I would like to start a list of pics of Daytona clones from across the country. It would be interesting to see how many we can come up with. This can be the first Online Daytona Clone Car Show. We need your help in posting clone pics that you have.
I will start off with my 9 clones … Keep it going…
1st - Black & Soft Gold
(http://img357.imageshack.us/img357/4549/daytonblackemail9sc.jpg) (http://imageshack.us)
2nd Red & Silver
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3rd Red & White
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4th Petty Blue & Red
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5th - Hemi Orange & White
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6th White & Red / Blue & White
(http://img388.imageshack.us/img388/6155/daytonaboat17uu.jpg) (http://imageshack.us)
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7th Red & White
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8th Red & White
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9th Yellow & White
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You own 9 Daytona clones? I would love to own 1 daytona clone!
is the white one pulling a trailorI'd love to own that one with that matching boat
9 clones!? :o Can I have your job?
What kind of boat is that in the white picture? Chrysler Conqueror?
3X
not a clone but wanted to post pic
All of your clones are nice but the last two you built are by far the coolest. :Twocents:
Quote from: triple_green on August 26, 2005, 02:35:47 PM
What kind of boat is that in the white picture? Chrysler Conqueror?
3X
I made 9, me and my Dad. I do not have them all now, just the Yellow. The boat is a customized G3 Glaspar. A rare collectable boat today.
Way too cool. I wish mine was finished so that I could post a pic.
The red and white calender car was the one that I saw first while net surfing one night a couple of years ago. It got my brain working on converting my Charger into a Daytona instead of converting my 70 GTX into a Superbird. Stupidly, I sold the GTX to a friend who resold it. Now I realize that I could have had a clone of each. :brickwall:
This is a 70 RT that board member "wetfeet" converted before I bought it.
I hope we can get some good size pics. Of course not too big that they take to long to download. ;D
Mustanghater, any other info/pics of that car to add to the registry?
don't forget this one
This count?
I can't believe that there is not more Daytona clone pics out there than this. I did not know that convertable Daytona had a HEMI. They guy went into a lot of work to make that convertable. WOW.
More pics......
It's amazing how much taller the wing looks without a roofline for reference.
You would almost think that the wing is taller than a regular wing.
Actually I think that the car would look better if the wing were a little shorter since the car will be seen with the top down most of the time.
Overall though, the car looks good. I would drive it. :icon_smile_big:
Daytona Guy......
That yellow clone is beautiful.... They sharpest daytona/ daytona clone i have ever seen!!! What color is that is it Viper yellow? I have always wanted a daytona clone. How much does the conversion cost ie...all daytona parts? If i ever get another charger I'd love to clone it.
It is 77 Corvette Yellow. As to the cost. It is to lengthy to get into. Does anyone have the link to the list of parts and my opinions. That would be a good link to answer this Q. Thanks for the compliments on my car. I appreciate it.
Need more pics...of clones...
Daytona guy, I got to ask this. Why have you done 9 of them? Are you doing them and selling to make a profit for the real thing? Or do you just get bored real fast?
I will add, I wish you had found the old site say 3 year's ago before I gave up and sold what part's I had.
Cuda Ken
We have done then since 79,80 I think. Everyone of them have a story. The early ones, like all of us, sell things for all kinds of reasons. But if you figure, 25 years, divide that by three people, it is not all that bad. We made one for my Bro. Sold one to go to College, one to buy a house, one because I wanted a different color and motor, one because a guy started one and did not want to finish and we bailed him out, one because I went through a divorce ... and the list goes on. One thing is a fact. I make them for myself (The ones for me) I will never make one for someone else. I do not do it for the money, but I have to admit it is nice that all this fun has it's benefits. I am more than willing to help others with their clones. Since I am not in it for the money, it is fun to help others and my opinions are not based on a product I am selling. The clones will end up ruling the Daytona world because the real ones seem to never get shown. I cannot tell you how many time I have heard, "This is the first Daytona I have ever seen". Then I tell them it is a clone, and hen they say, "I don't care, I finally got to see one".
6t9, the car is somewere in canada. it was taken to a car show by a young guy with dreams of turning it into a daytona clone. then it dissapeared.
Well that explain's alot. This does not count as a clone but she was on here way. If Ted just made part's faster it would have been done! :icon_smile_dissapprove:
I had cut the 70 front fenders for the pan, did a mock up to mount the wing cut off and filled the extra reinfocments from the front of the hood and was ready to rock. Well the 4:00 AM collect call's and no part's finaly beat me.
I even made a jig so I could paint the center part the wing! When the old computer crashed I lost those PIC. Here are the few I have left. Rear Wing is real I will add.
Cuda Ken
PS, life is tuff, stuck with a Supercharged Charger. Soory if the PIC are big as well! I tried to resizes but computer changed them to TIFF PIC.
Looks great to me. Is the clone project still on and what direction are you going? Full conversion, partial conversion?
Makes me want to get started on my clone, but I have to finish the chal vert first.
BTW, the car next to it looks like my 69 B5 runner.
Cool pics. What you would give to get that wing back.
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i don't know if the winston car is a clone but it sure is purdy
What would I give to have the wing back? Well at this point nothing. With out the other part's it would just look goofy on my Charger. I am funny about that kind of stuff. That is why I was going to do the slug. If Ted had got me the slug and I had it installed, that might have been a driffrent story.
Beside's, with the deal you had on the repop wing, I take that over the real one, I like $600.00 instead of $4,000.00 for a real one now.
Cuda Ken
Quote from: BigBlockSam on August 28, 2005, 09:17:02 PM
more
http://www.dodgecharger.com/forum/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=1955.0;id=3656;image
I believe that last pic of the Red with the black wing is my old Ice Blue Daytona. I sold it to a guy in LA, and it ended up in Nevada. I know because they did not change the title over and I got a ticket two years later from Nevada. I had to show them my BOS before they voided the ticket.
WOW, where is that Winston Cup Daytona from? What a freaking great paint scheme.
http://www.eastcoastmopar.com/
What did the eastcoastmopars webpage show? All I could find was the Joe Dirt Daytona.
Im a fan of the Joe Dirt daytona and there is a clone superbiird on here being built .My 70 daytona clone I purchased and finished in all detail.Was one of the 2 Ted Janak built and owned in the early 80-s.He still has his yellow one..My old clone daytona now lives in Carthage NC
Awesome. Do you have pics of the one you built? Maybe you posted it and I missed it, but I would love to see it. I have never seen the one Ted made. You say it is Yellow, What color of yellow?
hey Dane
i don't think that the orange one is your old car. that was built by lawfiish racing , smith valley racing. then sold to some guy in florida heres a link to it
http://www.smithvalleymopars.com/69_daytona_charger_clone.htm
i dig that winston car. i got that picture from the winged warrior board. Rene
Just a note about the pictures of the "Charger 500" that was posted. That car is a true HEMI Daytona. The car had been in 500 get up since the early 80's, and when that guy purchased the car he thought he was buying a HEMI 500. Only to later find out its a HEMI Daytona. So not a bad upgrade to get considering he didn't know it was a Daytona. Car still had the wing brackets, and jack in the trunk.
I do believe that car has since been restored and is now once again wearing a wing and a nose cone.
Here is mine in it's current state of being! I have all the parts, just no time. I did find the donor car Sat. from which I will extract it's motor/trans. This car had a 340 in it (from where I don't know). It is an X head motor, but it is already sold. I am using a 5 cyl turbo diesel Mercedes in my clone. I have converted to a disc setup already and stripped the car after these photos were taken.
Quote from: BigBlockSam on August 30, 2005, 12:49:59 PM
hey Dane
i don't think that the orange one is your old car. that was built by lawfiish racing , smith valley racing. then sold to some guy in florida heres a link to it
http://www.smithvalleymopars.com/69_daytona_charger_clone.htm
i dig that winston car. i got that picture from the winged warrior board. Rene
The story I read online about that car is that a guy owned it and was going to sell it. He advertised it and then pulled it from the market and wanted to finish it. The add gave a Nevada address. I could not find on that link you gave where that car was built or where it is at. One thing is.. it does have the Vega rear window. Where did you get your info? It sounds like you know your stuff on this one.
:o :popcrn:
hey Dane
i was trying to buy the car. lawfish racing use to post on the winged warriors board. they told me that the guy they sold it to in florida wanted to sell the car but by the time i heard back the car was gone. my never ending battle to own a wing car goes on. Rene
This is an awesome thread since i have been looking for a 69' to convert to a Daytona clone someday.
Daytonaguy,
How are you doing all of the rear windows plugs (Vega hatch's?) & also how do you modify the deck lids & inner package trays.
That is a loaded Question. Get a big hammer and a blow torch, close your eyes and start swinging. ;D Does someone have those threads that we talked about the rear Vega window installation? For the price and quality, I think it is the way to go. The Dayclona plug and the after market glass is nice, if money is not a problem.
I guess I will have to post more... This is one that I would vote as the nicest clone out there. I would like to thank people for their compliments ... but my vote would go to this one.
(http://img373.imageshack.us/img373/6749/cananda5gc.jpg) (http://imageshack.us)
i say it's a toss up between that one and your yellow one. hey did you name that car yet,
A little tech tip for clone daytona builders
If stinger fiberglass products has the head light pivot brackets.With the connection point for the vacuum acutuator which is a known weak link on fiberglass parts .And people go to the electric set up sometimes out of frustrations with the vacuum. Ive made this change on cars Ive done.I get a household screen storm cylinder support bracket.Its hollow in the middle for the actuator arm.You need to shorten it and drill a hole in the side and pin it.And the screen door cylinder support bracket is flat with 4 mounting points.And will lay flat on the backside of the pivot bracket and only need 2 holes to secure it
Quote from: BigBlockSam on September 01, 2005, 09:40:34 AM
i say it's a toss up between that one and your yellow one. hey did you name that car yet,
I don't name cars. Sorry. Thanks for the compliments on my Yellow Daytona. Hey, there's a name. Ha
Here's a created car, circa 1988 in NJ.
BTW, since when are 1970 Chargers considered clones for a car that only existed in 1969? If you do a clone, you need a '69. If it's a '70, it's just a created car. ;)
BTW, since when are 1970 Chargers considered clones for a car that only existed in 1969? If you do a clone, you need a '69. If it's a '70, it's just a created car.
Burnt70 r/T... What in the hell are you talking about? Crack a Websters and get back to us.
Quote from: wetfeetmi on September 01, 2005, 07:42:14 PM
Burnt70 r/T... What in the hell are you talking about? Crack a Websters and get back to us.
Almost every '69 Daytona Clone, is based off of a 1970 Charger. Do I still need the Webster? Check the VIN's next time you see a "so called" clone.
Just in case you don't understand, a clone can only be a replica of a car that existed for the year that car was produced. No car with an "0" in the VIN could be a cloned Daytona. I can create a 440 '73 Challenger R/T, but can I clone one? Can you understand that?
Not to stir the pot, but I don't see that definition listed anywhere. The closest I can find is:
"One that copies or closely resembles another, as in appearance or function"
I'd say a 70 "clone" qualifies in that respect. There are Shelby Mustang "clones" from different year vehicles. Haven't we covered this before? Is there and automotive dictionary that I don't know about? Even if there is a formal definition there's also common usage to take into account. Clones and replicas are seemingly interchangeable but mean two totally different things as well. I have never heard of a "created car" unless it's a hand built rod or something like that.
Troy
The Daytona hood and fenders are more like 70 pieces than 69 pieces are they not? My 69 R/T SE will be a clone, but I have to use 70 parts to make it a clone. My vin won't say xx even though it has a 9. I don't see the importance of whether it's a 69 or a 70 or even a 68. I like them all.
My 71 cuda clone is actually a 71 Gran Coupe. My wife's 73 cuda has gilled fenders. My 69 bee and my 69 runner have non matching numbers 383's. My 70 318 Chal convert now has a 426 hemi. I'm proud of all of my cars even though they aren't worth as much as some. Just my 2 cents worth.
Quote from: Burnt70R/T on September 01, 2005, 07:49:32 PM
Quote from: wetfeetmi on September 01, 2005, 07:42:14 PM
Burnt70 r/T... What in the hell are you talking about? Crack a Websters and get back to us.
Almost every '69 Daytona Clone, is based off of a 1970 Charger. Do I still need the Webster? Check the VIN's next time you see a "so called" clone.
Just in case you don't understand, a clone can only be a replica of a car that existed for the year that car was produced. No car with an "0" in the VIN could be a cloned Daytona. I can create a 440 '73 Challenger R/T, but can I clone one? Can you understand that?
