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Not mine..but is it worth 45k..no pictures.. www.craigslist.com   do to AZ :drool5:

Do you have a link to it? other than just a link to craigslist.com IE the actual listing or what you used for a search in the arizona craigslist?

I did a search in all of the listings for all of the cities in Arizona, and saw nothing for a Charger 500 in any of them.

Here it is.

http://phoenix.craigslist.org/car/568288461.html

For those that don't feel the need to do multiple searches on the multiple pages of craigslist for the state of Arizona

here is a link http://phoenix.craigslist.org/car/568288461.html

JINX!!!! :lol: :lol: :lol:

I emailed the owner and asked him to post pics on this thread.

Would be interesting to find out some of the finer details such as colour combo and type of transmission.
Who's gonna call???

Dave

Quote from: Beep Beep Dave on February 12, 2008, 12:51:27 PM
Would be interesting to find out some of the finer details such as colour combo and type of transmission.
Who's gonna call???

Dave

I'm on it.  So far, all I got was it's dark green, and that the previous owner had it for a long time (that was all the wife knew).  I'll post more details later today or tomorrow.

-Russ

I tried calling for a few days now, hopefully one of these nights I'll get through.

If its a dark green car and in AZ, I'm wondering if its the one that was up for sale a few years back that had the 440 call outs on the hood?  :scratchchin:

 :popcrn:

any updates? I havent gotten a return call yet.

I spoke with the guy last night, and here are the main points:

F8 Green w/ green interior and white stripe
Console auto
65k original miles, with only about 7k miles in the past 24 years (read as, it will need so mechanicals done to make it road worthy)
Original motor, but not sure about tranny (I forgot to ask if it was an 8-3/4 or Dana)
Was repainted 24 years ago, paint it a "5 foot paint job" as he said
Interior very nice, and all chrome very nice
Has some rust bubbles behind rear quarters, and an approx 4" hole in the drivers side floor pan, trunk was repaired, but he said it should probably be replaced.
Car was originally from Mass. area, then to NY, then to AZ for the past 26 years or so.

He will send me some pictures over the weekend, and then I will post those.  I'm still interested in the car (but wish it was a 4-speed), but is $45K in this market a fair price, knowing the above?  If the rust is more extensive than he thinks it is (and it probably is), it might be a little high IMO, being an auto green-on-green car.  Thoughts/Opinions?

I will throw my  :Twocents:  in and say that $35~$45 would be a good price range.  My car is in way worse shape and not a desireable color either and i have it insured for $25 and i'm missing stuff.

Quote from: PocketThunder on February 13, 2008, 05:31:02 PM
I will throw my  :Twocents:  in and say that $35~$45 would be a good price range.  My car is in way worse shape and not a desireable color either and i have it insured for $25 and i'm missing stuff.

i was thinking in this market  35k for a green automatic car with those issues ?

Did you happen to get the VIN information to the car? If not I'm still trying to contact the seller and chit chat to him. Not personally interested in the car, as like a few others I'd prefer a 4 speed car, and not a big fan of F8 green with green interior. F8 green I like, but not a big fan of green guts.

Quote from: 69_500 on February 13, 2008, 05:54:14 PM
Did you happen to get the VIN information to the car? If not I'm still trying to contact the seller and chit chat to him. Not personally interested in the car, as like a few others I'd prefer a 4 speed car, and not a big fan of F8 green with green interior. F8 green I like, but not a big fan of green guts.

Sorry, I didn't get the VIN from him.  I can ask him once I get pictures.  Thanks for the other comments, too, guys.  Yes, I was thinking $35K or maybe $40K, if it's actually in better cosmetic and mechanical shape than he made it sound (but I'm guessing not).

If someone is really interested in buying it, I can probably look at it for you.  It's only about 30-40 miles away.

Quote from: learical1 on February 13, 2008, 06:49:08 PM
If someone is really interested in buying it, I can probably look at it for you.  It's only about 30-40 miles away.

I am, and will pay you for the trip.

 L9B232008 Green on Green Automatic Phoenix AZ  listed July 79.Maybe Learical 1 will chime in that car is in his area.

Quote from: learical1 on February 13, 2008, 06:49:08 PM
If someone is really interested in buying it, I can probably look at it for you.  It's only about 30-40 miles away.

I'd be glad to cover your mileage cost, too (or split it with anyone else), as I'm also interested still.

I'm thinking that 232008 was an F5 green car, and from what has been described the car in question is an F8 green.

Quote from: 69_500 on February 12, 2008, 04:57:54 PM
I tried calling for a few days now, hopefully one of these nights I'll get through.

If its a dark green car and in AZ, I'm wondering if its the one that was up for sale a few years back that had the 440 call outs on the hood?  :scratchchin:

I was wondering if it was the car with the 440 call outs on the hood, and as it turns out it IS. Spoke to the seller for about an hour and a half about the car tonight. Actually was on the phone with him when I was typing my last post in this thread. From what I remember about the car when I saw photo's of it, its a nice car. Nicer than the 500 that I have. Has a few bubbles in the lower quarters, which could be repaired easily. Small dent in the front fender that makes it tight up against the grille on the passenger side. Takes a lot to notice it, but its there (accroding to the seller not me). Can't see it in any photo's I've seen of the car.

I would say from what I've seen and heard about the car $45K is right in the ball park of the number it should be. If you ask me, it would be on the low side just a bit. Same car would have been comanding $57,500 last year easily.

when can he get us some pictures? Id like to fly out and see if it is legit.

Quote from: 69_500 on February 13, 2008, 09:43:01 PM

I was wondering if it was the car with the 440 call outs on the hood, and as it turns out it IS. Spoke to the seller for about an hour and a half about the car tonight. Actually was on the phone with him when I was typing my last post in this thread. From what I remember about the car when I saw photo's of it, its a nice car. Nicer than the 500 that I have. Has a few bubbles in the lower quarters, which could be repaired easily. Small dent in the front fender that makes it tight up against the grille on the passenger side. Takes a lot to notice it, but its there (accroding to the seller not me). Can't see it in any photo's I've seen of the car.

I would say from what I've seen and heard about the car $45K is right in the ball park of the number it should be. If you ask me, it would be on the low side just a bit. Same car would have been comanding $57,500 last year easily.

Thanks for the info.  Good to know someone has some more firsthand info on it.  Well, if the $45K is fair, then it sounds like I need to decide soon, since it seems runninhorn might want it, too.  Even though green-on-green isn't my ideal choice, the price it right if it's as decent as it sounds.

Guys, I just talked to the fellow tonight.  He's also got a '71 and a lot of parts for 3rd gens that I'm going to try to buy from him.  I won't be able to get out to Phoenix until the 30th, but I am in contact with the guy and if he still has it in a couple of weeks, I am definitely looking at it.  I can take pictures because I am DEFINITELY going to Phoenix in a couple weeks.  That being said, I hope it's a nice car and I hope someone on the board gets a hold of it.

Paul

Quote from: 73ChargerSE on February 14, 2008, 01:30:48 AM
Guys, I just talked to the fellow tonight.  He's also got a '71 and a lot of parts for 3rd gens that I'm going to try to buy from him.  I won't be able to get out to Phoenix until the 30th, but I am in contact with the guy and if he still has it in a couple of weeks, I am definitely looking at it.  I can take pictures because I am DEFINITELY going to Phoenix in a couple weeks.  That being said, I hope it's a nice car and I hope someone on the board gets a hold of it.

Paul

Thanks, Paul.  Yes, it would be nice if someone here ends up with both his cars, to give them a good new home.  :yesnod:  Hopefully he'll email me some pictures this weekend as he said he would, and I will post them if he does.  Else, I'll just have to bug him again.  ;)  -Russ

Very nice guy to talk to. I am going to call him back tomorrow night, due to today being Valentines day and all. Don't want to pester a man on a day like this. Seemed like a very nice guy to talk to.

I have a few more questions about the car that I want to ask him, that I didn't get around to asking last night.

Positive note though to those interested in the car. IT IS A LEGIT 500. It is a numbers matching car as far as the engine goes, he hasn't checked the trans though. Has a fender tag. Broadcast sheet could still be in the car, he hasn't ever looked for it. I'm not kidding when I say the car is nicer than the 500 I have body wise. I think that the few mechanical issues were more along the lines of the brakes on the car, rather than any of the actual running geat (motor, trans).

I'll calll him tomorrow; see if I can stop by Saturday with a notebook and the digital camera. 


Let's see, 30 miles each way, thats 3 gallons of gas and about a 6 pack of beer... :smilielol:

Quote from: learical1 on February 14, 2008, 05:57:04 PM
I'll calll him tomorrow; see if I can stop by Saturday with a notebook and the digital camera. 


Let's see, 30 miles each way, thats 3 gallons of gas and about a 6 pack of beer... :smilielol:

Sweet!  Thanks!   :cheers:  I'll be glad to pay for a few 6 packs (of beer that is).  :yesnod:

I'm back from looking at the 500. 

First, a caveat: turns out I vaguely know the owner.  Back when I had all my Mopars, he came by the house.  His brother, fellow board member Moparchris, currently owns my old Hemi 500.  Sometime in the last 25 years, he briefly owned my early VIN V-code SuperBird.  I believe I'm impartial, but ...(he did by me lunch.)

A little bad news.  I get to his house and find out my wife drained the rechargeable battery in my digital camera.  So, I have no pictures.  However, the owner promises to join tomorrow (Sunday) and post some of his own. 

Now, the nitty gritty: It's a good, sound car.  Older repaint, and could use a new coat.  Yes, it does have the hood call-outs and even a 440 call out on the rear stripe.  Car has not been registered since 1992, so I couldn't drive it.  It started up fine, and backed in and out of the garage no problem.  Engine matched, I couldn't see the trans numbers.  The engine had headers, Edelbrock AFB, electronic ignition and Mopar Performance valve covers.  Owner has the correct carb, valve covers and factory exhaust manifolds. 

Interior looked very good.  (BTW, woodgrain shift knob.)  Aftermarket radio in dash, and an extra gauge on the column.  Rear package tray had speaker grilles, and I believe a defroster duct, but I don't remember seeing anything in the trunk, now that I think about it. Speaking of the trunk, there was a color matched front spoiler that the current owner removed from the car after he purchased it.  I kinda liked it and would put it back on.

Now the body.  I could see some rust bubbles behind the left rear wheel.  Overall the body looks straight.  The 'dimple' in the right fender is on the horizontal surface, immediately above the headlights.  I could feel it, but visually, I couldn't see it.  Top of left front fender has something weird going on.  Possibly old body work going bad.  I could see ovals in paint, almost like left-over residue after removing a decal.  Couldn't feel it, but you can see this as you look it over.  Probably the worst area it floor/trunk.  Both had rust(not a lot, maybe 4"x4" in front of driver, a little more in the trunk), both were 'quicky repaired' with fiberglass patches, but not 'correctly repaired' by replacing sheet metal.  Car is sound I'd have no problem driving it, but if you're buying this as an investment, you'd probably want to swap out the engine goodies, replace the radio (he has an incorrect AM 8-track and face plate), fix the rust and repaint.  But, as a driver, it's very presentable and looks good until you start hunting for the defects.  Last thing, the engine compartment was painted black, by a previous owner.  Well done, but incorrect.  Ask me any questions, and I'll try to answer as honestly as possible.

Final statement:  I think it's worth the asking price.

Id figure you have prior knowledge of the car from you area.Was it the club recorded car as this
L9B232008 Green on Green Automatic Phoenix AZ  listed July 79.Maybe Learical 1 will chime in that car is in his area.

