token be glad you didn't start with a 1949 Chevrolet 4 door, too.
good to see some progress on the daytona tim :popcrn:
hope to see it at a show one day! what state you in? :coolgleamA:
Quote from: pettybird on February 21, 2010, 03:24:23 PM
what the hell does that burned car have to do with anything?
on the same token be glad you didn't start with a 1949 Chevrolet 4 door, too.
Be glad this daytona wasnt your project
Loudmouthaussie, we're in Victoria you in s.a by any chance? By the description of your 500 I might have seen some photos of it... What's the story with the burnt out daytona? Ours really isn't as bad as what some people seem to think.
looking good TimL , some good progress going on there :popcrn: :coolgleamA: :2thumbs:
Quote from: Tim L on February 22, 2010, 01:56:22 AM
Loudmouthaussie, we're in Victoria you in s.a by any chance? By the description of your 500 I might have seen some photos of it... What's the story with the burnt out daytona? Ours really isn't as bad as what some people seem to think.
nah mate im in brissy. have posted pics of it on here and 70 registry. its on cardomain too if you want a look :coolgleamA:
good luck with rest of your resto :cheers:
:shruggy: sorry double up on message
hello ,, sorry to butt in,, i know noel , myself and a few others here in the central victoria area are or have done chargers, if i/we can help??
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Quote from: dodgey68 on May 29, 2010, 11:31:57 PM
Very nice!
The one I pictured was done around Melbourne 5 years ago or so. The box is actually the red roof packaged on my driveway in Canada before it went over. The guys I was referring to go to the Hanging Rock shows...I know they have done the Charger, a Chally or 2 and a 69 Hemi Runner.
Not trying to Hijack, but New Zealand was mentioned earlier in the thread.
I know there are 2 Superbirds (maybe more?) and 1 or more Daytona's the one I know of is a 4 speed :2thumbs: not bad for a small Country.
Ok, a little more progress on the Daytona as you can see in the pics. Poor body guy hasn't been well but thankfully he's on the mend and the car is just awaiting attention. Dropped in there yesterday with dad to see the nose cone has come up quite nicely. He's reinforced it along the inner rear to strengthen it a little (As you can see in the 4th picture). He needed the headlight buckets to finish the nose and wanted to know the fender profile so we took him over a 68 fender for him to reference. Also has pulled the front up on the drivers side as it was down a little and pushed the roof out roughly. More assorted Daytona items arriving reguarly in the mail from the US which is nice to see. Seats have been recovered and have come up nicely, rails were blasted and painted with POR 15. Nose cone rubber is something we're looking for atm, from what I've read on here my understanding is that Dayclona's are good, if they still make them? Cheers, Tim.
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He's a pic of the nice crunch that has been removed from the front LHS of the nose..
Quote from: Tim L on July 04, 2010, 06:53:46 AM
He's a pic of the nice crunch that has been removed from the front LHS of the nose..
Very nice !!! :o :2thumbs:
Quote from: Tim L on July 04, 2010, 06:44:08 AM
wanted to know the fender profile so we took him over a 68 fender for him to reference. Cheers, Tim.
That '68 fender shape isn't even close to the correct shape where the fender meets the nosecone.
If you need a reference for that area,You'll need either an original Daytona fender or a modified 1970 Charger fender.
Quote from: hemi68charger on July 04, 2010, 07:43:54 AM
Quote from: Tim L on July 04, 2010, 06:53:46 AM
He's a pic of the nice crunch that has been removed from the front LHS of the nose..
Very nice !!! :o :2thumbs:
thats some real nice metal work going on there :yesnod: keep the pictures coming :drool5: :popcrn:
Things coming along nicely, the roof is looking a million dollars compared to what it was. Body man says he's got plenty more to do before he'll let us have it back, which is good to hear. Really doing some amazing work resurrecting this thing. Re-welded/leaded a couple of places around the plug where the lead wasn't happy. Nose cone is looking a million dollars in guide coat, looking as good on the inner as it does on the outer as does the roof skin. Glass fitting windows nicely as is windshield trim, tops of quarters also looking good. I had to shrink the photos right down because of the 200kb attatchment limit which is a shame but enjoy... Tim
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wow thats looking great ! nice work going on Tim :2thumbs: keep the pictures coming dude love looking at this kind of stuff :popcrn: :2thumbs:
:drool5: :drool5: :drool5: :drool5: :drool5: I love this car :drool5: :drool5: :drool5: so glad your saving all that original sheet metal
Looks like you found the best body man in all of Aussie!!! He is doing great work.
Justin
"CornDog"
Nice work :2thumbs:
:cheers: :cheers:
Hello all, had some of the 60's American muscle car club drop in on Saturday just gone to inspect progress on the Daytona. An assortment of cars from some of the major players of the time including Aussie stuff and a certain white Cuda' which was owned by dad (and almost purchased by me) at one point. It has now been restored and looks fantastic! this being the second time I've seen it finished. Had my Challenger out which is something of a rarity lately. BBQ lunch and a few beers talking to people new and old; was a good day all in all.
Cheers, Tim.
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Great work on the Daytona, well done to all concerned!
nice metal work been going on awesome job on the daytona :2thumbs: :drool5: :drool5: , that black charger looks to have some serious hardware going on under the hood !! i spy a elephant motor & a turbos :coolgleamA: :popcrn:
good pictures TL thanks for sharing :cheers:
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as alway great metal work , nice save
That's car looks beautiful, definetly not the same car I remember seeing sitting behind someones house on longisland. Good luck w completing it, keep the pics coming. :cheers: brian
Car really came a long way congrats
:2thumbs:
Hi Tim,
I guess this is as good as any reason for me to get off my arse (or is that put my arse on a seat) & make a post -you score post no.1.
As one of the co-ordinators of the motley crew of visitors I just want to say thanks for the hospitality of your folks.
I saw a few of the guys Monday night & they all appreciated the opportunity to visit -thanks again.
500man
Tim,,
She's coming along rather nicely........... :2thumbs:
Alright gentlemen question time.
1. How much higher is the center of the nose than the outer edges?? Please see picture #1
2. Is the gap between the nosecone and fender even all the way down and then reduces once the under tray begins. Or does the gap stay the same all the way down? Please see Picture #2
Cheers, Tim.
You are very lucky thanks for sharing this with us. I wondered where that car went to. A Daytona is worth taking on that extensive restoration. Also the pictures at Padiks are unbelievable. I wonder if Dave regrets selling all them cars :brickwall:
Quote from: Tim L on December 12, 2010, 05:55:03 AM
Alright gentlemen question time.
1. How much higher is the center of the nose than the outer edges?? Please see picture #1
2. Is the gap between the nosecone and fender even all the way down and then reduces once the under tray begins. Or does the gap stay the same all the way down? Please see Picture #2
Cheers, Tim.
I've done a fair bit of panel alignment but I will admit never on a Daytona. Sometimes you just need to loosen, move and adjust 3 panels to get one to line up. It definately takes some patience and finesse. Check out this thread. He had problems with the nose alignment that he seem to eventually work out.
http://www.dodgecharger.com/forum/index.php/topic,70102.25.html (http://www.dodgecharger.com/forum/index.php/topic,70102.25.html)
:cheers: car looks great . great thread .
:2thumbs: lots of respect to you and your dad for taking on this time capsal and bring it back ta life, and ya sure got the right old school talent bodyman.. also one of the coolest shops and wild group of cars in there. keep up the great work and updates,all the best down under. have ya ever seen the dart-bird ,or know any info on it.. i am building a dart topless and hope ta make it a 1 off topless wing car and drive the wheels off it,so my 67 gtx ragtop can stay home safe and sound. thanks ,great read :popcrn:
Djarguy, I heard a rumour of a winged car on a farm a couple of hours north of my parents and when I asked around it turned out to be the Dartbird. There's a topic on it here somewhere..
Tim cars coming along nicely .Still looking for more in on Hatfield Recon Center .Heres the Dart bird magazine article on this link
http://www.dodgecharger.com/forum/index.php/topic,48081.msg524690/topicseen.html#msg524690
Alright, been a while since I've posted and things as usual are progressing, however, very slowly. The front of the car is finished and ready for paint, the LH rear is almost done with the RHS and tail light panel still to go. Opting to keep as much original sheet metal as possible, the bottom of the LH rear quater/ wheel arch /sill were fibricated and installed. The photos showing the the body work give you good detail of how the car is being finished nicely and not ending up a bondo buggy! We're told it's not too far off (which we're hoping because our body man is about to head off on a 3 month long tour/fishing trip).
The new kid on the block is a 71 'Cuda, 340 4-speed car which I found in florida, I believe it spent most of it's life in Louisiana and then later in Arizona. Buying a car sight unseen from the other side of the country (let alone the other side of the planet) is something best avoided. The car all in all has the typical E-Body rust as described by the seller, but he did fail in his description of the condition and, inclusion of parts that accompanied the car...... The photos are of when it was first collected from the docks and in short term storage at my mates place with his 54 Caddy.
Jeez the Daytona's looking good!!
Tim.
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Some good old fashioned heating and shrinking going on there. Good to see panel work done properly.
QuoteOpting to keep as much original sheet metal as possible,
:cheers: i like that . it's only original sheet metal once . :2thumbs:
Quote from: BigBlockSam on May 22, 2011, 10:51:07 AM
QuoteOpting to keep as much original sheet metal as possible,
:cheers: i like that . it's only original sheet metal once . :2thumbs:
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Quote from: moparstuart on May 22, 2011, 02:50:29 PM
Quote from: BigBlockSam on May 22, 2011, 10:51:07 AM
QuoteOpting to keep as much original sheet metal as possible,
:cheers: i like that . it's only original sheet metal once . :2thumbs:
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:iagree: ........ :scope: awesome working going on ! good pictures thanks for posting :cheers: :popcrn:
beautiful work dude these kinda resurections i like
Just joined also, Excellent, very cool car with the F6 combo, one of my cars is F6, I dig it (even for a green), when previously marketed, even beat up some, it appeared a faily solid car, I understand why you bought it. Looks like it found a real car family, very cool.
Continued success it looks better all the time :2thumbs: :2thumbs: :2thumbs:.Came along way from this starting point http://www.dodgecharger.com/forum/index.php/topic,31444.0.html
Quote from: Tim L on May 22, 2011, 03:51:25 AM
And some..
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Thing (the hand) inspects the bodywork. Any more of the Addams family come to see it?
it's good to hear you're getting it done properly, but there's a lot of pitting in that photo.
This is the secret Aussi "THING" which enables us to do body repairs with only a paper thin layer of bondo, you want to borrow him?
Tim,
I can't believe this is the same Daytona that I saw for sale at the Mopar Nationals a few years back! I thought that if someone wanted to save it they were going to have to put a new rear clip from another Charger on it and transfer the rear plug back! It was painfull to see the trunk floor being replaced after all the other original sheetmetal that was saved. I was thinking your miracle body man would spray weld it or something and again save it also!
Do you know the vin number of the Y2 yellow Daytona that served as a donor for all the front end parts?
Keep posting the update pictures you have me hooked!
Mopar John
Quote from: Mopar John on June 20, 2011, 01:44:04 PM
Do you know the vin number of the Y2 yellow Daytona that served as a donor for all the front end parts?
Hmmmm..... :scratchchin: ....this Y2 'Tona seems to be missing a front clip... :shruggy:
http://www.dodgecharger.com/forum/index.php/topic,81792.0.html (http://www.dodgecharger.com/forum/index.php/topic,81792.0.html)
Mopar John, don't know what happend to the Y2 yellow donar car. The front clip came out of Arizona, or so I was told by Tom the NY guy we bought the car from. I did ask the same question in a thread and this is what I was told......
http://www.dodgecharger.com/forum/index.php/topic,68848.0.html
Cheers, Tim
Tom from NY I know well .Never got any detail about how he found or obtained the front clip.But the only Y2 parts front clip donor I could think off was a old newsletter alert about a missing in 79-80 Y2 Hemi Daytona .There was a missing/stolen from Marvin H FL 426 Daytona recorded in a newsletter.XX29J9B379727
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And this hemi daytona reported stolen back in the day of Mike Nelsons XX29J9B379727 R4 red 4 speed I think it was..The motor turned up in a newsletter while back .Guy was looking for the rest of it to go with that motor
http://board.moparts.org/ubbthreads/showflat.php?Cat=0&Number=585449&page=13&fpart=31&vc=1
XX29J9B379727 156 oh hemi Capital City Dodge Columbus, Ohio 8/26/1969
Question. Are the front fender wheel arch opening trims on a Daytona (70 Charger) the same as a 68 Charger?
Here's a few more pics of the work going on....
Thanks in advance, Tim.
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Quote from: Tim L on July 01, 2011, 05:26:45 AM
Question. Are the front fender wheel arch opening trims on a Daytona (70 Charger) the same as a 68 Charger?
'68-70 Chargers used a similar front wheel lip moulding, although the part number changed at least between 1969 and 1970 (I don't have a '68 parts book to check that year's P/N). The Daytona front wheel lip mouldings are
Daytona-specific and very difficult to find. Totally correct solutions for this problem are rather limited, because the Daytona version is longer and has a different bend/profile at the front lower leg of the moulding.
A couple of years ago I experimented with trying to straighten out that front lower leg of a "regular" Charger wheel lip moulding to mate up with the Daytona fender & valance profile, and this can be done fairly successfully with a metal stretcher. However, it still leaves the moulding about 3/4" shorter than the originals - and if you square-cut that front bottom edge as were the originals, the difference is closer to a full inch. THAT'S hard to fix. More than a few cars are sporting regular Charger mouldings with a relief cut right around the joint between the fender and lower valance. That allows the moulding to be bent straight to fit the profile (leaves a telltale "V"). If you don't have the option of straightening out that leg with a metal stretcher, a relief cut is about the only way to make the mouldings fit. Again, using a "regular" Charger moulding however it's straightened out will still leave a little bit of the lower valance showing, but that's a much better option than not having any mouldings at all.
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cant wait to see this thing finished! more pics! :drool5: :drool5: :drool5: :drool5:
;) Thanks Hemigeno we really appreciate this help as you are aware we have no other Daytonas to go look at so we are in the dark. We will now make the 68/69 trim fit as you suggested. Tims Dad John
here is my modified moldings...i wish i would have tried the stretching! but even done like this you cannot notice except for the cut, ive heard some people tig welding this ? :shruggy:
Quote from: randr on July 02, 2011, 10:14:53 AM
here is my modified moldings...i wish i would have tried the stretching! but even done like this you cannot notice except for the cut, ive heard some people tig welding this ? :shruggy:
Great photo, randr, as that shows the simplest and most direct fix. Stretching the metal out to get that last several inches of the moulding "straight" can be done, but takes a little time. The stainless they used is kinda tough stuff, and the witness/tooling marks from the stretcher can consume a lot of time to polish out as well.