My 70 daytona clone has an "0" in the VIN, so did the original 70 DAYTONA that I copied/cloned mine from; "never say never when it comes to mopar", WATERMELON owner Mike; at DAYCLONA ENTERPRISES :icon_smile_wink:
This is funny. It sure got me thinking. If I clone a car, can I also clone the year too? Mine looks like the 69. If the vin needs a 9 then would it also need the XX? - Well, that would not make it a clone, would it? I will say this...I am cloning the year too. Now I can sleep tonight. :icon_smile_big: One is cloning the car, not the year. Personally, I think when one gets as close as possible to the original "Type" car, it becomes a better clone, "Dolly". Then again, what if you are making a custom clone? As far as I know there is no Bible for cloning, so I guess we get to make up our own cloning laws. Just have fun. Way to make us think Burnt70R/T
Dayclona cloned the mystery car that has little to no evidence that is was an original dealer installed 70 Daytona. So what would that be? It is all fun. It is what keeps the fun in the hobby and the interest up and discussion going.
amen brotha, preach on
so now shut up and go your own ways :icon_smile_big:
I swear... and I thought the SQC board was bad
Guys, I'm just one guy with one opinion. If I offended anyone, I apologize. I don't see what the big deal is of calling a car a "creation". it's not an insult. I think everyone's cloned Daytona on here looks great. Dane, I think your current Daytona is one of the baddest cars I have ever seen. It's much more than a clone IMO. :cheers:
As far as Dayclona is concerned, all of their wingcars are "creations". The Waltermelon car is represented as a '70, while the other 3 wingcars are basically a "what could have been" creation. They all look outstanding, and when you see them, you really wish Chrysler built them back in the day.
Thanks Burnt , let's look at it this way; A 'clone' would be a copy of an original, which necessarily indicates that one existed before it. Mike's Watermelon(sorry Dane, the name fits so well) by all evidence that exists today and through reasonable deduction, was a local MI dealer built car, is also a 'clone', but maybe more appropriately sub-classified as a recreation, since no original examples exist. :icon_smile_big: Or maybe it's just an exercise in artistic license. :icon_smile: The 71's, :bow: well they're just hastily built prototypes, no place for them in this discussion. :smilielol: They don't exist, just a figment of our imagination. :smoke: Have a great weekend guys. :2thumbs:
replica
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Thanks Burnt , let's look at it this way; A 'clone' would be a copy of an original, which necessarily indicates that one existed before it. Mike's Watermelon (sorry Dane, the name fits so well) by all evidence that exists today and through reasonable deduction, was a local MI dealer built car, is also a 'clone', but maybe more appropriately sub-classified as a recreation, since no original examples exist. :icon_smile_big: Or maybe it's just an exercise in artistic license. :icon_smile: The 71's, :bow: well they're just hastily built prototypes, no place for them in this discussion. :smilielol: They don't exist, just a figment of our imagination. :smoke: Have a great weekend guys. :2thumbs:
I think you guys did a great job on your Watermelon 70 Daytona that you cloned from the "Mystery Car". It is kind of like debating evolution, you can only look at the evidence and draw conclusions, and therefore it is only a theory. My concern is that the Mystery 70 Daytona should not be accepted
definitively as a Dealer installed Daytona when there is no factual evidence for it. These parts where available for carry out from any dealer and could have been Dealer installed, Shop installed or home installed. The fact is, no one knows. Look at all the proof that Jerry had to go through for his Dealer installed 70 Daytona and he has the car and all the paperwork, and people today still do not believe it. The only evidence we have on the Mystery 70 Daytona is 4 pics. I could draw
many reasonable conclusions from the evidence of those pics. I will leave us with what MCG said in their article on this car…"Just who this car was built for and who built it remains a genuine mystery".
I love the daring move Dayclona did to make this car. I think it is great and it keeps bringing more attention to this hobby. Please do not get me wrong, because people tend to jump to all kinds of conclusion on what is said on these posts, but your car is great and I cannot wait to see the next car you guys & girl make.
Take a look at the license plate....that "D" stands for dealer. I know you don't have the b&w pix I do(I will scan them for you), but if it walks like a duck....Whether the dealer's shop did it, or was done for the dealer by an outside shop, like the purple one, does remain a mystery, but use caution when quoting any rag, MCG or otherwise, and remember, we uncovered soooooooooo much more than anyone else ever has regarding the details of it's construction and plausible theory of it's intended use. Circumstantial evidence is still evidence. Yes, it does generate some interesting conversation.
thats a weird looking clone :D
I guess I am hijacking my own thread, and I know these pics are big, but so that you can read it and then I do not have to quote it, I will post it.
I think what I quoted from MCG stands on it's own. It was quoted carefully. Even in his article Randy Holden said one can draw many conclusions of this cars origin. About the plates, that was covered in his article. Let me give an example why we have to be careful in drawing definitive conclusions from such little evidence.
On the folder at Chrysler that held those pics said "Bob McCurry's Daytona". If Bob was not arrowed to say that he knew of nothing about that car and it was never his, everyone, including me, would believe that it was his car. But it was not. We have no evidence that the dealer had it done, even if the plates where dealer plates, and there is even a debate of whether those are dealer plates, expired as they are. What Dealer? No one knows. In my mind those pictures pose more questions than answers.
I hope you guys do not think I am a thorn in your side. I love what you are doing. You have motivated me to build a 71 Daytona using the 18" nose from the G-Series study. But with these boards so many things get started and they run like crazy. It is healthy to have as much information at everyone's fingers so that people can draw their own conclusions. Here is the artical from MCG
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Quote from: G-Series on September 02, 2005, 12:30:00 PM
I know you don't have the b&w pix I do(I will scan them for you)
You mean these… Are you saying you own the originals? I thought Greg Kwiatkowski owns them.
(http://img381.imageshack.us/img381/9147/gk70daytona11uo.jpg) (http://imageshack.us)
(http://img381.imageshack.us/img381/3039/gk70daytona29yu.jpg) (http://imageshack.us)
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Having done enough interviews with a variety of mags, what is told to them doesn't always end up accurately on the pages. Sometimes it's all out fabrication. Not those pix, I mentioned earlier that someone came up to us at Carlisle and showed us a pic from a 1970 Super Stock mag depicting a Dodge 'dealership' display with many new 70 models along with a Daytona funny car, and what appears to be the Melon. How many other 70 Chargers with a white top and Daytona wing do you think were out there in 70, in Michigan, wearing a "D" dealer plate(that much is known regardless what MCG says) in the midst of a Dodge dealer's display...how many more pieces to this puzzle do we need to at least reasonably conclude this was a dealer commissioned car. RE: McCurry, maybe he's a senile old man and doesn't remember what he had for lunch, maybe someone wrote that down on the folder as a joke, maybe once he saw the car, thought it was the ugliest thing he'd seen and told the commissioned dealer to take it away.... the possibilities are endless, but the probabilities are not. How would you explain the horizontal tubes under the chrome bumper? Isn't our explanation reasonable for the times? :Twocents:
If you have that pic of the "Mystery car", in that mag - post it, I would like to see it. Is it color?
<<<"How many other 70 Chargers with a white top and Daytona wing do you think were out there in 70, in Michigan, wearing a "D" dealer plate (that much is known regardless what MCG says) in the midst of a Dodge dealer's display" >>>-
I do not know, I cannot respond to something I have never seen. Was that car in that Super Stock mag clearly the green mystery car? Does it show in that Mag a picture showing the license plate? I know that there where 3 cars mentioned in a Winged Warriors newsletter back in the late 70's that talked about three 70 Daytona's made for people in Michigan. I have a pic of one with a white vinyl top and a wing.
<<<How would you explain the horizontal tubes under the chrome bumper? >>>
The question is...what is your explanation? You can't believe they're assembly toe hooks? I am not here to disprove or prove anything. People can make up their own minds. I am just saying that when one does not have any factual documentation - we have to say that this is "My opinion" or "My educated conclusion". I believe you have said that in so many words. I have no qualms with you guys, but we cannot say definitively that it was a "Dealer sanctioned car". If one had some documentation from the dealer or something - then it would help. If there was anyone anywhere that could come foreword from the dealer or Chrysler that could give us something ... anything ... it would help. But right now we have four pics, and apparently a Mag picture, that I have never seen to go by. I found truth is stranger than fiction. For me personally, there are too many questions that do not add up to draw a definitive conclusion. I simply have not come to a conclusion as of yet to what I believe about this "Mystery 70 Daytona". The more the debate goes on - the better, for something may turn up. I am routing for it to be a dealer installed 70 Daytona, because if it is, it may turn up, and that just makes all this - all the more fun.
well as dayclona said in mcg the car looked to be origianlly fj5 sublime becuase they could see traces of fj5 in trunk lip and fender areas so it was originally a 1970 440-6pack car with white interior and white roof nothing relli rare there so any car htat combo in michigan was probably it-MATT
Quote from: F8 69 CHARGER PUNK on September 02, 2005, 11:28:11 PM
well as dayclona said in mcg the car looked to be originally fj5 sublime because they could see traces of fj5 in trunk lip and fender areas so it was originally a 1970 440-6pack car with white interior and white roof nothing really rare there so any car that combo in Michigan was probably it-MATT
This gets more confusing. I did not get that MCG and have not read their article. Does anyone have it or could post it. I thought there was only one color pic of this car and that pic is from the front. How can someone see lime green in the trunk lip from a front pic?
My replica
Side View
One More
I like. ;D
OK here's mine from the old WWNBOA site and the article about it. Yes I've verified it with Drake Motors. and bottom is current condition. Lots of work to do!!!
That bottom pic looks like it's on HELLPAG's lot.
it was ---- yes you can find stuff there if you LOOK hard first. Solid underside only 1 bad spot on the frame. Caught the car by accident on their site and it rang a bell so I called a friend in the area and had him check it out first. Bought it cheap as they didn't know about the car and had NO offers.
i remember that car when it was for sale at HELLPAG'. i thought about it for about a minute. to much work for me but the price was rite. Rene
Quote from: G-Series on September 02, 2005, 12:30:00 PM
I know you don't have the b&w pix I do(I will scan them for you)
Looking forward to seeing those pics.
Did you guys show this week? It must be fun driving all three to shows. Just driving my two wings to a show this year was a blast.
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<<<I know you don't have the b&w pix I do(I will scan them for you), >>>
Those Super Stock mag pics are what I am interested in... Looking forward to seeing those.
Any idea as to who owns this clone?
I can't remember where I found this pic, but I like it.
Not sure what kind of wheels are on it. Any idea?
BTW, this is the car that I'm copying.
I know...red's been done to death, but I really don't want to stay triple black.
Besides, Rene's building a black clone. ;D
howdy larry
i'm gonna have a white tail on mine. i don't think thats a clone. i remember that car for sale. i think on ebay. reds cool. a real hotrod color.
For some reason I have it marked as a clone in my archives.
Did you cut on the plug yet? I haven't seen any pics yet.
Will your car look like this? ;D
I can't remember if this one was real. I think it is.
thats it. don't you see the one next to my avitar, next to my 39 rod. thats what i want mine to look like. :drive:
no more pics. :(
Here is a Clone of a Mopar club presidents car.
(http://img58.imageshack.us/img58/1461/1970daytonaa15is.jpg) (http://imageshack.us)
This is a very nice clone...
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Here is the one that was cloned in Colorado with Janak parts. This is the one that has been around the block a few times with the dealers. It was the one that supposedly went for 52K. It was a 383 car but when the dealers got it - they put a nice 440 in it.
(http://img381.imageshack.us/img381/7479/finished16gh.jpg) (http://imageshack.us)
Quote from: hotrod98 on September 05, 2005, 08:35:31 PM
Any idea as to who owns this clone?
I can't remember where I found this pic, but I like it.
Not sure what kind of wheels are on it. Any idea?
Those were the Kelsey Hayes wheels that got recalled. Something about the lugs? I'm not sure. Someone help me out
no those were not the Kelsey Hayes wheels those were the hubcapps they put on Dodge C-bods in '70...
BTW: The KH wheels were found to fail when run hard in reverse,.. there is a '68 dart running round the pennisula here with a small Dia. K.H. wheel.. ive seen it on the road two or three times (in the past 20 years) but never been able to stop the owner to ask where they are from.
I guess us Moparians notice this little crap.. :yesnod:
Quote from: Stratocharger on September 07, 2005, 12:29:03 AM
no those were not the Kelsey Hayes wheels those were the hubcapps they put on Dodge C-bods in '70...
BTW: The KH wheels were found to fail when run hard in reverse,.. there is a '68 dart running round the pennisula here with a small Dia. K.H. wheel.. ive seen it on the road two or three times (in the past 20 years) but never been able to stop the owner to ask where they are from.
I guess us Moparians notice this little crap.. :yesnod:
Oh, wow, I could have sworn those were the wheels.
see the turn signals on that presidents car replica. i get a kick out of the differant way people clone cars it's cool. like the clear plastic over the lights. on one of Dane's cars. that looked good. adds a little individuality to the car
more:
http://www.hoffmanswinnerscircle.com/69rtconvertible/Images2/khw3.jpg
http://www.hoffmanswinnerscircle.com/69rtconvertible/Images2/khw4.jpg
While I was attending the SEMA show last fall I saw the new Kelsey Hayes repro wheels. I can't remember who the vendor was but we talked about the wheels for a while. He asked me if I thought the wheels would sell well or not. I told him that I didn't think that they would since they don't look original. After all, we don't see them that much. They're good looking wheels, but to me they look like AMC wheels.
Just my opinion.
Quote from: jrzeppy on September 07, 2005, 12:49:44 AM
Quote from: Stratocharger on September 07, 2005, 12:29:03 AM
no those were not the Kelsey Hayes wheels those were the hubcapps they put on Dodge C-bods in '70...
BTW: The KH wheels were found to fail when run hard in reverse,.. there is a '68 dart running round the pennisula here with a small Dia. K.H. wheel.. ive seen it on the road two or three times (in the past 20 years) but never been able to stop the owner to ask where they are from.
I guess us Moparians notice this little crap.. :yesnod:
Oh, wow, I could have sworn those were the wheels.
nope. i think i got a set of those wheel covers on my '69 New Yorker.....
