Well, almost... First is the extraction from it's last long term storage nest. That started yesterday, with the first task being to remove a small mountain of parts & boxes that have had the car trapped in for years.
To begin, I relocated my '68 Polara to the house garage... expelling my 2004 Ram to the great outdoors for a few weeks. The Polara will move back when the C500 is sent off to the paint & body shop. Next I planned out how & where to move the parts & boxes... my shop does not have a lot of free space. Also planned out was how to move the various non-operable cars blocking the C500 in... it won't be easy! Kind of like a 2D Rubik's Cube... :P
The basic plan is to put the '68 318 Charger on my old trailer with a cover on it for 6-8 months behind my shop. With the C500 & 318 Charger out of the shop and the Polara self mobile, that gives three open spaces on that end of the shop for my electrician to do his work while I set up shelving and sort through 25+ years of parts & boxes... it will like opening presents at Christmas.
I expect my updates will be sporatic, posting them when I have new pictures and the time to post them. Here are the first four pics showing the beginning of digging out the C500...
XS
With the Polara out of the way I start moving parts & boxes, but first I set up a good fan and chair for a rest/cool down station... important when you start to get a bit ancient. :icon_smile_wink:
XS
Finally able to walk up to the C500 after many years for a close-up look...
XS
As more parts & boxes are carted off, more of the C500 is visible...
Looks like a very good project man. Do you plan on keeping the same colour scheme? I wish I had a garage full of Mopars. I know how it is when you clean a garage/shop. It took me 2 days but I finally cleaned out my garage. It only took me 2 days :lol:. I had a fan too, not for resting, for blowing all the dust out of the garage so I wouldnt choke to death. :eek2:
Heres what my garage looked like after I cleaned it
mopar heaven :drool5:
The Charger infront of the green Challenger, is that the Daytona? :shruggy:
The C500 had been dense-packed like many of my cars in the shop... it still looks as solid as I remember it being. The car needs a good scrubbing... especially the interior. Unlike most of my cars, I never cleaned it out after buying the car. The C500 is exactly as I purchased it 21 years ago...
XS
It looks like it has C5X interior? :shruggy:
Quote from: 69bronzeT5 on September 16, 2007, 06:12:56 PM
The Charger infront of the green Challenger, is that the Daytona? :shruggy:
Yes... both the Superbird & Daytona were "de-winged" in the 1980s to make them less noticeable when the doors were open at the public storages they were kept in. Both will receive their wings back soon! :yesnod:
Last four pictures for now, one more interior and the vacant engine bay.
XS
Quote from: 69bronzeT5 on September 16, 2007, 06:17:44 PM
It looks like it has C5X interior? :shruggy:
The interior code is C6X for all vinyl seats (C5X is vinyl & cloth).
XS
Quote from: 69bronzeT5 on September 16, 2007, 06:11:00 PM
Do you plan on keeping the same colour scheme?
Definitely... B5 Rules! Besides, a friend we call "B5 Dale" would hire some thugs to do me in if I changed it! :lol:
XS
Quote from: 66chargerkid on September 16, 2007, 06:11:05 PM
mopar heaven :drool5:
Thanks, it seems like Mopar hell at times tho... but not too often.
XS
I see I'm not the only guy with garages packed full of Mopars. I have 6,000 sq ft and still don't have enough room. The wife said no more shops on the property.
Would be great if my wingcar clones were real wingcars like yours though. Love those b5 blue cars. I have a 69 runner and a 69 bee and both are b5 blue with blue interiors. Actually dug both of them out a couple of weeks ago and took them out to blow off the dust...at about 70 mph. I also have a 70 barracuda and a 70 gran coupe that are b5 cars. Sold a b5 70 barracuda convert a few years back as well.
Keep us up to date on the progress.
Alright Allen !!!!!!! Can't wait to see her some time.........
Troy
Me thinks you have way too many toys for one man....
And you've sat on the 500 for 21 years! I can't imagine doing that.
Are you now going about restoring them, because you've realized that life is too short? :think:
:ahum:
.Looking forward to seeing the restoration progress pictures.As your cars emerge from deep storage :2thumbs:.Heres another B5 charger 500 a friend of mine.Bought it also in the 80-s $2500.00 440 Automatic AC car
[img]http://i37.photobucket.com/albums/e67/75414/front500-1.jpg[/img
Quote from: hemi68charger on September 16, 2007, 09:47:57 PM
Alright Allen !!!!!!! Can't wait to see her some time.........
Troy
Where is your famous qoute about trading for his Daytona? ?? :icon_smile_big:
Can't wait to see the pics. You have a lot of great Mopars. :2thumbs:
Quote from: hotrod98 on September 16, 2007, 08:25:35 PM
I see I'm not the only guy with garages packed full of Mopars. I have 6,000 sq ft and still don't have enough room. The wife said no more shops on the property.
:cheers: Mine is only 3,000 sq ft plus 500 sq ft more effective area when you count the loft... and I have room for more shops on the property (being single, the votes always go my way :lol:)
But, I need fewer cars, not more storage... :P
Allen
Quote from: hemi68charger on September 16, 2007, 09:47:57 PM
Alright Allen !!!!!!! Can't wait to see her some time.........
Troy
Thanks Troy, I wish the C500 could be ready for Boerne... but it not going to be. :rotz:
Allen
Quote from: Magnumcharger on September 16, 2007, 10:20:47 PM
Me thinks you have way too many toys for one man....
You are correct, and the problem is being addressed... wanna buy a 1973 Charger SE 440 car? Sold a 1971 Challenger R/T original Shaker car a few months ago...
Quote from: Magnumcharger on September 16, 2007, 10:20:47 PM
And you've sat on the 500 for 21 years! I can't imagine doing that.
It might help to imagine some serious health problems, losing $28K on an investment made to help a friend, 5 months of unemployment followed by 6 years of 60-70 hr weeks with travel, then a job change (liked the 50-60 hr weeks better), buying a new house, building a 50x60 shop, moving 21 trailer loads of cars & parts 300 miles by yourself, Etc...
Quote from: Magnumcharger on September 16, 2007, 10:20:47 PM
Are you now going about restoring them, because you've realized that life is too short? :think:
The `Cuda 440-6 was finished in those years, the Challenger Convertible was 95% restored, the Hemi `Cuda is at about 50% done. When I bought the C500, I had 13 more cars than I have now. You are close to being correct, life is too short to have too many cars... I will have some hard decisions in the next few years. BTW, the only cars for sale at the moment are the 1973 Charger SE 440 Hp car & a 1968 Polara 2Dr HT 383 HP car.
While many of my cars did indeed "sit" for 20+ years, almost all were stored inside... my storage bill in the late 1980s was over $650/mo, while my house payment was $720/mo.
XS
Quote from: nascarxx29 on September 17, 2007, 05:12:58 AM
.Looking forward to seeing the restoration progress pictures.As your cars emerge from deep storage :2thumbs:.Heres another B5 charger 500 a friend of mine.Bought it also in the 80-s $2500.00 440 Automatic AC car
Thanks Dave! Your friend's car looks super solid... maybe we can park them side by side in a few years at the Monster Mopar Weekend!
Allen
Quote from: PocketThunder on September 17, 2007, 08:14:31 AM
Quote from: hemi68charger on September 16, 2007, 09:47:57 PM
Alright Allen !!!!!!! Can't wait to see her some time.........
Troy
Where is your famous qoute about trading for his Daytona? ?? :icon_smile_big:
Did you have to go there?!? :lol: Besides, Troy wants a nice shiney one... not an old war horse like mine! :icon_smile_wink:
Allen
Quote from: 71ChallengeHer on September 17, 2007, 08:21:31 AM
Can't wait to see the pics. You have a lot of great Mopars. :2thumbs:
Thanks Jackie! I hope to have it sent off to the paint shop in 2-3 weeks. I will try to get the car ready for the paint shop owner to have a look at it in my shop by this coming weekend. If all goes well, they would pick it up soon afterward... :2thumbs:
Allen
I saved these pictures on my computer.When I thought your daytona looked B3 to me
(http://i37.photobucket.com/albums/e67/75414/B3daytona.jpg)
Quote from: nascarxx29 on September 17, 2007, 06:52:14 PM
I saved these pictures on my computer.When I thought your daytona looked B3 to me
The original color of my Daytona was R4 Red, but it was repainted some GM color in the 1970s...
You can see a little red peeking out near the end of the bumper in the picture that you posted, and the R4 is even more visible on the "A" pillar in picture 0085 that I posted above (I removed the "A" pillar mouldings when I had the car in a public storage).
Below is part of the original data plate from my Daytona.
Allen
Hey is that 500 an SE by any chance? I am still looking for the build sheet to mine!!
Al
Quote from: Highbanked Hauler on September 17, 2007, 07:38:19 PM
Hey is that 500 an SE by any chance? I am still looking for the build sheet to mine!!
Al
No, its not an SE. The broadcast sheet that I found in the car was for a T5 colored Hemi Charger 500... :o
Did your car have any broadcast sheet?... looking for mine too!
Allen
Yes, it is for a B5 blue with blue interior SE 500 so I figure there is a blue se car with my build sheet and I have theirs. It and mine must have been in Creative Ind. at the same time.
Al
Quote from: Highbanked Hauler on September 17, 2007, 07:59:54 PM
Yes, it is for a B5 blue with blue interior SE 500 so I figure there is a blue se car with my build sheet and I have theirs. It and mine must have been in Creative Ind. at the same time.
Al
Yes Al, your chances are better of that being the case due to the blue interior. With my black interior, the mix-up was probably more messy... many of the cars had black interiors. I picture a ceiling high stack of black seats to pick from for any given car ready for them! :P
Allen
Another thing that helps is there are only 14 or so SE 500s. There is a B5 SE in Canada but it has a much later production number than mine. I would guess there more black interior Chargers than any other color so I see how you got a sheet for a bronze car.
Quote from: xs29j8Bullitt on September 17, 2007, 06:07:28 PM
I hope to have it sent off to the paint shop in 2-3 weeks.
wow, you just pull it out and its already going to the paint shop in a few weeks? Your making fast progress man! My 69 is hopefully going to the paint/body shop by the end of November...it only took 9 years to get this far.... :icon_smile_blackeye: :icon_smile_big:
Quote from: Highbanked Hauler on September 17, 2007, 08:23:06 PM
Another thing that helps is there are only 14 or so SE 500s. There is a B5 SE in Canada but it has a much later production number than mine. I would guess there more black interior Chargers than any other color so I see how you got a sheet for a bronze car.
Dang,, black interior T7... Wish I could find Dana's broadcast sheet.... :'( T7 with saddle interior.............
Troy
Hey Allen you should just get that B5 car of yours up and running, and make it driveable, so that we can swap. :cheers:
Hope that you do get it done so that I can see it some day though. It was great hanging out with ya the other weekend. You definately have some nice rides, as we all know that I wish I had a daytona even if it was a battle horse as you described yours.
Quote from: 69_500 on September 18, 2007, 04:22:01 PM
Hey Allen you should just get that B5 car of yours up and running,...
:yesnod:
Quote from: 69_500 on September 18, 2007, 04:22:01 PM
... and make it driveable,...
:yesnod: :yesnod:
Quote from: 69_500 on September 18, 2007, 04:22:01 PM
... so that we can swap...
:scratchchin: must resist... Geez Danny, you & Troy are gonna give y'alls cars some sort of complexes... trying to trade 'em off ;) Now, go hug your C500! :lol:
Quote from: 69_500 on September 18, 2007, 04:22:01 PM
Hope that you do get it done so that I can see it some day though. It was great hanging out with ya the other weekend. You definately have some nice rides, as we all know that I wish I had a daytona even if it was a battle horse as you described yours.
I am trying a completely different approach than I have used before... I plan to be a "Project Engineer" of sorts. We will see how it works out, I am starting by compiling a list of sub-contractors (like Performance Car Graphics, SMS Restorations, HARMS Automotive, Etc.) to do components like the instrument cluster, steering column, AVS carb, Etc. I will be asking for recommendations after the C500 is sent off to the paint shop.
Yea, I talk a little bad about the Daytona sometimes... kinda like I used to joke about my weight when I was a lot heavier than now. It seems to prevent someone from showing their grasp of the obvious with "WOW, did ya know its going to take a lot of work to restore that car?..." ::) But, it is a real Daytona, and I plan to clean it up a bit after the C500 leaves. Actually, I plan to clean all my cars up a bit in the next 6 months or so as time & space permit.
I really enjoyed meeting you, Gene, and all the other great aero car fans at MMW!!! Had a blast! Thanks again for the ride on the track! :cheers:
Allen
Don't worry about my C500 having a complex for me wanting to swap it for something else. I think it knew that the day that I picked it up. It is well aware that if someone wanted to swap a project Daytona for it, then it would be heading out of the garage faster than you could say "See ya"
What did you mean by "when my C500 leaves?" You just talking about it going out to be repaired right, not as in leaving to someone else? YOu gotta hang on to these cars, you've had them too long to part with any of them now.
What's up with the 68 318 Charger that you are going to put on the trailer? It just seems a little out of place compared to the rest of the collection. I have one that I just don't know how I feel about it.
Quote from: 69_500 on September 21, 2007, 05:02:25 PM
What did you mean by "when my C500 leaves?" You just talking about it going out to be repaired right, not as in leaving to someone else? YOu gotta hang on to these cars, you've had them too long to part with any of them now.
I probably could have worded that better, but I just was referring to when the C500 goes to the paint shop... I have had a lot of chances to sell or trade the car off, including four recent/current contacts about the car. I have tried to explain to each of them that although I am not sentimentally attached to the car, it is the easiest to restore of my Aero Cars. That is the main reason it is going to the paint shop instead of my Daytona, I hope to have it on the road much faster than I have ever been able to do a restoration before... we will see how it works out! :P
Sadly, I cannot see myself hanging onto all the cars... it is just too many projects to handle. Right now I have plans to sell the 1973 Charger SE 440 car, 1968 Polara 2Dr HT 383 HP car, and two E-Bodies. The Charger & Polara are essentially ready to go, but the E-Bodies will take some time to gather the parts and do more assembly... At some point the decisions will get much tougher, but some other cars will have to go too...
Allen
Quote from: paironines on September 21, 2007, 06:43:05 PM
What's up with the 68 318 Charger that you are going to put on the trailer? It just seems a little out of place compared to the rest of the collection. I have one that I just don't know how I feel about it.
Although I originally bought the 318 Charger as a parts car, I drove it quite a bit in the mid to late 80s. Lately I have considered it more of a hot rod project, maybe Bullitt's evil twin... :D I have also thought I might just fix it up as a neat driver, leaving the 318 right where its at. It's future is pretty much up in the air...
The 318 Charger is a better fit than some of my cars, like the 1968 Polara 4Dr HT that I moved to my house garage (see the beginning of this thread). My tastes in Mopars is a bit eclectic... maybe even a bit strange to some! :lol:
Allen
Man, you have one nice collection of Mopars! MsMopar
As long as you hold on to the aero cars I won't hold anything against you.
Or at least that is the only one's that I'd hold on to if I was you. Then again, I'm not an E body fan at all, and well okay I'll admit it I'm really only a fan of 2 cars the Daytona first and the C500's.
Quote from: MsMopar on September 23, 2007, 12:07:37 AM
Man, you have one nice collection of Mopars! MsMopar
Thanks! I hope they are even nicer in a few years...
Allen
Quote from: 69_500 on September 23, 2007, 07:15:22 PM
As long as you hold on to the aero cars I won't hold anything against you.
Or at least that is the only one's that I'd hold on to if I was you. Then again, I'm not an E body fan at all, and well okay I'll admit it I'm really only a fan of 2 cars the Daytona first and the C500's.
My favorite car that I own is triple black... my Mopar likes are more diverse than yours... I guess the next time we meet you're gonna :slap: :lol:
Allen
Worked in the shop all weekend (when I wasn't mowing, shopping, or running other errands). Did not get everything done that I planned to, but I did make progress...
First of all I put the Daytona on roller skates (car dollies)... they don't roll as easy as I had hoped.
Next I pivoted the Superbird out of the way to create a path to extract the 318 Charger.
Then I pivoted the 318 Charger so that it could roll through the gap between Bullitt & the Superbird.
Allen
The 318 Charger slipped between the two cars as planned... very slowly with many clearance checks!
After unloading a pair of quarter panels from my old utility trailer, I loaded the 318 Charger.
Finally getting room to move things around in the shop...
Allen
As I mentioned earlier, I had other tasks like mowing 2 acres :eek2: and running errands. I also made it by Harbour Freight to pick up some useful items for the upcoming restoration and shop re-organization. Among the items was a blasting cabinet & parts washer. For a place with cheap prices, I sure spent a lot of $$$ there... :P
Last pictures for now...
Allen
post some more pictures of that bullit car wow I like that car
:drool5:
Nah I wouldn't :slap: you. I just wanna see the car. :)
Heck I love all C500's and Daytona's. Haven't met one that I didn't like yet.
Other cars, well thats a different story. I will admit to being a bit fond of some other cars, but not too many. For some odd ball reason I really like the 38 Dodge Coupe as well. Don't know why, but I do. I also love the 63 Fury body style, as well as the 62 Polara, as well as the 57 Chrysler 300. But no E bodies.
god i want that garage area..... :drool5:
Quote from: 69_500 on September 24, 2007, 02:49:00 PM
Nah I wouldn't :slap: you. I just wanna see the car. :)
Heck I love all C500's and Daytona's. Haven't met one that I didn't like yet.
Other cars, well thats a different story. I will admit to being a bit fond of some other cars, but not too many. For some odd ball reason I really like the 38 Dodge Coupe as well. Don't know why, but I do. I also love the 63 Fury body style, as well as the 62 Polara, as well as the 57 Chrysler 300. But no E bodies.
you want a '62 polara, but not a superbird or a hemi charger r/t? :pity:
Yuppers that would be me. Call me odd ball, but I like what I like.
A Superbird does have a wing, but its just not the same as a daytona. To me its not even close. But that again is just how I feel.
Quote from: moparstuart on September 24, 2007, 08:44:12 AM
post some more pictures of that bullit car wow I like that car
Thanks, I like her too... :yesnod:
Although I call her Bullitt, the only connection to the movie is the triple black color. It is an original Triple Black Hemi car... :icon_smile_big:
Here are a few pictures.
Allen
Quote from: 69_500 on September 24, 2007, 02:49:00 PM
... I also love the 63 Fury body style...
Here are some pictures from the Sept. 2004 Pure Stock Drags with a friend's black 1963 Max Wedge Sport Fury beating a COPO Camaro... :2thumbs:
Allen
Quote from: chargerman68 on September 24, 2007, 02:53:38 PM
god i want that garage area..... :drool5:
I wish that I had built it 20 years earlier... wasted a lot of money on public storage units!
Allen
Here is the C500 as purchased on August 9, 1986 for $600... $100 down + $500 balance within 10 days! :coolgleamA: Being old enough to buy a car in the 1980s had it's advantages...
Allen
Hey Allen,
Being way too young to buy a car in the early 80's will eventually have some advantages too. :2thumbs:
Quote from: 69_500 on September 25, 2007, 08:13:34 PM
Hey Allen,
Being way too young to buy a car in the early 80's will eventually have some advantages too. :2thumbs:
Definitely!!! But at least there are a few benefits to being my age... :P
At least I don't qualify for a Senior Citizen discount yet! :lol:
Allen
Quote from: xs29j8Bullitt on September 25, 2007, 08:22:28 PM
Definitely!!! But at least there are a few benefits to being my age... :P
At least I don't qualify for a Senior Citizen discount yet! :lol:
Allen
I purchased all of my SuperBirds in the 70's, sold everything by January 1983, and I have my AARP card in my wallet. But I don't qualify for the Old Fart Discount either. (I'll start qualifying at some places in 3 years and a couple months.)
Hey Allen, do you have any pics of your '70 Charger? I don't know if I've seen any of that one yet. :)
Cool thread, I really enjoy the pics of all the neat toys & that big garage. :cheers:
Quote from: CHARGER_FAN on September 26, 2007, 05:59:07 PM
Hey Allen, do you have any pics of your '70 Charger? I don't know if I've seen any of that one yet. :)
Cool thread, I really enjoy the pics of all the neat toys & that big garage. :cheers:
Thanks! These are all that I have on the 'puter at the moment. I will take more when the clean-up campaign gets to that end of the shop... maybe in 6 months or so. :P
Allen
Quote from: learical1 on September 26, 2007, 09:47:55 AM
I purchased all of my SuperBirds in the 70's, sold everything by January 1983...
OUCH! I regret the wing cars, Hemi convertables, Etc that I passed on for one reason or another... :brickwall:
I started going through the items stored in the C500... most came with the car, but a few items were stashed in the car by me during my last move.
So thats were I put those NOS moldings...
Also, a picture of the original Data Plate.
Danny... Email incoming! :icon_smile_big:
Allen
Nice pictures a friend in town has a 1970 FC7 RT/SE 440-6 supertrack pack charger.I have a buildsheet for a white 70 V code charger.If you know of any white one besides Troys old car
nice tags!
i REALLY like B7 chargers, and yours with white is dynamite.
a 4 speed 500 rocks, too.
what are the bird/daytona?
good luck Allen!! Will make a nice car when it's done..
Best regards, Marcel, the Netherlands
Got the email Allen.
thanks.
Just another bit of information to add to the growing lists. One of these days my wife is going to scream, but for now she just rolls her eyes.
Quote from: pettybird on September 27, 2007, 10:15:52 AM
nice tags!
i REALLY like B7 chargers, and yours with white is dynamite.
a 4 speed 500 rocks, too.
what are the bird/daytona?
