Hi guys
check this car out . that's kind of a lot of money for this car, isn't it ? that rear wing looks kinda tall . maybe if it had a 440 in it but it's got a 383 . i figured 28k but it keeps going up . sorry firefox won't let me save any pics but here's the link.
http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/?cmd=ViewItem&_trksid=p3984.m1438.l2649&item=120840030926&sspagename=STRK%3AMEWAX%3AIT#v4-47
Same seller as that red Daytona clone recently.
Wing appears to be a little too far forward.
Quote from: Aero426 on January 13, 2012, 06:52:09 PM
Same seller as that red Daytona clone recently.
Wing appears to be a little too far forward.
that and lots of other issues
:shruggy:. The door gaps and fender alignment looks good in the pics. looks like it has a rollbar in it. That would scare me, probaly been down the track allot. Just remember pictures are deceiving unless you look at it in person its a gamble, especially at that price. Also who knows whats under the paint. I have seen body men that I do not know if i should shake there hand for sculpting all the bondo as an artist, or hit them in the chin for being stupid. :rofl:
Quote from: Aero426 on January 13, 2012, 06:52:09 PM
Same seller as that red Daytona clone recently.
http://www.dodgecharger.com/forum/index.php/topic,86734.0.html
I like how all his ads state he's always selling it for his "friend" ;).......so when the disillusioned buyer reallizes what he really got in the deal (another carved car) :slap:....he can take it up with the "friend".....nice
at least they wiped the dirt off the back seat in this one
ok, im no wing car expert. but wouldnt this be a good way for someone to break into the aero world for cheap? of course we dont know what is going on underneath. but i see what you guys quote on pieces to put one of these together from a RR. and we know what a real one costs.whoever gets it could slowly correct anything wrong, but cruise that thing and have fun at the same time. :shruggy:
it has working headlights :scratchchin:
Quote from: nvrbdn on January 14, 2012, 05:02:10 PM
ok, im no wing car expert. but wouldnt this be a good way for someone to break into the aero world for cheap?
how does a clone, no matter how nicely done, equate to "breaking into the aero world" ?
i dont know, i see alot of guys with clones invited to lots of events that are for the aero group :shruggy: thought they were included. guess its a tighter bunch than i thought :shruggy:
i thought they accepted everyone too, or are they like the people from the hamptons when i show up with a fake Gucci watch???
Quote from: held1823 on January 14, 2012, 05:24:32 PM
Quote from: nvrbdn on January 14, 2012, 05:02:10 PM
ok, im no wing car expert. but wouldnt this be a good way for someone to break into the aero world for cheap?
how does a clone, no matter how nicely done, equate to "breaking into the aero world" ?
Quote from: nvrbdn on January 14, 2012, 05:29:31 PM
i dont know, i see alot of guys with clones invited to lots of events that are for the aero group :shruggy: thought they were included. guess its a tighter bunch than i thought :shruggy:
:shruggy: :popcrn:
:shruggy: :popcrn:
there is a bit of difference between owning a clone versus owning an aero car, wouldn't you agree? clones may be invited to an event, but it's a stretch to equate that with buying one's way into a hypothetical "world" with a pretend car.
i've never come across an aero car owner with a sense of entitlement like is implied by the gucci/hamptons reference, but the same cannot be said for a few of the clones. why is that?
ok, well lucky for me i dont own either. and if i were lucky enough to own one and was told my pretend car had to park in the alley so the real cars could get their due, id find a more fun bunch to run with. :2thumbs:
Quotei've never come across an aero car owner with a sense of entitlement
Really :slap: what world do you live in
Quote from: held1823 on January 14, 2012, 06:25:59 PM
there is a bit of difference between owning a clone versus owning an aero car, wouldn't you agree?...
For me owning mine will be about 90K less difference and a personal feeling knowing that I built it instead of just buying it. I'll complete it to the best of my ability and doesn't matter who will snub it, I only have to please my own tastes and at the end of the day, as long as I'm satisfied with it, I'm happy. I would have liked to have been fortunate enough to own an original off the lot Birdy or Tona, but I'm not. I won't pretend or pass it off as a real deal or even expect anyone to accept it as a close clone because it won't be. It's a lot of work to build one only to have it look like everyone else but that's just me; I like different. I have come into acquaintance with both cloners and real wing car owners here and all have been a positive influence or help for me and the hobby :cheers: and doubt anyone would want to kick me off the car show pavement because I had a "pretend car". I like them all, although some more than others, either real, fake, pretend, clone, tribute, or whatever one chooses to call theirs.
Quotelike them all, although some more than others, either real, fake, pretend, clone, tribute, or whatever one chooses to call theirs.
:yesnod: well said, no haters here. real wing car owners should take it as a compliment when you see a clone . we loved your car so much but couldn't afford one . so we had to build our own.
i remember the first time i seen a superbird ,i was 13 and it took my breath away . i've been chasing one ever since.
when i completed the transformation of my car into a daytona. me and my wife stood on the porch looking at it . we both had tears in or eye's. it was a long hard road to build my pretend car .
:cheers:
yea...what Rene said...
Bryan (clone owner as well)
my earlier post asked a simple question, in response to the comment that i quoted in that post. that comment specifically mentioned "buying into the aero car world on the cheap".
buying into this mythical world seems like it might require actually purchasing an aero car, although the implication was the purchase of this clone makes one an aero car owner. i still do not understand that connection. cubic zirconia is not the same thing as a diamond. if it is, why bother putting a diamond on the wife's finger. she should look at a cubic zirconia ring as a "compliment".
my disdain for clones of any make or model is no secret, although there was no clone bashing implied in the earlier question. that my personal opinion is offensive enough to unite the clone camp only bolsters the comment regarding their insistence on entitlement, more so than any aero owner i know. that said, i'm finished throwing gas on the fire. feel free to have the last word, and we can then agree to disagree on the concept.
Someone piss in yer Cheerios's this morning?
Quotemy earlier post asked a simple question, in response to the comment that i quoted in that post. that comment specifically mentioned "buying into the aero car world on the cheap".
buying into this mythical world seems like it might require actually purchasing an aero car, although the implication was the purchase of this clone makes one an aero car owner. i still do not understand that connection. cubic zirconia is not the same thing as a diamond. if it is, why bother putting a diamond on the wife's finger. she should look at a cubic zirconia ring as a "compliment".
my disdain for clones of any make or model is no secret, although there was no clone bashing implied in the earlier question. that my personal opinion is offensive enough to unite the clone camp only bolsters the comment regarding their insistence on entitlement, more so than any aero owner i know. that said, i'm finished throwing gas on the fire. feel free to have the last word, and we can then agree to disagree on the concept.
:lol: :lol: :smilielol:
entitlement ............look in the mirror............. :lol: HATER!
Quote from: BigBlockSam on January 14, 2012, 08:27:02 PM
Quotei've never come across an aero car owner with a sense of entitlement
Really :slap: what world do you live in
what does that mean? :ahum:
Quote from: oldcarnut on January 14, 2012, 09:44:47 PM
Quote from: held1823 on January 14, 2012, 06:25:59 PM
there is a bit of difference between owning a clone versus owning an aero car, wouldn't you agree?...
For me owning mine will be about 90K less difference and a personal feeling knowing that I built it instead of just buying it. I'll complete it to the best of my ability and doesn't matter who will snub it, I only have to please my own tastes and at the end of the day, as long as I'm satisfied with it, I'm happy. I would have liked to have been fortunate enough to own an original off the lot Birdy or Tona, but I'm not. I won't pretend or pass it off as a real deal or even expect anyone to accept it as a close clone because it won't be. It's a lot of work to build one only to have it look like everyone else but that's just me; I like different. I have come into acquaintance with both cloners and real wing car owners here and all have been a positive influence or help for me and the hobby :cheers: and doubt anyone would want to kick me off the car show pavement because I had a "pretend car". I like them all, although some more than others, either real, fake, pretend, clone, tribute, or whatever one chooses to call theirs.
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Quote from: BigBlockSam on January 14, 2012, 10:10:02 PM
Quotelike them all, although some more than others, either real, fake, pretend, clone, tribute, or whatever one chooses to call theirs.
:yesnod: well said, no haters here. real wing car owners should take it as a compliment when you see a clone . we loved your car so much but couldn't afford one . so we had to build our own.
i remember the first time i seen a superbird ,i was 13 and it took my breath away . i've been chasing one ever since.
when i completed the transformation of my car into a daytona. me and my wife stood on the porch looking at it . we both had tears in or eye's. it was a long hard road to build my pretend car .
:cheers:
:cheers: :cheers: awesome brother :2thumbs: :2thumbs: :2thumbs: :2thumbs: :2thumbs:
Quote from: held1823 on January 15, 2012, 12:00:31 AM
my earlier post asked a simple question, in response to the comment that i quoted in that post. that comment specifically mentioned "buying into the aero car world on the cheap".
buying into this mythical world seems like it might require actually purchasing an aero car, although the implication was the purchase of this clone makes one an aero car owner. i still do not understand that connection..
my disdain for clones of any make or model is no secret, that my personal opinion is offensive enough to unite the clone camp only bolsters the comment regarding their insistence on entitlement, more so than any aero owner i know.
"buying ones self in to the aero world".........i only know 2 ways to get in and i dont see too many people giving these cars away. so how else do you get in? there are mopar clubs where the wings belong, and there are wing clubs,which only wing cars belong. ala "aero world". sorry if i labeled it improperly. the car in question is a (dare i say it) "CLONE". but to some who want to drive a winged warrior and cant afford huge money,a great alternative. ala "cheap buy in" compared to an original.i just made an error in thinking that these guys that have the clones were excepted by the real wing owners into the group. heck, i even seen them park together at monster mopar.
I find that the mopar community and the wing car owners are very accepting of my car and treat me no different than any other aero car owner .
That being said there are always a few who dont . I offer no appologies its my car , my dream , I build it the way I wanted it . Sure i would love to have a real wing , but that never came to pass . I'm sure i will have a real wing one day but I will always love the birdible just as much . To much fun and great memoires in it already and many more to come . :Twocents:
I have never had any issues with someone wanting to celebrate the existence of an Aero. No one on this board has had a problem with each other - clone or factory Aero car-wise - Well - except for my car and beer hungry estranged adopted son out of Missouri. :lol:
Quote from: moparstuart on January 15, 2012, 09:34:14 AM
I find that the mopar community and the wing car owners are very accepting of my car and treat me no different than any other aero car owner .
That being said there are always a few who dont . I offer no appologies its my car , my dream , I build it the way I wanted it . Sure i would love to have a real wing , but that never came to pass . I'm sure i will have a real wing one day but I will always love the birdible just as much . To much fun and great memoires in it already and many more to come . :Twocents:
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Quote from: maxwellwedge on January 15, 2012, 09:36:44 AM
I have never had any issues with someone wanting to celebrate the existence of an Aero. No one on this board has had a problem with each other - clone or factory Aero car-wise - Well - except for my car and beer hungry estranged adopted son out of Missouri. :lol:
see i knew i was going to get a real wing , just waiting for dear old dad to kick off :nana: :nana: :nana:
just dont forget his birthday each year stu. keep in those good graces :2thumbs:
Ive never seen a clone car in person, I really dont know how many there are but it seems like less because of the WWW.
I have always been asked if my car was "real" which I always thought to be funny since I started hearing it around 1986. I never heard of a clone back then. :shruggy:
QuoteI find that the mopar community and the wing car owners are very accepting of my car and treat me no different than any other aero car owner .
That being said there are always a few who dont . I offer no appologies its my car , my dream , I build it the way I wanted it . Sure i would love to have a real wing , but that never came to pass . I'm sure i will have a real wing one day but I will always love the birdible just as much . To much fun and great memoires in it already and many more to come . Twocents
:cheers: :cheers: :cheers: :yesnod:
also , i've met a lot of great people that are wing car owners . made some great friends and have been having a lots of fun . many people went out of there way to explain how some things worked on wing cars . like the lights . i was so confused on mounting my nose and getting the lights operating.
that to me is what it's all about loving these cars and great people . i hate no car.
:icon_smile_big: :cheers:
Quote from: held1823 on January 14, 2012, 06:25:59 PM
there is a bit of difference between owning a clone versus owning an aero car,
There is?......I thought they were all the same,...just machines
If they were all "just machines" they would all be worth nothing. No emotional attachment.
Quote from: maxwellwedge on January 15, 2012, 07:59:59 PM
If they were all "just machines" they would all be worth nothing. No emotional attachment.
emotional attachment causes a misplaced bearing on value when a seller unconsciously/consciously adds sentiment into a sale price, or worth.
Yeah - OK - Sure thing Skippy.
OK everyone - You can go home now - There is no hobby - we don't love our cars - nothing to see here - move along.
damn, now the wife wont be able to complain at me for sittin on the lap top while watchin T.V. :smilielol: oh well ill hang and see if anyone else stays.
Quote from: DAY CLONA on January 15, 2012, 05:33:46 PM
Quote from: held1823 on January 14, 2012, 06:25:59 PM
there is a bit of difference between owning a clone versus owning an aero car,
There is?......I thought they were all the same,...just machines
way off on that one!!!! :oye:
why are HEMI cars worth more than a slanty then? All
JUST machine right! :nana:
QuoteJust machines...
You can buy a VERY nice Ferrari Testarossa recreation with an authentic style aluminum body, and a Ferrari V12 for $325,000. (http://www.classicdriver.de/upload/cars/11272/1768925/biga.jpg)
This one below sold for Sixteen Million. There must be a reason. (http://images.gizmag.com/gallery_lrg/ferrari-testa-rossa-prototype-us16400000-auction-record-0.jpg)
Quote from: moparstuart on January 15, 2012, 09:34:14 AM
I find that the mopar community and the wing car owners are very accepting of my car and treat me no different than any other aero car owner .
we do, however, treat you differently because you ride the short bus :lol:
Quote from: nvrbdn on January 15, 2012, 09:27:08 AM
"buying ones self in to the aero world".........i only know 2 ways to get in and i dont see too many people giving these cars away.
If I had no aero cars, I'd rather have a Spoiler II, a Talladega, or a C500 instead of a clone, and all are pretty reasonable.
