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« on: November 01, 2018, 10:53:59 AM »

original f3 car, according to the fender tag and build sheet

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« Reply #1 on: November 01, 2018, 10:54:22 AM »

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« Reply #3 on: November 01, 2018, 10:55:07 AM »

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« Reply #14 on: November 01, 2018, 11:08:02 AM »

Says new gas tank but there are a lot of dents in it near the front
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« Reply #15 on: November 01, 2018, 12:26:59 PM »

Slick way to do the back glass stainless trim if you don't have the original.......

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« Reply #16 on: November 01, 2018, 12:56:43 PM »

So is it worth any less because it is not the same colour green as on fender tag ?
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« Reply #17 on: November 01, 2018, 03:06:45 PM »

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« Reply #18 on: November 01, 2018, 03:53:35 PM »

I don’t recall this car being numbers matching when it was for sale at Carlisle, I think 10+ years ago. I can’t recall what year it was though, but there was a Y2 Hemi 500 4 speed car for sale that year too. XX29J9B210740.

Of course this is all off top of my head, as I am driving home from work. If I am wrong I will correct it when I get home.
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« Reply #19 on: November 01, 2018, 03:54:38 PM »

I like the color but I would prefer it in its original born-with baby poo F3.  Twocents
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« Reply #20 on: November 01, 2018, 07:56:01 PM »

Wow... the "fit" of panels, components, trim, etc is just horrible on this car!.....almost 6 figures for that?... sad
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« Reply #21 on: November 01, 2018, 10:34:22 PM »

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« Reply #22 on: November 02, 2018, 12:36:20 PM »

I like the exterior color, but the interior color on top of the exterior is um, well, maybe a little much for me.   eek
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« Reply #23 on: November 02, 2018, 05:17:51 PM »

The fit on the passenger side headlight surround is awful....And how hard is it to fit an armrest....One of them looks like a banana  shruggy
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« Reply #24 on: November 18, 2018, 01:02:37 PM »

The fit on the passenger side headlight surround is awful....And how hard is it to fit an armrest....One of them looks like a banana  shruggy

That was the first thing that went true my mind to.
How is it possible to get the headlight surrounding so wrong if the baskets/front clip is okay?

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« Reply #25 on: November 18, 2018, 01:37:24 PM »

The fit on the passenger side headlight surround is awful....And how hard is it to fit an armrest....One of them looks like a banana  shruggy

That was the first thing that went true my mind to.
How is it possible to get the headlight surrounding so wrong if the baskets/front clip is okay?

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« Reply #26 on: November 03, 2019, 10:47:40 PM »

Looks like the real numbers matching engine would like to have a word with the imposter.

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Looks like the real numbers matching engine would like to have a word with the imposter.

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Shocked  this don't look good ... it had to happen at one time ! the original motor turning up , actually this is not the first time ive heard this happening, i'm sure the Hemi owners will or more likely to have had or going to have this happen as their value increases & more cars that were previously unknown or suposadly destroyed in the 70s , make a return as a perfectly restored car with matching numbers motor.


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« Reply #28 on: November 04, 2019, 08:12:07 AM »

How come the vin on the motor in the car has letters and numbers that looked like they are raised and not stamped in ??
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« Reply #29 on: November 04, 2019, 08:18:45 AM »

I looked at this car a few years ago I noticed the rear window trim was not correct. Overall not a bad car.
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« Reply #30 on: November 04, 2019, 01:06:42 PM »

I don't know what you guys are complaining about, the only thing better than one matching numbers engine, is two matching numbers engines, right? Lol
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« Reply #31 on: November 04, 2019, 02:04:13 PM »

I don't know what you guys are complaining about, the only thing better than one matching numbers engine, is two matching numbers engines, right? Lol
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« Reply #32 on: November 04, 2019, 04:09:33 PM »

So is it worth any less because it is not the same colour green as on fender tag ?


Considering how nice F6 looks, arguably not significantly less.