Thanks, the Daytona is a 440 Automatic & the Superbird is a 440 4 Speed...
I don't have the Data Plate for the Superbird, but believe the original owner still has it... but I am not sure. I need to contact him again.
I DO have the Superbird's Broadcast Sheet tho...
Allen
Quote from: duo-stripe on September 27, 2007, 12:54:05 PM
good luck Allen!! Will make a nice car when it's done..
Best regards, Marcel, the Netherlands
Thanks Marcel... hopefully you will see it at a show in a few years if you make it back to this side of the world. :cheers:
Allen
Awesome collection there Allen! Any chance of forwarding some info here as well? :wave:
www.1969chargerregistry.com
admin@1969chargerregistry.com
Chris
Looks like your daytona came from the same dealer.Where Charles C 500 came from Preston Dodge
Quote from: Just 6T9_CHGR.... on September 27, 2007, 07:35:09 PM
Awesome collection there Allen! Any chance of forwarding some info here as well? :wave:
www.1969chargerregistry.com
admin@1969chargerregistry.com
Chris
Will do Chris, probably in 3 or more batches... I am still not too organized. :P
Allen
Quote from: nascarxx29 on September 27, 2007, 07:57:16 PM
Looks like your daytona came from the same dealer.Where Charles C 500 came from Preston Dodge
Not even in the same ballpark...but that is where my Barracuda came from. :D
Allen thanks for posting pics of your projects! :2thumbs: I look forward to seeing the progress pics as well!! :popcrn: You have a fantastic collection!! And in reguards to your earlier post about being "old enough to buy them in the 80's".....Just think what a feeling it will be to slide behind the wheel, turn the key and :drive:......... :drool5: :drool5: :drool5: I would bet you will be feeling young at heart again!! :2thumbs:
Quote from: nascarxx29 on September 27, 2007, 07:57:16 PM
Looks like your daytona came from the same dealer.Where Charles C 500 came from Preston Dodge
Put down the Daytona Shipment List Dave... so ya think it is #469 huh... :scratchchin: :shruggy: might be... might not... :icon_smile_wink:
or, could it be #381 ??? :icon_smile_big:
I started to cover up the production date, then decided to leave it and see what happened...
XS
Quote from: 1carcrazyguy on September 27, 2007, 08:41:40 PM
Allen thanks for posting pics of your projects! :2thumbs: I look forward to seeing the progress pics as well!! :popcrn: You have a fantastic collection!! And in reguards to your earlier post about being "old enough to buy them in the 80's"...
Thanks, actually I feel pretty "young at heart" as it is... I just kid about it a lot, especially when I get aches & pains from working in the shop or yard.
Allen
I saw that you mentioned a bodyshop was going to do the body and paintwork. Other than that, are you doing most of the work yourself?
No I dont totally rely on the daytona shipment list or SPD dates.Its these older mid 1970-s membership roosters that compiled cars and members from clubs Ive been in DSAC Winged warriors and NEHOA etc etc.That info will cross reference and collaberate with the info on the shiplists for the daytonas that contain dealer location #926 job numbers and serial numbers.My recently sold daytona was the 381 car .I do keep tabs from Dare Lane Mabuni.Hows Jerry D and his cars.Wasnt he the guy who worked at general dynamics/lockheed
(http://i20.photobucket.com/albums/b229/Annie75414/daytonalist1979.jpg)
Quote from: 1carcrazyguy on September 27, 2007, 09:26:02 PM
I saw that you mentioned a bodyshop was going to do the body and paintwork. Other than that, are you doing most of the work yourself?
That is how I have always done it previously, but will probably farm a lot more of the work out in the future. With vendors specializing in restoring components (steering columns, dash clusters, Etc), it does not make sense to do it all anymore. Too many projects, too little time!
Allen
Quote from: xs29j8Bullitt on September 28, 2007, 03:39:09 PM
Too many projects, too little time!
Allen
Hope all goes well. :2thumbs: Look forward to pics as they progress! :popcrn:
Quote from: nascarxx29 on September 27, 2007, 09:51:41 PM
No I dont totally rely on the daytona shipment list or SPD dates.Its these older mid 1970-s membership roosters that compiled cars and members from clubs Ive been in DSAC Winged warriors and NEHOA etc etc.
Yes, you have a lot of aero car ownership information. Used wisely, this information can be a great resource for the current owners wanting to research their car's history! But, used for a "Gotcha" ego trip, the information can cause the current owners great distress due to security concerns or not wanting 100,000 calls from flippers wanting a quick score...
Quote from: nascarxx29 on September 27, 2007, 09:51:41 PM
I do keep tabs from Dare Lane Mabuni.
I assume that this is a veiled reference to an old address that I had and used frequently in NHOA & MMCI newsletters, as well as other sources. Why you "keep tabs" on that material is unknown to me, unless you plan to publish my current address as well... Other than that, I cannot dechiper what this statement means, the battery is low in my decoder ring... :shruggy:
Quote from: nascarxx29 on September 27, 2007, 09:51:41 PM
My recently sold daytona was the 381 car .
Really... What are the odds that I would have picked that number... :scratchchin:
Quote from: nascarxx29 on September 27, 2007, 09:51:41 PM
Hows Jerry D and his cars.Wasnt he the guy who worked at general dynamics/lockheed
I venture to say that would be a loooooooooooooooong commute for Dr D! :rofl: :rofl: :rofl:
I assume this is a veiled reference to my employers... I would suggest that you not further explore this path of inquiry.
Quote from: nascarxx29 on September 27, 2007, 09:51:41 PM
That info will cross reference and collaberate with the info...
Did you cross reference the old picture of my Daytona that you posted with the new ones that I posted?... :icon_smile_wink:
XS
If you want an update on the sheet above 379729 is not R4 but V2.
It is the build sheet that came in our R4 car
And Allen look forward to seeing the finished cars.
Wish I had some of them in the buildings at home.
Quote from: Mopurr on September 28, 2007, 04:19:28 PM
If you want an update on the sheet above 379729 is not R4 but V2.
It is the build sheet that came in our R4 car
There are other mistakes as well, but I did not know about that one...
Quote from: Mopurr on September 28, 2007, 04:19:28 PM
And Allen look forward to seeing the finished cars.
Thanks! I hope to do the C500 in record time (for me that is). :2thumbs:
The other Aero Cars will take longer, but I am working on a plan...
The pictures that I took of y'alls car will come in handy when I finally tackle the Daytona!... So will Gene's pictures!!!
Allen
That old club list says hemi orange.And as your fender tag is blue a car was originally R4 red.Has to be a different car and owner in TX .Where I lived quite a few years .Guy had 1 or 2 69 daytonas one of them had a 69 charger front clip on it and was from Dallas /FT Worth TX .His email was XS29J8.Leeding me to believe has or had a 68 hemi charger.The others daytonas and owners in the TX area I can recall was Del and Jeff.Whos car was T Ecord who moved from Houston to Arlington.Just using the new internet tools of research.Insteed of sorting through papers notes pictures from many years ago.You can do aerial searches.And might yield pictures of cars from above
http://www.zillow.com/HomeDetails.htm?zprop=26327917
Back on topic...
I have a lot of other tasks to do this weekend, but did manage to get the C500 extracted finally. I hope to have the paint & body shop guy have a look at the car this coming week, now that all sides are accessable.
Rotated the Superbird out of the way, then rolled the Daytona back to clear the C500's path to freedom... finally able to get to all sides of the Charger 500.
Allen
Rotating the C500 so it can come out nose first was a challenge without moving the convertible. Maintained about 4 inches of clearance in the back of the car, but less than an inch at the front... :o But, it worked!!! :icon_smile_big:
Allen
Quite the collection of iron there, Allen! :2thumbs: D'ya think the restoration work will seem easy compared to all the work you're having to do in your shop? :lol: I know the feeling though - my shop is in quite the state at the moment, but I haven't had the time to work on it much (which is a good thing in some respects).
BTW, did you get my email?
Quote from: hemigeno on September 29, 2007, 10:54:37 PM
Quite the collection of iron there, Allen! :2thumbs: D'ya think the restoration work will seem easy compared to all the work you're having to do in your shop? :lol: I know the feeling though - my shop is in quite the state at the moment, but I haven't had the time to work on it much (which is a good thing in some respects).
BTW, did you get my email?
Iron is right... :eek2: It was a lot easier to push these beasts around when I weighed 350+... :lol: Once the C500 is shipped to the paint shop, work on organizing the workshop will get a real start. The area under the loft where the C500 was will get filled with HD shelving units, and Phase II of the workshop wiring will begin... the initial wiring paid off big time during this workout!
PM sent, will call tomorrow!
Allen
awesome collection there Allen :yesnod: :drool5: :drool5: would love to see more pictures a you progress with them :yesnod: :popcrn: :popcrn: .............awesome stuff :yesnod:
Quote from: tan top on September 30, 2007, 04:18:37 AM
awesome collection there Allen :yesnod: :drool5: :drool5: would love to see more pictures a you progress with them :yesnod: :popcrn: :popcrn: .............awesome stuff :yesnod:
Thanks, I'll post pics as available... but please don't expect a rapid restoration. As the thread title says, it is the beginning of a long saga. I am less than a month into it, but feel like I am a week behind schedule already... :P Still, I feel like I have made good progress considering the work needed to extract the C500 and the other tasks that I have had to work around.
I expect that I will get the car back from the paint shop next Summer, but probably won't make much progress until the temperatures cool down to at least like they are now... low 90s or cooler. In the meantime, I will be concentrating on getting parts to support the paint shop, parts for final assembly, bead blasting & restoring small parts, and having sub-components restored by vendors. Also, organizing the workshop and working on other projects... while trying to leave time for a personal life. I have a busy year ahead! :scratchchin:
Allen
Are you doing a total resto on it? Are you putting it on a rotissorie? Looks like an awesome project and deserves the best :2thumbs:
Quote from: The70RT on September 30, 2007, 01:29:14 PM
Are you doing a total resto on it? Are you putting it on a rotissorie? Looks like an awesome project and deserves the best :2thumbs:
The C500 is going on a rotisserie for a total restoration. The "Paint & Body" shop actually has become more of a restoration shop & has an open rotisserie now (or did 3 weeks ago). I will call them tomorrow to set up an appointment to have the owner look over the C500 and estimate the cost (will be billed by the hour, so its not a firm fixed bid).
The restoration will not be a concours type with date codes mandatory or NOS everything, but probably a bit over-restored. For example, the flange bolts on the oil pan typically were not fully painted... but mine will be. The primer typically found on the underside of the unibody will actually be a paint resembling primer painted over body color. I gonna drive it on the street!!! :yesnod:
Allen
Sounds like a plan. :2thumbs:
Sounds like you have the whole thing lined up. Looking forward to being able to :drool5: over the car in the future. Love the B5 blue, and man do I wish my car was a 4 speed.
Quote from: 69_500 on September 30, 2007, 07:48:50 PM
Sounds like you have the whole thing lined up. Looking forward to being able to :drool5: over the car in the future. Love the B5 blue, and man do I wish my car was a 4 speed.
So put one in! I'm gonna.
I would love to, but just can't bring myself to do that ona #'s car. If the car wasn't #'s matching, and such I would.
Well, I just finished showing the paint shop owner the Charger 500. He is recommending that at least the driver's side quarter panel be replaced since the new full quarter panels are now available. The passenger side one is in much better shape, but may end up being replaced also... depends how things look when the car is stripped down.
Joe, the paint shop owner, said my C500 looked very solid compared to some of the cars he works on now-a-days. In addition to the quarter(s), the C500 will need a trunk floor, two small floorboard repair sections (drivers & passengers feet areas), and the rear "valence" & corner pieces. Other pieces may be needed after getting a better look during dis-assembly... :shruggy:
OK, here goes with some questions:
1) Has anyone closely compared the new full quarter panels offered by different vendors. Are both actually on the market, ready to ship? How do they compare in quality / fit ? Has anyone on the forum actually had either one installed?
2) I believe that someone has come out with full trunk floors, or is about to... Who are they... Goodmark?
3) Are there different vendors for floorboard repair sections... who offers the best? Goodmark?
More questions later, thanks in advance for the help... I need it!!! :icon_smile_big:
Allen
Allen,
In regards to the sheet metal needs of your 500, here's my two cents.
Auto metal Direct and Hardcore Racing are both stating that they are currently, or shortly will be offering the full quarters. I have been hearing bad things about Hardcore Racing and would be very hesitant to deal with them I happen to have the same name as the head of Hardcore Racing and lately I have been receiving emails from people thinking I am that person, asking where their quarters are that they paid for months ago. This does not sound good to me.
Auto Metal Direct seems to have more on the ball and I have seen pictures of their sheet metal parts that they are preparing to bring to market and they look great. I believe they are going to offer one piece trunk floors in addition to Charger quarters, fenders and door skins.
Auto Metal Direct can be contacted at 866-591-8309 or www.autometaldirect.com
I hope this helps you. Good luck with your cars. I am envious of the collection you have put together.
there is an article in the wing warriors news letter i got last night by sue and wayne about the quarters ?
Hey Allen, just out of curiousity but what is the deal with the passenger rear quarter? Right where it wraps around to the tail panel it appears to be scrunched a little bit. Not sure how to describe it though.
Quote from: moparchris on October 01, 2007, 11:40:24 PM
Allen,
In regards to the sheet metal needs of your 500, here's my two cents.
Auto metal Direct and Hardcore Racing are both stating that they are currently, or shortly will be offering the full quarters. I have been hearing bad things about Hardcore Racing and would be very hesitant to deal with them I happen to have the same name as the head of Hardcore Racing and lately I have been receiving emails from people thinking I am that person, asking where their quarters are that they paid for months ago. This does not sound good to me.
Auto Metal Direct seems to have more on the ball and I have seen pictures of their sheet metal parts that they are preparing to bring to market and they look great. I believe they are going to offer one piece trunk floors in addition to Charger quarters, fenders and door skins.
Auto Metal Direct can be contacted at 866-591-8309 or www.autometaldirect.com
I hope this helps you. Good luck with your cars. I am envious of the collection you have put together.
Excellent feedback! Just the type of information / opinions that I am looking for... THANKS!
Allen
Quote from: moparstuart on October 02, 2007, 09:26:28 AM
there is an article in the wing warriors news letter i got last night by sue and wayne about the quarters ?
Thanks... I need to join the Aero Car clubs now that I am getting one in work! Sorry I can't help on your wing car search... :icon_smile_wink:
Is there any place online that I can read the article in the meantime? :scratchchin:
Allen
Quote from: 69_500 on October 02, 2007, 02:58:31 PM
Hey Allen, just out of curiousity but what is the deal with the passenger rear quarter? Right where it wraps around to the tail panel it appears to be scrunched a little bit. Not sure how to describe it though.
Yep, it is tagged a bit but easily fixed if we keep that quarter panel. The other side has more problems which although repairable would burn through a lot of $45 hours.
Below are the best pictures that I have of the C500 quarters now, will get better ones this weekend...
Allen
I had some rust like that. They look small till you start grinding on them or look on the inside of the quarter.
nice collection of cars. I like them all
Quote from: The70RT on October 02, 2007, 07:27:59 PM
I had some rust like that. They look small till you start grinding on them or look on the inside of the quarter.
Thats the concern, but we will know more when the car is more dis-assembled. I talked to AMD today, there has been a delay in bringing the Charger quarter panels to market... but they are still coming! Probably will need an alternate plan if the delay is too long.
Allen
Quote from: C_stripes on October 02, 2007, 07:59:44 PM
nice collection of cars. I like them all
Thanks Jeremy... I like them also! :yesnod:
Allen
So, Allen, we going to park our C500's next to each other at next year's Boerne Charger Meet?
Of course, this all depends if I'm sporting a Daytona by then...... :icon_smile_big:
Allen my biggest question to you on the restoration of the C500 for now anyways is this one.
Are you going to leave the rear marker light bezels painted body color? PLEASE SAY YES
Quote from: hemi68charger on October 04, 2007, 10:35:07 AM
So, Allen, we going to park our C500's next to each other at next year's Boerne Charger Meet?
Of course, this all depends if I'm sporting a Daytona by then...... :icon_smile_big:
Maybe at the 2009 Boerne Meet... if there is one! :shruggy:
With the delay of the quarter panels from AMD, it looks like the C500 won't even be in final prime by then. My discussion with Joe (paint shop owner) set a tentative "realistic" goal to have the painted & rolling C500 body back to me by the end of Sept 2008, but that was before the delay with AMD quarters was known. As with all my projects, delays are the norm... I am planning work-arounds like using the original quarters with repair panels if the QP delay is too long.
Allen
Quote from: 69_500 on October 04, 2007, 03:27:02 PM
Allen my biggest question to you on the restoration of the C500 for now anyways is this one.
Are you going to leave the rear marker light bezels painted body color? PLEASE SAY YES
Since it appears that is the way it left Creative Industries...
YES!I won't be recreating all of their sloppy work like paint overspray... I will pretend they used temp help who gave a damn the day they modified my C500! :icon_smile_big: BTW, I need to name my C500 like I have named some of my cars... Bullitt, Ole Yeller, Etc. ... Suggestions?
Allen
I was hoping you'd post a photo of the marker bezels sooner or later. I was wondering if they were stripe color or body color.
Quote from: 69_500 on October 04, 2007, 04:49:44 PM
I was hoping you'd post a photo of the marker bezels sooner or later. I was wondering if they were stripe color or body color.
Body color... this is the best picture that I have at the moment. I will take many more clear shots before it leaves for the paint shop...
Allen
Saved that one to a folder. One of these days I'll run out of hard drive space of C500 photo's. For now each car that I've seen has its own folder though.
Quote from: xs29j8Bullitt on October 04, 2007, 04:48:41 PM
Quote from: 69_500 on October 04, 2007, 03:27:02 PM
Allen my biggest question to you on the restoration of the C500 for now anyways is this one.
Are you going to leave the rear marker light bezels painted body color? PLEASE SAY YES
Since it appears that is the way it left Creative Industries... YES!
I won't be recreating all of their sloppy work like paint overspray... I will pretend they used temp help who gave a damn the day they modified my C500! :icon_smile_big: BTW, I need to name my C500 like I have named some of my cars... Bullitt, Ole Yeller, Etc. ... Suggestions?
Allen
How about Thunderstruck
or Primo
or Hustle
Quote from: PocketThunder on October 04, 2007, 11:46:12 PM
How about Thunderstruck
or Primo
or Hustle
Hmmmmmmm.......... Ya got me thinking about
Blue Thunder... :scratchchin:
I generally tie the cars name into it's color. Thanks for the input! Anyone else?...
I may not make any progress this weekend... going to a friend's funeral tomorrow
I have been looking through old pictures for BZ's car, but no luck so far...
I did run accross some old pics of the C500, here are a few:
1) As purchased on August 9, 1986
2) When moved to San Antonio, it spent a while outside at a Boat & Camper Storage waiting for an inside unit to open up
3) When one came open, it was a big one... 56x10... kept 2 B-Bodies & 1 E-Body in it... here the C500 is leaving in 1999 to go to the Workshop
4) At the time the Workshop was new and BIG... It has apparently shrunk since then.
Back to sorting through old pictures & trying out my new Kodak 5100 All-In-One Printer/Scanner/Copier.
Allen
I know of a C500 SE with a blue leather interior a few hundred miles away from me. Its B5 with a white stripe. Wish we could bring it home. Also know of a numbers matching HEMI cuda sitting in a lean-to. Wish we could get that one as well. Some stupid people just like to watch them rot
Cool pics. You sure have your documentation down. Did you ever drive it? The dusty pic reminds me I need to check on this Challeger that I was told about a while back. It is parked in a semi closed in carport and has just as much dust on it. Looks to have set for years. Nobody ever seems to be home though.
Quote from: The70RT on October 05, 2007, 06:37:18 PM
Cool pics. You sure have your documentation down. Did you ever drive it?
No, the car is exactly as I purchased it... kind of like a 21 year time capsule, but without the burial! ;)
I am trying to track down previous owners to see if I can get any old documentation or photos...
Allen
Quote from: xs29j8Bullitt on October 04, 2007, 04:48:41 PM
Quote from: 69_500 on October 04, 2007, 03:27:02 PM
Allen my biggest question to you on the restoration of the C500 for now anyways is this one.
Are you going to leave the rear marker light bezels painted body color? PLEASE SAY YES
Since it appears that is the way it left Creative Industries... YES!
I won't be recreating all of their sloppy work like paint overspray... I will pretend they used temp help who gave a damn the day they modified my C500! :icon_smile_big: BTW, I need to name my C500 like I have named some of my cars... Bullitt, Ole Yeller, Etc. ... Suggestions?
Allen
Boss Blue ??
allen the plate look to say show me state ? is it a missouri car ??
Quote from: arrow on October 06, 2007, 12:48:03 AM
Boss Blue ??
Thanks for the suggestion. :scratchchin: Also thinking about Blue Streak... other suggestions?
Quote from: moparstuart on October 06, 2007, 11:12:56 AM
allen the plate look to say show me state ? is it a missouri car ??
Yes, it was previously titled in Missouri. I am reluctant to provide details on an open forum because I am trying to locate old documentation & photos on the C500 and other cars and I am concerned that interference by others might create problems. I do provide more details to a few people with the clear understanding the information will not be posted or provided to those who would do so... Sorry for the drama, but I have been burned before!
Allen
I understand loose lips sink ships
So are you trying to trace ownership further back? I would have figured you would be around the between the 3rd to 5th owner of the car, considering how long ago you bought it. Guess that is what happens when you assume huh?