Here is one of mine that is for sale back in NY. This is the one (#7) I never got to finish thanks to my divorce. If you look at the front valance, I made a replacement piece for those who did not want to get the lower valance. All you have to do is remove the valance and this part fit both the fender and the nose. That Red Viper Daytona did a similar thing but they welded everything together (that looks cleaner)
(http://img144.imageshack.us/img144/6026/clone200054xd.jpg) (http://imageshack.us)
Here is Bill's Superbird clone and now Mikes Daytona (AllblueRT). Those of you who know Bill know what a great guy he is. I know the bird is not a Daytona but it is a wing car. You do not see as many birds as clones. I like birds a whole lot more without the vinyl top. I also like his stance. Some wingcars look like they have a lift kit on them and seeing that nose sticking to high just does not look right to me.
(http://img133.imageshack.us/img133/8259/bills8zl.jpg) (http://imageshack.us)
I've had a pic of those cars in my archives for a while and never knew who owned them.
Are the headlights mounted in the lower part of the nose on the bird? That looks so right somehow.
My wife want's a limelight/sublime wing car. Maybe I should build her a bird clone to go with my Daytona clone.
Still wishing that I hadn't sold my 70 GTX.
this is an outstanding wing car and he's a brother member on the board . i hope he doesn't mind me sharing these pics
Quote from: BigBlockSam on September 08, 2005, 11:53:03 PM
this is an outstanding wing car and he's a brither member on the board . i hope he doesn't mind me sharing these pics
Sam?. Excuse me,.. but is a "brither member" anything like a "fragrant poster"?..
I've been thinking on how to do the headlight doors and I'm just at the stage now to start mocking up the nose cone etc... After seeing that bird with the headlights mounted right under the leading edge of the nose, what do you guys think of something like that on a daytona? I think it would solve a lot of problems for me on getting the headlight doors to open and close. My clone won't have to be an exact replica, just a modifed restified. I thinik it might look cool.
Cool thread. Bill drives that Superbird rain or shine.
Tabor,
You're a mindreader. Ever since I saw that pic, I've been haunted with the same idea as you. I showed it to my wife last night and was telling her that we can use an aftermarket headlamp mounting panel ($100) from a 1993 to 1997 Camaro. It uses the small headlamp seal beams and would have all of the adjustors. You may have to split it in the middle since it may not have the right spacing. It's smc so you could bond it to the fg nose by using smc resins which are compatible with both smc and fg. My car is not going to be a true replica so I'm seriously thinking about going this route. I will drive this car around here mostly and just go to the local stuff anyway. Besides, it would eliminate a ton of headaches and save quite a bit of money. When I order the nose, I think I can request that the headlamp holes not be cut out. I'll do a little more research while the other guys give us hell over this. I've already told Rene that I'm having second thoughts again about converting the back glass. lol
I just want to drive the hell out of it.
Hey Daytona Guy, that Petty blue and red one that you did, was that car ever used in any magazine advertisements?
Petty Blue and Red being used? I do not believe it was. That car came with a dealer installed wing. We even had the papers on it. We sold it back in 83 and had no idea what we had.
I never have liked the frog eyed look of the Daytona's headlights so I set out to make my own. 99% of the time I never drive at night so I did not care if they where original anyway. I did these - one off - lights but it was not easy. I wanted to use an existing composite light and I wanted it to be low profile. This allows for brighter blue lights and the door only has to open 4". But, to my surprise, no composite headlights are square to the road, so they do angle back on the outside.
The original headlight door pivot points are inside the nose and swings the door open. As anyone knows who works on these, the doors are very hard to line up when open and sit right when closed because of the swinging action in the design. I changed that and made the pivot point at the top. I am working on an electric motor that will run my next set. I am in the process of making these an aluminum casting, and will allow drilling and tapping to be easy and will add to the over all strength of the door.. The one made for the pattern is looking good. With the pivot point at the top will make the lights easier to lift. The actual motion of the rod to open these is only about 2 inches.
(http://img378.imageshack.us/img378/8859/headlightdoors2lm.jpg) (http://imageshack.us)
(http://img239.imageshack.us/img239/9048/headlightspas56zx.jpg) (http://imageshack.us)
Okay. I could have sworn I saw that car in an ad for Thrush mufflers or something like that back in the late 70's or early 80's in a Hot Rod mag.
Someone may have but we never did. It would be cool to see that add.
Dane,
How do you lock the headlights in place when in the up position to prevent them from shaking?
I've always had a pretty good idea as to how to make them work but never on how to make them lock in place when in the up position.
That's why the solid mounted small halogens seem like a good way to go.
Any ideas as to how Bill mounted his and how well they worked?
Also, do you have any more pics of Bill's bird or how I can contact him?
Thanks,
hotrod98
Quote from: hotrod98 on September 09, 2005, 12:43:26 PM
Dane,
How do you lock the headlights in place when in the up position to prevent them from shaking?
I've always had a pretty good idea as to how to make them work but never on how to make them lock in place when in the up position.
That's why the solid mounted small halogens seem like a good way to go.
Any ideas as to how Bill mounted his and how well they worked?
Also, do you have any more pics of Bill's bird or how I can contact him?
Thanks,
hotrod98
The Red Daytona has a loaded gas strut and so when you release them they open and still have a load to keep them firm. Look close at my 2nd Red one. You will see that I mounted those under the nose. People thought they where driving lights and the Cops pulled me over all the time in OK. Oregon is not so uptight.
I do not believe Bill mounted them. Keep in mind that the Bird nose will allow for this. Mounting lights in the grill of the Daytona would be neat to try.
(http://img240.imageshack.us/img240/8219/billsbird8hf.jpg) (http://imageshack.us)
(http://img378.imageshack.us/img378/3213/redroundhouse0qa.jpg) (http://imageshack.us)
Quote from: thallium on September 09, 2005, 12:14:52 AM
I've been thinking on how to do the headlight doors and I'm just at the stage now to start mocking up the nose cone etc... After seeing that bird with the headlights mounted right under the leading edge of the nose, what do you guys think of something like that on a daytona? I think it would solve a lot of problems for me on getting the headlight doors to open and close. My clone won't have to be an exact replica, just a modifed restified. I thinik it might look cool.
Is this your car? This car is sitting on hlpag's lot....
"hlpag's lot" What is this?
It's an evil place where you never want to go.
I believe this is my car today. If I could talk to the owner - I could confirm it. This is a unique Charger and the vin would reveal it. I am 90% sure this is the one. If this is the one it will have a rare 70 tail light with factory 69 chrome trim around the lens.
(http://img137.imageshack.us/img137/2537/cf14xc.jpg) (http://imageshack.us)
(http://img320.imageshack.us/img320/2067/b013ma.jpg) (http://imageshack.us)
After looking at some Daytona clones here i must say that BigBlockSams looks great, post some more pictures of it...
hi guys
that black car on my page is a real daytona and is not mine. i am building my daytona to match that car. my charger has the rear wing and i've started to install the plug alot of work but do-able
see that picture of the blue daytona clone. his front lights don;t move those are covers. he takes them off at nite and the lights are fixed under neath them . also an option. thats the only thing i haven't figured out is how to open and close the lights. Rene
That Black one's my favorite too,..
Car and Driver did an article about it approx ten years ago, they said in it the current owner (at that time) bought it from someone who hauled sheetrock and lumber around between the wing and the roof, ??? they, (new owner) had to do alot of work to fix the roof because of all the wear..
I like the way the rubber blends in, being as the entire car is black, and of course black Chargers ROCK! :icon_smile_big:
another one that didnt exist
anymore of the black 71?
The way I see this headlamp thing is like this. You have more than one problem to deal with.
First, the headlamp door and bucket have to open and close. Duh.
Second, it has to open to a certain position in order for the headlamps to be adjusted correctly.
Third, it has to lock in order to prevent vibration while in the open position.
Fourth, it has to lock in the closed position for the same reason.
Fifth and finally, it has to look good when closed.
As far as engineering goes, if it depended on me we would all be living in caves banging on crap with sticks. I can bend, I can measure, I can weld, but I lack a little in the engineering department. Luckily my son takes after his mother and is studying mechanical and petroleum engineering at the University of Arkansas. I'm thinking about handing the whole thing over to him and his classmates and tell them that it's never been done before. They can figure it out. lol Or, I can just go with the stationary headlamp idea. Any ideas?
I'm really thinking about doing the stationary headlamps for the same reason. Larry brings up some good points opening and closing the headlight doors and I know my limitations :)
Dane has a good idea about mounting them in the grill area. The only problems I can see with that is:
1. the headlamp height has to be small enough to fit into the grill area. I would rather they fit nicely without doing a hack job to the grill area (slim lights so you won't have to cut the grill area larger)
2. the width has to be small enough not to take up too much space in the grill area. If the width of the lights are too large, will it take up too much space and cause overheating problems?
This is the only reason I was thinking of mounting the lights just below the grill like the bird to avoid overheating problems and not plug up the intake areas with lights. If there are some lights that are slim enough and do not take up too much room, they might work mounted in the grill area. Or maybe the two square intake ports are enough and the grill area can be blocked off with lights? Lots of ideas to think about with stationary lights :scratchchin:
My first choice in mounting the lights would be in the grill area like Dane was suggesting. Might look cool too. Do you guys think it'll cause overheating problems if mounted in the grill area?
does anybody have a drawing of the headlight mechanisms and nose . cause I'd like to see how they did it from the factory?
I really do not think the grill area will work. Too small, and it would be noticeable. I would load the doors to stay open against an adjuster and have them held closed. When closed they will not bounce around because the air pressure against the down stop position would keep it secure.
Tabor,
I'm no expert but I've read that overheating was a much bigger problem with the daytona than with the superbird. With me, being in the south is not going to help at all. In July and August we see 100+ temps all of the time. My wife's 2000 transam has no grille at all yet it never overheats. Air is channeled up from below the bumper in front of the air dam. You do have to have all of the pieces in place for it to work properly though.
I would be worried about having the headlamps so close together in the middle. Remember, you stll have to have turn signals in there somewhere and the headlamps have to work well enough to see to drive down the road and will they be legal, especially in California ? They're the toughest state to please. I'm not sure if there are combo lamps in the small rectangular seal beams. The camaros use high and low beam capsules which means 4 bulbs. The logical choice is to mount them below the grille area, close off the grille, mount the turn signals in the grille like stock and leave an opening in front of the air dam just behind the headlamps for the air intake. This is all just thinking at this point. Heck, there might not be enough room there for all of that. lol
I think I mentioned this once before, but do any of the daytona parts suppliers assemble a nose cone for an additional fee? It seems to me that they would be the guys to do it and have it work right. Like Tabor said...I know my limitations.
I want to apologize if we're hijacking this thread.
We're still looking for more pics of those clones.
This isn't a daytona but it's one bad bird. I first saw this bird at the nats in 98, I think. The front end is all molded in and it's tubbed big time. Haven't seen it lately, just remember that the owner was a real nice guy.
Notice the hood? I've never seen a charger hood on a runner before.
That is a trip with the hood. In hot rodding, anything is possible. I saved this picture a while back because of the idea with the headlights. Another person with the same idea with the headlights mounted under the nose.
Here is another idea for headlights. Mounting them recessed. To me, they would not look too bad like this either. Without headlight covers, just recessed into the nosecone.
Here is another one. I've saved all these picture because of the headlight configurations. Here is the aussie charger I believe. There are some lights or something up front. Not sure if these are turn signals, lights, or what, but something is mounted right under the leading edge of the nose cone. It looks nice to me.
Is that Onebadsuperbird's car or a different one? If it's John's, he'll certainly know what they are.
I think this one is the aussie one also, just with the headlights too big in the grill, which is what I would want to avoid.
The red daytona is the original Aussie one if you look closly at the movie Running on empty you will see it in the background in a few sceens It was then painted Blue and went back to its homeland.
The extra lights in the front would be to satisfy our road regulations for regestration.
Regards
Steve
Great thread ... now I want my 70 Charger back :-\
One thing is clear to me now regarding non original headlamps. For the car to look right, you would need to at least have the headlamp doors in place. It would look too "non original" without them if you know what I mean. The headlamps could even be recessed under the nose on either side of the grille and have tinted covers and not be very noticable. With the new "bright light" bulbs available, I don't think the tint would affect the brightness that much. That would allow the turn signals to be left where they belong...in the grille. While I don't drive my cars that much after dark, I wouldn't want to be stuck somewhere and not be able to get home. Besides, we're doing the cruise thing a lot more nowadays like the midnight cruise in Branson each August.
well I just started today making the headlight doors fit in the nose cone right. Lots of trimming to get them to sit properly and look right. I can tell this is not going to be a slap it together and go thing. It's going to take a lot of triming and fitment issues to work out. After playing with the parts, trimming etc.. I can see that making these doors open and close is going to be a big job. More than I will be able to handle. I'm almost sure for my project, I'll make the doors stay permanently closed and mount some headlights somewhere else. It will be interesting. One thing I will make sure of.....if it does not look right, I will not do it. It has to look presentable, not a hack job.
look at this picture below. What is that under the nose cone? it that a turn signal molded into the nose cone?
picture of an orange clone
That is the front spoiler on Jerry's 70 Daytona.
doh... My eyes saw something different, but now I see.
hey Tabor
did you read what Dane said about pivoting the headlight doors on top. made me think. :scratchchin:
i think i have a good idea. let me run it past my brain trust. (that means drink alot of beers with my gear head buddies and figure it out.) Rene
Here is mine..... :wave:
Bryan :drive:
I like very much.
