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XX29J9B383276 Hemi Daytona - Mecum Indianapolis May 2022 - Lot R451

Started by held1823, April 13, 2022, 09:12:31 PM

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held1823

https://www.mecum.com/lots/SC0522-502693/1969-dodge-hemi-daytona/

Based on the crazy amount recently paid for a Hemi Bird, this should be the first million dollar wing car
Ernie Helderbrand
XX29L9B409053

held1823

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mopar4ya

So, in this crazy mixed up world, what do you guys think it will bring. Anyone think the color will effect what it hammers down at?

DownZero


TiMopar

Quote from: mopar4ya on April 17, 2022, 06:44:49 PM
So, in this crazy mixed up world, what do you guys think it will bring. Anyone think the color will effect what it hammers down at?

F8 is my favorite on a Daytona, so it would be my choice. Wasn't the record for a B-Body hardtop an F8 70 Hemi Coronet R/T?

426HemiChick

Quote from: DownZero on April 17, 2022, 07:47:33 PM
My guess: between 900k and 1.2 mil.

Hi DownZero,               18 April 2022

Think you're in the ballpark. If it doesn't crack the $Mil bar, something is wrong.

A Black, Hemi Orange or Bright Red (Tor-Red ??) would be my preferences.

This particular car looks like the one featured in a 1969 Playboy issue, probably long before you joined us here on Spaceship Earth. Do have the picture from that issue. It's here somewhere; if we find it we'll post it. Any possibility it's that same car? If it is, that could cause the bid to top $1.5 Mil . . . .  or more.

There are members here that have Hemi Daytona's, member "69hemidaytona" has one that recently came out of a Roger Gibson restoration and  Bob Jennings' Original Survivor Hemi Daytona. Our guess is both would top $2Mil.

There are good restorers out there; Roger Gibson wrote the book on Mopar restoration, his work is impeccable and perfect.

Hi Mopar4ya,

Green in and out; just too much green. It may affect the hammer price unless it's the car from the Playboy article.

Best Always

426 Hemi Chicks
Veteran - US Navy  Ex-Smoker (05 Mar 69) 55 years, heading for 100, 45 to go. Still lots to learn, lots to make up for. Weren't no angel. Fugitive from Southlake TX's Kangaroo Court

mopar4ya


426HemiChick

Quote from: mopar4ya on April 18, 2022, 07:49:27 PM
The Playboy Daytona was Spring Green, not F8.

Thanks for clearing that up.

Take care.

God Bless

Best Always

426 Hemi Chicks
Veteran - US Navy  Ex-Smoker (05 Mar 69) 55 years, heading for 100, 45 to go. Still lots to learn, lots to make up for. Weren't no angel. Fugitive from Southlake TX's Kangaroo Court

nascarxx29

1969 R4 Daytona XX29L9B410772
1970 EV2 Superbird RM23UOA174597
1970 FY1 Superbird RM23UOA166242
1970 EV2 Superbird RM23VOA179697
1968 426 Road Runner RM21J8A134509
1970 Coronet RT WS23UOA224126
1970 Daytona Clone XP29GOG178701

AKcharger


hemi68charger

Quote from: AKcharger on April 21, 2022, 03:52:11 AM
Super nice car...but as mentioned above, too much green  :puke:

Since I live in a "beggers can't be choosers" world and the fact that the number of Hemi Daytonas available are counted with the fingers on one hand, I could deal with green surrounding E74 and D21 codes... :-)
Troy
'69 Charger Daytona 440 auto 4.10 Dana ( now 426 HEMI )
'70 Superbird 426 Hemi auto: Lindsley Bonneville Salt Flat world record holder (220.2mph)
Houston Mopar Club Connection

Sgt Superbird


426HemiChick

Quote from: Sgt Superbird on April 21, 2022, 08:26:41 AM
I totally agree, hemi68charger.

Hi Sgt Superbird, hemi68charger,           21 April 2022

Amen; not many to choose from.

Oh where are the dies for the 69 Daytona's? Would love to own them; just think, New 69 Hemi Daytona's. If only . . . .

Think the $990K Superbird will force the price for the Hemi Daytona to eclipse it by a large margin . . . . as it should.

Won't be long and we'll know.

Best Always

426 Hemi Chicks
Veteran - US Navy  Ex-Smoker (05 Mar 69) 55 years, heading for 100, 45 to go. Still lots to learn, lots to make up for. Weren't no angel. Fugitive from Southlake TX's Kangaroo Court

hemi68charger

Quote from: 426HemiChick on April 21, 2022, 12:17:24 PM
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Think the $990K Superbird will force the price for the Hemi Daytona to eclipse it by a large margin . . . . as it should.

Won't be long and we'll know.

Best Always

426 Hemi Chicks

Yeah, it'll be curious since I have a Hemi Bird pretty much like the one that sold recently and the pedigree of a Bonneville Salt Flat racer.... Who would have EVER thought it, I know not me.... :shruggy:
Troy
'69 Charger Daytona 440 auto 4.10 Dana ( now 426 HEMI )
'70 Superbird 426 Hemi auto: Lindsley Bonneville Salt Flat world record holder (220.2mph)
Houston Mopar Club Connection

69hemidaytona

Having a 4 speed definitely helps but the colors do not. Nowhere does it say matching numbers engine and transmission. Does anybody know what the status of that is?

