True X9 black 69 daytona how many known

[nascarxx29]

I got the idea from this on going post .And didnt see that many in my going arounds.Some are X9 black now but not originally .Making X9 black daytonas highly sought after.

http://board.moparts.org/ubbthreads/showflat.php?Cat=0&Number=2355043&an=0&page=0#2355043

[3--Daytona]

    nascarxx29;;; I dont know how many" factory" black cars were built total. I was told several years ago by someone that could know that there were ,nine total.
         BUT,,,,,,,,,,I do know there was at least--ONE--  because I own it.   NOT FOR SALE
           
     XX29  L9B  414652    X9   X9               Black exterior,,,Red interior   Red Wing   440---4-speed.
       
I have fender tag to prove it,,tag stays in bank lock box.            3--daytona

[nascarxx29]

Yes 9 in the number Ive seen around for a long time

[69_500]

9 is the number I have always heard as well.

I know of 2 that are HEMI 4 speeds, that are black cars from the factory.
Then I have seen 2 440 cars that are factory black.
Then Jim has the other one that I've heard of but haven't had the chance to enjoy in person yet. Probably this summer though, if I don't see him at a show with it, I'll stop by for a visit to check it out.

[hemigeno]

I know of another one that is probably completely or very nearly restored by now.  They were just starting the resto this time last year.

440/727, X9 exterior & interior, Red stripe.  405187, owned by Tom A.

The pic below was taken 1/12/05, when I was visiting a friend's resto shop in Wisconsin:

[69_500]

Car looks great with the rocker moldings on it. Were they there origionally or do you know Gene?

Doesn't look like the car needed a lot, just a little freshening up to be very presentable. Of course most owners want their cars to be in top show quality, where as I'd just want one to drive and enjoy. So i'd take a low #2 car anyday.

[hemigeno]

Danny, I should have mentioned that the tag does not have M25 on it.  Does look good with them though, doesn't it??

The car didn't look bad, probably a 2- driver car.  The owner (Tom A.) wanted a show-stoping, drop-dead gorgeous paint job, underneath and everything.  The guy doing the resto has done black cars before, and a '69 Poncho convertible he did looked great - even 8 years after he did it...  They definitely weren't worried about paint daubs and grease pencil markings, etc.  It will be a gorgeous car when it's done.

[69_500]

Ah schucks so are they going to keep the rocker moldings on the car after the restoration or not? They looks sweet on there.

So are they "over restoring" the car then? Doing it to better than factory specs, but using the correct parts? Just not doing the runs in the paint, and such.

Even if they don't intend to do the pencil markings and paint daubs, I hope that they photographed where they were so if in the future they decide to go that route they have a way to show that is how it was on that particular car.

[nascarxx29]

I did find a stack of documentation for a 440 X9 car from shipping memorandum to window sticker and copy of the buildsheet.That was sent to me from a friend wanting to buy this car alongtime back .When the car was in Alabama to photograph and inspect XX29L9B [[[[[[405187]]]]]].Its was paid for by Virginia national bank.Sold to P D Welch & Company Selma Rd Orange VA .And optioned as {A36 performance axle package [B51 power brakes] [C21 center front seat with armrest] [D34Torque flite trans [D56 3.55 axle ratio] [E86 440] [R11 am radio]  [S77 PS] [V88 stripe delete [W21 road wheels] [Y39 special order] [T82 whitewalls]  409 destination charge

Quote earlier by Hemi Geno I know of another one that is probably completely or very nearly restored by now.  They were just starting the resto this time last year.

440/727, X9 exterior & interior, Red stripe.  [[[[405187]]]]]], owned by Tom A.

The pic below was taken 1/12/05, when I was visiting a friend's resto shop in Wisconsin:End of quote

Hemi Geno you remember a F6 daytona from Mo.That sat outside since the 70-s.The same guy who sent me the X9 info .Looked at and sent me vin and pictures of a severly rusted AC retro fitted daytona from St Louis MO 39885*

[73rallye440magnum]

hemigeno where is that in WI?

[hemigeno]

hemigeno where is that in WI?

If I told you, I'd have to kill ya...   

It's in SE Wisconsin, out in the boonies.

Dave, that's cool you have some paperwork on Tom's car.  I'll be seeing the guy that did the restoration sometime this spring, and I'll ask him if the paperwork you have went with the car when it was purchased by Tom .  Did your friend buy the car then, or did he take a pass?  I honestly don't know when Tom bought it - never asked that question.   