Who would have thought that a Daytona would have looked that good in that color.
Ray Nichels, Charlie Glotzbach, and Dow Chemical?
nice pics
Someone asked about original headlight door drawings? I don't have them, but my friend's 2 Superbirds are not clones, & whatever they did from the factory is sloppy & seems mostly an afterthought. (Which it was actually.) Anything modified from that design & built on a replica should be an improvement. They shake, bob up & down, & are terrible for visibility at night. (I've driven both his cars & can attest to that too.) He's had one since 1973 & the other since the late '70's, so he has a good history with them.
I don't look forward to tackling the headlight part of the project on mine, but have heard form several people (Wingcars6970 I think) about using the electric motors from a '70 Charger. I found one on eBay for $15 a while back & saved it in case. Ted Janak would be a good person to speak with on this part of the project. If I'm not mistaken, I think he even recommends this & may make something to mount it inside the nose. I always thought I would have gotten around to asking him, but haven't yet.
Has anyone bought his parts yet? They would be in a better position to ask if they did.
Bob
a couple of yrs ago i spoke to Mr Janek on the phone. inquiring about his parts. i also asked him some tech stuff but all he said to me was after you receive my parts and are installing them he would help me.
i called mike from dayclona last week. to see about buying daytona blinkers. left my number with a women there. but nobody called me back.
it's hard to find good help these days. cuda ken just sold me one . so now i only need one blinker. Rene
I made my headlights operate off vacuum llike original. I also thought about the headlight motor from a 70 Charger, but here are 2 things that I had thought about: 1) I don't think that the little motor has enough power to rotate both buckets full of headlights and wiring. 2) If you look closely at how far the Daytona and Superbird's headlight buckets rotate, they do not go a full 90 degrees, the little motor has full travel of 90 degrees on the 70 Charger....
On another note...I also got Janak's kit for our car...I was dissapointed as to the form & fit of the parts. A lot of work had to be done to get everything to line up correctly. Plus, some of the parts he shipped me were damaged and he would not help to get them repaired or warrentied.
Just my thoughts....
Bryan :drive:
You guys Bryan did about the best job I have ever seen on doing his headlights. I would fly him in and pay this guy to do it. Not to many people could do what he did. Excellent work.
i dig the way Bryan's car looks with the lights open. very cool! thats how i want mine to look. Rene
Thanks guys...much appreciated.
To follow up on the "vacuum" headlight operation.....I did not use the standard 68-69 Charger headlight switch. I still have the stock 70 switch in there and I have invented (if that's what you want to call it) an updated electro-vacuum switch that all 68 and 69 owners can adapt over to thier car instead of that OE style leaky vacuum portion on the back of the original switches. I sell them out of my house. I have had one on our car since 95 and have had no problems....picture is below...if interested, email me direct at A383Wing@aol.com....
Sorry guys...did not mean to ramble on and get off topic....
Bryan :drive:
i musta missed it but why wont the Corvette mech. work?.
See, Bryan is amazing. How much are those switches?
Quote from: BigBlockSam on September 12, 2005, 08:59:39 PM
a couple of yrs ago i spoke to Mr Janek on the phone. inquiring about his parts. i also asked him some tech stuff but all he said to me was after you receive my parts and are installing them he would help me.
i called mike from dayclona last week. to see about buying daytona blinkers. left my number with a women there. but nobody called me back.
it's hard to find good help these days. cuda ken just sold me one . so now i only need one blinker. Rene
Rene' Sorry I've been busy, You have a PM Mike/DAYCLONA
Quote from: A383Wing on September 12, 2005, 09:15:22 PM
I made my headlights operate off vacuum llike original. I also thought about the headlight motor from a 70 Charger, but here are 2 things that I had thought about: 1) I don't think that the little motor has enough power to rotate both buckets full of headlights and wiring. 2) If you look closely at how far the Daytona and Superbird's headlight buckets rotate, they do not go a full 90 degrees, the little motor has full travel of 90 degrees on the 70 Charger....
On another note...I also got Janak's kit for our car...I was dissapointed as to the form & fit of the parts. A lot of work had to be done to get everything to line up correctly. Plus, some of the parts he shipped me were damaged and he would not help to get them repaired or warrentied.
Just my thoughts....
Bryan :drive:
Bryan, your thoughts are somewhat correct, the 70 charger motor rotates a full 90 degrees, the daytona headlite piviots 45-50 degrees, ......................in the creation of Gary and Pams 1971 Bi-Wing Daytona,(the G-Series cars) I used a unmodified 70 motor, mounting it in the middle of the lites(as on a stock 70 charger) connecting the daytona piviots just as one would a stock 70 charger/ using the same square rod to join the lites to open together, the lites on the 71 daytona have steel piviots/ steel buckets ,fiberglass outer doors( as original in construction to 69/70 tona/bird) use standard bulbs/ headlite harness, and yes the 70 motor can lift all this weight, the daytonas "factory" piviot points were not relocated, this nose assy is about as stock as you can get in it's construction, with the exception of a bracket to mount the 70 motor, the variation in degrees: the weight of the piviots L/R are a tremendous undertaking for the motor to move, the rod now takes on a torsional load(as it does to some degree in a stock 70 grille set-up) as it brings the daytona lites up to that 50 degree mark (anymore and the doors hit the cone) and they stop at the up stops located in the bucket, the motor continues winding to its 90 degree shut off, now the headlites are "torsionaly wound tight, this prevents the lite from bouncing as you drive down the road! the same effect in reverse, the lites are loaded in the closed position so the lites don't bounce open! note your motor must be in very good cond. the square connecting rod rustfree/pitfree, otherwise poor operation/and or failure will result! Gary and Pam have owned and driven the white 71 Daytona for 3-4 years now and drive the balls off it! day and nite, have proudly showed off to people when they ask do the lites work? Pam always warns people not to stick their fingers in the lites as they move, rapidly! they'll take your finger off!.................. a few aspects of electric lift (factory motor) the car does not have to be running, you have the emergency "wheel" to crank open/close the lites in an electrical motor failure! note the same 70 electric motors were employed in the creation of the all BLACK 71 winged Superbee/Charger(G-Series) car, except I used 2 motors, one for each piviot/ why ? just experimenting! either way 1 motor or 2 it works! on the 71 Plymouth Superbird, I used pontiac fiero motors(2) because they lended themselves in size/shape to fit in the small confines of the 71 bird nosecone (only 12", Stock tona/bird18") a note on using electrical motors, if your cone/piviots/doors/etc etc are all fiberglass, ( fiberglass "units" are O.K. for vacumm set-ups, as vacummm opperation is "passive" in opperation)its gonna get busted up! the piviot frames must be steel , fiberglass buckets are marginal at best! the outer doors are just decreative coverings that serve no purpose so to speak! I've done vacumm/electric for 69/70/71 tonas/birds, they have each their own pros and cons!either choice requires attention to detail/engineering/function , veiw the additional pics on DAYCLONA.com to see what a real piviot/ bucket assy looks like!...........steel the only choice................................................
I hope this helped! MIKE / DAYCLONA
Quote from: Old Moparz on September 13, 2005, 08:56:09 PM
Quote from: Stratocharger on September 13, 2005, 12:03:54 AM
Quote from: Stratocharger on September 12, 2005, 10:33:02 PM
i musta missed it but why wont the Corvette mech. work?.
:shruggy:
you can only use the 1983 corvette assys, they are extremely rare and hard to come by! in fact no part #''s were even assigned by the factory! just ask your friendly goofwrench counterman for assistance in finding these assys!goodluck!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! :icon_smile_evil:
Quote from: Daytona Guy on September 12, 2005, 11:46:11 PM
See, Bryan is amazing. How much are those switches?
Dane..or anyone else who is interested in these little "electro-vacuum" swiches I have come up with...email me direct at A383Wing@aol.com and we can talk...I don't want to take up a lot of space here talking prices.
Amd Mike...thanks for your input....as I stated, I did think about the 70 motor idea...but the vacuum switch I have come up with and going the original vacumm route was better for me at the time.
Thanks again....
Bryan :drive:
oh, i git it.. :icon_smile: ...now...
Sorry, but my eyes aren't working this week & this looks like it's worth seeing.
Bryan, your thoughts are somewhat correct, the 70 charger motor rotates a full 90 degrees, the daytona headlite piviots 45-50 degrees, ......................in the creation of Gary and Pams 1971 Bi-Wing Daytona,(the G-Series cars) I used a unmodified 70 motor, mounting it in the middle of the lites(as on a stock 70 charger) connecting the daytona piviots just as one would a stock 70 charger/ using the same square rod to join the lites to open together, the lites on the 71 daytona have steel piviots/ steel buckets ,
fiberglass outer doors( as original in construction to 69/70 tona/bird) use standard bulbs/ headlite harness, and yes the 70 motor can lift all this weight, the daytonas "factory" piviot points were not relocated, this nose assy is about as stock as you can get in it's construction, with the exception of a bracket to mount the 70 motor, the variation in degrees: the weight of the piviots L/R are a tremendous undertaking for the motor to move,
the rod now takes on a torsional load(as it does to some degree in a stock 70 grille set-up) as it brings the daytona lites up to that 50 degree mark (anymore and the doors hit the cone) and they stop at the up stops located in the bucket, the motor continues winding to its 90 degree shut off, now the headlites are "torsionaly wound tight, this prevents the lite from bouncing as you drive down the road! the same effect in reverse, the lites are loaded in the closed position so the lites don't bounce open! note your motor must be in very good cond.
the square connecting rod rustfree/pitfree, otherwise poor operation/and or failure will result! Gary and Pam have owned and driven the white 71 Daytona for 3-4 years now and drive the balls off it! day and nite, have proudly showed off to people when they ask do the lites work? Pam always warns people not to stick their fingers in the lites as they move, rapidly! they'll take your finger off!.................. a few aspects of electric lift (factory motor)
the car does not have to be running, you have the emergency "wheel" to crank open/close the lites in an electrical motor failure! note the same 70 electric motors were employed in the creation of the all BLACK 71 winged Superbee/Charger(G-Series) car, except I used 2 motors, one for each piviot/ why ? just experimenting! either way 1 motor or 2 it works! on the 71 Plymouth Superbird, I used pontiac fiero motors(2) because they lended themselves in size/shape to fit in the small confines of the 71 bird nosecone (only 12", Stock tona/bird18")
a note on using electrical motors, if your cone/piviots/doors/etc etc are all fiberglass, ( fiberglass "units" are O.K. for vacumm set-ups, as vacummm opperation is "passive" in opperation)its gonna get busted up! the piviot frames must be steel , fiberglass buckets are marginal at best! the outer doors are just decreative coverings that serve no purpose so to speak! I've done vacumm/electric for 69/70/71 tonas/birds, they have each their own pros and cons!either choice requires attention to detail/engineering/function , veiw the additional pics on DAYCLONA.com to see what a real piviot/ bucket assy looks like!...........steel the only choice
I hope this helped! MIKE / DAYCLONA
Lee Sicilio again has set a new land speed record for his clone daytona.Out fitted with Teds parts like nose and window plug etc .To verify to date he has had zero defects or any fiberglass short comings he set one thanking Ted.As a unbiased review.Coming from a out sider a independant that has nothing to gain by making allegations .When I recieve it It will be posted.((Then maybe you can explain Charger Vert)) Why this race car under several kinds of stress is exhibiting no fiberglass short comings of Teds parts.As you claim the street useage ones will fail.Also how many outsider independant customer satisfaction salutes are on the dayclona website.At this time or ever
:blahblah: :no: :brickwall: :violin:
And now back to our regularly scheduled thread on Daytona cloning and the pics thereof.
the only problem that i've heard with fiberglass are that the wing s shake at speeds over 100 miles an hour. Rene
I have to admit, that if that wing did over 200 MPH, then the proof is in the pudding. I have no argument. I use aluminum because is sounds better with the knuckle test, and is it less expensive. The rear plug however is still a concern, and I work with fiberglass, I know that over time, stress, expand, contract, torque and with jarring will begin to show. But, if I had one, I would enjoy it and live with the fact that I have a Daytona, with or with out a glass plug, and not too many people can say that. Just have fun.
i would have to go see and feel the wing to believe it is fiberglass. if it is, it is highly reinforce just for this car. Rene
Quote from: BigBlockSam on September 16, 2005, 02:02:23 PM
i would have to go see and feel the wing to believe it is fiberglass. if it is, it is highly reinforce just for this car. Rene
Yes, the wing for this car was extensively reinforced with steel, and extensive braceing in the trunk/floor, one can't look at a "element" as being inferior/superiour, as long as the engineering is sound, and the properties of a said design/mat'l choice is made based on sound principles,parameters can be met or exceded, example the fiberglass wing on my Lamborghini Countach is fiberglass, although well engineered and constructed it can obtain and sustain speeds nearing 200mph! now if I was to replace/reproduce it in paper mache' ;I don't think it would hold up! that's like saying a cloth wing bi-plane should be able to go 500 knots, or that a fiberglass daytona/bird wing that 's not reinforced will go 250mph! give me a brake!, even Chrysler knew this! that why ,if you've had the chance to see a true vintage nascar wing, there's a huge "A" frame tubular insert cast into the wing, along with a cable channel (for increased support as well as shear protection if the car was hit/wrecked) Chrysler knew the "production" wing would not withstand repeated stress, that why there 's "street" wings & "race" wings! do you seriously think a unreinforced fiberglass daytona/bird wing will survive, not!!!!!!!!!!!!!!Wingcar69/70 you've been hoodwinked in thingking so!.................but lobe damage is apparent! by the kaos that runs rampant in your posts! :devil: Dave relax! smoke that last cigarette,and kick out that stool that your standing on! and hang tight!
back to the subject. does this clone count? i don't think that it's even a clone
Quote from: BigBlockSam on September 16, 2005, 08:19:47 PM
back to the subject. does this clone count? i don't think that it's even a clone
creation/concept!/custom?? ::)
Quote from: BigBlockSam on September 16, 2005, 08:19:47 PM
back to the subject. does this clone count? i don't think that it's even a clone
I'd say that one falls into the "what if" category. What if the winged cars were on the drawing boards before the 2nd gen Charger was on the drawing boards? Chances are this may be something like what the Daytona would have turned out to be.
