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Author Topic: additional VIN numbers for Daytonas, compared to the ship list  (Read 13346 times)
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« on: October 20, 2011, 10:26:49 PM »

i feel like this topic would be sidetracking the "CSI" thread on allen's car, so i will start a new one. heck, for all i know, this may have already been addressed in an old thread. if thats the case, can someone point me to it?

my curiosity started with this post, on the CSI thread

the WW list that dave posted above shows a 376559, which does not appear on the list of 500 cars on a different thread?


We will see what Dave says, but I am guessing that these owner lists were compiled before the 500 +/- car shipping list was available to the clubs.  It might be  an R/T cloned into an "XX", or one that got omitted by mistake.  Might be a clue in the covered up area...  scratchchin  wonder why it was covered? ....Dave?  Can you post the entire page, or better yet the entire list?  popcrn

all told, there are five VIN numbers on the handful of club listing pages that dave added to the CSI thread, that are not on the ship list previously posted in yet other thread.

217178,  376559, 381930, 388881, and 414734

a few of these numbers would be way out of sequence,  although 376559 seems to be just a typo (a 7 in place of the 8 ), as it is likely the vern judy car.

there is also a 414634 on the ship list, which could explain the last one of the five VIN's listed above.

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« Reply #1 on: October 21, 2011, 12:55:20 AM »


217178 exists and is in a sequence. It's also on the list.





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« Reply #2 on: October 21, 2011, 05:36:06 AM »


217178 exists and is in a sequence. It's also on the list.





and if I recall, the low seq# of 217### indicates it's a 500 whereas the higher numbers are all Daytonas?
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« Reply #3 on: October 21, 2011, 06:32:41 AM »


217178 exists and is in a sequence. It's also on the list.





and if I recall, the low seq# of 217### indicates it's a 500 whereas the higher numbers are all Daytonas?


 yesnod    a XX vin as low as 217###    must be a C500  ,    my R/T SE  is 219###  with a SPD  11-22-68 

think Mopar Struarts C500  starts 21####  also  scratchchin
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« Reply #4 on: October 21, 2011, 07:19:24 AM »

What is the first XX sequence # 21?
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« Reply #5 on: October 21, 2011, 07:24:57 AM »

287970 is car #501
 http://www.dodgecharger.com/forum/index.php/topic,76676.msg861219/topicseen.html#msg861219
  I also located actual ads for daytona and see if they matched ship list Twocents
There also a 1979 Car Collector article on wingcar vin sequences Twocents
The wingcars & 500 vin numbers dictated from the 1979 archive article as written it says All known true charger 500s identification numbers are XX29*9B10000-XX29*9B260000 Daytonas 280000-480000 superbirds140000-182000





2 210 daytonas  210708 210719 coincedence there both from Ohio

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« Reply #6 on: October 21, 2011, 07:55:35 AM »


217178 exists and is in a sequence. It's also on the list.





Thats this car, right?


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« Reply #7 on: October 21, 2011, 08:02:42 AM »


217178 exists and is in a sequence. It's also on the list.




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« Reply #8 on: October 21, 2011, 08:04:23 AM »


217178 exists and is in a sequence. It's also on the list.


and if I recall, the low seq# of 217### indicates it's a 500 whereas the higher numbers are all Daytonas?

that's what i was assuming. ironically, that seems to be the only c500 on the club pages i was referring to. my original train of thought was daytona-specific VIN numbers, although I didnt convey that very well. i edited the thread title, to correct my oversight.
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« Reply #9 on: October 21, 2011, 08:20:55 AM »

The 500 lists 79-89

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« Reply #10 on: October 21, 2011, 08:22:12 AM »

287970 is car #501  

that is correct, so it was not one of the five VIN numbers that i mentioned.




2) 210 daytonas  210708 210719
coincedence there both from Ohio

210719 is shown as a c500 on the list you attached here?
210708, is a new mystery
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« Reply #11 on: October 21, 2011, 08:33:07 AM »

Another mystery was this posted by XS29J the car that follows after 287970


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1970 EV2 Superbird RM23UOA174597
1970 FY1 Superbird RM23UOA166242
1970 EV2 Superbird RM23VOA179697
1968 426 Road Runner RM21J8A134509
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« Reply #12 on: October 21, 2011, 08:48:33 AM »

The Charger500 & Daytona VIN ranges from the 1969 Charger Registry:

http://www.1969chargerregistry.com/decoder.html



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« Reply #13 on: October 21, 2011, 08:54:30 AM »