[nascarxx29]

Hemi Geno I know he was one of few trying for that car when it was for sale in Alabama .But missed out on it .It is a known club car that goes back to the 1979 list.Then owned by John Garnett of Fredericksburg VA

[hemigeno]

Hemi Geno you remember a F6 daytona from Mo.That sat outside since the 70-s.The same guy who sent me the X9 info .Looked at and sent me vin and pictures of a severly rusted AC retro fitted daytona from St Louis MO 39885*

No, I don't recall seeing that one around anywhere.  It wasn't sold new in MO, and was not in my immediate vicinity, that's for sure.  Which part of the state was it in?  Also, do you know what became of it?

Must have been a thing with Missouri Daytona's and retrofitting A/C - that makes the second one, and there were what - about 6 or 8 known to have had that done to them?

I had seen Tom's car on the list, and noticed that they did not have the colors listed at the time either.

[nascarxx29]

It came from Kardon dodge L398853 in Mt Holly NJ .And it was for sale in St Louis MO .The story was original owner was in jail .And car sat many years outside.There should be pictures on cars in barn .Or on this link
http://board.moparts.org/ubbthreads/showflat.php?Cat=0&Number=585449&an=0&page=0#585449

[3--Daytona]

nascarxx29;;;;;; Do you have any info on what dealership car XX29L9B356520 went thru? I was told years ago that it was a preview car for Chrysler Corp,,, and made it's debut at American Exhibt Hall, in KC,Mo,,,,,,,,,,,,,I have no proof!                  3--daytona

[PocketThunder]

I know of another one that is probably completely or very nearly restored by now.  They were just starting the resto this time last year.

440/727, X9 exterior & interior, Red stripe.  405187, owned by Tom A.

The pic below was taken 1/12/05, when I was visiting a friend's resto shop in Wisconsin:

Do they have the rest of the 67 GTO which that primered hood goes to?

[nascarxx29]

Hey 3 daytona I will see what I can find on your sister car to Paul K daytona

[nascarxx29]

Heres the info and your proof. Jim your car is #113 on the 69 daytona shipment list.It has a build date of 4-27  thats April 27 th .The cars job number is 926018 .It shows a dealer # of 52-92852 .But it shows its destination.At American Exhibit Hall Kanas City Mo car was shipped 8-24-69.This document and listingings was provided by WW club newsletters .If you need a copy for your documents.I can check your other 2 cars if you want. I will pm you the results.If you dont want them posted for any reason

[hemigeno]

nascarxx29;;;;;; Do you have any info on what dealership car XX29L9B356520 went thru? I was told years ago that it was a preview car for Chrysler Corp,,, and made it's debut at American Exhibt Hall, in KC,Mo,,,,,,,,,,,,,I have no proof!                  3--daytona

There are things we can see in some Dealer Numbers that indicate what the car was initially used for.  All of the cars that went to a Car Show, Regional Offices, Executive Garage, etc. (for some Chrysler Corporate use) had a dealer number that began with 9, in this instance the number is 92852.  That's probably either a dummy number, or it is keyed to the event that the car is being sent to.  Either way, I do not think it represents an actual dealership.

The current Dealer Invoice series in the WW newsletters lists most of the cars used in "Sales Shows"  twice.  They are listed once with a regular Dealer's name, and again with a 9xxxx dealer number (which I think is more-or-less a dummy number).  Before the car Jim asked about was "reassigned" to go to the American Exhibition Hall in KC, it was assigned to May Avenue Dodge in OKC.  With that in mind, I wonder if 356520 went there after the Car/Sales Show in KC was done?

[hemigeno]

Do they have the rest of the 67 GTO which that primered hood goes to?

Yes, it was directly to the left of the Daytona.  It was a nice Tri-Power convertible that the owner couldn't make up his mind what particular shade of blue he liked.  I was at Mike's shop in October of '04, and the car hadn't been touched between October and January '05 for that reason.

Good eyes...

[nascarxx29]

That would make 3 daytonas .I know of that came out of May Ave Dodge

[hemigeno]

And not only that, but the state totals would be affected.  Missouri would be down 1, and OK up one.

[69_500]

So was there a rash of Black Daytona's built on that day or what?

Were they like some other cars and built in batches of like colors? Anyone ever done a research like that? I've noticed some of the 500's seem to be like that. Where 3-4 in a row were either all HEMI's or all of the same color exterior wise. But no set pattern or anything like that.