Mind you, the above statement is just a tad hypocritical :icon_smile_big:
Quote from: pettybird on January 16, 2012, 10:35:04 AM
Quote from: moparstuart on January 15, 2012, 09:34:14 AM
I find that the mopar community and the wing car owners are very accepting of my car and treat me no different than any other aero car owner .
we do, however, treat you differently because you ride the short bus :lol:
yup we ride it together
Quote from: moparstuart on January 16, 2012, 11:36:33 AM
Quote from: pettybird on January 16, 2012, 10:35:04 AM
Quote from: moparstuart on January 15, 2012, 09:34:14 AM
I find that the mopar community and the wing car owners are very accepting of my car and treat me no different than any other aero car owner .
we do, however, treat you differently because you ride the short bus :lol:
yup we ride it together
Hot Pink and green... a winning combination. :smilielol:
Quote from: Aero426 on January 16, 2012, 11:46:00 AM
Quote from: moparstuart on January 16, 2012, 11:36:33 AM
Quote from: pettybird on January 16, 2012, 10:35:04 AM
Quote from: moparstuart on January 15, 2012, 09:34:14 AM
I find that the mopar community and the wing car owners are very accepting of my car and treat me no different than any other aero car owner .
we do, however, treat you differently because you ride the short bus :lol:
yup we ride it together
Hot Pink and green... a winning combination. :smilielol:
I love him and I dont care who knows it :yesnod: :nana:
Quote from: held1823 on January 15, 2012, 12:00:31 AM
my earlier post asked a simple question, in response to the comment that i quoted in that post. that comment specifically mentioned "buying into the aero car world on the cheap".
buying into this mythical world seems like it might require actually purchasing an aero car, although the implication was the purchase of this clone makes one an aero car owner. i still do not understand that connection. cubic zirconia is not the same thing as a diamond. if it is, why bother putting a diamond on the wife's finger. she should look at a cubic zirconia ring as a "compliment".
================++++++++++++++++DISDAIN FOR CLONES OF ANY MAKE OR MODEL +++++++----------- my disdain for clones of any make or model is no secret, although there was no clone bashing implied in the earlier question. that my personal opinion is offensive enough to unite the clone camp only bolsters the comment regarding their insistence on entitlement, more so than any aero owner i know. that said, i'm finished throwing gas on the fire. feel free to have the last word, and we can then agree to disagree on the concept.
LOTS HATE AND STRESS OVER A FEW WORDS,,DONT YOU THINK?WHAT IF SOME ONE TOOK A REAL DAYTONA ?AND MADE A HALF BREED CLONE OF A REAL CHARGER? DAYTONA ASS, AND VIN WITH CHARGER NOSE?
Wing Car collectors can be real pissers at times when it comes to impressing people with the originality, uniqueness, and enviability of THEIR car....
"Mine still has the original air in the tires"
"I have the original paperwork from when the assembly line tech went to the bathroom"
"That sealed jar on the back decklid has the original exhaust fumes from when it first started"
"My car has minus 2,700 original miles, because I drove it backwards from the day I got it"
"I've got a correctly date coded traffic ticket for parking too close to a fire hydrant because the nose overhung the parking space line."
"I have a photo of Richard Petty looking at a magazine which references a Burger Hut in Flatrock, Michigan where the lead designer for the Superbird once stopped to use the men's room AND I have a receipt for a hamburger from that same restaurant dated November 1969."
"The actual build date for my car was in reality 10,000 B.C. because the Star Trek Episode about Time Travel was broadcast on the day my car was supposed to be built, but because of the time travel effect it caused by car to be built about 10,000 years earlier. And you can see I have a TV guide from 1969 to prove it."
"My build sheet was actually rolled up and used to roll joints with in 1970, but I managed to rescue the ashes and I've spent 40 years piecing it back together one ash piece at a time."
PS I didn't make those up.... they are all things that are true about my car.
Quote from: rainbow4jd on January 16, 2012, 01:32:12 PM
Wing Car collectors can be real pissers at times when it comes to impressing people with the originality, uniqueness, and enviability of THEIR car....
"Mine still has the original air in the tires"
"I have the original paperwork from when the assembly line tech went to the bathroom"
"That sealed jar on the back decklid has the original exhaust fumes from when it first started"
"My car has minus 2,700 original miles, because I drove it backwards from the day I got it"
"I've got a correctly date coded traffic ticket for parking too close to a fire hydrant because the nose overhung the parking space line."
"I have a photo of Richard Petty looking at a magazine which references a Burger Hut in Flatrock, Michigan where the lead designer for the Superbird once stopped to use the men's room AND I have a receipt for a hamburger from that same restaurant dated November 1969."
"The actual build date for my car was in reality 10,000 B.C. because the Star Trek Episode about Time Travel was broadcast on the day my car was supposed to be built, but because of the time travel effect it caused by car to be built about 10,000 years earlier. And you can see I have a TV guide from 1969 to prove it."
"My build sheet was actually rolled up and used to roll joints with in 1970, but I managed to rescue the ashes and I've spent 40 years piecing it back together one ash piece at a time."
PS I didn't make those up.... they are all things that are true about my car.
:rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl:
Quote from: Aero426 on January 16, 2012, 11:46:00 AM
Hot Pink and green... a winning combination. :smilielol:
we would have RULED the 80's!
Quote from: djcarguy on January 16, 2012, 01:04:55 PM
Quote from: held1823 on January 15, 2012, 12:00:31 AM
............ disdain for clones of any make or model ...............
LOTS HATE AND STRESS OVER A FEW WORDS,,DONT YOU THINK?WHAT IF SOME ONE TOOK A REAL DAYTONA ?AND MADE A HALF BREED CLONE OF A REAL CHARGER? DAYTONA ASS, AND VIN WITH CHARGER NOSE?
i have no clue what the hell the first part of that statement means. am i stressed? no, why would you think so? do i hate the idea of a cloned muscle car? absolutely. clone a daytona into a "half-breed charger"? impossible, it's already a charger. the opposite action, magically turning a charger into a daytona, is also impossible. a base camaro is forever just a camaro, it will never be a z/28 or SS. a base mustang will never become a shelby or boss model. a satellite, never a roadrunner, nor will a coronet 440 become a super bee. my disdain for clones is not aero-specific. it's fraud, no matter the reasoning. per merriam-webster:
fraud
noun \ˈfrȯd\
Definition of FRAUD
1 a: deceit, trickery; specifically: intentional perversion of truth in order to induce another to part with something of value or to surrender a legal right
b: an act of deceiving or misrepresenting : trick
2 a: a person who is not what he or she pretends to be : impostor; also: one who defrauds : cheat
b: one that is not what it seems or is represented to be
clones are like a girl wearing a strap-on. both may look the part, but neither is what it so badly wants to be. there was once a time when people did without the things they could not afford, or settled for what they could. not anymore. today it's "i can't afford what i want, so i will just pretend i have it, and expect everyone else to agree that it's ok". well, not everyone does.
Quotei have no clue what the hell the first part of that statement means. am i stressed? no, why would you think so? do i hate the idea of a cloned muscle car? absolutely. clone a daytona into a "half-breed charger"? impossible, it's already a charger. the opposite action, magically turning a charger into a daytona, is also impossible. a base camaro is forever just a camaro, it will never be a z/28 or SS. a base mustang will never become a shelby or boss model. a satellite, never a roadrunner, nor will a coronet 440 become a super bee. my disdain for clones is not aero-specific. it's fraud, no matter the reasoning. per merriam-webster:
fraud
noun \ˈfrȯd\
Definition of FRAUD
1 a: deceit, trickery; specifically: intentional perversion of truth in order to induce another to part with something of value or to surrender a legal right
b: an act of deceiving or misrepresenting : trick
2 a: a person who is not what he or she pretends to be : impostor; also: one who defrauds : cheat
b: one that is not what it seems or is represented to be
clones are like a girl wearing a strap-on. both may look the part, but neither is what it so badly wants to be. there was once a time when people did without the things they could not afford, or settled for what they could. not anymore. today it's "i can't afford what i want, so i will just pretend i have it, and expect everyone else to agree that it's ok". well, not everyone does.
i thought you were done and man your long winded and negative . you sound like a ball of fun
fraud, yes, if someone is trying to sell it for what it is not . if someone is just enjoying it for it's look and performance. i find nothing wrong with that . it's just fun . you do remember what fun and light hearted-ness is don't you .
if your into strap ons i think your on the wrong forum .
i was done, but this thread won't die and i was feeling a bit left out, so i thought i'd get in a little more clone bashing before it gets locked. my opinion is "negative", only because it's the opposite of yours. and for total irony, you were the one bashing this car, not me. how is that for fun?
p.s. dont hate, just cuz i gots speeling and grammor skillz
STRESS,, NO ,NO STRESS HERE?? MUST be me not reading your post right i guess??? you started the entitlement thing?? oh thanks for the definition of fraud,again a word you throw in to thread???
sure would be a boring world without clones, as the real ones are rarely seen or driven anymore.DJ
dj, don't confuse yourself along with me. YOU wrote the comment about stress, i was just trying to decipher it.
and if i ever own an aero car, i will be ALL about entitlement. that, and gucci watches.
Quotep.s. dont hate, just cuz i gots speeling and grammor skillz.
yes spell check and copy and paste are wonderful things. :rofl:
Quote from: pettybird on January 16, 2012, 10:37:29 AM
Quote from: nvrbdn on January 15, 2012, 09:27:08 AM
"buying ones self in to the aero world".........i only know 2 ways to get in and i dont see too many people giving these cars away.
If I had no aero cars, I'd rather have a Spoiler II, a Talladega, or a C500 instead of a clone, and all are pretty reasonable.
Mind you, the above statement is just a tad hypocritical :icon_smile_big:
:hah: :hah: :hah: clone owner , clone owner , clone owner . clone owner :nana: :nana: :nana: :nana: :icon_smile_big:
lol. i was all set to point out the pink elephant (i would say pun intended, but apparently i'm no fun) in the room until i reread the confessional in the last line.
Quote from: held1823 on January 16, 2012, 04:25:07 PM
lol. i was all set to point out the pink elephant (i would say pun intended, but apparently i'm no fun) in the room until i reread the confessional in the last line.
haha...well yeah.
with three wings, including that one, guess which one would get sold first?
Quote from: djcarguy on January 16, 2012, 03:29:14 PM
sure would be a boring world without clones, as the real ones are rarely seen or driven anymore.DJ
you live in a mythical world (not that THAT hasn't already been established) where real cars never see the road and everyone else drives their clones through tsunamis.
it's as misguided as your dartona crap.
Quote from: pettybird on January 16, 2012, 05:32:14 PM
Quote from: held1823 on January 16, 2012, 04:25:07 PM
lol. i was all set to point out the pink elephant (i would say pun intended, but apparently i'm no fun) in the room until i reread the confessional in the last line.
haha...well yeah.
with three wings, including that one, guess which one would get sold first?
just because the 4th car's wing is MIA you dont count it ??? :shruggy: just give it to me !!!!! :nana:
Quote from: moparstuart on January 16, 2012, 05:39:30 PM
Quote from: pettybird on January 16, 2012, 05:32:14 PM
Quote from: held1823 on January 16, 2012, 04:25:07 PM
lol. i was all set to point out the pink elephant (i would say pun intended, but apparently i'm no fun) in the room until i reread the confessional in the last line.
haha...well yeah.
with three wings, including that one, guess which one would get sold first?
just because the 4th car's wing is MIA you dont count it ??? :shruggy: just give it to me !!!!! :nana:
if I said 'come get it' I'm pretty sure there's a guy in IN a few hours closer who might have an interest in it, too. Better just wait until Jim dies :lol:
Defcon 1.17 - On High Banana Peel alert!
Quote from: pettybird on January 16, 2012, 07:09:16 PM
if I said 'come get it' I'm pretty sure there's a guy in IN a few hours closer who might have an interest in it, too. Better just wait until Jim dies :lol:
make that two IN guys. the second one is a hour closer yet, and he wouldn't even need the whole car...
Quote from: held1823 on January 16, 2012, 07:59:06 PM
Quote from: pettybird on January 16, 2012, 07:09:16 PM
if I said 'come get it' I'm pretty sure there's a guy in IN a few hours closer who might have an interest in it, too. Better just wait until Jim dies :lol:
make that two IN guys. the second one is a hour closer yet, and he wouldn't even need the whole car...
there is no whole car lol
Quote from: maxwellwedge on January 16, 2012, 07:29:51 PM
Defcon 1.17 - On High Banana Peel alert!
i have more complex plan than that
:o
Quote from: moparstuart on January 16, 2012, 08:04:00 PM
Quote from: maxwellwedge on January 16, 2012, 07:29:51 PM
Defcon 1.17 - On High Banana Peel alert!
i have more complex plan than that
be wary of any birthday gifts from missouri...
Quote from: held1823 on January 16, 2012, 08:14:23 PM
Quote from: moparstuart on January 16, 2012, 08:04:00 PM
Quote from: maxwellwedge on January 16, 2012, 07:29:51 PM
Defcon 1.17 - On High Banana Peel alert!
i have more complex plan than that
be wary of any birthday gifts from missouri...
Pretty sure with your attitude , you probably have more to worry about than just Missouri. Man are you ever narrow minded.
My suggestion for you is to not click on threads with clone in the title. Nothing good will come of it.....
Quote from: maxwellwedge on January 16, 2012, 08:13:26 PM
:o
only funning daddy i would never hurt u or wish u harm boy that natasha is hot :smilielol: :drool5: :drool5:
The "clone" debate will always rage on, whether it be about artwork, antiques, cars etc, etc,....IMHO it boils down to those who let mystique, emotion, elitist attitude, etc that want claim to owning or possessing an individual uniqueness,.....those who want cloned items seek a desire also, yes some want bragging rites among the above mentioned elite, some just the desire to have whats denied them because of their financial restrictions,.....and then there's the ones that see no sense in spending wasted money on something that can be had at a substantially reduced price by building/buying a clone,...plus it's tailored to one's liking, rather than settling for "less"
The "purists" will always look down on the "cloned", because it dilutes their sense of entitlement sub consciously, or consciously....now I can see a purist having issues if a clone is poorly done, and reflects badly, I have issues with any vehicle done poorly, "original" or not
Personally when I clone a vehicle, and I've done many over the decades for myself and customers, it's for the desire to own/build/create that particular vehicle because it appeals to me/them, like many others do, or create a vehicle that never existed before...cloning allows one to have their cake and eat it too...something which is hard for the "purists" to swallow, or perhaps fathom
Some are allured or trapped by the so-called "historical value" of a vehicle, and feel it should be left "untouched",...in my practice, I've "destroyed" countless vehicles by parting them out (hundreds over the decades) or cloning them into other marques,.... base models, V codes, U codes meant/mean nothing...again my opinion they're just machines to modify to suite ones taste/desire
mike
(http://i273.photobucket.com/albums/jj215/A383Wing/GIF%20Icons/smiley-signs013.gif)
Imitation is the sincerest form of flattery ...... 'nuff said ... :2thumbs:
Mike,
explain what "have ones cake and eating too" means?
I own a factory built Superbird(couldnt bring myself to say real :smilielol:) and drive it. Or should I say WILL drive it as soon as it back together. There are some funny thoughts in this thread for sure! One day Ill see my first clone. :nana:
Quote from: FJ5WING on January 17, 2012, 09:53:51 AM
Mike,
explain what "have ones cake and eating too" means?
I own a factory built Superbird(couldnt bring myself to say real :smilielol:) and drive it. Or should I say WILL drive it as soon as it back together. There are some funny thoughts in this thread for sure! One day Ill see my first clone. :nana:
All I know is that I have a clone and Im just as proud as can be. I love the car.