OK, so I skipped a few details.
Car was last registered in 1992 in Wisconsin.  Car still has Wisconsin plates.  Previous owned brought it to AZ in 1994-95.

I was planning on taking a picture of the data plate, but camera let me down, and I didn't have a pencil for a rubbing.  Darker green with matching interior, same as my old Hemi 500. 

it's not this 500, but it is this color

http://www.dodgecharger.com/forum/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=26712.0;id=40403


plus, it has black, cop car wheels and dog dishes.

Dave it is NOT 232008.

I did get the fender tag information from the seller the other night when I talked to him.


Learical1, a simple question you might be able to answer having seen the car in person.
Did the car have a 22" radiator? Unlike most cars the fender tag didn't read 26 before the END, and the only ones I've seen that one so far are cars with the 22" radiator. And like those other cars the car didn't have one of the axle packages either.

shoulda paid more attention!  :slap:

I BELIEVE it had the 22" radiator.  It has an 8 3/4 rear.

I was planning on calling him back tonight and asking about that. If so it would be a dream for cruising, because that would mean it would have the 3.23 gears in it, which are much nicer on the highway than what I'm cruising around with.

And when your talking about rust bubbles in the paint are they as bad as the ones that are on my car?

Here is a picture of the lower quarters on my car.

is he firm on the price?

From the way he was talking to me on the phone the othere night, he came accross as being pretty firm on the price. Might work a little, but he definately knows what he has, and how much they are worth. You will not steal this one, although in my opinion the price he is asking is a little lower than what the going rate for the car would be. I would say that he should have no problem at all selling the car for the listed price of $45k.

Was the color changed from what was on the fender tag.As you described the engine compartment being blacked out

The color of the car is F8 green, hasn't been changed from what is on the fender tag. By the way Dave, the car being advertised isn't on the 1979 WW list of known cars. This of course is just a side note.

 210711 75 -79 archives is a starting point.And its on there  :yesnod:

Sorry about the delay, kids wanted on the computer.

Yes, he's pretty firm on the price.  I don't think he really wants to sell it, but he doesn't have much a choice.  He'll probably fill you in if you ask, but I'm not going to discuss his situation on the boards here.  I think it a good deal, not overpriced, but not a 'steal' either. 
The fender tag was black and appeared to be rivited to the inner fender.  Maybe a precaution against theft. 
Previous owner painted the engine compartment black, vehicle definately was green from the factory. 

Max bubble diameter on the 1/4 panel was about an inch, and only one that size.  3-4 others about a half inch. The bubbles dont extend more than 8-12 inches behind the wheel well.  they do NOT come close to the stripe.

So it's a #'s matching car? Manual or auto tranny?

Quote from: runninhorn on February 17, 2008, 12:31:47 AM
So it's a #'s matching car? Manual or auto tranny?

:shruggy:

Quote from: RAC95054 on February 13, 2008, 04:28:01 PM
I spoke with the guy last night, and here are the main points:

F8 Green w/ green interior and white stripe
Console auto
65k original miles, with only about 7k miles in the past 24 years (read as, it will need so mechanicals done to make it road worthy)
Original motor, but not sure about tranny (I forgot to ask if it was an 8-3/4 or Dana)
Was repainted 24 years ago, paint it a "5 foot paint job" as he said
Interior very nice, and all chrome very nice
Has some rust bubbles behind rear quarters, and an approx 4" hole in the drivers side floor pan, trunk was repaired, but he said it should probably be replaced.

thanks so i guess its safe to assume its a #'s matching car?

how many 69 500's were made?

so I take it this car would be a great investment? :icon_smile_cool:

Quote from: runninhorn on February 17, 2008, 12:49:21 AM
thanks so i guess its safe to assume its a #'s matching car?

how many 69 500's were made?

Quote from: runninhorn on February 17, 2008, 12:56:14 AM
so I take it this car would be a great investment? :icon_smile_cool:

Why do you want to buy a 500 - or any Aero car for that matter?  Is it just an investment? 

:rotz:

Quote from: hemigeno on February 17, 2008, 01:27:53 AM

Quote from: runninhorn on February 17, 2008, 12:49:21 AM
thanks so i guess its safe to assume its a #'s matching car?

how many 69 500's were made?

Quote from: runninhorn on February 17, 2008, 12:56:14 AM
so I take it this car would be a great investment? :icon_smile_cool:

Why do you want to buy a 500 - or any Aero car for that matter?  Is it just an investment? 

:rotz:

to enjoy and drive the wheels off and at the same time watch the value go up! :cheers:

Quote from: runninhorn on February 17, 2008, 12:49:21 AM
thanks so i guess its safe to assume its a #'s matching car?

Engine was number matching, I couldn't see the tranny numbers.

Quote from: runninhorn on February 17, 2008, 12:56:14 AM
so I take it this car would be a great investment? :icon_smile_cool:

The vehicle is priced right.  You wouldn't be over paying or underpaying.  If you're looking to flip, you wouldn't make much on the resell.  If you want a driver you're not going to lose money on, this is it.  That said, the plates weren't current so I don't know how well it really drives, how the trany shifts, etc.  It DOES NEED brake work, but it might be as simple as an adjustment of the shoes. 

As far as the whole question of how many were made, I'm still sticking with the figure of 392 until someone locates more than that number.

The car is priced very reasonably if you ask me. Definately a buy at that price considering the condition. It wasn't that long ago that $45K would only get you a project 500 that needed a lot of work.

here are the pix:

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$45K for that !!!!   That's a bargain !!!!!!

i wish i had 40k . i'd buy that car. Rene

Quote from: BigBlockSam on February 18, 2008, 11:23:36 AM
i wish i had 40k . i'd buy that car. Rene

yes seem like a deal , from the early desciptions i figured it was rougher then what the pictures show !!!

Quote from: BigBlockSam on February 18, 2008, 11:23:36 AM
i wish i had 40k . i'd buy that car. Rene

Wish I had my '68 done.. I could probably sell it and have enough for the Daytona I want and buy this one............  It's all about timing some times....

Troy.....

timing is everything in life.  :yesnod:

who or what service do I speak with to verify that the #'s are in fact matching? Anyone know a service or person I can contact for this? Ill buy it if the #'s match.

Quote from: runninhorn on February 18, 2008, 12:28:16 PM
who or what service do I speak with to verify that the #'s are in fact matching? Anyone know a service or person I can contact for this? Ill buy it if the #'s match.

The engine matches!  the exhaust pipe was hot and in the way of seeing the tranny number.  If you can't find anyone 'impartial' to look, call the owner and ok it with him.  I'll go back out and, when the engine's cool, I'll climb back under it and see it I can see tranny numbers.  Might not happen til sunday, though.

I may be buying this car :cheers:

gotta find an apprasier and #'s verifier, if that all checks out, she is mine. :yesnod:

Quote from: runninhorn on February 18, 2008, 02:51:25 PM
I may be buying this car :cheers:

gotta find an apprasier and #'s verifier, if that all checks out, she is mine. :yesnod:

Good luck !!! That'll be real cool if you do..............  I wouldn't be too bent over getting a "numbers matching" car for that kind of dough... It's still a C500...........

Troy

Quote from: hemi68charger on February 18, 2008, 03:11:45 PM

Quote from: runninhorn on February 18, 2008, 02:51:25 PM
I may be buying this car :cheers:

gotta find an apprasier and #'s verifier, if that all checks out, she is mine. :yesnod:

Good luck !!! That'll be real cool if you do..............  I wouldn't be too bent over getting a "numbers matching" car for that kind of dough... It's still a C500...........

Troy

my main concern in a car is to get something I like, that will hold its value and appreciate over the years I keep it while I drive the socks off!! :icon_smile_big:

banks are closed today or I would overnight the deposit today.

Quote from: runninhorn on February 18, 2008, 03:14:21 PM

Quote from: hemi68charger on February 18, 2008, 03:11:45 PM

Quote from: runninhorn on February 18, 2008, 02:51:25 PM
I may be buying this car :cheers:

gotta find an apprasier and #'s verifier, if that all checks out, she is mine. :yesnod:

Good luck !!! That'll be real cool if you do..............  I wouldn't be too bent over getting a "numbers matching" car for that kind of dough... It's still a C500...........

Troy

my main concern in a car is to get something I like, that will hold its value and appreciate over the years I keep it while I drive the socks off!! :icon_smile_big:

banks are closed today or I would overnight the deposit today.

Well, the C500 will definitely hold it's value... If you're looking for something with the rarity-to-value as it's younger winged cousions, it won't.. You'll have to be buying more on personal desire to own one and know what you got... That car looks very complete with minimal detail work for OEM appeal, if that's what you want. ( You can say both OEM and fun in the same sentence,, I do with mine). The interior looks to be in great shape....

I did notice the red numbered "500" script on the taillamp panel though...  Or, is that a figment of my imagination? Any other C500 owners with that?

Quote from: runninhorn on February 18, 2008, 03:14:21 PM

Quote from: hemi68charger on February 18, 2008, 03:11:45 PM

Quote from: runninhorn on February 18, 2008, 02:51:25 PM
I may be buying this car :cheers:

gotta find an apprasier and #'s verifier, if that all checks out, she is mine. :yesnod:

Good luck !!! That'll be real cool if you do..............  I wouldn't be too bent over getting a "numbers matching" car for that kind of dough... It's still a C500...........

Troy

my main concern in a car is to get something I like, that will hold its value and appreciate over the years I keep it while I drive the socks off!! :icon_smile_big:

banks are closed today or I would overnight the deposit today.

I notice via your avatar you're in Dallas.. Maybe we'll cross paths and I'll see ya at the Charger Meet in Boerne.. More often then not, I'm the loan aerocar there.........

Troy

I know this appraiser.  He's more of a Ford guy, but I'd trust his work.  Been called as expert witness on court cases, etc.  Local to the Phoenix area.


       http://arizona.kudzu.com/merchant/15435413.html

His name is Jim Ray. 

Hell you pay my way to Pheonix I'll go over that car with a fine tooth comb for you. :yesnod:

I told you guys it was nicer than the 500 I have, and I think that the price he was asking for the car is in the buyers favor.

If you want someone to verify the numbers, what are you wanting to know? Already ran all the fender tag information, and like learical1 said it is a #'s matching engine. Car would be a great cruiser with the 3.23 rear gear. Unless someone has changed it out, but I doubt they would with that 22" radiator.

Quote from: hemi68charger on February 18, 2008, 03:33:44 PM

Quote from: runninhorn on February 18, 2008, 03:14:21 PM

Quote from: hemi68charger on February 18, 2008, 03:11:45 PM

Quote from: runninhorn on February 18, 2008, 02:51:25 PM
I may be buying this car :cheers:

gotta find an apprasier and #'s verifier, if that all checks out, she is mine. :yesnod:

Good luck !!! That'll be real cool if you do..............  I wouldn't be too bent over getting a "numbers matching" car for that kind of dough... It's still a C500...........

Troy

my main concern in a car is to get something I like, that will hold its value and appreciate over the years I keep it while I drive the socks off!! :icon_smile_big:

banks are closed today or I would overnight the deposit today.

I notice via your avatar you're in Dallas.. Maybe we'll cross paths and I'll see ya at the Charger Meet in Boerne.. More often then not, I'm the loan aerocar there.........