[3--Daytona]

hemigeno-----nascarxx29---69-500--Hey guys thanks for all the info,,,,All I knew for certain was when I found 356520, it had been wrecked, totaled out,, patched up with tons of bondo, painted blue, repossessd,,with a Al, title.  I found the "barn" it was patched up in, but could not get any info,and was very forcefully asked to leave. When I am looking at 3 dogs, a man with a cigar in his mouth, a bulge in his back pocket, I do as I'm told!!  I tried to get somthing from Dept of Rev, from  Mo, as well as AL,, No,record.       Thanks  again.               3--daytona

[nascarxx29]

In some cases Ive seen similar cars with close vins .As 3 daytonas and Paul K.Built like twins down to the color.If they did build a batch together on the line with number in order vins? .But if I car had a dent and pulled out of the numbered place in line.That theory wouldnt follow. Also 3 daytona I remember you car being Wingo Star or story was called Winged wonder in musclecar review in Oct 89 or so.And that you and your family restored that daytona yourself .Nice Work

[69_500]

Ah Jim, I can't see you backing down from somebody, you always seemed to be the type to speak your mind. I'm sure you did speak your mind, but probably left unwilingly.

Jim your R4 daytona is incredible. I think you said you restored it 10+ years ago? It still looks great. I'm hoping your X9 car comes out even nicer. It is the same painter as did the R4 car right? And if you guys are going to make it to Vegas, I just got word yesterday that I will be at that show again. So I'll look for ya if you decide to make the trip.

[hemigeno]

Jim,

You might try your search again, but this time try the DMV in Oklahoma.  That might explain why it didn't show up in your Missouri search - it might not have sold new here!!

I know I already shared with you the info I found from my Missouri search that gave several other Missouri-titled Daytonas & Chargers.  They were all listed in MO as XS cars as opposed to XX - every single one of them.  Your green car was on the list not too far above mine.

[69_500]

You mean when you searched for your Daytona they gave you search results of other VIN numbers as well Gene? Wouldn't include any 500's would it?

[hemigeno]

I didn't get a complete listing of the '69 Charger titles and registrations, only a partial list.  But the information does still exist, that's the good news.  I tried and tried to get info myself from MO-DMV, and got the usual "Sorry, we don't keep records back that far" reply.  I ended up talking with a PI who has friends in high (or low) places there at the DMV.  He got me a partial computer printout sorted by VIN that has several cars before and after mine.  The VIN's are XS cars, between 407138 and 419444.

If I can get the info for this range of VINs, I'm sure it could be generated for another range.  As with Missouri, it might take someone with "connections" to get access to the right information from other states.

[69_500]

Ah I see. Well I know that in Indiana they only keep information for the past 10 years. So no luck on me using the DMV here to try to sort out what cars my dad might have had or anything like that. And I don't know anyone here that works in the DMV.

[nakita7]

There's one in Central Alberta (or at least there was about 15 years ago). It's a black on black Hemi car. Had 6000 original miles on it. Still have a picture of it from a Mopar show.

[69_500]

I was just going through some old Hemmings Motor news yesterday and saw a X9 daytona that was for sale in 1989, it might be the same one Gene mentioned. It was listed as Black, with a black interior, and a red tail stripe. I"ll try to scan the add and post it.

[hemigeno]

From what Dave mentioned, the Tom A. car was once for sale in AL.  Is that what state the Hemmings advertisement is from?

[3--Daytona]

   hemigeno ,,,nascarxx29....69-500.........How many REAL black cars have you come up with?
                                                              3--daytona

[PocketThunder]

Do they have the rest of the 67 GTO which that primered hood goes to?

Yes, it was directly to the left of the Daytona.  It was a nice Tri-Power convertible that the owner couldn't make up his mind what particular shade of blue he liked.  I was at Mike's shop in October of '04, and the car hadn't been touched between October and January '05 for that reason.

Good eyes...

My Dad has a '67 GTO Convertible, so i'm familiar with that hood shape.  but if its a tri-power then its a '66.  Only 4-barrels in '67.  Same hood though.....

[69_500]

Nope Gene isn't the one I'm thinking of, this car was for sale out of NY in December of 1988. $29,900 for it then, Black car, AT, red stripe.

I had to dig out a box of Hemmings to find it again, but its fun reading all of those adds now.

I can only think of 5 total Black Daytona's that I have seen in my lifetime. That I know were factory black cars. That is me personally. However I have always heard that the number was 9, heard a few say it was 11 total, but when I talked to people in the club it always seemed the number was 9.

[nascarxx29]

I got a stock piles of old hemmings motor news from 73 to current .Great for researching cars and amounts in what areas.They were in

[nascarxx29]

As #9 seems to be the old standing record for X9 black .Have to survey another color like this bronze daytona

[69_500]

Is that a picture of Kevin Greene's old car? the HEMI with something like 5,000 origional miles?

[nascarxx29]

No 69 500 this daytona is Cals car of Wi .The other daytona your thinking of that was Don klumps of Pa in the early 80-s was the one that went to Greg Joseph Otis Chandler.Restored by Roger G.Then bcame Kevin Greens .And currently with Tim W of Alabama

[69_500]

Thanks for the update Dave. I just looked at it and the first one that came to mind being that color was the one that Tim just picked up.