Fender tag appears to be a repop.
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« Reply #33 on: November 04, 2019, 04:13:37 PM »

Buyer to Vanguard salesman. ....is that 500 matching numbers? Salesman to buyer ......twice times!
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« Reply #34 on: November 04, 2019, 04:14:43 PM »

Regardless of the block in the car,  any time I see a Facebook post from an attractive chick for a sought after part (that only one guy needs), it makes me wonder how legit it is.    


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« Reply #35 on: November 04, 2019, 08:00:41 PM »

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 lol  I was thinking the same thing.

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« Reply #36 on: November 04, 2019, 09:35:46 PM »

How come the vin on the motor in the car has letters and numbers that looked like they are raised and not stamped in ??

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« Reply #37 on: November 05, 2019, 05:12:51 AM »

True story- not that many years ago we had a 69 Camaro turn up at auction that the seller described to us as numbers matching.  Upon the cars arrival it was determined that the engine had been restamped.  When we called the seller out on it and told him the engine in the car was NOT numbers matching he told us, "yes it is, I know for sure its numbers matching because I stamped the numbers in the block myself".
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« Reply #38 on: November 05, 2019, 08:20:04 AM »

I guess numbers matching and original numbers matching motor mean two totally different things  rofl 
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« Reply #39 on: November 05, 2019, 08:38:59 AM »

True story- not that many years ago we had a 69 Camaro turn up at auction that the seller described to us as numbers matching.  Upon the cars arrival it was determined that the engine had been restamped.  When we called the seller out on it and told him the engine in the car was NOT numbers matching he told us, "yes it is, I know for sure its numbers matching because I stamped the numbers in the block myself".

Now that there is some funny shit!  A real wizard! I had a 71 G 440 HP engine that the top pad looks like monkeys stamped the numbers in it. I bought a 71 Charger R / T  from my friend, and he wanted to keep the engine block, so I traded him my block,for the matching numbers engine block, and the matching numbers engine blocks top pad looked like the same monkeys stamped that one too!
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« Reply #40 on: November 05, 2019, 09:16:51 AM »

Slick way to do the back glass stainless trim if you don't have the original.......



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« Reply #41 on: November 05, 2019, 09:46:11 AM »

I guess numbers matching and original numbers matching motor mean two totally different things  rofl 

Man, it IS getting to point of splitting hairs...…. And I don't have much to give up any more...…. :-)
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« Reply #42 on: November 05, 2019, 11:15:51 AM »

Regardless of the block in the car,  any time I see a Facebook post from an attractive chick for a sought after part (that only one guy needs), it makes me wonder how legit it is.    

OK, in case anybody is wondering, I tried to find the information for the (661) 202-7659 phone number listed in the Facebook posting.  For this one it turned up still questionable, all I could find was Gwendolyn Dacie at Katherine Manor Ct. in Hamilton OH.  Attempting to find Gwendolyn Dacie or any information about her proved to be difficult so far.  It is strange because the 661 area code with 202 should be out in California, maybe Riverside or Commerce.  I found another mention of Gwendoly Dacie on Sword Court in Santa Maria California, so maybe that is the previous address or maybe the current address.

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« Reply #43 on: November 05, 2019, 01:43:46 PM »

661 area code is Santa Clarita, just outside of LA - So Cal.
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« Reply #44 on: November 05, 2019, 05:05:39 PM »


A lot of folks move and keep their phone number.    Twocents

Not like the old days!
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« Reply #45 on: November 05, 2019, 07:31:37 PM »


A lot of folks move and keep their phone number.    Twocents

Not like the old days!

With cell phones it is now very common.

The other number I found for Gwendolyn Dacie was an (808) 212-xxxx number, which is in Santa Maria, California.