Below is a picture of my original mouldings, where you can see how it covers the valance and is square-cut at the end.
(http://www.dodgecharger.com/forum/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=48725.0;attach=119761)
Cutting off a small piece out of a junk molding & silicone it behind the V-cutout will help to mask it.
Quote from: Richard Cranium on July 02, 2011, 03:38:10 PM
Cutting off a small piece out of a junk molding & silicone it behind the V-cutout will help to mask it.
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Nice discussions, thanks, Either of you F6 guys have any guidance or ideas towards chasing as close as possible original F6 "correctness" and variations coming with modern paints. Any paint manufactures to stay away from? No intention to hijack thread, would like to hear wisdom regarding color on these level cars.
Check this original one out
Don't know if this correct, I fished it off a forum somewhere in the last couple of years....
F6 paint formula for a gallon of dupont croma base
830 J green 1131.3 grams
843 J bright yellow 1414.1 grams
801 J white (HS) 1549.9 grams
807 J black (LS) 1629.1 grams
175k binder 3796.1 grams
and you mix the reducer 4:1
Our paint was matched using a sample from passengers side door jam.
Hope this helps.
How's the 500 coming?
Thanks again for the photos of the front wheels arch trims gentlemen!
Tim.
Thanks for the paint mix for ref, dreaming of a "correct" color. The one little area painted so far is looking great, color seems good, but very bright compared to some other F6 old paint parts. Regarding the recent 500, by the options, that was clearly a reaction to the holy grail (in my head) which found the national market and into my hands, was looking quite a while for a very rare 500. I already had a F8 500 which really I need to sell before much happens on the one I just bought. More specifically and complicated by my relationship skills with my wife.... is I am at the financially dedicated painting stage on my F6 car (general photo scope for color, not aero car).
Tim, amazing work!
Dane
::) Ok next question ,are the plates/washers that sit against the underneath of the quarters that the wing studs pass through after the painted sheetmetal. The pieces that the 4 nuts and washers pull up to, are they meant to be spot welded to the trunk gutter???? Tims dad
Yes. Go to Hemigeno's resto thread....should be some pics in there.
Quote from: bigfastjohn on July 10, 2011, 06:00:27 AM
::) Ok next question ,are the plates/washers that sit against the underneath of the quarters that the wing studs pass through after the painted sheetmetal. The pieces that the 4 nuts and washers pull up to, are they meant to be spot welded to the trunk gutter???? Tims dad
maybe do a site search on wing washers may limit your search
We have Hemigeno s car in book form he doesnt appear to remove the washers from the car ,this makes me think they are spot welded to the trunk gutter. Ours were out and dont have any marks on the edge but the gutter did have a few holes which I thought were rust through and welded them up :'( John
"One thing he plans to do is to replicate the burn mark on each of the wing washer spot welds and the other welded areas. Those weren't painted on the bottom side, and what little overspray they'll get would never have masked the original weld burns"
http://www.dodgecharger.com/forum/index.php/topic,48725.msg743935/topicseen.html#msg743935
REPLY #1491 3/4 of the way down the page...
Guess I shouldn't have taken to the, "rust holes" with the oxy afterall Johnny....
John / Tim,
Looks like you've already concluded the wing washers were spot-welded to the trunk gutter - and that's correct. I've only seen one original car that was handled any differently, where the wing washers were attached with smallish carriage bolts... those would have eventually been a source of leaks had that been the normal procedure, which is likely why they went with spot welding instead.
Initially the wing washers were not removed from my car, but later we decided to pull them out and refinish/protect the topside. After all that work was done, they were spot-welded back in the same places for effect.
Thanks Gino good of you to confirm my guess ,it will be done. ;)
any new updates on this car im needin my fix, this car is looking awesome please keep the pics rolling
Body work is 99% complete, the driver side floor has been replaced and behind the passengers door has been pulled out and nicely finished. There are pictures for those who requested them and just to show the car is getting the body work it truly deserves. At this point, the paint guy tells me car should be able to be fitted in by the end of the year. Hopefully in time for Xmas and our summer break! Looking forward to the days in the shed assembling this long green machine. Dropped the O/D off at our transmission guy on Saturday. More progress.
Was looking in a tile store with the Mrs. recently and as we were leaving, spotted an Australian Charger sitting on top of a shipping container in the distance. Ventured over and found a wrecking yard (junk yard) filled to the brim with all sorts of makes and models of Aussie stuff from yesteryear. Walking around outside we met the owner who said we could wonder through as we pleased. I asked about the Charger and he said he had 6 of them. Walking down near the back Lucy called to me and said she had found the sixth one, wandering over not expecting much as the rest were very sad looking, I was surprised to find a sunfire yellow car placed on top of a Mitsubishi van. It had been picked to the bone; however was wearing original looking 6-Pack stickers and one thing that caught my attention was the fact that it had holes either side of the C-pillars where there would have once been duel filler caps to fill the optional 160L (42 Gallons) race tank. Asking about the car he could not tell me a great deal apart from where he had got it from. I came home, made a few phone calls and discovered that this was once in fact a 1972 E-49 Charger, probably the most desirable Aussie Mopar ever built and the fastest 6-cyl production car in the world - until Porsche out-did it in 1975. The car had been re-bodied around '00 into a later model charger, moving the inner guards, firewall tag - anything that could identify this car as what it truly was. The yard owner said he wanted $1500 for the car (it was tempting, but with nothing to prove what it is and not to mention I have more than enough on my plate atm). Sad to see something that once was truly an amazing piece of automotive history sitting there picked dry but it's been happening a long time and will happen again.... This is worthless without a picture I know, but my phone decided to spit the dummy and I lost the pictures and everything on it.
There was a Mopar car show on recently near where the Daytona lives and there were three Superbirds in attendance, much to my surprise. The petty blue and red one were clones and the orange one is a real 440-6 car. I was told in '04 that the petty blue one came out of a wrecking yard in New Mexico with a nosecone and wing with it. The red one I don't know anything about and the orange 440-6 car belongs to Noel Watson (who I believe some members on here may know) and was brought in from CA a few years ago.
Plenty more pics for those who need a fix.
Tim.
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Thankyou to Nascarxx29, who has put so many pieces together in the puzzle, which is this cars history. I'm sure I'm not the only one he's helped here... I am still looking for the history on this car pre - 1979 when it was purchased as a wreck by Ernie Palanches. I spoke to Ernie when I had bad flu a couple of years back and don't recall everything he said. If anyone here speaks to him, I'd appreciate it if you asked him if he has re-called anything since we last spoke.
Im always looking for actual dealer ads car historys for my collection etc.I did find a guy who distributed 69 daytonas to NJ dealers but no paperwork or pictures .Tim did you see that shipment remark on your daytona that went to Hatfield recon where it noted SALES SHOW.It might have been on display?? Other daytonas and etc etc remarks on the list have performance car show exhibition center.Which may make it stand out from where it was exposed to the public.That someone may remember .Maybe MCG should feature your car and its story of rebirth.I did see Earnie at a show a while back .I may remembered this incorrectly but I think he said owner of daytona purposely intended to hit a telephone pole head on.And flipped car.Another scenario I heard not from Earnie was car was driven in a field and a ditch caused it to flip.But the earlier nose picture shows a tree or telephone pole impression in my :Twocents:
(http://i975.photobucket.com/albums/ae240/Wingcars69/Hatfielddaytona.jpg)
Thankyou, I did see your post. I'm just mot sure where to go from here... I have thought about the car in MCG, but think that will wait and see if they're interested once it's finished? Ernie told me the car was intentionally run into a telephone pole!
Tim.
Quote from: Tim L on August 21, 2011, 06:36:56 AM
Body work is 99% complete, the driver side floor has been replaced and behind the passengers door has been pulled out and nicely finished. There are pictures for those who requested them and just to show the car is getting the body work it truly deserves. At this point, the paint guy tells me car should be able to be fitted in by the end of the year. Hopefully in time for Xmas and our summer break! Looking forward to the days in the shed assembling this long green machine. Dropped the O/D off at our transmission guy on Saturday. More progress.
Was looking in a tile store with the Mrs. recently and as we were leaving, spotted an Australian Charger sitting on top of a shipping container in the distance. Ventured over and found a wrecking yard (junk yard) filled to the brim with all sorts of makes and models of Aussie stuff from yesteryear. Walking around outside we met the owner who said we could wonder through as we pleased. I asked about the Charger and he said he had 6 of them. Walking down near the back Lucy called to me and said she had found the sixth one, wandering over not expecting much as the rest were very sad looking, I was surprised to find a sunfire yellow car placed on top of a Mitsubishi van. It had been picked to the bone; however was wearing original looking 6-Pack stickers and one thing that caught my attention was the fact that it had holes either side of the C-pillars where there would have once been duel filler caps to fill the optional 160L (42 Gallons) race tank. Asking about the car he could not tell me a great deal apart from where he had got it from. I came home, made a few phone calls and discovered that this was once in fact a 1972 E-49 Charger, probably the most desirable Aussie Mopar ever built and the fastest 6-cyl production car in the world - until Porsche out-did it in 1975. The car had been re-bodied around '00 into a later model charger, moving the inner guards, firewall tag - anything that could identify this car as what it truly was. The yard owner said he wanted $1500 for the car (it was tempting, but with nothing to prove what it is and not to mention I have more than enough on my plate atm). Sad to see something that once was truly an amazing piece of automotive history sitting there picked dry but it's been happening a long time and will happen again.... This is worthless without a picture I know, but my phone decided to spit the dummy and I lost the pictures and everything on it.
There was a Mopar car show on recently near where the Daytona lives and there were three Superbirds in attendance, much to my surprise. The petty blue and red one were clones and the orange one is a real 440-6 car. I was told in '04 that the petty blue one came out of a wrecking yard in New Mexico with a nosecone and wing with it. The red one I don't know anything about and the orange 440-6 car belongs to Noel Watson (who I believe some members on here may know) and was brought in from CA a few years ago.
Plenty more pics for those who need a fix.
Tim.
this thing is looking awesome thanks for the updates
:drool5: looking good TL awesome stuff !! keep the pictures coming :popcrn: :2thumbs:
howdy...love your car i have herd of a car like this up castlemain way,i am a member of the 60s amcc..i was going to contact you earlyier to see if you were chaseing a rear for your car,but looks like its already been replaced ,i have a NOS rear tail light panel and a NOS rear vallance for a 69 charger would be perfect for using on a daytona ,,would love to have a look one day if thats possible ,,i am in the yarra valley in melb and i have a few old mopars my self love to hook up to have a chat if you want to have a chat my number is 0402215094 and my name is tony...i love your other cool cars to,,i think i seen the old 34 at caslemain swap some 25 years ago with the cammer engine in it for sale minus engine ..dont know if its the same one ,,any way i think you have 1 real cool colections of cars ..cheers tony.....
the fit on your parts looks fantastic! Hope mine comes out like that.
Glad to see Ernie chimed in .He might be able to give you details of the back in the day purchase what year he bought it and where and who from .That might give us the leads we need to find more info on this daytona
On another note heres Ernie in NJ current 69 daytona this website called it a general lee
http://www.prewarcar.com/postwarclassic/magazine/previous-features/where-is-theb-one-and-only-general-lee-dodge-charger-014570.html
Nascarxx29, Ernie couldn't recall where or the name of whom he purchased it from. Said he didn't get it out of Hatfield. It was over 30 years ago so I can't say I blame him. He had file on the car which included a business card he found in the back of a seat and that was about it. I'll forward the details of the card onto you if you like? Was for a lawyer? Nose cone went to scrap he said, as it was to far gone...
Once again, appreciate your efforts.
Tim
Thanks for the show photos.
Hmm, there must be more winged cars "across the ditch" than I thought
Quote from: Tim L on August 23, 2011, 04:15:28 PM
Nascarxx29, Ernie couldn't recall where or the name of whom he purchased it from. Said he didn't get it out of Hatfield. It was over 30 years ago so I can't say I blame him. He had file on the car which included a business card he found in the back of a seat and that was about it. I'll forward the details of the card onto you if you like? Was for a lawyer? Nose cone went to scrap he said, as it was to far gone...
Once again, appreciate your efforts. Anything thats a usefull lead will give it a shot .Do you ever get in contact with Mort Gallub.I searched and found this stuff
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Here's the poor old E49
I would LOVE to have an Aussie E49 Charger!!! Heck, I'd even take a regular Aussie Charger! I have never seen one in person but I have always wanted one when I first saw pictures of one. Driving on the right side would take a little getting use to!
Justin
"CornDog"
There was importer of these australian car I think in CA.Might have been this place
http://www.madmaxcars.com/
Looks like the only part left on that charger is the rear bumper. i used to own a VJ charger back in the early 90s. i got a near-new rear bumper like that from the rubbish tip (free if i could extract it from the wreck) those days are long gone now that all cars are 'recycled'.
Quote from: Tim L on August 21, 2011, 06:36:56 AM
Body work is 99% complete, the driver side floor has been replaced and behind the passengers door has been pulled out and nicely finished. There are pictures for those who requested them and just to show the car is getting the body work it truly deserves. At this point, the paint guy tells me car should be able to be fitted in by the end of the year. Hopefully in time for Xmas and our summer break! Looking forward to the days in the shed assembling this long green machine. Dropped the O/D off at our transmission guy on Saturday. More progress.
Was looking in a tile store with the Mrs. recently and as we were leaving, spotted an Australian Charger sitting on top of a shipping container in the distance. Ventured over and found a wrecking yard (junk yard) filled to the brim with all sorts of makes and models of Aussie stuff from yesteryear. Walking around outside we met the owner who said we could wonder through as we pleased. I asked about the Charger and he said he had 6 of them. Walking down near the back Lucy called to me and said she had found the sixth one, wandering over not expecting much as the rest were very sad looking, I was surprised to find a sunfire yellow car placed on top of a Mitsubishi van. It had been picked to the bone; however was wearing original looking 6-Pack stickers and one thing that caught my attention was the fact that it had holes either side of the C-pillars where there would have once been duel filler caps to fill the optional 160L (42 Gallons) race tank. Asking about the car he could not tell me a great deal apart from where he had got it from. I came home, made a few phone calls and discovered that this was once in fact a 1972 E-49 Charger, probably the most desirable Aussie Mopar ever built and the fastest 6-cyl production car in the world - until Porsche out-did it in 1975. The car had been re-bodied around '00 into a later model charger, moving the inner guards, firewall tag - anything that could identify this car as what it truly was. The yard owner said he wanted $1500 for the car (it was tempting, but with nothing to prove what it is and not to mention I have more than enough on my plate atm). Sad to see something that once was truly an amazing piece of automotive history sitting there picked dry but it's been happening a long time and will happen again.... This is worthless without a picture I know, but my phone decided to spit the dummy and I lost the pictures and everything on it.