Aero426

Quote from: 426HemiChick on April 21, 2022, 12:17:24 PM

Think the $990K Superbird will force the price for the Hemi Daytona to eclipse it by a large margin . . . . as it should.



Should and would are two different things.   It's two different crowds in two different venues on two different days.     So it's hard to say that the Daytona will blow away the January Superbird number.   It's also a reserve car, so unless it breaks that number, it's hard to know where the real money stops.      Beautiful car.  I don't mind the colors, but others might be less enthusiastic.    My guess is it will not sell. 

6bblgt

here's an ad from 2006 stating "numbers matching" (also reported as such in the GG document above), a pic from the "HEMI Nationals" (or "Mopar Nationals" ??) with RECALL wheels
& back-in-the-day sporting a bumper and white vinyl top while enjoying the heat in AZ  :2thumbs:

426HemiChick

Hi Folks,                26 April 2022

Having followed the various links on this site and seeing what appears to be a Daytona with a strange history: Accident, missing nose, white vinyl top now gone, numerous owners, etc.

Have our doubts that it will crack $900K. It's sure not original and nothing we have read mentions who did the restoration, though it's possible we missed that bit of info.

The fact that it's green on green on green is way too much green to bring lots of $$Green.

We are now inclined to side with Aero426, that it will not sell.

In reality, in today's world where one person buys an Internet site for $44 BILLION, anything is possible. Old saying: "A fool and his money are soon parted." Time will tell.

Best Always

426 Hemi Chicks
Veteran - US Navy  Ex-Smoker (05 Mar 69) 55 years, heading for 100, 45 to go. Still lots to learn, lots to make up for. Weren't no angel. Fugitive from Southlake TX's Kangaroo Court

6bblgt

it is easily in the top half of the surviving HEMI 4-speed DAYTONAS, one would have to be a real student of the game to know where in the top 10 it would fall

if you can deal with the "dark green metallic" I would hazard a guess that it is in the top 5 and it is available - many or the rest of the top 10 are not

Daytonas like your former HEMI automatic car are unicorns - most have been around the block many times

odcics2

If you don't like green there is always blue...  :2thumbs:

if this car sells, or not, it may have an impact on what DC-93 will sell for
at no reserve.   :Twocents:
I've never owned anything but a MoPar. Can you say that?

taxspeaker

F8 green is a fantastic color, but I think this will stall out around 500k and be a no sale. Although the Daytona is clearly a better looking car than a SuperBird, it just never seems to have quite caught the fiery desire that people have to own a Bird. However, as others have said, there are so few Hemi Daytonas out there, with even fewer ever up for sale, this being a 4-speed could bring in a real bidding war. I will stick with the no-sale at $500k-there are just not enough people with that kind of desire and money willing to part with it. Kissimmee 2022 prices were a once in a lifetime confluence of many factors that fed the prices paid, and we won't see that again. I do plan on being there to watch the show-so many wings and good cars going through that day it will be exciting. Motor Trend TV always seems to cut to ads when a Mopar comes across, so I cancelled my subscription to it and will drive up the 21st to watch.

In 3 weeks I may be asking what goes good with "crow" while I am eating it!
Bob J

426HemiChick

Quote from: 6bblgt on April 27, 2022, 12:51:57 AM
it is easily in the top half of the surviving HEMI 4-speed DAYTONAS, one would have to be a real student of the game to know where in the top 10 it would fall

if you can deal with the "dark green metallic" I would hazard a guess that it is in the top 5 and it is available - many or the rest of the top 10 are not

Daytonas like your former HEMI automatic car are unicorns - most have been around the block many times

Hi 6bblgt,              27 April 2022

Does anyone know who did the restoration on the Green 4 spd Hemi Daytona in Question? The answer could be a large factor in what this car brings. If it were a Roger Gibson restoration then all bets are off on the $$$ it rings up. If it's some run of the mill resto shop it won't stand a chance of breaking a record.

Bob Jennings' Hemi Daytona is so original it will be difficult to find another to top it.

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There are members here that have Hemi Daytona's, member "69hemidaytona" has one that recently came out of a Roger Gibson restoration and  Bob Jennings' Original Survivor Hemi Daytona. Our guess is both would top $2Mil.

Time will tell. It's going to be interesting.

Best Always

426 Hemi Chicks
Veteran - US Navy  Ex-Smoker (05 Mar 69) 55 years, heading for 100, 45 to go. Still lots to learn, lots to make up for. Weren't no angel. Fugitive from Southlake TX's Kangaroo Court

426HemiChick

Quote from: taxspeaker on April 27, 2022, 07:40:18 AM

In 3 weeks I may be asking what goes good with "crow" while I am eating it!
Bob J

Hi Bob,                  27 April 2022

May we suggest "Sweet Baby Ray's BBQ Sauce," it's the cat's meow of BBQ sauces.

It'll make it easy getting that crow down.