This is definitely a case of the have-nots putting thoughts into the minds of the haves.
I have Porsche 944's, including a Turbo S. I have one for a DD/winter car with snow tires on it--I really do live the motto "Porsche everyday." The Turbo S is a rocket, and was one of the fastest, best handling cars of its era. It's widely overlooked, though, because it's not a 911. I absolutely love the cars, especially the turbo.
That said, 944 people can be annoying. it's like they're stuck with the automotive equivalent of short guy syndrome. Best part? 911 people don't care OR look down on them. It's all perception from the bottom up.
Quote from: 1HotDaytona on January 17, 2012, 10:17:35 AM
Quote from: FJ5WING on January 17, 2012, 09:53:51 AM
Mike,
explain what "have ones cake and eating too" means?
I own a factory built Superbird(couldnt bring myself to say real :smilielol:) and drive it. Or should I say WILL drive it as soon as it back together. There are some funny thoughts in this thread for sure! One day Ill see my first clone. :nana:
All I know is that I have a clone and Im just as proud as can be. I love the car.
when your tired of it i'll take it :icon_smile_big: I like jasons color better but your is a close second :nana:
Quote from: djcarguy on January 16, 2012, 03:29:14 PM
sure would be a boring world without clones, as the real ones are rarely seen or driven anymore.DJ
Please note, real wing cars being driven in the rain. :smilielol:
Parked in a tiny rain shower,,,,only because that was the 1 time a year they left the garage . allready out for a event and got hit by a big bad sprinkle??? that sure proves they are out and driven,,i guess???dj
Quote from: FJ5WING on January 17, 2012, 09:53:51 AM
Mike,
explain what "have ones cake and eating too" means?
I own a factory built Superbird(couldnt bring myself to say real :smilielol:) and drive it. Or should I say WILL drive it as soon as it back together. There are some funny thoughts in this thread for sure! One day Ill see my first clone. :nana:
Dave, Just what Brian said,..".he has a clone and enjoys it",...thus,.. he has his "cake" and "eats' it too....old say'in, maybe before your time?
The comparison I was making, is with most guys holding out for an "original" either they're waiting for the "right" car to surface, or waiting to build the cash reserve, and they sometimes settle for what's avaliable...where as the "clone guy" builds what he wants, how he wants, when he wants,...often enjoying it years before the guy holding out for an "original" to surface,...in the end the "clone guy" is "having his cake, and eating it too"...kinda like when I do this :nana:
Mike
Quote from: moparstuart on January 16, 2012, 11:22:55 PM
Quote from: maxwellwedge on January 16, 2012, 08:13:26 PM
:o
only funning daddy i would never hurt u or wish u harm boy that natasha is hot :smilielol: :drool5: :drool5:
Yes.....And Betty Rubble too! :lol:
Quote from: djcarguy on January 16, 2012, 03:29:14 PM
sure would be a boring world without clones, as the real ones are rarely seen or driven anymore.DJ
as limited production vehicles, it stands to reason they would rarely be seen over forty years later. heck, they were rarely seen, even when new. you don't often see any forty year old car, even models produced in the thousands, on the street anymore.
it is still amazing the backlash resulting from one simple question. in the time since then, two of those in disagreement with my view have called me negative and narrow minded. character assessments? seriously? although i find it interesting one of them is a moderator on this forum, i assume his comment was made solely from an opposing viewpoint, rather than as an official stance. if it was a warning, i missed it. either way, i stand by my opinion.
i do not expect anyone who supports the opposing point of view to see mine as having any merit. however, i did expect the debate to focus on the topic at hand, and not turn into a pissing match. clone supporters have been quite vocal, and even i do not summarily dismiss their opinions. i also appreciate the fine craftsmanship that several of them have demonstrated in creating a vehicle that must measure up to no one's standard but their own.
while i expected dissent from the clone supporters, the general silence from the other side speaks just as loudly to me. i am less diplomatic than most, and do not apologize for that. even so, had i not asked the question to begin with, this thread would not have over 1300 views. now i share responsibilty for promoting the very thing i am so against. that bothers me far more than anything else, since this thread would be well on its way to obscurity.
nice pic of wings in the rain. :2thumbs:
stu, if all these people die, you will have a monopoly on winged cars. :2thumbs:
held, the thing that makes this place fun is the difference of opinion.if not, most threads on here would have 2-4 lines then die. everyone would agree,and move on. i too am shocked that you are left standing alone on your island when others surely agree with at least some if not most of your points. mabey they just dont want to get involved. :shruggy:i have accepted to agree to disagree. :2thumbs:
Quote from: nvrbdn on January 17, 2012, 01:33:51 PM
...i too am shocked that you are left standing alone on your island
that is sort of funny, since i took it as exactly the opposite. perhaps i truly am clueless, eh...
i should add that my original question, while quoting you, was intended more as a general statement than to single you out. i apologize for any misinterpretation.
Quote from: djcarguy on January 17, 2012, 12:08:29 PM
Parked in a tiny rain shower,,,,only because that was the 1 time a year they left the garage . allready out for a event and got hit by a big bad sprinkle??? that sure proves they are out and driven,,i guess???dj
it all depends on the owner !! I have a friend and during the summer we are at usually a cruise and also a car show every weekend . He has several aero cars and is alway driving them :Twocents: While we are on that subject he has one of every aero car ( including the ford and mercury versions ) and he is also still slowly building a clone Too !!
Not long after driving through TORRENTIAL rain in Cleveland. We're talking rivers running across the road rain.
Quoteeven so, had i not asked the question to begin with, this thread would not have over 1300 views.
I think Bigblocksam's orginal post about a "superbird clone" is the reason there is 1300 hundred views. Alot of people are interested in these aero cars...even the clones :o Heck, the post about superbird interior colors has almost as many views too.
I've met a few aerocar owners over the years, and most have been great guys, but a few have been arrogant, and a few have even been arrogant to another aerocar owner...until the found out he had a real Daytona...then he was "accepted".... ::)
Personally, I like clones, and I am currently building a 500 clone...the way I want it. I can also appreciate the prestige that goes along with owning a "real" one too. I think anyone into these cars WANTS a "real" one. But I'll never forget a few years back at a major mopar show I was taking some reference picts of a newly restored 500. I was talking to the owner (dont remember his name anymore) about his car and mentioned I was building a 500 clone. He looked at me like I was an idiot and said "A clone?!?!? Why don't you just buy a real one?!?!" That really left a sour taste in my mouth.
Not everyone has a gazzilion dollars, or has a family member that was into these cars back when they were new, or may have been around back then to buy one new and still own it. Some of us are "regular guys" with wives, and kids, and mortgages, and clones are the only way into "aero car" ownership...
...and even though I was fortunate enough to buy a "real" 500 project a couple years ago, I'm still gonna build my clone and have fun with it, as I am more "emotionally attached" to that Charger since I've owned it close to 20 yrs...and if time and money permit it, I'll restore the real one later...
More Aero Cars getting wet after being driven 60 miles in the rain.
Quote from: Aero426 on January 17, 2012, 02:15:19 PM
More Aero Cars getting wet after being driven 60 miles in the rain.
hey rutledge buy some new jeans :smilielol:
Quote from: djcarguy on January 17, 2012, 12:08:29 PM
Parked in a tiny rain shower,,,,only because that was the 1 time a year they left the garage . allready out for a event and got hit by a big bad sprinkle??? that sure proves they are out and driven,,i guess???dj
Shut up and go away. I don't care about the bubble you live in but I'm tired of it bouncing here.
"These cars never get driven," but when you are shown PROOF otherwise, you choose to mock? Are you that stuck on your stupid idea? Yeah, we all sat around thinking, "hey, some moron who wants to turn a Dart into a Daytona might join some message board someday and question whether wing cars are driven in the rain. Better take some pics to prove him wrong!" Trust me, you're not that relevant.
Do I go LOOKING for an opportunity to drive the 'birds in the rain? Obviously not, genius. Then again, I don't want to drive ANY 40 year old car in the rain! I prefer decent wipers, decent lights, stopping distances not measured in astronomical units, etc.
Do I drive it to work every day? No, for much of the same reasons I just listed. Keep in mind, I HAVE A CLONE, and I don't drive that one to work every day, either! Name someone you know that drives a muscle car, real or not, every damn day. I don't. 12MPG, lousy handling, bad radios, windows that don't seal, vinyl seats...I'll have my 944, thanks. I did that when I was 18 and don't want to do it again. Do you drive a Dart every day? i did, for three years, rain, sun or snow.
In 2009, I drove to Talladega for the third time. It rained both ways. I took it home and sent it to a body shop. I got it back this summer the day of the Indy meet, and drove it home at 5:30AM in a DOWNPOUR. Shit happens. It rained every day we were at the meet, too. We had 25 wings at the meet out at various times, and Indy had close to 100 cars. No one escaped the rain.
This year's meet in Cleveland was soaked, and I'm pretty sure WE had the only clone, and we left it at home one day in favor of a real, numbers matching Petty Blue 'bird!
I can't speak for people who don't drive their wing cars. I don't understand why they don't take them out more, but more often than not they have more than just a wing and don't drive those, either.
Quote from: djcarguy on January 17, 2012, 12:08:29 PM
Parked in a tiny rain shower,,,,only because that was the 1 time a year they left the garage . allready out for a event and got hit by a big bad sprinkle??? that sure proves they are out and driven,,i guess???dj
That picture was taken in Milwaukee. I drove the car there, as did many others. Sure is a long way to go to prove you can get a 'bird wet!
Quote from: DAY CLONA on January 17, 2012, 12:24:15 PM
Dave, Just what Brian said,..".he has a clone and enjoys it",...thus,.. he has his "cake" and "eats' it too....old say'in, maybe before your time?
funny...I enjoy the real Superbirds here much more than I enjoy the fake Daytona here. I doubt you'll find many original wing car owners suffering through their ownership.
Quote from: richRTSE on January 17, 2012, 02:08:00 PM
Quoteeven so, had i not asked the question to begin with, this thread would not have over 1300 views.
I think Bigblocksam's orginal post about a "superbird clone" is the reason there is 1300 hundred views....
the intent of the original post died with reply #8. that is why i'm kicking myself in the ass for the ninth one..
yes you can get caught in the rain with a real superbird and daytona . you don't drive a real one as much as you drive a replica . there just worth to much . what if a stupid person runs a stop sign and destroys your real 440 6pack superbird . that's destroying history.
my truck was in the body shop for a month . i used my daytona replica every day . went to shoprite , gym , everywhere . left it in the parking lot for hours (it has an alarm)
i would never do that with a real one . you can't there just worth to much .
you show a picture or two in the rain, that's cool ,you where on a club run or going to a show and it rained. with my replica i've looked out the window and it was raining and took the daytona out . wouldn't do that with a real one. show me that you put 5 or 6 thousand miles on it a year and not just going to far away shows . driving it like a car. i got 6k miles on my daytona this year . no shows no cruise with the club . just driving her like a car .
doing donuts, burnouts , drag raced . high speed runs. there fun cars replicas . cause you don't have to worry . if it gets f-ed up . i'll savage what i can and build another . no history or pedigree lost . :Twocents:
Parked in a tiny rain shower,,,,only because that was the 1 time a year they left the garage . allready out for a event and got hit by a big bad sprinkle??? that sure proves they are out and driven,,i guess???dj
That picture was taken in Milwaukee. I drove the car there, as did many others. Sure is a long way to go to prove you can get a 'bird wet!
====================================================================================== west coast haven't seen a real wing car out or at shows for 10 years?????saw 2 clones,1 to 5 hours from thier homes driving and enjoying thier cars.
SO do you own this charger site?????? why dont you shut the hell up and go drive your wing car and even better your almighty prefuct 944, volks wagon......bye ,,could'nt see the kidding in big bad sprinkle?? :nana: :nana: :nana:
Quote from: djcarguy on January 17, 2012, 03:55:48 PM
Parked in a tiny rain shower,,,,only because that was the 1 time a year they left the garage . allready out for a event and got hit by a big bad sprinkle??? that sure proves they are out and driven,,i guess???dj
That picture was taken in Milwaukee. I drove the car there, as did many others. Sure is a long way to go to prove you can get a 'bird wet!
====================================================================================== west coast haven seen a real wing car out or at shows for 10 years?????saw 2 clones,1 to 5 hours from there home driving and enjoying there cars.
so do you own this charger site?????? why dont you shut the hell up and go drive your wing car and even better your almighty prefuct 944, volks wagon......bye ,,could'nt see the kidding in big bad sprinkle?? :nana: :nana: :nana:
you've now gone from making mostly no sense to making no sense at all. I don't see any ships from the Chinese Navy cruising around, so they must not have one. I don't see fighter planes except at air shows, so the Air Force must only use them for exhibitions. i don't see Giraffes except at the zoo, so they must not otherwise exist.
if you've NEVER seen a wing car out, you really don't go to many Mopar shows. With a 200 car turnout at least one USUALLY shows...
Quote from: BigBlockSam on January 17, 2012, 03:31:58 PM
yes you can get caught in the rain with a real superbird and daytona . you don't drive a real one as much as you drive a replica .
we have a:
real superbird
real superbird
fake daytona
I'll drive the real birds over the fake daytona any day. after a while, "is that real?" gets annoying :lol:
Quote from: pettybird on January 17, 2012, 04:05:03 PM
Quote from: BigBlockSam on January 17, 2012, 03:31:58 PM
yes you can get caught in the rain with a real superbird and daytona . you don't drive a real one as much as you drive a replica .
we have a:
real superbird
real superbird
fake daytona
I'll drive the real birds over the fake daytona any day. after a while, "is that real?" gets annoying :lol:
but i heard you love PINK more :nana:
Quote from: pettybird on January 17, 2012, 04:05:03 PM
Quote from: BigBlockSam on January 17, 2012, 03:31:58 PM
yes you can get caught in the rain with a real superbird and daytona . you don't drive a real one as much as you drive a replica .
we have a:
real superbird
real superbird
fake daytona
I'll drive the real birds over the fake daytona any day. after a while, "is that real?" gets annoying :lol:
But, How often do they ask if there your moms?
Man,I just cant stand the better than everyone else additude that this thread has brought out. .....................
Quote from: pettybird on January 17, 2012, 02:59:36 PM
Quote from: djcarguy on January 17, 2012, 12:08:29 PM
Parked in a tiny rain shower,,,,only because that was the 1 time a year they left the garage . allready out for a event and got hit by a big bad sprinkle??? that sure proves they are out and driven,,i guess???dj
That picture was taken in Milwaukee. I drove the car there, as did many others. Sure is a long way to go to prove you can get a 'bird wet!
I have to admit that I like to see all Mopars, real, clone, or otherwise.