There was a Mopar car show on recently near where the Daytona lives and there were three Superbirds in attendance, much to my surprise. The petty blue and red one were clones and the orange one is a real 440-6 car. I was told in '04 that the petty blue one came out of a wrecking yard in New Mexico with a nosecone and wing with it. The red one I don't know anything about and the orange 440-6 car belongs to Noel Watson (who I believe some members on here may know) and was brought in from CA a few years ago.
Plenty more pics for those who need a fix.
Tim.
thats great :smilielol: :smilielol: :smilielol: :smilielol:
any new updates on this beauty
Tim did mention something about a business card found in the daytona.That might be a lead.Other than that havent heard or found anything new on it
I'm curious about that business card he found because that car was sitting for years a few towns away from me
Gtxreme, very interesting to hear that. My understanding was once crashed, it went to Patiks barn in Iowa. Then onto Tom in NY. The card was for a lawyer in PA I'll dig up the details and post them this evening.. When/where was it sitting a couple of towns over from you? Cheers, Tim.
What part of town what part of the state
Great to follow your progress Tim, and looking forward to future installments.
That sunfire yellow 49 would've been quite the car in it's day, ( heard of a VJ49 that just crossed the ditch back for huge dough just the import fee was 90k !!!) I had a silver 71 VH R/T 6pk and 4 speed which would do 14.1's and would go like a cut cat on the road. A mate of mine took me for a run in his Hemi Orange 49 when I was 22 and got a chirp out of it in 3rd even, I was hooked on Vals after that. :2thumbs:
:cheers: Kiwi Bob
Thanks everyone for your words of encouragement and the stories you share, I seldom get back to individual comments however I am reading and enjoying them.
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Michael Delise, Notary Public, Tax Consultant, Real Estate Sale,
966 Argyle Road, Warrington, PA 18976. Phone DI3-1297
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This was the card found in the Daytona in 1979? By Enrie Palchanes
Night, Tim
There was a well known wingcar guy in Warrington PA for years.Don Klump he owned the current Tim W 426 brown daytona back in 1976.Will see if this F6 daytona was crashed in Warrington or spent time in that area.If I an get in contact with him
Michael Delise, Notary Public, Tax Consultant, Real Estate Sale,
966 Argyle Road, Warrington, PA 18976. Phone DI3-1297
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This was the card found in the Daytona in 1979? By Enrie Palchanes
I might have found him
http://www.legacy.com/obituaries/philly/obituary.aspx?n=michael-a-delise&pid=2988913&fhid=4446
Quote from: Tim L on September 12, 2011, 04:16:17 PM
Gtxreme, very interesting to hear that. My understanding was once crashed, it went to Patiks barn in Iowa. Then onto Tom in NY. The card was for a lawyer in PA I'll dig up the details and post them this evening.. When/where was it sitting a couple of towns over from you? Cheers, Tim.
The car sat behind a house outside in Ronkonkama, Long Island for years. i remember seeing it i englistown with a pretty price tag on it too. I wish i had some pics of it from when it was sitting outside.
Prior owner Tom P lived in long Island .Same guy that brought car to Englishtown and Carlisle
XX29L9B381541
1969 - Sold new Hatfield Recon Center, Hatfield PA
1969 - 1979 - Unknown********
1979 - Car bought as a wreck by Ernie Palanches/Mike Meguire and traded to Dave Patik for Superbird.
1979 - 1994 - Car sits in Patiks barn in Iowa
1994 - Car purchased from Patik by Tom Puglia through Galen Govier
1994 - 2008 - Car owned by Tom and stored on Long Island NY
2008 - Car purchased from ebay and imported to Australia
I would like to know the whereabouts of this car from 1969 - 1979
Nice timeline :cheers: .Just wonder did Earnie see a ad in a Hatfield newspaper or wingcar newsletter hemmings police/insurance auction? For the original purchase.And the fact there was a accident a telephone taken down there be somewhat of a trail to pick up on.But still looking and asking.That 69-79 10 year gap just makes me think it should have been scrapped/totalled out un fixable back in those years ..But maybe car was tied up in some kind of legal legitation insurance company :Twocents:.Just curious what milege is showing on the speedometer since car was flipped and undriven
Maybe MCG will do you cars story.The flipped upside down daytona that went down under ;D
http://www.dodgecharger.com/forum/index.php/topic,31444.msg343505/topicseen.html#msg343505
While going over this cars story again and again for detail this 2007 description of how the car was damaged makes sense .The telephone pole head on intent and launch in my thought would have taken radiator support up to the firewall
Re: 69 daytona $145.000 seen @ Carlisle origins
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Heres the reply I recieved on that car from Dave at PCG
Car # 381541 was being driven in a rainstorm, when driver lost control. Car went into ditch, and car landed on roof. Car was wrecked, but is definitely fixable. Roof was pushed in on front left. Rear glass ok. Frame rails seemed ok, but weren't measured. Car had no evidence of ever being in a flood. If you are looking at the well known picture of an upside down Daytona with other cars from a flood, that was in the midwest. 381541 came from Northeast.
http://www.dodgecharger.com/forum/index.php/topic,31444.msg343505/topicseen.html#msg343505
Sorry Tim I never heard back on my last leed .Try running a story in a newsletter :Twocents:
any new updates on this beauty
She will be home tomorrow , in 2 pack putty and blocked back by the body guys. We plan to paint and body deaden the underneath ourselves,prior to the painter doing his thing. Im sure Tim will take and post photos but thats his thing. Tims Dad :cheers: :cheers:
Car was brought home today. Currently sits in high fill putty awaiting a coat of F6 green. We will paint the under body, trunk and anything else not visible once the car is assembled. Painter is looking to take the car off us January, so he says.... Few more update pictures on the trip home.
Cheers, Tim.
Looking really nice!!
More.
WOW, now that's bodywork! Btw your shop looks awesome. If I'm ever in Australia I need to stop by and take some pictures. :2thumbs:
Sure if you are ever down this way look us up. John
:coolgleamA: looks real good :yesnod: :popcrn:
Absolutely amazing!! You are truly doing that car justice! I cant wait to see it finished.
any new updates on this car , please, she looks great so far
I dont check this section all the time, and this is the first time I ever seen this thred. :shruggy:
Anyway, excellent job guys!!! :cheers: :2thumbs:
Great progress Tim! I like when the body is all defect free and in the primer state! The only thing better is when the final paint is on! KEEP ON KEEPIN ON!
Mopar John
please more updates, this is amazing so far
No new photos, the car is at home and awaiting us to paint/cavity wax/body deaden the cabin/underbody. She will be painted by early January at this point and then the fun will commence.
I have found a gentleman who knew of our car parked as a wreck in Chalfont, PA around 1976 - 1979. It sat beside a house for about 3 years as you left the township of Chalfont heading north. This gentleman has a friend who believes he knows who's car it was. The owner is believed to have passed away, but his son is still around town so just waiting to hear back....
Tim.
Keep trying thats some progress
First of all, Merry Christmas and a Mopar new year!
Car has been home for a while now and been awaiting the attention it deserves. Everyone's busy at this time of the year, and it's nice to finally get something done. Kicked the 55 Ford Delivery out of the way and brought in the Daytona. A lot of sealing and sanding and the car's starting to return to it's former glory now that it has some colour returning to it. We have cavity waxed the subframe, sealed and painted the wheel arches, underbody, trunk, front/rear firewall and parcel shelf in anticipation of the car going to the shop. Spoke to the painter today and we will be dropping the Daytona off early in the new year, he has a 69 Camero, 56 Ford pickup and a Holden Sandman Panelvan awaiting him so no hurry.
We'll be #1 on the concourse Police's wanted list once these photo's are seen...
Enjoy.
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Very nice :drool5:
missed a spot! right there! no, not there...there!
looks amazing--keep up the good work!
Quote from: Tim L on December 29, 2011, 07:36:24 AM
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mmm F6 on......progress looking good. Curious, I guess the car is an uncoating car, but you are choosing to only coat the wheel wells or what? Are you using the goopy undercoating more "correct" stuff or some the spray on bedliner product. Ideally in the spring I will be where you are at now and I am intending on using spray on bedliner, see any negatives to doing that? I like what you got going on there, I plan to duplicate the lines on my car, paint vs undercoating, one or the other no bare metal (I can post a orig pic if you like)
Quote from: pettybird on December 29, 2011, 09:38:27 AM
missed a spot! right there! no, not there...there!
looks amazing--keep up the good work!
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:scope: ...... :yesnod: nice work :2thumbs: keep the pictures coming :popcrn:
You guys are doing a great job.Keep the pictures and updates coming :2thumbs: :2thumbs: :2thumbs:
Tim,
The Daytona is looking great! The bright green paint makes you forget how far it has come from when you started on it! Keep the updates coming! :2thumbs:
MJ
The green looks amazing, man!
looking great :cheers:
looking great
AWESOME.
Looks amazing! Light years away from where you started. :2thumbs:
Quote from: GTXtreme on September 13, 2011, 05:37:42 PM
Quote from: Tim L on September 12, 2011, 04:16:17 PM
Gtxreme, very interesting to hear that. My understanding was once crashed, it went to Patiks barn in Iowa. Then onto Tom in NY. The card was for a lawyer in PA I'll dig up the details and post them this evening.. When/where was it sitting a couple of towns over from you? Cheers, Tim.
The car sat behind a house outside in Ronkonkama, Long Island for years. i remember seeing it i englistown with a pretty price tag on it too. I wish i had some pics of it from when it was sitting outside.
Is this a suitable picture?
looking real sweet, nice and straight :cheers:
did he end up pushing the rusty 55 ford wagon/van thing up the back :nana:
The 55 Ford delivery may surprise you . Its not to Daytona standard I did it all myself but all the rust is gone, R/H/Drive cowl from a local sedan, new inner and outer sills,patch panels up both sides . And less than a tin of bondo to get it looking OK. Tims Dad John
Man that color is blindingly good!! :cheers:
Nice pics Tim. Looking forward to seeing some more progress shots, and catching up with you in person some time.
We arrive over there 28th Jan. The 500 will follow later in the year.
Dunk
I was talking with a friend of mine here in Alaska about mopars, long story short. His good friend had a Daytona that was sold to a guy in Aust. low and behold, this is the car. My buddy is 60, used to live in Penn area. I didn't get names straightend out who is who, but I showed him the car on line here and he was blown away at the cars resto so far, just another cool mopar story from around the world.
Quote from: bigfastjohn on December 30, 2011, 10:03:04 PM
The 55 Ford delivery may surprise you . Its not to Daytona standard I did it all myself but all the rust is gone, R/H/Drive cowl from a local sedan, new inner and outer sills,patch panels up both sides . And less than a tin of bondo to get it looking OK. Tims Dad John
g,day john
gee you have been busy, that'll look good and different when on the road,
would like to have look one day at the delivery and mostly the daytona, spoze get darren to organize another charger tour.
Not a problem any time Im here .Daytona should be going for paint in the next week or so,have no idea how long its going to be away Tim has made all those arrangements. But a painter who says he wants to do the car I would expect to take extra special care . So while Tim is not here to help with the Dodge I shall just press on with the other. John
please show us more pics sooon of this emerging beauty
any new updates to share
Ernie she goes to the paint shop next Sat morn. nothing else to tell.
Not much to report, just awaiting paint......
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cool shop :cheers: :popcrn: :popcrn:
Awesome work! I've known this car for many years (Mopar Tom long island is a friend of mine) and I have to say, it gives a tear to my eye. Excellent job to all involved!
any new updates yet
I am going to head over to the shop later this coming week, and we will see the front sheet metal with colour on it. The body will then be painted the following week I am told. Here is all I have seen at this point..
Who can answer my question in regards to what the finish of the paint on the taillight blackout/latch tray is? Hemigeno has a reference of organisol, but then I see that was not used on all Daytonas/Chargers? The finish appears to be matte black with a slight texture to it, does this mean using a matte black with a slightly lower thinners mix ratio than recommended so it comes out slightly thicker? Any experience/ideas appreciated.
Tim.
:scope: :dance: looks awesome :drool5:
I like it! :drool5:
Quote from: Tim L on February 19, 2012, 01:48:50 AM
Who can answer my question in regards to what the finish of the paint on the taillight blackout/latch tray is? Hemigeno has a reference of organisol, but then I see that was not used on all Daytonas/Chargers? The finish appears to be matte black with a slight texture to it, does this mean using a matte black with a slightly lower thinners mix ratio than recommended so it comes out slightly thicker? Any experience/ideas appreciated.
Tim.
Congrats on the progress, Tim! Looks like it's coming along nicely.
Daytona tailpanels are indeed Organisol, which is a textured matte/flat black -- at least it's that way on Hamtramck-built Chargers. St. Louis-built cars had a different paint applied than that, but for the subset of Daytonas they should have the textured stuff. As for how to apply it to achieve the right texture... Frank Badalson has a good reproduction product that reportedly mimics the right look, but half of the battle (even using his product) is laying the paint down correctly. You might try giving him a call, as he'd probably give you the benefit of his trial-and-error experiences.
Latch trays are a different story. I wouldn't advise anyone to blindly follow the example of my car's latch tray, as not all Daytonas used Organisol there... unless, of course, that's what you also found on yours before stripping off the original finish. Most used a somewhat-flattened black.
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QuoteDaytona tailpanels are indeed Organisol, which is a textured matte/flat black -- at least it's that way on Hamtramck-built Chargers. St. Louis-built cars had a different paint applied than that, but for the subset of Daytonas they should have the textured stuff. As for how to apply it to achieve the right texture... Frank Badalson has a good reproduction product that reportedly mimics the right look, but half of the battle (even using his product) is laying the paint down correctly. You might try giving him a call, as he'd probably give you the benefit of his trial-and-error experiences.
Thanks for the advice, the car is in the shop as we speak with the body being painted next week as mentioned above. We will do our best to replicate the look whilst working in the time frame we have. I still plan on heading over to the painters later this week but for now he just sent me this...