Best Always

426 Hemi Chicks
Veteran - US Navy  Ex-Smoker (05 Mar 69) 55 years, heading for 100, 45 to go. Still lots to learn, lots to make up for. Weren't no angel. Fugitive from Southlake TX's Kangaroo Court

69hemidaytona

Quote from: 426HemiChick on April 27, 2022, 05:58:35 PM
Quote from: 6bblgt on April 27, 2022, 12:51:57 AM
it is easily in the top half of the surviving HEMI 4-speed DAYTONAS, one would have to be a real student of the game to know where in the top 10 it would fall

if you can deal with the "dark green metallic" I would hazard a guess that it is in the top 5 and it is available - many or the rest of the top 10 are not

Daytonas like your former HEMI automatic car are unicorns - most have been around the block many times

Hi 6bblgt,              27 April 2022

Does anyone know who did the restoration on the Green 4 spd Hemi Daytona in Question? The answer could be a large factor in what this car brings. If it were a Roger Gibson restoration then all bets are off on the $$$ it rings up. If it's some run of the mill resto shop it won't stand a chance of breaking a record.

Bob Jennings' Hemi Daytona is so original it will be difficult to find another to top it.

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There are members here that have Hemi Daytona's, member "69hemidaytona" has one that recently came out of a Roger Gibson restoration and  Bob Jennings' Original Survivor Hemi Daytona. Our guess is both would top $2Mil.

Time will tell. It's going to be interesting.

Best Always

426 Hemi Chicks
The restoration on that green car was definitely not done by Roger Gibson.

426HemiChick

Quote from: 69hemidaytona on April 28, 2022, 11:44:05 AM
The restoration on that green car was definitely not done by Roger Gibson.

Hi 69hemidaytona,            28 April 2022

If it were, that alone would have been headlined. There's only One Roger Gibson and he's Numero Uno !!!

Take Care.

Best Always

426 Hemi Chicks
Veteran - US Navy  Ex-Smoker (05 Mar 69) 55 years, heading for 100, 45 to go. Still lots to learn, lots to make up for. Weren't no angel. Fugitive from Southlake TX's Kangaroo Court

69hemidaytona

Quote from: 426HemiChick on April 28, 2022, 12:57:36 PM
Quote from: 69hemidaytona on April 28, 2022, 11:44:05 AM
The restoration on that green car was definitely not done by Roger Gibson.

Hi 69hemidaytona,            28 April 2022

If it were, that alone would have been headlined. There's only One Roger Gibson and he's Numero Uno !!!

Take Care.

Best Always

426 Hemi Chicks
I agree. He's expensive but it gets done right. I'm not even sure if he'll be doing anymore Daytona's. He's getting up there in age. Interesting fact.... He went to high school with Rush Limbaugh.

426HemiChick

Quote from: 69hemidaytona on April 28, 2022, 01:50:59 PM
I agree. He's expensive but it gets done right. I'm not even sure if he'll be doing anymore Daytona's. He's getting up there in age. Interesting fact.... He went to high school with Rush Limbaugh.

Hi 69hemidaytona,                29 April 2022

He's the Best and being the best, rightfully entitles him to be well compensated.

Excellence doesn't come cheap . . . . nor should it.

Remember: "Excellence in Broadcasting !!!" Birds of a feather, flock together.

While typing the date, we noticed we'll soon run out of April.

Best Always

426 Hemi Chicks
Veteran - US Navy  Ex-Smoker (05 Mar 69) 55 years, heading for 100, 45 to go. Still lots to learn, lots to make up for. Weren't no angel. Fugitive from Southlake TX's Kangaroo Court

gearbreath

Hello, my 2 cents on Roger Gibson. When my best friend past away Mr. Gibson came over to my friends  home to  look at his 1970 Challenger T/A , 1970 Plymouth AAR Cuda and 1968 Plymouth Road Runner and give advice on how to market them.  He made some calls on Families behalf and advised the person who would eventual purchase all 3 vehicles. Myself and my friends family were very grateful to him for this. I told Mr. Gibson upon meeting him this is like a baseball fan getting to meet an Idol like Mickey Mantle. Great Person in the Car hobby. Thank You Mr. Gibson. H Michael Smith

69_500

I think Doug nailed it on this car. I don't think it will meet whatever their reserve is. The car is nice, it is not great. it is a Hemi 4 speed Daytona which is top of the mountain in my book. the color though, is not good.

Of the other known HEMI 4 speed Daytona's that are number matching, to me personally this one doesn't make the top 5 at all. Let me stew on it a while because I am not sure I would put it in the top 10 of just the HEMI 4 speed Daytona's.

going off the top of my head, its behind 2 X9 Hemi 4 speeds, 2 V2 Hemi 4 speeds, both T5 Hemi 4 speeds are nicer, 2 R4 4 speeds are nicer. shoot I would put several of the Hemi auto cars ahead of this one as well as far as niceness and desirability goes. The options on this one are a nice plus, but I am not a huge green fan. its not the worst color to me personally, as I agree with Wayne P on what color is the worst on Daytona's.

held1823

Quote from: 69_500 on April 29, 2022, 05:19:36 PM
its not the worst color to me personally, as I agree with Wayne P on what color is the worst on Daytona's.

I would  take f8 over black every time if color was the deciding factor. You and Wayne may prefer the dime a dozen r4 and v2 ones over his much rarer color, but we both know the best (and rarest) color hemi Daytona is owned by our favorite Chicago taxi driver.
Ernie Helderbrand
XX29L9B409053

426HemiChick

Quote from: held1823 on April 29, 2022, 05:29:24 PM
Quote from: 69_500 on April 29, 2022, 05:19:36 PM
its not the worst color to me personally, as I agree with Wayne P on what color is the worst on Daytona's.