I'd be interested if anybody has tried to call the 661 phone number listed in the Facebook post.
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« Reply #46 on: November 06, 2019, 08:58:56 AM »

I have a friend who collects unrestored Mopars. One of the cars he owns came with a 340 long block in a crate directly from the Plymouth dealer. It still had the warranty instructions for the mechanic. In the instructions from Ma Mopar it tells the mechanic to stamp the VIN in the new block. No extra or special markings were discussed. After seeing this I figure that there are a lot of "restamped" blocks done out there that are merely just warranty engines from back in the day.
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« Reply #47 on: November 06, 2019, 09:18:27 AM »

I have a friend who collects unrestored Mopars. One of the cars he owns came with a 340 long block in a crate directly from the Plymouth dealer. It still had the warranty instructions for the mechanic. In the instructions from Ma Mopar it tells the mechanic to stamp the VIN in the new block. No extra or special markings were discussed. After seeing this I figure that there are a lot of "restamped" blocks done out there that are merely just warranty engines from back in the day.
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« Reply #48 on: November 06, 2019, 10:10:17 AM »

I have a friend who collects unrestored Mopars. One of the cars he owns came with a 340 long block in a crate directly from the Plymouth dealer. It still had the warranty instructions for the mechanic. In the instructions from Ma Mopar it tells the mechanic to stamp the VIN in the new block. No extra or special markings were discussed. After seeing this I figure that there are a lot of "restamped" blocks done out there that are merely just warranty engines from back in the day.

    Wow, if you could send us a pic of those instructions, that could change the classic car world significantly. Then we can study the type of font used and depth to stamp the blocks....
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« Reply #49 on: November 06, 2019, 02:58:39 PM »

I have a friend who collects unrestored Mopars. One of the cars he owns came with a 340 long block in a crate directly from the Plymouth dealer. It still had the warranty instructions for the mechanic. In the instructions from Ma Mopar it tells the mechanic to stamp the VIN in the new block. No extra or special markings were discussed. After seeing this I figure that there are a lot of "restamped" blocks done out there that are merely just warranty engines from back in the day.

    Wow, if you could send us a pic of those instructions, that could change the classic car world significantly. Then we can study the type of font used and depth to stamp the blocks....

I will see what I can do.
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« Reply #50 on: November 06, 2019, 06:05:51 PM »

I have a friend who collects unrestored Mopars. One of the cars he owns came with a 340 long block in a crate directly from the Plymouth dealer. It still had the warranty instructions for the mechanic. In the instructions from Ma Mopar it tells the mechanic to stamp the VIN in the new block. No extra or special markings were discussed. After seeing this I figure that there are a lot of "restamped" blocks done out there that are merely just warranty engines from back in the day.

    Wow, if you could send us a pic of those instructions, that could change the classic car world significantly. Then we can study the type of font used and depth to stamp the blocks....

I will see what I can do.

interesting  info !! would love to hear more about this if you get the chance  cheers
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« Reply #51 on: November 07, 2019, 05:24:49 AM »

I wonder how many dealers actually bothered to stamp.  Flat rate=fix it fast and get to the next one.
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« Reply #52 on: November 11, 2019, 12:01:40 PM »

Interesting, both the body tag and build sheet show C21 Buddy Seat but it appears to have a C16 center console.  Any guesses why?
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« Reply #53 on: November 12, 2019, 06:01:46 AM »

Swapped out during the restoration.
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« Reply #54 on: November 13, 2019, 10:44:39 PM »

Recently the matching motor appeared on Facebook. The person was trying to reunite the car with it. Not sure what the outcome will be as the car is supposed to have a matching #s block already in it.
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« Reply #55 on: November 29, 2019, 01:31:09 AM »

The car is listed near me today.


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« Reply #56 on: November 29, 2019, 04:31:04 AM »

The car is listed near me today.

that listing will get someone scammed
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« Reply #57 on: November 29, 2019, 04:53:57 AM »

I thing a man of his experience knows that. If its not Ill have two at that price please!.....even in that vomit (or should that be Kermit!) inducing colour. smilielol
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