:drool5: I saw this car in person at the Mopar Nationals in Columbus, Ohio a couple years in a row, maybe '06/'07, and I remember thinking for a car that looked so rough at first glance, it really was pretty solid. It sure has come a long way since then...keep up the nice work.
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:scope: nice coat of clear on there :drool5: :drool5: :dance: :popcrn:
:2thumbs: :2thumbs: :2thumbs: coming along nicely
Swung by the painters today, the front is looking really good and the colour is amazing. I have seen photos of F6 cars for years and the colour never seems to the be the same twice which I put down to colour mismatch. In the photos taken today I can see how this is possible with it appearing different in so many shots/light and even then, I don't think I truly captured the colour it actually is.... The head light buckets have had aluminum angle placed at the rear underside to help meet the profile the body man gave the nose cone to mate up with the body and one appears to have a very fine crack appearing through the top of it due to stress. We discussed it and the painter said he's going to take it down to fiber glass and respray it but this may be something we'll have to look at down the road..... Here are some photos from today, there are another 60 or so of the painting process (so far) but we had dramas with the phones (the joys of modern technology) and I couldn't get a hold of them yet. They will appear on here in time.
Enjoy, Tim.
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NICE !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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I spoke with Tom the other day - he's keeping up on the progress also .
QuoteI spoke with Tom the other day - he's keeping up on the progress also .
CudaJames69 and anyone else who knows Tom, is he a member on here?
mopartom - not sure if he checks in often .
Do you need him ?
I'll give him a call .
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I think he went away for the weekend . Might not be able to get him til Monday .
Hi Tim saw this on the Australia mopar site feature torque back article on wingcars.They should do a story on your car :Twocents:
THE NEW TORQUEBACK
Issue 11, Dec. 2011 - March 2012
Out Now.
The Winged Warriors:
1969 Dodge Charger Daytona
1970 Plymouth Roadrunner SuperBird
Issue 11 of the 'new' Torqueback is a 32 pager covering "the winged warriors" – the Daytona and the SuperBird.
There is an essay on the history of the SuperBird and Daytona and its origins in Nascar, a summary of those that have made their way here to Australia, an illustrated explanation of aerodynamics, a reproduced article from the US magazine "Performance", a biography of Richard Petty, and another regular installment of our Full Boar cartoon strip.
There is also some word from the prez regarding All Chrysler Day and our new secretary Di Haswell writes her first secretary's report. Not to mention Buy. Sell and, Swap, an Events Calendar for the next three months, and contact details for all of our great sponsors. Support the people who support your club.
A free web version is available to download from here: http://www.mediafire.com/ ?xa2qfi9hgp7utbf
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Must feel good to see finished color on the car, looking good. :popcrn:
QuoteHi Tim saw this on the Australia mopar site feature torque back article on wingcars.They should do a story on your car Twocents
THE NEW TORQUEBACK
Issue 11, Dec. 2011 - March 2012
Out Now.
The Winged Warriors:
1969 Dodge Charger Daytona
1970 Plymouth Roadrunner SuperBird
Issue 11 of the 'new' Torqueback is a 32 pager covering "the winged warriors" – the Daytona and the SuperBird.
There is an essay on the history of the SuperBird and Daytona and its origins in Nascar, a summary of those that have made their way here to Australia, an illustrated explanation of aerodynamics, a reproduced article from the US magazine "Performance", a biography of Richard Petty, and another regular installment of our Full Boar cartoon strip.
There is also some word from the prez regarding All Chrysler Day and our new secretary Di Haswell writes her first secretary's report. Not to mention Buy. Sell and, Swap, an Events Calendar for the next three months, and contact details for all of our great sponsors. Support the people who support your club.
A free web version is available to download from here: http://www.mediafire.com/?xa2qfi9hgp7utbf
Thanks for that, hadn't come across that one before nor the hemi6pack forum, which won't let me browse without joining and wont let me join atm either..
QuoteMust feel good to see finished color on the car, looking good
It does feel good seeing it sitting here freshly shot in the boothe. It's kind of a surreal feeling, maybe more so for others that have seen the car here and there over the years.There are so many paths this Daytona could have gone down. It could have been crushed 36 years ago after the accident, but it wasn't. Hats off to Mike McGuire and Ernie P. yet again!
Plenty more photos to come..
Tim.
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Saw the car today with the body painted and the front guards hung roughly, awesome! I may be repeating myself here with words and photos but I hope you enjoy them as much as I do. Hemigeno's thread can be seen bound as a reference in one of the photos (circled in red). If your sitting home this evening, I hope this makes it a little more interesting for you.
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it's incredible how far along the car has come. that is awesome paint work.
:drool5: SWEET !!!!!!!! :cheers:
You guys are doing the old girl justice .
:coolgleamA: nice job :drool5: :2thumbs: :coolgleamA:
Just a quick question,What was the base and clear used? What a top notch job.I would hate to guess how many hours went into that one.
WOW :o
That Daytona is going to be STUNNING. congrats :cheers:
QuoteJust a quick question,What was the base and clear used? What a top notch job.I would hate to guess how many hours went into that one.
The paint that was used is called Lesonal, it's a cheaper brand of paint than what the painter usually uses but the colour match was 99% to the sample taken from the door jamb and we had already sprayed the underside/cabin with it. The painter spoke with his rep/paint store and a couple of other painters and heard good things so he was happy to use it, you can see the end result...
Three coats of base and three coats of clear, it took around 90 hours in the shop with the car having arrived in high fill putty (there was a few charity hours in there also) . The Daytona was very straight and did not need a great deal before it was shot, the body men did an exceptional job at their end. The painter also did a beautiful job and I would highly recommend both parties involved.
Thanks everyone for the words of encouragement!
Enjoy, Tim.
Lesonal is good paint. Its an Akzo-Nobel product. It is the cheaper line with Sikkens being the Flagship. We use Sikkens water bourne at My shop.
Tim, is the paint water or regular solvent base?
Incredible transformation :2thumbs: :2thumbs: :2thumbs: :2thumbs: :2thumbs:
1HotDaytona
Paint is solvent based
All I saw was the bird in one pic!!! You got a license to fly it!! :lol: That color grows on me everytime I see it!! looks great!! :2thumbs:
Traveled to Bacchus Marsh Saturday morning and picked up the car from the painters. Stopped for a late lunch about an hour from home only to find, a mate of mine had already seen the car parked while we were having lunch and left me a phone message telling me how terrible it looked! The world is to small of a place, but sometimes that's a good thing..... Rang a guy in Chalfont PA this morning who had a wanted add over on Moparts and queried him about whether he ever knew of this Daytona. He turned around and said, "yeah sure, I was only talking about that car to a buddy of mine two days ago, sat down besides a house as a wreck for a few years right?". His buddy apparently knows the owner of the car, so maybe this will end the four year long search... Some photos of the trip and a couple of progress shots from what time we had left on the weekend after a few little tweaks here and there.
Hope I'm not boring you, Tim.
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There is no posible way for a Daytona to be boring!
Even more so, Id be extra excited if someone was setting things on it. :-\
deafenantly not boring me or anyone ,with the story and pics of saving this awesum car. paint looks greater than any factory green color i pictured or remember ever seeing.awesum looking ,great save from shape it came ta ya in.
that is so pretty,think i would have had to get armored car or padded enclosed armored truck with guards to haul home? looks great and yes please bore us with lots of pics as ya guys put it back together,great stuff there.
i tryied to get a green daytona like that 20 some years ago in eugene,oregon.was missing nose and had fender damage and intake was gone. wing was on his dodge pickup and he would talk but not sell.then he moved and car disappeared,like 20 years now,no clue where?
take care,,,send pics,or post...thanks dj.oregon
I LIKE IT a LOT! Looking forward to the complete car photos! :2thumbs:
Car is awesome glad to hear you established contact wtih someone from Chalfont PA keep us updated
Wow, looks beautiful! I wish the guy ya' bought the Daytona from would have tears if he seen it now. Great progress, can't wait to see it completed and road worthy.
Looks great! I think I would have my butt puckered with the way that thing is riding home on the trailer and the little El camino truck looks like it's about to take a dump pulling the trailer! :icon_smile_big: Keep the pics a comin'
Tim, the car looks superb. Keep boring us with more shots and info :2thumbs:
Not to be a bearer of bad news , but He painted the tail panel too far. The black is supposed to stop under the chrome not the quarter extention.
Looks like 1Hotdaytona is right! :o
Quote from: dads_69 on March 18, 2012, 02:37:34 PM
Wow, looks beautiful! I wish the guy ya' bought the Daytona from would have tears if he seen it now. Great progress, can't wait to see it completed and road worthy.
Why would you wish that on Tom ???????????
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luv that color :cheers:
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Quote from: dads_69 on March 18, 2012, 02:37:34 PM
Wow, looks beautiful! I wish the guy ya' bought the Daytona from would have tears if he seen it now. Great progress, can't wait to see it completed and road worthy.
Why would you wish that on Tom ???????????
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Simple, I meant he would have tears I'm guessing seeing the car restored, not like rubbing it in the guys face and being a smartass comment. Get my point now? A friend of mine here know's the guy who owned the Daytona when it was damaged & long story, but just glad to see car almost done.
wow , looks fantastic :drool5: :drool5: :drool5: :yesnod:
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Quote from: CudaJames69 on March 18, 2012, 04:59:03 PM
Quote from: dads_69 on March 18, 2012, 02:37:34 PM
Wow, looks beautiful! I wish the guy ya' bought the Daytona from would have tears if he seen it now. Great progress, can't wait to see it completed and road worthy.
Why would you wish that on Tom ???????????
:flame:
Simple, I meant he would have tears I'm guessing seeing the car restored, not like rubbing it in the guys face and being a smartass comment. Get my point now? A friend of mine here know's the guy who owned the Daytona when it was damaged & long story, but just glad to see car almost done.
OK . :2thumbs: I am very good friends with Tom & don't take digs at him lightly :D.
maybe the word wish should have been bet :Twocents:
He is actually glad seeing the car get done right . Also makes him think about the guys that looked at it for him & told him everything needed to be replaced & these guys fixed it all .
Quote from: 1HotDaytona on March 18, 2012, 04:09:47 PM
Not to be a bearer of bad news , but He painted the tail panel too far. The black is supposed to stop under the chrome not the quarter extention.
Are you sure? I did a quick scan through some pictures I have and it seems that most have black at least to the outer edge of the trim if not all the way under the quarter extension. That doesn't mean they are correct of course but I think some are either original or high-end restorations.
Never mind, I see some close-ups now. I was looking at the bottom edge (which many times does appear to be coming from under the quarter extension) but the noticeable spot is on the top edge where the trim doesn't quite meet the extension. Here's some references:
http://www.dodgecharger.com/forum/index.php/topic,40377.msg449088.html#msg449088
http://www.dodgecharger.com/forum/index.php/topic,59818.msg670874.html#msg670874
http://www.dodgecharger.com/forum/index.php/topic,48725.msg865425.html#msg865425
http://www.dodgecharger.com/forum/index.php/topic,33799.msg880291.html#msg880291
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He is actually glad seeing the car get done right . Also makes him think about the guys that looked at it for him & told him everything needed to be replaced & these guys fixed it all .
I seen Tom drag this car all over the east coast and midwest for what seemed decades, talked with him a few times regarding either purchase or "rebuilding" it, and while yes it was restorable, and Tom had amassed quite a few parts, Tom wanted to try and maintain the car's originality, somewhat...Back in the day we restored cars like the way Tim and his crew did, we had to, parts for Chrysler were scarce, new or used, and something as limited, like a Daytona only complicated issues further,..Tim on the other hand is handicapped by the fact he's 17,000+ miles away from the US, American cars are few and far between, nevermind 69 Daytona's, plus Australia has always been starved for American cars, parts, new or used, even shipping new repro sheetmetal over is cost prohibitive,...so Aussies have adapted just like early American Craftsman,...you ain't got no spare parts!, so you learn to fix what you have!
Although Tom asked me at various times if I was interested in "restoring" the Daytona, the amount of work need to "save" the original shell, and return it back to original would have produced an ASTRONOMICAL labour bill,...far more than Tom had budgeted, so the alternative was repro/clean used sheetmetal substituted to keep the project within budget, even then still a sizable amount of $$$$$ needed to invest in a project like this, plus I'm sure as Tom can agree, as well as others, projects like this, start "snowballing" big time, dollar wise, and one soon finds themselves in the dilemma, do I dump more money into it?, or do I cut my losses and sell it?.....
I will say Tim and Crew did an AWESOME job of bringing the car back from the dead, no small task, dollar wise, or man hour wise, a ton of effort....more than I would have wanted to put into that car, even if the customer could have afforded it,..........had I bought it I would have merely "re-bodied" it, and been done with it, but the asking price was prohibitive, in that it would have only yielded a small amount of parts to dollar value invested to qualify it as a good re-body" canidate IMHO
Mike
Mike
Please keep in mind that when we bought this car on Ebay we paid considerably !!!!! less than Tom had been asking around the swap meets. Also both Occa and Craig the body guys and the painter were more than reasonable with their . rates. Hell you could nearly buy a good running car now for what was being asked for the wreck at the time. Tims Dad John
Daytona Looks great !! , keep the progress pics coming , speaking of Daytona's In Australia , i spotted a blue one being towed on Picton rd towards Wollongong NSW , a few weeks back .
K.c
QuoteDaytona Looks great !! , keep the progress pics coming , speaking of Daytona's In Australia , i spotted a blue one being towed on Picton rd towards Wollongong NSW , a few weeks back .
K.c
Definitely a Daytona? Or possibly a Superbird?
"Definitely a Daytona? Or possibly a Superbird?"
Daytona .
K.c
Quote from: DAY CLONA on March 21, 2012, 05:59:53 AM
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He is actually glad seeing the car get done right . Also makes him think about the guys that looked at it for him & told him everything needed to be replaced & these guys fixed it all .
I seen Tom drag this car all over the east coast and midwest for what seemed decades, talked with him a few times regarding either purchase or "rebuilding" it, and while yes it was restorable, and Tom had amassed quite a few parts, Tom wanted to try and maintain the car's originality, somewhat...Back in the day we restored cars like the way Tim and his crew did, we had to, parts for Chrysler were scarce, new or used, and something as limited, like a Daytona only complicated issues further,..Tim on the other hand is handicapped by the fact he's 17,000+ miles away from the US, American cars are few and far between, nevermind 69 Daytona's, plus Australia has always been starved for American cars, parts, new or used, even shipping new repro sheetmetal over is cost prohibitive,...so Aussies have adapted just like early American Craftsman,...you ain't got no spare parts!, so you learn to fix what you have!