I would  take f8 over black every time if color was the deciding factor. You and Wayne may prefer the dime a dozen r4 and v2 ones over his much rarer color, but we both know the best (and rarest) color hemi Daytona is owned by our favorite Chicago taxi driver.

Hi Ernie,               29 April 2022

Who's the Chicago Taxi Driver and what is the rarest color for a Hemi Daytona ?

Personally, we like V2, R4 and Black with a red stripe and wing. Color rarity doesn't interest us, it's what we personally find appealing. We sure wouldn't want the Matador Red that's currently on our Hemi RR, which is going to get a repaint, probably in R4, the same color that's on our 69 6-PK. Don't think V2 would look good on the RR. We are considering Black on Black, though not committed . . . . yet.

Well, this has become a lively thread; the livelier the better. Only a few days remain before the speculation will be proven one way or the other.

Take Care Ernie

Best Always

426 Hemi Chicks
Veteran - US Navy  Ex-Smoker (05 Mar 69) 55 years, heading for 100, 45 to go. Still lots to learn, lots to make up for. Weren't no angel. Fugitive from Southlake TX's Kangaroo Court

426HemiChick

Quote from: gearbreath on April 29, 2022, 02:59:41 PM
Hello, my 2 cents on Roger Gibson. When my best friend past away Mr. Gibson came over to my friends  home to  look at his 1970 Challenger T/A , 1970 Plymouth AAR Cuda and 1968 Plymouth Road Runner and give advice on how to market them.  He made some calls on Families behalf and advised the person who would eventual purchase all 3 vehicles. Myself and my friends family were very grateful to him for this. I told Mr. Gibson upon meeting him this is like a baseball fan getting to meet an Idol like Mickey Mantle. Great Person in the Car hobby. Thank You Mr. Gibson. H Michael Smith

Hi Mr. H Michael Smith,                   29 April 2022

Welcome to the site and thank you for your testimonial about Mr. Roger Gibson.

Best Always

426 Hemi Chicks
Veteran - US Navy  Ex-Smoker (05 Mar 69) 55 years, heading for 100, 45 to go. Still lots to learn, lots to make up for. Weren't no angel. Fugitive from Southlake TX's Kangaroo Court

69F8C500

Quote from: gearbreath on April 29, 2022, 02:59:41 PM
Hello, my 2 cents on Roger Gibson. When my best friend past away Mr. Gibson came over to my friends  home to  look at his 1970 Challenger T/A , 1970 Plymouth AAR Cuda and 1968 Plymouth Road Runner and give advice on how to market them.  He made some calls on Families behalf and advised the person who would eventual purchase all 3 vehicles. Myself and my friends family were very grateful to him for this. I told Mr. Gibson upon meeting him this is like a baseball fan getting to meet an Idol like Mickey Mantle. Great Person in the Car hobby. Thank You Mr. Gibson. H Michael Smith

Roger is a great guy. My dad went to his shop on a whim one day back in the 90s (we live only 2 hours away from his shop) and Roger gave him a 3 hour tour of the shop. If I had all the money in the world I would send our cars to him. But I currently don't have that kinda money, so the cars will sit.

69hemidaytona

I'm still a little confused about a couple of things. Galen's visual inspection appears to indicate that this car has its original numbers matching engine and transmission. I had always understood there was only one matching numbers Hemi Daytona 4 speed in existence. That being the Tim wellborn/ David Spade car. Maybe that's true, maybe it's not. Unless I'm not seeing it, mecum's description does not say it's a numbers matching engine and transmission. Also nowhere do we see photos of the engine or transmission stampings. If it is indeed numbers matching you would sure think they would describe that and possibly also show photos. The other question I have is that it appears there is only a photocopy of the broadcast sheet. Nowhere does it say the original broadcast sheet is included. I wonder where the original is.

426HemiChick

Quote from: 69hemidaytona on April 30, 2022, 12:56:43 PM
I'm still a little confused about a couple of things. Galen's visual inspection appears to indicate that this car has its original numbers matching engine and transmission. I had always understood there was only one matching numbers Hemi Daytona 4 speed in existence. That being the Tim wellborn/ David Spade car. Maybe that's true, maybe it's not. Unless I'm not seeing it, mecum's description does not say it's a numbers matching engine and transmission. Also nowhere do we see photos of the engine or transmission stampings. If it is indeed numbers matching you would sure think they would describe that and possibly also show photos. The other question I have is that it appears there is only a photocopy of the broadcast sheet. Nowhere does it say the original broadcast sheet is included. I wonder where the original is.

Hi 69hemidaytona,                 30 April 2022

"Nowhere does it say the original broadcast sheet is included. I wonder where the original is."

Your last sentence is answered in a number of posts relative to Bob Jennings' Hemi Daytona . . . . and others. We used to own that Daytona and Galen was holding the Build Sheet for us. After Bob Bought it, Galen tried a bit of extortion. Bob wouldn't play Galen's game and then Bob found a build sheet in the car totally destroying Galen's bid to extort $25K for the build sheet that is rightfully Bob's.

There are folks here that have a very low opinion of GG. We sure wouldn't leave our wallets lying around with Galen in the room. Look around the net and you will find his reputation is lower than Whale shit.