Troy

hey Troy, I used to attend the Dallas Mopar Club meets from time to time in the early 90's. If i get this car, it will be at Boerne this year. :cheers:

Quote from: 69_500 on February 18, 2008, 04:33:37 PM
Hell you pay my way to Pheonix I'll go over that car with a fine tooth comb for you. :yesnod:

I told you guys it was nicer than the 500 I have, and I think that the price he was asking for the car is in the buyers favor.

If you want someone to verify the numbers, what are you wanting to know? Already ran all the fender tag information, and like learical1 said it is a #'s matching engine. Car would be a great cruiser with the 3.23 rear gear. Unless someone has changed it out, but I doubt they would with that 22" radiator.

Well right now I need an appraiser, anyone know one?

How much do you want to go down and look it over for me? Shoot me a price.

Quote from: runninhorn on February 18, 2008, 05:19:29 PM

Quote from: 69_500 on February 18, 2008, 04:33:37 PM
Hell you pay my way to Pheonix I'll go over that car with a fine tooth comb for you. :yesnod:

I told you guys it was nicer than the 500 I have, and I think that the price he was asking for the car is in the buyers favor.

If you want someone to verify the numbers, what are you wanting to know? Already ran all the fender tag information, and like learical1 said it is a #'s matching engine. Car would be a great cruiser with the 3.23 rear gear. Unless someone has changed it out, but I doubt they would with that 22" radiator.

Well right now I need an appraiser, anyone know one?

How much do you want to go down and look it over for me? Shoot me a price.

I dont think you will find any better appraisers for aerocars  then right here, and for a 500 danny is your man !!!!

Not a certified appraiser, but definately someone who follows the 500's. And if you ask my wife I spend WAY too much time following the 500's and Daytona's.

Quote from: 69_500 on February 18, 2008, 05:28:24 PM
Not a certified appraiser, but definately someone who follows the 500's. And if you ask my wife I spend WAY too much time following the 500's and Daytona's.

as far as 500's and number's on 500's I say your the expert and no certified guy could do better danny

The armrest bases are painted black, that docks 3K off the asking price right there. :icon_smile_tongue:

Good lookin' car, I hope it works out for ya. :2thumbs:

Quote from: CHARGER_FAN on February 18, 2008, 05:45:05 PM
The armrest bases are painted black, that docks 3K off the asking price right there. :icon_smile_tongue:

Good lookin' car, I hope it works out for ya. :2thumbs:

yeah but put new one's on and the chrome starts turning bad soon after

Quote from: runninhorn on February 18, 2008, 05:18:29 PM

hey Troy, I used to attend the Dallas Mopar Club meets from time to time in the early 90's. If i get this car, it will be at Boerne this year. :cheers:

Cool.. Me too.. Maybe we've already cross paths... I used to hang out with the Dillingers and Elmzy... I left there in July of '91 and occasionally returned to DFW for shows in the 90's with my white '71 Charger R/T.. That's what most people up there remember me by...

Troy

Quote from: hemi68charger on February 18, 2008, 06:03:44 PM

Quote from: runninhorn on February 18, 2008, 05:18:29 PM

hey Troy, I used to attend the Dallas Mopar Club meets from time to time in the early 90's. If i get this car, it will be at Boerne this year. :cheers:

Cool.. Me too.. Maybe we've already cross paths... I used to hang out with the Dillingers and Elmzy... I left there in July of '91 and occasionally returned to DFW for shows in the 90's with my white '71 Charger R/T.. That's what most people up there remember me by...

Troy

yea, I bet we have. I attended from 1990-1993. Had a butterscotch 74 Dodge Charger SE that I inherited from my grandmother. Attended quite regularly until my brother totalled it one night, almost had that sucker 100% restored.

40k is the # . Danny knows those cars inside and out. don't hire a ford guy to go look at a mopar. rite now it's a buyers market and cash is king . you should be able to make a good deal.  good luck. Rene

Quote from: BigBlockSam on February 18, 2008, 07:18:26 PM
40k is the # . Danny knows those cars inside and out. don't hire a ford guy to go look at a mopar. rite now it's a buyers market and cash is king . you should be able to make a good deal.  good luck. Rene

so is $45k overpaying?

LEARICAL-- what city is the car in again? Doing my mapquest to figure out mileage from there to Dallas, Tx.

Quoteso is $45k overpaying? 

NO, these cars are very rare. usaully if someone is asking an amount you give them your offer . Rene

well, to be honest, the most excited thing about this whole thing is how responsive my father is about it. My mom just died last year at 54 from breast cancer and dad has been down ever since she died since they were planning on retiring 24 dies after she died. He hasnt been the same since. But ever since I showed him this car, talked to him about restoring it, and going and getting it he has been his old self. He helped me restore that 74 Charger SE that we were doing in the early 90's before my brother totalled it. Man im stoked about this car!

i'm sorry about your mom.

every man needs a passion , keeps them young and makes you fell alive . my dad told me that a long time ago . Rene

question--

with it having sit so long, what things would need to be replaced to make it road worthy?

Quote from: learical1 on February 16, 2008, 07:02:05 PM
I'm back from looking at the 500. 

First, a caveat: turns out I vaguely know the owner.  Back when I had all my Mopars, he came by the house.  His brother, fellow board member Moparchris, currently owns my old Hemi 500.  Sometime in the last 25 years, he briefly owned my early VIN V-code SuperBird.  I believe I'm impartial, but ...(he did by me lunch.)

A little bad news.  I get to his house and find out my wife drained the rechargeable battery in my digital camera.  So, I have no pictures.  However, the owner promises to join tomorrow (Sunday) and post some of his own. 

Now, the nitty gritty: It's a good, sound car.  Older repaint, and could use a new coat.  Yes, it does have the hood call-outs and even a 440 call out on the rear stripe.  Car has not been registered since 1992, so I couldn't drive it.  It started up fine, and backed in and out of the garage no problem.  Engine matched, I couldn't see the trans numbers.  The engine had headers, Edelbrock AFB, electronic ignition and Mopar Performance valve covers.  Owner has the correct carb, valve covers and factory exhaust manifolds. 

Interior looked very good.  (BTW, woodgrain shift knob.)  Aftermarket radio in dash, and an extra gauge on the column.  Rear package tray had speaker grilles, and I believe a defroster duct, but I don't remember seeing anything in the trunk, now that I think about it. Speaking of the trunk, there was a color matched front spoiler that the current owner removed from the car after he purchased it.  I kinda liked it and would put it back on.

Now the body.  I could see some rust bubbles behind the left rear wheel.  Overall the body looks straight.  The 'dimple' in the right fender is on the horizontal surface, immediately above the headlights.  I could feel it, but visually, I couldn't see it.  Top of left front fender has something weird going on.  Possibly old body work going bad.  I could see ovals in paint, almost like left-over residue after removing a decal.  Couldn't feel it, but you can see this as you look it over.  Probably the worst area it floor/trunk.  Both had rust(not a lot, maybe 4"x4" in front of driver, a little more in the trunk), both were 'quicky repaired' with fiberglass patches, but not 'correctly repaired' by replacing sheet metal.  Car is sound I'd have no problem driving it, but if you're buying this as an investment, you'd probably want to swap out the engine goodies, replace the radio (he has an incorrect AM 8-track and face plate), fix the rust and repaint.  But, as a driver, it's very presentable and looks good until you start hunting for the defects.  Last thing, the engine compartment was painted black, by a previous owner.  Well done, but incorrect.  Ask me any questions, and I'll try to answer as honestly as possible.

Final statement:  I think it's worth the asking price.

would it drive enough to go up on a flatbed trailer or would you need a winch to get it up on there?

It will drive enough to get it up on a flat bed trailer. It runs and drives, the brakes are the touchy part from what I've been told on the car. It wouldn't take a whole lot to get this car into just a reliable cruiser.

awesome, thanks.

Man I cant even sleep, this week wont end soon enough!

69-500= you can still call him tonight if you want, he is up till 10pm pacific :)

Ill call him tomorrow or shoot him an email as well again.

Quote from: hemi68charger on February 18, 2008, 10:17:39 AM
$45K for that !!!!   That's a bargain !!!!!!

:yesnod: :yesnod: :yesnod: :yesnod: :yesnod:

yes, it will easily drive up onto a flatbed.  the car is in Tempe, home of the Arizona State University Sun Devils, just outside of Phoenix.

it's a bitch typing with one hand while you hold your ceteal bowl with the other.

Sounds good..   :2thumbs:

 :popcrn: Looks like the race is on to see who get's it first  :D

Quote from: The70RT on February 19, 2008, 11:19:13 AM
:popcrn: Looks like the race is on to see who get's it first  :D

who else is after it? I fedex'ed the deposit an hour ago.

Quote from: runninhorn on February 19, 2008, 11:45:27 AM

Quote from: The70RT on February 19, 2008, 11:19:13 AM
:popcrn: Looks like the race is on to see who get's it first  :D

who else is after it? I fedex'ed the deposit an hour ago.

Sweet !!!  Is that Daytona in the avatar yours as well?........ 2 XX29L's would be great...... One's fantastic in it's own right...........

lol, no I wish.

Quote from: runninhorn on February 19, 2008, 11:45:27 AM

Quote from: The70RT on February 19, 2008, 11:19:13 AM
:popcrn: Looks like the race is on to see who get's it first  :D

who else is after it? I fedex'ed the deposit an hour ago.

RAC95054 posted this on the first page...

Thanks for the info.  Good to know someone has some more firsthand info on it.  Well, if the $45K is fair, then it sounds like I need to decide soon, since it seems runninhorn might want it, too.  Even though green-on-green isn't my ideal choice, the price it right if it's as decent as it sounds.

I'm on it.  So far, all I got was it's dark green, and that the previous owner had it for a long time (that was all the wife knew).  I'll post more details later today or tomorrow.

-Russ

Looks like you got it though runnighorn  :2thumbs:

whooops, didnt mean to step on another member's toes, just wanted to get this wrapped up.

Quote from: runninhorn on February 19, 2008, 12:53:56 PM
whooops, didnt mean to step on another member's toes, just wanted to get this wrapped up.

Looks like your wrap had the color greeeeeen.......Ya snooze ya looooose........... I bet that you are gonna be happier than hell with the car. Especially when the prices go back up.

Get that avatar changed!   :icon_smile_cool:

Welcome to the C500 club  :2thumbs:

Paul
in St. Paul

Quote from: PocketThunder on February 19, 2008, 01:43:09 PM
Get that avatar changed!   :icon_smile_cool:

Welcome to the C500 club  :2thumbs:

Paul
in St. Paul

Yeah,, no kidding.. maybe something like this..  Maybe a wee bit smaller...

cONGRATS .  :cheers:  I CAN ONLY DREAM OF OWNING A REAL AERO CAR . THERE GETTING RARER EVRY DAY.  :boogie:

Quote from: BigBlockSam on February 19, 2008, 02:29:55 PM
cONGRATS .  :cheers:  I CAN ONLY DREAM OF OWNING A REAL AERO CAR . THERE GETTING RARER EVRY DAY.  :boogie:

rarer and more expensive

Quote from: runninhorn on February 19, 2008, 12:53:56 PM
whooops, didnt mean to step on another member's toes, just wanted to get this wrapped up.

Yes, I spent the weekend debating this one, as it is a really nice car, but I guess I decided I would stay commited to a 4-speed car (Ready top sell yet, Troy?  ;D).  I owe learical1 at least a 12-pack of beer for making the trip to inspect the car (how would you like me to pay??).   :cheers: 

Congrats on the purchase, and from all I've read in this post, it sounds like it will have a great new home, and offer some healing therapy at teh same time (I truely sorry to hear about your mother... I lost my dad when I pretty you, so it's difficult, I know).  Keep us posted on any work you do on it, and post more pictures, too!