Anyway, kudos to the guy who brainstormed that car & went ahead & actually made it...it's a pretty neat "what if" car, if you ask me. :icon_smile_big:
I will chime in. I think that thing is a "Mistake". :icon_smile_wink:
i think it looks good but i like just about any mopar with a large wing on the back
I disagree that it's a mistake. I thought so at first but the more I have looked at it, the more it intrigues me. I might have done it differently but that is the beauty of "what if's", they should provoke and make you think.
Oh, and Dayclona, don't get sucked into the personal attack stuff. No one here cares and if we ignore it, it'll go away.
How about this... Is this next?
1 of 1 Adobe Daytona
(http://img212.imageshack.us/img212/3334/76daytona9oj.jpg) (http://imageshack.us)
Hey why not? It's an interesting exercise. How about this, what if wing car evolution had continued to the current Dodge NASCAR offering?
:icon_smile: Stooooooooooooooooopppppppppppppp :o You mean a 4Dr Daytona. Ha ha.
That fastback Charger with the Daytona wing has a funny story. The guy who did it has a sign he displays at shows telling a story. It goes on to say how it was a special one of one, factory built Daytona, & has all kinds of "info" authenticating the story. He supposedly did it as a joke since there were so many people hung up on numbers. This was posted on the old board before it crashed, so I don't have the details & may even have some of it wrong, but that's what I recall.
I liked the idea he had, but not too crazy about a Daytona wing on that body style.
Yeah, I did mean the four door, but since this thread has evolved (?) from clones to what if's, why not? I hate the car, but I'd still be interested to see theory's. Hell, if someone has a viable idea on how wing cars might have progressed, post drawings of Torusses and FullMontyKarlo's too. It's Friday night and just for laughs anyway.
Here is a drawing I did a little while back on a Retro Daytona if it was made today
(http://img385.imageshack.us/img385/9171/daytonadrawingemail3sh.jpg) (http://imageshack.us)
That's what I'm talking about. That is a car with possibilities.
OK, Back to the real clones. Doesn't that sound funny
(http://img383.imageshack.us/img383/442/200462241726974223714306dt.jpg) (http://imageshack.us)
Daytona Guy,.. That sure looks like the daytona rendering I did,.. seen it?.
Quote from: Daytona Guy on September 17, 2005, 01:26:46 AM
Here is a drawing I did a little while back on a Retro Daytona if it was made today
(http://img385.imageshack.us/img385/9171/daytonadrawingemail3sh.jpg) (http://imageshack.us)
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I've been "approached" to do a new "CHARGER", with updated "DAYTONAIZATIONS" for the SEMA show? but my plans call for converting it to 2 doors, not4!..................so it looks like a no go!they? insisted apon the 4 drs!...................don't think so!
mike/DAYCLONA
I am sooooo tempted in posting a SRT-4 with that big spoiler on it :D
The Chrysler design department has my pics. I was flattered that they would even look at them. I was accepted at Art Center College of Design, and I know some designers. They said they wanted to know what people really are wanting and concepts do influence overall designs. Here is the Charger version.
(http://img241.imageshack.us/img241/4777/chargerlongeremail6vi.jpg) (http://imageshack.us)
Quote from: dayclona on September 17, 2005, 04:03:51 PM
Quote from: Daytona Guy on September 17, 2005, 01:26:46 AM
Here is a drawing I did a little while back on a Retro Daytona if it was made today
(http://img385.imageshack.us/img385/9171/daytonadrawingemail3sh.jpg) (http://imageshack.us)
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I've been "approached" to do a new "CHARGER", with updated "DAYTONAIZATIONS" for the SEMA show? but my plans call for converting it to 2 doors, not4!..................so it looks like a no go!they? insisted apon the 4 drs!...................don't think so!
mike/DAYCLONA
I have to admit that that car as a whole would be a difficult task. The car is a brick. The NASCAR Charger shape is more like a funny car rendition. I do not like the lines of that car at all for a Daytona Areo car. Do not bame you. I would be sectioning and cutting like crazy.
some more clones
one more
Rene,
What's that under the grille on the 70? Headlights?
there are two square holes under the daytona nose...
Quote from: Daytona Guy on September 18, 2005, 08:15:54 PM
The Chrysler design department has my pics. I was flattered that they would even look at them. I was accepted at Art Center College of Design, and I know some designers. They said they wanted to know what people really are wanting and concepts do influence overall designs. Here is the Charger version.
(http://img241.imageshack.us/img241/4777/chargerlongeremail6vi.jpg) (http://imageshack.us)
Hey Dane, that's a pretty good one! :thumbs:
It's a little long in the snout (if you don't mind some constructive criticism), but overall, it looks great!! :)
hey Larry
those are two holes where the air is directed from the front spoiler
Not a problem, without criticism nothing improves. I prefer to call it evaluation. Thanks for the comp.
With the right baffling, I can see where those extra holes could improve cooling. With that small grille, it's amazing that a big block car could idle in traffic at all. I will certainly be working on the cooling aspect so that it's not a problem. I'm thinking aluminum radiator, factory fan, electric pusher fans, baffling and extra holes. Maybe a remote tranny cooler with a fan as well. Oh yeah, and a 100 amp alternator. :icon_smile_big:
I put an electric pusher fan in front of my radiator.....helps in traffic.
Bryan :drive:
A383Wing,
Did you hook it up thermostatically or manually with a switch? Just curious.
When I installed the 5.9 liter 360 in my wife's 73 cuda, I eliminated the fan blade (it didn't align up with the fan shroud properly) and install daul puller fans thermostatically and it works great.
new hemi,
are you trying to spend more money than me this winter :P
Here is your car Mark. I need your address and I will ship you a shirt. It was not in the front because every year 1 of the big 3 gets the front spot because the year before a Mopar was on the front. This still fits the thread because it is a clone. ;D ;) :)
(http://img239.imageshack.us/img239/2337/pict16573im.jpg) (http://imageshack.us)
Quote from: hotrod98 on September 19, 2005, 11:47:17 PM
A383Wing,
Did you hook it up thermostatically or manually with a switch? Just curious.
hotrod, I have a separate manual switch under the dash. Have not really needed it around here. We did use it when we went to Alabama in 99 for the Wing Car reunion. I have a 19" 7 blade fan with a non-thermal fan clutch on the car now. Pulls lots of air in the front at low speeds, then disengages when rpm's climb.
Bryan :drive:
another clone, look at what it says on the fender, strange
that sucker's sure sittin low! weird decals... i dont like em... :icon_smile_angry:
why does it say honda trophy on the fender?
somethings really wrong with that one,.. look where the axel is in front,.. then look at the axel in back... WTF!?..
the fender scoops look suspect and none of the decals match anything i've ever seen before... it looks to be dragging on the ground and the entire car looks genaric.. like a soviet version or sumpthin..
http://www.hightechscience.org/Buran_Space_Shuttle_Comparsion_1.gif
here's the deal..
http://www.440magnum-network.com/emailed/2000/may00/1957chr1970superbird.shtml
Quotelike a soviet version or sumpthin
:smilielol:
Looks like a model car to me....but what do I know??
Bryan :drive:
hey AllBlueRT
are you gonna use electric or vacuum for your headlights . Rene
another clone
this black one looks kinda weird too,.. front looks too long and flat and the rear roof line looks funny too... not a great pic waay too small... :-\
Mike,
Hemi in the Daneclona is a VERY smart move!! What will happen to the 440? Is it 69 date coded?
3X
:icon_smile_big:
I really like those photos of the 1971 cars, & the headlight doors really look great. The angles make the pics look better than some of the other photos I've been seeing, including the ones in the magazines. I was lucky enough to see all of them in person at several shows in CT & Carlisle, very nice work. :2thumbs:
Quotethe headlight doors really look great.
:iagree:
and yet another clone
i dont think the headlites work...
http://www.draglist.com/photoimages/Funny%20Car%20Reunion/00-077-02-Nitro-Charger.jpg
i like the way this one looks with just the wing
I was wonderin' if Gary was ever gonna chime in on this thread........
Cool rides there G-Series...awesome work guys....not that it means much comin' from a lil' guy like me...BUT.....very profesionally done! I wish I could do something like that!
2fast :icon_smile_big:
this is the one from the Janek website
Make mine lime, thank you very much.
My wife insisted that I paint my clone lime.
That's the very reason I bought her the '70 satellite.
Now she can build herself a lime bird and leave my car alone.
i like it better in green
Actually, it does look good in green. If a guy was building a resto-mod / g-machine it would be kosher, but as a true clone, I don't think that I would go there.
Would be a legit color for a superbird though.
I don't like vinyl tops. The only exception would be if I decided to resto the R/T SE since it is (was) triple black.
I think that I was referring to my wife's superbird clone project in that post since real superbirds all had vinyl tops. I love the superbird clones where they didn't go with the vinyl top. I've even seen a real bird without a vinyl top. They filled the plug in smooth and left the vinyl top off. Looked so good. If I remember correctly, the birds were originally planned to be finished out, but were behind schedule and to save time added the vinyl top. Not real sure. We would need someone smarter than me to confirm that.
At Topeka last week was a superbird with the hood extension welded in smooth. Looked great in my opinion.
WOW! i got a major chub when i saw this pic. thats the same color combo i'm doing mine. does anybody know anything about this clone?
Blue, that lightning bolt on the tail was on a few nascar chargers back in the day, i belive it was some sort of "Charger" logo,.. I think the wingcar site has more pics of racing DAYTONAS with that graphic...
Magnumforce Blown 528 HEMIDAYTONA
http://www.magnumforce.com/
man! that thing looks like a missle, mean and long
this is the one that stinger used in there ebay add. i don't dig the sag in the back wing
No, that looks awful. The Taurus (or whatever) hubcaps look terrible too. Even if it is just a mockup, that stuff should be better than that.
What do you see that looks so awful? besides the hubcaps and missing valence? The thing looks like it's on straight to me. What are you seeing that I'm missing? the nose cone is on straight, just missing the valence and rubber around the nosecone which I'm sure he'll put on later. The scoops looks good. ??????
Hi Tabor, look at the wing on the back. see how it's sags in the middle. besides that i think it looks good
I see now. The picture was focused on the front end and I did not catch that on the first look.
It would take one heck of a fat chick to bend one of dane's wings.
When the wing arrived on my porch, I had to make three trips just to bring it into the house. :icon_smile_big:
the wing was left at my neighbors house. so i tied a string to my dolly, wheeled it over there, and pulled the three wing parts home. my wife said i looked like a little kid, pulling my red wagon with a big smile on my face. :laugh:
I just took my superbee up to the storage building and brought my charger home to start the daytona transformation. It's going to be a slow process with all of the other projects going on, but at least I've got it home now.
It's the closest pic I could find of a daytona clone. ;D
tell me that car isn't screaming for a big towel rack on the back. ok, you got your wing and you got the car. i think it's time for a marriage. :2thumbs:
All I need now is a pic of the back of someone's vega plug cut and ready to install.
hint hint wink wink nudge nudge
I sold both of my 63 belvederes today, so I have a little cash to order some parts now. Too bad that I have to wait so long to get some of the parts. I think I'll concentrate on the back glass and the trunk lid. I'll order the trunk finisher piece, trunk hinges, fender scoops, wing washers and wing gaskets.
Oh yeah, almost forgot...I'm guessing that the old rear glass channel has to be removed so that the package tray lies flat. Right?
Quote from: hotrod98 on October 17, 2005, 09:09:45 PM
...I'm guessing that the old rear glass channel has to be removed so that the package tray lies flat. Right?
Wrong! Just remove the rear window glass and trim, Mig up the Vinyl top trim holes and you're good to go...If you look closely at the rear headliner of a "Real" Daytona or a 500, the original window opening is visible as a ridge in the headliner and the package tray protrudes thorough the original window opening and lays out onto the original dutchman panel...
must be an absolute BITCH to clean that rear window eh?.. ;D
oh,. to have your problems... ;D
Quote from: AllBlueRT on October 17, 2005, 11:38:52 PM
I stick my four year old in head first and move her around by her feet. Usually does the job. :angel: :devil:
:haha:
Troy
It's better than trying to clean the front window of one of those GM slope nosed minivans from a few years ago. At least you have pride in the Mopar.