I am however, fortunate enough to own a factory built Superbird and do drive it to long distance meets, to local shows, even to Lowes if I need a gallon of paint sometimes! Is it a daily driver no, But I'm not afraid to drive the car....IT's just a car. If it's wrecked or damaged I'll fix it.
In the rainy picture from Milwaukee that may be my B5 car in the line. It seemed like it rained that whole meet. And here is another pic most of you have seen before, Yes My "Real" superbird has even been caught in the SNOW! I just get tired of being cast as an "Aero Snob" because I have a Superbird. I'm pretty proud of my slant six Demon too. I just don't see the where the sniping is coming from, my "real" car will probably never be as "nice" of a car as some of the clones discussed on this Forum (look at 1Hotdaytonas car - mine will Never be that nice)! Some of these clones are beautiful cars and very well put together, as long as they are not sold as "original" cars when it comes time to sell, Who cares?
Here the Daytona is making a trip to the City of Milwaukee dump to dispose of waste oil and to pick up an empty propane cylinder.
(http://www.superbirdclub.com/files/daytona_dump1.jpg)
Quote from: 70Sbird on January 17, 2012, 04:58:15 PM
Quote from: pettybird on January 17, 2012, 02:59:36 PM
Quote from: djcarguy on January 17, 2012, 12:08:29 PM
Parked in a tiny rain shower,,,,only because that was the 1 time a year they left the garage . allready out for a event and got hit by a big bad sprinkle??? that sure proves they are out and driven,,i guess???dj
That picture was taken in Milwaukee. I drove the car there, as did many others. Sure is a long way to go to prove you can get a 'bird wet!
I have to admit that I like to see all Mopars, real, clone, or otherwise.
I am however, fortunate enough to own a factory built Superbird and do drive it to long distance meets, to local shows, even to Lowes if I need a gallon of paint sometimes! Is it a daily driver no, But I'm not afraid to drive the car....IT's just a car. If it's wrecked or damaged I'll fix it.
In the rainy picture from Milwaukee that may be my B5 car in the line. It seemed like it rained that whole meet. And here is another pic most of you have seen before, Yes My "Real" superbird has even been caught in the SNOW! I just get tired of being cast as an "Aero Snob" because I have a Superbird. I'm pretty proud of my slant six Demon too. I just don't see the where the sniping is coming from, my "real" car will probably never be as "nice" of a car as some of the clones discussed on this Forum! Some of these clones are beautiful cars and very well put together, as long as they are not sold as "original" cars when it comes time to sell, Who cares?
I dont consider you one of those superbird snobs I just conside you one of those snobbie corvette owners :nana: :nana: :nana: :nana: :nana: :nana: :nana: :nana: :nana:
it's time....
:dancinglock:
Quote from: 1HotDaytona on January 17, 2012, 04:52:13 PM
Quote from: pettybird on January 17, 2012, 04:05:03 PM
Quote from: BigBlockSam on January 17, 2012, 03:31:58 PM
yes you can get caught in the rain with a real superbird and daytona . you don't drive a real one as much as you drive a replica .
we have a:
real superbird
real superbird
fake daytona
I'll drive the real birds over the fake daytona any day. after a while, "is that real?" gets annoying :lol:
But, How often do they ask if there your moms?
Man,I just cant stand the better than everyone else additude that this thread has brought out. .....................
telling grown men that the cars belong to my mother? it's priceless. you can't even imagine. my friends like telling people they're my mom's cars just to see the reaction! If I don't feel like making conversation I tell people it's mine. it's no secret who holds the titles, and I don't have a problem with it.
the only one who sees 'better than thou' attitudes are the ones with clones. sorry you don't see it that way.
--real wing cars don't get driven
--real wing car owners are jerks
--real wing car owners this and that
we drive our cars, I'm not THAT big of a jerk, etc.
Quote from: moparstuart on January 17, 2012, 05:07:12 PM
I dont consider you one of those superbird snobs I just conside you one of those snobbie corvette owners :nana: :nana: :nana: :nana: :nana: :nana: :nana: :nana: :nana:
[/quote]
Now It's Game on!
You Ragtop cloner!
:nana:
Off to do a little shopping.
Quote from: 70Sbird on January 17, 2012, 05:16:23 PM
Quote from: moparstuart on January 17, 2012, 05:07:12 PM
I dont consider you one of those superbird snobs I just conside you one of those snobbie corvette owners :nana: :nana: :nana: :nana: :nana: :nana: :nana: :nana: :nana:
Now It's Game on!
You Ragtop cloner!
:nana:
[/quote] even tho its obvious i still get the question ( IS IT REAL ) :yesnod: :smilielol:
Quote from: moparstuart on January 17, 2012, 05:07:12 PM
I dont consider you one of those superbird snobs I just conside you one of those snobbie corvette owners :nana: :nana: :nana: :nana: :nana: :nana: :nana: :nana: :nana:
I also tend to distrust a man with 400lb wire wheel covers.
Quote from: pettybird on January 17, 2012, 05:29:34 PM
Quote from: moparstuart on January 17, 2012, 05:07:12 PM
I dont consider you one of those superbird snobs I just conside you one of those snobbie corvette owners :nana: :nana: :nana: :nana: :nana: :nana: :nana: :nana: :nana:
I also tend to distrust a man with 400lb wire wheel covers.
:yesnod: :yesnod: :yesnod: :yesnod: :yesnod: :icon_smile_big: plus peoria Illinois :rotz: :rotz:
Quote from: pettybird on January 17, 2012, 05:29:34 PM
Quote from: moparstuart on January 17, 2012, 05:07:12 PM
I dont consider you one of those superbird snobs I just conside you one of those snobbie corvette owners :nana: :nana: :nana: :nana: :nana: :nana: :nana: :nana: :nana:
I also tend to distrust a man with 400lb wire wheel covers.
And mind you that's per wheel!
I sure wish I has something better - like a gently used set of Torque Thrusts!
:scratchchin:
Quote from: Aero426 on January 17, 2012, 05:18:04 PM
Off to do a little shopping.
Kohl's...there's your wing car snobbery right there.
I could fill a photo album full of all the pictures of our cars at walmarts :lol:
the #1 'I did this in a wing car' story belongs to Rick Edwards, who removed his passenger seat to bring home potted TREES.
my #1 story was driving the automatic transmission for the B5 'bird to the rebuilders on the passenger seat of the Petty car.
my #2 story would be abandoning the cooler in Charlotte because my Petty-autographed race tire wouldn't fit for the ride home!
Quote from: moparstuart on January 17, 2012, 05:32:01 PM
Quote from: pettybird on January 17, 2012, 05:29:34 PM
Quote from: moparstuart on January 17, 2012, 05:07:12 PM
I dont consider you one of those superbird snobs I just conside you one of those snobbie corvette owners :nana: :nana: :nana: :nana: :nana: :nana: :nana: :nana: :nana:
I also tend to distrust a man with 400lb wire wheel covers.
:yesnod: :yesnod: :yesnod: :yesnod: :yesnod: :icon_smile_big: plus peoria Illinois :rotz: :rotz:
I must REALLY like working on his 'bird!
Quote from: pettybird on January 17, 2012, 05:36:05 PM
Quote from: moparstuart on January 17, 2012, 05:32:01 PM
Quote from: pettybird on January 17, 2012, 05:29:34 PM
Quote from: moparstuart on January 17, 2012, 05:07:12 PM
I dont consider you one of those superbird snobs I just conside you one of those snobbie corvette owners :nana: :nana: :nana: :nana: :nana: :nana: :nana: :nana: :nana:
I also tend to distrust a man with 400lb wire wheel covers.
:yesnod: :yesnod: :yesnod: :yesnod: :yesnod: :icon_smile_big: plus peoria Illinois :rotz: :rotz:
I must REALLY like working on his 'bird!
Hey, It only breaks down when I drive it to out of state DSAC meets!
Ok, the in-state ones too, I forgot about Litchfield in 2005!
Quote from: pettybird on January 17, 2012, 05:33:13 PM
Quote from: Aero426 on January 17, 2012, 05:18:04 PM
Off to do a little shopping.
Kohl's...there's your wing car snobbery right there.
I could fill a photo album full of all the pictures of our cars at walmarts :lol:
the #1 'I did this in a wing car' story belongs to Rick Edwards, who removed his passenger seat to bring home potted TREES.
my #1 story was driving the automatic transmission for the B5 'bird to the rebuilders on the passenger seat of the Petty car.
my #2 story would be abandoning the cooler in Charlotte because my Petty-autographed race tire wouldn't fit for the ride home!
Not everyone should be lumped into that. The ones who are acting like they are better for having an authentic aero car know who they are.
Truth be know , Id love to have a real Daytona, But until I can afford the price that goes with a HEMI 4 speed xx car I will be tickled with what I have.
Quote from: pettybird on January 17, 2012, 05:36:05 PM
Quote from: moparstuart on January 17, 2012, 05:32:01 PM
Quote from: pettybird on January 17, 2012, 05:29:34 PM
Quote from: moparstuart on January 17, 2012, 05:07:12 PM
I dont consider you one of those superbird snobs I just conside you one of those snobbie corvette owners :nana: :nana: :nana: :nana: :nana: :nana: :nana: :nana: :nana:
I also tend to distrust a man with 400lb wire wheel covers.
:yesnod: :yesnod: :yesnod: :yesnod: :yesnod: :icon_smile_big: plus peoria Illinois :rotz: :rotz:
I must REALLY like working on his 'bird!
the tackle box of love :icon_smile_big:
Quote from: Aero426 on January 17, 2012, 05:06:54 PM
Here the Daytona is making a trip to the City of Milwaukee dump to dispose of waste oil and to pick up an empty propane cylinder.
(http://www.superbirdclub.com/files/daytona_dump1.jpg)
Hey!! :o
Quote from: Aero426 on January 17, 2012, 05:18:04 PM
Off to do a little shopping.
hey aero426, sorry for askin if everyone else already knows, but what are you towing with the car?
Quote from: maxwellwedge on January 17, 2012, 06:33:21 PM
Quote from: Aero426 on January 17, 2012, 05:06:54 PM
Here the Daytona is making a trip to the City of Milwaukee dump to dispose of waste oil and to pick up an empty propane cylinder.
(http://www.superbirdclub.com/files/daytona_dump1.jpg)
Hey!! :o
"Jim, your mission if you choose to accept it, is to top this photo by hooking up a utility trailer full of brush or junk.
This tape will self destruct in five seconds..."
:2thumbs:
:lol: :scratchchin:
aero426, i luv the picture of your car in the parking lot , kinda gave me a chubby . you and the 70Sbird ,covered in snow are a rare breed . not many driver wing cars left . most have been restored to death. :cheers:
QuoteMan,I just cant stand the better than everyone else additude that this thread has brought out. .....................
:yesnod:i don't get it
Quote from: BigBlockSam on January 17, 2012, 07:00:56 PM
aero426, i luv the picture of your car in the parking lot , kinda gave me a chubby . you and the 70Sbird ,covered in snow are a rare breed . not many driver wing cars left . most have been restored to death. :cheers:
Thank you. Unfortunately for me, the Daytona not in my garage anymore. But I hear it is getting good care and isn't getting restored any time soon.
Quote from: Aero426 on January 17, 2012, 07:06:27 PM
Quote from: BigBlockSam on January 17, 2012, 07:00:56 PM
aero426, i luv the picture of your car in the parking lot , kinda gave me a chubby . you and the 70Sbird ,covered in snow are a rare breed . not many driver wing cars left . most have been restored to death. :cheers:
Thank you. Unfortunately for me, the Daytona not in my garage anymore. But I hear it is getting good care and isn't getting restored any time soon.
I heard the same thing!
Quote from: maxwellwedge on January 17, 2012, 07:09:38 PM
Quote from: Aero426 on January 17, 2012, 07:06:27 PM
Quote from: BigBlockSam on January 17, 2012, 07:00:56 PM
aero426, i luv the picture of your car in the parking lot , kinda gave me a chubby . you and the 70Sbird ,covered in snow are a rare breed . not many driver wing cars left . most have been restored to death. :cheers:
Thank you. Unfortunately for me, the Daytona not in my garage anymore. But I hear it is getting good care and isn't getting restored any time soon.
maybe someday :popcrn:
I heard the same thing!
Maybe
maybe someday :popcrn:
Quote from: DAY CLONA on January 17, 2012, 12:09:11 AM
The "clone" debate will always rage on, whether it be about artwork, antiques, cars etc, etc,....IMHO it boils down to those who let mystique, emotion, elitist attitude, etc that want claim to owning or possessing an individual uniqueness,.....those who want cloned items seek a desire also, yes some want bragging rites among the above mentioned elite, some just the desire to have whats denied them because of their financial restrictions,.....and then there's the ones that see no sense in spending wasted money on something that can be had at a substantially reduced price by building/buying a clone,...plus it's tailored to one's liking, rather than settling for "less"
The "purists" will always look down on the "cloned", because it dilutes their sense of entitlement sub consciously, or consciously....now I can see a purist having issues if a clone is poorly done, and reflects badly, I have issues with any vehicle done poorly, "original" or not
Personally when I clone a vehicle, and I've done many over the decades for myself and customers, it's for the desire to own/build/create that particular vehicle because it appeals to me/them, like many others do, or create a vehicle that never existed before...cloning allows one to have their cake and eat it too...something which is hard for the "purists" to swallow, or perhaps fathom
Some are allured or trapped by the so-called "historical value" of a vehicle, and feel it should be left "untouched",...in my practice, I've "destroyed" countless vehicles by parting them out (hundreds over the decades) or cloning them into other marques,.... base models, V codes, U codes meant/mean nothing...again my opinion they're just machines to modify to suite ones taste/desire
mike
even though i have an original.... i would consider one of your creations because they are artwork unto themselves.
Quote from: rainbow4jd on January 16, 2012, 01:32:12 PM
Wing Car collectors can be real pissers at times when it comes to impressing people with the originality, uniqueness, and enviability of THEIR car....
"Mine still has the original air in the tires"
"I have the original paperwork from when the assembly line tech went to the bathroom"
"That sealed jar on the back decklid has the original exhaust fumes from when it first started"
"My car has minus 2,700 original miles, because I drove it backwards from the day I got it"
"I've got a correctly date coded traffic ticket for parking too close to a fire hydrant because the nose overhung the parking space line."
"I have a photo of Richard Petty looking at a magazine which references a Burger Hut in Flatrock, Michigan where the lead designer for the Superbird once stopped to use the men's room AND I have a receipt for a hamburger from that same restaurant dated November 1969."
"The actual build date for my car was in reality 10,000 B.C. because the Star Trek Episode about Time Travel was broadcast on the day my car was supposed to be built, but because of the time travel effect it caused by car to be built about 10,000 years earlier. And you can see I have a TV guide from 1969 to prove it."
"My build sheet was actually rolled up and used to roll joints with in 1970, but I managed to rescue the ashes and I've spent 40 years piecing it back together one ash piece at a time."
PS I didn't make those up.... they are all things that are true about my car.
i never thought i would have to bump my own post to shed light on this entire thread! Sheesh, get over it already. The only person that anyone should be pissed off at is a person who represents a clone as an original (because their is a dollar difference in the value) but there is no difference in enjoyment. (Maybe that's what ticks off some of tehe original owners - a guy with a replica is having more fun than they are.) Fun is a state of mind! I don't drive my car, because I can't afford to wreck it. But I still have a ton of fun!
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dj, don't confuse yourself along with me. YOU wrote the comment about stress, i was just trying to decipher it.
and if i ever own an aero car, i will be ALL about entitlement. that, and gucci watches.
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Quote from: pettybird on January 17, 2012, 05:15:23 PM
Quote from: 1HotDaytona on January 17, 2012, 04:52:13 PM
Quote from: pettybird on January 17, 2012, 04:05:03 PM
Quote from: BigBlockSam on January 17, 2012, 03:31:58 PM
yes you can get caught in the rain with a real superbird and daytona . you don't drive a real one as much as you drive a replica .
we have a:
real superbird
real superbird
fake daytona
I'll drive the real birds over the fake daytona any day. after a while, "is that real?" gets annoying :lol:
But, How often do they ask if there your moms?
Man,I just cant stand the better than everyone else additude that this thread has brought out. .....................
telling grown men that the cars belong to my mother? it's priceless. you can't even imagine. my friends like telling people they're my mom's cars just to see the reaction! If I don't feel like making conversation I tell people it's mine. it's no secret who holds the titles, and I don't have a problem with it.
the only one who sees 'better than thou' attitudes are the ones with clones. sorry you don't see it that way.
--real wing cars don't get driven
--real wing car owners are jerks
--real wing car owners this and that
we drive our cars, I'm not THAT big of a jerk, etc.
I have something to say. I owned a genuine factory built Superbird at one point in my life (drove it daily for 2 years in the mid 90s). I now own a "clone" or "replica" if you will. EVERY wingcar owner I have ever had the pleasure of discussing my favorite car with has been a pure pleasure with no attitude what-so-ever. The rough generalizations are inaccurate.
Now let me get this straight. The guys who are throwing the biggest stones here dont actually own a wing car???!!! :rofl: :lol: :smilielol:
And this is a real one and it sat where you see if for over two weeks because of three days of rain,couldn't get it out.Guess what,didn't hurt it one bit,they won't melt ! :icon_smile_big:
And this is why clones get beat on !
http://www.dodgecharger.com/forum/index.php/topic,77890.msg935994.html#msg935994
From guess who !!
OH COME ON ALREADY :RantExplode: I have been a member of this site for a few years now.It is a great site with great people.But how many times are we going to beat this poor dead horse?I see this come up at least twice a year.GUYS...REAL OR NOT REAL SHOULD ONLY MATTER TO THE PERSON WHO OWNS IT!And if you dont even own one what the HELL does it matter to you? :rotz:
I agree with rainbow4jd, real? clone? who cares, it all depends on what you want and are happy with, the problem I have is the people, like others have said, that make their car out to be something it's not. "this is one of one becasue a guy named larry installed the muffler clamps on a tuesday" -- thats a bunch of crap. There's a guy around me that has a orange clone bird. Ok, it's a decent car and I'm sure it's fun, but it doesn't have the correct rear window, it's a post car, but at least they are painted orange, and he's used blocks of wood to prop up the headlight doors. But unless you're knowledgeable, he'll pass it off as real. When he's at shows, I don't knock the car or "challenge" him about it's originiality, I would just walk by and say " nice car". I've only talked to the guy twice and won't any more because he wanted to be a big shot in front of his friends and tried to make it out like I wanted to buy his car! Perhaps he was jealous because I had an AAR? I don't know, but I don't think anybody should knock anybodys car. Now if someone is being a stuck up douche bag, then put them in their place. I saw Danes car when I was in oregon at the shop thats doing mine, and Danes was awesome. When mines done, i wish i could afford to have Dane do one of his seamless nose cars for me. Hummm... candy plum crazy with white pearl stripes coming from the door indents blending to a white wing, 440 with a tunnel ram and 2 4's (can't afford a blower) lol It's all about what you want. I'm sure when my car is done, there will be some that will knock this or knock that, say that the Graveyard Carz shop should have done it this way or that. I'm simply viewing it this way. My car isn't the best to start with, to some it's just another r4 440 automatic, the original front was missing as is the motor and tranny, the floors are getting replaced as is the trunk, etc, etc, but as a single divorced guy raisng two kids, it's all I could afford and was lucky enough to get it. At least I'm saving a real one and who can knock that?
Quote from: wingcarenvy on January 18, 2012, 02:24:29 AM
Now let me get this straight. The guys who are throwing the biggest stones here dont actually own a wing car???!!! :rofl: :lol: :smilielol:
my lack of ownership plays hell on the clone crowd's "sense of entitlement" reasoning, doesn't it? if you read closer, my opinion applies to cloning ANY car, not just winged ones. am i trying to change anyone else's opinion? no. can mine be changed? no.
Quote from: dreamcatcher on January 18, 2012, 09:16:38 AM
... if you dont even own one what the HELL does it matter to you? :rotz:
ask that same question of anyone who goes to an event expecting to see authentic cars.
with 122 replies since the clone in the subject line was mentioned, it appears this thread is a little off target. like someone mentioned, the clone debate is like beating a dead horse. lock the thread, and let's move on.
Quote from: 62 Max on January 18, 2012, 09:13:28 AM
And this is why clones get beat on !
http://www.dodgecharger.com/forum/index.php/topic,77890.msg935994.html#msg935994
From guess who !!======================================================================================
WHO WOULD THAT BEEE??? A GUY THAT IS NOT EVEN DOING A CLONE,BUT A WHAT IF WING CAR???? A GUY THAT HAS ONLY BEEN ON HERE OR ANY SITE,FOR JUST OVER A YEAR???
A GUY THAT LOVES MOST ALL CARS,MOPAR ,CHEVY,AND FORD LINES??? A GUY WHO ONLY LOOKS AT OR CHECK A VIN# IF HE IS BUYING THE CAR???? HAVE A GREAT DAY AND BUILD WHAT YOU WANT,HOW YOU WANT IT..DJCARGUY
Quote from: djcarguy on January 18, 2012, 10:23:53 AM
.....A GUY THAT IS NOT EVEN DOING A CLONE,BUT A WHAT IF CAR....
let me point out the header of this forum
DodgeCharger.com Forum > Discussion Boards >
Aero Cars the "what-if" car section is down the hall
Quote from: held1823 on January 18, 2012, 10:28:53 AM
Quote from: djcarguy on January 18, 2012, 10:23:53 AM
.....A GUY THAT IS NOT EVEN DOING A CLONE,BUT A WHAT IF CAR....
let me point out the header of this forum
DodgeCharger.com Forum > Discussion Boards > Aero Cars
the "what-if" car section is down the hall=======================================================
THANKS FOR THE INFO,HAHAHHAHA :nana: :nana: :nana: :nana: :nana: WHY DONT YOU AND YOUR DEAD HORSE GO SMELL UP ANOTHER THREAD???? :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :nana: :nana: :nana: :Twocents:
Quote from: held1823 on January 18, 2012, 09:49:04 AM
Quote from: wingcarenvy on January 18, 2012, 02:24:29 AM
Now let me get this straight. The guys who are throwing the biggest stones here dont actually own a wing car???!!! :rofl: :lol: :smilielol:
my lack of ownership plays hell on the clone crowd's "sense of entitlement" reasoning, doesn't it? if you read closer, my opinion applies to cloning ANY car, not just winged ones. am i trying to change anyone else's opinion? no. can mine be changed? no.
Quote from: dreamcatcher on January 18, 2012, 09:16:38 AM
... if you dont even own one what the HELL does it matter to you? :rotz:
ask that same question of anyone who goes to an event expecting to see authentic cars.
with 122 replies since the clone in the subject line was mentioned, it appears this thread is a little off target. like someone mentioned, the clone debate is like beating a dead horse. lock the thread, and let's move on.
OK i was going to ignore you and keep my big fat mouth shut , but i cant now . You come in to this thread that wasnt even your , you shit all over it. Then you now have at least three times called for it to be locked and go away ??? Must be nice causing all this trouble and then just calling for the thread to go away when its not even yours. OK RANT OFF !!!!!!!!!!!!! Carry On
i came in (reply #9) and asked a valid question. that is causing trouble?
i mention locking the thread, since it is obviously no longer getting anywhere. it certainly shows no sign of getting back on topic. i personally don't care whether it's locked or not, or if it goes away. i can play along, as well as anyone.
Well now that we have established "who wont be getting X-mas cards from each other this year". That car did look pretty neat. I wonder how it ended up all the way in Texas for sale from Vermont. Must be pretty good friends. Anyways, I wonder if it really sold or the seller bought it back. :shruggy:
Quote from: Aero426 on January 17, 2012, 05:06:54 PM
Here the Daytona is making a trip to the City of Milwaukee dump to dispose of waste oil and to pick up an empty propane cylinder.
(http://www.superbirdclub.com/files/daytona_dump1.jpg)-----------------------------
SURE LIKE that daytona and color combo. think wires got crossed? i never said ''never driven'' and said nothing bout afraid of rain or weather.i did say rarely driven or seen out , and that is from my oregon west coast area view. some guys live in areas where more wing cars are and get to see them more. r4daytona's car is only real 1 i've seen in many years,and it is from some other state? i roam all over oregon and washington to car shows and have only seen 2 daytona clones out and about. would love to see more wing cars around. i enjoyed seeing 383wing and daytona guys cars very much and never looked at vin tags. cause i look at and enjoy the cars and the way there are built. sorry no offence meant to any wing owners,ride on...dj
Quote from: djcarguy on January 17, 2012, 12:08:29 PM
Parked in a tiny rain shower,,,,only because that was the 1 time a year they left the garage . allready out for a event and got hit by a big bad sprinkle??? that sure proves they are out and driven,,i guess???dj
this contradicts your last statement. I don't see any "wires crossed" here.
:Twocents: I had both real and clones .In 1979- traded the real yellow rough driver superbird in background not original motor in Houston TX.For the 318 AC 70 daytona clone.Got the same thumbs up looks waves etc.And got great gas mileage and AC all the way back east .And got leads about other cars like mine .Sold the clone and got the money to buy the real daytona later found in a bad neighborhood
(http://i37.photobucket.com/albums/e67/75414/70daytonaofmine.jpg)
Quote from: pettybird on January 18, 2012, 12:14:21 PM
Quote from: djcarguy on January 17, 2012, 12:08:29 PM
Parked in a tiny rain shower,,,,only because that was the 1 time a year they left the garage . allready out for a event and got hit by a big bad sprinkle??? that sure proves they are out and driven,,i guess???dj
this contradicts your last statement. I don't see any "wires crossed" here. ====================
OH DAM ,YOUR KEEN EYE HAS GOT ME ....SOOO SORRY... WAS KIDDING BOUT 1TIME A YEAR LEAVING THE GARAGE..... WHICH EVEN 1 TIME A YEAR IS NOT NEVER,,,,,,,,,,,,AS YOU QUOTED ME AS SAYING???????? I DONT GIVE A RAT ARSE BOUT WORD GAMES AND YOU STUPID OPINIONS..... BYE ,HAVE A HAPPY LIFE....DJ,DARTONA :nana: :nana: :nana: :Twocents: :Twocents: :2thumbs: :2thumbs:
man guys, i will appologise right now for all of this. i never thought that using the phrase "aero world" and "buying in" would stir up so much. i didnt mean any disrespect by anything i said. i hold an aero car at the top of the muscle car world. all the guys i talk to at the shows are absolutely fantastic when telling the story for the one millionth time in the day on how the whole thing took place.the guys with the tribute cars putting time,money,and devotion to get these cars to this standard. and any talk about the weather and driving, i have a 1970 charger 500. if i can help it, i wont take this plain jane out in the bad weather. hell, we got a thread on this site about guys that wont use water to wash their cars..........................................thats all. :2thumbs:
Quote from: djcarguy on January 18, 2012, 12:43:25 PM
Quote from: pettybird on January 18, 2012, 12:14:21 PM
Quote from: djcarguy on January 17, 2012, 12:08:29 PM
Parked in a tiny rain shower,,,,only because that was the 1 time a year they left the garage . allready out for a event and got hit by a big bad sprinkle??? that sure proves they are out and driven,,i guess???dj
this contradicts your last statement. I don't see any "wires crossed" here. ====================
OH DAM ,YOUR KEEN EYE HAS GOT ME ....SOOO SORRY... WAS KIDDING BOUT 1TIME A YEAR LEAVING THE GARAGE..... WHICH EVEN 1 TIME A YEAR IS NOT NEVER,,,,,,,,,,,,AS YOU QUOTED ME AS SAYING???????? I DONT GIVE A RAT ARSE BOUT WORD GAMES AND YOU STUPID OPINIONS..... BYE ,HAVE A HAPPY LIFE....DJ,DARTONA :nana: :nana: :nana: :Twocents: :Twocents: :2thumbs: :2thumbs:
ok bye ;) :o ::) :cheers: :'( :icon_smile_angry: :popcrn: :icon_smile_blackeye: :icon_smile_cool: :icon_smile_dissapprove: :drool5: :icon_smile_big: :rotz: ;D :yesnod: :angel: :eyes: :icon_smile_tongue: :flame: :laugh: :pity: :2thumbs: :coolgleamA: :brickwall: :P :scratchchin: :-\ :rofl: :icon_smile_question: :RantExplode: :hah: :icon_smile_wink: :nana: :D :shruggy: :Twocents: :slap: :smilielol: :eek2: :lol:
(is he gone yet?)
Quote from: nvrbdn on January 18, 2012, 01:16:39 PM
if i can help it, i wont take this plain jane out in the bad weather
right? clone, original or whatever--old cars just aren't that much fun in the rain!
our clone is ESPECIALLY bad as it doesn't even have a heater/defroster, and the windshield leaks. it makes fall weather a blast...
i still think that $33000. is to much for this clone :smilielol: :lol: :smilielol: that's what i started this thread about
Quote from: pettybird on January 18, 2012, 01:24:54 PM
Quote from: djcarguy on January 18, 2012, 12:43:25 PM
Quote from: pettybird on January 18, 2012, 12:14:21 PM
Quote from: djcarguy on January 17, 2012, 12:08:29 PM
Parked in a tiny rain shower,,,,only because that was the 1 time a year they left the garage . allready out for a event and got hit by a big bad sprinkle??? that sure proves they are out and driven,,i guess???dj
this contradicts your last statement. I don't see any "wires crossed" here. ====================
OH DAM ,YOUR KEEN EYE HAS GOT ME ....SOOO SORRY... WAS KIDDING BOUT 1TIME A YEAR LEAVING THE GARAGE..... WHICH EVEN 1 TIME A YEAR IS NOT NEVER,,,,,,,,,,,,AS YOU QUOTED ME AS SAYING???????? I DONT GIVE A RAT ARSE BOUT WORD GAMES AND YOU STUPID OPINIONS..... BYE ,HAVE A HAPPY LIFE....DJ,DARTONA :nana: :nana: :nana: :Twocents: :Twocents: :2thumbs: :2thumbs:
ok bye ;) :o ::) :cheers: :'( :icon_smile_angry: :popcrn: :icon_smile_blackeye: :icon_smile_cool: :icon_smile_dissapprove: :drool5: :icon_smile_big: :rotz: ;D :yesnod: :angel: :eyes: :icon_smile_tongue: :flame: :laugh: :pity: :2thumbs: :coolgleamA: :brickwall: :P :scratchchin: :-\ :rofl: :icon_smile_question: :RantExplode: :hah: :icon_smile_wink: :nana: :D :shruggy: :Twocents: :slap: :smilielol: :eek2: :lol:
(is he gone yet?)
Are you sure this isn't Moparts ? :scratchchin:
IAM STILL HERE AND WILL STAY FOR A LONG TIME????????? SURE IS A GREAT SITE AND PLACE TO SEE GREAT CARS AND INFO...THANKS TROY AND MEMBERS...LATER DJ :2thumbs: :2thumbs: :popcrn: :popcrn: :nana:
Quote from: nvrbdn on January 18, 2012, 01:16:39 PM
man guys, i will appologise right now for all of this. i never thought that using the phrase "aero world" and "buying in" would stir up so much. i didnt mean any disrespect by anything i said.
you didn't start it. i take full responsibilty for the question that hit a few nerves.
ok, so if the car is too much and all mabey this will lighten it up :2thumbs:
.Couple in their nineties are both having problems remembering things. During a checkup, the doctor tells them that they're physically okay, but they might want to start writing things down to help them remember
Later that night, while watching TV, the old man gets up from his chair. 'Want anything while I'm in the kitchen?' he asks.
'Will you get me a bowl of ice cream?'
'Sure..'
'Don't you think you should write it down so you can remember it?' she asks.
'No, I can remember it..'
'Well, I'd like some strawberries on top, too. Maybe you should write it down, so
As not to forget it?'
He says, 'I can remember that. You want a bowl of ice cream with strawberries.'
'I'd also like whipped cream. I'm certain you'll forget that, write it down?' she asks.
Irritated, he says, 'I don't need to write it down, I can remember it! Ice cream with strawberries and whipped cream - I got it, for goodness sake!'
Then he toddles into the kitchen. After about 20 minutes, The old man returns from the kitchen and hands his wife a plate of bacon and eggs.. She stares at the plate for a moment.
'Where's my toast ?' :smilielol:
Quote from: 62 Max on January 18, 2012, 01:54:31 PM
Are you sure this isn't Moparts ? :scratchchin:
he said he was leaving?
Quote from: nvrbdn on January 18, 2012, 02:44:18 PM
'Where's my toast ?' :smilielol:
I think it's tshirthell.com that has one that says 'I may have alzheimer's but at least I don't have alzheimer's.'
:smilielol: i like that.
Quote from: BigBlockSam on January 18, 2012, 01:50:19 PM
i still think that $33000. is to much for this clone :smilielol: :lol: :smilielol: that's what i started this thread about
Yes even if the rear window was done and some other problems fix I dont think its worth more that 30 k and thats if stuff was done correctly .
Quote from: pettybird on January 18, 2012, 02:58:41 PM
Quote from: nvrbdn on January 18, 2012, 02:44:18 PM
'Where's my toast ?' :smilielol:
I think it's tshirthell.com that has one that says 'I may have alzheimer's but at least I don't have alzheimer's.'
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3_aHkrjPo7A
clone dont melt either , 3 day cruise across kansas put over 800 miles on it that week
stu is an animal :2thumbs: now that mine is on the road again, i will be cruising alot :2thumbs:
Quote from: nvrbdn on January 18, 2012, 03:29:59 PM
stu is an animal :2thumbs: now that mine is on the road again, i will be cruising alot :2thumbs:
Personally if i didnt have one to drive and drive hard I wouldnt own any !!! The fun for me is getting them out and driving the hell out of them . All the great people you meet and get to know cant be beat .
Quote from: moparstuart on January 18, 2012, 03:39:01 PM
Quote from: nvrbdn on January 18, 2012, 03:29:59 PM
stu is an animal :2thumbs: now that mine is on the road again, i will be cruising alot :2thumbs:
Personally if i didnt have one to drive and drive hard I wouldnt own any !!! The fun for me is getting them out and driving the hell out of them . All the great people you meet and get to know cant be beat .
Hey Stuart, the corvette snob agrees!
I've met a lot of great people in the Aero world, and some of them may have been clones too.......
You never know
:scratchchin:
Quote from: 70Sbird on January 18, 2012, 04:34:57 PM
Quote from: moparstuart on January 18, 2012, 03:39:01 PM
Quote from: nvrbdn on January 18, 2012, 03:29:59 PM
stu is an animal :2thumbs: now that mine is on the road again, i will be cruising alot :2thumbs:
Personally if i didnt have one to drive and drive hard I wouldnt own any !!! The fun for me is getting them out and driving the hell out of them . All the great people you meet and get to know cant be beat .
Hey Stuart, the corvette snob agrees!
I've met a lot of great people in the Aero world, and some of them may have been clones too.......
You never know
:scratchchin:
clone ? or clown i answer to both :icon_smile_big:
Quote from: 70Sbird on January 18, 2012, 04:34:57 PM
Quote from: moparstuart on January 18, 2012, 03:39:01 PM
Quote from: nvrbdn on January 18, 2012, 03:29:59 PM
stu is an animal :2thumbs: now that mine is on the road again, i will be cruising alot :2thumbs:
Personally if i didnt have one to drive and drive hard I wouldnt own any !!! The fun for me is getting them out and driving the hell out of them . All the great people you meet and get to know cant be beat .
Hey Stuart, the corvette snob agrees!
I've met a lot of great people in the Aero world, and some of them may have been clones too.......
You never know
:scratchchin:
not GOOD clones, though. Most are the half-baked, 'ooh...that didn't turn out quite right' types :lol:
Quote from: pettybird on January 18, 2012, 04:40:05 PM
Quote from: 70Sbird on January 18, 2012, 04:34:57 PM
Quote from: moparstuart on January 18, 2012, 03:39:01 PM
Quote from: nvrbdn on January 18, 2012, 03:29:59 PM
stu is an animal :2thumbs: now that mine is on the road again, i will be cruising alot :2thumbs:
Personally if i didnt have one to drive and drive hard I wouldnt own any !!! The fun for me is getting them out and driving the hell out of them . All the great people you meet and get to know cant be beat .
Hey Stuart, the corvette snob agrees!
I've met a lot of great people in the Aero world, and some of them may have been clones too.......
You never know
:scratchchin:
not GOOD clones, though. Most are the half-baked, 'ooh...that didn't turn out quite right' types :lol:
burnt toast ? :shruggy:
like this:
(http://davenation.com/home/kitchen.gif)
then he added wing car owners:
(http://i64.photobucket.com/albums/h190/Morphthecat/GodSprinklesJerks.jpg)
:smilielol:
Quote from: moparstuart on January 18, 2012, 03:28:32 PM
clone dont melt either , 3 day cruise across kansas put over 800 miles on it that week
Agreed....I drive my cars, cloned or not, anywhere, anytime.....this day was track day at Pocono Super Speedway, poured driving 500 miles up, poured for 4 hrs worth of laps on the track, and poured for 500 miles on the drive back home,.....no "sissy" parade laps either,...140-145 MPH was the best I could turn on the high banks before my tires stated losing traction in the rain........some of the guys with "original" cars "sat it out" in the track shops, or in their trailers
mike
Great picture mike :icon_smile_big: :drool5: :drool5: :drool5: :drool5: :drool5: :drool5:
Quote from: DAY CLONA on January 18, 2012, 06:22:59 PM
Quote from: moparstuart on January 18, 2012, 03:28:32 PM
clone dont melt either , 3 day cruise across kansas put over 800 miles on it that week
Agreed....I drive my cars, cloned or not, anywhere, anytime.....this day was track day at Pocono Super Speedway, poured driving 500 miles up, poured for 4 hrs worth of laps on the track, and poured for 500 miles on the drive back home,.....no "sissy" parade laps either,...140-145 MPH was the best I could turn on the high banks before my tires stated losing traction in the rain........some of the guys with "original" cars "sat it out" in the track shops, or in their trailers
mike
Mike,you're going the wrong way ! :lol:
Quote140-145 MPH was the best I could turn on the high banks
great pic Mike, i need bigger skins in the front of mine. at about 135 i felt the front end loosing traction. :cheers:
Quote from: 62 Max on January 18, 2012, 07:42:21 PM
Quote from: DAY CLONA on January 18, 2012, 06:22:59 PM
Agreed....I drive my cars, cloned or not, anywhere, anytime.....this day was track day at Pocono Super Speedway, poured driving 500 miles up, poured for 4 hrs worth of laps on the track, and poured for 500 miles on the drive back home,.....no "sissy" parade laps either,...140-145 MPH was the best I could turn on the high banks before my tires stated losing traction in the rain........some of the guys with "original" cars "sat it out" in the track shops, or in their trailers
mike
Mike,you're going the wrong way ! :lol:
yea..I noticed that as well....
Bryan
383wing, i was gona mention that the cat face in your avitar is really cool, but it will be gone by the time someone else reads this. so never mind. :2thumbs:
Quote from: held1823 on January 16, 2012, 03:01:50 PM
Quote from: djcarguy on January 16, 2012, 01:04:55 PM
Quote from: held1823 on January 15, 2012, 12:00:31 AM
............ disdain for clones of any make or model ...............
LOTS HATE AND STRESS OVER A FEW WORDS,,DONT YOU THINK?WHAT IF SOME ONE TOOK A REAL DAYTONA ?AND MADE A HALF BREED CLONE OF A REAL CHARGER? DAYTONA ASS, AND VIN WITH CHARGER NOSE?
i have no clue what the hell the first part of that statement means. am i stressed? no, why would you think so? do i hate the idea of a cloned muscle car? absolutely. clone a daytona into a "half-breed charger"? impossible, it's already a charger. the opposite action, magically turning a charger into a daytona, is also impossible. a base camaro is forever just a camaro, it will never be a z/28 or SS. a base mustang will never become a shelby or boss model. a satellite, never a roadrunner, nor will a coronet 440 become a super bee. my disdain for clones is not aero-specific. it's fraud, no matter the reasoning. per merriam-webster:
fraud
noun \ˈfrȯd\
Definition of FRAUD
1 a: deceit, trickery; specifically: intentional perversion of truth in order to induce another to part with something of value or to surrender a legal right
b: an act of deceiving or misrepresenting : trick
2 a: a person who is not what he or she pretends to be : impostor; also: one who defrauds : cheat
b: one that is not what it seems or is represented to be
clones are like a girl wearing a strap-on. both may look the part, but neither is what it so badly wants to be. there was once a time when people did without the things they could not afford, or settled for what they could. not anymore. today it's "i can't afford what i want, so i will just pretend i have it, and expect everyone else to agree that it's ok". well, not everyone does.
your damn right i pretend i can afford something that i can't afford, and if the wife doesn't like that i call out Jessica (Beal-sp) when having sex then she better stop calling out Brad (pitt)
:smilielol: :2thumbs:
Mauve 66 you must be from missouri too :nana:
i-70 mile, marker 72 or so, damn its been so long since i've been there i've already forgotten what exit it is :brickwall: :brickwall:
Real boobs or implants? That's all I want to know.
In my mind (or hands) they BOTH are fun!
Now, doesn't that just settle this whole clone-real debate??????
Mike,you're going the wrong way ! :lol:
[/quote]
Technically no :nana:........The Pocono Road Course which uses 2 of the high banks, turns infield to a winding roadcourse....roadcourses are mostly run clockwise, GN, Oval, etc are run Counter Clock wise
Quote from: rainbow4jd on January 18, 2012, 11:48:13 PM
Real boobs or implants? That's all I want to know.
In my mind (or hands) they BOTH are fun!
Now, doesn't that just settle this whole clone-real debate??????
:smilielol: :smilielol: :smilielol: :2thumbs:
Quote from: DAY CLONA on January 19, 2012, 12:34:06 AM
Mike,you're going the wrong way ! :lol:
Technically no :nana:........The Pocono Road Course which uses 2 of the high banks, turns infield to a winding roadcourse....roadcourses are mostly run clockwise, GN, Oval, etc are run Counter Clock wise
[/quote]beat that camaro :drool5:
Quote from: rainbow4jd on January 18, 2012, 11:48:13 PM
Real boobs or implants? That's all I want to know.
In my mind (or hands) they BOTH are fun!
Now, doesn't that just settle this whole clone-real debate??????
The real ones would have more value and come with more prestige and bragging rights but, you could have more fun taking the implanted clones away from home on a daily basis knowing they are easily replaced should something bad happen.
let me see if i follow along correctly.
i take some front end parts........
along with some rear end parts......
and abracadabra !!!
it's not a prestigious original, but how about a show of hands for those who think the fake breasts are just as nice.
you're gonna make me want to cheat on Pioneer stereo ad guy.
:eek2: .......
Clever use of an analogy though, although it refers to a regular Charger as ugly....
Quote from: held1823 on January 19, 2012, 09:27:55 AM
and abracadabra !!!
it's not a prestigious original, but how about a show of hands for those who think the fake breasts are just as nice.
So that explains your preoccupation with "strap-ons" in your posts......we just need to know if this is you or your life partner :scratchchin:
Quote from: DAY CLONA on January 19, 2012, 09:49:34 AM
So that explains your preoccupation with "strap-ons" in your posts......we just need to know if this is you or your life partner :scratchchin:
be careful, your stance on this type of lifestyle could be considered hateful or narrow minded. besides, a
strap snap on comes in handy for the guy in this picture.
i can hardly wait to see what google ads i get now, since they like to tailor them to your recent searches. now excuse me, while i go bleach my eyeballs and curl up in a corner.
Quote from: held1823 on January 19, 2012, 09:27:55 AM
and abracadabra !!!
it's not a prestigious original, but how about a show of hands for those who think the fake breasts are just as nice.
see, thats like the ebay clone superbird...some good parts, but just not quite all there...
here's a better question...which one of these cars looks funner?? :scratchchin:
i pick the white one :2thumbs:
oh, guess i didnt go far enough. ok the white one with the dog dish hub caps and the red wing. that should nail it down :2thumbs:
Quote from: richRTSE on January 19, 2012, 10:57:06 AM
Quote from: held1823 on January 19, 2012, 09:27:55 AM
and abracadabra !!!
it's not a prestigious original, but how about a show of hands for those who think the fake breasts are just as nice.
see, thats like the ebay clone superbird...some good parts, but just not quite all there...
not even close. the one in my story has a stick. thankfully, there was no photo of it.
p.s. you two are making my point for me
Quote from: 440 on January 19, 2012, 09:49:21 AM
:eek2: .......
Clever use of an analogy though, although it refers to a regular Charger as ugly....
ugly? no.
manly? certainly!
Quote from: held1823 on January 19, 2012, 11:25:50 AM
Quote from: richRTSE on January 19, 2012, 10:57:06 AM
Quote from: held1823 on January 19, 2012, 09:27:55 AM
and abracadabra !!!
it's not a prestigious original, but how about a show of hands for those who think the fake breasts are just as nice.
see, thats like the ebay clone superbird...some good parts, but just not quite all there...
not even close. the one in my story has a stick. thankfully, there was no photo of it.
p.s. you two are making my point for me
i'll take the non stick option please
Quotep.s. you two are making my point for me
ok...so why not answer this question then...(yes, one of them is a clone)
Quote from: richRTSE on January 19, 2012, 11:11:30 AM
here's a better question...which one of these cars looks funner?? :scratchchin:
Quote from: richRTSE on January 19, 2012, 12:51:41 PM
Quotep.s. you two are making my point for me
ok...so why not answer this question then...(yes, one of them is a clone)
Quote from: richRTSE on January 19, 2012, 11:11:30 AM
here's a better question...which one of these cars looks funner?? :scratchchin:
neither one is "funner". both are beautiful cars, although the bottom one is "realer".
how does a clone "look" more fun? Ours doesn't have any drugs in the console, strippers in the passenger seat or clowns doing magic tricks in the back seat. Did we get screwed or something?
Quote from: pettybird on January 19, 2012, 01:35:51 PM
how does a clone "look" more fun? Ours doesn't have any drugs in the console, strippers in the passenger seat or clowns doing magic tricks in the back seat. Did we get screwed or something?
drugs and strippers , thats just your standard cleveland saturday night right :shruggy:
Quoteneither one is "funner". both are beautiful cars, although the bottom one is "realer".
Quote from: pettybird on January 19, 2012, 01:35:51 PM
how does a clone "look" more fun? Ours doesn't have any drugs in the console, strippers in the passenger seat or clowns doing magic tricks in the back seat. Did we get screwed or something?
That was kinda my point Doug...a well done clone can be just as much fun and enjoyment as the real deal. The amount of fun you have really comes down to the owner, not so much the car...
And I agree with Earnie's quote above as well. There is definately a big difference between a real car and a clone, hence the big $$$ real cars command. But with only a few hundred of these cars made, and not all of those surviving 40+yrs, not alot of us can afford the real ones. Clones are as close as we'll get. And with so few real ones around, clones are also as close as many people will get to seeing one cruising around. I think they definately have a place in our hobby, as do the real ones. And as long as the distinction between the two can be maintained, everyone should be able to get along.
:icon_smile_big:
Quote from: richRTSE on January 19, 2012, 01:58:22 PM
not alot of us can afford the real ones. Clones are as close as we'll get. And with so few real ones around, clones are also as close as many people will get to seeing one cruising around. :icon_smile_big:
two things:
I can appreciate the work that went into the white car above. That said, what the hell was the total bill on that thing??? It's gorgeous, and that doesn't come cheap. If it was someone with the time and talent to do it themselves, more power to them, but if you have to pay for something like that you're in for tens of thousands of dollars, and you still have a fake car. There are enough driver Superbirds lying around that you could have (and there are sales in the past 2-3 years to prove it) that you could have had a real live car for about the same money. Driver clones are one thing--you really DO have less money in them--but the flawless recreations leave me scratching my head. If I couldn't have what I wanted, and I had the skills to create something so beautiful, I'd pull off the bodywork equivalent of Troy trades until I did. I know a lot of people who did just that to get what they wanted, wing car, Chevy or whatever. One of my good friends here flipped in and out of six cars to get his 'bird, and my best friend had to flip four.
I don't get the 'clones are as close as people get to seeing one' thing, either. Honestly--there are over 1,200 surviving wing cars vs how many clones? In northeast Ohio there are more than 15 real cars to two clones, and one of those is ours. Obviously we're not a normal area, but again clones aren't clogging the streets.
Quote from: pettybird on January 19, 2012, 03:11:24 PM
Quote from: richRTSE on January 19, 2012, 01:58:22 PM
not alot of us can afford the real ones. Clones are as close as we'll get. And with so few real ones around, clones are also as close as many people will get to seeing one cruising around. :icon_smile_big:
two things:
I can appreciate the work that went into the white car above. That said, what the hell was the total bill on that thing??? It's gorgeous, and that doesn't come cheap. If it was someone with the time and talent to do it themselves, more power to them, but if you have to pay for something like that you're in for tens of thousands of dollars, and you still have a fake car. There are enough driver Superbirds lying around that you could have (and there are sales in the past 2-3 years to prove it) that you could have had a real live car for about the same money. Driver clones are one thing--you really DO have less money in them--but the flawless recreations leave me scratching my head. If I couldn't have what I wanted, and I had the skills to create something so beautiful, I'd pull off the bodywork equivalent of Troy trades until I did. I know a lot of people who did just that to get what they wanted, wing car, Chevy or whatever. One of my good friends here flipped in and out of six cars to get his 'bird, and my best friend had to flip four.
I don't get the 'clones are as close as people get to seeing one' thing, either. Honestly--there are over 1,200 surviving wing cars vs how many clones? In northeast Ohio there are more than 15 real cars to two clones, and one of those is ours. Obviously we're not a normal area, but again clones aren't clogging the streets.
And within 55mi of me including mine there are seven birds,three 6pk's,three 4bbl's and one Hemi,all real cars and four are driven,the other to are not in driveable condition.
i'll be damned, if our 'lil aero car forum debacle isn't keeping up with the joneses...
http://board.moparts.org/ubbthreads/showflat.php?Cat=0&Number=7025678&page=0&fpart=1&vc=1&nt=2
Quote from: held1823 on January 19, 2012, 04:55:26 PM
i'll be damned, if our 'lil aero car forum debacle isn't keeping up with the joneses...
http://board.moparts.org/ubbthreads/showflat.php?Cat=0&Number=7025678&page=0&fpart=1&vc=1&nt=2
I have been watching that one too...
Just waiting for a link over there to our little "discussion" here! :lol:
when i do see one at a show i don't bother looking at the VIN, i could care less whether it is real or not, usually there is a sign or something to tell u anyway, i just like looking at cool cars and they don't have to be 100% bone stock to be cool either
I immediately look at every VIN of every car I like at a show. Then I read the fender tag. No joke.
funny on that moparts thread. more fake car owners assuming that people with real cars can't have any fun, or do burnouts, or whatever...
hot rod=personalize to your liking
clone/tribute/fake/replica=building the car to look like a different factory car of similar specification
QuoteI immediately look at every VIN of every car I like at a show
:rotz:
I also check the VINs at shows. I like to know which plant built the car and how far along in the model year it was built. Sure would be cool to find the car that is consecutive to mine. Fat chance of that though. I like clones if they are relatively correct looking and cars with period correct modifications but I admire the originals more. As for Charger and Charger Daytona/Superbird convertibles, cars with triple wings and so on, sorry, don't want to offend but, I don't like em. I think cars like that just confuse the public to the point that nobody outside our group knows what a Charger is anymore.
the car looks funny. but cool hot rod. and most wing people i've met were really cool guys. they love talking about the car. gotta say never met a winged asshole. never. most mopar people seem real cool. we all seem to bunch together at car shows. and the wing guys do the same. dont know where you all live. but in colorado mopar is mopar and were all equal. wing or no wing. but got to say this you tag readers need to get a life. it's a car. nothing more. i get tag readers all the time and just tell them to move on. and then i tell them YES IT WAS A 318 CAR. it's not wing car people who are jerks. it's the tag readers. who cares what it was. its a beautiful 440 car now. it's not factory and i dont care. clone or real there just the coolest car ever. it's your car do with it what you will. if someone dont like it.....fuck them. :2thumbs: :2thumbs:
Quote from: pettybird on January 19, 2012, 03:11:24 PM
Quote from: richRTSE on January 19, 2012, 01:58:22 PM
not alot of us can afford the real ones. Clones are as close as we'll get. And with so few real ones around, clones are also as close as many people will get to seeing one cruising around. :icon_smile_big:
I don't get the 'clones are as close as people get to seeing one' thing, either. Honestly--there are over 1,200 surviving wing cars vs how many clones? In northeast Ohio there are more than 15 real cars to two clones, and one of those is ours. Obviously we're not a normal area, but again clones aren't clogging the streets.
:yesnod: yes, you are right...clones aren't clogging the street either. Obviously my comment isn't true about most of the people in this forum, but was meant more so about the general public. Anyone really into mopars is gonna see one at most major shows...Carlisle, Mopar Nats, Chrysler Classics, etc...or if they live near someone like you who does take their real car out alot. But I think (and please don't take this the wrong way Doug) your perspective is a bit skewed because your family has always had wingcars, so for you that's the norm. I'm sure over the years people at shows have asked you "what is that?" about one of your wing cars. A few years ago I was parked at a "all makes" carshow next to Gary's B5 Daytona clone and heard several people ask the person they were with "what is that thing?" So for them, the only Daytona they've ever seen was a clone...not to mention all the A12 clones, Hemicuda clones, Shelby clones, LS6 clones, etc...some people have never seen a "real" car and don't even known it...
...and yes, you can spend alot of money building a clone. But often times the buy-in to get a real one is just too much. I'm betting you couldn't build a real hemi Daytona for double what Brian (1hotdaytona) has in his white clone. We've all seen the burned out, rotted out shells sell for $30-40k, essentially just to buy the VIN....these cars are rare, and desirable, and the demand far outweighs the supply...I guess it really comes down to how badly someone wants a real one...
edit: I meant to say the white Daytona clone is Brian's (1hotdaytona), not Larry's (although the black and red one he made is awesome too).
You forgot this clone !
http://www.answers.com/topic/dolly-the-sheep
well, everyone finds their own way to enjoy the sport. or mabey car owning isnt a sport but a hobby. anyway, if a guy likes to read tags, thats what he does. thats the way he enjoys the hobby by finding the past. whats wrong with that? that doesnt mean he doesnt like your car, just likes to track history. those are usually the guys that could tell you statistic's of every plant etc..........they also see what # in the chain these cars were produced.in the collector car world,its all about those vin's and tags.im not a tag watcher, or statistic keeper, or option guy. but we all read the crap out of the knowledge that these guys retain. just enjoy the hobby how ever you choose.
Quote from: 62 Max on January 20, 2012, 09:16:41 AM
You forgot this clone !
http://www.answers.com/topic/dolly-the-sheep
:smilielol: :smilielol: will the real clone please stand up
Quote from: nvrbdn on January 20, 2012, 09:17:49 AM
well, everyone finds their own way to enjoy the sport. or mabey car owning isnt a sport but a hobby. anyway, if a guy likes to read tags, thats what he does. thats the way he enjoys the hobby by finding the past. whats wrong with that? that doesnt mean he doesnt like your car, just likes to track history. those are usually the guys that could tell you statistic's of every plant etc..........they also see what # in the chain these cars were produced.in the collector car world,its all about those vin's and tags.im not a tag watcher, or statistic keeper, or option guy. but we all read the crap out of the knowledge that these guys retain. just enjoy the hobby how ever you choose.
:yesnod: :yesnod: :yesnod: :yesnod: :yesnod: to each there own :2thumbs: :2thumbs: :2thumbs:
Quote from: richRTSE on January 20, 2012, 09:11:51 AM
But I think (and please don't take this the wrong way Doug) your perspective is a bit skewed
...and yes, you can spend alot of money building a clone. But often times the buy-in to get a real one is just too much. I'm betting Larry couldn't build a real hemi Daytona for double what he has in his white clone. We've all seen the burned out, rotted out shells sell for $30-40k, essentially just to buy the VIN....these cars are rare, and desirable, and the demand far outweighs the supply...I guess it really comes down to how badly someone wants a real one...
I take great offense. not only my perspective, but overall I'm highly skewed. ask anyone who knows me :lol:
can you build a real hemi daytona for the cost of a clone? of course not. could he have had a driver Superbird for the cost of the build? yes. would I rather have a driver 'bird over a perfect hemi clone? i think I've demonstrated that!
I also love tag reading. I even like tag reading when a car isn't what it should be. The coolest mopars (aside from aeros, of course) are the oddballs that were made. We have a gorgeous purple '70 hemicuda clone here at work that just happened to be sand pebble beige with black body side moldings and an F8 bench interior. How retched! then again, who the hell would have ordered that? it's fun to see the combinations.
I get positively giddy when I see cars close to ours, and I just about fall over when I see another Canadian Daytona (VIN starts with 414!) There are TWO Canadian F8 Daytonas in NE Ohio...awesome!
Did I mention I'm skewed?
:shortbus: :shortbus: :shortbus:
Quote from: pettybird on January 20, 2012, 11:00:21 AM
Quote from: richRTSE on January 20, 2012, 09:11:51 AM
But I think (and please don't take this the wrong way Doug) your perspective is a bit skewed
...and yes, you can spend alot of money building a clone. But often times the buy-in to get a real one is just too much. I'm betting Larry couldn't build a real hemi Daytona for double what he has in his white clone. We've all seen the burned out, rotted out shells sell for $30-40k, essentially just to buy the VIN....these cars are rare, and desirable, and the demand far outweighs the supply...I guess it really comes down to how badly someone wants a real one...
I take great offense. not only my perspective, but overall I'm highly skewed. ask anyone who knows me :lol:
can you build a real hemi daytona for the cost of a clone? of course not. could he have had a driver Superbird for the cost of the build? yes. would I rather have a driver 'bird over a perfect hemi clone? i think I've demonstrated that!
I also love tag reading. I even like tag reading when a car isn't what it should be. The coolest mopars (aside from aeros, of course) are the oddballs that were made. We have a gorgeous purple '70 hemicuda clone here at work that just happened to be sand pebble beige with black body side moldings and an F8 bench interior. How retched! then again, who the hell would have ordered that? it's fun to see the combinations.
I get positively giddy when I see cars close to ours, and I just about fall over when I see another Canadian Daytona (VIN starts with 414!) There are TWO Canadian F8 Daytonas in NE Ohio...awesome!
Did I mention I'm skewed?
:shortbus: :shortbus: :shortbus: :D :2thumbs:
i know you are but what am i :slap:
Quote from: 404NOTFOUND on January 20, 2012, 07:30:10 AM
I also check the VINs at shows. I like to know which plant built the car and how far along in the model year it was built. Sure would be cool to find the car that is consecutive to mine. Fat chance of that though. I like clones if they are relatively correct looking and cars with period correct modifications but I admire the originals more. As for Charger and Charger Daytona/Superbird convertibles, cars with triple wings and so on, sorry, don't want to offend but, I don't like em. I think cars like that just confuse the public to the point that nobody outside our group knows what a Charger is anymore.
before i ever got to the wing i've had people ask what year my challenger and MUSTANG was, car people will know, non-car people won't remember the conversation the next day
Quote from: pettybird on January 19, 2012, 03:11:24 PM
Quote from: richRTSE on January 19, 2012, 01:58:22 PM
not alot of us can afford the real ones. Clones are as close as we'll get. And with so few real ones around, clones are also as close as many people will get to seeing one cruising around. :icon_smile_big:
two things:
I can appreciate the work that went into the white car above. That said, what the hell was the total bill on that thing??? It's gorgeous, and that doesn't come cheap. If it was someone with the time and talent to do it themselves, more power to them, but if you have to pay for something like that you're in for tens of thousands of dollars, and you still have a fake car. There are enough driver Superbirds lying around that you could have (and there are sales in the past 2-3 years to prove it) that you could have had a real live car for about the same money. Driver clones are one thing--you really DO have less money in them--but the flawless recreations leave me scratching my head. If I couldn't have what I wanted, and I had the skills to create something so beautiful, I'd pull off the bodywork equivalent of Troy trades until I did. I know a lot of people who did just that to get what they wanted, wing car, Chevy or whatever. One of my good friends here flipped in and out of six cars to get his 'bird, and my best friend had to flip four.
I don't get the 'clones are as close as people get to seeing one' thing, either. Honestly--there are over 1,200 surviving wing cars vs how many clones? In northeast Ohio there are more than 15 real cars to two clones, and one of those is ours. Obviously we're not a normal area, but again clones aren't clogging the streets.
That is My White Daytona clone. To be honest I would rather have My car than a real Superbird. The Daytona does way more for me than a bird. Dont get me wrong Birds are a cool car,just not nearly as cool to me as a "Charger Daytona".
Quote from: pettybird on January 19, 2012, 03:11:24 PM
Quote from: richRTSE on January 19, 2012, 01:58:22 PM
not alot of us can afford the real ones. Clones are as close as we'll get. And with so few real ones around, clones are also as close as many people will get to seeing one cruising around. :icon_smile_big:
two things:
I can appreciate the work that went into the white car above. That said, what the hell was the total bill on that thing??? It's gorgeous, and that doesn't come cheap. If it was someone with the time and talent to do it themselves, more power to them, but if you have to pay for something like that you're in for tens of thousands of dollars, and you still have a fake car. There are enough driver Superbirds lying around that you could have (and there are sales in the past 2-3 years to prove it) that you could have had a real live car for about the same money. Driver clones are one thing--you really DO have less money in them--but the flawless recreations leave me scratching my head. If I couldn't have what I wanted, and I had the skills to create something so beautiful, I'd pull off the bodywork equivalent of Troy trades until I did. I know a lot of people who did just that to get what they wanted, wing car, Chevy or whatever. One of my good friends here flipped in and out of six cars to get his 'bird, and my best friend had to flip four.
I don't get the 'clones are as close as people get to seeing one' thing, either. Honestly--there are over 1,200 surviving wing cars vs how many clones? In northeast Ohio there are more than 15 real cars to two clones, and one of those is ours. Obviously we're not a normal area, but again clones aren't clogging the streets.
Labors of love have no price tag. I knew a guy who spent nearly three years trying to build a ship in a bottle. He was damn proud of it when he was done. But for the life of me, I can't understand why anyone would put that much time into something NO ONE really cares about but him. Until I realized, he didnt do it for anyone else - he did it for himself.
I don't have a problem with anyone having fun and I don't think its any of my business to be a grump about it. I have fun with mine, you have fun with yours.
sorry pettybird - didn't realize that it sounded like I was directing my reply AT you.
It was a rhetorical.
By the way, I think the real issue, which causes the animosity, is that there is a fear that if ENOUGH clones are out there, then someone with a REAL bird or tona may lose value. i.e. Mr Moneybags comes along and says, "I don't care whether its original or clone, I just want one to have fun and I'll pay ONE MILLION DOLLARS because I think his clone looks better than your original"
It's all about fear in my mind.
WOW! I don't know where to start. I am lucky enough to have a real car. And anyone who knows me knows that I drive the heck out of it. From Seattle to the 1999 reunion. 7,500 miles in 2 weeks - IT WAS THE BEST 2 WEEKS OF MY LIFE IN THE CAR WORLD!!!!!! But when I got there the grief I got was crazy. Everyone told me I was nuts to drive it there, but I was the guy who had the most fun! Weather real or a clone we are lucky enough to have one. There is no reason to be an ass to anyone for any reason. Before I got the wing I had a very nice 70 Charger R/T V code and was looked down upon by ever hemi owner I met. Right then and there I told myself that I would never be an ass. We are a family and let us enjoy our hobby to its up most. I always tell everyone that the guys who made our cars WERE NOT making something special, it was just a job and we have taken and made them more than they were ever intended to be. :2thumbs:
:2thumbs: :2thumbs: :2thumbs: :yesnod:
Quote from: 1HotDaytona on January 20, 2012, 09:48:14 PM
That is My White Daytona clone. To be honest I would rather have My car than a real Superbird. The Daytona does way more for me than a bird. Dont get me wrong Birds are a cool car,just not nearly as cool to me as a "Charger Daytona".
now THERE is where I'm skewed...my first word was 'da da' second was 'beep beep!'
Daytonas are beautiful cars, but if you're going to make an ABSURD vehicle it might as well be covered in cartoons :lol:
Quote from: SBBob on January 20, 2012, 11:29:25 PM
WOW! I don't know where to start. I am lucky enough to have a real car. And anyone who knows me knows that I drive the heck out of it. From Seattle to the 1999 reunion. 7,500 miles in 2 weeks - IT WAS THE BEST 2 WEEKS OF MY LIFE IN THE CAR WORLD!!!!!! But when I got there the grief I got was crazy. Everyone told me I was nuts to drive it there, but I was the guy who had the most fun! Weather real or a clone we are lucky enough to have one. There is no reason to be an ass to anyone for any reason. Before I got the wing I had a very nice 70 Charger R/T V code and was looked down upon by ever hemi owner I met. Right then and there I told myself that I would never be an ass. We are a family and let us enjoy our hobby to its up most. I always tell everyone that the guys who made our cars WERE NOT making something special, it was just a job and we have taken and made them more than they were ever intended to be. :2thumbs:
bob is one of the good guys! !!!! And yes thats a real hemi car
Quote from: pettybird on January 20, 2012, 11:45:20 PM
Quote from: 1HotDaytona on January 20, 2012, 09:48:14 PM
That is My White Daytona clone. To be honest I would rather have My car than a real Superbird. The Daytona does way more for me than a bird. Dont get me wrong Birds are a cool car,just not nearly as cool to me as a "Charger Daytona".
now THERE is where I'm skewed...my first word was 'da da' second was 'beep beep!'
Daytonas are beautiful cars, but if you're going to make an ABSURD vehicle it might as well be covered in cartoons :lol:
i love chargers too, but like u birds had me at beep beep
Quote from: moparstuart on January 21, 2012, 12:35:15 AM
Quote from: pettybird on January 20, 2012, 11:45:20 PM
Quote from: 1HotDaytona on January 20, 2012, 09:48:14 PM
That is My White Daytona clone. To be honest I would rather have My car than a real Superbird. The Daytona does way more for me than a bird. Dont get me wrong Birds are a cool car,just not nearly as cool to me as a "Charger Daytona".
now THERE is where I'm skewed...my first word was 'da da' second was 'beep beep!'
Daytonas are beautiful cars, but if you're going to make an ABSURD vehicle it might as well be covered in cartoons :lol:
i love chargers too, but like u birds had me at beep beep
And Im fine with that. We are all allowed to have our opimions. Its the fact that some people want to cram thiers down others throats thats a problem.
Like the old saying goes, if ya aint got anything good to say " keep it to yourself"
Quote from: 1HotDaytona on January 21, 2012, 01:01:58 AM
Quote from: moparstuart on January 21, 2012, 12:35:15 AM
Quote from: pettybird on January 20, 2012, 11:45:20 PM
Quote from: 1HotDaytona on January 20, 2012, 09:48:14 PM
That is My White Daytona clone. To be honest I would rather have My car than a real Superbird. The Daytona does way more for me than a bird. Dont get me wrong Birds are a cool car,just not nearly as cool to me as a "Charger Daytona".
now THERE is where I'm skewed...my first word was 'da da' second was 'beep beep!'
Daytonas are beautiful cars, but if you're going to make an ABSURD vehicle it might as well be covered in cartoons :lol:
i love chargers too, but like u birds had me at beep beep
And Im fine with that. We are all allowed to have our opimions. Its the fact that some people want to cram thiers down others throats thats a problem.
Like the old saying goes, if ya aint got anything good to say " keep it to yourself"
momma always told me that :yesnod: :yesnod: oh and i would still love to have your car of course . The work manship and quality parts that went into it are flawless . Yes im sure it was expensive but a drop in the bucket compared to a real hemi daytona . It still needs red interior :nana: :nana:
Quote from: 1HotDaytona on January 21, 2012, 01:01:58 AM
....And Im fine with that. We are all allowed to have our opimions. Its the fact that some people want to cram thiers down others throats thats a problem...
...Like the old saying goes, if ya aint got anything good to say " keep it to yourself"...
you don't see the contradiction, let alone the irony, in your own words, do you? you were one of the two people on here to take someone else's differing opinion about the subject, and use it to make character judgements about them. if that isn't trying to cram your opinion down someone else's throat, what is?
in your defense, i also might it find it hard to think positive of those who dislike what i have built with my own hands.
Quote from: held1823 on January 21, 2012, 10:25:30 AM
Quote from: 1HotDaytona on January 21, 2012, 01:01:58 AM
....And Im fine with that. We are all allowed to have our opimions. Its the fact that some people want to cram thiers down others throats thats a problem...
...Like the old saying goes, if ya aint got anything good to say " keep it to yourself"...
you don't see the contradiction, let alone the irony, in your own words, do you? you were one of the two people on here to take someone else's differing opinion about the subject, and use it to make character judgements about them. if that isn't trying to cram YOUR opinion down someone else's throat, what is?
in your defense, i also might it find it hard to think positive of those who dislike what i have built with my own hands.
Its you that dont understand. I stated my opinion. I did not cram it down your throat . The negitive things I feel for you are not being said.
Now do you get it???????
Quote from: 1HotDaytona on January 21, 2012, 10:35:42 AM
Its you that dont understand. I stated my opinion. I did not cram it down your throat . The negitive things I feel for you are not being said.
Now do you get it???????
sure, i get it. i'm even capable of stating my opinion without getting personal about it, nor having negativity beyond the topic at hand.
Quote from: held1823 on January 21, 2012, 10:48:17 AM
Quote from: 1HotDaytona on January 21, 2012, 10:35:42 AM
Its you that dont understand. I stated my opinion. I did not cram it down your throat . The negitive things I feel for you are not being said.
Now do you get it???????
sure, i get it. i'm even capable of stating my opinion without getting personal about it, nor having negativity beyond the topic at hand.
Then I suggest you try that some time.
Quote from: 1HotDaytona on January 21, 2012, 11:06:01 AM
Quote from: held1823 on January 21, 2012, 10:48:17 AM
sure, i get it. i'm even capable of stating my opinion without getting personal about it, nor having negativity beyond the topic at hand.
Then I suggest you try that some time.
excuse me? show me where i've gotten personal anywhere in this thread, or where my "negative" and "narrow minded" opinion has gone beyond clones, which ARE the topic at hand. i will gladly eat those words, and apologize to whomever i should.
Quote from: held1823 on January 21, 2012, 11:21:46 AM
Quote from: 1HotDaytona on January 21, 2012, 11:06:01 AM
Quote from: held1823 on January 21, 2012, 10:48:17 AM
sure, i get it. i'm even capable of stating my opinion without getting personal about it, nor having negativity beyond the topic at hand.
Then I suggest you try that some time.
excuse me? show me where i've gotten personal anywhere in this thread, or where my "negative" and "narrow minded" opinion has gone beyond clones, which ARE the topic at hand. i will gladly eat those words, and apologize to whomever i should.
The topic started out about ONE particular Clone. You turned it into your own debacle about how much you despise clones. Thats the part where I suggest you keep it to yourself. It just plain wasn't need, wanted, or asked for.
Point is: If you dont like clones ,fine. Just stay out of clone threads. Its simple. All you do is creat trouble when you enter those particular threads.
Quote from: 1HotDaytona on January 21, 2012, 11:31:24 AM
The topic started out about ONE particular Clone. You turned it into your own debacle about how much you despise clones. Thats the part where I suggest you keep it to yourself. It just plain wasn't need, wanted, or asked for.
i asked one question, with no intention of causing anything. my opinion of clones did not weigh in to that question, and did not cause trouble within this thread until after clone supporters took offense to a perceived slight. you state this...
Quote from: 1HotDaytona on January 21, 2012, 01:01:58 AM
....We are all allowed to have our opimions...
... then you suggest i should not have expressed mine. was it needed, wanted, or asked for? no. neither were twenty other opinions, none of which were needed, wanted, or asked for. you are right, this thread started out in regards to a single clone. why not take exception to the negative opinions expressed about the car itself? i'm sure whoever built it would find none of those opinions needed, wanted, or asked for.
the only reason you have an issue with my opinion, is because it is different than your own. am i sorry i shared it? no. would i do it again? probably not, if only to keep a clone thread from gaining continuing exposure. as far as expressing regret for the continuing nonsense, i did so six pages ago.
Quote from: held1823 on January 21, 2012, 12:11:40 PM
Quote from: 1HotDaytona on January 21, 2012, 11:31:24 AM
The topic started out about ONE particular Clone. You turned it into your own debacle about how much you despise clones. Thats the part where I suggest you keep it to yourself. It just plain wasn't need, wanted, or asked for.
i asked one question, with no intention of causing anything. my opinion of clones did not weigh in to that question, and did not cause trouble within this thread until after clone supporters took offense to a perceived slight. you state this...
Quote from: 1HotDaytona on January 21, 2012, 01:01:58 AM
....We are all allowed to have our opimions...
... then you suggest i should not have expressed mine. was it needed, wanted, or asked for? no. neither were twenty other opinions, none of which were needed, wanted, or asked for. you are right, this thread started out in regards to a single clone. why not take exception to the negative opinions expressed about the car itself? i'm sure whoever built it would find none of those opinions needed, wanted, or asked for.
the only reason you have an issue with my opinion, is because it is different than your own. am i sorry i shared it? no. would i do it again? probably not, if only to keep a clone thread from gaining continuing exposure. as far as expressing regret for the continuing nonsense, i did so six pages ago.
Obviously you dont see the problem with the way you derailed this thread ,and for that I am sorry.
And now for that lock you were hoping for ...........