Gorgeous car I have to say. Even if my wife says that bronze cars aren't very appealing I disagree. I don't think a Daytona can look bad in any color.

[65post]

What is the rarest color known for the Winged one? I know all daytonas have the V88 ( stripe delete for the R/T ) in there tags but did any daytona slip through stripe delete?

[nascarxx29]

Im thinking a F3 green is a low number for a daytona.And then I know 2 W1 Eggshell white daytona with red interiors.And they are suppose to be a rare color interior combination.Ive heard of some daytona being stripe delete.But havent seen the car for myself

[hemigeno]

I don't think a Daytona can look bad in any color.

As far as the stripe goes, there is paperwork that shows you could order a stripe-delete Daytona. 

Special stripe will be added in conversion if desired, color of stripe, Red, White or Black, or "Omit Stripe" instruction must be provided by Dodge Plant Distribution to Modification Company.

I've seen pictures of no-stripe cars, but I could not tell from a picture alone if they were unrestored original cars or not.  I have not seen any in person, but that doesn't mean anything.  It was possible, so I suppose there are a few out there.  On those cars, the wing would be body color, correct?  Unless that was a Red or a Black car, they would have had to paint the wing a different color than normal.  R4 matched the "tomato red" stripe color, and X9 matched the black stripe.  The white stripe color didn't match W1 though, so they'd have had to get different white paint for a W1 wing on a no-stripe car.

Without pictures of the car when new, or an order form (or something similar) showing "Omit Stripe" instructions, it would be almost impossible to prove that a car originally had no stripe.  Hard to prove that it DID have a stripe (or a particular color of stripe for that matter).

[69_500]

Colors that aren't so common on Daytona's or at least of cars I've seen are these.

B3 blue, I've only seen 2.

B7 blue i've only seen 2.

Isn't there 1 999 paint code Daytona as well?

I have only seen 3 cars that are A4 silver as well.

I have heard of 9 cars being W1 white, although I have only seen 3. 2 with red interior, 1 with black.

[nascarxx29]

This chart don't have the numbers but it does have all available colors for 69.

http://autocolorlibrary.com/cgi-bin/search/searchpic.pl?1969-dodge-pg01.jpg

[nascarxx29]

I found this old post on a search for black 69 daytonas .Ive seen some that didnt have the X9 paint code.And cant account for the ones I did see in my going arounds that did have X9 on them

http://www.dodgecharger.com/forum/index.php/topic,6597.0.html

[nascarxx29]

This was the count for painted daytonas in 1991 .Havent seen a updated 2006 one anywhere

Nov 91 GG paint break down A4 silver #2 B3 lt blue #2 B5 Bright Blue #23 B7 Med Blue #2 F3 Med green #2 F5 Med Green #1 F6 Bright Green #43 F8 dark green #10 Q5 Torquoise #2 R4 bright Red #75 R6 Red#6 T3 Lt Bronze#2 (T7 dark Bronze #1)V2 hemi Orange #72 W1 Egg shell White #9 X9 Black #9 Y2 Cream Yellow #24 Y3 Cream #0 Y4 Light Gold #2 #99 special order paint #1 #306 total colors known daytonas 

[69_500]

Well for one I can think of 3 A4 silver cars off of the top of my head. So I can update that much of it for him. Bob Malcom owns a A4 silver Daytona, as well as Wayne Perkins, and then the lady on Moparstyle Kismygby, I forget her first name at the moment.

[nascarxx29]

You mean J Neighbors with the silver daytona

[69_500]

Yeah, that is who I was forgetting. Shouldn't be hard to remember a ladies name when she owns a Daytona, but I'm horrible with names much better with VIN numbers and faces than names.

[chargervert]

Back in 1986,I was driving in Boston Mass,and I heard a car with very loud exhaust,like it had lost a muffler,and I saw the car come out of a street,about a block back from where I was,and it was a bronze Daytona,that some kid was beating the shit out of! It had crappy mis matched tires on it with steel wheels,and the right muffler was draging on the ground.It had a white tail stripe,and wing,and several spots of red oxide primer on it! I tried to catch up with the kid,but I couldn't because of the traffic. I could see the wing weaving through traffic! I have to wonder if the car survived,the way the guy was treating it!

[69_500]

Good story there Pete. I wonder if it did survive. I'd say it probably did, someone along the way probably purchased it and has been piecing together the right parts to fix it up some day. Or heck maybe even the young kid did this, and it has been sitting in a garage since then waiting to be repaired.

[nascarxx29]

I remember a guy in 75-76 in Foxboro Mass having a daytona with aluminum slots on it