Daytona R/T SE,
I had never noticed that. I always assumed that the channel had to be removed. That makes me feel a lot better about using this R/T SE car. Changing it back later wouldn't be that difficult, not that I plan to. But I could, but I won't. I'm gathering a little more info all of the time.
I need to find a pic of a clone now to post to make up for hijacking this thread.
Thanks
hey hotrod98
you better ask Dane for a pic of the rear of the vega plug with the material removed. i removed very little material from the back of the plug. like that it keeps its structural strength. i notched the sail panels to get mine in. Rene
I'm not trying to change the topic, but since I'm working on a Daytona replica (clone) I put some pictures up of those strange mouldings I got with the rear window plug. Unfortunately they're buried in the body & paint forum. Anyone recognize these as Vega Mouldings? I have them laid out on top of the plug to show the difference in shape.
Photos are in this topic:
http://www.dodgecharger.com/forum/index.php/topic,4376.0.html
Here's a Daytona Not-a-replica!
On second thought, maybe it's a Cuda because of the shaker? Naw, it's a Buick because of the fake fender vents... :ahum:
(http://www.ganleydodgewest.com/img/ebay/26135/pic-2.jpg)
hehehe...
Here's a 318 Daytona replica on eGouge right now; http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/69-70-Dodge-Charger-Daytona-Clone_W0QQitemZ4584186080QQcategoryZ6199QQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem
new one for the thread.
http://www.eastohiocoolcars.com/Road%20Trip/RoadTrip2003/005/1970Daytona.htm
err?..
http://www.motorcities.com/media/image/640/05EO0340919642B/1969-Dodge-Charger-Daytona-Hemi-B.jpeg
more?..
http://www.motorcities.com/media/image/640/05EO0340919642F/1969-Dodge-Charger-Daytona-Hemi-F.jpeg
http://image24.webshots.com/25/5/58/13/26555813gdIBCtXcgR_ph.jpg
great shot! ;)
http://hotrod.com/featuredvehicles/113_0507_cuda07_s.jpg
oppps.. :-\
http://www.torinocobra.com/images/White_King_Cobra_factory.JPG
http://www.tidewatermoparclub.com/MemCars/bldaytona2.jpg
who's gotta big nose!?. ;D
http://www.familycar.com/Classics/images/69DodgeChargerDaytona.jpg
never seen this one before...
http://image24.webshots.com/25/5/58/13/26555813gdIBCtXcgR_ph.jpg
http://image24.webshots.com/25/5/58/13/26555813gdIBCtXcgR_fs.jpg
not a clone..
http://mapleleafmopars.homestead.com/files/cib69daytona.jpg
Strato...is that last pic a panther pink car? (moulon rouge?)
Quote from: wetfeetmi on November 01, 2005, 06:12:32 AM
Strato...is that last pic a panther pink car? (moulon rouge?)
I'd say that's really faded red. I used to have a set of those wheels though!
Troy
What is with the HEMI with dual plugs,,,, those fake?
Quote from: Blown70 on November 01, 2005, 10:00:51 AM
What is with the HEMI with dual plugs,,,, those fake?
They're real.
http://www.thehemi.com/notable.php?id=005
Quote from: Old Moparz on November 01, 2005, 10:42:31 AM
Quote from: Blown70 on November 01, 2005, 10:00:51 AM
What is with the HEMI with dual plugs,,,, those fake?
They're real.
http://www.thehemi.com/notable.php?id=005
WOW THANKS. I did not know this
Quote from: AllBlueRT on November 01, 2005, 10:43:38 AM
What a beauty. Seeing this one makes me want to keep mine.
(http://www.familycar.com/Classics/images/69DodgeChargerDaytona.jpg)
That
is a very cool color, keep yours & paint it.
Quote
That is a very cool color, keep yours & paint it
:iagree:
That's gotta be a custom color. I've never seen a 2nd gen anything close to that.
i had a harley that color. i think they called it burgandy wine. looks grat out in the sun
Mike,
It's not too late to end the auction. lol
What I think is funny is that this 318 clone will most likely go for 30,000.00 and it has no rear window, no 69 side markers, no lower valance, no eyebrow trim around the tail lights, no painted engine bay, no big block. It looks like a nice car but wow. Maybe I should sell my yellow one. ;)
100,000.00 (reserve not met) Ha ha
(http://img54.imageshack.us/img54/17/daytona0ek.jpg) (http://imageshack.us)
End the auction? Hey Mike, I'll trade you a rust free, '68 Charger shell, an almost finished, '71 Scamp, a slightly rough, '68 Coronet ragtop, & lots of parts to with all of them. :icon_smile_big:
My wife's real close to convincing me to start on the superbird clone first since I already have the new six pack motor for it. The problem I'm seeing is the limited number of vendors for bird parts. Nowhere near as many parts available and that hood conversion scares me almost as much as the back glass conversion on the daytona. I won't alter the back glass on the bird so it kind of offsets the work. Decisions, decisions.
If anyone hears of anyone bailing out on a bird clone project, let me know.
Some have asked me to post more...
I had this pic taken at about 50 yards with a zoom lens. I think it looks different at that distance. Maybe a photographer can explain that?
(http://img334.imageshack.us/img334/9392/distancezoom1ta.jpg) (http://imageshack.us)
i was high bidder on mikes car for awhile, now i've been outbid, Rene
Quote from: BigBlockSam on November 01, 2005, 04:17:53 PM
i was high bidder on mikes car for awhile, now i've been outbid, Rene
Not by me. I can't bid, I'm out of money until I sell something(s).
Quote from: AllBlueRT on November 01, 2005, 05:37:06 PM
Quote from: Old Moparz on November 01, 2005, 02:42:00 PM
End the auction? Hey Mike, I'll trade you a rust free, '68 Charger shell, an almost finished, '71 Scamp, a slightly rough, '68 Coronet ragtop, & lots of parts to with all of them. :icon_smile_big:
Bob, did you see the Pinto request,lol? I think yours tops it. Of course if I accepted, my wife would send me with the car to you, and no return address. I think it would work out just fine, I could follow you around and chase 'coons. ;D
You guys are the best. I think I've contacted all 4 of you now explaining everything, not that I needed to, but your opinions are respected. :)
No room at the inn if all the cars come back here, I need space badly. I just bought a new screwdriver & can't close the garage door.
that big nosed daytona is in the Chrysler historical museum so i'm thinkin it's gotta be stock... :icon_smile_big:
here's the same pic from a different Source...
it's that rootbeer color dark bronze,.. Turbine?..
http://community.webshots.com/album/4192700NOrkMUESGR
Here's the pic that I have. If this is the same car, it's bronze and the color on the other pic is off a little.
i dig these aero fords. i got outbid on a project talladaga last yr.
Those would have been cool if they made it to production. :thumbs:
That's got to be where Datsun (Nissan) got their idea on the Z car front end.
actually no... the z was allready done at the point ford finally got busy..
Quote from: Stratocharger on November 02, 2005, 07:21:55 PM
actually no... the z was allready done at the point ford finally got busy..
Hmph! I didn't know that (ok, I didn't care to know that ;) ).
Looks like they had that shape firmly planted by 1967;
http://zhome.com/History/DesignEvolution/DesignEvolutionZ.htm
this is another aero car that i've been chasing but there not as expensive as a superbird. i just missed one last yr on ebay. it was just a shell but it was an original. didn't go for alot of money either. they came with 428 cobra jet motors. look how simaliar the front is to a 69 charger 500
the '70 torino/cyclone twins were areodynamic dogs compared to the proven Daytona,.. the earlier versions '68-'69 were well sorted and went faster,.. i thinks some teams actually returned to them after the '70s were uncompetitive... the only 2 '70s snakes made were hella ugly too...
the older 2nd gen charger still surpassed the newer fords stylisticly.. ;)
Quotethe older 2nd gen charger still surpassed the newer fords stylisticly..
:iagree:
Quote from: BigBlockSam on November 02, 2005, 09:47:08 PM
Quotethe older 2nd gen charger still surpassed the newer fords stylisticly..
:iagree:
You have to hand it to Ford tho, driven to succeed at any cost,(looks). Kind of methodical, like Chrysler back then. They both went all out to win, I think that's cool for the day.
Look at Chubbby, they couldn't handle it, so they weren't even around. :stirthepot:
yeah well at that point GM was gonna release the Luguna and the Grand Am,.. :icon_smile_dead:
I seen some pics of a '69 SS Chevelle on the banking...
maybe i'll google.. it :o ;D ;)
Quote from: Stratocharger on November 03, 2005, 12:12:28 PM
I seen some pics of a '69 SS Chevelle on the banking...
Must have been a tow truck service commercial. :devil: :icon_smile_big:
My first race runnin' a Mope was up against one of those Fairlanes. It had the cobra on it, and I can't remember which motor,429 or 428. I got beat too, never forget that. His dad was a trooper, so he wanted to run out on the freeway. There wasn't that much traffic in western Kansas back in '85. He jumped out in front by a length and stayed there.
The following weekend we put the single plane intake back on, but he didn't want any part of me then. >:(
I could beat all my buddies and their Chebby's, including my dad and his '55. But there was an old Cougar and the car above that were giving the Mopars a run for their money back then. On top of that it was a small town so EVERYBODY found out I lost. :icon_smile_big: OH the good ol' days.
I've always liked the looks of those big Fairlanes, I'm gonna have to read up and learn more about them. Marti Report, Ferd guys have it made.
they look good all dressed up in there racing colors too
A lot of very fast Furds in my town (Barrie Poole and Sandy Elliott's hometown for any of you old time Super Stockers). I've been beat up pretty bad by a couple of them. On the plus side, I've spanked a few of them too.
Quote from: BigBlockSam on November 03, 2005, 01:18:50 PM
they look good all dressed up in there racing colors too
Hey, that Bronze C500 is Troys (hemi68charger) car!
i thought it looked familiar
I can't remember. When Troy had the dog dish wheels, were those rear tires that wide? For some reason I was thinking cookie cutters/ I don't remember them being that big, wish my wife would say that.
Quote from: AllBlueRT on November 04, 2005, 08:01:59 PM
I can't remember. When Troy had the dog dish wheels, were those rear tires that wide? For some reason I was thinking cookie cutters/ I don't remember them being that big, wish my wife would say that.
Looks like they're the same size front & rear to me.
(http://www.geocities.com/hemicharger2002/69C500rr_Web.jpg)
Someone mentioned that back in the 70's some of the air force pilots owned wing cars.
Maybe this was one of them.
http://www.a2zracer.com/page40.html
wrong link but imma gonna leave it anyhow... >:(
Thanks Linkmaster!
Man, that's a beautiful sight! :drool5:
(http://www.a2zracer.com/img344.jpg)
HotRod, that's a cool pic! ;D
how often do you see 2 blue daytona's in a row, quiet, i think there gonna do a mating dance
2 q5 tonas in one met sweet only 3 were built the other one has bullitt caps(its in a mopar mag as well)-MATT
Here's a few pics.
that's the King!
this poor clone is back on ebay, any body else remermber this car? i first saw it at helpg they were selling it and it was worse than it is now. the new owners did some improvements.
http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/1970-daytona-prostreet_W0QQitemZ4593195290QQcategoryZ6199QQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem
this hemi daytona clone is for sale for $135000
http://www.miamikarkrazy.com/details.php?id=1
Awesome work you guys have done.
Just a side note to a comment that was posted a while back, there was more than 3 Q5 Daytona's built.
i tink this is a clone. great color.
I'm not a fan of blue, but that color I like on that Daytona/clone. Mine is going to be R6 w/either a black or white tail, not sure yet.
Thanks for the photo BBS.
Mark
QuoteThanks for the photo BBS.
any time . i just finished my 68 r/t , painted black cause it come black from the factory. i can tell you one think about my daytona. it's not gonna be black , i changed my mind. what a pain in the ass it is to keep this car clean and it was a bitch to paint. definitely not black. Rene
Can anyone inform me on how to take the picture of the blue daytona and change the color via computer so it can help me decide on what color to pick . Larry
Hey what about this????
It's over on the MOPARTS.COM gallery does it qualify?
the " 69 DART BIRD"
(http://www.moparts.org/moparts/picture/bird/bird1.jpg)
(http://www.moparts.org/moparts/picture/bird/bird2.jpg)
I will build one myself one of these days, either a "SUPER" General Lee... or All black with flames Pro-Steeted with Blower.
Later
Chris Reed
Quote from: CHARGER_FAN on November 05, 2005, 02:26:06 PM
Quote from: AllBlueRT on November 04, 2005, 08:01:59 PM
I can't remember. When Troy had the dog dish wheels, were those rear tires that wide? For some reason I was thinking cookie cutters/ I don't remember them being that big, wish my wife would say that.
Looks like they're the same size front & rear to me.
(http://www.geocities.com/hemicharger2002/69C500rr_Web.jpg)
Good eye, they are.. rims are 15x7 Steelies and the tires are 255/60R15's.........
Troy
Quote from: PocketThunder on November 04, 2005, 02:32:21 PM
Quote from: BigBlockSam on November 03, 2005, 01:18:50 PM
they look good all dressed up in there racing colors too
(http://www.dodgecharger.com/forum/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=1955.0;id=8311;image)
Hey, that Bronze C500 is Troys (hemi68charger) car!