Although Tom asked me at various times if I was interested in "restoring" the Daytona, the amount of work need to "save" the original shell, and return it back to original would have produced an ASTRONOMICAL labour bill,...far more than Tom had budgeted, so the alternative was repro/clean used sheetmetal substituted to keep the project within budget, even then still a sizable amount of $$$$$ needed to invest in a project like this, plus I'm sure as Tom can agree, as well as others, projects like this, start "snowballing" big time, dollar wise, and one soon finds themselves in the dilemma, do I dump more money into it?, or do I cut my losses and sell it?.....
I will say Tim and Crew did an AWESOME job of bringing the car back from the dead, no small task, dollar wise, or man hour wise, a ton of effort....more than I would have wanted to put into that car, even if the customer could have afforded it,..........had I bought it I would have merely "re-bodied" it, and been done with it, but the asking price was prohibitive, in that it would have only yielded a small amount of parts to dollar value invested to qualify it as a good re-body" canidate IMHO
Mike
Mike
I'm just going by what Tom & I spoke about . I don't know who he spoke with , or prices .
Someone somewhere told it couldn't be saved & everything had to be replaced . :shruggy:
It certainly was not a dig at you guys . The cars you put out are phenominal . :2thumbs: :drool5:
No ofence taken I just wanted to keep things in perspective the car probably now owes us about what we could buy a running one for ,but we have saved a classic and know exactly what we have. Were not going to have bondo falling out and rust beneath and it is a great experiance for Tim
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Quote from: DAY CLONA on March 21, 2012, 05:59:53 AM
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He is actually glad seeing the car get done right . Also makes him think about the guys that looked at it for him & told him everything needed to be replaced & these guys fixed it all .
I seen Tom drag this car all over the east coast and midwest for what seemed decades, talked with him a few times regarding either purchase or "rebuilding" it, and while yes it was restorable, and Tom had amassed quite a few parts, Tom wanted to try and maintain the car's originality, somewhat...Back in the day we restored cars like the way Tim and his crew did, we had to, parts for Chrysler were scarce, new or used, and something as limited, like a Daytona only complicated issues further,..Tim on the other hand is handicapped by the fact he's 17,000+ miles away from the US, American cars are few and far between, nevermind 69 Daytona's, plus Australia has always been starved for American cars, parts, new or used, even shipping new repro sheetmetal over is cost prohibitive,...so Aussies have adapted just like early American Craftsman,...you ain't got no spare parts!, so you learn to fix what you have!
Although Tom asked me at various times if I was interested in "restoring" the Daytona, the amount of work need to "save" the original shell, and return it back to original would have produced an ASTRONOMICAL labour bill,...far more than Tom had budgeted, so the alternative was repro/clean used sheetmetal substituted to keep the project within budget, even then still a sizable amount of $$$$$ needed to invest in a project like this, plus I'm sure as Tom can agree, as well as others, projects like this, start "snowballing" big time, dollar wise, and one soon finds themselves in the dilemma, do I dump more money into it?, or do I cut my losses and sell it?.....
I will say Tim and Crew did an AWESOME job of bringing the car back from the dead, no small task, dollar wise, or man hour wise, a ton of effort....more than I would have wanted to put into that car, even if the customer could have afforded it,..........had I bought it I would have merely "re-bodied" it, and been done with it, but the asking price was prohibitive, in that it would have only yielded a small amount of parts to dollar value invested to qualify it as a good re-body" canidate IMHO
Mike
Mike
I'm just going by what Tom & I spoke about . I don't know who he spoke with , or prices .
Someone somewhere told it couldn't be saved & everything had to be replaced . :shruggy:
It certainly was not a dig at you guys . The cars you put out are phenominal . :2thumbs: :drool5:
Oh I know you implied nothing towards anyone, :cheers: I know Tom talked to quite a few guys about restoring that car, as it was indeed a "project", and it was always a discussion piece among the wingcar guys as to how and if it was restorable, and how much to try and save....those Aussie guys were really determined though thru out the restoration process :2thumbs:
Mike
Five days of assembly and this is where we're at: We've got an older Gear Vendors O/D unit which is somewhat larger in the housing than Troy's one was, slight massaging of the tunnel and a modified cross member and now it sits down around 3/4" lower than originally and fitting snug. The pan on the OD does hang down a long way (see photo) but we'll address that shortly. Dash is pretty much assembled just awaiting installation, radio will be in but not connected.. The eyebrow? trims around the backside are now sporting green underneath them so, no more sleepless nights :nana:
The headliner has been been installed by a member on here, dodgey68, so hats off to him he has a trim business in Bendigo central Victoria, Dantrim. He does some very nice work he also made us a parcel shelf matt which looks superb. Thanks for taking the time to come and do that!
Sunday was the local swap meet so we had steady roll of visitors throughout the day, was good to catch up. Jamie and Darrin the two blown 68 brothers (not in a weird way) came by Sunday to check on progress, only Jamie had his charger there so I snapped up a couple of photos of that. A friend has just had a 72 Cuda land which has been a long time coming so congrats to him on that.
There's more, but I'm in a hurry, enjoy.
Tim.
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Awesome love the kangaroo
Gawgeous :2thumbs:
Did a double take on the roo ... :o
Is that a pet? ( noticed a collar) ... :shruggy:
Yeah the roo is a pet we've had her for about 12 years, there was two originally, but one was killed by a dog early on. She swings by the house normally of an evening for a little snack. Before anyone asks, having a pet roo is about as common as having a 69 Daytona parked in your shed.
Tim
Quote from: Tim L on April 02, 2012, 04:06:12 PM
Yeah the roo is a pet we've had her for about 12 years, there was two originally, but one was killed by a dog early on. She swings by the house normally of an evening for a little snack. Before anyone asks, having a pet roo is about as common as having a 69 Daytona parked in your shed.
Tim
:smilielol: :smilielol: :smilielol: :smilielol: i figured everyone had one :icon_smile_big:
Quote from: moparstuart on April 02, 2012, 04:11:14 PM
Quote from: Tim L on April 02, 2012, 04:06:12 PM
Yeah the roo is a pet we've had her for about 12 years, there was two originally, but one was killed by a dog early on. She swings by the house normally of an evening for a little snack. Before anyone asks, having a pet roo is about as common as having a 69 Daytona parked in your shed.
Tim
:smilielol: :smilielol: :smilielol: :smilielol: i figured everyone had one :icon_smile_big:
Thats funny sheit right there!
The Daytona is looking great!! :2thumbs:
Quote from: Just 6T9 CHGR on April 02, 2012, 04:31:27 PM
Quote from: moparstuart on April 02, 2012, 04:11:14 PM
Quote from: Tim L on April 02, 2012, 04:06:12 PM
Yeah the roo is a pet we've had her for about 12 years, there was two originally, but one was killed by a dog early on. She swings by the house normally of an evening for a little snack. Before anyone asks, having a pet roo is about as common as having a 69 Daytona parked in your shed.
Tim
:smilielol: :smilielol: :smilielol: :smilielol: i figured everyone had one :icon_smile_big:
Thats funny sheit right there!
You'd be surprised what people think..
I think Indy likes little dancing dogs, but that's beside the point ... :smilielol: :icon_smile_big:
:coolgleamA: looking good !! :drool5:
thank you tim and fast john, it was a pleasure, i enjoy calling in over there
if ya need any other help dont hesitate to ask,
Quote from: dodgey68 on April 04, 2012, 03:15:49 AM
thank you tim and fast john, it was a pleasure, i enjoy calling in over there
if ya need any other help dont hesitate to ask,
I think I speak for me and the old man, welcome anytime mate!
Thanks again.
OK - two things... that Kangaroo is awesome.
Also - give me the info on that 68 Charger's rear wheels. I spy some tall / wide tires on the rear while still using the 14" wheel covers. :shruggy:
daytona is coming along great,looks awesome,but are those roo tracks on the new head liner?? hahahah cute roo too. wing cars rule and stir the mind ,,thanks for saving that ride.dj up ,,above ????? opp of down under?? west coast? :popcrn: :drool5: :2thumbs:
Some new, some old. It's never to late to introduce the two men who are responsible for breathing new life into the body of this once again green machine. Occa (glasses) and Craig (flannel shirt) are the men seen in these photos which were taken a while back. I didn't manage to capture them in action but got these off dad tonight...
The "Daytona" bumble bee stripe was fitted Monday and looks fantastic, this was done by Ryan Ford of 'Chopped' magazine. You can check him out doing his thing here:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jPJRTb5UPT4 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jPJRTb5UPT4)
The magazine here:
www.chopped.com.au (http://www.chopped.com.au)
A while back a Daytona fender popped up on ebay courtesy of Mr Norms, it was aquired for around $200 and arrived recently. While rough, it is what it is....
Not a great deal to report but, a little more will happen this weekend.
Tim.
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beautiful work going on there gentlemen
Thankyou Ernie and everyone else who has complimented the job it appreciated by all involved :cheers:
First of all thanks for the compliments DJcarguy, Earnie etc :cheers:
Trying to find the owner of the Daytona, it appears I have exhausted yet another avenue... I spoke with Don Klumpp this morning who lived nearby the Daytona (1976-1979) and he recalls the crashed Daytona sitting besides a house for about 3 years. He knows a few people who remember the car but no one seems to know who owned it. It was on the left hand side of the 152 as you headed north out of Chalfont PA, on the outskirts of the township. I'm really stumped as where to go from now.. Perhaps a long term/retired Police officer? Any ideas?
Tim.
Have you tried searching for a Police Report either Local PD, County Sheriff, State Police all should have it in an archive some where. You have done a true Magic Trick bringing this Daytona back to life! :2thumbs:
I tried the PA newspapers no luck
any new updates on this beautiful car
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i need my fix=any updates yet
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Ernie fear not it will happen soon .Tim and I His dad only work on this car as a team. If he is not there I mess with other projects. His lady is soon to go to Denmark on a scholership and then he and I will make lots of progress.
Earnie, not a single thing to report ::)!! There are a couple of things in the way atm, but come mid July that will all change. The car will be back on track and assembly will be happening again at a far greater rate than the six days we have spent since she came home in March. On another note, we did have the pleasure of meeting another fellow wing car owner Rick, who has the petty blue Superbird (on dodgecharger.com forum) in South Australia. Rick was very interested to check out the Dodge and compare the aero hardware on it in comparison to what he had at home. He had made the trek over to Victoria along with his friend who had brought over a very nice, 67' Cuda formula S to cruise in for the show on the weekend. I hope they enjoyed their stay and the show.
Tim.
Beat me too it Johnny!!
ok i am jonsin for pics =any new pics of this sweet restoration
It all begins again this weekend... :2thumbs:
Quote from: Tim L on July 16, 2012, 03:51:57 PM
It all begins again this weekend... :2thumbs:
any updates :popcrn: :popcrn:
Brake lines, fuel lines, rear window winder assemblies, had to make up and put some metal plates under where the wing braces meet the trunk floor as there was a gap and we didn't want to put to much tension on the tops of the quarter. Few other odds and ends but dad was away the other weekend and I've been working the last couple so... next weekend is the next scheduled progress date.
:cheers:
:o hadn't been on here for over a year i think. nice one tim and john! :2thumbs:
hopefully ill see it in chrysler action mag soon?
cover and poster feature i hope, as its worth it (unless theres a 4 door pacer more deserving? LOL)
anyhow if you have it @ COTM 2013 reckon i might come 1700km just to see it up close :scratchchin:
QuoteShocked hadn't been on here for over a year i think. nice one tim and john! 2thumbs
hopefully ill see it in chrysler action mag soon?
cover and poster feature i hope, as its worth it (unless theres a 4 door pacer more deserving? LOL)
anyhow if you have it @ COTM 2013 reckon i might come 1700km just to see it up close scratchchin
L.M.A, It's sure coming along it's just getting together to work on it that's all. I'm sure when done somebody somewhere will take an interest in it and it'll turn up in one publication or another.
Mopars on the Murray next year.. should be there, but we'll wait and see. I don't know where your located but we have discussed the possibility of in time, driving it to Mopar Sunday! That's about 1,600kms or 990 miles. Maybe we could start a charity to subsidise the fuels costs!
Thanks for looking, Tim.
Sweet. Well im in brissy so mopar sunday would be great :-)
:popcrn: :popcrn: :popcrn: any updates ????????
Just for you Earnie :2thumbs:
Got the rear side windows in and adjusted them as much as is possible atm, the original glass is in excellent condition with the exception of one very small mark on the passengers side.
Painted the door blackouts as close to factory as I could get them. It was a pretty cold weekend so the epoxy didn't dry in time which killed off the door assembly plans.
Nose cone assembly commenced, that was slow and trying to sort through all the parts to find what you need makes you wish you were a little better organised but even still, I suspect the assembly and fitment will be truckloads of fun and colourful language.
We fabricated the skid plate to protect the overdrive and after a trial fit and a couple of slight mods, it appears to sit pretty snug. The overdrive was hanging down a long way and had the potential to become a major issue, hopefully this will prevent that......
The auto electrician has been organised and will appear once he returns from his trip too the USA in a month or so.
Any words of advice in regards to nose cone assembly would be greatly appreciated!
Enjoy, Tim.
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Saw this Mustang at a yard in town on Saturday, I felt pretty bad for the poor guy who owned it. Apparently, it was 1 of 200 (don't quote me on that) that Ford brought to Australia and sold new off showroom floors in 1966, which is news to me.
Looking at this photo sure makes you think, doesn't it......
Quote from: Tim L on August 20, 2012, 06:30:56 AM
We fabricated the skid plate to protect the overdrive and after a trial fit and a couple of slight mods, it appears to sit pretty snug. The overdrive was hanging down a long way and had the potential to become a major issue, hopefully this will prevent that......
:2thumbs: I love the Overdrive in my Daytona..........
Quote from: Tim L on August 20, 2012, 06:43:48 AM
Saw this Mustang at a yard in town on Saturday, I felt pretty bad for the poor guy who owned it. Apparently, it was 1 of 200 (don't quote me on that) that Ford brought to Australia and sold new off showroom floors in 1966, which is news to me.
Looking at this photo sure makes you think, doesn't it......
what a shame. The chap that works with me his fathers job was to convert them to right hook for Ford Australia.
Quote:2thumbs: I love the Overdrive in my Daytona..........
Troy, yours is a later model I believe. What's the ground clearance like?