Take Care

Best Always

426 Hemi Chicks
Veteran - US Navy  Ex-Smoker (05 Mar 69) 55 years, heading for 100, 45 to go. Still lots to learn, lots to make up for. Weren't no angel. Fugitive from Southlake TX's Kangaroo Court

69hemidaytona

Quote from: 426HemiChick on April 30, 2022, 08:48:48 PM
Quote from: 69hemidaytona on April 30, 2022, 12:56:43 PM
I'm still a little confused about a couple of things. Galen's visual inspection appears to indicate that this car has its original numbers matching engine and transmission. I had always understood there was only one matching numbers Hemi Daytona 4 speed in existence. That being the Tim wellborn/ David Spade car. Maybe that's true, maybe it's not. Unless I'm not seeing it, mecum's description does not say it's a numbers matching engine and transmission. Also nowhere do we see photos of the engine or transmission stampings. If it is indeed numbers matching you would sure think they would describe that and possibly also show photos. The other question I have is that it appears there is only a photocopy of the broadcast sheet. Nowhere does it say the original broadcast sheet is included. I wonder where the original is.

Hi 69hemidaytona,                 30 April 2022

"Nowhere does it say the original broadcast sheet is included. I wonder where the original is."

Your last sentence is answered in a number of posts relative to Bob Jennings' Hemi Daytona . . . . and others. We used to own that Daytona and Galen was holding the Build Sheet for us. After Bob Bought it, Galen tried a bit of extortion. Bob wouldn't play Galen's game and then Bob found a build sheet in the car totally destroying Galen's bid to extort $25K for the build sheet that is rightfully Bob's.

There are folks here that have a very low opinion of GG. We sure wouldn't leave our wallets lying around with Galen in the room. Look around the net and you will find his reputation is lower than Whale shit.

Take Care

Best Always

426 Hemi Chicks
Yikes. How is it that Galen was holding your broadcast sheet for you? Did you send it to him?

426HemiChick

Quote from: 69hemidaytona on May 01, 2022, 01:29:44 PM
Yikes. How is it that Galen was holding your broadcast sheet for you? Did you send it to him?

Hi 69hemidaytona,               01 May 2022

Yikes, where'd April go???

Rather than rehash what has already been posted on the sordid antics of GG, go to the start of the GG Extortion story:

Page 3, Post 61, of the following thread:

Quote from: taxspeaker on November 13, 2020, 06:17:51 PM
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Tomorrow I will be pulling the rear seat, looking under it and behind the glove box and under the carpet for a broadcast sheet. Galen wanted $25,000 (not a misprint) for mine, and I don't need it that bad, just would like to have it-a difference between needs and wants.

It has a Happy Ending in that Bob found an original Build Sheet inside the Daytona, destroying Galen's attempt at extortion and helping cement his reputation as a "Low Life" and a greedy, sleazy scoundrel.

In his defense, he did offer to send it to us in 2006 when we first registered the car with him. We asked him to keep it for us, to which he agreed to do. Sometimes things don't turn out the way one had hoped. We know it cost him quite a lot of money to store it in a folder inside a file cabinet, which we are certain required a herculean effort on his part.

Thanks, Take Care.

Best Always

426 Hemi Chicks
Veteran - US Navy  Ex-Smoker (05 Mar 69) 55 years, heading for 100, 45 to go. Still lots to learn, lots to make up for. Weren't no angel. Fugitive from Southlake TX's Kangaroo Court

gearbreath

Hello, 426 Chicks, Thank you for your response on welcoming me  ;) to site. I have been on this site since you started posting and really enjoyed your input and knowledge along with your  kindness in regards to giving another member a pair of Daytona fenders. True Great Spirit in the hobby. Thanks Again. H Michael Smith

426HemiChick

Quote from: gearbreath on May 01, 2022, 07:17:39 PM
Hello, 426 Chicks, Thank you for your response on welcoming me  ;) to site. I have been on this site since you started posting and really enjoyed your input and knowledge along with your  kindness in regards to giving another member a pair of Daytona fenders. True Great Spirit in the hobby. Thanks Again. H Michael Smith

Hi Mr. Smith,                  01 May 2022

Thank you for your kind and generous comments. This is a great site filled with great folks that love these cars. We hope you will get the wing car of your dreams soon.

God Bless and Take Care

Best Always

Dena and Christine, the 426 Hemi Chicks
Veteran - US Navy  Ex-Smoker (05 Mar 69) 55 years, heading for 100, 45 to go. Still lots to learn, lots to make up for. Weren't no angel. Fugitive from Southlake TX's Kangaroo Court

69_500

Quote from: 426HemiChick on April 29, 2022, 07:03:35 PM
Quote from: held1823 on April 29, 2022, 05:29:24 PM
Quote from: 69_500 on April 29, 2022, 05:19:36 PM
its not the worst color to me personally, as I agree with Wayne P on what color is the worst on Daytona's.

I would  take f8 over black every time if color was the deciding factor. You and Wayne may prefer the dime a dozen r4 and v2 ones over his much rarer color, but we both know the best (and rarest) color hemi Daytona is owned by our favorite Chicago taxi driver.

Hi Ernie,               29 April 2022

Who's the Chicago Taxi Driver and what is the rarest color for a Hemi Daytona ?