Paul,
That T5 C500 is owned by the gentleman from Arkansas ( I always forget his name).. If you look real close, it has a white "500" stripe and wider tires/rims in the rear... When I replace the black '500' stripe on Dana with a white one ( I found out it was originally white from the 3rd owner) it'll be even closer of a match being both are 440 4-speed cars with tan interior. His has the optional woodgrain steering wheel though... His is T5 Copper while Dana's T7 Dark Bronze....
But, if you look real close again, Dana is the C500 samdwiched between the green (Jim McC's) and yellow Superbird on the second row facing the building...
(http://www.dodgecharger.com/forum/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=1955.0;id=8811;image)
Any one know about these? ???
I was interested in that brown daytona and chatted with the owner sometime back.I was thinking of getting a different color daytona .Than the common R4 red one I owned
I built my 'Dayclona' 17 years ago on a loaded every option B5 white interior 69 rt/se sunroof car which I picked up as a beater out of southern california back then. I built everything in steel except for the janek headlight buckets. I also installed a 70 SE black interior.
I sold the car soon after to a fellow in northern BC, Canada and have since lost track of the car.
I'm curious if anyone knows of its location and if it's still a Daytona or if it's been restored back to original?
Thanx for any info.
DonC
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Quote from: Daytona Guy on August 26, 2005, 02:56:13 PM
Quote from: triple_green on August 26, 2005, 02:35:47 PM
What kind of boat is that in the white picture? Chrysler Conqueror?
3X
I made 9, me and my Dad. I do not have them all now, just the Yellow. The boat is a customized G3 Glaspar. A rare collectable boat today.
My two faves are the black and gold one and the red and white one pulling the boat out of the water.
Is it possible that this is your old car? Had this ad for a long time.If only I was bright enough to date these things.
Yes that's it!
I had it advertised in mcg too around 92'
The VIN is XS29L9B225536
;D
OLDIE , BUT A GOODIE THREAD !! WE NEED MORE GOOD TOPICS LIKE THIS ONE !!!
Cool thread!, I found this pic over at the moparts board, it's Daycloners car, I believe it's a clone too?
A car that ugly could only be a clone !!!
Thats the watermellon Daytona is it not? I thought that one was real? :shruggy:
Daytona myth 101
Quote from: PocketThunder on March 12, 2008, 11:43:30 AM
Thats the watermellon Daytona is it not? I thought that one was real? :shruggy:
as real as a 70 daytona can be but yes it was a car back in the day pictured at chrysler ( no one knows where it went )
Quote from: PocketThunder on March 12, 2008, 11:43:30 AM
Thats the watermellon Daytona is it not? I thought that one was real? :shruggy:
Ive found more "MELONS" :lol:
And I googled this one, looks like the original?
OK , they made 500 of them !!!!!!!!!Happy ?? :icon_smile_big:
Quote from: daytonalo on March 12, 2008, 03:09:09 PM
OK , they made 500 of them !!!!!!!!!Happy ?? :icon_smile_big:
daytono, I remember reading a MCG article a few years ago, the said there was 3 , 1970 daytonas made the green one, a purple one and a blue one,sounds like tele-tubbies to me :lol:well the blue one noby knose were its at, the purple one was on ebay for $250K, the green one is suppose to be the only one in mtstery as to who made it, the purple one was a dealer made car supposely,I thought that daycloners car was a tribute to the green one? :shruggy: or is it the real deal :shruggy:
No...real...confirmed...70...daytonas.
Quote from: hotrod98 on March 12, 2008, 10:50:42 PM
No...real...confirmed...70...daytonas.
:iagree: :iagree: :iagree: The Purple one was found to be a hoax. But the guy still insists its real. The green one is the only one that might have been a some what sort of legit car maybe. lol. But they still said it was not factory. But in all honesty. None of the Daytonas are "factory" They were all customs at a shop.
And if you read the next issue of MCG discussing 70 Daytonas, they poked holes in the stories of all three cars. They now firmly stand behind saying that until someone steps forward and can actually prove they have a 70 Daytona, none exist.
Hey we agree !!!!!!!!!!!! :icon_smile_big:
Quote from: hotrod98 on March 12, 2008, 10:50:42 PM
No...real...confirmed...70...daytonas.
Maybe someday?
Anyway the watermelon daytona is a cool lookin custom, I like the crazy paint jobs from back in the day, they were different, everybody today restrores there cars back to original, with plain old boring paintjobs, after awhile the orange and red daytonas all look the same, :icon_smile_dissapprove: boring :Twocents:
Oh crap, look what i started.. :popcrn:
Well, better get back it work on my '72 Hemi Road Runner.. :scratchchin:
Quote from: Zinc on March 13, 2008, 08:49:54 AM
Quote from: hotrod98 on March 12, 2008, 10:50:42 PM
No...real...confirmed...70...daytonas.
Maybe someday?
Lots of us want to believe. But after 39 years, the prospects of factory assembled 1970 Daytonas surfacing are somewhere between slim and none.
Here is something to put the search for these cars into perspective. The conversation of 1970 Daytonas appeared in one of the first ever Winged Warriors newsletters, in 1975. So you can take it to the bank that there have been people on the lookout for these cars since they were five or six years out of the assembly line. That's 33 continuous years of wing car enthusiasts looking for any shred of truth to the rumor.
The green watermelon custom - yes, that one existed within the walls of Chrysler. But we don't know whose car or why or what happened to it. The purple one was clearly dealer assembled, and really has been discounted as a factory produced car. The alleged red Carl Payne car was determined to be a fabricated story with faked documents.
Maybe Shasquatch is driving it ????
Quote from: daytonalo on March 13, 2008, 01:21:19 PM
Maybe Shasquatch is driving it ????
I dont think he would fit with elvis , james dean , marilyn monroe , jimi hendrix and jim morrison already in it !
that water melon car need a green mod top also that would be sweet
Quote from: PocketThunder on March 13, 2008, 10:26:21 AM
Oh crap, look what i started.. :popcrn:
Well, better get back it work on my '72 Hemi Road Runner.. :scratchchin:
Is your 72 hemi runner a 4 speed or an automatic? :icon_smile_big:
Regardless of what people want to call the purple car, it is in a different status than any "clone" Daytona that has been done. Call it what you want, even though it wasn't a Chrysler sanctioned custom job like the rest of the 69 Daytona's it was done VERY EARLY.
Quote from: 69_500 on March 13, 2008, 06:35:28 PM
Regardless of what people want to call the purple car, it is in a different status than any "clone" Daytona that has been done. Call it what you want, even though it wasn't a Chrysler sanctioned custom job like the rest of the 69 Daytona's it was done VERY EARLY.
According to the MCG article the green 70 watermwllon car was probaly done around late 69, and the purple one too, as it was photographed at the 70 daytona 500 race, thats feb,march?what about the rumoured B5 70 Daytona? anybody, also regarding wether it's a clone, non factory built, all the 69 daytonas were assembled in a outside shop, just like the Hurst 68 Hemuii Dart asnd Barracudas! and the Hursts 300's,how about all the custom showcars built by bodyshops for chrysler, I think it dosen't matter who, what.when they were built there all MOPARS, thats all tthats counts :2thumbs:
Here is DUKETONA !!!
Are those Wheelie bars ??? Or just a bad case of weak springs ??
Quote from: daytonalo on March 14, 2008, 01:44:44 AM
Are those Wheelie bars ??? Or just a bad case of weak springs ??
They're ground hog killers!
Duktona looks good. are you gonna put a nose on it? Rene
And mess up those good looks ????
No-just gonna "Pretend" Ol' Bo Duke went to race NASCAR (as in the last Dukes of Hazzard Reunion) and did it with The General (Old School DAYTONA-Style) !
i figure i'll add mine to this thread . :cheers:
Hey Rene....... :nana: :smilielol:
Howdy Bryan! :cheers:
Man this is an old thread. ;D
Here's the latest pic of my clone.
This is as far as I got before having to get back to work on customer's cars.
Hope to be driving it by summer '09.
not a daytona. is it ok its mine. :scratchchin:
I can finally participate in thread! :lol:
Nicely done looks good :2thumbs:.I see my blue hood found a good home.And nice to have met you Mike :yesnod:
It is so beautiful :cryin: :icon_smile_big:
hey here is mine ( red car) not too far along though still gathering money and parts
Quote[not a daytona. is it ok its mine. scratchchin/quote]
hell yea, you got one of the sweetest replica's out there . :yesnod:
it looks like this Aero board is a big success. with all the knowledge here . we've managed to build some nice replicas .
:patriot:
bump
After bump
i found one that's not on this thread. rumor has it he has a nose less daytona too :cheers:
:nana:
We've been out driving around in the wingrunner all morning.
It's our number one driver nowadays since adding the wing. :yesnod:
:boogie:
Quote from: BigBlockSam on May 22, 2009, 01:33:49 PM
i found one that's not on this thread. rumor has it he has a nose less daytona too :cheers:
i heard about that noseless daytona too, but i dont think it will ever get finished
I promise that as soon as this hemi car is back together, I'll paint the fenders, nose and hood for the tona cloner. :yesnod:
Will this be in our lifetime? :popcrn:
Quote from: A383Wing on May 22, 2009, 08:57:56 PM
Will this be in our lifetime? :popcrn:
Well, all I have left to assemble on the GTX is the grille, front bumper, hood scoops, rocker moldings and the interior trim. So I would say yes.
I've been delaying new customer jobs to get the time to finish putting the tona together.
As for the tona, I have to paint, wet sand, buff and install the front sheet metal, nose, decklid and wing. Then I have to install the taillights and all of the interior including recovering the seats with the leather seat covers.
After a final polish, it will be ready to drive. :buff:
Wel, hurry up, get busy, and (http://i273.photobucket.com/albums/jj215/A383Wing/GIF%20Icons/grd.gif)
QuoteI've been delaying new customer jobs to get the time to finish putting the tona together.
As for the tona, I have to paint, wet sand, buff and install the front sheet metal, nose, decklid and wing. Then I have to install the taillights and all of the interior including recovering the seats with the leather seat covers.
MAN! f all that other crap and finish the nose and fenders . see all that fun your having with the runner . it will be multiplied with the tona . trust me
:nana:
I don't think he is listening to us :D
I've been busy buying parts for one of my Barracuda projects. I just scored a good deal on a project that a guy had given up on. The guy had an 87 Dodge pickup that he put a fresh built 440 and fresh built 727 in. He used an MSD billet distributor, an MSD 6A box, offy alum intake, holley 750, MP polished valve covers and had just bought a new battery. He never could get it to run right so he sold it to me for $1000. I tried to drive it home but it kept dying. I finally pulled over and opened the hood and after looking at it for a few minutes, I realized that he had used a fuel log and had one of the ports plumbed directly to the return line. The carb was running out of fuel. I clamped that hose off with a nylon tie and the truck drove perfect. I sold the truck to a friend and kept the driveline for my 70 Barracuda ratrod project. Flat black 70 Barracuda with black wheels, 440, 727, six pack hood, Autometer gauges and no a/c. I'm building it mostly from parts that I've had lying around for years. I'm not going to tell you how much I ended up with in my entire driveline.
Should be a fun low buck project for next year.
Black Daytona clone comes first though. ;D
QuoteBlack Daytona clone comes first though. Grin
:cheers:
Larry, well at least your daytona project is going faster than mine. Well get there. I think that yours and mine will be finished for branson next summer. At least with me retiring from the military I wont have that over my head as to what weekends now I can come out and play.
:icon_smile_big:
:2thumbs:
I'm sure there are more clones out there to update this thread
I still only have the one...
all pics are here -> http://www.hubgarage.com/mygarage/A383Wing
pro street bird clone , sold on ebay for $150000
I totally dig that!!! :coolgleamA:
been awhile guys...body is in primer after any small bits of rust cut out and replaced,craig did all the big bits while she was still stateside,engine is now fully recoed with some tweeking,trans and tailshaft rebuilt...just waiting for my painter to come down and paint her...been a long road guys...really feel for you guys who have finished your clones,my hats off to all of you. mat...included a shot of my wifes 67 valiant ute...she bought it to keep me in a mopar state of mind :D
hers my cloned 440,really just the hp383 she came with
have a really strange question,could you get a daytona without a console ???,if you had a 4 speed,toying with the idea of running without console and just having my pistol grip shifter and boot like the roadrunners and birds have them :shruggy:
Quote from: aussie daytona on August 22, 2010, 03:05:46 AM
have a really strange question,could you get a daytona without a console ???,if you had a 4 speed,toying with the idea of running without console and just having my pistol grip shifter and boot like the roadrunners and birds have them :shruggy:
Sure can.The console was just another option
wow she looks great . i almost put a pic of your car on this thread the other day . asking if anybody knew what happened with your build.
what color you gonna paint it?
people don't realize how difficult it is to build a correct daytona and give up . i'm glad it's coming together . Rene :cheers:
thanks guys,going with hemi orange....i know its a common color in the states but downunder theres only tims real one and a couple of other clones so im going with orange with black wing..yea hah :icon_smile_big:
:2thumbs: :popcrn: sure some great clones and great ta see.never see many real or clones out here on west coast.
love the tubbed super bird,finally one with full quarters and traction control.drakes motors car looks like it should be repainted the same as a part of history,,is car lot still around???? : great rides :popcrn: :2thumbs:
bye
FREE AT LAST,I HAVE A DREAM.THAT WE ALL CAN DRIVE AND BUILD AND ENJOY ALL OF MOTHER MOPARS OFFSPRING AND CUSTOM OR CLONED OR HOTRODDED WE ALL JUST BE ONE BIG HAPPY FAMILY????? FREE SPEACH AND OPINIONS BULL???? OLD THREADS HAVE SOME GREAT INFO AND PICS FOR NEWER MEMBER BEFORE THEY DISAPPEAR FROM SITE???????????????? ?????????????? ????????????????????
here is mine built by Larry Ropper
that's a sweet looking tona :cheers:
Looks like Larry does some great work. :2thumbs:
Quote from: djcarguy on February 13, 2011, 05:11:52 PM
:2thumbs: :popcrn: sure some great clones and great ta see.never see many real or clones out here on west coast.
love the tubbed super bird,finally one with full quarters and traction control.drakes motors car looks like it should be repainted the same as a part of history,,is car lot still around???? : great rides :popcrn: :2thumbs:
bye
FREE AT LAST,I HAVE A DREAM.THAT WE ALL CAN DRIVE AND BUILD AND ENJOY ALL OF MOTHER MOPARS OFFSPRING AND CUSTOM OR CLONED OR HOTRODDED WE ALL JUST BE ONE BIG HAPPY FAMILY????? FREE SPEACH AND OPINIONS BULL???? OLD THREADS HAVE SOME GREAT INFO AND PICS FOR NEWER MEMBER BEFORE THEY DISAPPEAR FROM SITE???????????????? ?????????????? ????????????????????