My buddys B5 69 AC 500 was not from NJ since new. It sold new at E&E Equip in MO. Dave Patik said the type of antifreeze decal on the radiator support that suggested midwest when he seen the car.Then much later the charger 500 listed that car from that dealer from MO.Before that I had been tracking a past owners name.And found Dave S he found the car in Manahawkin NJ.And had it for sale in our local trading times.Which I sized it up for a daytona project but AC was a turn off.Anatol V bought it way back then.And later sold it.And thats how my friend got it.As far as doing a historical title search Mo and FL are the best the records go from dealer of origin to past owners.Old listings show on the top line a vin ending in 070 Metallic Blue AKA B5 4 speed from MO
(http://i20.photobucket.com/albums/b229/Annie75414/69500B5.jpg)
A bit of a play on words for your car's name....
Blue By You.....
Quote from: Mopurr on October 07, 2007, 10:02:25 PM
A bit of a play on words for your car's name....
Blue By You.....
Another contender... :2thumbs: I remember seeing someone on a Mopar forum using that as a screen name... he had a `Cuda IIRC...
Thanks,
Allen
I like blue by you. It is catchy
Quote from: Mopurr on October 07, 2007, 10:02:25 PM
A bit of a play on words for your car's name....
Blue By You.....
Being a C500 with the flush grille and smooth back window..... Blue Smoothie... :shruggy:
You dont see many B5 blue 500s 15 I think at one time was the given number.I know these are not my friends car.But had them saved to the computer.From another board or posting
(http://i20.photobucket.com/albums/b229/Annie75414/1969_500_BLUE_02.jpg)
(http://i20.photobucket.com/albums/b229/Annie75414/1969_500_BLUE_01.jpg)
(http://i20.photobucket.com/albums/b229/Annie75414/1969_500_BLUE_03.jpg)
(http://i37.photobucket.com/albums/e67/75414/1969500-1.jpg)
Blue Streak :shruggy:
Betty Blue :scratchchin:
Blue Velvet? ;)
black and blue
I think the number of known B5 blue cars is around 20, for some reason that number comes to mind. However I have no way to prove that as I only have information confirming 11 B5 blue cars.
I have no suggestions however on the naming of the car.
Quote from: 69_500 on October 07, 2007, 08:59:14 AM
So are you trying to trace ownership further back? I would have figured you would be around the between the 3rd to 5th owner of the car, considering how long ago you bought it. Guess that is what happens when you assume huh?
I am trying to get as much documentation of the car as possible... something I should have done a long time ago! Based on the Missouri title that I received when I purchased the car, the previous owner had bought the C500 in 1976 (date of first lien). So I am at least the third owner of the car...
BTW, here is a long list of possible names... I have highlighted my favorites, many of which are spin-offs of posted suggestions (or the original suggestion):
ThunderstruckPrimo
Hustle
Boss Blue
Blue By YouBlue Smoothie
Blue StreakBetty Blue
Blue Velvet
Black & BlueBlue ThunderBlue BayouBlue Shift
Shifter Blue
B5 Shifter
B5C5
B5C5 Shifter
Shifter 500
Blue Gone
Aero BlueAero Shifter
Aero ThunderAero Streak
Blue 4Gear
Aero 4Gear
Blue Be GoneNo Wing BluesOriginal Aero
Pre-Wing Aero
Days Of Blue
MO-BlueManual Blue
Blue Speeder
Blue 4Speeder
Aurora Blue
Blue For Speed
Bye Bye Blue
B5 Blue By You
MO Blue By You
MO-TEX Blue
Blue Flash
Blue Ice
Thanks for the suggestions... decision by this weekend (I hope).
Allen
Borat likes Blue!!!
(http://i141.photobucket.com/albums/r79/shaggieshapiro/borat_lebanon0109.jpg)
How about just...Blue?
Quote from: 69_500 on October 08, 2007, 04:36:10 PM
I think the number of known B5 blue cars is around 20, for some reason that number comes to mind. However I have no way to prove that as I only have information confirming 11 B5 blue cars.
Of the 11 that you have information on... how many are 4 Speed cars originally?
Quote from: 69_500 on October 08, 2007, 04:36:10 PM
I have no suggestions however on the naming of the car.
:shruggy: I thought your suggestion for a name would be "Danny's Blue"... :icon_smile_wink:
Allen
Quote from: 70charger_boy on October 08, 2007, 05:33:43 PM
Borat likes Blue!!!
(http://i141.photobucket.com/albums/r79/shaggieshapiro/borat_lebanon0109.jpg)
:smilielol: With large magnetic Borat pictures on the quarters... I'll have to work on the accent! :smilielol:
Allen
How about BlueManBlue?
Quote from: Fitz73Chrgr on October 08, 2007, 05:33:54 PM
How about just...Blue?
I had thought about "Old Blue" but decided it was too similar to my `Cuda's name "Ole Yeller". Just "Blue" seems too plain... :shruggy: ...of course the name could be "Just Blue". ;)
Thanks,
Allen
Quote from: 70charger_boy on October 08, 2007, 05:41:54 PM
How about BlueManBlue?
I kinda like the name, similar to GoManGo... would not be putting the group on the car though! :eek2:
Allen
Quote from: xs29j8Bullitt on October 08, 2007, 05:48:28 PM
Quote from: 70charger_boy on October 08, 2007, 05:41:54 PM
How about BlueManBlue?
I kinda like the name, similar to GoManGo... would not be putting the group on the car though! :eek2:
Allen
Exactly, what I was thinking. GoManGo BluManBlue. Yeah ditch the group
Quote from: xs29j8Bullitt on October 08, 2007, 05:29:30 PM
BTW, here is a long list of possible names... I have highlighted my favorites, many of which are spin-offs of posted suggestions (or the original suggestion):
Thunderstruck
Primo
Hustle
Boss Blue
Blue By You
Blue Smoothie
Blue Streak
Betty Blue
Blue Velvet
Black & Blue
Blue Thunder
Blue Bayou
Blue Shift
Shifter Blue
B5 Shifter
B5C5
B5C5 Shifter
Shifter 500
Blue Gone
Aero Blue
Aero Shifter
Aero Thunder
Aero Streak
Blue 4Gear
Aero 4Gear
Blue Be Gone
No Wing Blues
Original Aero
Pre-Wing Aero
Days Of Blue
MO-Blue
Manual Blue
Blue Speeder
Blue 4Speeder
Aurora Blue
Blue For Speed
Bye Bye Blue
B5 Blue By You
MO Blue By You
MO-TEX Blue
Blue Flash
Blue Ice
Thanks for the suggestions... decision by this weekend (I hope).
Allen
'Blue B__ls'
It's blue and it's got a 440, so it has balls.
then, when it's done, you drive to a meet, park it out back, walk up to your friends and when they ask "What cha drive THIS time?" you answer "I've got Blue B__ls today." :whistling:
I like your pick AERO BLUE :2thumbs:
I like it too! :cheers:
Quote from: 69_500 on October 08, 2007, 04:36:10 PM
I think the number of known B5 blue cars is around 20, for some reason that number comes to mind. However I have no way to prove that as I only have information confirming 11 B5 blue cars.
I have no suggestions however on the naming of the car.
RARE BLUE
Rarer blue
Raring Blue
Rare & ready blue
500 Blues
Blue Brigade
Quote from: nascarxx29 on October 08, 2007, 08:33:46 AM
You dont see many B5 blue 500s 15 I think at one time was the given number.I know these are not my friends car.But had them saved to the computer.From another board or posting
(http://i20.photobucket.com/albums/b229/Annie75414/1969_500_BLUE_02.jpg)
(http://i20.photobucket.com/albums/b229/Annie75414/1969_500_BLUE_01.jpg)
(http://i20.photobucket.com/albums/b229/Annie75414/1969_500_BLUE_03.jpg)
(http://i37.photobucket.com/albums/e67/75414/1969500-1.jpg)
I think I know where you got them. Check page 2 of this thread
Boulevard Bullet
Highway Hauler
Beast
Thunderstruck....good song and I like the name for a car
Blue Aero or Aero Blue....
i like blue aero that sound better
Allen, to answer your question of how many of the 11 that I have seen that are 4 speeds its 3. Well in reality its only 2 as I've only seen photo's of your car, not in person. But I have 2 440 4 speed cars listed, as well as 1 HEMI 4 speed B5 blue car.
As far as name goes. Danny's blue sounds good as long as you'd take Danny's red car in a trade.
Quote from: moparstuart on October 09, 2007, 09:07:43 AM
i like blue aero that sound better
How bout..."THE BLUE AERO? It sounds better with THE. :icon_smile_big:
i like The Blue Raja
Started to clean out, clean, & take apart the Charger 500 today. Here are a few pictures from today.
Allen
The floorboards are mostly solid, except for the BIG hole at the driver's feet and some smaller ones at the passenger's feet. A couple of extra drilled or punched holes on the driver's side... We will see how the floorboards look after media blasting.
Allen
The entire trunk floor is toast! But, the aero car unique parts appear to be solid... too bad Creative Industries did not fully paint the bottom sides. Everything will be primed & painted after media blasting!
There appears to be the word "NO" written on the center reflector housing of the driver's side tail light assembly... :shruggy:
Allen
Nice specimen to start off with little rust except for the common trouble areas.Rubber trunk matt trapping moisture takes the trunk and gas tank out .As the wiper pivot leaks and cowl/ windshield leaks took a small toll on the floor areas.Should be a easy resto as compared to as us on east coast.Car needing frame roofs and complete floors and quarters.if you remove the window plug you might fiind remants of glue and glass left there by the creative conversion.As I found on my old daytona.They didnt paint or treat those areas to well .Slap in the plug and get the car out
Danny Help! I was replacing a bad bulb in the left taillight of my 500 last week and when i removed the cover for the first time sense i bought it 11 years ago i found a big YES on top of the left housing. Whats this mean? Aneyone. :shruggy: Jay.
Quote from: Highbanked Hauler on October 08, 2007, 06:51:16 PM
I like your pick AERO BLUE :2thumbs:
:iagree: :yesnod:
more intresting pictures :popcrn: thanks for sharing :2thumbs:
Quote from: WINGMAN on October 13, 2007, 05:31:18 PM
Danny Help! I was replacing a bad bulb in the left taillight of my 500 last week and when i removed the cover for the first time sense i bought it 11 years ago i found a big YES on top of the left housing. Whats this mean? Aneyone. :shruggy: Jay.
So much for my theory that it meant something did not get installed as would be done with a regular Charger... :confused:
I have never heard of anything like this on an aero car... or could it be just Charger related? Anyone every seen this on other Chargers?... :scratchchin:
Thanks for your reply Jay!
Allen
Quote from: tan top on October 13, 2007, 05:32:21 PM
more intresting pictures :popcrn: thanks for sharing :2thumbs:
Glad you liked the pics... I have taken 572 so far, 173 just today! :eek2:
My numbering system will accomodate 9999... hope that is enough! :lol:
Allen
Quote from: nascarxx29 on October 13, 2007, 05:20:19 PM
Nice specimen to start off with little rust except for the common trouble areas.Rubber trunk matt trapping moisture takes the trunk and gas tank out .As the wiper pivot leaks and cowl/ windshield leaks took a small toll on the floor areas.Should be a easy resto as compared to as us on east coast.Car needing frame roofs and complete floors and quarters.if you remove the window plug you might fiind remants of glue and glass left there by the creative conversion.As I found on my old daytona.They didnt paint or treat those areas to well .Slap in the plug and get the car out
Thanks, I am finding more rust than I expected, but it is very localized for the most part. If the AMD quarter panels are available in time, the plug will be coming out... makes me a bit nervous, but the bodyman says no problem at all.
Allen
How many square feet is that :lol:......you just started too. Makes me feel like I am not taking enough.....say 300 only :-\
Quote from: The70RT on October 13, 2007, 06:03:05 PM
How many square feet is that :lol:......you just started too. Makes me feel like I am not taking enough.....say 300 only :-\
A lot of the pictures are the same shot over & over to try to get a perfectly clear one. This is especially true for the extreme closeups of things like the VIN plate, inspection sticker, VIN body markings, Etc. Typically I will take about a dozen, of which 2-3 will turn out really well.
The nice thing about digital pictures is that they are practically free once you buy the camera, so wasted shots are no big deal! :2thumbs:
Allen
Quote from: xs29j8Bullitt on October 13, 2007, 06:14:56 PM
Quote from: The70RT on October 13, 2007, 06:03:05 PM
How many square feet is that :lol:......you just started too. Makes me feel like I am not taking enough.....say 300 only :-\
A lot of the pictures are the same shot over & over to try to get a perfectly clear one. This is especially true for the extreme closeups of things like the VIN plate, inspection sticker, VIN body markings, Etc. Typically I will take about a dozen, of which 2-3 will turn out really well.
The nice thing about digital pictures is that they are practically free once you buy the camera, so wasted shots are no big deal! :2thumbs:
Allen
No pun intended. I hear ya. I probably deleted a lot because like you said sometimes you have to take a bunch to get a good one.
Intersting about the word "ON" or "NO" on your tailight. And you mention that it is on the drivers side one right? Was there anything wrote above the tail light? Just curious because of this photo that I just recently took of an unrestored 500. I'm working on resizing the photo's as I type this, so I'll post them in just a second. Takes a while when they are 10megs a piece.
This was the first time I had ever noticed the words on either tail light, so I have not seen a "YES" on one either. I was assuming it was a "ON", but if there was a "YES" on yours Jay, then it must be a "NO"
Okay here are two pictures of the tail lights with the word "NO" on them.
Jay, please take a photo of yours with the "YES" on it, that is if you don't mind.
Allen, your going to need to make a CD of your photo's of your car once your done. I love these types of shots. When I do finally get around to doing something like this on my car, you can bet that I'll probably shoot around 10,000 or so if not more. Heck I shot 493 of a car last weekend, and it wasn't even mine.
Speaking of tail lights 2 1095 bulbs are required
The first picture is the piece of the tail panel directly above the tail lights. It was centered over the center tail light, on the driver side, and the two words "NO" lined up with each other. Looks like different hand writing than the one on your car though Allen. At least not as fat of a grease pencil, and one appears to be white, while yours appears Yellow.
Quote from: 69_500 on October 13, 2007, 07:34:28 PM
Intersting about the word "ON" or "NO" on your tailight. And you mention that it is on the drivers side one right? Was there anything wrote above the tail light?
I assumed that it was written after the tail light was installed, so it would ne "NO" instead of "ON". Also, look at the way the "O" is written with it starting and finishing at the top of the letter...
Yes, it is on the driver's side. I will have to look later if anything else is written in the tail light area...
Allen
I'll have to ask some people who have other 69 Chargers that have taken them apart over the years if they have ever noticed this. Last weekend was the first time I had ever seen anything like this. Or at least the first time I noticed it, and took a picture of it.
Quote from: 69_500 on October 13, 2007, 07:50:25 PM
The first picture is the piece of the tail panel directly above the tail lights. It was centered over the center tail light, on the driver side, and the two words "NO" lined up with each other. Looks like different hand writing than the one on your car though Allen. At least not as fat of a grease pencil, and one appears to be white, while yours appears Yellow.
Yes, it is written in yellow grease pencil. The way the "N" is written is fairly unique and similar on both, so it might be the same writer... :shruggy:
When this saga finally is over, I will make you a photo CD! :2thumbs:
BTW, I posted a clearer picture showing the body color side marker bezel...
Allen
I'm no handwriting annalist though, so I really can't say. I'll leave that up to those in the secret service :coolgleamA:
Maybe whoever wrote it is like me, and it seems that my letters in my handwriting change from word to word, and sometimes in the same word.
Quote from: 69_500 on October 13, 2007, 08:06:49 PM
I'll have to ask some people who have other 69 Chargers that have taken them apart over the years if they have ever noticed this. Last weekend was the first time I had ever seen anything like this. Or at least the first time I noticed it, and took a picture of it.
Kind of weird that you, Jay, & I all found these within a two week period! :scope:
Allen
Anyone else?????
Baby Blue
Southern Blues
Got the Blues
Labatts Blue :lol:
Looking very good man!!! I love that colour! :cheers:
I do not see any sign of a second "NO" marking. There is a small chance that when I carefully remove the years of dust accumulation I may find one, but I doubt it.
Here are more pictures...
Allen
with only that one NO in yellow, my first impression was that it was a junkyard taillight. seeing other examples is freaky.
Quote from: pettybird on October 14, 2007, 12:57:03 PM
with only that one NO in yellow, my first impression was that it was a junkyard taillight. seeing other examples is freaky.
The "YES" on Jay's taillight housing is yellow also. So far it seems to be C500s only, with a spread of several months for Scheduled Production Dates...
Allen
Hey guys can i play along. Here are two No's on my C500 taillights. And my 69 SE parts car taillights have no markings on them.
Quote from: PocketThunder on October 14, 2007, 02:27:42 PM
Hey guys can i play along. Here are two No's on my C500 taillights. And my 69 SE parts car taillights have no markings on them.
Thanks for posting the pictures PT! The score is now 3 NOs, 1 YES... I have only one NO :icon_smile_dissapprove: :lol:
Other C500 owners?... Troy H. ???
Allen
Now you guys are going to make me pull mine out of the garage so that I can take a peek in my trunk.
So it looks like Jay is the odd man out, one more and he would be eliminated in baseball. 3 to 1. Maybe its a best of 392 series instead of 7.
Quote from: 69_500 on October 15, 2007, 04:20:04 PM
Now you guys are going to make me pull mine out of the garage so that I can take a peek in my trunk.
:yesnod: :popcrn: :icon_smile_big:
I'm on a diet. Ah, why not :popcrn:
I had to go and looked at my r/t no marking at all like the others
I just started a thread on Moparts about the markings, maybe someone will chime in...
http://board.moparts.org/ubbthreads/showflat.php?Cat=0&Number=3882179&an=0&page=0#Post3882179
Maybe it was used by drug smugglers and the No was for the cops not to check that housing :shruggy:
I'm pretty sure the "NO" was for stripe color painted bezels. :scratchchin: :stirthepot:
Quote from: PocketThunder on October 15, 2007, 06:11:47 PM
I'm pretty sure the "NO" was for stripe color painted bezels. :scratchchin: :stirthepot:
For a moment I visualized striped bezels... :eek2: :lol:
The thread on Moparts has someone saying that he has worked on two "YES" cars, and he posted a picture of one of them.
Score: YES - 3, NO -3... tie game, but it is earlier in the first quarter... :popcrn:
Allen
Quote from: PocketThunder on October 15, 2007, 06:11:47 PM
I'm pretty sure the "NO" was for stripe color painted bezels. :scratchchin: :stirthepot:
OH so I was wrong in the drug smuggling thing? :leaving:
Quote from: 70charger_boy on October 15, 2007, 06:25:56 PM
OH so I was wrong in the drug smuggling thing? :leaving:
Let's just say you could have been MORE correct... :pity: Actually makes as much sense as any of my theories so far... :P
Allen
The poster on Moparts says both the C500s he knew of with YES markings were sold new in Oregon... the same state Jay's YES car was sold new in... Could it be for the car to get a rear window defroster? ??? :scratchchin:
Allen
Food for thought. When was the YES or NO added, so far only 69 500 are known to have these markings. As we all know 500 were built on the Hamtramck assembly line, If the markings were put on there they were more than likely done when the car was about 1/2 compleat with tail lights being added but not the cover. After the cover was on a line worker did not see it, so was it at this point that the car receved something extra if it had a YES like mine. My 500 has full factory undercoating and rear defroster, and was dealer ordered, options that i bet not many 500 had. Or was it a signal that car was to be pulled off from the others for a quality inspection? Now if when the car was at creative they had to remove the tail light cover to take off the R/T emblem between the lights and install :shruggy: the new emblem, did this tell the workers to do something extra. Jay.
Quote from: WINGMAN on October 15, 2007, 07:10:55 PM
Food for thought. When was the YES or NO added, so far only 69 500 are known to have these markings. As we all know 500 were built on the Hamtramck assembly line, If the markings were put on there they were more than likely done when the car was about 1/2 compleat with tail lights being added but not the cover. After the cover was on a line worker did not see it, so was it at this point that the car receved something extra if it had a YES like mine. My 500 has full factory undercoating and rear defroster, and was dealer ordered, options that i bet not many 500 had. Or was it a signal that car was to be pulled off from the others for a quality inspection? Now if when the car was at creative they had to remove the tail light cover to take off the R/T emblem between the lights and install :shruggy: the new emblem, did this tell the workers to do something extra. Jay.
It is hard to say, but the plastic cover may have been one of the last pieces put on the car... especially if it was bound for Creative Industries for conversion. It could have meant to put a rear window defroster kit in the trunk for later installation at Creative... Just speculation on my part. :shruggy:
Allen
All this yes/no stuff.It was probally two line workers answering whether or not to go somewhere after their shift.
who have a daytona with rear defrost??????? check them for the yes/ no petty bird ????????????
Allen,
Ive actually never had my shield off.. Let me look... I was going to be a smarty pants at first and ask, "What makes you think it's NO? Why not "ON"? :icon_smile_big:
But, after seeing the "YES", I guess I'll retract that statment.. I'll check in the next day or two..
Troy
I'm too busy to get the car out today, but I'll try to do it before this weekend. Going to be gone all weekend, so couldn't do it then either.
Hmmm, makes me wanna actually check out a thread on Moparts now, and that doesn't happen often.
Could it be a first shift, second shift thing?
Okay so I couldn't wait any longer the suspense was killing me. I went out to the garage with a flashlight, and a screwdriver.
My car doesn't have either one wrote on the tail light. :RantExplode:
Quote from: 69_500 on October 16, 2007, 05:00:11 PM
Okay so I couldn't wait any longer the suspense was killing me. I went out to the garage with a flashlight, and a screwdriver.