Personally, we like V2, R4 and Black with a red stripe and wing. Color rarity doesn't interest us, it's what we personally find appealing. We sure wouldn't want the Matador Red that's currently on our Hemi RR, which is going to get a repaint, probably in R4, the same color that's on our 69 6-PK. Don't think V2 would look good on the RR. We are considering Black on Black, though not committed . . . . yet.

Well, this has become a lively thread; the livelier the better. Only a few days remain before the speculation will be proven one way or the other.

Take Care Ernie

Best Always

426 Hemi Chicks

ernie's favorite Hemi Daytona is Mr Kerbs B5 hemi Daytona. He was nice enough to give both me and Ernie a ride through Chicago last fall on the way to a little get together with some other Mopar owners.

held1823

Quote from: 69_500 on May 02, 2022, 06:13:22 PM
ernie's favorite Hemi Daytona is Mr Kerbs B5 hemi Daytona. He was nice enough to give both me and Ernie a ride through Chicago last fall on the way to a little get together with some other Mopar owners.

Danny and I were the poorest two people at that get together by a LARGE margin, lol. Nothing like mingling around a two million dollar plus 'Cuda with an owner that was beyond cool to meet.
Ernie Helderbrand
XX29L9B409053

TONY

in regards to the $900k hemi superbird at BJ this past January.

someone laid out a scenario that is worth thinking about

almost all of these auction houses also have car stores

if they notice that there arent any cars of a specific type listed in their auction that they would take a car from their inventory and run it through the auction. have it "sell" or bid to a high amount, because they know that will bring out many of those cars in their next or future auctions

that hemi bird that sold was far from a pristine example, and i know many like to use the "more money then brains" idium alot, but i find it hard to swallow that hemi bird bringing that much

as seen by the lack of correctness under the hood, this green daytona wasnt restored to the highest level. it may have good paint and body, but the correct detailing isnt there. but from experiance, i have seen some pretty shiney year one restorations bring big $$ because to some of the buyers in that echelon, the value is in the vin and if its a 4-speed

:Twocents:

gtx6970

I'll take a stab. upper 700s and reserve not met

To much green and to much wrong under hood.

the few capable to pull that trigger can afford to wait for a better car and destroy any record sale amount so far.


Aero426

Quote from: TONY on May 03, 2022, 02:51:42 PM


someone laid out a scenario that is worth thinking about

almost all of these auction houses also have car stores

if they notice that there arent any cars of a specific type listed in their auction that they would take a car from their inventory and run it through the auction. have it "sell" or bid to a high amount, because they know that will bring out many of those cars in their next or future auctions



Ding! Ding!   It sets up a floor price.   

6bblgt

there are so many games being played,
if you didn't receive the money from the purchaser, or pay the money to the owner - one doesn't know if the deal went down or at what $$ figure

426HemiChick

Hi Folks,              04 May 2022

Lots of interesting scenarios. Maybe several will prove to be on the money. When there are Big Bucks at stake, anything's possible and reason to give one pause. Our friend Scott was contracted to pick up three cars at BJ after the last auction. When he arrived to pick them up, the buyer had yet to pay for them. They remained at BJ.

Our personal opinion is one needs to know how to play the game and have sufficient funds where they can afford to lose a few. Sure not for us except observation.

As for the green on green on green Daytona, $300K tops and that's a stretch. Not original, not a Roger Gibson Restoration, banged around early on, numerous owners, dubious history, etc. Owner's going to be disappointed. If that car were pristine, all that green is way over the top.

Guess we can have fun speculating and then watching the auction. We're not placing any $$$ bets, that's a given.

Take Care

Best Always

426 Hemi Chicks
Veteran - US Navy  Ex-Smoker (05 Mar 69) 55 years, heading for 100, 45 to go. Still lots to learn, lots to make up for. Weren't no angel. Fugitive from Southlake TX's Kangaroo Court

gtx6970

Quote from: 426HemiChick on May 04, 2022, 04:29:22 AM
Hi Folks,              04 May 2022

Lots of interesting scenarios. Maybe several will prove to be on the money. When there are Big Bucks at stake, anything's possible and reason to give one pause. Our friend Scott was contracted to pick up three cars at BJ after the last auction. When he arrived to pick them up, the buyer had yet to pay for them. They remained at BJ.

Our personal opinion is one needs to know how to play the game and have sufficient funds where they can afford to lose a few. Sure not for us except observation.

As for the green on green on green Daytona, $300K tops and that's a stretch. Not original, not a Roger Gibson Restoration, banged around early on, numerous owners, dubious history, etc. Owner's going to be disappointed. If that car were pristine, all that green is way over the top.

Guess we can have fun speculating and then watching the auction. We're not placing any $$$ bets, that's a given.

Take Care

Best Always

426 Hemi Chicks


300k is lala land. thus car will double that, even if it is all green

426HemiChick

Quote from: gtx6970 on May 04, 2022, 06:44:39 AM

300k is lala land. thus car will double that, even if it is all green

Hi gtx6970,              04 May 2022

You may very well be correct; we are far from experts. After reading all the posts on this thread and other info on the car, we have changed our minds on where the price will top out. Since we're not currently in the market for another Hemi Daytona, this one does not ring our bell.