 .I have this 2 page submitted daytona vin list by GG as of 11-89 .It has 468330 and 500564 as recorded daytonas.
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« Reply #14 on: October 21, 2011, 08:59:11 AM »

Numbers higher than 434780
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1970 EV2 Superbird RM23VOA179697
1968 426 Road Runner RM21J8A134509
1970 Coronet RT WS23UOA224126
1970 Daytona Clone XP29GOG178701
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« Reply #15 on: October 21, 2011, 10:02:35 AM »

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The wingcars & 500 vin numbers dictated from the 1979 archive article as written it says All known true charger 500s identification numbers are XX29*9B10000-XX29*9B260000 Daytonas 280000-480000 superbirds140000-182000

Highest publicly known VIN 500 is 248666. I wonder how many cars might exist from 248666 to 260000?

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2 210 daytonas  210708 210719 coincedence there both from Ohio

Just a correction to this statement for clarity - these cars are 500's, not Daytonas.
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« Reply #16 on: October 21, 2011, 10:08:34 AM »

Theres been 500s back in the day like 138602 had all daytona parts on it.And it may been recorded as a daytona as this example.And below in the clipped classified ad


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1970 EV2 Superbird RM23UOA174597
1970 FY1 Superbird RM23UOA166242
1970 EV2 Superbird RM23VOA179697
1968 426 Road Runner RM21J8A134509
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« Reply #17 on: October 21, 2011, 10:14:06 AM »

So the 500 I recently obtained (and known) is 156... in that stack, for some reason I was thinking it would be lower in those numbers, at the same time it's vin is an XX car so it is somewhat later by build date.  FYI the one I just sold was 144...
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« Reply #18 on: October 21, 2011, 10:23:13 AM »

The 500 lists 79-89



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« Reply #19 on: October 21, 2011, 10:40:28 AM »

from this one photo alone, i see eight additional VIN numbers that were not on any list(s) that ive seen before.

405110, 409021, 414558. 414564, 414734, 434240, 468330, 500564


im not sure why all of this has recently piqued my curiosity, but the more i see and "learn", the more puzzling it all becomes. the concern is not so much the total cars built, but the realization that enthusiasts have not pooled their knowledge and resources to build a more comprehensive and definitive list of daytona VIN numbers.

everything daytona VIN related that i have encountered, beyond the car sitting in the barn here, has come from this website. i recently entered a few of these lists into an excel spreadsheet, starting with the ship list info. the ship list is pretty definitive, as to true VIN numbers. when you start adding these "mystery" VIN numbers from lists such as the one here, the total approaches 515 to 520 cars.

long ago, i read, in a magazine article, that the 503 car figure excluded the exported cars, and that the actual total was around 540 total daytonas built. that seems odd, as the canadian VIN's are included in the ship list, but who knows?

is it just my imagination that people are reluctant to share information that could help build a more definitive list of these cars? id hate to think that it stems from a "knowledge is power" attitude, or even worse, that someone would withhold answers in hopes of scoring a buck or two. to me, that individual would be an opportunist, not an enthusiast.

i do not have an agenda, nor anything to gain, from seeing a more accurate VIN list. The documentation of the daytona sitting here is settled, as it has been in my family since day one. ironcally, the VIN for it is the one cut off at the bottom of this photo.  


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« Reply #20 on: October 21, 2011, 10:44:14 AM »

popcrn popcrn  Interesting, and I have one star  2thumbs   smilielol smilielol slap

Only one...  Wink  scratchchin  A little "photoshop" work and I feel all better...  Cheesy  icon_smile_big  lol


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« Reply #21 on: October 21, 2011, 10:55:37 AM »

from this one photo alone, i see eight additional VIN numbers that were not on any list(s) that ive seen before.