My car doesn't have either one wrote on the tail light. :RantExplode:
Ha! Peasant. So far i'm the King! :nana:
:rotz: Not sure what your the King of though are ya? JK
Ah we can't all be winners can we? I lose.
Quote from: 69_500 on October 17, 2007, 04:21:44 PM
:rotz: Not sure what your the King of though are ya? JK
Ah we can't all be winners can we? I lose.
Nope, but it feels good! :cheers:
Quote from: moparstuart on October 16, 2007, 11:33:39 AM
who have a daytona with rear defrost??????? check them for the yes/ no petty bird ????????????
So far the markings have only been found on Charger 500s... and not all of them. We may never no, but it probably is related to a particular option... maybe Danny's database will eventually provide a probable answer. The rear defroster was just a WAG, its probably not the answer.
Maybe just a line worker fooling around... imagine workers on the new Challenger writing things to be found 30 years later...
Its just an interesting tangent story, but I need to get back to work on the C500 this weekend!!!
Allen
Quote from: hemi68charger on October 16, 2007, 12:34:48 PM
Allen,
Ive actually never had my shield off.. Let me look... I was going to be a smarty pants at first and ask, "What makes you think it's NO? Why not "ON"? :icon_smile_big:
But, after seeing the "YES", I guess I'll retract that statment.. I'll check in the next day or two..
Troy
If its "ON", the guy was a really bad speller!!! :lol:
Quote from: 69_500 on October 16, 2007, 05:00:11 PM
Okay so I couldn't wait any longer the suspense was killing me. I went out to the garage with a flashlight, and a screwdriver.
My car doesn't have either one wrote on the tail light. :RantExplode:
Thanks for checking... now it will be just like a song you can't get out of your head... :brickwall: :icon_smile_big:
Add another column to your spreadsheet, and let the 'puter figure it out...
I guess your car is a "MAYBE"... ;) In fact you should have photoshopped it in! :smilielol:
Not an important issue... but interesting.
Allen
I wish that the guy who posted on Moparts would contact me back. I wanted to know which 2 cars it was that he worked out, so that I could mark them in the spreadsheet as well. I'm making an extra column just for the YES and NO.
I'm wondering, but Jay's car is the only one of the three from this board that has the A01 light package group. Which would require someone to remount the light bracket in the trunk at Creative after the installation of the plug. I am hoping the guy on Moparts writes me back, and lets me know if the other two cars he saw with the "YES" all had the A01 light package. So far t hat is the only thing that makes sense to me. Would be a simple message/note to remind someone that they needed to remount the light bracket after the installation of the plug. Makes me want to know what Geno's Daytona had on it, as someone had mistakenly mounted the light bracket after installing his plug, and then took it back off. So I'm wondering if his said "YES, OOOOOPS I MEAN NO". Maybe it went from the drivers taillight, all of the way around the trunk lip. JK
Hey Allen! Great post, see the old BULLITT Charger is still in hibernation too. Hope to watch this resto with interest!
XS
Quote from: XS29J8 on October 20, 2007, 07:22:32 AM
Hey Allen! Great post, see the old BULLITT Charger is still in hibernation too. Hope to watch this resto with interest!
XS
Hi Steve... Kind of weird seeing "XS29J8" reply to my post! ;) This was to be Bullitt's turn at restoration, but I had a last minute change of plans. I am not sure if it was more a result of contracting Aero Car fever, or a logical decision to delay the '68 Charger to see what top quality reproductions will come out in the next year... the taillight sets are already on order, and I have already received some components like lenses & lense bezels ("cans")... EXCELLENT REPRODUCTIONS from BEAPARTS!!! Glad to have you watching Steve... :yesnod:
Well, another weekend with less progress than planned. :brickwall: Made some progress on Friday afternoon / evening on the back end of the car & started on the interior removal. It is slow going with about 25% of fasteners refusing to move, and others breaking off or rounding off the head. Some, like about 50% of the Phillips screws holding on the wheel opening moldings will have to be drilled out...
I had planned to spend all of Saturday on the C500, but I got a call from a friend who needed part of his fleet of Mopars moved. He has helped me numerous times before, so I was more than happy to help. Counting travel time, it was a 12 hour task which took care of Saturday!
Below are a few pictures from Friday...
XS
Allen, how many slipes are in the trunk rubber? Is it one continuous piece? Are the corners split, or just pinched to make corners?
I'm nosey aren't I? Was the vacuum canister still under the battery tray in your car? Where were the vacuum hoses cut on your car?
Quote from: 69_500 on October 21, 2007, 05:16:03 PM
Allen, how many slipes are in the trunk rubber? Is it one continuous piece? Are the corners split, or just pinched to make corners?
I'm nosey aren't I? Was the vacuum canister still under the battery tray in your car? Where were the vacuum hoses cut on your car?
:shruggy: :shruggy: :shruggy: :lol:
I will have to have another look at the C500 to answer a lot of your questions... But I will take a few guesses for now.
Trunk gasket - From my existing pictures, it looks like the gasket was (poorly) installed as two pieces starting and stopping roughly at the center of the top & bottom of the trunk opening. Because the top corners have a somewhat rounded appearance, but still take a 90 deg turn, I am guessing they "V" notched but did not fully cut the corners.
Vacuum canister/hoses - Once again from existing pictures, no vacuum canister, but the engine bay was repainted by a previous owner... The vacuum hoses were bundled up with black tape, I am guessing there was no vacuum canister (removed by Creative?).
Although a lot of things are probably original on my C500, it is definitely not a "go-by" car. I will have a better look... other questions? :scratchchin:
Allen
I'm just nosey i guess. I just like to know from car to car how they are found. Some are 1 gasket, some are like how you said yours is. Some have 1 gasket and still have the corners slit about 3/4 of the way to make the 90's. Others just have the corners folded to make the turn.
Vacuum canisters are a whole other issue. Only a few of the cars I've looked at had the canister after it left creative. But its not totally uncommon.
The hoses on the other hand are all over the place. Some cut off at firewall, others about 2" out from firewall, others are still full length like they go to the canister.
Quote from: 69_500 on October 21, 2007, 08:33:34 PM
I'm just nosey i guess. I just like to know from car to car how they are found. Some are 1 gasket, some are like how you said yours is. Some have 1 gasket and still have the corners slit about 3/4 of the way to make the 90's. Others just have the corners folded to make the turn.
Vacuum canisters are a whole other issue. Only a few of the cars I've looked at had the canister after it left creative. But its not totally uncommon.
The hoses on the other hand are all over the place. Some cut off at firewall, others about 2" out from firewall, others are still full length like they go to the canister.
Like I said before... I am going to pretend Creative used temp help the day they modified my C500, and unlike their regular crew the temps gave a damn about what they were doing... For example, I plan to do the trunk gasket differently, like omitting the 1/4 inch "ventilation" gap at the top of the trunk opening... :P
BTW, looks like the hoses would be full length if untaped... :shruggy:
Allen
Well according to a person me and Gene were talking to this weekend Creative was known around the area of hiring people right from the unemployment lines. He was telling us they would just go over there in the morning, get a crew and put them to work for the day.
I don't think that there was supposed to be any seams in the trunk seal other than the one spot where it would wrap back around to. But it seems that many of them had small pieces placed in to make up for where someone mistakenly cut the strip too short, or messed up on a corner, and had to put in a second piece.
Well, if I don't get a phone call tonight to change my plans like happened the past two weekends, I will get back to taking the C500 apart tomorrow. With the greater than expected problems with removing fasteners in place for almost 39 years, it is going to be sloooow going! :P
One problem that held me up during my last effort was removing the bezel nut holding the driver's door mirror remote control. My usual way of removing the nut is by using a pair of needle-nose pliers as a spanner wrench, but the nut is not budging. A seller on eBay "johnscudas" has special tools to remove these and other unusual fasteners... anyone ever use his special tools? I am probably going to order some. The bezel nut and door pad are in nice shape, so I don't want to take a chance of damaging them.
Also, who offers the best quality Charger nameplate reproductions (with studs, not stick-on)? Anyone reproduce the Charger 500 nameplates (especially the taillight panel one)?
Lastly, a picture of me with the C500 yesterday... :icon_smile_big: Alright, lets have none of this... :hah:
Allen
You sure that's you Allen? :hah: JK
Figured someone had to do it.
Looking forward to more and more photo's. I'll admit it I have a soft spot for 500's for some reason.
OH MY GOD!! You're OLD!! :lol:
Seriously though, you should be able to make a tool for that mirror nut by grinding slots in an old socket.
Then you can turn the socket with a ratchet...
taillight housings in my car have been changed...
the problem i have with it being an added option is why would some cars have things written on both sides? like, super yes it gets undercoated?
I still think that the "YES" has to do with the A01 light package. I think it meant "YES" cut off the light bracket, and reinstall it on the new trunk lip for this car. Or "NO" don't remove it because this one doesn't have the trunk light option.
Made some progress today, even with a swarm of 75-100 Yellow Jacket hornets buzzing all around along with about 20 red wasps... I have know about some large nests high in the building and on the outside of it also. I hit the nests with wasp & hornet spray this evening, but most of the hornets were gone... I should have taken care of the problem several weeks ago.
Below are a few pictures...
Allen
I found a spare set of keys in a magnetic "key hider" box stuck to the headlight brackets on the passenger side of the car.
I looked at the way the trunk seal is installed at the front corner, and as I expected the gasket was "V" notched about 3/4 of the width to allow the gasket to make the sharp 90 degree turn. See pictures below...
Allen
So you found my spare set of keys? Good job.
Looks like all is coming along pretty good. Do you think that any of the electrical wiring has been replaced over the years? Just curious. I'm starting to get nosey on how they wrapped the wiring, and where it was taped and such. Guess I'm getting a little weird on trying to figure out how these cars were put together. What about the bolts that hold the front grille in? When looking at another C500 that was being taken apart, they appeared to have the bolts converted to make them longer. They looked like they took 2 bolts, cut the head off of one, then electrical taped the two together to make them longer.
Quote from: Magnumcharger on November 02, 2007, 08:25:04 PM
OH MY GOD!! You're OLD!! :lol:
Yep... Just like you!!! :icon_smile_wink:
Well, at 52 I still have a full head of hair (with just a bit of gray) & all my teeth... so it could be worse! :yesnod:
XS
Quote from: 69_500 on November 03, 2007, 07:24:03 PM
So you found my spare set of keys?
Caught that on the second reading... :lol:
Quote from: 69_500 on November 03, 2007, 07:24:03 PM
Looks like all is coming along pretty good. Do you think that any of the electrical wiring has been replaced over the years? Just curious. I'm starting to get nosey on how they wrapped the wiring, and where it was taped and such. Guess I'm getting a little weird on trying to figure out how these cars were put together.
Wiring looked original, I took pictures showing the routing... I will have a closer look at it later.
Quote from: 69_500 on November 03, 2007, 07:24:03 PM
What about the bolts that hold the front grille in? When looking at another C500 that was being taken apart, they appeared to have the bolts converted to make them longer. They looked like they took 2 bolts, cut the head off of one, then electrical taped the two together to make them longer.
Are you asking about the 7/16 head bolts holding the grille brackets to the latch tray & other structure? Everything looked normal (for a Coronet installation)... Electric tape holding a bolt together?!? :scratchchin:
I am bagging & tagging all the hardware I am removing... let me know what you want to see. BTW, noticed the extended hood latch release mechanism arm for the first time... :eek2:
Allen
Here are a couple of pictures showing the headlight wiring & grille mounting before dis-assembly...
Allen
Quote from: xs29j8Bullitt on November 03, 2007, 07:25:13 PM
Quote from: Magnumcharger on November 02, 2007, 08:25:04 PM
OH MY GOD!! You're OLD!! :lol:
Yep... Just like you!!! :icon_smile_wink:
Well, at 52 I still have a full head of hair (with just a bit of gray) & all my teeth... so it could be worse! :yesnod:
XS
Well you definately hit the nail on the head with that!! I've got all my hair, and teeth as well (I'm 45).
Don't you think it's sad when we can brag about that? :eek2:
And just to stay on the Charger-theme...you're pictures are great! Good job in documenting this process!
Paint in the engine compartment looks pretty good still. Was it resprayed? Are you leaving it? Which years had the rad support front area painted black?
Yeah bolts taped together to make them longer. I'll have to see if I have any photo's of it, but I'm sure I do. I tend to take pictures of the oddest things, its just a matter of locating those pictures when I need them. I take too many to remember them all.
Looks like the whole process is coming along pretty well. Hope to see it on the road in the next 2 years. Then once you get tired of driving it, you'll come to the notion of trading it for an R4 red AT car. That is once you get tired of shifting your own gears, and prefer the slower pace of letting the tranny do the work for you.
Allen..
Man, it's great to see the progress in dismantlement you're doing... It'll be nice to see you in something other than that dang yellow E-body of yours.. :icon_smile_big:
I'm sure this will be one fine looking C500 as you are a true Mopar craftsman......... Doesn't hurt that she's one of the best looking colors MaMopar ever created........
Troy
Quote from: Magnumcharger on November 04, 2007, 10:59:26 AM
Well you definately hit the nail on the head with that!! I've got all my hair, and teeth as well (I'm 45).
Don't you think it's sad when we can brag about that? :eek2:
And just to stay on the Charger-theme...you're pictures are great! Good job in documenting this process!
My next high school reunion is next year... reunions generally makes me feel fairly fortunate. :lol:
I am glad you like the pictures, but I thought I would be much farther along by now. :P
Allen
:popcrn: more intresting pictures Allen , thanks for sharing them :yesnod:
Quote from: The70RT on November 04, 2007, 11:07:56 AM
Paint in the engine compartment looks pretty good still. Was it resprayed? Are you leaving it? Which years had the rad support front area painted black?
I have been in touch with a previous owner who painted the engine compartment in about 1982, but never put the car back on the road. The engine bay still looks great after all these years! Phil is looking for pictures from when he owned the car, and was very excited to hear it still survives!!!
The entire car will be media blasted before restoration, including the engine bay. I believe the areas visible through the grille should be black for all Gen II Chargers.
Allen
Quote from: 69_500 on November 04, 2007, 12:00:08 PM
Yeah bolts taped together to make them longer. I'll have to see if I have any photo's of it, but I'm sure I do. I tend to take pictures of the oddest things, its just a matter of locating those pictures when I need them. I take too many to remember them all.
WOW, this I gotta see! :popcrn:
Quote from: 69_500 on November 04, 2007, 12:00:08 PM
Then once you get tired of driving it, you'll come to the notion of trading it for an R4 red AT car. That is once you get tired of shifting your own gears, and prefer the slower pace of letting the tranny do the work for you.
:scratchchin: I gotta admit you hang on to a notion of trading like a pitbull! :lol: Next you will try to convince me that it is my destiny to have a matching set of Dodge aero cars... :lol: After what I will probably go through during restoration (work & money), the C500 & I will probably be mine for a long time...
Allen
Quote from: hemi68charger on November 04, 2007, 12:52:59 PM
Allen..
Man, it's great to see the progress in dismantlement you're doing... It'll be nice to see you in something other than that dang yellow E-body of yours.. :icon_smile_big:
I'm sure this will be one fine looking C500 as you are a true Mopar craftsman......... Doesn't hurt that she's one of the best looking colors MaMopar ever created........
Troy
:shruggy: Whats wrong with Ole Yeller... ??? But yeah, I know what you mean... :P
Allen
Quote from: tan top on November 04, 2007, 04:02:32 PM
:popcrn: more intresting pictures Allen , thanks for sharing them :yesnod:
Glad you like the pics! Trying not to get too carried away with the posting... too late Huh? :icon_smile_big:
Allen
Caried away, your just getting started. Look at the intrerest already in the restoration. 8 pages of post, and the car is barely taken apart at this point.
Yeah I tend to snatch on to things and not let them go. Just ask my wife, she will tell you I'm stubborn. :brickwall:
Jerry Narramore's 500 had the spacers taped together for the grill mounting.We were just talking about that The Forge show a couple of weeks ago. By the way I saw a picture of Allen from a NHOA meet in the early 80's and you have changed a lot--congratulations. Brent
Jerry's Charger is the exact one that I'm thinking of for those bolts Brent. The other one was a HEMI 500 I looked at over in Ohio a few years back. Its one of those things that I haven't really looked for on others but noticed on the one, and Jerry mentioned it as being that way on his car.
Quote from: notabird on November 07, 2007, 05:49:43 PM
Jerry Narramore's 500 had the spacers taped together for the grill mounting.We were just talking about that The Forge show a couple of weeks ago.
Brent, are you & Danny talking about the "long" grille spacers on the outboard ends of the grille (see picture below). I did not notice when I was taking it off, but it does appear taped in this picture from the other day.
Quote from: notabird on November 07, 2007, 05:49:43 PM
By the way I saw a picture of Allen from a NHOA meet in the early 80's and you have changed a lot--congratulations. Brent
:eek2: Thanks! Did you see the picture in one of my albums at Monster Mopar or in someone else's pictures? I generally tried to hide behind some cover in pictures back in the 1980s... notice how good I look taking cover in the picture below!!! :2thumbs: :coolgleamA: :icon_smile_big:
Allen
God Bless America! :patriot:
Quote from: xs29j8Bullitt on November 07, 2007, 08:34:28 PM
Quote from: notabird on November 07, 2007, 05:49:43 PM
Jerry Narramore's 500 had the spacers taped together for the grill mounting.We were just talking about that The Forge show a couple of weeks ago.
Brent, are you & Danny talking about the "long" grille spacers on the outboard ends of the grille (see picture below). I did not notice when I was taking it off, but it does appear taped in this picture from the other day.
Quote from: notabird on November 07, 2007, 05:49:43 PM
By the way I saw a picture of Allen from a NHOA meet in the early 80's and you have changed a lot--congratulations. Brent
:eek2: Thanks! Did you see the picture in one of my albums at Monster Mopar or in someone else's pictures? I generally tried to hide behind some cover in pictures back in the 1980s... notice how good I look taking cover in the picture below!!! :2thumbs: :coolgleamA: :icon_smile_big:
Allen
wow i need to get on your diet allen
After a week of battling the hornets, I thought the war was about over... it is not! :brickwall:
I started out with three days of "shock & awe" followed by two days of chasing stragglers... used 7 cans of wasp & hornet spray.
Today I went into the workshop to get back to work on taking the C500 apart, but discovered there is still a major infestation of "Yellow Jackets"... :P I spent the day trying to find the source of the hundreds of hornets that I still saw today, with no luck so far.
One of the main problems is that many of the nests are about 19 feet high, and only about 20% of the stream of wasp killer reaches them. Also, some of the nests are near cars with fresh paint jobs, like the Challenger Convertible & Limelight 'Cuda... I do not want to take a chance the overspray would stain the paint!
Below are some pictures...
Allen
As I said before there are still several hundred milling around when I open the overhead door, making me suspect there is a nest near the door or behind some insulation... :pullinghair:
The hornets gather in small groups or mill around the rooftop... see the pictures below.
Anyone know of a industrial strength Wasp & hornet sray with an advertised reach of 28-30 feet... the sprays rated at 22 feet won't even make 19 feet...
Allen
Quote from: xs29j8Bullitt on November 10, 2007, 07:38:29 PMAnyone know of a industrial strength Wasp & hornet sray with an advertised reach of 28-30 feet... the sprays rated at 22 feet won't even make 19 feet...
Allen
I'm a huge fan of being a do-it-yourselfer, but in this case i might have to suggest calling in the professionals. :shruggy:
Unless you feel comfortable getting up on a 8 or 10 foot ladder and then squirting them with the Hornet Spray cans. :scratchchin:
oh the horror of that murder seen LOL
Tell ya what Allen. I'll come down to Texas and kill all of those by hand in exchange for one of those funky wing cars you have? I'll get rid of all your winged creatures for you gladly. :D
Quote from: PocketThunder on November 11, 2007, 10:32:52 PM
I'm a huge fan of being a do-it-yourselfer, but in this case i might have to suggest calling in the professionals. :shruggy:
Unless you feel comfortable getting up on a 8 or 10 foot ladder and then squirting them with the Hornet Spray cans. :scratchchin:
I had considered that, but I am concerned about collateral damage to some cars... mainly the ones with new paint (Challenger Convertible & Hemi `Cuda). No ladder climbing to battle hornets by me !!! :eek2:
But I am changing course... :yesnod: When I started this project almost three months ago, I decided to use some of the strategies that I used to lose weight several years ago. One of the basic rules was that if one approach was not working anymore, try another... and another...
Sooooooo, today I called the paint & body shop to schedule having the Charger 500 picked up next Tuesday (Nov 20th). Between now and then I will try to get more dis-assembly work done, but even if I don't get another screw taken out the car is going (unless the weather or paint shop causes a reschedule). It will be a bit more money out of my pocket for them to finish taking the car apart, but worth it to get the car in work. The last month has provided very little progess for a variety of reasons... time to grab another gear!
Quote from: 69_500 on November 12, 2007, 05:17:39 PM
Tell ya what Allen. I'll come down to Texas and kill all of those by hand in exchange for one of those funky wing cars you have? I'll get rid of all your winged creatures for you gladly. :D
While the visual of you squaring off against several hundred Yellow Jackets in hand to stinger combat sounds entertaining, I'll pass... :lol: Maybe I should train the Yellow Jackets as guard hornets... they could pass for Scat Pack Bees that lost weight! :icon_smile_big:
BTW Danny, did you see the picture that I posted above... is the spacer the part you are talking about being taped together? ???
Allen
To answer your question Allen, yes. The spacer that you have the arrow drawn to is the one that I'm talking about.