In 68 a service station owner down the road from where we eventually had our station (in 1972) had a 68 Hemi Charger in F8, which we thought looked classy . . . . and still do. To us, this Daytona has way too much green; the only contrasts are the wing/stripe and tires/hubcaps. The other thing we think that hurts it are it's dubious past. It surely can't be considered original or a survivor and no mention of who did the restoration.

If we were in the market and had lots of $$$Green to toss around we'd buy it, then have Roger Gibson redo the car changing the color to V2 and the interior to black. We'd then drive the hell out of it here on the Arizona Highways.

It all boils down to personal preferences. We didn't buy our Mopar's as investments, we bought them because we liked and wanted them. We made a couple mistakes in so doing, we ordered the Six-Pack rather than a Hemi and sold the Hemi Cuda. The Charger 500 and Daytona came along after leaving for Japan on a three year stint.

This auction will be interesting. Wouldn't mind attending except it's too cold up yonder where it's taking place.

Take Care gtx6970

Best Always

426 Hemi Chicks
Veteran - US Navy  Ex-Smoker (05 Mar 69) 55 years, heading for 100, 45 to go. Still lots to learn, lots to make up for. Weren't no angel. Fugitive from Southlake TX's Kangaroo Court

nascarxx29


https://www.leagle.com › decision
JACKSON v. U.S. | 20100615b47 | Leagle.com - Leagle.com
Jun 15, 2010 — ... Vehicle Identification Number XX29J9B383276) for possible purchase. Bill Jackson used the Jacksons' Credit Card to pay
1969 R4 Daytona XX29L9B410772
1970 EV2 Superbird RM23UOA174597
1970 FY1 Superbird RM23UOA166242
1970 EV2 Superbird RM23VOA179697
1968 426 Road Runner RM21J8A134509
1970 Coronet RT WS23UOA224126
1970 Daytona Clone XP29GOG178701

nascarxx29

1969 R4 Daytona XX29L9B410772
1970 EV2 Superbird RM23UOA174597
1970 FY1 Superbird RM23UOA166242
1970 EV2 Superbird RM23VOA179697
1968 426 Road Runner RM21J8A134509
1970 Coronet RT WS23UOA224126
1970 Daytona Clone XP29GOG178701

426HemiChick

Quote from: nascarxx29 on May 05, 2022, 12:49:13 PM
Dealer ad pw daytona in auction

Hi nascarxx29,              05  May 2022

Congratulations, this last post of yours is your 12,000/th post on this site.

The subject Daytona sure has a colorful history. Will be interesting to see if it has any affect on the sale price, + or -. Time will tell.

Best Always

426 Hemi Chicks
Veteran - US Navy  Ex-Smoker (05 Mar 69) 55 years, heading for 100, 45 to go. Still lots to learn, lots to make up for. Weren't no angel. Fugitive from Southlake TX's Kangaroo Court

426HemiChick

Hi Folks,                06 May 2022

Going to mention another possible flaw with the subject Green Hemi Daytona. It is documented that this Daytona had  the snot knocked out of its nose. It ran around with a different front end, photos of which are posted on this site. No mention as to whether the replacement nose is genuine Daytona or aftermarket/clone. What other damage was sustained by this car when it lost its nose and how and what was it repaired with? That may have a significant impact on the hammer price.

If we were looking to buy a high end Daytona, this would not be it. We are going to stick with our $300K guesstimate. The only thing going for it is a 426 Hemi and 4-spd.

Best Always

426 Hemi Chicks
Veteran - US Navy  Ex-Smoker (05 Mar 69) 55 years, heading for 100, 45 to go. Still lots to learn, lots to make up for. Weren't no angel. Fugitive from Southlake TX's Kangaroo Court

hemi-hampton


WB General Lee

I will be there to see it go through. I remember sometime way back in like the 80,s this car was sold at the Mopar Nats and we thought that was stupid money. My guess is that it will pull 750K. Lots of people may not like the color but I do. It's going to be fun!

gtx6970


Qdabopy


hemi68charger

Quote from: gtx6970 on May 20, 2022, 01:19:32 PM
1.2 mil.


:o

Wonder what my Bird could be at..... Good Lord............. And it's green....... Albeit, I like it......... A lot of people don't..... But....... there aren't many J-code 69 Charger Daytonas running around let alone for sale....
Troy
'69 Charger Daytona 440 auto 4.10 Dana ( now 426 HEMI )
'70 Superbird 426 Hemi auto: Lindsley Bonneville Salt Flat world record holder (220.2mph)
Houston Mopar Club Connection

Aero426


gtx6970

Quote from: hemi68charger on May 20, 2022, 02:29:20 PM
Quote from: gtx6970 on May 20, 2022, 01:19:32 PM
1.2 mil.


:o

Wonder what my Bird could be at..... Good Lord............. And it's green....... Albeit, I like it......... A lot of people don't..... But....... there aren't many J-code 69 Charger Daytonas running around let alone for sale....

Troy,

Deep down I dont think there is a Bird out there that could break into 7 figures. Even with the history yours has. Even in todays crazy market.

BUT,,,,theres one way too find out. If you dare .

JB400

Wonder how much higher it would have gone with a high impact colour?  It checked all the boxes, but colour.

Wingnut426

The "EPA" Superbird had a price tag of 1 million dollars, but nobody bit. WINGNUT
HEMI Daytona Convertible

426HemiChick

Quote from: Wingnut426 on May 21, 2022, 06:19:27 AM
The "EPA" Superbird had a price tag of 1 million dollars, but nobody bit. WINGNUT

Hi Wingnut,              29 May 2022

I'll show my ignorance and ask a question: "What is the "EPA" Super Bird?