405110, 409021, 414558. 414564, 414734, 434240, 468330, 500564


im not sure why all of this has recently piqued my curiosity, but the more i see and "learn", the more puzzling it all becomes. the concern is not so much the total cars built, but the realization that enthusiasts have not pooled their knowledge and resources to build a more comprehensive and definitive list of daytona VIN numbers.

everything daytona VIN related that i have encountered, beyond the car sitting in the barn here, has come from this website. i recently entered a few of these lists into an excel spreadsheet, starting with the ship list info. the ship list is pretty definitive, as to true VIN numbers. when you start adding these "mystery" VIN numbers from lists such as the one here, the total approaches 515 to 520 cars.

long ago, i read, in a magazine article, that the 503 car figure excluded the exported cars, and that the actual total was around 540 total daytonas built. that seems odd, as the canadian VIN's are included in the ship list, but who knows?

is it just my imagination that people are reluctant to share information that could help build a more definitive list of these cars? id hate to think that it stems from a "knowledge is power" attitude, or even worse, that someone would withhold answers in hopes of scoring a buck or two. to me, that individual would be an opportunist, not an enthuiast.

i do not have an agenda, nor anything to gain, from seeing a more accurate VIN list. The documentation of the daytona sitting here is settled, as it has been in my family since day one. ironcally, the VIN for it is the one cut off at the bottom of this photo.  

 I think I have that article  500 US daytona and additional 43 went to Canada 543 total.Shiplist 501
. I did a while ago was daytona per state totals
69 Daytona list per state totals going from the current standing list number to date #501 cars from pages supplied in my club newsletter that shows the new car shipments for 69 daytonas and locations shipped to Including serial numbers and dealer number and dealer location. Also shows what states did and did not recieve a 69 daytona .Starting with the 440s AL-11 AZ-5 AR-2 CANADA 45 CA-38 CO-12 CON-2 DE-1 FL-16 GA-16 HAWAII-2 ID-1 IL-22 IN-21 IA-3 KAN-7 KEN-5 LOU-7 ME-1 MD-2 MASS-5 MI-26 MINN-3 MISS-1 MO-21 MONT-1 NEB-4 NV-2 NH-2 NJ-6 NY-26 NC-13 NDKT-1 SDKT-4.OH-25 OK-9 ORE-7 PA-23 RI-3 SC-4 TN-5 TX-20 UT-1 VT-1 VA-13 WA ST-7 WA-DC-2 W VA-1 WI-9-The 426 states AZ-1 CANADA-5 CA-7 CO-3 GA-1 IL-1 IN-1 KAN-1 MD-1 MI-2 MO-1 NY-1 NC-1 OH-3 PA-1 SC-1 TX-3 WVA-1 WI-1 .Total #501 465- 440 Hemi-36 for the 47 states 1 line was unreadable unknown state. 2 cars were 440 dodge exec cars with no dealer location in house cars and figured in with the MI total.Only #3 states didnt recieve 69 Daytona on this current list Alaska-New Mexico-Wyoming
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« Reply #22 on: October 21, 2011, 11:04:50 AM »

from this one photo alone, i see eight additional VIN numbers that were not on any list(s) that ive seen before.

405110, 409021, 414558. 414564, 414734, 434240, 468330, 500564


im not sure why all of this has recently piqued my curiosity, but the more i see and "learn", the more puzzling it all becomes. the concern is not so much the total cars built, but the realization that enthusiasts have not pooled their knowledge and resources to build a more comprehensive and definitive list of daytona VIN numbers.

everything daytona VIN related that i have encountered, beyond the car sitting in the barn here, has come from this website. i recently entered a few of these lists into an excel spreadsheet, starting with the ship list info. the ship list is pretty definitive, as to true VIN numbers. when you start adding these "mystery" VIN numbers from lists such as the one here, the total approaches 515 to 520 cars.

long ago, i read, in a magazine article, that the 503 car figure excluded the exported cars, and that the actual total was around 540 total daytonas built. that seems odd, as the canadian VIN's are included in the ship list, but who knows?

is it just my imagination that people are reluctant to share information that could help build a more definitive list of these cars? id hate to think that it stems from a "knowledge is power" attitude, or even worse, that someone would withhold answers in hopes of scoring a buck or two. to me, that individual would be an opportunist, not an enthusiast.

i do not have an agenda, nor anything to gain, from seeing a more accurate VIN list. The documentation of the daytona sitting here is settled, as it has been in my family since day one. ironcally, the VIN for it is the one cut off at the bottom of this photo.  

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« Reply #23 on: October 21, 2011, 11:14:57 AM »

423239 show up on one of the lists ive seen. i think it was this thread?

http://www.dodgecharger.com/forum/index.php/topic,75320.0.html

i see it was/is  f8 with white interior. is it an auto or 4 speed?
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« Reply #24 on: October 21, 2011, 11:47:05 AM »

on the 500 list, 220077 lived about a mile from me.  It was an A/C car, column automatic.  I think it had a buddy seat/arm rest and I KNOW it had a vinyl roof in 1973-1978, but no idea if it was factory...
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