Ok...I have to ask....How did you get so skinny?
Inquiring minds want to know.
allen, I saw your picture in Jerry Narramore's album.Jerry and his dad went to a NHOA meet in the early 80's .I think he took his 500 and broke the camshaft in the hemi on the way home.Brent
Thats a pretty good story that Jerry tells of his camshaft breaking, and then actually still driving the car home.
Quote from: Magnumcharger on November 13, 2007, 12:25:16 AM
Ok...I have to ask....How did you get so skinny?
Inquiring minds want to know.
PhotoShop? :shruggy: :smilielol:
Skinny?!? ME? :faint: THANKS! But I want to lose at least another 20 pounds!
Started a new thread about it in the Off Topic forum:
http://www.dodgecharger.com/forum/index.php/topic,36148.0.html
Probably more than you wanted to know...
Allen
Made some progress in the last several days in the dis-assembly of the Charger 500. I have been taking a lot of pictures, especially of the C500 specific... I'm sure I will miss some things though...
I have been "bagging & tagging" small parts & attaching hardware to make re-assembly easier. So far I have found little additional damage when removing parts, mostly B5 Blue painted metal under the trim...
I have a growing pile of parts behind the C500 that I will sort through after the car leaves for the paint shop...
Allen
I took the A-Pillar chrome moldings off today, stopping only to admire Creative Industries' craftsmanship... :eek2: :brickwall:
Each was retained by 6 screws... 4 on the aft/outboard side (in door opening), and 2 on the ends of molding for the edge at the windshield gasket. The center two tabs on the windshield gasket side did not have fasteners installed (the 2 locations pointed out in the picture below).
Allen
Allen, be REAL careful when installing those deflectors after she's painted.... The top edge is ever so close to the roof sheetmetal. It would be a shame to scratch the paint....... Looks to be in great shape...........
Troy
Well, I made it as far as I could with the dis-assembly with the on-going battles with the #%&$!!! hornets. I stopped work at dusk today, and the C500 is spending it's last night in the workshop for a while...
I talked to the owner of the paint & body shop today, and confirmed they will pick up the car tomorrow morning... :yesnod:
So here she is as the restoration is finally about to begin! :2thumbs:
Allen
Quote from: hemi68charger on November 19, 2007, 09:32:28 PM
Allen, be REAL careful when installing those deflectors after she's painted.... The top edge is ever so close to the roof sheetmetal. It would be a shame to scratch the paint....... Looks to be in great shape...........
Troy
Your'e right Troy... remind me in a year or so. Putting 'em back on seems sooooo far away! :P
Allen
Elvis has left the building!
XS :cheers:
Quote from: xs29j8Bullitt on November 20, 2007, 03:39:46 PM
Elvis has left the building!
XS :cheers:
did you cry seeing it leave or shout for joy it's getting restored ?k
I don't know how you guys do it. I don't know if I could send my car off somewhere to get it done. Then again I know that I'm not capable of doing all the work it needs so its a catch 22.
I hope it turns out excelent Allen. Will continue to follow its progress.
Quote from: moparstuart on November 20, 2007, 05:55:14 PM
Quote from: xs29j8Bullitt on November 20, 2007, 03:39:46 PM
Elvis has left the building!
XS :cheers:
did you cry seeing it leave or shout for joy it's getting restored ?k
Both really, but mostly relief that the restoration has officially begun a few days before the C500's 39th "birthday" of December 4th...
Like an over-protective mother hen, I have already called the paint shop to make sure the Charger 500 would not spend the night outside tonight. With the back glass still in place, I was concerned about vandalism. :P
By the time I called, someone had already "found" the C500 and wanted to buy it! :eek2: :eek2: :eek2:
Lee, if you are reading this... IT IS NOT FOR SALE!
Allen
Good deal Allen. I'm sure yours will probably be done before mine is. Can't wait to see the B5 blue. It seems like a Charger can't set anywhere very long before the vultures spot it :laugh:
Awesome Allen... It'll be GREAT and I can't wait to see it... Yours is getting there and mines about done.... By year's end, I'll have mine for sure and DONE !!!!! No thanks to Mr. Smitty.........
Hey Allen, look on the bright side. A few people on here tried to talk ya out of it even before you sent it off to be fixed. So you can't blame Lee for wanting it now either. :yesnod:
Quote from: The70RT on November 20, 2007, 07:47:12 PM
Good deal Allen. I'm sure yours will probably be done before mine is. Can't wait to see the B5 blue. It seems like a Charger can't set anywhere very long before the vultures spot it :laugh:
Nothing I ever do goes according to schedule... even this soon into the restoration I am about 5 weeks behind...
Having been a Mopar "vulture" myself (reformed now o'course... :icon_smile_wink: ), I guess I shouldn't complain. The ones that irritate me most are the guys that ask about "that old blue Dodge" and then give me some BS story about wanting it for a father/son project...
Allen
Quote from: hemi68charger on November 20, 2007, 08:18:51 PM
Awesome Allen... It'll be GREAT and I can't wait to see it... Yours is getting there and mines about done.... By year's end, I'll have mine for sure and DONE !!!!! No thanks to Mr. Smitty.........
Great to hear your Hemi Charger is coming along so well now! :2thumbs:
My Charger is just in the starter's gate (get the "Charger" horse analogy... :icon_smile_wink: )...
Allen
Quote from: 69_500 on November 20, 2007, 08:40:41 PM
Hey Allen, look on the bright side. A few people on here tried to talk ya out of it even before you sent it off to be fixed. So you can't blame Lee for wanting it now either. :yesnod:
You are right Danny... Counting Lee, 7 folks have tried to relieve me of the C500 burden in the last 3 months (including 4 on this forum).
As I start to burn through money I may regret my answer... I spent $6471.45 on the Charger 500 today! :faint: NO, I am not re-considering! :nana:
Allen
Congrats on getting the project rolling Allen! It'll be great to see that beautiful blue beast back on the road!
Actually, my hemi charger is going to be picked up tomorrow to have a prospective shop look the car over - if I decide I'm going to use them (American Classic Cars in Conroe - know anything about them?) they said they could start on it the first week of Dec... so we'll see... we might both be driving "new" cars around the same time!
BZ
Quote from: bzabodyn on November 20, 2007, 10:43:35 PM
Congrats on getting the project rolling Allen! It'll be great to see that beautiful blue beast back on the road!
Actually, my hemi charger is going to be picked up tomorrow to have a prospective shop look the car over - if I decide I'm going to use them (American Classic Cars in Conroe - know anything about them?) they said they could start on it the first week of Dec... so we'll see... we might both be driving "new" cars around the same time!
BZ
Thanks Brandon! I have not heard of them, BUT be very careful in picking a restoration shop... especially one that does not mainly restore Mopars. There are more restoration disasters than victories... Even if the multi-make resto shop is a honest one, their lack of Mopar experience can lead to major problems down the road... What happened to the first shop that you were considering?
The shop I went with is a shop that does regular paint & body repairs as well as restoration "show" quality work. I looked at several nice jobs that the shop had done before selecting them. The owner is a Mopar fan and has several current Mopars, including a 1970 Charger R/T 440 car. Still, there are no guarantees...
Again, BE CAREFUL... don't depend on promises of perfection... CHECK REFERENCES... MOPAR ONES!!!
Maybe, Troy H. or other Houston area members know that shop...
Allen
Quote from: xs29j8Bullitt on November 20, 2007, 09:15:46 PM
I spent $6471.45 on the Charger 500 today! :faint:
What did you buy??? :popcrn:
Quote from: xs29j8Bullitt on November 20, 2007, 09:15:46 PM
Quote from: 69_500 on November 20, 2007, 08:40:41 PM
Hey Allen, look on the bright side. A few people on here tried to talk ya out of it even before you sent it off to be fixed. So you can't blame Lee for wanting it now either. :yesnod:
You are right Danny... Counting Lee, 7 folks have tried to relieve me of the C500 burden in the last 3 months (including 4 on this forum).
As I start to burn through money I may regret my answer... I spent $6471.45 on the Charger 500 today! :faint: NO, I am not re-considering! :nana:
Allen
hey allen wanna sell your charger 500 ( sorry couldnt resist) add one more
Allen wanna trade for my C500 in T7 bronze? Dont you like that color better than B5? Plus my car is a HEMI car :o (well, sort of :icon_smile_big: )
Quote from: PocketThunder on November 21, 2007, 10:21:02 AM
Allen wanna trade for my C500 in T7 bronze? Dont you like that color better than B5? Plus my car is a HEMI car :o (well, sort of :icon_smile_big: )
hill side hemi
Quote from: 69bronzeT5 on November 20, 2007, 11:53:55 PM
Quote from: xs29j8Bullitt on November 20, 2007, 09:15:46 PM
I spent $6471.45 on the Charger 500 today! :faint:
What did you buy??? :popcrn:
Down payment for paint & body work, payment for media blasting, misc parts for restoration including NOS head light bezel to go with a NOS grille that I bought 25 years ago (before I even owned the C500).
Spending more money today... just got off the phone with Ron over at Classic Body Designs... ordered a pair of his reproduction 1969 Charger quarter panels. Time to get this show on the road!
Allen
wow, sounds like your moving ahead at a steady pace :cheers: :2thumbs:
Quote from: moparstuart on November 21, 2007, 10:13:27 AM
Quote from: xs29j8Bullitt on November 20, 2007, 09:15:46 PM
Counting Lee, 7 folks have tried to relieve me of the C500 burden in the last 3 months (including 4 on this forum).
hey allen wanna sell your charger 500 ( sorry couldnt resist) add one more
That makes it 8 & 5... duly noted! :icon_smile_big:
Allen
Quote from: PocketThunder on November 21, 2007, 10:21:02 AM
Allen wanna trade for my C500 in T7 bronze? Dont you like that color better than B5? Plus my car is a HEMI car :o (well, sort of :icon_smile_big: )
9 & 6 ... Sorry, B5 Rules! :coolgleamA: Just be glad your Sorta-Hemi is a Real-C500 !!! :2thumbs:
Allen
Okay so I get that the father son project line doesn't work. But how about this one.
It could be a grandpa-dad-son project if ya just let me take it off of your hands. You know my dad had a fondness for these cars, as I do, and well I've already corrupted the 4 year old son as well.
Couldn't resist. Heck I figured that in 20 years of ownership you would have already located all the parts you needed to fix that 500. I thought that was what the trunk was full of.
Quote from: xs29j8Bullitt on November 20, 2007, 11:18:05 PM
Quote from: bzabodyn on November 20, 2007, 10:43:35 PM
Congrats on getting the project rolling Allen! It'll be great to see that beautiful blue beast back on the road!
Actually, my hemi charger is going to be picked up tomorrow to have a prospective shop look the car over - if I decide I'm going to use them (American Classic Cars in Conroe - know anything about them?) they said they could start on it the first week of Dec... so we'll see... we might both be driving "new" cars around the same time!
BZ
Thanks Brandon! I have not heard of them, BUT be very careful in picking a restoration shop... especially one that does not mainly restore Mopars. There are more restoration disasters than victories... Even if the multi-make resto shop is a honest one, their lack of Mopar experience can lead to major problems down the road... What happened to the first shop that you were considering?
The shop I went with is a shop that does regular paint & body repairs as well as restoration "show" quality work. I looked at several nice jobs that the shop had done before selecting them. The owner is a Mopar fan and has several current Mopars, including a 1970 Charger R/T 440 car. Still, there are no guarantees...
Again, BE CAREFUL... don't depend on promises of perfection... CHECK REFERENCES... MOPAR ONES!!!
Maybe, Troy H. or other Houston area members know that shop...
Allen
Thanks for the advice Allen - I haven't guaranteed them anything, but after meeting a couple of people from their shop, they definitely have the experience with Mopars to tackle this project (the owner and his son are Mopar-heads themselves) - for instance, one of their best repeat customers is a huge Mopar guy and some cars in his collection that they've restored for him include a '70 hemi charger and a hemi daytona! :o They picked up the car today and I'm meeting with them Saturday to discuss the process step-by-step before I decide if I'd like to use them or not... just for good will, they even said they'd ship it to the shop in Taylor if I decided NOT to use them, so we'll see...
BZ
I received word from Ron over at Classic Body Design that the quarter panels were shipped last friday and he will provide a tracking number tomorrow. I am making a list of needed parts and starting to track them down, and expect to post "wanted" ads in a week or so.
I am also trying to create a list of preferred vendors for reproduction parts... spending a lot of time and money.
I checked earlier... the C500 is still gone! :icon_smile_wink: :lol:
Allen
I think the other Mopars need some love too :pity: :icon_smile_wink:
How did I miss this. :popcrn:
Quote from: 69bronzeT5 on November 25, 2007, 11:16:49 PM
I think the other Mopars need some love too :pity: :icon_smile_wink:
are they lonely ?
Allen, I'm thinking since you've done your homework on the various restoration facilities, you've probably worked out a budget for the restoration itself.
I would be interested in knowing how much you plan to spend to get your C500 completely restored. Then, it would be interesting to compare your projection to the actual totals.
I can't remember who said it first on this forum, but it was stated that it would probably cost the same to restore a base Charger as any of the high performance (Hemi R/T, 440 R/T, 500) variants.
I think he could have restored that 500 for about $500 if he really wanted too. JK.
I've thought about redoing my car and the list I've already came up with, totalled $15,000 and that didn't include body work, or paint. If that gives you any clue. Then again I'm picky, not as picky as GENE but picky.
Quote from: 69_500 on November 26, 2007, 05:46:45 PM
Then again I'm picky, not as picky as GENE but picky.
:icon_smile_blackeye:
I didn't start out to be so picky, but the more I learned about how the cars were put together the more it intrigued me to try and replicate that look. Then I did my usual "Wellllllllll, while I'm at it..." justification for lots of other things I hadn't planned on when I first bought the car.
BTW, thanks for reminding me... :slap:
Hey Allen - good to see the wheels of progress in motion on your car. Be careful with making those lists - they tend to snowball on ya (or at least they do on me)!
Quote from: Magnumcharger on November 26, 2007, 11:54:57 AM
Allen, I'm thinking since you've done your homework on the various restoration facilities, you've probably worked out a budget for the restoration itself.
I would be interested in knowing how much you plan to spend to get your C500 completely restored. Then, it would be interesting to compare your projection to the actual totals.
I can't remember who said it first on this forum, but it was stated that it would probably cost the same to restore a base Charger as any of the high performance (Hemi R/T, 440 R/T, 500) variants.
The budget has been on my mind a LOT in the last week... :eek2: :eek2: :eek2: :eek2: :eek2: :eek2: :eek2: :eek2:
First of all to put the numbers in context, here were my assumptions:
* I would do virtually all of the dis-assembly of the C500 (came up a bit shy of this goal, but close...)
* I would "sub-contract" out many of the component restorations (steering column, dash cluster, heater box, etc)
* I would have the "special skills" tasks done locally (seat cover instl, windshield/back glass instl, C500 stripe application, molding polishing, etc)
* I would have the engine long block assembled, 4 speed trans & Dana axle freshened, etc by local or out-of-state builders
* I would do the parts clean-up/detailing, parts hunting, and "project management" during the time the car was in the paint & body shop
* I would do the finally assembly of the C500 starting next Fall or Winter
* Parts used would primarily be the original ones, spares I already have, or NOS parts already on hand
* Reproduction parts used would primarily be sheetmetal (Auto Metal Direct as the primary provider)
Things have changed... more than a bit! :icon_smile_blackeye:
Original budget made on 9/15/07 - $28,000 + $3,000 Reserve = $31,000
Revision 'A' made on 10/1/07 - $32,000 + $3000 Reserve = $35,000 (after the paint shop owner had a look at the car and estimated $$$)
Revision 'B' is in work... will probably end up in the lower 40s with reserve... :scratchchin: :P :eek2: :brickwall:
I am trying to get a handle on the lastest changes (new estimate from paint shop, quarter panels from CBD instead of AMD, repro door pads, etc)
With other planned capital expenses not related to the C500, there exists a classic shortfall in funding... eBay will be part of the solution...
As for restoring a base Charger vs a Charger 500, there are other considerations besides the similar basic costs... There will come a day when Danny, Geno, and other Aero Car gurus will inspect the final product, and I don't want too many of these: :slap: My C500 is not going to be a "Gold Standard" restoration... I am gonna drive it on actual roads! I don't plan to get too carried away with the restoration, but there are already warning signs... :yesnod:
Allen
Quote from: hemigeno on November 26, 2007, 06:21:49 PM
Hey Allen - good to see the wheels of progress in motion on your car. Be careful with making those lists - they tend to snowball on ya (or at least they do on me)!
Great advice! ...but too late ...can you say Excel spreadsheet?!
Haven't spent a dime on the C500 today... I think I will check eBay... <10 second sniper :D
Allen
Quote from: xs29j8Bullitt on November 26, 2007, 07:49:04 PM
Quote from: hemigeno on November 26, 2007, 06:21:49 PM
Hey Allen - good to see the wheels of progress in motion on your car. Be careful with making those lists - they tend to snowball on ya (or at least they do on me)!
Great advice! ...but too late ...can you say Excel spreadsheet?!
Haven't spent a dime on the C500 today... I think I will check eBay... <10 second sniper :D
Allen
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Allen,
I have been following your posts with much enthusiasm. Keep up the great work. My C500 will also be needing the upper door pads in the near future and I happened to see a post on Moparts from Legendary Interiors stating that in January they are expecting to have their own upper door pads available. They stated in the post that they will have a "first 50 order" price break of I believe $850 -875 for a set of 4. Pricing after that is expected to be between $1,000-$1100 for the set. Do you know if BE/A parts are going to be producing these pads for sure? It was my impression that the BE/A parts were going to be much cheaper than the Legendary ones. Am I correct on this? Any input from anyone else on this?
Quote from: moparchris on November 27, 2007, 12:51:12 PM
Allen,
I have been following your posts with much enthusiasm. Keep up the great work. My C500 will also be needing the upper door pads in the near future and I happened to see a post on Moparts from Legendary Interiors stating that in January they are expecting to have their own upper door pads available. They stated in the post that they will have a "first 50 order" price break of I believe $850 -875 for a set of 4. Pricing after that is expected to be between $1,000-$1100 for the set. Do you know if BE/A parts are going to be producing these pads for sure? It was my impression that the BE/A parts were going to be much cheaper than the Legendary ones. Am I correct on this? Any input from anyone else on this?
Chris, Eric from Legendary has joined our site as well & posted here.....looks like a nice product will be coming out soon...
http://www.dodgecharger.com/forum/index.php/topic,36801.from1196177421.html#new
Here's info on the B/E & A pieces:
68-70 Charger Upper Door pads from B/E & A (http://www.dodgecharger.com/forum/index.php/topic,36605.0.html)
Troy
Hey Allen don't worry about any :slap: from me when I get to look at your car. I'm sure of that. I haven't seen one that I didn't like.
I know you didn't set out for your Daytona to go the way it is Gene. The more I watch what your doing with that though, I begin to worry. I worry because I'm the same way. I start off with simple enough goals, but then as time goes on I start doing this :scratchchin: and that leads to more spending, and more list, and more spending. And next thing you know your already past your origional goal, but pages behind where you think you need to be at. Its a never ending viscious cycle. Every time I go out in the garage I see 3-4 more things on my 500 that I'd love to change at one time or another. Then I get to thinking that there is nothing wrong/broken with what is on there. But its not the right type, or its a bad reproduction part or this and that. Grrrrr, now I'm winding up with a cabinet on my wall of parts that are accumulating, that in all honesty I don't need for the car to work, but do need to get it back to stock. Which then puts a dilema, change them now so its right, or wait until I can do it all at once?
Quote from: moparstuart on November 27, 2007, 09:28:38 AM
I know a great guy in witchita kansas that does awesome column and speedo cluster rebuilts if you want his name He is very resonable and I am very happy with his work
Yes Stuart, send me his contact information for my list of vendors. I lived in Wichita in the mid-80s, so there is a chance I may even know him. :scratchchin:
PM or Email to: xs29j8@charter.net
Thanks,
Allen
Just out of curiousity, but is he the same gentleman who was selling repaired steering columns there at the Monster Mopar in St. Louis this year?
Quote from: xs29j8Bullitt on November 27, 2007, 05:33:34 PM
Quote from: moparstuart on November 27, 2007, 09:28:38 AM
I know a great guy in witchita kansas that does awesome column and speedo cluster rebuilts if you want his name He is very resonable and I am very happy with his work
Yes Stuart, send me his contact information for my list of vendors. I lived in Wichita in the mid-80s, so there is a chance I may even know him. :scratchchin:
Thanks,
Allen
PM or Email to: xs29j8@charter.net
his name is kevin penquite him email is
BBody68@aol.com he has a 68 hemi car if i remember correctly my column was 325.00 plus shipping and the speedo cluster was like 650.00 or 700.00 with the bezel rechrome
Quote from: moparchris on November 27, 2007, 12:51:12 PM
Allen,
I have been following your posts with much enthusiasm. Keep up the great work. My C500 will also be needing the upper door pads in the near future and I happened to see a post on Moparts from Legendary Interiors stating that in January they are expecting to have their own upper door pads available. They stated in the post that they will have a "first 50 order" price break of I believe $850 -875 for a set of 4. Pricing after that is expected to be between $1,000-$1100 for the set. Do you know if BE/A parts are going to be producing these pads for sure? It was my impression that the BE/A parts were going to be much cheaper than the Legendary ones. Am I correct on this? Any input from anyone else on this?