Looks great Tim! :drool5:
One thing though, and I could be wrong since its been a few years since I did my car, but looking at this picture I think you needed to put the stainless trim on the top edge of the quarterpanel before you put the window fuzzies on... :shruggy:
thanks for the update, hope im not being a pain in the a$$, i just enjoy seeing this phoenix arise again
Quotethanks for the update, hope im not being a pain in the a$$, i just enjoy seeing this phoenix arise again
All good mate :cheers:
It is great seeing the enthusiasm for the resurrection, I find myself looking through the photos of this thing (about 1600 of them to date) time and time again... Did you know of the car prior to it being on here?
Tim
It's a little surprising to me that Ford would only send 200 Mustangs to Australia in 1966.
Ghoste that was the only year we got any Mustangs well maybe 5 or so 69s. We only got A body mopars and no big blocks, a small block V8 was always top of the line here whether it was Ford,Mopar or GM (Holden) Of course lots of people like US muscle cars but they have to be privately imported. Remember we drive on the opposite LHS of the road(dont ask me why apparently about 1/3 0f the world does it) This of course makes it far more difficult for the motor companies to comply with OUR BULLS--T.
The rhd compliance I understand for the most part but in a case of a crazy success story like the 66 Mustang you have to almost wonder why they didn't tool a plant up in Australia and take the risk knocking out rhd drive ones.
:2thumbs: :yesnod: , i am liking this
Ford here was busy building its Ford Falcon which came in 4 D sedan. wagon and Ute (Ranchero) in 66 /67 they brought out the "Mustang Bred Falcon " First year with a 289 windsor option and a GT Sed which could be bought with a Toploader 4 Speed. GMH brought out a MONARO Coupe which was an aussi only body with a 327/saginor option . A guy just took one to Bonneville this year if you want to see what they look like. Pickles/pale Yellow
:popcrn: :popcrn: any updates, thanks
Earnie we have been working but no6t a lot to show. Putting the doors back together takes a lot of time but dont show much, like putting fuel lines and clips in,heater hoses and stuff. Tim will post some photos when progress is a bit more obvious. Had the guy from Mad Fabricators here today so you may see the car on there if you watch the show. Cheers
hafta ask hows it going, that car is amazing, keep up the good work
QuoteLooks great Tim! :drool5:
One thing though, and I could be wrong since its been a few years since I did my car, but looking at this picture I think you needed to put the stainless trim on the top edge of the quarterpanel before you put the window fuzzies on... :shruggy:
richRTSE, you were spot on! Guess the enthusiasm got the better of us, trying to keep moving forward constantly does have its fallbacks..
The body man finished what he had left of the rear bumper and now it is now away at the chrome platers.
The auto electrician is still MIA.
Working the next couple of weekends but should see some more progress after that.
One thing I do have to ask about is, the window stoppers that are at the bottom of the door. On the two doors we have one appears to have holes for the stopper and one doesn't? The stopper we installed appears to be miles short of stopping the glass adequately? I have included photos in case I'm not explaining myself correctly.
Spent last Sunday at the Chryslers at the Carribean Gardens show, first time I've ever been, few cool cars there which I hadn't seen before some had disappeared before our car clubs photographer arrived.
You can check them out here http://www.60samcc.com/CRCA12/index.html (http://www.60samcc.com/CRCA12/index.html)
More to report soon..
The nose was assembled this weekend, very satisfying to see it all together and looking the part. This process would have been far more drawn out and painful had it not been for the help of a friend Andre :cheers: When doing our body work, the guys had placed some aluminum angle across the inner top edge of the headlight doors to straighten them. These had to be ground off due to clearance issues we were having with the headlight doors hitting the cone as the doors opened. Removing the aluminum angle resulted in the doors having quite a curve along the upper edge but probably being exactly how they were from Creative; forty odd years ago.
Loosing the transmission extension housing and replacing it with the GV overdrive unit presented us with the problem of no longer having a point to connect the shifter linkage to. This was overcome by making a bracket which attaches to the bolts at the rear of the sump. The skid plate has been powder coated and is on the car looking good.
The console was assembled, but again needs a few more bits and pieces added/played with until it's ready to go on the car.
It's all progress!
Tim.
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:coolgleamA: looks good :drool5:
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Lot of great work going on there Tim! Thanks for the update WITH pictures!
MJ
please keep us updated on this beauty, any new updates yet
g'day
I breifed over the pics and wow, top work :2thumbs:
Edit;
just read the entire thread and wow, hope you find out about those missing years
Think you'll still make Mopars on the Murry in March?
Aussie Charger, I'm not sure about Mopars on the Murray, it's not looking promising. Getting together to work on the car is what's holding up progress at the moment and I'm the guilty one as I just have to much on atm. I have given up on finding the cars history for now, I have explored every avenue I can think of and I'm damn close, but that isn't close enough... There is a guy who advertises a Mopar resto shop in Doylestown PA who I did email but never heard anything back maybe I'll try and ring him sometime? The car is in central Victoria near Bendigo, where abouts are you ?
The only thing that has really happened lately apart from getting the re chromed bumper back (which looks great apparently) was dad received a phone call from a gentleman he was doing some work for and in their discussion when he said he'd been to our town once before (interstate) when asked the reason the answer was, "to buy a 426 hemi". Now dad had told me about a guy with a 426 in town since I was a kid, when dad asked about the engine the guy said he kept it down in the city at a friends place. The guy had passed away and dad never knew what happened to the engine.
The story goes; when the guy was sick a friend of his offered the engine to this gentleman who he knew and they came to some agreement. When he arrived to collect the engine he found it was hidden in the floor of his shed!
So when asked what the 426 was now in the gentleman replied, a Dodge Daytona! The Daytona was originally a charger 500 with a nose and wing etc here are the pictures and info received in an email after the phone conversation..
Cheers, Tim.
Photos of my Daytona. Pretty isnt it. 585HP at the tyres. 747 dana60 everything is brand new, I love it!
Looks pretty cool :coolgleamA: :2thumbs:
im in sydney, I went to mopars on the murry few years ago, saw a dayclona, planning to go in march with a camera this time, though every year i go to the all chrylser car show at fairfield showgrounds around october and window shop
hemi powered daytona.... do want... (15k to buy a brand new 426 hemi crate motor, + 650 in shipping, I will continue saving)
trumpets/ ram tubes/ velocity stacks are awesome.... my daily driver only has 6 :(
Quote from: Tim L on December 11, 2012, 03:18:03 AM
Photos of my Daytona. Pretty isnt it. 585HP at the tyres. 747 dana60 everything is brand new, I love it!
:coolgleamA: awesome looking machine :drool5: , looks old school , but i spy EFI , clever stuff :popcrn:
any new info on this sweet car
Quote from: Tim L on December 11, 2012, 03:18:03 AM
Photos of my Daytona. Pretty isnt it. 585HP at the tyres. 747 dana60 everything is brand new, I love it!
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I've been away for the last four weeks and just got engaged, with that in mind rest assure the car will be ready for when the big day comes around. At the moment my parents are selling their house and what spare time is available, is going into preparing for the move / getting the place they just bought ready. This project may be put on hold for some time :brickwall: we'll have to wait and see how things pan out over then next few months with the sale of the house etc.
Tim
That Daytona looks SWEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEET! :2thumbs: :drool5: :drool5: :drool5:
Congrats!
Why move with that great shop ?????WHAT BOUT ROO?????? Only good reason ta move is bigger shop,,but if one of those female types are around it is alway more about the house....
sure hope it goes good and work on that awsum Daytona resumes ,love ta see finish pics..all da best.DJ
Thanks for the kind words, the roo will be shifting with them (not sure how that will go). New shop is not as big but the layout is very different and it will work quite well with a little modifying.
I wouldn't call this an update, but did find some time over the weekend to polish and put on the the magnums. Also hung the rear bumper although we're waiting on the bumper guards to finish that.
Quote from: Aussie_Charger on December 11, 2012, 04:35:18 AM
trumpets/ ram tubes/ velocity stacks are awesome.... my daily driver only has 6 :(
E36/E46 M?
that green is really cool :2thumbs: :2thumbs:
I love that green color as well, I have thought about painting my Daytona that electric pearl green color that is on those newer Camaros, looks really good.
:drool5: :popcrn:
Quote from: Indygenerallee on January 21, 2013, 07:04:05 PM
I love that green color as well, I have thought about painting my Daytona that electric pearl green color that is on those newer Camaros, looks really good.
sorry for the thread jack but do you have an example of that green? curious if its the same as aussie GM colour 'poison ivy'. i used it on my 64 valiant :)
(http://i64.photobucket.com/albums/h166/loudmouthaussie/1964%20Valiant%20AP5/2014sale9.jpg)
cant wait to see this daytona finished at a show :0)
synergy green
Quotesorry for the thread jack but do you have an example of that green? curious if its the same as aussie GM colour 'poison ivy'. i used it on my 64 valiant
Loudmouthaussie, the paint was matched from a door jamb and is Lesonal which is an Akzo Nobel product. It's certainly not the same as poison ivy though, that's about all I can tell you.... :scratchchin:
Lookin' good!! :drool5:
Whats the 'roo's name?
Kanga ? :smilielol: :D
looking awesome :drool5: :drool5: :drool5: :popcrn:
A roo in a Daytona now that would have to be a first. :2thumbs:
it looks good but please take the Ford-wheels off.
No 15" Magnums on Mopars, please
Carsten
magnums look great ..leave em on :2thumbs:
Quoteit looks good but please take the Ford-wheels off.
No 15" Magnums on Mopars, please
Carsten
Sorry my friend but the magnums are staying... Ordered the Glen Ray 26" 054 today, date coded for May the 15th. We went with the recommendation of a 3 row they said a 4 would have restricted the air flow to much.
This may be a little off the topic but I thought it was worth mentioning none the less. I received an email late last year which told the story of a genuine 69 Hemi Road Runner which is still down under and fully restored. It was a little neglected in the early 90's, the car used to store a lawn mower on the hood and the interior was was used as a rubbish bin. Littered with dog food cans and beer bottles you can see in the photos the wheel wells sitting loose in the trunk after it was tubbed to go racing and also a replacement quarter hanging at rear. The other photos are of a friends 70 Challenger he picked up at the time these photos were taken and some photos of a Superbird that once lived down here but is now back in the USA.
Tim.
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Hey Timmmy is that a ford green to match the wheels maybe....
Tim.. Wow, the car looks awesome !!!! Do you plan on pulling that rear bumper off again, the guards aren't on... ???
I can honestly say, I have NEVER seen a 'Roo in a Daytona. I have to show my daughter this one, she'll love it.. :2thumbs:
Also, I noticed the Superbird with "Left hand Drive" on it. Is that a mandatory thing over there?
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The left hand drive signs are no longer mandatory. Cars over 30 years can have full registration if lhd now. All states i believe. Think its been in place for around 10 years or more.
I have a copy of a pic of the daytona upside down after the flood on my wall
Quote from: chargerman69 on May 19, 2013, 05:17:39 PM
I have a copy of a pic of the daytona upside down after the flood on my wall
I thought it was decided in earlier thread/s that this was not the flood car. :shruggy:
Was it decided
QuoteHey Timmmy is that a ford green to match the wheels maybe....
Darryn Smith..... I thought this place was respectable, who let you in??
QuoteTim.. Wow, the car looks awesome !!!! Do you plan on pulling that rear bumper off again, the guards aren't on... Huh
I can honestly say, I have NEVER seen a 'Roo in a Daytona. I have to show my daughter this one, she'll love it.. 2thumbs
Also, I noticed the Superbird with "Left hand Drive" on it. Is that a mandatory thing over there?
Troy, the rear bumper was hung there to get it out of the way and yeah we know about the guards, they're on order. Don't count on seeing another roo in this Daytona unless, god help us, one drops in while cruising like your deer do from time to time...
QuoteWas it decided
Chargerman69, the upside down car in the flood photo is not this car. This car has a Dana and somebody was kind enough to enhance the photo to show a 8 3/4 housing. The upside down car in the photo was also in the Midwest where as this car spent it's life around Chalfont, PA. They were both on their roofs at some stage though.
Cheers, Tim.
:popcrn: Looking very nice.
BTW, Please do not put it on its roof again... :2thumbs:
The green Bird was Steve Fisher's car from the mid to late 1980's. I am not sure what happened to him. Steve was very gung-ho for a number of years.
(http://www.dodgecharger.com/forum/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=44092.0;attach=194908;image)
We'll do our best not to turn her upside down again!
Steve Fisher lives in the US, he took one superbird with him and sold the other to someone over there.
Tim
Steve's green bird was one number (179714) above mine (179713). He is one of the good guys. Rick. :2thumbs: :cheers:
any new updates on this beutiful resto
Quote from: talkiemopar on May 21, 2013, 07:08:01 PM
Steve's green bird was one number (179714) above mine (179713). He is one of the good guys. Rick. :2thumbs: :cheers:
:2thumbs: :2thumbs: :2thumbs: man i miss you
Stuart, The Ann Arbor meet was good, but would have been better with you there. :popcrn: :cheers: Rick.
Quote from: talkiemopar on June 24, 2013, 01:57:51 PM
Stuart, The Ann Arbor meet was good, but would have been better with you there. :popcrn: :cheers: Rick.
car is still part hopefully minnesota next year , I know i cant afford to take the car to talledga next year but maybe i can hitch a ride with wayne or someone at least .
Auto elect has been through car but otherwise she is just sitting with life getting in the way atm, hopefully time will allow for me to get up there mid next month as we are getting pretty close now. Few bits and pieces have come in from the states recently and hopefully the Glen-ray 26" 054 is amongst them, I just have to get an afternoon off work to go and collect them from the shipping agent.....
Stay tuned, Tim.
WHAT ya say stay tuned??? Then 2 months of nothing Iam going thru withdrawl here,haha.. its crewall an unuseable punishmint,,get us hooked on the good stuff,the top drug for a mopar junky,the saving an assembly of the wing car best hi a DAYTONA....
then months of cold turkey,haha.. well just looking for a mopar fix... hope to get one soon....lol; DJ :drool5:
Been a while since I have posted anything and it's been a while since anything has happened. Had a few issues within the family which grounded the Daytona. I have been focusing on my Cuda in the meantime but things have now moved on and the Daytona is going ahead once again.
Last time we were waiting on the auto elec who has since been and gone. He went through and checked the original loom made a few adjustments like the addition of a headlight relay and was happy all in all.
The Glen Ray 054 radiator came in and is an absolute master piece, he really does a nice job.