I like his work!!!
Larry who?? :smilielol:
Here are a couple of mine. 526 FHO Hemi 4 speed Dana60 3.54. My dream car is in my garage. :yesnod:
Just wanted to bump this up. Maybe get some new additions
Thanks that brings back some memories :icon_smile_big:
time for an update guys :cheers:
Quote from: aussie daytona on November 14, 2011, 03:42:07 AM
time for an update guys :cheers:
:drool5: looks good ! keep the pictures coming :yesnod: :popcrn:
For all you guys that have done them. I just picked up the Vega rear window hatch for mine. Does anyone have dimensions or a schematic on how you located where to center the rear window to be correct?
:cheers:
Quote from: 6pkrtse on November 15, 2011, 12:48:55 PM
For all you guys that have done them. I just picked up the Vega rear window hatch for mine. Does anyone have dimensions or a schematic on how you located where to center the rear window to be correct?
In the middle - Make sure the up arrow is up :) I answered this on another post :)
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Dane
GO DUCKS
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Dane
your are gonna get ride of the O on the stripe?
Quote from: Daytona Guy on November 16, 2011, 02:19:31 AM
GO DUCKS
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Dane
Yeh baby
GO DUCK beet the Beavers
been in eugene and springfield oregon 34 years and the ducks suck,,,GO BEAVERS,HAHAHAHA..duck may win depends on how many of the gangster player are in jail that weekend,hahaha... awesum car dane with out the al O ON it.
cute pic with little guy on car but please keep a closer eye on car ,bad example soon all the kids will be cralling up on the cars with shoes on,lol------dj sprfld :popcrn: :popcrn: :drool5: :drool5: :2thumbs: :2thumbs:
Great thread. Keep them coming! :2thumbs:
Hemi daytona clone :icon_smile_big:
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Quote from: nascarxx29 on December 10, 2011, 07:25:27 PM
Hemi daytona clone :icon_smile_big:
(http://i975.photobucket.com/albums/ae240/Wingcars69/cardboard.jpg)
have you fiberglassed and made molds of this Hemi Daytona yet???????? What frame and hemi ya putting in it???? any guess what retail cost for body and frame kit will sell for???????thanks
Quote from: nascarxx29 on December 10, 2011, 07:25:27 PM
Hemi daytona clone :icon_smile_big:
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Nice prototype :2thumbs:
:popcrn: :2thumbs:
well i started going thru this thread and making n list and notes,trying to make a clone count?
WEll anyone interested in a clone registry or clone catolog ? any one with the time and canpouter skill to do a on line site ?//?
Could be all wing clones and maybe what-if custom wing cars site and registry??????????????????
my guess is up to 150 daytona clones,and 25 verts,done or in the works,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,maybe 100 superbirds and 25 birdables
3 to ???? 71 and g series,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,maybe 1-2 dozen off year custom wing cars??? wow its lateZZZZZ and few drinks,,haha well any takers?//? :popcrn: :2thumbs: :2thumbs: :cheers:
Well i was really hoping and sure there would be some interest in a clone registry and or clone catolog?????????
Some where or way to catolog and enjoy the pictures and personel taste and style that people have built into their clone of great cars with wings and becks.
WEll very interested in how many clone are out there and being enjoyed?????????????? :2thumbs: :2thumbs: :popcrn: :popcrn:
Quote from: nascarxx29 on December 10, 2011, 07:25:27 PM
Hemi daytona clone :icon_smile_big:
(http://i975.photobucket.com/albums/ae240/Wingcars69/cardboard.jpg)
Need to use 200 MPH approved racer tape. :2thumbs:.
nearly there
:cheers: :cheers:
I've been seriously thinking about building another wingcar clone. I don't drive my real bird much nowadays but don't want to sell it. I'm worried that I'll have seller's remorse. I have a lot of the stuff to build a bird clone but I've located a good candidate for a Daytona clone.
I want a car that I can jump into and do the power tour or drive to Vegas for MATS. My next clone will have a 6.1 modern hemi and a five speed with large disc brakes It will have modern a/c, modern seats, modern Autometer gauges and probably the 17" magnums from YearOne. This time I'll engineer the drop down headlamp doors like the ones on the HPP nose. I'll install the late model challenger taillights.
Of course, it will have to be all black with black wing.
I like the looks of Mike Musto's car but will go gloss black. Might have to do something creative with the hood. I just want something totally different.
We're finishing up on wingin-it's matching numbers Daytona here at the shopand it really has me wanting to do a Daytona clone again. Now I just need to get Dane to make me another wing.
Quote from: hotrod98 on April 25, 2013, 10:55:37 PM
I've been seriously thinking about building another wingcar clone. I don't drive my real bird much nowadays but don't want to sell it. I'm worried that I'll have seller's remorse. I have a lot of the stuff to build a bird clone but I've located a good candidate for a Daytona clone.
I want a car that I can jump into and do the power tour or drive to Vegas for MATS. My next clone will have a 6.1 modern hemi and a five speed with large disc brakes It will have modern a/c, modern seats, modern Autometer gauges and probably the 17" magnums from YearOne. This time I'll engineer the drop down headlamp doors like the ones on the HPP nose. I'll install the late model challenger taillights.
Of course, it will have to be all black with black wing.
I like the looks of Mike Musto's car but will go gloss black. Might have to do something creative with the hood. I just want something totally different.
We're finishing up on wingin-it's matching numbers Daytona here at the shopand it really has me wanting to do a Daytona clone again. Now I just need to get Dane to make me another wing.
just use lonny's he wont miss it :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl:
Lonny's is a solid wing. I want a hollow aluminum version just like the one that I used on my last clone. I'm going to shorten the fenders and hood like the F&F Daytona.
I bought the 70 Charger so I guess I'm committed to this project. Should be committed for building another clone.
I found a steel repro nose to alter and need the wing more than any other part right now.
I'll post some pics in a new thread in a few days.
Quote from: hotrod98 on April 29, 2013, 04:08:39 PM
Lonny's is a solid wing. I want a hollow aluminum version just like the one that I used on my last clone. I'm going to shorten the fenders and hood like the F&F Daytona.
I bought the 70 Charger so I guess I'm committed to this project. Should be committed for building another clone.
I found a steel repro nose to alter and need the wing more than any other part right now.
I'll post some pics in a new thread in a few days.
I could loan you my wing with the promise from dane it will be replaced when he does another run , on your dime as I think they have gone up since i bought
I might take you up on that. If Dane doesn't make more wings, I might end up buying a Janek f/g wing. I once had a Janek f/g wing that I bought from Howie and it was a very nice piece. It was on my clone until Dane started making the hollow aluminum wings. I really want to stay away from using fiberglass and plastic on this car. I would also like to have a set of steel fender scoops.
I'll probably start selling off a few cars to finance this build. It aint gonna be cheap. ;D
Quote from: hotrod98 on April 29, 2013, 11:58:05 PM
I might take you up on that. If Dane doesn't make more wings, I might end up buying a Janek f/g wing. I once had a Janek f/g wing that I bought from Howie and it was a very nice piece. It was on my clone until Dane started making the hollow aluminum wings. I really want to stay away from using fiberglass and plastic on this car. I would also like to have a set of steel fender scoops.
I'll probably start selling off a few cars to finance this build. It aint gonna be cheap. ;D
i have been working on don to get the steel or aluminum fender scoops going so that is in the possibility
you are welcome to my wing anytime brother
I guess I'm going to have to sell off one of these hemis to get a wing......... ::)
Just thought I'd toss a couple of pics of my car into this thread... ;)
Quote from: Daytona R/T SE on April 30, 2013, 10:20:19 PM
Just thought I'd toss a couple of pics of my car into this thread... ;)
You ain't got that car done yet? It's been painted for what, a week now? :D
Bryan
Quote from: A383Wing on April 30, 2013, 10:43:13 PM
Quote from: Daytona R/T SE on April 30, 2013, 10:20:19 PM
Just thought I'd toss a couple of pics of my car into this thread... ;)
You ain't got that car done yet? It's been painted for what, a week now? :D
Bryan
More parts to paint yet...
I'm going to the shop this Friday to stare at it awhile...
...And take him some $$$ too... ::)
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Quote from: Daytona R/T SE on April 30, 2013, 10:59:52 PM
Quote from: A383Wing on April 30, 2013, 10:43:13 PM
Quote from: Daytona R/T SE on April 30, 2013, 10:20:19 PM
Just thought I'd toss a couple of pics of my car into this thread... ;)
You ain't got that car done yet? It's been painted for what, a week now? :D
Bryan
...I'm going to the shop this Friday to stare at it awhile...
Hell I would too, gorgeous color :drool5: :drool5: :2thumbs:
Quote from: Daytona R/T SE on April 30, 2013, 10:20:19 PM
Just thought I'd toss a couple of pics of my car into this thread... ;)
I love the color...
Quote from: Daytona R/T SE on April 30, 2013, 10:20:19 PM
Just thought I'd toss a couple of pics of my car into this thread... ;)
i think someone accidently cut a hole in your roof . you better check it out
Quote from: moparstuart on May 01, 2013, 03:15:13 PM
Quote from: Daytona R/T SE on April 30, 2013, 10:20:19 PM
Just thought I'd toss a couple of pics of my car into this thread... ;)
i think someone accidently cut a hole in your roof . you better check it out
If I would have been able to find a decent Coronet convertible to start with...
This thing wouldn't even have a roof ! ;)
It's great to see you making progress. I know that has to be a great feeling. You feel like you're in the home stretch once the paint is on.
Quote from: hotrod98 on May 01, 2013, 07:36:36 PM
It's great to see you making progress. I know that has to be a great feeling. You feel like you're in the home stretch once the paint is on.
Thanks, I'll feel better once it's here at home and I'm back in control. :Twocents:
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well anyone got new info an pix and update ????
lots of great reading,pixs an info to inspire some builders.... :cheers: :2thumbs: :2thumbs: merry x mas :cheers:
almost done big inch aluminum rb motor, 4 speed dana 354 nos everything, steel plug, everything correct as a real car but better, superior paint, fit and finish, attention to detail, a true 100% dissassembled, complete 100% nut and bolt re-assembly restored correctly everything from the clutch/brake pedal assembly, ebrake mechanism, steering colum etc etc etc
one in France with mine
Quote from: Daytona Guy on August 26, 2005, 11:33:45 PM
I can't believe that there is not more Daytona clone pics out there than this. I did not know that convertable Daytona had a HEMI. They guy went into a lot of work to make that convertable. WOW.
Some good day after XMAS reading an viewing ?/ ??? :popcrn: :popcrn: :popcrn:
Quote from: ernie on February 28, 2014, 04:32:19 PM
almost done big inch aluminum rb motor, 4 speed dana 354 nos everything, steel plug, everything correct as a real car but better, superior paint, fit and finish, attention to detail, a true 100% dissassembled, complete 100% nut and bolt re-assembly restored correctly everything from the clutch/brake pedal assembly, ebrake mechanism, steering colum etc etc etc
Happy turkey week.heres some lite reading an dream material to keep ya busy. :popcrn: :2thumbs: :cheers:
ok here's one of mine
Quote from: sy440m on November 22, 2017, 06:02:08 PM
ok here's one of mine
Nice. :coolgleamA:
I love small rear tires like that. :D
And if its one of yours, does that mean there are others?
:cheers: :cheers: nice ! looks real tough
The Fin's :drool5:
wow ! what color red is that ?
Primal red - pr6 if i remember correctly.
Found it from mid to late 90´s Mopar color pallet.
Quote from: djcarguy on December 26, 2015, 06:13:16 AM
Quote from: Daytona Guy on August 26, 2005, 11:33:45 PM
I can't believe that there is not more Daytona clone pics out there than this. I did not know that convertable Daytona had a HEMI. They guy went into a lot of work to make that convertable. WOW.
Some good day after XMAS reading an viewing ?/ ??? :popcrn: :popcrn: :popcrn:
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moved post.
Just got it registered and inspected. Three year project. Hope to have 500 miles on it by the time we head to Carlisle.