Chris - Thanks for following my
ordeal... I mean "living-the-dream" experience. :icon_smile_wink:
As far as the Charger upper door pads from B/E&A, Mike Ross of B/E&A has said they are definitely producing them... AND SOON! If I recall correctly, I believe the prototypes are almost finished and there will be pictures posted soon. In his group buy posting by Troy he indicated the price would be $515 per set of 4, complete with the in-set emblems... quite a bit cheaper than the range estimated by Legendary. I first saw the Legendary postings on forums today during lunch, and are waiting for more details.
At this point I expect to buy the upper door pads from B/E&A... it would take a lot of convincing to get me to spend about $2000 more for the 4 sets that I plan to order. It will be interesting to see how this plays out! First we get dual vendors on full Charger quarter panels, and now the same happens on the upper door pads. The timing of all the new high quality reproduction parts works out well for my future plans! :cheers:
Alright now, who is FINALLY going to make high quality E-Body `Cuda door panels?... WELL?... Ole' Yeller is waiting for a white set! :popcrn:
Allen
Quote from: moparstuart on November 27, 2007, 05:51:54 PM
his name is kevin penquite him email is BBody68@aol.com he has a 68 hemi car if i remember correctly my column was 325.00 plus shipping and the speedo cluster was like 650.00 or 700.00 with the bezel rechrome
Thanks for the info! I was wondering like Danny if he was the guy at Monster Mopar... Talked to him & got a business card I think...
Allen
Tracking the reproduction full quarter panels as they are headed south to Texas... :popcrn:
Kinda like watching the TV stations tracking Santa on Christmas Eve... :lol:
Earlier today they were in Louisville, Kentucky... delivery expected on Friday.
Allen
Quote from: xs29j8Bullitt on November 27, 2007, 06:03:33 PM
Quote from: moparstuart on November 27, 2007, 05:51:54 PM
his name is kevin penquite him email is BBody68@aol.com he has a 68 hemi car if i remember correctly my column was 325.00 plus shipping and the speedo cluster was like 650.00 or 700.00 with the bezel rechrome
Thanks for the info! I was wondering like Danny if he was the guy at Monster Mopar... Talked to him & got a business card I think...
Allen
yes he was at monster mopar and a great guy to deal with
Quote from: 69_500 on November 27, 2007, 05:34:35 PM
Just out of curiousity, but is he the same gentleman who was selling repaired steering columns there at the Monster Mopar in St. Louis this year?
yes he hit alot of the big shows , and he replaces all the electronic in the columns and on my 70 the lock cylinder and key , and powder coats all the bracket and paints them up really nice , I was very inpressed with his work and the cluster I got looks as nice as other venders who charge double the price .
I think that me and Allen were at his space at the Monster Mopar for a good 15-20 minutes one day. There are ton of things that I've love to replace on my 500, the steering column is one of them. But man I just can't seem to ever convince myself that soem parts are worth those prices. Not that his were high by any stretch of the imagination because they weren't. But you spend $40 here and $50 here and next thing you know you've spent as much in parts as you did for the whole car. Which in allen's case means he would have like 1 part if he was only going to spend as much as he did for the whole car. :nana: In my case though, that means a little different amount. :scratchchin: Man I wish I was older.
Quote from: 69_500 on November 28, 2007, 07:57:45 PM
Which in allen's case means he would have like 1 part if he was only going to spend as much as he did for the whole car. :nana: In my case though, that means a little different amount. :scratchchin: Man I wish I was older.
Looks like I'll be spending about 70 times as much as I paid for the car... :eek2:
...and no you don't wish you were older! :P
I had a pretty good day... tracked the quarter panels from Louisville through Memphis where they left for Dallas at 11:30 AM today...
Also, stopped by the paint shop and found they had started to finish the dis-assembly (I thought they would start tomorrow or Friday). Wheel opening moldings & windshield and back glass moldings were off as well as other items. The windshield had already been removed, and the back glass was taken out while I was there! :2thumbs:
Very good news, the windshield & back glass channels appear to be in great shape!!! :boogie: I will post better pictures when the sealant and grime is cleaned off...
Also, its got a small shiney spot now in front of the driver's door... maybe all it's flaws will buff out... :smilielol:
Here are some pictures from today:
XS
More pictures from today...
I bought the turnsignal switch, bearings and a new switch for around a 100 bucks. The wiring is all one piece. It isn't too difficult if you have the tools and the factory manual. I figure I can do it myself and save some money.
Quote from: 69_500 on November 28, 2007, 07:57:45 PM
I think that me and Allen were at his space at the Monster Mopar for a good 15-20 minutes one day. There are ton of things that I've love to replace on my 500, the steering column is one of them. But man I just can't seem to ever convince myself that soem parts are worth those prices. Not that his were high by any stretch of the imagination because they weren't. But you spend $40 here and $50 here and next thing you know you've spent as much in parts as you did for the whole car. Which in allen's case means he would have like 1 part if he was only going to spend as much as he did for the whole car. :nana: In my case though, that means a little different amount. :scratchchin: Man I wish I was older.
yes but i have seen alot of columns get smoked lately , if it still works good then great but for my money new electronics make me feel awhole lot better i replaced every wiring harness in both my running cars and the column in the bird vert. maybe over pretective but i sleep better now .
Looks good Allen. Keep up the good work on the C500!!! :popcrn:
Well I said I wish that I was older, I didn't say I wish I was as old as you are. :smilielol:
Had to say it, you made it too easy. :nana:
Okay let me put it another way, I wish that my dad would have kept just 1 of the cars he had, so that he would stop pestering me now to get another one. Its not that I don't want another one, preferably a Daytona, but man they just aren't for sale for the prices he was getting them at.
Quote from: 69_500 on November 29, 2007, 05:49:51 PM
I wish that my dad would have kept just 1 of the cars he had, so that he would stop pestering me now to get another one. Man they just aren't for sale for the prices he was getting them at.
I wish I kept at least 1 of the cars I had so my sons would quit whining about selling them before they were born. Man, they sell for so much more now than they did in 1983. :slap: :brickwall:
Statement fixed. :icon_smile_big:
Thought you still had a car there learical? If it makes you feel any better I was at least born before 1983. :nana: Heck I remember going to wing car meets before 1983. First DSAC event I attended was in April of 1979. Granted I wasn't driving then, but was there drooling. :drool5:
The Classic Body Design reproduction quarter panels arrived on schedule today. The transaction with Ron Lushia went very well, he was very responsive to questions and provided a tracking number for the package. The quarter panels were packed very well, and the package was delivered by United States Freight (USF Holland/USF Reddaway) without any damage to the boxes. :2thumbs: Thanks to all involved!
The shop owner inspected the quarter panels and declared them to be the best reproduction sheetmetal that he had ever seen! Of course the final judgement will be after installation, but they look GREAT!
Here are a couple of pictures...
Allen
After looking over the quarter panels, I spent the rest of the day continuing the dis-assembly of the Charger 500. Removed the steering column, dash assembly, heater box, vent box, brake/clutch pedal mechanism, master cylinder, and a lot of smaller items...
Getting ready to place some large orders for parts needed for the C500, also preparing to ship out the first components for restoration...
Below are a few pictures taken today.
Allen
Looks good man! :2thumbs:
Quote from: 69bronzeT5 on November 29, 2007, 12:15:41 PM
Looks good Allen. Keep up the good work on the C500!!! :popcrn:
Quote from: 69bronzeT5 on November 30, 2007, 09:07:13 PM
Looks good man! :2thumbs:
Thanks Cody... I am following your restoration thread & other restoration threads as well. :2thumbs:
Allen
Quote from: 69_500 on November 29, 2007, 05:49:51 PM
Well I said I wish that I was older, I didn't say I wish I was as old as you are. :smilielol:
Had to say it, you made it too easy. :nana:
Lets see, that will cost you 3 demerits on any possible future acquisition of my Charger 500 or Daytona... :D :nana: :icon_smile_wink:
Allen
Three demerits? :RantExplode: That makes me about 25 in the hole already then doesn't it? I figured 1 demerit for each smart ass comment about trading, and .001 demerit for each time I wished I had both your 500 and Daytona. :icon_smile_wink:
Quote from: xs29j8Bullitt on November 20, 2007, 07:14:25 PM
By the time I called, someone had already "found" the C500 and wanted to buy it! :eek2: :eek2: :eek2:
Lee, if you are reading this... IT IS NOT FOR SALE!
Well, I just got a call from Lee...
WOW!... It turns out that he is the guy that owns this car and several other Gen II Chargers...
WOW! :o :drool5:
Life is sureal at times... :lol: He seems like a great guy... :cheers:
Allen
Picture of his car grabbed off of the Internet:
Quote from: xs29j8Bullitt on December 05, 2007, 08:26:32 PM
Quote from: xs29j8Bullitt on November 20, 2007, 07:14:25 PM
By the time I called, someone had already "found" the C500 and wanted to buy it! :eek2: :eek2: :eek2:
Lee, if you are reading this... IT IS NOT FOR SALE!
Well, I just got a call from Lee... WOW!... It turns out that he is the guy that owns this car and several other Gen II Chargers... WOW! :o :drool5:
Life is sureal at times... :lol: He seems like a great guy... :cheers:
Geeez... :P The paint & body shop is becoming the Grand Central Station of Chargerville! :-\ Another Charger fan "found" the C500 this week and told the owner of the paint shop that he knows me from 20 years ago... :scratchchin: He also told him that he owns a F8 colored 1969 Charger 500! :o ...All along I though these Aero Cars were rare... ??? :lol:
If you are on the forum Bernie, stop by and Hi in this thread... :wave:
Also I took some pictures of the plug installation today until the camera battery died... :brickwall:
Allen
OH OH OH, hey Allen if you would be so kind as to pass on any contact information to the F8 owner. Not asking for his information, but feel free to drop him mine. You know me I'm always up for talking 500's or Daytona's. And hey what can I say I'm nosey, and I'd always like to add another folder to the growing files on the computer of photo's of various 500's. :)
Quote from: 69_500 on December 07, 2007, 06:28:39 PM
OH OH OH, hey Allen if you would be so kind as to pass on any contact information to the F8 owner. Not asking for his information, but feel free to drop him mine. You know me I'm always up for talking 500's or Daytona's. And hey what can I say I'm nosey, and I'd always like to add another folder to the growing files on the computer of photo's of various 500's. :)
Will do Danny... I expect I will be meeting the guy soon, he has a 1970 Plymouth B-Body (RR/GTX/Satellite) in the paint shop. It is just a uni-body on casters at the moment. Besides, I start a file on everyone that inquires about one of my cars... :D
Allen
Quote from: xs29j8Bullitt on December 07, 2007, 06:38:18 PM
Quote from: 69_500 on December 07, 2007, 06:28:39 PM
OH OH OH, hey Allen if you would be so kind as to pass on any contact information to the F8 owner. Not asking for his information, but feel free to drop him mine. You know me I'm always up for talking 500's or Daytona's. And hey what can I say I'm nosey, and I'd always like to add another folder to the growing files on the computer of photo's of various 500's. :)
Will do Danny... I expect I will be meeting the guy soon, he has a 1970 Plymouth B-Body (RR/GTX/Satellite) in the paint shop. It is just a uni-body on casters at the moment. Besides, I start a file on everyone that inquires about one of my cars... :D
Allen
i knew it you are a goverment agent, please stop having me followed
Quote from: moparstuart on December 08, 2007, 12:22:14 AM
Quote from: xs29j8Bullitt on December 07, 2007, 06:38:18 PM
Quote from: 69_500 on December 07, 2007, 06:28:39 PM
OH OH OH, hey Allen if you would be so kind as to pass on any contact information to the F8 owner. Not asking for his information, but feel free to drop him mine. You know me I'm always up for talking 500's or Daytona's. And hey what can I say I'm nosey, and I'd always like to add another folder to the growing files on the computer of photo's of various 500's. :)
Will do Danny... I expect I will be meeting the guy soon, he has a 1970 Plymouth B-Body (RR/GTX/Satellite) in the paint shop. It is just a uni-body on casters at the moment. Besides, I start a file on everyone that inquires about one of my cars... :D
Allen
i knew it you are a goverment agent, please stop having me followed
THATS WHY THERE ARE BLACK SUBURBANS FOLLOWING ME AROUND :scratchchin: :D
A file on everyone who inquires about your cars? So I'm assuming my file is at least 4 to 5 years old then? You don't add an entry everytime they ask do you? If so, man mine is going to be pretty fat by the time I'm 50.
I hope by the time you are 50 that B5 blue on blue 500 SE turns up so I can get my build sheet and give him his. After 60 years that would make a good magazine story.
Quote from: Highbanked Hauler on December 08, 2007, 07:14:02 PM
I hope by the time you are 50 that B5 blue on blue 500 SE turns up so I can get my build sheet and give him his. After 60 years that would make a good magazine story.
What? There's another one besides this one?
Hey Al, I keep my eyes and ears out for the other B5 blue SE 500, but so far to no luck. Did you ever find the broadcast sheet you are refering to? I would still love to add the information to the car that it goes to, to the ever growing spreadsheet I'm doing. A copy of the sheet would be great, or just the VIN.
I spy BC plates!!! I love that car!!! :drool5:
ITS ON!... The Rotisserie...
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:cheers: ...I think... but I keep thinking about the major (to me) sheetmetal surgery to come and still am a bit :errr: nervous. This is the most drastic work that I have ever had done to one of my cars, even if it minor by today's "restore a cowl into a car" standards.
Here are some cell phone pictures that I took today... better pictures in a day or two. I have a lot of loose parts to haul home from the paint shop now...
Allen
FLIPPER!!!!!! :nana:
Looks good Allen!!! :cheers:
You will be even more excited when its OFF the roisserie!! :2thumbs: Progress is a great feeling thats for sure :yesnod:
Hey Allen..
That's great news about the progress... Nice seeing her on the rotisserie....... Also, this pic... Looks like the dudes at Creative didn't even bother to take the regular production rear window moulding revel clips off...
Troy
(http://www.dodgecharger.com/forum/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=33799.0;id=59878;image)
Wow, they are coming right along.
Quote from: hemi68charger on December 13, 2007, 11:27:35 AM
Hey Allen..
That's great news about the progress... Nice seeing her on the rotisserie....... Also, this pic... Looks like the dudes at Creative didn't even bother to take the regular production rear window moulding revel clips off...
Troy
Thats where i got some of mine for my 68 in the wee hours of the night!
Quote from: PocketThunder on December 13, 2007, 05:07:46 PM
Quote from: hemi68charger on December 13, 2007, 11:27:35 AM
Hey Allen..
That's great news about the progress... Nice seeing her on the rotisserie....... Also, this pic... Looks like the dudes at Creative didn't even bother to take the regular production rear window moulding revel clips off...
Troy
Thats where i got some of mine for my 68 in the wee hours of the night!
stop sneeking to texas and stealing allens clips in the wee hours of the morning
Quote from: 1hot68 on December 12, 2007, 08:39:52 PM
You will be even more excited when its OFF the roisserie!! :2thumbs: Progress is a great feeling thats for sure :yesnod:
True, but right now I would settle on just having the quarter panel replacement done and the plug re-installed... The original quarters are going to be cut off ("pictured framed" to leave more strength & stiffness) before sending the car to the blaster. Also, I just found out today the local plastic media blaster just stopped operations, so I may have to go with a "soda blaster"... not trilled about that! :P
Allen
Quote from: hemi68charger on December 13, 2007, 11:27:35 AM
Hey Allen..
That's great news about the progress... Nice seeing her on the rotisserie....... Also, this pic... Looks like the dudes at Creative didn't even bother to take the regular production rear window moulding revel clips off...
Troy
Not only did they not remove the clips & other no longer needed items, they did not even scrape half of the original back glass gasket seal off with a putty knife... look at all the leftover goop in the older pictures...
Allen
Quote from: justin1987 on December 13, 2007, 01:03:20 PM
Wow, they are coming right along.
Yes, good progress so far... I'm just hoping we don't get a big ice storm, that could put my car on hold for 3-4 months... :RantExplode:
Allen
Quote from: PocketThunder on December 13, 2007, 05:07:46 PM
Quote from: hemi68charger on December 13, 2007, 11:27:35 AM
Hey Allen..
That's great news about the progress... Nice seeing her on the rotisserie....... Also, this pic... Looks like the dudes at Creative didn't even bother to take the regular production rear window moulding revel clips off...
Troy
Thats where i got some of mine for my 68 in the wee hours of the night!
I guess I will re-install the clip & other un-needed parts since they were left on by Creative Ind, but I will not reinstall the un-needed back glass gasket seal (putty strip)!
Allen
Quote from: moparstuart on December 13, 2007, 05:12:19 PM
stop sneeking to texas and stealing allens clips in the wee hours of the morning
I have other hobbies... :D :lol:
Quote from: xs29j8Bullitt on December 13, 2007, 08:19:42 PM
Quote from: PocketThunder on December 13, 2007, 05:07:46 PM
Quote from: hemi68charger on December 13, 2007, 11:27:35 AM
Hey Allen..
That's great news about the progress... Nice seeing her on the rotisserie....... Also, this pic... Looks like the dudes at Creative didn't even bother to take the regular production rear window moulding revel clips off...
Troy
Thats where i got some of mine for my 68 in the wee hours of the night!
I guess I will re-install the clip & other un-needed parts since they were left on by Creative Ind, but I will not reinstall the un-needed back glass gasket seal (putty strip)!
Allen
My car is the same way. Putty strip left in place. Its even there now if you want me to document the curve and thickness and :rofl: :rofl:
Here are a few pictures from the last couple of days. Mostly good news as the dis-assembly proceeds. I am very relieved that the windshield & back glass channels are in great shape, I expected much worse...
Allen
More detail pictures...
Trunk drip trough is in great shape also...
The first close-up look at the underside of the C500 looks promising as well. A few problem areas like the trunk floor/extensions & front floorboards, but a lot of solid areas also. We will know a lot more after it is stripped...
Looks great Allen! The years in the warm dry shop must of prevented it from rusting. I'm lucky, the rear window channel and deck filler panel on my '69 looks to be not rusty...thank god :lol:
Quote from: 69bronzeT5 on December 15, 2007, 05:18:04 PM
Looks great Allen! The years in the warm dry shop must of prevented it from rusting. I'm lucky, the rear window channel and deck filler panel on my '69 looks to be not rusty...thank god :lol:
Good news for you Cody! I have seen a lot of cars that seem to have minimal rust... until you pull the various moldings & other exterior items off and find foot long rot-out in several places hidden by the moldings. This is especially true if the car has been stored under a tree and the channels are filled with dirt, leaves, and other debris which holds the moisture for longer periods of time.
Allen
I see you have the high dollar optioned ventilated truck floor
Quote from: moparstuart on December 17, 2007, 12:04:36 PM
I see you have the high dollar optioned ventilated truck floor
Looks like the front floors are gonna have to be replaced too. I guess the car sat outside somewhere quite a while? Back window area is nice!!! I wonder how the trunk rusted but the rear window area isn't? It is a good thing it is a 500 or your back window area would have been pretty rusty also.
Allen, that C500's pretty solid.... great car to start with.............
Quote from: xs29j8Bullitt on December 15, 2007, 05:49:00 PM
Good news for you Cody!
:yesnod: :yesnod: :yesnod: :yesnod: :2thumbs:
Quote from: moparstuart on December 17, 2007, 12:04:36 PM
I see you have the high dollar optioned ventilated truck floor
OMG!... :o :o :o A 39 year old Mopar with rust holes in the trunk floor... GASP... and after the craftsmen at Creative Industries took the precaution of leaving a .25 inch gap in the trunk gasket for drainage! ;)
BTW, since my C500 is not coded for the optional ventilated trunk floor, I will remove it for use on someone else's car... :laugh:
Any takers? :D Remember, its a real Aero Car part... :whistling:
Allen
Quote from: The70RT on December 17, 2007, 01:10:36 PM
Quote from: moparstuart on December 17, 2007, 12:04:36 PM
I see you have the high dollar optioned ventilated truck floor
Looks like the front floors are gonna have to be replaced too. I guess the car sat outside somewhere quite a while? Back window area is nice!!! I wonder how the trunk rusted but the rear window area isn't? It is a good thing it is a 500 or your back window area would have been pretty rusty also.
The upper drainage gap in the trunk gasket might have something to do with it...
Allen
Quote from: hemi68charger on December 17, 2007, 02:23:44 PM
Allen, that C500's pretty solid.... great car to start with.............
Thanks Troy... so I should not ask for a refund of the $600 purchase price? :shruggy: :lol:
Except for some areas of the quarter panels, most areas of the car have been as good or better than I expected going into this project! :2thumbs:
Allen
I think that you should probably get at least a 20% rebate on that $600 price. Or do you think it has passed any kind of warranty time since purchase? Then again if you hadn't mailed in the warranty card until 6 weeks ago, wouldn't it still fall under the 90 days same as cash? :smilielol:
Quote from: xs29j8Bullitt on December 18, 2007, 06:27:03 PM
Quote from: moparstuart on December 17, 2007, 12:04:36 PM
I see you have the high dollar optioned ventilated truck floor
OMG!... :o :o :o A 39 year old Mopar with rust holes in the trunk floor... GASP... and after the craftsmen at Creative Industries took the precaution of leaving a .25 inch gap in the trunk gasket for drainage! ;)
BTW, since my C500 is not coded for the optional ventilated trunk floor, I will remove it for use on someone else's car... :laugh:
Any takers? :D Remember, its a real Aero Car part... :whistling:
Allen
allen wasnt trying to offend , just being not so funny i guess
car does look good for it's age , all mine seem to be rust buckets you have far less rust then any of the cars I have had so far!
Keep up the good work !!!!