The original Daytona rear glass was given a good clean up, between a razor blade, clay block, some Meguiars Ultimate Compound (cutter) and wax it came up really good with the exception of a few deep little scratches. It was installed this weekend under the supervision of a friend with quite a bit of experience. The windshield would have been in also but when I went to pick it up on Friday it was no longer available.
The nose cone saw the final few adjustments and is now sitting there ready to be hung.
We started and ran the car today for 5 minutes or so, it was the first time she had been started. She is still on stands until the few minor under body tasks are finished. The tail shaft is not in as it needs to be shortened due to the GV overdrive.
Our body guy is away at the moment but will come and assist us in the hanging of the front sheet metal around middle of this month so hopefully next update we'll be looking at a car that is 99% complete and drivable, that is, until we start on the gremlins!
I was chauffeured to work on the Daytona by my mate in his new 6-speed Challenger SRT, pretty cool car which likes to move for the size of it. The new Challengers seem to be a bit of an anomaly down here as I've only seen one or two others on the road. A very good job by the gentleman who did the left to right hand drive conversion...
Cheers, Tim.
Its looking good, colours on your buddys challenger are sweat, i wood take a right hand one here in canada
Glad to hear an update, and wow, that right hand challenger is a trip! :cheers:
Still progressing.
Anybody have two decent sets of these door top trim clips (one for each side) that they would like to part ways with?
YOUR GUYS DAYTONA IS LOOKING GREAT. ANY MORE PIXS FULL CAR MAYBEE,THANKS DJ--- SORRY CAPS FORGOT IT WAS ON sorry-- more pix will get the daytona -mopar crowd fired up again AWsum color an car,,DJ :2thumbs: :2thumbs: :popcrn: :popcrn: :popcrn: :drool5: :drool5: :drool5: :cheers: :cheers:
Dj, she's going in for an exhaust on the 24th. Windshield should have come in by then and have been installed. Then we'll be hanging the front sheet metal and we'll see some complete photos after a good wash!
Cheers, Tim.
beautiful work there guys
Off she goes for an exhaust
The Daytona is finally back together after leading a very interesting life for the last 38 years! :cheers:
-Crashed in 1976
-Sat beside a house in Chalfont PA until 1979
-Bought by Mike Meguire and Ernie Palanches (Forgive me if the spelling's incorrect) and traded one week later as part of a deal for a Superbird with Dave Patik
-Stored in a barn in Iowa by Dave Patik from 1979 - 1994
-Sold on Dave Patiks behalf through Galen Govier 1994
-Purchased by Tom P in 1994
-Seen at many Mopar events collecting parts/for sale throughout the years until 2008
-Purchased and Shipped to Australia 2008
This car would not be what it is today if it were not for Occa Tingay and Craig who showed their true talent and craftsmanship resurrecting the body, thank you.
Thank you to Andre Clemann who brought a lot to the table and made this project happen far quicker than it would have, lets hope that Gear Vendors unit works!!
First bath in a looong time...
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Last but far from least, thank you to Australia's fastest dad, for giving us the privilege of helping bring your amazing car back to life.
Tim.
very nice work there gents, thanks for the pm tim
enjoy it !
Carsten
Looks superb, well done to you Tim and all involved!
fantastic job Guys !! Daytona looks awesome !! certainly a car with some history !! :coolgleamA: best of all a lot of it is documented :yesnod:
great stuff :cheers: :drool5: :popcrn:
Tim L if your on I found in the Pa newspaper archives traffic accidents 69-80 with telephone poles involved .Posted them on face book for Lucy White to see.To see if they match up with the 69 daytona damages details
Congratulations Tim, and well done to everyone else involved. Amazing work.
So, just in time for Chrysler's on the Murray. Any chance of making an appearance???
I'd love to see it in the flesh one day.
TPR
Very, very nice. Enjoy! :2thumbs:
Looks great - One of my most fave colors too! Enjoy the heck out of it! :2thumbs:
The car came out stunning! Congrats to all involved :cheers:
pretty please with sugar on top; bring it to mopar sunday in QLD this year :) :2thumbs: :coolgleamA:
QuoteCongratulations Tim, and well done to everyone else involved. Amazing work.
So, just in time for Chrysler's on the Murray. Any chance of making an appearance???
I'd love to see it in the flesh one day.
TPR
Might just see you there....
Well done Tim and crew, car looks great. :cheers:
Tim,
Thanks for saving this Daytona! It had to go half way around the world to be saved!
I looked at it for a long time at the Mopar Nationals in the swap meet one year and was
trying to decide what would need to be done in order to save it? Glad you did it!
MJ
HI Tim, It was nice to meet you and your father at Chryslers on The Murray, very impressive car. Its been a long time since I have seen a car restored to that standard, well done. :cheers: Makes my 70 RT look ordinary :icon_smile_big: Hopefully see you there next year.
Max.
Thanks everyone for the comments :cheers:, I believe the car ended up coming to the right home...
This weekend gone, the Daytona made the first trip under it's own power in a looong time. We traveled from central Victoria to Chryslers on the Murray and did over 1000kms (600 miles) without any issues. The GV overdrive made a big difference to the highway driving. People were good with the car and it turned a lot of heads even in the town. Was nice to meet and talk with all the people, I don't think I've ever talked so much in my life :o
Good weekend, thanks to the boys that convoyed back to Melbourne with me in the rain!
Tim.
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Great photos Tim!
Awesome Tim !!!! But man, you sure are close to that wall !!!!! :eek2:
What a great job you did saving this daytona congrats :2thumbs: :2thumbs: :2thumbs:.Hopefully we can get more of its back history
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awesome job !! :drool5: :dance: :dance: :drool5: :drool5: :drool5: :2thumbs:
Outstanding job !!
What glass did you use for this car , repro ?
:cheers: :cheers: :cheers:
Wonderful work!
Quote from: hemi68charger on March 18, 2014, 08:06:12 AM
Awesome Tim !!!! But man, you sure are close to that wall !!!!! :eek2:
I assume your talking about the photo next to the stairs. I had someone watching with both those parks, remember, the wall won't open its doors into me!
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Outstanding job !!
What glass did you use for this car , repro ?
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Glass is all the original glass from that car except the windshield, which was never with the car.
Congratulations, I saw the car at Chryslers on the Murray last weekend,you have done an unbelievable job.
These cars look even better when you see them driving, loved it
Bumped into you a few times over the weekend, was nice chatting to you
:cheers: :popcrn: :drool5: :2thumbs:
Yeah great show. Your Daytona was definitely a highlight. [Yours and the Q5 '69 owned by another board member]
Didn't run into you though, maybe next time.
TPR
looked sweet, all that hard word work paid off,,
good job Tim and John
Oh and great to have met you in person, put a face to the name
MAY HAVE TOOK OVER 30 SOME YRS AN SHIP DOWN UNDER, BUT THE RIGHT OWNERS WITH THE RIGHT VISION AN FOLLOW THRU FINAL GOT AN SAVED THIS POOR WRECK BACK TO A AWSUM SHOW AN GO MASTER PIECE..
A FEW BIG :cheers: :cheers: AND :2thumbs: :2thumbs: TO YOU AN YOUR DAD FOR SAVING THIS PRETTY
DAYTONA... MAN IT LOOKS GREAT AN GREAT TO SEE IT IS BEING DRIVEN AN ENJOYED,, MY HATS OF TO YOU GUY FOR YOUR VISION AN DRIVE AN GETTING THE RIGHT PEOPLE INVOLVED TO SAVE SO MUCH OF THE BODY PANALS AN BRING LIFE BACK TO THIS CAR.. HAVE REALLY GROWN TO LOVE THIS COLOR,WAS NOT HI ON MY LIST BEFORE,,NOW LOVE IT.. ALL MY BEST AN THANKS FOR SHARING AN INSPIRING OTHER TO MAYBEE SAVE SOME MORE OLD MOPARS... LOOKS AWESUM,,ENJOY IT..DJ WEST COAST WAS A GREEN LIKE THAT ONE HERE,FEW WEEKS AGO I LEARNED IT SOLD TO CALIFORNIA,IT NEED NOSE AN FENDERS FIXED SAT FOR YRS..
:cheers: :cheers: :cheers: :popcrn: :popcrn: :popcrn: :drool5: :drool5: :drool5: :2thumbs: :2thumbs:
Beautiful car! Congrats on how it turned out. :2thumbs:
Now were working on its back story hopefully back in the day pictures and paperwork might be there when we find the original owner.And what happened to it originally.
Just found and just finished reading this epic saga! I too saw the car at COTM and wished I'd seen this thread before!! Saw the beast parked out the front of Hogsbreath on the Friday night and of course at the show too. It looks amazing, was a highlight of the show as you don't see any of them about, much like that awesome A12 Superbee that was there also....oh hang on, that was me! ;)
Pity you're so far away but will catch you at COTM 2015 for spotlight on US Muscle?
Awesome! :2thumbs:
Awesome to see this in the flesh Tim and great to meet you, top weekend at COTM! Our convoy home was a pretty epic selection of Mopar's finest, bit of a flip out seeing this in the rear view mirror alongside a VJ Charger down the freeway.
Great Story and Great Work , good to see it driving and being enjoyed once again . :2thumbs:
Quote from: A12 Superbee on March 23, 2014, 06:58:18 PM
Just found and just finished reading this epic saga! I too saw the car at COTM and wished I'd seen this thread before!! Saw the beast parked out the front of Hogsbreath on the Friday night and of course at the show too. It looks amazing, was a highlight of the show as you don't see any of them about, much like that awesome A12 Superbee that was there also....oh hang on, that was me! ;)
Pity you're so far away but will catch you at COTM 2015 for spotlight on US Muscle?
Hey Craig how did you go on the way home, did you sort the car running rich ??
Again, thank you for the comments, not a bad weekend of driving after getting the car driving for the first time on Wednesday afternoon and leaving on a 1000km (600mile) round trip on the Friday morning!
Cheers, Tim.
Still looking. Maybe post picures of your cars story on this community message boards for Doylestown Chalfont, PA.See what comes up
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Quote from: A12 Superbee on March 23, 2014, 06:58:18 PM
Just found and just finished reading this epic saga! I too saw the car at COTM and wished I'd seen this thread before!! Saw the beast parked out the front of Hogsbreath on the Friday night and of course at the show too. It looks amazing, was a highlight of the show as you don't see any of them about, much like that awesome A12 Superbee that was there also....oh hang on, that was me! ;)
Pity you're so far away but will catch you at COTM 2015 for spotlight on US Muscle?
Hey Craig how did you go on the way home, did you sort the car running rich ??
G'day mate, no drama's on the way home other than it running like a pig. We had an aussie Charger in our convoy that blew a tyre on the way to COTM and sure enough he blew another on the way home, fortunaely no damage like I suffered.!
The Bee is in the panel shop now, comes out tomorrow all fixed and then probably Saturday to my mechanic mate to have the carbs looked at. What idiot thought having 3 carbies was a good idea! lolz
AWESOME!!!!!!! :2thumbs:
Newly found info 1971 Doylestown PA newspaper for 69 daytona for sale in Danboro PA 20 minutes away from where car was known to be shipped to Hatfield PA
http://s975.photobucket.com/user/Wingcars69/media/crash_zpsefcb1c3c.jpg.html#/user/Wingcars69/media/crash_zpsefcb1c3c.jpg.html?&_suid=1395928240584015079080247539211
This car was purchased Tom in Long Island ? Also the rims , they appear to be 15x8 ? Love this car !!
In owners order Ernie Palanches from Bridgewater NJ rescued it in mid 70-s from whom wrecked it at 47,000 miles on its speedometer. From Chalfont PA area.Then on to Dave Patik of Cedar Rapids Iowa.Then from project daytona ad in Hemmings MCG .Tom Puglia of Long Island.Then to Tim in Australia .Its the earliest history we are trying to piece together with a 40 + year old trail.It was shipped to Hatfield recon center Hatfield PA.Were pretty certain in 71 it was in Danboro PA.by a for sale newspaper ad ad for a automatic daytona 20 minutes from orig dealer location .The other PA shipped daytona went to Ambler Pa bronze hemi 4 speed that Don Klump.Then Kevin Green owned then Otis Chandler.Then currently with Tim Wellborn
:2thumbs: :2thumbs: :2thumbs: looks better know what a save
Dave ,
I have known you for 35 years and you truly have a gift ! You could have a decent small info business on wing cars ! Make no mistake everyone likes free help however we dealing with high end cars and you should be compensated for extreme depth of knowledge in the research department .
Larry
COTM 14 - Thanks to C R Cooper Photography for the shots
Been a couple of months and the Daytona has been out on a few trips around the country side. After the Daytona was at Chryslers on the Murray it appeared in a couple of magazines one of which is apparently going to do a full feature on it in the near future.. Last week we were invited to attend the Gasoline Muscle Car Expo here in Melbourne. The show ran over a three day period and show cased around 140 cars both Australian and American. Here's a few photos that I've come across in the last week..
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:drool5: looks like an awesome gathering.
:yesnod: :drool5: :popcrn: :2thumbs:
Quote from: Charger-Bodie on June 06, 2014, 07:35:46 AM
:drool5: looks like an awesome gathering.
Ditto that!
The car is beautiful!
Keep us posted about that magazine feature Tim. I'll have to pick up a copy.
TPR
I like that last shot....leader of the pack! :cheers:
looking forward to seeing a feature in chrysler action. hopefully a sick 4 door VE sedan full of aftermarket engine crap wont bump it off the cover :icon_smile_big:
wow she turned out beautiful , good job tim
It turned out amazing! From wreck to jewel, what a great story! :2thumbs:
I remember seeing that car at Carlisle a few years back. What you did is beyond my imagination, well done. Do you have pictures of the fender tag and was there a build sheet. Just curious.
Kind regards,
Gus.
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I remember seeing that car at Carlisle a few years back. What you did is beyond my imagination, well done. Do you have pictures of the fender tag and was there a build sheet. Just curious.
Kind regards,
Gus.
Gus,
thanks for the praise, the body men were the true miracle workers on this one. When we got the Daytona the fender tag was missing. When the Daytona had been sold out of Patiks barn in 1994, Galen Govier had done a report on the car which included a break down of the fender tag. The guy we got the car from had an issue with an old girlfriend and she had taken the fender tag as payback. We had another made once we proved what we had, it is now on the car. There was a build sheet (possibly 2?) in the car, but they belonged to another car and have been since reunited.
Tim
Since purchasing the Daytona on the 9th of December 2007 I have been searching, trying to find the cars history and owners from the past. I have written literally hundreds of emails, posted on forums all over the internet and called complete strangers in the hope that they may be able to shed some light on this mystery. Nascarxx29 (Dave) and his lady have been beyond amazing, helping me and digging up things through newspapers and genealogy sites I never could have found.