Thanks in advance.

Best Always

Christine
Veteran - US Navy  Ex-Smoker (05 Mar 69) 55 years, heading for 100, 45 to go. Still lots to learn, lots to make up for. Weren't no angel. Fugitive from Southlake TX's Kangaroo Court

nascarxx29

1969 R4 Daytona XX29L9B410772
1970 EV2 Superbird RM23UOA174597
1970 FY1 Superbird RM23UOA166242
1970 EV2 Superbird RM23VOA179697
1968 426 Road Runner RM21J8A134509
1970 Coronet RT WS23UOA224126
1970 Daytona Clone XP29GOG178701

aerolith

Eight owners and two restorations!

Not exactly a 'one owner, survivor' car lol...

But it puts F8 GREEN, right back on the MAP... :smilielol: :smilielol: :smilielol:

(where its belongs)... :cglow: :cglow: :cglow:

Ok, a green interior is a bit hard to swallow, but hey its still a Daytona 4-speed... :drool5: :drool5: :drool5:
Never send to know, for whom the bell tolls,
IT TOLLS FOR THEE...

John Donne 1623

aerolith

Never send to know, for whom the bell tolls,
IT TOLLS FOR THEE...

John Donne 1623

aerolith

Never send to know, for whom the bell tolls,
IT TOLLS FOR THEE...

John Donne 1623

aerolith

Maybe a lighter shade of (pale) green?

Bigger tires with white writing. :shruggy:

Its just so hard to decide when you have a million plus dollars to spend... :scratchchin:
Never send to know, for whom the bell tolls,
IT TOLLS FOR THEE...

John Donne 1623

426HemiChick

Quote from: nascarxx29 on May 29, 2022, 04:52:19 AM
EPA superbird feds used to check jet engine  emissions

Hi nascarxx29,            01 June 2022

Thanks for the info. Does it still exist and if so, is there any history written about it?

Sounds interesting.

Best Always

426 Hemi Chicks
Veteran - US Navy  Ex-Smoker (05 Mar 69) 55 years, heading for 100, 45 to go. Still lots to learn, lots to make up for. Weren't no angel. Fugitive from Southlake TX's Kangaroo Court

nascarxx29

Quote from: 426HemiChick on May 29, 2022, 03:20:44 AM
Quote from: Wingnut426 on May 21, 2022, 06:19:27 AM
The "EPA" Superbird had a price tag of 1 million dollars, but nobody bit. WINGNUT

Hi Wingnut,              29 May 2022



https://youtu.be/IM99Ufns_gE


I'll show my ignorance and ask a question: "What is the "EPA" Super Bird?

Thanks in advance.

Best Always

Christine
1969 R4 Daytona XX29L9B410772
1970 EV2 Superbird RM23UOA174597
1970 FY1 Superbird RM23UOA166242
1970 EV2 Superbird RM23VOA179697
1968 426 Road Runner RM21J8A134509
1970 Coronet RT WS23UOA224126
1970 Daytona Clone XP29GOG178701

426HemiChick

Quote from: nascarxx29 on June 03, 2022, 03:08:32 PM

https://youtu.be/IM99Ufns_gE


Hi nascarxx29,           03 June 2022

Unfortunately, my browser is like me, antiquated. Youtube won't allow my browser to run their videos. Have a newer PC, just haven't gotten round2 installing it and then figuring out how to use it. Not a high priority.

Thank you for the link, will get round2it one of these days. Too many irons in the fire that are more important.

Thanks again.

Best Always

Christine for the 426 Hemi Chicks
Veteran - US Navy  Ex-Smoker (05 Mar 69) 55 years, heading for 100, 45 to go. Still lots to learn, lots to make up for. Weren't no angel. Fugitive from Southlake TX's Kangaroo Court

nascarxx29

Quote from: 426HemiChick on May 05, 2022, 09:42:58 PM
Quote from: nascarxx29 on May 05, 2022, 12:49:13 PM
Dealer ad pw daytona in auction

Hi nascarxx29,              05  May 2022

Congratulations, this last post of yours is your .

The subject Daytona sure has a colorful history. Will be interesting to see if it has any affect on the sale price, + or -. Time will tell.

Best Always

426 Hemi


https://www.facebook.com/groups/283906888323261/permalink/5077893755591193/
1969 R4 Daytona XX29L9B410772
1970 EV2 Superbird RM23UOA174597
1970 FY1 Superbird RM23UOA166242
1970 EV2 Superbird RM23VOA179697
1968 426 Road Runner RM21J8A134509
1970 Coronet RT WS23UOA224126
1970 Daytona Clone XP29GOG178701

69hemidaytona

This car looks very well bought after now seeing what the column automatic Hemi Superbird just sold for at Barrett-Jackson in Las Vegas.

loudmouthaussie

It'll be back up within a year and go for 2 million i think (after that superbird result)
1970 PLYMOUTH SUPERBIRD. 440/6BBL/BENCH/AUTO/VITAMIN C.
1979 FORD RANCHERO GT 351.
1960 AUSTIN HEALEY MK1 BUGEYE SPRITE 1275/4 SPEED.