Quote from: xs29j8Bullitt on December 18, 2007, 06:36:41 PM
Quote from: The70RT on December 17, 2007, 01:10:36 PM
Quote from: moparstuart on December 17, 2007, 12:04:36 PM
I see you have the high dollar optioned ventilated truck floor
Looks like the front floors are gonna have to be replaced too. I guess the car sat outside somewhere quite a while? Back window area is nice!!! I wonder how the trunk rusted but the rear window area isn't? It is a good thing it is a 500 or your back window area would have been pretty rusty also.
The upper drainage gap in the trunk gasket might have something to do with it...
Allen
Wow Allen. I guess maybe the gasket shrunk? Back then I guess they thought it was just another car and it wasn't an issue. I wasn't trying to offend either.....like some may have thought. I just mentioned the floor having some rust ::) I'm sure it will look great when done. It looks like you found a good shop and they are moving right along and it won't be there for years. :2thumbs:
Quote from: moparstuart on December 19, 2007, 09:29:58 AM
allen wasnt trying to offend , just being not so funny i guess
car does look good for it's age , all mine seem to be rust buckets you have far less rust then any of the cars I have had so far!
Keep up the good work !!!!
Quote from: The70RT on December 19, 2007, 09:49:53 AM
Wow Allen. I guess maybe the gasket shrunk? Back then I guess they thought it was just another car and it wasn't an issue. I wasn't trying to offend either.....like some may have thought. I just mentioned the floor having some rust ::) I'm sure it will look great when done. It looks like you found a good shop and they are moving right along and it won't be there for years. :2thumbs:
No offense taken guys, just wanted to make the point to some "non-car" folks that I have provided the thread link to (co-workers, family, friends, neighbors, etc.) that this is actually a solid project car now-a-days. Even so, along with the many good surprises, there have been some bad ones... like moderately heavy pitting of the chromed vent window framing on both doors.
Soon the car will look MUCH worse when the quarter panels are cut off... hopefully that will only be for a few months. A February ice storm could put the C500 on the back burner for a while at the paint shop... :RantExplode:
BTW, also following the thread are a father & son that had the car in the early 1980s and sold it to the guy that I purchased it from. Hi Phil Sr & Phil Jr :wave: :wave: Thanks for sharing the history of the car from when you owned it. I appreciate the help and look forward to giving y'all a ride in the C500 when it is finished! :2thumbs: ...However long from now that may be... :P
Allen
What you mean you actually think that one day you'll be giving rides in that 500? :smilielol:
Okay feel free to :slap: me.
Where do I sign up for a ride? I want a ride too.
Quote from: 69_500 on December 20, 2007, 07:16:59 PM
What you mean you actually think that one day you'll be giving rides in that 500? :smilielol:
:eek2: With my recent record of endless restorations, that hits too close to home... :brickwall:
Quote from: 69_500 on December 20, 2007, 07:16:59 PM
Okay feel free to :slap: me.
:slap: :slap: :slap: I just remembered the age remarks & other comments several pages back... I feel better now! :2thumbs: :D
Quote from: 69_500 on December 20, 2007, 07:16:59 PM
Where do I sign up for a ride? I want a ride too.
I owe you a ride, so no problem! :2thumbs: You can even drive the car... however, you may notice airway constriction at full throttle... :eek2: :lol:
Allen
Age comments? You must have me confused with someone else. I wouldn't ever comment on how young I am, my comments are always that I wish I was older so that I could have bought these cars at the same time my dad was.
Its Unplugged!!!
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More progress! :2thumbs: The "fastback" rear window plug has been successfully removed without any problems... :coolgleamA:
Most Excellent!!! Next will come the cutting of the quarter panels... :eek2:
Below are some pictures taken today. The C500 was flying straight & level today... :icon_smile_big:
Allen
More pictures...
Pictures of the removed plug...
Wow............that's the best rear window area I ever seen. :2thumbs:
Quote from: The70RT on December 20, 2007, 09:32:46 PM
Wow............that's the best rear window area I ever seen. :2thumbs:
Thanks, it's been in the "garage" provided by the plug for 39 years... :lol: Too bad it gets covered back up later, but I'll take lots of pictures to display with the C500. :yesnod:
Allen
Wow Allen, nice.......... But, why did you separate the plug? Very interesting about the lips screwed into place to help support the plug, never knew that.........
Troy
Quote from: hemi68charger on December 21, 2007, 08:53:51 AM
Wow Allen, nice.......... But, why did you separate the plug? Very interesting about the lips screwed into place to help support the plug, never knew that.........
Troy
He is having the full quarters replaced at factory seams.
Quote from: PocketThunder on December 21, 2007, 11:43:26 AM
Quote from: hemi68charger on December 21, 2007, 08:53:51 AM
Wow Allen, nice.......... But, why did you separate the plug? Very interesting about the lips screwed into place to help support the plug, never knew that.........
Troy
He is having the full quarters replaced at factory seams.
Ah heck... Didn't think the quarters were that bad...... Then, that makes sense.... Thanks Paul........
more good progress , being made :yesnod: intresting pictures :popcrn: .............. :2thumbs:
Quote from: hemi68charger on December 21, 2007, 01:03:34 PM
Quote from: PocketThunder on December 21, 2007, 11:43:26 AM
Quote from: hemi68charger on December 21, 2007, 08:53:51 AM
Wow Allen, nice.......... But, why did you separate the plug? Very interesting about the lips screwed into place to help support the plug, never knew that.........
Troy
He is having the full quarters replaced at factory seams.
Ah heck... Didn't think the quarters were that bad...... Then, that makes sense.... Thanks Paul........
The original quarter panels were useable, but unseen rust spots may exist between the ones now visible around the wheel opening. To leave the plug in would have required the top of the quarter to be cut off about where I have the red line below, instead of the factory seam (yellow line). The extra seam woul have been visible from the inside of the trunk, but in such a tight area that it would have been difficult to conceal...
Have a look at the pictures below to see the rust around the wheel opening and the marked up picture showing the factory seam vs the repair seam if the plug was not removed...
Allen
Looks GREAT!!!! :o
This is just me Allen, and I'm not a body man by any means. But if it was my car and I know its not as you will remind me each time I ask about it. But I would have thought about just trying to replace as little sheetmetal as I could and keep the rest of it origional. I would have went with some patch panels. I'm not up to the skill level to make it where someone couldn't tell that you used a patch panel, but I do know that there are shops who are. Just a though.
However with replacing them at the factory seams does the same thing as well. And leaves no unwanted marks viewable.
Quote from: 69_500 on December 22, 2007, 04:06:01 PM
This is just me Allen, and I'm not a body man by any means. But if it was my car and I know its not as you will remind me each time I ask about it. But I would have thought about just trying to replace as little sheetmetal as I could and keep the rest of it origional. I would have went with some patch panels. I'm not up to the skill level to make it where someone couldn't tell that you used a patch panel, but I do know that there are shops who are. Just a though.
However with replacing them at the factory seams does the same thing as well. And leaves no unwanted marks viewable.
..........and now if they can nail the sound deadening on the inside of the 1/4 panels it will be undetectable! :scratchchin:
Quote from: 1hot68 on December 22, 2007, 04:11:17 PM
Quote from: 69_500 on December 22, 2007, 04:06:01 PM
This is just me Allen, and I'm not a body man by any means. But if it was my car and I know its not as you will remind me each time I ask about it. But I would have thought about just trying to replace as little sheetmetal as I could and keep the rest of it origional. I would have went with some patch panels. I'm not up to the skill level to make it where someone couldn't tell that you used a patch panel, but I do know that there are shops who are. Just a though.
However with replacing them at the factory seams does the same thing as well. And leaves no unwanted marks viewable.
..........and now if they can nail the sound deadening on the inside of the 1/4 panels it will be undetectable! :scratchchin:
Deciding to replace the entire quarter panels was as tough decision. Going into the project the plan was to save the quarter panels, only replacing the very lower parts as you mentioned. This could have been done and concealed well in the trunk area, but around the wheel opening the small rust "bubbles" would have been repaired from the outside only. The real risk was that there were additional spots in areas near the visible spots that had not fully penetrated the metal, but would "bubble up" only after the car was painted... that has occured on two other cars I own.
Body shop labor wise the cost of the two methods was about the same, but the new CBD quarter panels were a lot more expensive than repair panels or partial quarters.
The sound deadening will be applied to the quarter panels before installation! :2thumbs:
Allen
What are you going to use for sound deadening material? Just curoius, and are you going to only put it in factory locations? And as sloppily as the factory did?
Quote from: 69_500 on December 23, 2007, 07:25:57 PM
What are you going to use for sound deadening material? Just curoius, and are you going to only put it in factory locations? And as sloppily as the factory did?
I am not sure exactly what the painter will use, but the factory pattern will be more or less replicated... not quite as sloppy as the factory. The painter showed me another '69 Charger that he did it to, and it looked right. I will find out more about it in January...
Allen
can i have the old 1/4's?mine are 100 times worse than yours. i dream of my quarters being as bad as yours.
Quote from: NMike on December 29, 2007, 12:44:10 AM
can i have the old 1/4's?mine are 100 times worse than yours. i dream of my quarters being as bad as yours.
:smilielol: same
Quote from: NMike on December 29, 2007, 12:44:10 AM
can i have the old 1/4's?mine are 100 times worse than yours. i dream of my quarters being as bad as yours.
Sorry to say the original quarter panels are going to be sacrificed to better preserve the mating parts like the roof panel, dutchman panel, etc. The quarter panel will be "picture windowed", ie. cutout with a 1-2 inch edge left in place for structural integrity during shipment to the plastic media blaster. Later, the remaining 1-2 inch wide strip will be "peeled" off, sacrificing it to do as little damage to the adjoining structure as possible. The main pieces of the removed quarter panels will be saved for use as repair panels on a future project, as well as patterns for the sound deadening application...
The C500 has been hibernating during the holiday, but flew inverted before Christmas... :icon_smile_wink: See pictures below.
Also, I was surprised by how little lead had to be melted out to remove the rear window plug... the picture below shows the bulk of it!
The hood hinges were the first pieces to be glass beaded, and appear tight and ready for priming & paint.
Allen
:angel:
Okay one last chance to sell the car to me before you really get going and start cutting it all up for repair.
Quote from: 69_500 on December 29, 2007, 04:34:49 PM
:angel:
Okay one last chance to sell the car to me before you really get going and start cutting it all up for repair.
But what would I do with all the time & money that sale would free up for me... ??? Sorry Danny, but I am seeing this one through! :yesnod:
Does this mean you won't want the car after the upcoming :hack: ???
I received a big box of parts from B/E&A for the C500 before Christmas, but finally had a chance to go through the parts today... NICE! :cheers:
Among the items were a black steering wheel, dash bezel set, hubcaps, remote door mirror, fuel cap & bezel, hood indicator light set, window cranks, inside door handles, bucket seat headrests, etc. All were top-notch reproductions!
BTW... a new Charger 500 question: Did some or all C500s come with the 1968 style black button outside door handles? My C500 had black button units instead of the regular chrome button units usually found on 1969 models, and they seem to be the original ones.
Allen
Quote from: xs29j8Bullitt on December 29, 2007, 08:09:03 PM
Among the items were hubcaps
Allen
You plan on putting hubcaps on it? :popcrn: :shruggy:
Quote from: 69bronzeT5 on December 29, 2007, 08:12:01 PM
Quote from: xs29j8Bullitt on December 29, 2007, 08:09:03 PM
Among the items were hubcaps
Allen
You plan on putting hubcaps on it? :popcrn: :shruggy:
I plan to have several wheel options to swap onto the C500, including stock steel wheels with red circle "dog dish" hubcaps. Some of the wheel sets (like Magnum 500s) will be shared with other cars.
Allen
The dogdishes will look great! ;)
Both style of door handle buttons are listed in the 69 parts book.
I recall reading somewhere it was an early/late build date that determined what you have.
Quote from: UFO on December 29, 2007, 09:08:20 PM
Both style of door handle buttons are listed in the 69 parts book.
I recall reading somewhere it was an early/late build date that determined what you have.
Thanks, my C500 had a SPD of 12/4/68... I assume that was the scheduled date for ChryCo production, not Creative Ind's modification. I know that ChargerVert's C500 had the same SPD... I will check with him to see which ones his car had.
I believe that you are right about the early/late build date determining the button color...
Allen
black are for cars built before 69 , mine has them SPD of 11 / 22 / 68
Quote from: tan top on December 30, 2007, 05:21:03 AM
black are for cars built before 69 , mine has them SPD of 12 / 22 / 68
Thanks for the info / confirmation TT! I am starting to prepare my next order for B/E&A... like someone else recently said, maybe I should just change my direct deposit routing number to their account. :P
I need to put some cars & parts up for sale to fund this $$$ black hole (maybe only a B5 Blue hole in this case, I guess Bullitt will be the real Black hole :eek2: ).
Allen
Allen i thought you had a money tree in your back yard :icon_smile_big: Those restos are a bottomless pit. But what better cars to invest in, none that i know. :2thumbs: Jay.
Quote from: WINGMAN on December 30, 2007, 12:04:02 PM
Allen i thought you had a money tree in your back yard :icon_smile_big: Those restos are a bottomless pit. But what better cars to invest in, none that i know. :2thumbs: Jay.
Errrr... its not exactly a money
tree... and its starting to look a mite picked over... :icon_smile_wink:
It doesn't help that I am also buying some key parts for my triple black & platinum silver cars too... concerned that some of the high quality repro parts may only be available for a limited time (like the '68 Charger taillight assemblies I ordered for Bullitt).
I'll make it work one way or 'nother... ;)
Allen
Side note on the silver vs. black button issue. I can't think of any "survivor" 500's that I've seen that have the silver buttons instead of the black ones.
I know that I've noticed several of the restored cars that have the silver buttons, on them however.
OH and Yeah I'd still be interested in the car after you do some cutting on it. Heck you know I'd be interested in it after your done.
Quote from: 69_500 on December 30, 2007, 08:41:12 PM
Side note on the silver vs. black button issue. I can't think of any "survivor" 500's that I've seen that have the silver buttons instead of the black ones.
I know that I've noticed several of the restored cars that have the silver buttons, on them however.
OH and Yeah I'd still be interested in the car after you do some cutting on it. Heck you know I'd be interested in it after your done.
Looks like the answer is clear... black buttons it is! I was actually hoping that it came with chrome buttons on the outside door handles, but I will keep it "original". The Daytona on the other hand has the chrome button units because of the later production date...
I have started to look for the NOS parts that I had set aside for the C500, located the NOS grille already... I still need a NOS or mint used drivers side headlight bezel (same as 1968 Coronet).
Some other items that I am looking to buy NOS or mint condition used are:
1) Correct taillight panel "500" emblem (P/N 2901811, long pin type for installation with palnuts)
2) Correct taillight panel "Charger" emblem ( P/N 2902306, will use the repro if it is high quality...)
More to list later, need to get part numbers.
I talked to the paint shop owner this morning, looks like removal of the quarter panels will happen next week. The shop will call prior to shipping the C500 to the plastic media blaster so I can take pictures of the car. The week delay is due to a "production" job... I sure hope we don't get an ice storm this winter, that could mean serious delays due to "production" work.
Speaking of delays, the delays that AMD is having with the various items that I need (one piece trunk floor, trunk floor extensions, rear valance, valance corners) is starting to run a high risk of delaying the project... The options of using "repros" already offered by other vendors is not too appealing.
Allen
Side note here on the whole buttons issue. I know that there are repro door handles that have the black buttons, but I've been told to not use those. I don't recall exactly why, just do very clearly remember hearing that I'd be better off having mine reconditioned than using the repro's. Thought I'd pass that along.
OH and I'll keep any eye out for those parts that you mentioned. I believe that the 500 emblem was just recently for sale on Ebay, it was an NOS piece as well.
Quote from: 69_500 on January 03, 2008, 04:39:11 PM
Side note here on the whole buttons issue. I know that there are repro door handles that have the black buttons, but I've been told to not use those. I don't recall exactly why, just do very clearly remember hearing that I'd be better off having mine reconditioned than using the repro's. Thought I'd pass that along.
OH and I'll keep any eye out for those parts that you mentioned. I believe that the 500 emblem was just recently for sale on Ebay, it was an NOS piece as well.
Thanks for the heads-up on the door handles, I will check into it... or maybe someone will chime in on what is wrong with the repro door handles.
I have watched eBay closely for some of the parts that I need, but have not seen a NOS 2901811 emblem. There have been two 3505338 emblems, both incorrectly listed as being original for Charger 500s. I bought the $20 one, but passed on the $50 one. Also, there was a decent used 2901811 (based on a small blurry picture), but the seller could not / would not provide a better picture or a detailed description of the condition... so I passed on it. I believe the correct 2901811 emblem was the standard one used on Coronets in 1968 & 1969.
Some pictures for a comparison...
Allen
I'll see if I can find the link on ebay. As I thought of bidding on it as I'm not exactly sure how well mine is going to look in a few more years. I know it was the one for the tail panel though not for the grille.
Quote from: 69_500 on January 03, 2008, 05:25:43 PM
I'll see if I can find the link on ebay. As I thought of bidding on it as I'm not exactly sure how well mine is going to look in a few more years. I know it was the one for the tail panel though not for the grille.
Here is the one I bought:
http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&rd=1&item=230188562552&ssPageName=STRK:MEWN:IT&ih=013
Here is the one that I passed on:
http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/NOS-MoPar-69-70-Dodge-Coronet-Charger-500-Nameplate_W0QQitemZ230191399104QQihZ013QQcategoryZ80736QQssPageNameZWDVWQQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem
BTW, looks like I mis-read the P/N... should be 350533
8... small text on emblem was hard to read.
Allen
Hi Allen and everyone,
I'm new to the sight and your project has inspired me to finish my car. You've made great progress in a short period of time, thanks for sharing the details, they've been very helpful to me in my project. My car was painted over 6 years ago. It was my 1st car (bought it for $500.00 in 1980). Hopefully the pics post. Best of luck to you, keep up the great work.
Happy New Year,
Brian
You may need to reattach any files you attached, such as: C:\Documents and Settings\Brian Znamirowski\My Documents\My Pictures\fall2007\fall2007 033.jpg, C:\Documents and Settings\Brian Znamirowski\My Documents\My Pictures\fall2007\fall2007 031.jpg
Quote from: brianz426 on January 03, 2008, 10:08:34 PM
Hi Allen and everyone,
I'm new to the sight and your project has inspired me to finish my car. You've made great progress in a short period of time, thanks for sharing the details, they've been very helpful to me in my project. My car was painted over 6 years ago. It was my 1st car (bought it for $500.00 in 1980). Hopefully the pics post. Best of luck to you, keep up the great work.
Happy New Year,
Brian
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Hi Brian :wave: ... Welcome to the forum! This might be the first time that I have been told that I made a lot of progress in a short period of time. Although I won't be setting any restoration completion records, I am determined not to have this stretch out like most of my projects have!
I am looking forward to seeing your car... looks like you will have to try the picture post again.
Lets see what $500 bought in 1980! :popcrn:
Allen
Looks like my pictures are too big, I'm going to check the help area and see if I can figure this out. By the way the $500.00 bought me a '69 Road Runner that I drove everyday. I still have the radial snow tires I used in the winter.
Quote from: brianz426 on January 03, 2008, 10:45:29 PM
Looks like my pictures are too big, I'm going to check the help area and see if I can figure this out. By the way the $500.00 bought me a '69 Road Runner that I drove everyday. I still have the radial snow tires I used in the winter.
If you want to, email the pictures to me for resizing. I can email the resized pictures to you or post them for you...
Email to: xs29j8@charter.net
BTW, here is the 1969 Road Runner that I bought in the 1970s for $150... ;)
Allen
Thanks Allen
I just sent the pictures to you. I love the silver interior with the console 4spd. Looks like it was a nice car. :2thumbs:I really miss the days when these cars were in local papers for what now seems like pennies.
Brian
Quote from: brianz426 on January 03, 2008, 11:13:56 PM
Thanks Allen
I just sent the pictures to you. I love the silver interior with the console 4spd. Looks like it was a nice car. :2thumbs:I really miss the days when these cars were in local papers for what now seems like pennies.
Brian
Here you go Brian... Your Road Runner looks GREAT! :2thumbs: Now you are on the spot to Git 'Er Done! :icon_smile_wink: So, you gonna let your kids drive the RR in about 15 years... :lol:
My '69 RR is one of three cars that I cannot imagine ever selling, my triple black '68 Charger R/T & '70 `Cuda 440-6 are the other two... and yes, the '69 C500 may soon join that group!
Allen
BrianZ426's Road Runner pictures:
Thanks for posting the pictures for me Allen.
I took that car apart in 1995, My goal is to have it back on the road before the end of the year. The drivetrain , interior and trim are all done. I just need to do the blackout behind the grille ,rebuild the front end and put it all back together. My other 3 cars are:
1968 GTX 440 auto w/AC two tone GG1 gark green top FF1 light green body
1969 GTX 440 4spd B5 Blue (bought in pieces, needs restoration)
1970 Cuda 440-6 FE5 Shaker bench seat auto on the column
Thanks again Allen & best of luck on your C500.
I'll be watching,
Brian
Hey Allen I see three cars that you have that I'd definately be interested in having, that aren't on that short list of the cars you want to keep? Are you just holding out on me?
Quote from: 69_500 on January 04, 2008, 04:17:25 PM
Hey Allen I see three cars that you have that I'd definately be interested in having, that aren't on that short list of the cars you want to keep? Are you just holding out on me?