Quote from: runninhorn on February 19, 2008, 11:45:27 AM
who else is after it? I fedex'ed the deposit an hour ago.

you can fed-ex the beer to:

Bruce Lear
6952 W Potter Dr
Glendale AZ 85308

:cheers:

Quote from: learical1 on February 19, 2008, 03:33:35 PM

Quote from: runninhorn on February 19, 2008, 11:45:27 AM
who else is after it? I fedex'ed the deposit an hour ago.

you can fed-ex the beer to:

Bruce Lear
6952 W Potter Dr
Glendale AZ 85308

:cheers:

isnt there a federal interstate transport law ????

Quote from: moparstuart on February 19, 2008, 03:38:08 PM

Quote from: learical1 on February 19, 2008, 03:33:35 PM

Quote from: runninhorn on February 19, 2008, 11:45:27 AM
who else is after it? I fedex'ed the deposit an hour ago.

you can fed-ex the beer to:

Bruce Lear
6952 W Potter Dr
Glendale AZ 85308

:cheers:

  isnt there a federal interstate transport law ????

Yeah, I'll just send a check and instructions.  ;)

Quote from: RAC95054 on February 19, 2008, 03:41:41 PM

Quote from: moparstuart on February 19, 2008, 03:38:08 PM

Quote from: learical1 on February 19, 2008, 03:33:35 PM

Quote from: runninhorn on February 19, 2008, 11:45:27 AM
who else is after it? I fedex'ed the deposit an hour ago.

you can fed-ex the beer to:

Bruce Lear
6952 W Potter Dr
Glendale AZ 85308

:cheers:

  isnt there a federal interstate transport law ????

Yeah, I'll just send a check and instructions.  ;)

It too bad there weren't two 500's, but you can't both buy the car.   :pity:

Quote from: learical1 on February 19, 2008, 03:49:19 PM

It too bad there weren't two 500's, but you can't both buy the car.   :pity:

That would have been nice.  I really appreciate you going over there, Bruce.  That was a big help in me deciding.  I'm glad runninghorn will give it a nice home.  Hopefully "my" car will turn up one day soon.

-Russ

Well there are 3 500s in that same area of AZ right? Oh thats right but the other 2 aren't for sale. And only one of them is a 4 speed and its definately not for sale.

I'll be giving the seller a call tonight on the car, to see which weekend is best. Ideally this one coming up as the high in Indiana is only going to be 25 on Saturday and I'm sure its warmer in AZ.  :lol:

Quote from: 69_500 on February 19, 2008, 03:56:51 PM
Well there are 3 500s in that same area of AZ right? Oh thats right but the other 2 aren't for sale. And only one of them is a 4 speed and its definately not for sale.

I'll be giving the seller a call tonight on the car, to see which weekend is best. Ideally this one coming up as the high in Indiana is only going to be 25 on Saturday and I'm sure its warmer in AZ.  :lol:

There is other C500's for sale in that area??  Can you be so kind as to share?   :P

Quote from: RAC95054 on February 19, 2008, 04:01:46 PM

Quote from: 69_500 on February 19, 2008, 03:56:51 PM
Well there are 3 500s in that same area of AZ right? Oh thats right but the other 2 aren't for sale. And only one of them is a 4 speed and its definately not for sale.

There is other C500's for sale in that area??  Can you be so kind as to share?   :P

The brother of the owner of the 500 for sale has my old Hemi 4-speed 500, and it's not for sale.  There might be another one in the Greater Phoenix area, but not that I'm aware of.  30+ years ago, there were 2 others, but I have no idea of they're still here.

There is 3 500's in that same area of town. However there is only 1 of them that is for sale. Oddly enough all 3 of them are Green cars. 2 440 cars, and 1 HEMI car. Like learical1 said though the HEMI car is most definately not for sale. The other 440 car was a major project car 2-3 years back and I don't think a whole lot has changed on it since then.

Ah.  OK.  Thanks for clarifying.  Of course, please do let me know if any do pop up for sale (the 4-speed, mainly).

No problem. Only downside though is that i'd love to own a 4 speed car as well. But then again talking my wife into allowing me to have 2 cars isn't that likely unless its a really good deal. I'll keep ya informed though if I come accross any for sale.

runninhorn, let me know when you're coming to town, maybe we can get the Perry Bros. to bring my old Hemi 500 over, I'll bring the delapidated photo albums and we can have a good ol' time!

Quote from: 69_500 on February 19, 2008, 04:41:28 PM
No problem. Only downside though is that i'd love to own a 4 speed car as well. But then again talking my wife into allowing me to have 2 cars isn't that likely unless its a really good deal. I'll keep ya informed though if I come accross any for sale.

Thank you!  I really appreciate it.  :cheers:

sure thing learical. Im debating on driving out to get it or not. $900 white glove enclosed transport Tempe to Dallas door to door, so I may just have the truck pick it up. But ill let you know if I come out, definately want to get together.


So when I get this car back, I need to make a list of things to replace/fix/go thru to make it road worthy to drive around town. Ill start the list, please add to it so I dont miss anything--

plugs
wires
distributor
gas tank
fuel lines
brakes

check the tranny, it drove in and out of the garage fine, but it never had to upshift.  It could be fine, but if it were me, I'd drain it, check the filter for particulates, and hopefully button it back up refill and cruise.

Tires looked good, not much to check with the electronic ignition, idled fine, didn't overheat while sitting, but you might what to replace the thermostat, just as a precaution, and a fresh fill of antifreeze.  that's all that comes to mind offhand.

Good ideas--

tires
thermostat
antifreeze
tranny

Flush the brake lines, and add new fluid.  Check them for rust, especially if it has sat a long time.  Check the pads, too.  Make sure the belts and hoses have no age cracks.  Might want to lube all the front suspension, too.

Quote from: runninhorn on February 19, 2008, 06:05:33 PM
sure thing learical. Im debating on driving out to get it or not. $900 white glove enclosed transport Tempe to Dallas door to door...

Another Aero Car is coming to the Metroplex!  :cheers: Congrats!  :2thumbs:

Allen

Quote from: xs29j8Bullitt on February 19, 2008, 07:21:46 PM

Quote from: runninhorn on February 19, 2008, 06:05:33 PM
sure thing learical. Im debating on driving out to get it or not. $900 white glove enclosed transport Tempe to Dallas door to door...

Another Aero Car is coming to the Metroplex!  :cheers: Congrats!  :2thumbs:

Allen

yep! Coppell to be exact!

Quote from: runninhorn on February 19, 2008, 07:22:17 PM

Quote from: xs29j8Bullitt on February 19, 2008, 07:21:46 PM

Quote from: runninhorn on February 19, 2008, 06:05:33 PM
sure thing learical. Im debating on driving out to get it or not. $900 white glove enclosed transport Tempe to Dallas door to door...

Another Aero Car is coming to the Metroplex!  :cheers: Congrats!  :2thumbs:

Allen

yep! Coppell to be exact!

I'm near Alliance...

I'll need a more exact location Allen so that one of these days when your not paying attention I can come down and "borrow" the Daytona.  :nana:

Quote from: 69_500 on February 19, 2008, 07:43:00 PM
I'll need a more exact location Allen so that one of these days when your not paying attention I can come down and "borrow" the Daytona.  :nana:

As hard as it to move with the cobbled together front suspension, that would be quite a chore!  :eek2:

Quote from: runninhorn on February 19, 2008, 07:22:17 PM

Quote from: xs29j8Bullitt on February 19, 2008, 07:21:46 PM

Quote from: runninhorn on February 19, 2008, 06:05:33 PM
sure thing learical. Im debating on driving out to get it or not. $900 white glove enclosed transport Tempe to Dallas door to door...

Another Aero Car is coming to the Metroplex!  :cheers: Congrats!  :2thumbs:

Allen

yep! Coppell to be exact!

Well well well... Look at that Avatar...  :icon_smile_big:    Also, knew I liked you for another reason... From your AIM, you're a longhorn? I'm from the class of '97....  A little late start in life for me and college.....  :o

Troy

Quote from: hemi68charger on February 19, 2008, 09:06:31 PM

Quote from: runninhorn on February 19, 2008, 07:22:17 PM

Quote from: xs29j8Bullitt on February 19, 2008, 07:21:46 PM

Quote from: runninhorn on February 19, 2008, 06:05:33 PM
sure thing learical. Im debating on driving out to get it or not. $900 white glove enclosed transport Tempe to Dallas door to door...

Another Aero Car is coming to the Metroplex!  :cheers: Congrats!  :2thumbs:

Allen

yep! Coppell to be exact!

Well well well... Look at that Avatar...  :icon_smile_big:    Also, knew I liked you for another reason... From your AIM, you're a longhorn? I'm from the class of '97....  A little late start in life for me and college.....  :o

Troy

hey! Texas Ex, class of '02! Hook 'Em!

Hmmm owner informed me he only has a bill of sale. The title still shows the previous owner in new york state from 1981. How is my bank going to look at this? What does the owner need to do?

Quote from: runninhorn on February 20, 2008, 12:40:27 PM
Hmmm owner informed me he only has a bill of sale. The title still shows the previous owner in new york state from 1981. How is my bank going to look at this? What does the owner need to do?

Not 100% sure, but if it's a clear titled and signed by the previous owner, it should be ok.... Anyone?  Allen?

Quote from: runninhorn on February 20, 2008, 12:40:27 PM
Hmmm owner informed me he only has a bill of sale. The title still shows the previous owner in new york state from 1981. How is my bank going to look at this? What does the owner need to do?

I would sure like to have a title. It had one to begain with so where did it go?

Would you get hit with a "failure to title/register" penalty?  The cleanest way to do it would be to require the seller to obtain a clear title in his name, and then transfer that title to you at the time of sale.  That would delay the works for a while waiting on those fine, efficient folks at the state DMV (they're all the same, I'm sure  :smilielol: ) to get the title back to the seller. 

:shruggy:

You should be able to go back and do a title search and see who had it in their name last. If I was spending that kinda money I would want a title for my sake and legality's that could arise. If nothing else contact the party that had it before the seller did and see what he has to say  :Twocents:

Quote from: runninhorn on February 20, 2008, 12:40:27 PM
Hmmm owner informed me he only has a bill of sale. The title still shows the previous owner in new york state from 1981. How is my bank going to look at this? What does the owner need to do?

I'm assuming from this comment that the owner still has the actual title in his possession and he just never re-titled it in his name?

Are you getting a Bill of Sale with current owners name and signature on it AND the title to the car, only having the previous owner's name and it signed by him?  Does the State car who you bought it from as long as the title is clear and is signed in the "sellers" box by the title's listed owner?

Troy

Hey Runninhorn.  Congrats on purchasing my brothers car.  I tried to stay far away from these posts as I didn't want to get caught up in the deal.  My brother didn't even tell me about this, but I guess that's a story for another day.  I was with him when he purchased it and we used my trailer to bring it home.  The car runs fine to get on a trailer and with a weekends worth of work you should be driving it.  From what I noticed driving it it should only need brake work mostly and then normal items on a car that's basically just been sitting.  I have one favor to ask you since you have bought the car.
I never even had a chance to check for the broadcast sheet.  Since my C500 also has a green interior I was hoping against hope that maybe my broadcast sheet would be in his interior.  Do I have your permission to look before the car goes away.  I will only touch mine if it is there.  If it is not I will not touch anything that does not pertain to my car.
As for the title situation.  He has a signed title from the person he bouhgt it from, he just never put it in his name.  It has a clean signed Wisc. title that you should be able to present to the MVD in your state.

Quote from: moparchris on February 20, 2008, 02:16:28 PM
Hey Runninhorn.  Congrats on purchasing my brothers car.  I tried to stay far away from these posts as I didn't want to get caught up in the deal.  My brother didn't even tell me about this, but I guess that's a story for another day.  I was with him when he purchased it and we used my trailer to bring it home.  The car runs fine to get on a trailer and with a weekends worth of work you should be driving it.  From what I noticed driving it it should only need brake work mostly and then normal items on a car that's basically just been sitting.  I have one favor to ask you since you have bought the car.
I never even had a chance to check for the broadcast sheet.  Since my C500 also has a green interior I was hoping against hope that maybe my broadcast sheet would be in his interior.  Do I have your permission to look before the car goes away.  I will only touch mine if it is there.  If it is not I will not touch anything that does not pertain to my car.
As for the title situation.  He has a signed title from the person he bouhgt it from, he just never put it in his name.  It has a clean signed Wisc. title that you should be able to present to the MVD in your state.

Wow Chris,,, an Aero-family.............  :2thumbs:   Well, one down...........................

Quote from: The70RT on February 20, 2008, 01:32:14 PM

Quote from: runninhorn on February 20, 2008, 12:40:27 PM
Hmmm owner informed me he only has a bill of sale. The title still shows the previous owner in new york state from 1981. How is my bank going to look at this? What does the owner need to do?

I would sure like to have a title. It had one to begain with so where did it go?

it has a title, just was never transfered to Mr. Perry back in 1981.

Quote from: hemigeno on February 20, 2008, 01:55:01 PM

Quote from: runninhorn on February 20, 2008, 12:40:27 PM
Hmmm owner informed me he only has a bill of sale. The title still shows the previous owner in new york state from 1981. How is my bank going to look at this? What does the owner need to do?

I'm assuming from this comment that the owner still has the actual title in his possession and he just never re-titled it in his name?

thats exactly what it is. Mr Perry said since he wasnt planning on driving it much (wanted to restore it some more) he never got around to transfering the title into his name there in Arizona.

Quote from: moparchris on February 20, 2008, 02:16:28 PM
Hey Runninhorn.  Congrats on purchasing my brothers car.  I tried to stay far away from these posts as I didn't want to get caught up in the deal.  My brother didn't even tell me about this, but I guess that's a story for another day.  I was with him when he purchased it and we used my trailer to bring it home.  The car runs fine to get on a trailer and with a weekends worth of work you should be driving it.  From what I noticed driving it it should only need brake work mostly and then normal items on a car that's basically just been sitting.  I have one favor to ask you since you have bought the car.
I never even had a chance to check for the broadcast sheet.  Since my C500 also has a green interior I was hoping against hope that maybe my broadcast sheet would be in his interior.  Do I have your permission to look before the car goes away.  I will only touch mine if it is there.  If it is not I will not touch anything that does not pertain to my car.
As for the title situation.  He has a signed title from the person he bouhgt it from, he just never put it in his name.  It has a clean signed Wisc. title that you should be able to present to the MVD in your state.

Yes you have permission! Im so stoked a family member is a member here as well!!!

Tell him im traveling today and tomorrow but will check my voicemail regularly. BJ the appraiser is meeting him today at 1:30 to do the thorough appraisal.

Chris, i apologize if I got the story wrong, I wasnt writing it down when he was talking to me so it appears it was Wisconsin, not New York.

This is a cool thread. :icon_smile_big:

I'm happy for ya, Man. :cheers:

So Chris, did you HEMI 500 have a broadcast sheet in it at all? Or just one to the wrong car?

Wow!  How did I miss this saga?  I knew something was going down when this baby got to be 5 pages long!  damn I love those hood callouts :thumbs:

Congrats runninhorn!  Please take the time to register your new ride as well :cheers:

Chris
www.1969chargerregistry.com

just an update for Thursday--

Appraiser went and appraised the car for my bank/lender and it passed flawlessly with ease. My lender called this morning and said that the current owner has to put it in his name (the title) since they will only issue funds to the person listed on the title. So ive asked the owner to please start the process to get it put in his name and that id help in any expenses he incurred if needed so we can get this wrapped up. So it appears I cant get it this weekend, but next. Oh well, Im about to hop a plane, my best friend of 20 years was just hit by a driver not paying attention on his motorcycle and is in ICU on life support. Any of you members out there that ride, PLEASE wear a helmet!

First off, Let me say how sorry I am about whats happened to your friend and I hope all goes well and he's on the fast track to a full recovery. I love motorcycles but gave'em up a few years back due to how dangerous it is out there. Next, I want to congratulate you on what has to be an awesome find for you. I know you and I PM'd each other on my car and I'm very happy you found what you really wanted.

Funny thing is, Troy (the other one) asked me if I had seen this thread about the 500. I checked out the early postings and thought it was a scam, I didn't believe someone would be selling a 500 for 45k. BOY WAS I WRONG  :errr:  I would have loved to have a 500. Still, I'm thrilled with my '69 and it's in resto now. Goes to show it was meant for you.

Best of luck with your new ride you lucky dog you.... :2thumbs:

Sweet man! Congrats! I've been watching your hunt for a car and its cool that you got one! :2thumbs:

yea, I mailed the payment to the appraiser, now the appraisal goes to the bank, and the bank says the old owner's check is ready to be cut and sent, just waiting on him to change the title over to his name so they can send the $$$$$. Getting so close!!!

I am very sorry to hear about your friend. I hope he will come through o.k.  I also rode bikes for several years and decided one day that I was lucky having some close calls but nothing so much as a scratch, and that was good enough for me.
Thanks for giving me the o.k. to look for my missing broadcast sheet.  I will be gentle with your car.  I'm still kinda bummed that my brother is losing the car and we never got to have fun with our cars together, but I guess that's the way it goes.  If you are going to come into town let me know and I will meet you at my brothers house to say hello.

thanks Chris. From the looks of things, it will be next weekend when I come in. My lender is trying to get in touch with your brother to finalize the paperwork and as soon as they get that settled with the title, we are good to go. Im shooting to be out there next saturday.

Congrats on getting close to finalizing the deal. Enjoy the car. Its definately a nice ride.

Quote from: moparchris on February 20, 2008, 02:16:28 PM
Hey Runninhorn.  Congrats on purchasing my brothers car.  I tried to stay far away from these posts as I didn't want to get caught up in the deal.  My brother didn't even tell me about this, but I guess that's a story for another day.  I was with him when he purchased it and we used my trailer to bring it home.  The car runs fine to get on a trailer and with a weekends worth of work you should be driving it.  From what I noticed driving it it should only need brake work mostly and then normal items on a car that's basically just been sitting.  I have one favor to ask you since you have bought the car.
I never even had a chance to check for the broadcast sheet.  Since my C500 also has a green interior I was hoping against hope that maybe my broadcast sheet would be in his interior.  Do I have your permission to look before the car goes away.  I will only touch mine if it is there.  If it is not I will not touch anything that does not pertain to my car.
As for the title situation.  He has a signed title from the person he bouhgt it from, he just never put it in his name.  It has a clean signed Wisc. title that you should be able to present to the MVD in your state.

Chris, please tell your brother Im in no hurry, I think he feels im pressuring him and Im not, please let him know if he needs to wait until next week to get the title transfered then so be it.

Quote from: learical1 on February 19, 2008, 04:13:01 PM

Quote from: RAC95054 on February 19, 2008, 04:01:46 PM

Quote from: 69_500 on February 19, 2008, 03:56:51 PM
Well there are 3 500s in that same area of AZ right? Oh thats right but the other 2 aren't for sale. And only one of them is a 4 speed and its definately not for sale.

There is other C500's for sale in that area??  Can you be so kind as to share?   :P

The brother of the owner of the 500 for sale has my old Hemi 4-speed 500, and it's not for sale.  There might be another one in the Greater Phoenix area, but not that I'm aware of.  30+ years ago, there were 2 others, but I have no idea of they're still here.

received an e-mail from the owner of #3. He lives in Mesa, AZ and he says the car will be ready in early summer.

Quote from: learical1 on February 26, 2008, 05:16:23 PM

Quote from: learical1 on February 19, 2008, 04:13:01 PM

Quote from: RAC95054 on February 19, 2008, 04:01:46 PM

Quote from: 69_500 on February 19, 2008, 03:56:51 PM
Well there are 3 500s in that same area of AZ right? Oh thats right but the other 2 aren't for sale. And only one of them is a 4 speed and its definately not for sale.

There is other C500's for sale in that area??  Can you be so kind as to share?   :P

The brother of the owner of the 500 for sale has my old Hemi 4-speed 500, and it's not for sale.  There might be another one in the Greater Phoenix area, but not that I'm aware of.  30+ years ago, there were 2 others, but I have no idea of they're still here.

received an e-mail from the owner of #3. He lives in Mesa, AZ and he says the car will be ready in early summer.

how much will he be asking?

Quote from: runninhorn on February 26, 2008, 05:18:03 PM

Quote from: learical1 on February 26, 2008, 05:16:23 PM

Quote from: learical1 on February 19, 2008, 04:13:01 PM

Quote from: RAC95054 on February 19, 2008, 04:01:46 PM

Quote from: 69_500 on February 19, 2008, 03:56:51 PM
Well there are 3 500s in that same area of AZ right? Oh thats right but the other 2 aren't for sale. And only one of them is a 4 speed and its definately not for sale.

There is other C500's for sale in that area??  Can you be so kind as to share?   :P

From the e-mail I got, I believe the 500 will be ready for HIM to DRIVE, not to sell.i
The brother of the owner of the 500 for sale has my old Hemi 4-speed 500, and it's not for sale.  There might be another one in the Greater Phoenix area, but not that I'm aware of.  30+ years ago, there were 2 others, but I have no idea of they're still here.

received an e-mail from the owner of #3. He lives in Mesa, AZ and he says the car will be ready in early summer.

how much will he be asking?

I think he's keeping it.

You thinking of trying to buy all of the 500's that come up for sale from now on then runninghorn? JK

Quote from: 69_500 on February 26, 2008, 05:51:07 PM
You thinking of trying to buy all of the 500's that come up for sale from now on then runninghorn? JK

haha, a car collector/guru/die-hard has to start somewhere! :icon_smile_cool:

How much longer until you take possession of the one you just bought? Next weekend? This weekend?

Quote from: 69_500 on February 26, 2008, 08:36:39 PM
How much longer until you take possession of the one you just bought? Next weekend? This weekend?

had to jump thru 10 hoops, jumped thru last one this morning. Papers are being overnighted tonight, signing, and his money is going to him in 2 days so im going to hopefully get it picked up this weekend, if not, first of next.

Did anyone locate a broadcast sheet in the car as of yet? I know that his brother was going to look for his sheet in it, but did he find any sheet at all in the car?

When you do get the car I have a few questions about a few smaller items on the car.

Quote from: 69_500 on February 26, 2008, 08:56:51 PM
Did anyone locate a broadcast sheet in the car as of yet? I know that his brother was going to look for his sheet in it, but did he find any sheet at all in the car?

When you do get the car I have a few questions about a few smaller items on the car.

Ya know, im not sure. Ill definately be looking when it gets here. Gonna take it to the shop to get it road ready when it gets to dallas. Ill let you know so I can answer any questions.

Quote from: learical1 on February 26, 2008, 05:43:08 PM

I think he's keeping it.

That's too bad.  I was hoping there was smoe potential there for me to get my C500.  :'(

Quote from: RAC95054 on February 26, 2008, 09:34:32 PM

Quote from: learical1 on February 26, 2008, 05:43:08 PM

I think he's keeping it.

That's too bad.  I was hoping there was smoe potential there for me to get my C500.  :'(

owner hangs out at Moparts, rarely over here.   :rotz:  since he didn't post anything here, I'm assuming he prefers to remain a-nona-moose!  But he found me from this thread.     

congratulations ( runninhorn ) :cheers: looks a awesome deal  :drool5: ....  ..would love to see more pictures ,,sometime  :popcrn:

Ah I wish the owner of the other 500 in that area would chime in on this board. I looked at that car when it was for sale out in California several years back. Was a fairly well optioned car, including cruise control.

Quote from: 69_500 on February 27, 2008, 04:44:15 PM
Ah I wish the owner of the other 500 in that area would chime in on this board. I looked at that car when it was for sale out in California several years back. Was a fairly well optioned car, including cruise control.

He said he bought it out of Illinois. :shruggy:

 :scratchchin: Makes me wonder if its another car then the one I'm thinking of.

What's going on guys. I figure I might as well join the conversation here as well. I have to admit that this site rocks! You guys are really knowledgable. The car I'm restoring is a 1969 Dodge Charger 500 with a 440 Magnum/Hemi 4 Speed/Super Trak Pak/Dana 60. It was originally a Mr. Norms Car from what I've been told. I will put some pics up in the next few months. I wish it was a hemi but at least I know that it is one of less than hundred 440/4speed Cars. I belive there were about 72 or so if I remember right. Congrats on purchasing the Mean Green Machine. She is a beauty. How many of you guys live out here in Arizona? Also, is anyone on here a member of Moparsunlimitedofaz.com? It's  a local mopar car clup that put's on some good events a few times a year. In April they have a huge car show with drag racing also all day long. Anyways, it's great to be here.

Quote from: charger500az on February 28, 2008, 01:46:11 AM
What's going on guys. I figure I might as well join the conversation here as well. I have to admit that this site rocks! You guys are really knowledgable. The car I'm restoring is a 1969 Dodge Charger 500 with a 440 Magnum/Hemi 4 Speed/Super Trak Pak/Dana 60. It was originally a Mr. Norms Car from what I've been told. I will put some pics up in the next few months. I wish it was a hemi but at least I know that it is one of less than hundred 440/4speed Cars. I belive there were about 72 or so if I remember right. Congrats on purchasing the Mean Green Machine. She is a beauty. How many of you guys live out here in Arizona? Also, is anyone on here a member of Moparsunlimitedofaz.com? It's  a local mopar car clup that put's on some good events a few times a year. In April they have a huge car show with drag racing also all day long. Anyways, it's great to be here.

Welcome to the board and more specifically, the Aero Cars section........... Look forward in seeing pics of your car... I also have a 440 4-speed C500.. It's T7 bronze... You can see pics of it via my website at the bottom of my reply......... Last I heard from numbers unless someone, like maybe Danny says otherwise, is 26 for 440 4-speed equipped cars............

Russ.... Where are you?.. lol

Again, welcome........ This is a great site with many cool and very knowledgeable people..

Cheers,
Troy

PS: I would suggest starting a new thread to introduce yourself....

Quote from: hemi68charger on February 28, 2008, 08:11:28 AM
Welcome to the board and more specifically, the Aero Cars section........... Look forward in seeing pics of your car... I also have a 440 4-speed C500.. It's T7 bronze... You can see pics of it via my website at the bottom of my reply......... Last I heard from numbers unless someone, like maybe Danny says otherwise, is 26 for 440 4-speed equipped cars............

Welcome to the forum Charger500AZ...

Although I would like to believe the "26" production number for 440 4Spd C500s... its seems almost that many are on the forum or known by forum members... 72 sounds more likely.

Allen
( Yet another 440 4 Speed Charger 500 owner... )

Welcome aboard C500 brother.  I believe you took numerous photos of my hemi C500 at the Bill Luke car show a couple of years ago.  If you have any questions finishing your car, be sure to ask first.  Everyone here is more than happy to help.  Let's see some pictures! :cheers:

Quote from: xs29j8Bullitt on February 28, 2008, 12:15:58 PM

Quote from: hemi68charger on February 28, 2008, 08:11:28 AM
Welcome to the board and more specifically, the Aero Cars section........... Look forward in seeing pics of your car... I also have a 440 4-speed C500.. It's T7 bronze... You can see pics of it via my website at the bottom of my reply......... Last I heard from numbers unless someone, like maybe Danny says otherwise, is 26 for 440 4-speed equipped cars............

Welcome to the forum Charger500AZ...

Although I would like to believe the "26" production number for 440 4Spd C500s... its seems almost that many are on the forum or known by forum members... 72 sounds more likely.

Allen
( Yet another 440 4 Speed Charger 500 owner... )

I agree with ya...............  There seems to be more... Galen's list way back when with the 392 # listed 26 in an issue of the Winged Warriors newsletter and as ou already know, "His" list of the 580+ has never been publlished.. It may not even contain a breakdown in drivetrain though........

Not positive on the total number of 4 speed 440 powered cars, as far as total production #'s go. My list only reads like this though 26 4 speed 440 cars that I've located, and then you have to also take into consideration that I have 89 440 powered 500's that I do not have full information on. Some of those cars were 4 speeds when I looked at them, but I don't have them marked as confirmed 4 speed cars due to either not having a fender tag or a broadcast sheet to confirm the addition of the 4 speed hump and such.

Oh and side note. Welcome to the site. Charger500az.

Quote from: hemi68charger on February 28, 2008, 08:11:28 AM

Quote from: charger500az on February 28, 2008, 01:46:11 AM
The car I'm restoring is a 1969 Dodge Charger 500 with a 440 Magnum/Hemi 4 Speed/Super Trak Pak/Dana 60. It was originally a Mr. Norms Car from what I've been told. I will put some pics up in the next few months.

Russ.... Where are you?.. lol

Good one, Troy!   :lol:   Welcome to the site, Charger500az.  Troy's comment about me relates to the fact that I *really* want a C500 4-speed.  So it must be time to get my word in that if you are ever thinking of selling, please let me know.  I'll be more than happy to give it a nice new home.  :icon_smile_big:  -Russ

Thanks for making me feel welcome guys. To Moparchris, yes that was me that took alot of pics of your beautiful hemi 500. What a small world. Lol. Anyways, I will have to work on the pics in the coming months. I had an old computer and digital camera crash not too long ago and that has a ton of pics on it. I have some but I will post them in the coming months. It has been a soap opera with things
that have gone wrong over the last few years. She will be ready by Summer if not sooner. I would love to hang out and meet some of you guys. Music, Mopars, Beer and Women are all mans best friends.
How many of you guys are going to the Mopars at the Strip? Also, to mopar chris and others in Arizona, are you guys going to Speed World in April for the Mopar Show and Drags?

Speed World is out in my neck of the woods, (arrowhead), but I don't have anything interesting to drive there.  I'd only go to see the cars, and maybe bump into people I used to hang with 25+ years ago.  That is, of course, if the wife lets me.  :hah:

I'm still thining of heading out to the Mopars at the Strip. This would be the 4th straight show if I go, but as of yet haven't confirmed anything. All depends on if I get permission to video or take pictures of anything.

well I guess my bank is too slow for the owner. I was written an email in a tone I cant believe was written and given demands or else. I will not be talked to that way, and just two days away from the bank cutting the check, im backing out of this deal. So any of you guys that want the car, go get it, b/c you dont talk to me that way that the seller talked to me-period. ill go find another one. I bend over backwards to be leniant and understanding and you talk to me that way? I dont think so. Whoever the other member here was that wanted it, go get it, its yours, im not paying that man a dime of my money.

I just lost $350 on an appraisal, $500 on a plane ticket for this weekend, and deposit on the truck/trailer I was renting to go pick it up, but you dont get that attitude with me-period.

Quote from: runninhorn on March 05, 2008, 04:39:03 PM
well I guess my bank is too slow for the owner. I was written an email in a tone I cant believe was written and given demands or else. I will not be talked to that way, and just two days away from the bank cutting the check, im backing out of this deal. So any of you guys that want the car, go get it, b/c you dont talk to me that way that the seller talked to me-period. ill go find another one. I bend over backwards to be leniant and understanding and you talk to me that way? I dont think so. Whoever the other member here was that wanted it, go get it, its yours, im not paying that man a dime of my money.

I just lost $350 on an appraisal, $500 on a plane ticket for this weekend, and deposit on the truck/trailer I was renting to go pick it up, but you dont get that attitude with me-period.

to each his own , it's a rare car if you really wanted it , you would work it out !   :Twocents:

Ah so its back on the market then.  :scratchchin: Might know someone else interested.

Quote from: runninhorn on March 05, 2008, 04:39:03 PM
well I guess my bank is too slow for the owner. I was written an email in a tone I cant believe was written and given demands or else. I will not be talked to that way, and just two days away from the bank cutting the check, im backing out of this deal. So any of you guys that want the car, go get it, b/c you dont talk to me that way that the seller talked to me-period. ill go find another one. I bend over backwards to be leniant and understanding and you talk to me that way? I dont think so. Whoever the other member here was that wanted it, go get it, its yours, im not paying that man a dime of my money.

I just lost $350 on an appraisal, $500 on a plane ticket for this weekend, and deposit on the truck/trailer I was renting to go pick it up, but you dont get that attitude with me-period.

I'm sorry to hear things went so sour.  Maybe the seller was being that way on purpose so you would back out of the deal??  :shruggy:  Just a thought, in case anyone else told him he could get more for it elsewhere.  BTW, I was the other guy that was initially interested in the car too, but decided to wait on a 4-speed car afterall (hopefully some day it will happen).  Since you do have so much invested in it, he must have said some nasty things, because I'd first try to straighten it out before throwing away the money.   :Twocents:

That sucks!  Well, put your daytona picture back in your avatar  :icon_smile_big:

I really didn't want to see this happen because I didn't want to be dragged into this deal, but the owner wasn't being rude or demanding other than expecting someone who is buying a car to have the money.  Gee, what a shocker that is.  Does that sum it up for you?  My brother and I have been involved in with these cars for almost 30 years and many people in the Phoenix area know us and neither one of us have ever treated anyone rudely in a business deal.  And I'll be damned if this guy is going to tarnish what we have done over these years.  If you are going to smear my brother you are smearing me also.  Maybe I'm a little over protective but that's the way it goes.

  I kinda figured there was another side of the story !

Quote from: runninhorn on February 26, 2008, 08:37:47 PM

Quote from: 69_500 on February 26, 2008, 08:36:39 PM
How much longer until you take possession of the one you just bought? Next weekend? This weekend?

had to jump thru 10 hoops, jumped thru last one this morning. Papers are being overnighted tonight, signing, and his money is going to him in 2 days so im going to hopefully get it picked up this weekend, if not, first of next.

well I'm sorry the deal went south on you both - buyer and seller - like that,.. but the time line seems more then a little off,.. all the deals I've ever made with vehicle purchases were cash in hand meaning i was first in line with the green... and in most every case there were folks lined up behind me...
I can't even imagine a seller waiting two weeks for payment on a desireable collectors car and the car still being there...

Quote from: moparstuart on March 06, 2008, 12:54:37 PM
I kinda figured there was another side of the story !

There almost always is - however, I don't want this (or any other) thread to devolve into a mudslinging contest.  I have my own opinions, and I'm sure others can form their own opinions without my assistance.  Let's leave it at that...

Fair warning:  any further personal-oriented comments will be removed from this thread. 

Quote from: runninhorn on March 05, 2008, 04:39:03 PM
well I guess my bank is too slow for the owner. I was written an email in a tone I cant believe was written and given demands or else. I will not be talked to that way, and just two days away from the bank cutting the check, im backing out of this deal. So any of you guys that want the car, go get it, b/c you dont talk to me that way that the seller talked to me-period. ill go find another one. I bend over backwards to be leniant and understanding and you talk to me that way? I dont think so. Whoever the other member here was that wanted it, go get it, its yours, im not paying that man a dime of my money.

I just lost $350 on an appraisal, $500 on a plane ticket for this weekend, and deposit on the truck/trailer I was renting to go pick it up, but you dont get that attitude with me-period.

Sorry to hear that...............  :(

Hi guys. Just wanted to take a second to give you a tiny bit more info to be used while you form your own opinions on this matter.

http://www.dfwstangs.net/forums/showthread.php?t=352433&page=1&pp=50


Please feel free to peruse our board, possibly run a search on this guys username so that you will be able to formulate a more exacting e-pinion. There is quite a bit of history behind him that would be beneficial, if not flat out entertaining for you all.

It's never a good thing when members names are tarnished, for whatever reason, so.... Enjoy.  :cheers:

Quote from: PocketThunder on March 06, 2008, 10:33:32 AM
That sucks!  Well, put your daytona picture back in your avatar  :icon_smile_big:

Going back in time, my gut feeling told me when his avatar changed to the 500 before it was bought and paid for, was that somehow, some way, for some reason, the deal would not go through.   No particular reason other than bad karma, I guess.     I've seen it before where there's a whole lot of discussion and high-fiving before the car gets home.  Trouble is, more often than not, something goes wrong and the car never gets home.   

 :scratchchin: Wow

Quote from: MorePwr on March 06, 2008, 02:21:56 PM

Sorry to hear this Runninghorn. big waste of your time and money. members too, didn't someone here on this board have to go take pics for the seller?

Yes, Bruce was kind enough to go over and look the car over and give some great feedback.  :cheers: for Bruce!

Quote from: moparchris on March 06, 2008, 12:11:42 PM
I really didn't want to see this happen because I didn't want to be dragged into this deal, but the owner wasn't being rude or demanding other than expecting someone who is buying a car to have the money.  Gee, what a shocker that is.  Does that sum it up for you?  My brother and I have been involved in with these cars for almost 30 years and many people in the Phoenix area know us and neither one of us have ever treated anyone rudely in a business deal.  And I'll be damned if this guy is going to tarnish what we have done over these years.  If you are going to smear my brother you are smearing me also.  Maybe I'm a little over protective but that's the way it goes.

I was wondering how it could have gone so sour.  When I spoke to your brother about the car (I think I was the first one), he was nothing but pleasant to me.  Sorry the deal went bad.  :-(

-Russ

I wish the third gentleman who also has a 500 would post some more over here sounds like he has a very interesting car. There is always room for another 500 owner to post on this site isn't there?  :icon_smile_cool:

Quote from: Fox466 on March 06, 2008, 03:02:20 PM
Hi guys. Just wanted to take a second to give you a tiny bit more info to be used while you form your own opinions on this matter.

http://www.dfwstangs.net/forums/showthread.php?t=352433&page=1&pp=50


Please feel free to peruse our board, possibly run a search on this guys username so that you will be able to formulate a more exacting e-pinion. There is quite a bit of history behind him that would be beneficial, if not flat out entertaining for you all.

It's never a good thing when members names are tarnished, for whatever reason, so.... Enjoy.  :cheers:

Crikies!  You guys are rough over there!

Quote from: Just 6T9_CHGR.... on March 06, 2008, 08:42:01 PM
Crikies!  You guys are rough over there!

Laughably enough, we are known to eat our young on our site, but that does help to weed out the riff raff. Some of whom finds their way to various dodgecharger.com boards, be that as it may.

As for who I am, it matters not. I'm just another faceless e-individual. What matters is that, in my opinion (fwiw), you have a member in your midst who will shamelessly slander an innocent in his pursuit of making himself appear to be something that he is not. The sellers of the car in question have evidently been engaged in this activity for quite some time and I for one would hate to see all those years of honest activity be at risk after a 'less than honorable' person slanders them. I will likely not post on your board beyond these token five or so posts (as I bleed Ford Blue and simply don't understand what went wrong with you guys  :nana:) but thought that I would try and share a bit of knowledge that you may have not otherwise have been privy too.

Moderators: I hope that I have not stepped on any toes or violated any of your policies. Again, I am only trying to give you all the benefit of knowing what you may have otherwise not known. lastly, if you search our board you will find a great deal more information on this screen name that will back up my assertions.

Hey guys. I haven't gone anywhere but I've been busy with the car and all. I will post alot more as it gets closer to summer and I have more time. This site is one of the best
mopar sites on the internet. I may sell my car someday but you guys have to at least be patient while I enjoy it for a while. One thing I may consider down the road is possilbly
selling it with a partial trade for a 68 Charger. I love the cirlcle lights! :icon_smile_big: I will keep you guys posted. All of us out here in Arizona will have to get together someday
and share storys as we drool over each others cars. That is for the ones who still have cars but old pictures and storys are cool as well.

IIRC, he works for an auto transportation outfit so why was he on that board looking for someone to haul it?  :shruggy:

I smell something.  :fart2:

As you can see, I've carved out the unpleasantries from this thread. 

I'll unlock it, but if things spiral downward again, the lock will return...

Quote from: moparchris on March 06, 2008, 12:11:42 PM
I really didn't want to see this happen because I didn't want to be dragged into this deal, but the owner wasn't being rude or demanding other than expecting someone who is buying a car to have the money.  Gee, what a shocker that is.  Does that sum it up for you?  My brother and I have been involved in with these cars for almost 30 years and many people in the Phoenix area know us and neither one of us have ever treated anyone rudely in a business deal.  And I'll be damned if this guy is going to tarnish what we have done over these years.  If you are going to smear my brother you are smearing me also.  Maybe I'm a little over protective but that's the way it goes.

If you would like, I will post the EMAIL he emailed me--if you want me to, I will to prove my side of the story.

Quote from: runninhorn on March 07, 2008, 10:14:47 AM

Quote from: moparchris on March 06, 2008, 12:11:42 PM
I really didn't want to see this happen because I didn't want to be dragged into this deal, but the owner wasn't being rude or demanding other than expecting someone who is buying a car to have the money.  Gee, what a shocker that is.  Does that sum it up for you?  My brother and I have been involved in with these cars for almost 30 years and many people in the Phoenix area know us and neither one of us have ever treated anyone rudely in a business deal.  And I'll be damned if this guy is going to tarnish what we have done over these years.  If you are going to smear my brother you are smearing me also.  Maybe I'm a little over protective but that's the way it goes.

If you would like, I will post the EMAIL he emailed me--if you want me to, I will to prove my side of the story.

Go for it. It seems they really had it in for you on the rustang site. At least you will have your proof here, not that anyone is is saying your credibility is on the line like over there.  :2thumbs:

Quote from: hemigeno on March 07, 2008, 10:07:11 AM
As you can see, I've carved out the unpleasantries from this thread. 

I'll unlock it, but if things spiral downward again, the lock will return...

You threw me for a loop there Gene..  i was reading along and clicked on page 8 and it was gone... :o   :lol:

EDIT: delete.. PT

Honestly, I do not think correspondence betwen the buyer and seller belongs out on the open forum (PM's?  That's your decision, but it serves no purpose at this point).

The only thing that can come from further posts along that line is more  :poke: :boxing_smiley: :2guns: :argue: :horse:

and finally

:dancinglock:


Did I make a mistake by unlocking this thread?  Please don't prove me wrong...

P.S.  Sorry to pull the rug out from under ya like that Paul! :P

10-4  :2thumbs:

So, RAC95054, are you going to pursue this car and swap in a 5-speed like all the other cool :coolgleamA: C500 owners are doing?  :scratchchin:

Quote from: PocketThunder on March 07, 2008, 10:35:46 AM
10-4  :2thumbs:

So, RAC95054, are you going to pursue this car and swap in a 5-speed like all the other cool :coolgleamA: C500 owners are doing?  :scratchchin:

dont do that to that nice original car !

Quote from: moparstuart on March 07, 2008, 10:45:30 AM

Quote from: PocketThunder on March 07, 2008, 10:35:46 AM
10-4  :2thumbs:

So, RAC95054, are you going to pursue this car and swap in a 5-speed like all the other cool :coolgleamA: C500 owners are doing?  :scratchchin:

dont do that to that nice original car !

C'mon Stu, its reversable!   :drive:

Quote from: PocketThunder on March 07, 2008, 10:51:38 AM

Quote from: moparstuart on March 07, 2008, 10:45:30 AM

Quote from: PocketThunder on March 07, 2008, 10:35:46 AM
10-4  :2thumbs:

So, RAC95054, are you going to pursue this car and swap in a 5-speed like all the other cool :coolgleamA: C500 owners are doing?  :scratchchin:

dont do that to that nice original car !

C'mon Stu, its reversable!   :drive:

everythings reversable  but if it has a nice virgin no rust floor   just stop  :smilielol: :smilielol: :smilielol: :slap:

Quotedont do that to that nice original car ! 

that car beat the odds , by making this long without someone messing with it . don't you be the one to . mess it up. Rene

Might know someone else who would be interested in making a play on that car. And this person I can assure wouldn't put in a 5 speed. Probably wouldn't change a single thing on the car, other than taking it back to original.

Man I go to bed one night, and then get on here during lunch the next day and find out the thread has not only had post, but they have been since deleted, and locked, then opened again. I miss too much when I'm at work.

Quote from: 69_500 on March 07, 2008, 11:25:18 AM
Might know someone else who would be interested in making a play on that car. And this person I can assure wouldn't put in a 5 speed. Probably wouldn't change a single thing on the car, other than taking it back to original.

Man I go to bed one night, and then get on here during lunch the next day and find out the thread has not only had post, but they have been since deleted, and locked, then opened again. I miss too much when I'm at work.

your better off with out the drama !

Ah a little drama never hurt anyone. Its when its gets really juicy thats when it gets to be a problem.

Quote from: 69_500 on March 07, 2008, 11:42:44 AM
Ah a little drama never hurt anyone. Its when its gets really juicy thats when it gets to be a problem.

So when are you putting a 5-speed in your C500?

When am I putting a 5 speed in my 500? UMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMM




NEVER.

Quote from: 69_500 on March 07, 2008, 11:25:18 AM
Might know someone else who would be interested in making a play on that car. And this person I can assure wouldn't put in a 5 speed. Probably wouldn't change a single thing on the car, other than taking it back to original.

Man I go to bed one night, and then get on here during lunch the next day and find out the thread has not only had post, but they have been since deleted, and locked, then opened again. I miss too much when I'm at work.

You didn't miss much except the fox guy got told what he deserved :D

Quote from: moparstuart on March 07, 2008, 10:45:30 AM

Quote from: PocketThunder on March 07, 2008, 10:35:46 AM
10-4  :2thumbs:

So, RAC95054, are you going to pursue this car and swap in a 5-speed like all the other cool :coolgleamA: C500 owners are doing?  :scratchchin:

dont do that to that nice original car !

The thought has crossed my mind, but I'm stil waiting for Troy to hand me the keys to Dana.  :icon_smile_big:  Actually, if the one in question here were at least a color combo I really, really liked, I'd seriously consider it.  Then again, for this money, it is still a good deal in my book.

Quote from: RAC95054 on March 07, 2008, 02:46:30 PM

Quote from: moparstuart on March 07, 2008, 10:45:30 AM

Quote from: PocketThunder on March 07, 2008, 10:35:46 AM
10-4  :2thumbs:

So, RAC95054, are you going to pursue this car and swap in a 5-speed like all the other cool :coolgleamA: C500 owners are doing?  :scratchchin:

dont do that to that nice original car !

The thought has crossed my mind, but I'm still waiting for Troy to hand me the keys to Dana.  :icon_smile_big:  Actually, if the one in question here were at least a color combo I really, really liked, I'd seriously consider it.  Then again, for this money, it is still a good deal in my book.

And if I did convert it (which would be pretty unlikely since I prefer originality) it, it would be to a true Mopar 18-spline 4-speed (since I have an extra sitting in my garage now).

Quote from: Just 6T9_CHGR.... on March 06, 2008, 08:42:01 PM

Quote from: Fox466 on March 06, 2008, 03:02:20 PM
Hi guys. Just wanted to take a second to give you a tiny bit more info to be used while you form your own opinions on this matter...

Crikies!  You guys are rough over there!

:iagree:


Bummer though, I wanted to see pics of the wife. :D

Lol! Someone did a bit of reading over there...

Guys, I posted "Fords rule" as a joke, nothing more. If you took it as anything more you read far too deeply into it. I didn't come on your board to start trouble, and still am not here to do so. I was just trying to give you a heads up. I've exchanged PMs with one of your main mods and he's cool with it, understood the joke for what it was, and said welcome to the board. The only other "Telling me what I deserved" was by an e warrior that is evidently well known as an instigator around here, so take that for what it is.

Guess I'll go climb back into my Cummins now...  :icon_smile_wink:

Some of you guys have some nice rides, btw

Oh really so we have an instigater on here now? And your not? Especially when you called us all Dodge bitches and then flipped us the bird last night. I think this does need locked since Runninhorn was pretty much told it was best to hush on what the seller told him. So I guess we will really never know especially when those two are actually THE ONLY ONES that really know that.... untill then it is hear say. I don't know either party personally. Unfortunatly I did see all what was said last night  :rotz:

The70RT,

While it's true Fox466 "started" it, the real problem began when some folks objected to an initial statement intended as a joke.  That is one of the big problems with the internet - the tone of each remark is rarely conveyed exactly as the writer intends it to be received.  When people fly off the deep end and react without at least a pretty clear understanding of what is being said, in what tone and by whom, problems often result.  That was the case last night.

If dads_69 and others knew Fox466 well enough to understand the comment he made was in jest, it would not have been as big a deal.  While I do not know the man, I had a pretty good idea he was joking so the remark didn't bother me at all.  Trash talking (by either side) on the internet is worthless.  If it were me, I wouldn't have tried to stir the pot by posting a polarizing remark like that as a complete unknown/newbie.  It obviously gave more than one person the complete wrong idea about him.  More than likely, Fox466 wouldn't handle the situation the same way if presented the opportunity for a Mulligan - and I think that would include responding in-kind to the physical threats made by Mark. 

Let's give Fox466 the benefit of the doubt and try to act civil, shall we?   :grouphug:



[brings a tear to your eye, duddnit?]

I understand. Thanks Geno.

Quote from: The70RT on March 07, 2008, 08:31:54 PM
I understand. Thanks Geno.

:cheers:

Quote from: BigBlockSam on March 07, 2008, 11:14:20 AM

Quote  dont do that to that nice original car ! 

that car beat the odds , by making this long without someone messing with it . don't you be the one to . mess it up. Rene

     :cheers:

,

Quote from: dads_69 on March 07, 2008, 09:49:25 PM
all I have to say now unfortunately is I'm through w/this web site. Go to hell.

Mark

:'(

Quoteall I have to say now unfortunately is I'm through w/this web site. Go to hell.Mark

don't do it Bro. you have some friends here.  :rotz:

Come on Mark. Plenty of us get pissed when others talk smack about us.  All in all I think it is that time of year again when people are getting a major case of CABIN FEVER.   Don't let this get to you. I was one that took his comment in a harsh way also.

It's time for a beer and a good night on the computer with your family..   Umm, I mean us...   :cheers:

WOW..... :icon_smile_blackeye: This got me in the mood for UFC Full Contact.  :popcrn:  I'll be right back.........................................Ok, I'm back. :icon_smile_big: Oh, I went to HELL :flame: It sucks there, I saw a guy driving a Demon. That was as good as it gets. I choose Heven :angel: I think someone has been driving a Chevy and got that "Great GM feeling".  Friends don't let friends drive Brand X. Anyone that says Fords Rule has to be joking, cause.....well..... it's a Ford.... What Muscle car did they make? It must have been the Maverick. I just want to get along...........No I really want to see the two of these guys go toe to toe :angel: Just Kiddin :icon_smile_big: Ok I'm going to go drive my EDSEL and......... See he had to be Joking.....Fords SUCK....


I like Coffee.......
Z

So,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,   Mopars At The Strip is coming up soon...  How many of you guys will be there?? I am heading out there on the 18th... 


PS.    I like BEER..........     :cheers:

Quote from: Steve P. on March 07, 2008, 10:47:40 PM
Plenty of us get pissed when others talk smack about us

Me for example. STAY!!

I was just trying to lighten the mood.  I really apprciate someone that can tell it like it is. That is really rare these days.  Mark, I don't know you but I already like you. You got your "Man Card" in my opinion, don't let someone get to you like that... If he likes Fords you should feel sorry for him.  :icon_smile_big:

Stay :2thumbs:


Us Mopar guys have to Stick together.  Not too close.

Z

Come on Mark. I don't have my fire suit yet.......... :smilielol:

So Danny, how about that 5-speed?   :popcrn:

Nope not a chance of putting a 5 speed in my car. Maybe one of these days when I find a factory 4 speed car that is missing its origional engine, and tranny. Maybe then. But then again I highly doubt that too. :cheers:

Quote from: 69_500 on March 08, 2008, 09:02:52 AM
Nope not a chance of putting a 5 speed in my car. Maybe one of these days when I find a factory 4 speed car that is missing its origional engine, and tranny. Maybe then. But then again I highly doubt that too. :cheers:

I guess that I am one of the  :hah:"uncool" (non-5Speed) C500 owners too... would leave mine a 4 Speed even if I had not found the number's matching transmission.  If I were doing a clone, it might go the 5 Speed route...

UCXS :coolgleamA:

What about the 4 speed from Passon that 4th gear is an overdrive. It Uses your case but just changes the gears.



Z

I don't own one but I have to chime in with my  :Twocents: and agree that if I had a clone I'd do a 5 speed but if I had a real anything I'd not very to far from stock.  Some cars are just for fun and some have earned the right to be treated as the significant works of art and automotive history that they are.

Man, this thread has been quite the...

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Mark, you're wound a little too tight some days, 'ol buddy. ;) I missed the whole deleted debacle that night, but I got the jist of it. What Gene said is true, things get taken way out of context too often on internet forums...and combined the the 'keyboard commando' syndrome, things can go to hell rather quickly. It's happened to all of us at one time or another, so you're not alone.
Brush it off & live to gab another day. :cheers:

Quote from: Steve P. on March 07, 2008, 10:51:46 PM
So,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,   Mopars At The Strip is coming up soon...  How many of you guys will be there??

ME! :wave:  This will be my first time, definitely looking forward to seeing all those BITCHIN' MOPARS!! :coolgleamA:

See to me an ideal 500 to add to the garage would be a non numbers matching 4 speed car that is missing both the engine and tranny, oh and the fender tag too. I want one that there is no way to prove anything on the car other than the fact that its a 500. For that all I need is the VIN. Then on something like that I might think of going with an over drive unit, or a 5 speed, but not if it had any of the above items.
Oh who am I kidding, I'd take another 500 in any combination if I could afford one.

Quotehave earned the right to be treated as the significant works of art and automotive history that they are. 

:yesnod: ah-- yep

For the west coast guys and especially Mopar Owners in Arizona, the Mopar 4th Annual Hemi Shootout Car show and Drag Races is on Saturday, March, 21st.  It seems to be alot earlier this year than usual but I'm going to be there for sure. Let's hear a role call of any people from here going as we get closer. It's only two weeks away. I was hoping to have my 500 done but it's going to be around another month or two. Oh well. There is always next year and there are so many car shows. This one is a a very good one however!

Quote from: Steve P. on March 07, 2008, 10:51:46 PM
So,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,   Mopars At The Strip is coming up soon...  How many of you guys will be there?? I am heading out there on the 18th... 


PS.    I like BEER..........     :cheers:

I will be heading out in two weeks, from today. Cruising down from Idaho, stopping in Salt Lake, Meeting up with the Mopower Cruise to VEGAS BABY. Thursday night piggin out on the Seafood Buffet with all the Mopar Nuts that did the Cruise (at the CANNERY). Hope to see some of you guys there. I will be the one going back for more Lobster.  :eek2:
I will smell like Lobster and Butter for the next couple of days for sure... :drool5:

I have been sleeping on the couch for the last week. My wife was tired of the Car talk in my sleep.....I said OH Baby Yah..... Nice wheels.....It was over for me..... Glad I got the nicer couch this winter.

See you guys there.

Z

Quote from: xs29j8Bullitt on March 08, 2008, 10:28:07 AM

Quote from: 69_500 on March 08, 2008, 09:02:52 AM
Nope not a chance of putting a 5 speed in my car. Maybe one of these days when I find a factory 4 speed car that is missing its origional engine, and tranny. Maybe then. But then again I highly doubt that too. :cheers:

I guess that I am one of the  :hah:"uncool" (non-5Speed) C500 owners too... would leave mine a 4 Speed even if I had not found the number's matching transmission.  If I were doing a clone, it might go the 5 Speed route...

UCXS :coolgleamA:

I would consider doing the Passon OD 4-speed in the Daytona.   It's  pretty buzzy with 3.54 rear gear and 14" tires.   I'd swap the gearset into the original case. 

FUNNY thing about this car...  It was for sale a Feb '07 in Arizona on Craigslist for $18,000.  EXACT SAME CAR.  Owner said he had it forever, and it had the Call-Outs.  By the time I had called it had sold locally in Az. 

Prev owner was RIGHT IN SCOTTSDALE.  He said he had it listed in the paper the year before for only $15k and nobody purchased it!!!!!   What a trip. 

(Mention this to the guy selling now, and you MAY get a deal)? 

One more day till the Mopar Hemi Show at Speed World. Is anyone out here in Arizona going besides me and my friend. I haven't seen any responses. This is a very good show. Please let me know on here or send me a private message if any of you guys are going so we can possibly hang out a while. For more info on the show you can go to the speedworld website or just go to this site and they have a flyer that can be printed out. Moparsunlimitedofaz.com      Hope to see a few guys out there on Saturday.  Mopars forever!

Can't make it, I have to work today (saturday) til 4, then its off to castles and coasters for a double birthday party (daughter turns 10 tomorrow, youngest son turns 12 on monday.)  take lots of pix and post 'em up!