The car is listed on the Daytona shipping list as going to the Hatfield Recon Centre, in Hatfield PA on the 28th August 1969. The recon center is a dealer only auction house which still operates today under Mannheim. We believe we found several advertisements for the Daytona in the Doylestown Intelligencer and I was told the car sat as a wreck down beside a house in the main street of Chalfont PA from approximately 1976 - 1979. With all the info we had collected I decided that Doylestown PA would be a good home base. I wrote an email to the Doylestown Intelligencer newspaper telling them the story of the car and how it eventually found its way down here too Australia in 2008. A lovely lady named Peggy contacted me and they were nice enough to run an article appealing to any locals in the area that may have recalled the car. I received about 13 emails in total from various people in the area who had bits and pieces of information, I was pursuing these when a gentleman contacted me saying he may be able to help asking for the Daytona's VIN. I gave it to him and didn't think a great deal more of it, while in the process of pursuing my own course. I awoke one morning last week to find an email sitting in my inbox, it was a copy of the Daytona's original title which had been retrieved from a microfiche slide. It had a name, Frank C P Graser Jr, an address in Chalfont and the date the car was titled, 12th Novemeber 1969. Looking for Frank I soon found he had sadly passed away at the young age of 55 in 2001. Frank had been a butcher in the area and had owned the car from new until it was wrecked late that Saturday night on the 21st of Feb 1976. The story we had heard all along was that the car was being driven in a rainstorm and had been wrecked ending up on it's roof. Looking at historical weather reports from that Saturday it was wet but it does not appear there were any storms....
While I was looking for the crash article, I stumbled across an April 71 article telling the story of a Frank C P Graser JR from Chalfont, who happened to be the same age. Frank had been working as a service station attendant when a guy had come in wearing a ski mask and sporting a 10" hunting knife demanding cash. Frank was bound and locked in the gas station store room, upon escaping he called the police and also discovered his 69 Dodge (Frank had the car since new) was missing. I think we can safely assume what that 69 Dodge used to get away from the armed robbery was.
I have found Frank's brother and he told me Frank bought the car new at Reedmans Dodge in Langhorne PA. I shared with the brother the story of the car, but unfortunately he does not appear to want to speak anymore after his initial reply, he did confess he often thinks of it. I'll respect his silence.
On the Daytona shipping list there are two other cars listed as gong to Reedmans so this I assume ours was bought at Hatfield and wound up being number 3? Reedman's was a monster auto center, having two test tracks on site and consisting of several makes, not only of Dodge. I am hoping to speak to other family members and see if anyone has any old photographs, but I think for now I'll let it lay for a while.
Tim.
:2thumbs: :2thumbs: :2thumbs: Awesome
Great detective work there Tim. Keep on going.
I don't have a single lead as to the history of my car prior to landing in Australia. Maybe I should focus on it again. :scratchchin:
TPR
Try your story on the boards . As Tim posted his .I always did and still do gather retro car dealer ads.And my girlfriend Ann Colli does family genelogy historys .And helped me finding the car owners or there relative / familys
Thanks for the information, what is the build date of the car? I will remember to take the fender tags of my cars if I ever have a fight with my wife :slap: I have a question, how the heck did they pull out everything so perfect. I notice a lot of little black dots (heat marks) on the right rear quarter panel, did they weld rods and pull on the panels or did they use heat and pushed with a jack.. I have a fender in rough shape and would like to try and straighten it out, I think it will take me forever. :smilielol: Regards,
Gus.
Quote from: madgus2000 on September 02, 2014, 09:50:37 PM
Thanks for the information, what is the build date of the car? I will remember to take the fender tags of my cars if I ever have a fight with my wife :slap: I have a question, how the heck did they pull out everything so perfect. I notice a lot of little black dots (heat marks) on the right rear quarter panel, did they weld rods and pull on the panels or did they use heat and pushed with a jack.. I have a fender in rough shape and would like to try and straighten it out, I think it will take me forever. :smilielol: Regards,
Gus.
Gus
the small dark coloured dots are shrink marks from heating and then quenching. They used a porta power (jack) to push some parts of the body (especially the roof) back into position. There was one section on the passengers side at the front of the rear quarter where they welded rods and used that method to pull out the dents. That specific area has been previously repaired prior to the car being rolled in 76, it's hidden under the primer in the old wreck photo behind the gas station.
The head guy of the two that repaired this car is a very well known body man from around our area. He has fixed a lot of classic and collectable cars over the years and is renowned for his quality and skill. He used to own a panel shop in his younger days, he's around 70 but still doing amazing work. I remember him saying that this car reminded him of the roll overs he used to fix when he was an apprentice.
Off the top of my head, I think the build date on the tag was 515. That'd be May 15th I'm pretty sure.
Tim
I picked up a copy of street machine mag - nice feature!
what a shame they didn't include the 'tona as one side of the free poster!!!
would've looked nice on the garage wall :2thumbs:
Thanks, lucky you posted on here because I was told the issue would not be out for another 3 weeks and may have even missed it altogether.. The photography looks great and both the guys doing to the article were good guys to deal with. They were limited to 1000 words so the story wasn't told like I feel it should have been. Staring into the sun for 10 minutes while he took the photos on the last page didn't make our ugly mugs look any prettier, good to see the article anyway.
Cheers, Tim.
Just picked up a copy. Very nice spread.
I'm surprised they didn't put you on the cover though.
Well done fellas.
TPR
yeah I was thinking cover too. read the article on the nova though and that fits in with the whole modified street machine theme better I guess.
if it doesn't make it onto cover of Chrysler action I feel there will be no reason left to ever buy one again. :yesnod:
Quote from: loudmouthaussie on October 14, 2014, 03:58:59 AM
yeah I was thinking cover too. read the article on the nova though and that fits in with the whole modified street machine theme better I guess.
True.
TPR
Quote from: Tim L on September 02, 2014, 06:03:09 AM
Since purchasing the Daytona on the 9th of December 2007 I have been searching, trying to find the cars history and owners from the past. I have written literally hundreds of emails, posted on forums all over the internet and called complete strangers in the hope that they may be able to shed some light on this mystery. Nascarxx29 (Dave) and his lady have been beyond amazing, helping me and digging up things through newspapers and genealogy sites I never could have found.
The car is listed on the Daytona shipping list as going to the Hatfield Recon Centre, in Hatfield PA on the 28th August 1969. The recon center is a dealer only auction house which still operates today under Mannheim. We believe we found several advertisements for the Daytona in the Doylestown Intelligencer and I was told the car sat as a wreck down beside a house in the main street of Chalfont PA from approximately 1976 - 1979. With all the info we had collected I decided that Doylestown PA would be a good home base. I wrote an email to the Doylestown Intelligencer newspaper telling them the story of the car and how it eventually found its way down here too Australia in 2008. A lovely lady named Peggy contacted me and they were nice enough to run an article appealing to any locals in the area that may have recalled the car. I received about 13 emails in total from various people in the area who had bits and pieces of information, I was pursuing these when a gentleman contacted me saying he may be able to help asking for the Daytona's VIN. I gave it to him and didn't think a great deal more of it, while in the process of pursuing my own course. I awoke one morning last week to find an email sitting in my inbox, it was a copy of the Daytona's original title which had been retrieved from a microfiche slide. It had a name, Frank C P Graser Jr, an address in Chalfont and the date the car was titled, 12th Novemeber 1969. Looking for Frank I soon found he had sadly passed away at the young age of 55 in 2001. Frank had been a butcher in the area and had owned the car from new until it was wrecked late that Saturday night on the 21st of Feb 1976. The story we had heard all along was that the car was being driven in a rainstorm and had been wrecked ending up on it's roof. Looking at historical weather reports from that Saturday it was wet but it does not appear there were any storms....
While I was looking for the crash article, I stumbled across an April 71 article telling the story of a Frank C P Graser JR from Chalfont, who happened to be the same age. Frank had been working as a service station attendant when a guy had come in wearing a ski mask and sporting a 10" hunting knife demanding cash. Frank was bound and locked in the gas station store room, upon escaping he called the police and also discovered his 69 Dodge (Frank had the car since new) was missing. I think we can safely assume what that 69 Dodge used to get away from the armed robbery was.
I have found Frank's brother and he told me Frank bought the car new at Reedmans Dodge in Langhorne PA. I shared with the brother the story of the car, but unfortunately he does not appear to want to speak anymore after his initial reply, he did confess he often thinks of it. I'll respect his silence.
On the Daytona shipping list there are two other cars listed as gong to Reedmans so this I assume ours was bought at Hatfield and wound up being number 3? Reedman's was a monster auto center, having two test tracks on site and consisting of several makes, not only of Dodge. I am hoping to speak to other family members and see if anyone has any old photographs, but I think for now I'll let it lay for a while.
Tim.
awesome stuff :cheers: :cheers: :popcrn: :yesnod: :2thumbs:
Awesome restoration and the cars back story of its history in Pennsylvania.Doesnt get much better Congrats Tim Great car and great story case solved :icon_smile_big:
Thanks fellas appreciate the praise, it has been well worth the effort :cheers:
Just found a copy of SMM. Awesome job Tim. :o I would love to see it this year at the COTM, hopefully going across the Nullarbor this year for it.
Quote from: Aussiemadonmopars on January 07, 2015, 12:08:29 AM
Just found a copy of SMM. Awesome job Tim. :o I would love to see it this year at the COTM, hopefully going across the Nullarbor this year for it.
Make that trip across the Nullarbor and we might just see you there !
stole this from a facebook friend.
Thats a great picture!
are there more pics to see the other cars, too?
Carsten
there are others, so i will link Matt to this site and see if he joins.
Thanks !
Carsten
Quote from: held1823 on March 15, 2015, 07:50:51 PM
stole this from a facebook friend.
:coolgleamA: good picture , thanks for sharing :cheers:
The Daytona has been road registered for 12 months as of last week. Chryslers on the Murray was her maiden voyage last year and this marked the anniversary. Caught up with a lot of good people and met some new ones.
Here is a link to a photo album showing a lot of the American stuff.
http://60samcc.com/COTM15/index.html (http://60samcc.com/COTM15/index.html)
thanks for the link !
Carsten
Quote from: Tim L on March 21, 2015, 04:16:49 AM
The Daytona has been road registered for 12 months as of last week. Chryslers on the Murray was her maiden voyage last year and this marked the anniversary. Caught up with a lot of good people and met some new ones.
Here is a link to a photo album showing a lot of the American stuff.
http://60samcc.com/COTM15/index.html (http://60samcc.com/COTM15/index.html)
Quote from: dads_69 on May 17, 2008, 01:49:49 AM
Welcome to the site and are there any side view photos of the car? I myself never heard of the car, but the guys who know of the car will be commenting soon.
Good luck w/the restoration. :2thumbs:
Mark
I believe I have the Fender Tag to this Car :I was the ex girlfriend that took it from Tom from long island , please let me know who owns the car now .I also think I have video of our trip to Iowa getting the car .
thanks
ellen
thanks
Hello miss mopar,
Thanks for getting in contact with me, I would love to see the video hear your story on collecting the car and to get back the cars original fender tag.
I sent you a personal message here on the forum
Thank you for contacting me, Tim. :2thumbs:
Any chance of seeing a photo of the tag on here?
Cheers, Tim
let me know if you got the pic . its late here I'll check tomorrow
Ellen,
thanks for posting the photo. We had an exact replica tag made, once we proved what we had to the person doing the fabrication.
The new tag is now on the car. I really would love to see that video if it still exists and have the fender tag back with the car.
Let me know, Tim.
fascinating plot twist that can only end one of two ways.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qHAe3CeEnaY
Wow, what an awesome turn of events.
Let us know how things turn out.
TPR
Quote from: held1823 on May 05, 2015, 01:50:03 AM
fascinating plot twist that can only end one of two ways.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qHAe3CeEnaY
:popcrn: :popcrn: :popcrn: :popcrn: :popcrn: :popcrn: :popcrn:
:scratchchin: interesting :yesnod: :popcrn:
good luck in reuniting the car with the tag
Carsten
Great News Tim more history returns to the 69 daytona
Well it's been over two years since we've posted any updates but I just thought I'd let you guys that we'll be at Chryslers At Carlisle this year!! Anywhere specific you Aero guys will be hanging out?
Hopefully we aren't burnt at the stake for turning up in this old girl...
See you there!
:popcrn: :drool5: :popcrn: :drool5: :2thumbs: :2thumbs:
:cheers:
Quote from: Tim L on May 04, 2015, 10:41:36 PM
Ellen,
thanks for posting the photo. We had an exact replica tag made, once we proved what we had to the person doing the fabrication.
The new tag is now on the car. I really would love to see that video if it still exists and have the fender tag back with the car.
Let me know, Tim.
Tim, did you ever get the real fender tag for the car?
He supposed to miss mopar has it
Maybe at Carlisle he will get it
Hell of a job you've done...Just amazing..
Been a few years,any new pix an info?? :popcrn: :drool5: :popcrn: :drool5: :2thumbs: :2thumbs:
On his Facebook page Tim had alot of picts of green daytona
Long time no post...
The Daytona made the trip this weekend just gone to Chrysler's on the Murray in Albury, NSW. Having not been the last couple of years it was disappointing that my father could not attend due to having to have an eye operation at the last minute, the day we were due to leave for the show. I had one of my oldest friends come along for the ride and we had a great time, plenty of laughs and being Australia's largest mopar show, we were not disappointed. Dad is making a recovery at the moment and all is well.
931 cars turned out in total and fabulous weather made this year's spotlight on American cars an absolutely fantastic year.
The Daytona made its debut at this show some years and back and this year was the only winged car there. It was featured on this year's flyer, t shirts and other various memorabilia.
I suspect the Daytona is going to need some attention in the near future (nothing bad) just a bit of time spent as all these cars do. So I will probably do a couple of updates on here as we do it.
I have been focusing on my business and working on the 71 340 4-speed Cuda I am currently restoring. The Cuda's body was taken back even further than this Daytona and I am currently waiting on my body guy, who is the same guy who did the Daytona to take it off my hands and finish the metal.
Enjoy,
Tim
:popcrn: :drool5: :2thumbs: Great to see pix an hear from ya..hope ya dad heals up better then ever . :2thumbs: :drool5: :popcrn: :popcrn: :popcrn:
Followed this build from the start so was great to see the pics from COTM pop up on facebook! Haven't been on here in a long time either. :2thumbs: