B5 Bird on E-bay

[WINGIN IT]

Looking for opinions on what you guys think a good buying price for this bird :

http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=180667754827&ssPageName=STRK:MEWAX:IT

It was listed a few years back and last year.  High bids have ranged from $65K to low 80s .
Owner at the time  I looked at it 2 years ago was looking for six figures for the car.

Nice car, overall, condition wise - one quarter replaced, added tic-toc-tac.
Non-number's matching engine - but date code correct, stamped with VIN from dealer. Matching tranny.
Repro tag and window sticker, no buildsheet.
14" wheels .

This number's matching B5 auto on the column with A?C and original sheetmetal and a repaint bid to $99K just recently. Current asking price is $109K . 
http://www.dodgecharger.com/forum/index.php/topic,80175.0.html

[BigBlockSam]

 

[hemi68charger]

   Like those 4-speed benches.............

[WINGIN IT]

  Like those 4-speed benches.............

Yeah me too 

[pettybird]

try to take corners in one and you'll change your mind.  at least you have a huge shifter to hold on to. 

[WINGIN IT]

try to take corners in one and you'll change your mind.  at least you have a huge shifter to hold on to. 

Do we not wear our seatbelt 

[hemi68charger]

try to take corners in one and you'll change your mind.  at least you have a huge shifter to hold on to.  

Well,,when I have fun with my winged wonder, I pretend I'm at Talladega or Daytona, not Riverside or Watkins-Glen...    

[nascarxx29]

I was reminded of this B5 car following this post owned by Zachary .Same car??

http://www.dodgecharger.com/forum/index.php/topic,69012.0.html

[hemigeno]

Non-number's matching engine - but date code correct, stamped with VIN from dealer. Matching tranny.

OK, riddle me this...

If a car had its engine replaced (assumedly under warranty), the dealer would not have worried about getting a date-correct block to reinstall, would they?

"Date-correct engine" and "dealer-stamped VIN" are two things I would not expect to see on the same car -- unless the engine gave up the ghost just a few weeks after delivery (to the dealership, that is).

[hemi68charger]

Non-number's matching engine - but date code correct, stamped with VIN from dealer. Matching tranny.

OK, riddle me this...

If a car had its engine replaced (assumedly under warranty), the dealer would not have worried about getting a date-correct block to reinstall, would they?

"Date-correct engine" and "dealer-stamped VIN" are two things I would not expect to see on the same car -- unless the engine gave up the ghost just a few weeks after delivery (to the dealership, that is).

Geno,
The ONLY reason I could think of a dealership service department restamping the VIN on a replacement/warranty block would be that of the request by the customer for tracking purposes in case of theft... back then, there was no such thing as "number's matching" in the sense we use today in this hobby. I would think it would be 100% towards tracking down the motor in the event the vehicle was stolen......

[nascarxx29]

Looks up 1978-79 Mike Zachary  Henderson KY RM23UOA179768

[nascarxx29]

http://www.dodgecharger.com/forum/index.php/topic,72073.0.html

[WINGIN IT]

Appears to be the same vehicle.
Good info, thanks.

Anyone care to give a ballpark on the car in it's current state?

[moparstuart]

desirable color and 4 speed  maybe 100k ?

[hemigeno]

Geno,
The ONLY reason I could think of a dealership service department restamping the VIN on a replacement/warranty block would be that of the request by the customer for tracking purposes in case of theft... back then, there was no such thing as "number's matching" in the sense we use today in this hobby. I would think it would be 100% towards tracking down the motor in the event the vehicle was stolen......

Yeah, I understand all that.  I don't recall exactly where such instructions are given, but supposedly service replacement blocks were to be embossed with the car's VIN.  To this point the stories I've heard from dealership service dept. workers (mostly 2nd-hand, but still stories nonetheless) all say that they never took the time to do this.  Of course, the couple of stories I've heard represent a very small sampling of actual warranty replacements back then.

Nonetheless, I highly doubt that a dealership would have ever installed a "date correct" engine unless it failed VERY early in the car's life.  It could have happened, of course, but it doesn't seem likely.  Otherwise, Chrysler would have sent out a block (or shortblock engine assembly) dated somewhere close to when the claim was submitted. 

My point is, I find it a little hard to believe that it was the dealer that happened to stamp the VIN, AND that it was stamped on a "date correct" engine block.  Maybe I'm just too much of a conspiracy theorist, I dunno.

[WINGR]

  Like those 4-speed benches.............

Yeah me too 

Me three

[WINGIN IT]

  Like those 4-speed benches.............

Yeah me too 

Me three

Rub in there WINGR... scoopin' up the last B5 4spd that was "for sale"   

[WINGR]

Maybe the one that's for sale will end up in your garage, good luck.

[hemi68charger]

Geno,
The ONLY reason I could think of a dealership service department restamping the VIN on a replacement/warranty block would be that of the request by the customer for tracking purposes in case of theft... back then, there was no such thing as "number's matching" in the sense we use today in this hobby. I would think it would be 100% towards tracking down the motor in the event the vehicle was stolen......

Yeah, I understand all that.  I don't recall exactly where such instructions are given, but supposedly service replacement blocks were to be embossed with the car's VIN.  To this point the stories I've heard from dealership service dept. workers (mostly 2nd-hand, but still stories nonetheless) all say that they never took the time to do this.  Of course, the couple of stories I've heard represent a very small sampling of actual warranty replacements back then.

Nonetheless, I highly doubt that a dealership would have ever installed a "date correct" engine unless it failed VERY early in the car's life.  It could have happened, of course, but it doesn't seem likely.  Otherwise, Chrysler would have sent out a block (or shortblock engine assembly) dated somewhere close to when the claim was submitted. 

My point is, I find it a little hard to believe that it was the dealer that happened to stamp the VIN, AND that it was stamped on a "date correct" engine block.  Maybe I'm just too much of a conspiracy theorist, I dunno.

I 100% agree... Just stating the "what-if".......   

[pettybird]

try to take corners in one and you'll change your mind.  at least you have a huge shifter to hold on to. 

Do we not wear our seatbelt 

seat belts only work on left hand turns for the driver and right hand turns for the passenger!

[WINGIN IT]

Maybe the one that's for sale will end up in your garage, good luck.

Doesn't look like it was meant to be, unfortunately with this one.
But appreciate the optimistic reply.

[WINGIN IT]

try to take corners in one and you'll change your mind.  at least you have a huge shifter to hold on to. 

Do we not wear our seatbelt 

seat belts only work on left hand turns for the driver and right hand turns for the passenger!

Is that right..  
Guess those engineers didn't thunk out their design very well...

[WINGIN IT]

I was reminded of this B5 car following this post owned by Zachary .Same car??

http://www.dodgecharger.com/forum/index.php/topic,69012.0.html

So based on the above previous thread, is the consensus, that both quarters were replaced, and the engine nor the tranny are original to the car?
Or did I not read that thread correctly?

Does anyone know if the original fender tag for this car is still around?

[Aero426]

The Zachary family had something approaching ten wing cars +/- at one time, quite a sight in the yard.  So I cannot say whether the car mentioned in the other thread is the one for sale now.    He had more than one blue Superbird.  

I don't remember if it is the tag or build sheet, but one of them is still around.   The current owner was not able to acquire it to reunite it with the car.  He could tell you which one it is.   I suspect it is an item that may be available for the right $$$.   

[WINGIN IT]

Everything is for sale for the right price, right?
Including this bird...
Unfortunately the "right" price is "wrong" for me...