Two of your three dream cars are available for purchase: 1973 Charger SE 440 & 1968 Polara 2 Dr HT 383... :nana:
... Sorry, couldn't resist! ;)
Seriously though, are you finally saying you would want a Superbird... or just flip it for another C500 or Daytona? :shruggy:
Right now there are 7 locked out from being considered for sale... including the 3 untouchables AND the 3 you seek... can you guess the 7th car? There will probably come a time I have to make some really hard decisions on which to sell, but not yet...
Some of the cars that I would consider selling now are being withheld for various reasons, like not being able to locate all the parts that would go with the car or wanting to further assemble the partially restored cars to increase the value & number of potential buyers. The only reason I will sell some cars is to fund restoration of others...
Allen
Well granted I do prefer the Daytona's and 500's over the Superbirds. That isn't hard to see is it? But I still do like the superbirds, but to answer the question no I wouldn't flip a Bird if I already had the other 2. Its like a set, you need all three for it to be half complete right?
I called the paint shop today, and they said that the production job was almost done. Sooooo, they are expecting to start the major surgery on the C500 tomorrow... i.e. cutting the quarter panels, trunk floor, etc out of the car. :eek2: :P :icon_smile_wink:
Well... here we go... its gonna really get started... if not tomorrow, very soon! :yesnod: :icon_smile_big:
After I take post-surgery pictures of the Charger 500, the paint shop will take it to the plastic media blaster as soon as they have an opening... probably within a couple of days of contacting them.
I will post pictures as soon as I have them...
Allen
Can't wait to see the photo's. :D
Quote from: LeeBoy on January 09, 2008, 06:44:20 PM
Can't wait to see the photo's. :D
:yesnod: going to be some good progress going on now :2thumbs: ......... :popcrn: :scope: ;D
Quote from: tan top on January 09, 2008, 06:47:39 PM
Quote from: LeeBoy on January 09, 2008, 06:44:20 PM
Can't wait to see the photo's. :D
:yesnod: going to be some good progress going on now :2thumbs: ......... :popcrn: :scope: ;D
Hopefully, but AMD's delay on the one piece trunk floor & extensions may end up being the "long pole in the tent"...
Heres hoping the next prototype test fitting goes well, and that there are no future delays... :-\ :pullinghair:
Allen
I always thought that delays in a process like this were to be expected? Hence the reason I haven't started going through this kind of a process yet.
I think that if I ever get around to something like this, I'll drive myself nuts with trying to get every little piece perfect.
Quote from: 69_500 on January 09, 2008, 07:01:09 PM
I always thought that delays in a process like this were to be expected? Hence the reason I haven't started going through this kind of a process yet.
Expected... Yes * Understood... Yes * Tolerated... Yes * Not get annoying... No
I would suggest to wait until you have a second Aero Car before starting restoration on one... a lot of enthusiasts get burnt out and sell their car halfway through restoration... especially if it is their first one. Collect the parts while they are available... especially some of the high quality repro parts just coming available, and store them carefully!
Quote from: 69_500 on January 09, 2008, 07:01:09 PM
I think that if I ever get around to something like this, I'll drive myself nuts with trying to get every little piece perfect.
Your C500 is a great future project... but enjoy the heck out of it NOW! BTW, it is nicer than you claim! :2thumbs: Seen it, rode in it... Thanks again! :cheers:
Allen
Allen, Just my :Twocents:on the door handle button question. My 68 Hemi charger has a SPD of 5/16/68 making it a fairly late 68 and it had the chrome buttons on it. My hemi 500 has a SPD of 11-14-68 which really isn't that long after the 68 was built and to the best of my knowledge it has always had the chrome buttons also. I bought the 500 from my friend who bought it in 1986 and I know he never changed the handles as well as theperson he bought it from and he never changed them either. Like I said just my :Twocents: and I'm not trying to be a mr. know-it-all.
Keep the pictures coming. Thery're great.
Quote from: moparchris on January 09, 2008, 11:15:31 PM
Allen, Just my :Twocents:on the door handle button question. My 68 Hemi charger has a SPD of 5/16/68 making it a fairly late 68 and it had the chrome buttons on it. My hemi 500 has a SPD of 11-14-68 which really isn't that long after the 68 was built and to the best of my knowledge it has always had the chrome buttons also. I bought the 500 from my friend who bought it in 1986 and I know he never changed the handles as well as theperson he bought it from and he never changed them either. Like I said just my :Twocents: and I'm not trying to be a mr. know-it-all.
Keep the pictures coming. Thery're great.
Can't swear to it, but I believe they were chrome when my brother and I had it, Chris.
Well Allen you hit the nail on the head with the comment about restoring my 500. I'm already collecting the parts that I know that I need to replace on the car. Have been doing that since I bought the car, and actually had a small collection of AERO specific parts even before I bought the car. And yeah I would love to have another aero car before I start doing any restoration, and we both know that I'd prefer a Daytona. However if it meant getting a project Daytona, and keep driving the 500 for now, that wouldn't be so bad now would it? Or getting another driveable 500 and restore this one, not a bad choice either. My only stipulation would be if I was to go after another 500 it would either have to be a HEMI car or a 4 speed car, no exceptions. Now a Daytona, I don't care what it is, but to be honest I'd prefer a 4 speed car there too.
OMG! ... She's Nekkid!... My poor Charger 500... :eek2: :icon_smile_wink:
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Well... The good news is that the C500 is now virtually rust free. ;)
The Charger 500 is almost ready to go to the plastic media blaster. The removal of the quarter panels, trunk floor, trunk floor extensions, and front floorboard sections was completed today. As I mentioned in earlier posts, the quarter panels were "picture framed", leaving a 1-2 inch strip at the attached edges. This provides added strength during transport & allows the final removal of the remaining strip in a way that best preserves the other parts that remain on the car. The strips can be "peeled" off, sacrificing the edge strip of the quarter panel to protect the mounting flanges of parts like the door jams, roof panel, dutchman panel, etc. Some parts like the rear valance was left in place for structural strength during transport, but will be removed after media blasting.
Here come the pictures...
Allen
More pictures...
LOOKS GREAT Allen! :o :cheers:
And again...
Last pictures for tonight... floorboard sections removed
Okay so really, what are you going to do with the removed quarters and such? I'd hang them up on the wall of my garage if it was my car. But that it just me. I mean might as well get some use out of them right?
Quote from: 69_500 on January 10, 2008, 10:12:46 PM
Okay so really, what are you going to do with the removed quarters and such? I'd hang them up on the wall of my garage if it was my car. But that it just me. I mean might as well get some use out of them right?
The quarter panels are already back in my workshop. I do have some plans to get various uses out of them, both for display and for repair patches. I had not considered trying to display the entire quarters, thinking more in terms of small sections like the area around the driver's side C500 decal mounted for display with the car at shows. I am saving other weathered original items for display also. Even saving the lead melted out when removing the rear window plug... might have something cast out of it!
Other items, like the trunk floor, are so toasted they are being tossed out...
Well, a few more pictures tonight afterall...
Allen
Quote from: LeeBoy on January 09, 2008, 06:44:20 PM
Can't wait to see the photo's. :D
Well, there they are... :o I just have to keep telling myself this is the low point in the life of the Charger 500, and it is going to start getting better soon! :yesnod:
Quote from: moparchris on January 09, 2008, 11:15:31 PM
Allen, Just my :Twocents:on the door handle button question. My 68 Hemi charger has a SPD of 5/16/68 making it a fairly late 68 and it had the chrome buttons on it. My hemi 500 has a SPD of 11-14-68 which really isn't that long after the 68 was built and to the best of my knowledge it has always had the chrome buttons also. I bought the 500 from my friend who bought it in 1986 and I know he never changed the handles as well as theperson he bought it from and he never changed them either. Like I said just my :Twocents: and I'm not trying to be a mr. know-it-all.
Keep the pictures coming. Thery're great.
Thanks for your input Chris... I will investigate the matter further, starting with my cars and those of friends that have been unchanged since the 1970s. Thanks for the compliment on the pictures posted... almost 1900 taken so far (includes duplicate pictures, blurry pictures, etc), about half of them useable... BUT, don't worry, I am not cruel enough to post 'em all! :icon_smile_wink:
Quote from: learical1 on January 10, 2008, 12:00:37 AM
Can't swear to it, but I believe they were chrome when my brother and I had it, Chris.
Any chance that there are "back-in-the-day" pictures of the car that might show them?
That'll be cool! (The C500 decal part). Definitely a good idea to leave the rear valance on or else it would of bent big time and that would of sucked :yesnod:
Hang 'em on the wall! I got this one off of a burned out bee. They make cool decorations.
Quote from: paironines on January 11, 2008, 01:08:46 AM
I got this one off of a burned out bee.
Any pics of the car itself? :popcrn:
all systems go now :yesnod: ........ thanks for sharing the pictures :2thumbs: .. ..................... :popcrn:
On the door handle buttons, my car has black buttons and it was built Nov. 18th, 1968. I'm 99% sure that they were never changed out. :Twocents:
http://www.dodgecharger.com/forum/index.php/topic,30500.msg357733.html#msg357733
My car has the black buttons as well. I'm looking at some photo's from back in the late 70's to early 80's of various 500's and I only see 2 that have the chrome buttons. However I will admit that 1 of the cars that has the chrome buttons I know for a fact had been "restored" by the time the early 80's came about. So the thought of putting new handles on the car probably wasn't even thought about, and since origional ones would have been old, and NOS ones would be new, why not put them on right? I'm just making an assumption, but in the early 80's if it was NOS it just came out of a box and went on a car without as much thought as it does today.
Its just a thought, I don't think that there is anything that is 100% accurate on these cars is it?
OH side note on the quarters. If it was my car, and I cut the entire quarter off as you did, I'd hang the whole drivers quarter up on the wall the way it is. I have a buddy who has an entire quarter from a HEMI cuda that he has, hanging up on his wall. He "restored" the car back in the early 80's, and replaced the whole quarter with an NOS one, and has the origional quarter with billboards and all hanging up in his garage. Definately something that is very neat to see when you walk in.
A few "action" shots & misc pictures tonight...
Joe removing the rear window plug support angles... attached with screws, but also picked up by a lot of the plug mounting spot welds.
No trunk floor has it's advantages! :lol:
Allen
More, including removal of the deck lid hinges...
Also, comparing a "factory" mix of PPG's EB5 Blue to the cleanest original paint on the C500. It doesn't show well in the picture, but appeared a shade too light compared to the original (using shop light only). A test panel will be sprayed, and if necessary darkened to match. For a "factory" (non-custom) mix, the match was very close.
Allen
I just cant believe the strength that the car has when it is cut up like that and the car still holds it shape on the rotisserie like that. :2thumbs:
Quote from: PocketThunder on January 12, 2008, 12:20:15 AM
I just cant believe the strength that the car has when it is cut up like that and the car still holds it shape on the rotisserie like that. :2thumbs:
The paint shop owner says he has taken them down to just the rear frame rails and not had a problem. Being a conservative Engineer, I opted to leave some extra stiffness in the rear of the body. I would have left even more material if I were doing it...
Also, the body will be supported at the front of the rear sub-frames during shipment... Still, I'll be soooooooo happy when the new quarter panels are installed!
Allen
Quote from: xs29j8Bullitt on January 12, 2008, 12:37:15 AM
Being a conservative Engineer,
Allen
Engineer, eh? Where did you graduate from and what type of engineering?
Quote from: Fitz73Chrgr on January 12, 2008, 03:03:30 AM
Quote from: xs29j8Bullitt on January 12, 2008, 12:37:15 AM
Being a conservative Engineer,
Allen
Engineer, eh? Where did you graduate from and what type of engineering?
Texas A&M University - BS Aerospace Engineering - Class of 1977 :2thumbs:
Currently working as a Senior Staff Aerospace Engineer, but looking forward to retirement... when I can afford it. :P
Why do you ask? :shruggy:
Allen
I didn't know you were an Aggie. Then again I went to the university of Illinois, and was a major in Physics. Didn't graduate, would have been the class of 2000. Not but a few years after you were in college huh Allen?
Oh and I think that if you sold a few of those projects ;) ;) that you could retire early. :2thumbs:
Quote from: 69_500 on January 12, 2008, 09:10:19 AM
I didn't know you were an Aggie.
We have infiltrated everwhere... :D
Quote from: 69_500 on January 12, 2008, 09:10:19 AM
Then again I went to the university of Illinois, and was a major in Physics. Didn't graduate, would have been the class of 2000.
Physics major :eek2: My brain hurts just thinking about it... :icon_smile_big:
Quote from: 69_500 on January 12, 2008, 09:10:19 AM
would have been the class of 2000. Not but a few years after you were in college huh Allen?
Hmmmmm... is that a crack about my age? :scratchchin:
Quote from: 69_500 on January 12, 2008, 09:10:19 AM
Oh and I think that if you sold a few of those projects ;) ;) that you could retire early. :2thumbs:
There are days at work that I think about that... and no, I am not kidding. But, I want to keep a lot of my toys, so off to work I go every day. Actually, in today's economy I am grateful for the job that I have! :yesnod:
Allen
Keep up the great work Allen; I was thinking somemore about the chrome/black door handle button issue and I started to think of all the Chargers I've had over the years, 5 68 R/T's, 3 69's and 2 69 'Runners, to the best of my recollection all my Chargers had the chrome buttons. I'm not ancient but we're talking going back many years before these cars were restored, they were $1,000 hot rods for young guys to buy. So I'm sure previous owners weren't going to the dealerships and buying new door handles for 8 year old cars. I only remember 1 68 Charger that we parted out due to a savage 65mph rearending that had the black buttons.
Also I just thought that I have a new 68-70 Charger right outer wheelhouse thats been collecting dust for years. If this is something you can use for your car, let me know and I will give you a very good price on it. Keep on truckin'!!
Yeah I know a physics major, not very exciting is it? Then again the people who were in my classes in college weren't the most outgoing and exciting people either. It was pretty much what you would expect from a bunch of NERDS. Sitting around on Firday and Saturday night, seeing who could rattle of PI to the farthest decimal place. Guess I was the odd ball, I liked the classes because they challenged me mentally, but didn't spend all of my time doing things like that. Always had a goodm memory for numbers, and remembering odd ball stuff. So the picking of that as a major was an easy decision. My goal when I went to college was to get an internship at NASA after my junior year. So started by taking 22 credit hours a semester for the first 2 years, then 20 a semester for the last year. Had a GPA of 3.85 no internship, so I left. Wasn't really interested in the idea of getting the degree and being a teacher or anything like that. I know it wasn't the smartest thing to do now looking back, but at the time I was only 19 and it sounded like a good idea. Now 10 years later I wish I hadn't done that.
Oh and that wasn't a crack about your age, but I guess it could have came accross that way. Think of it this way, if your looking for a crack on your age. When you graduated from college I wasn't even born.
I never knew what you did for a job Allen until this thread. I always wanted a job that challenged me mentally, but so far all that I've wound up with are physical labor jobs. That tends to be the only ones that people are willing to hire a person who didn't complete college, in todays society that is.
Quote from: xs29j8Bullitt on January 12, 2008, 09:27:33 AM
Quote from: 69_500 on January 12, 2008, 09:10:19 AM
I didn't know you were an Aggie.
We have infiltrated everwhere... :D
Quote from: 69_500 on January 12, 2008, 09:10:19 AM
Then again I went to the university of Illinois, and was a major in Physics. Didn't graduate, would have been the class of 2000.
Physics major :eek2: My brain hurts just thinking about it... :icon_smile_big:
Quote from: 69_500 on January 12, 2008, 09:10:19 AM
would have been the class of 2000. Not but a few years after you were in college huh Allen?
Hmmmmm... is that a crack about my age? :scratchchin:
Allen
Arizona State University, Class of 1977, B/S Mathematics. Never used my degree for anything. :brickwall:
Hey thats the same degree that my brother in law has. He has a B/S in mathematics from Indiana University, and he works at Lowes as a paint pro. Worked for a landscaping company for 10 years prior to that.
It's my fault I don't use my degree. Finished my last final exam in May,'77 and went on the road with my band that night. Toured around Arizona til Jan 78. Never got around to filing for my degree. To be honest, I wasn't sure I had completed everything I needed to get the degree. I've been selling parts at Ford dealers since Feb 78. (the Chrysler/Plymouth dealer wouldn't hire me. Something about owning too many Mopars and stealing them blind.) Finially, in 1999, the wife tells me to contact Az State and see what I need to do to get my degree. They write back, "send $15 and we'll mail it to you." :slap:
Quote from: 69_500 on January 12, 2008, 02:31:17 PM
I never knew what you did for a job Allen until this thread. I always wanted a job that challenged me mentally, but so far all that I've wound up with are physical labor jobs. That tends to be the only ones that people are willing to hire a person who didn't complete college, in todays society that is.
Danny - Wow, I never knew about your college experience. You are right about being denied opportunities without a Degree. When I first started my career it was not uncommon for non-degreed Designers to work alongside degreed Engineers, but that has completely changed today. In fact many companies have a Degree as a hard requirement, with no exceptions allowed. I disagree with that policy, but it is more and more common.
You are still young enough to get a Degree or equivalent if you decide to...
Allen
Quote from: learical1 on January 12, 2008, 04:25:59 PM
Finially, in 1999, the wife tells me to contact Az State and see what I need to do to get my degree. They write back, "send $15 and we'll mail it to you." :slap:
Bruce - WOW again, that would be the best $15 you ever spend. It could get you a position totally unrelated to the Degree. I know of a LOT of people with Degrees that have NO bearing on their work. Even some of my co-workers have Degrees that I have scarcely heard of before. I would guess that less than 5% of my co-workers have BSAE/MSAE Degrees, with the majority having BSME/MSME Degrees, and others a wide variety of Degrees (some seemingly having little relation to their work).
Allen
Quote from: xs29j8Bullitt on January 12, 2008, 08:26:00 AM
Quote from: Fitz73Chrgr on January 12, 2008, 03:03:30 AM
Quote from: xs29j8Bullitt on January 12, 2008, 12:37:15 AM
Being a conservative Engineer,
Allen
Engineer, eh? Where did you graduate from and what type of engineering?
Texas A&M University - BS Aerospace Engineering - Class of 1977 :2thumbs:
Currently working as a Senior Staff Aerospace Engineer, but looking forward to retirement... when I can afford it. :P
Why do you ask? :shruggy:
Allen
I'm in school for my BS in Mechanical Engineering, University of Missouri Rolla
Quote from: Fitz73Chrgr on January 12, 2008, 08:57:30 PM
Quote from: xs29j8Bullitt on January 12, 2008, 08:26:00 AM
Quote from: Fitz73Chrgr on January 12, 2008, 03:03:30 AM
Quote from: xs29j8Bullitt on January 12, 2008, 12:37:15 AM
Being a conservative Engineer,
Allen
Engineer, eh? Where did you graduate from and what type of engineering?
Texas A&M University - BS Aerospace Engineering - Class of 1977 :2thumbs:
Currently working as a Senior Staff Aerospace Engineer, but looking forward to retirement... when I can afford it. :P
Why do you ask? :shruggy:
Allen
I'm in school for my BS in Mechanical Engineering, University of Missouri Rolla
I'm in school for my BS in Aerospace and Mechanical Engineering at Oklahoma State University
Quote from: Fitz73Chrgr on January 12, 2008, 08:57:30 PM
I'm in school for my BS in Mechanical Engineering, University of Missouri Rolla
Quote from: justin1987 on January 12, 2008, 11:48:54 PM
I'm in school for my BS in Aerospace and Mechanical Engineering at Oklahoma State University
Stay in college even if the going gets tough... make it a high priority... Mopars will still be around when you graduate!
Either Degree, BSAE or BSME will serve you well... The ME Degree will allow a bit more job openings. The Aero Degree makes some companies shy away because they believe you will head to a higher paying position at an Aerospace Company if the opportunity arises.
The college degrees won't make your careers easy, but they WILL pay off in the long run... especially as you age (so I have been told ;) ).
Allen
So Allen,
Have they sent the chassis (or what's left of it) off to the media blaster yet?
I'm beginning to wonder if the shop you went with is actually a Chevy shop trying to do a Frame-Off restoration on a Mopar. :D
Quote from: hemigeno on January 18, 2008, 10:37:33 AM
So Allen,
Have they sent the chassis (or what's left of it) off to the media blaster yet?
I'm beginning to wonder if the shop you went with is actually a Chevy shop trying to do a Frame-Off restoration on a Mopar. :D
that was harsh !!!!!! :smilielol: :smilielol:
Quote from: moparstuart on January 18, 2008, 10:43:38 AM
Quote from: hemigeno on January 18, 2008, 10:37:33 AM
So Allen,
Have they sent the chassis (or what's left of it) off to the media blaster yet?
I'm beginning to wonder if the shop you went with is actually a Chevy shop trying to do a Frame-Off restoration on a Mopar. :D
that was harsh !!!!!! :smilielol: :smilielol:
Well there's no doubt they are being thorough - that's for sure. Knowing Allen, he's of the "better safe than sorry" mindset like I am. I sorta wish they had taken my car down to the same level they're doing with Allen's. In the end I think it could result in getting more of the rust out in hard-to-reach areas than other less invasive approaches.
I think it's gonna be fantastic when it's done - and worth the universal :scared: reaction at this stage.
Quote from: hemigeno on January 18, 2008, 10:49:22 AM
Quote from: moparstuart on January 18, 2008, 10:43:38 AM
Quote from: hemigeno on January 18, 2008, 10:37:33 AM
So Allen,
Have they sent the chassis (or what's left of it) off to the media blaster yet?
I'm beginning to wonder if the shop you went with is actually a Chevy shop trying to do a Frame-Off restoration on a Mopar. :D
that was harsh !!!!!! :smilielol: :smilielol:
Well there's no doubt they are being thorough - that's for sure. Knowing Allen, he's of the "better safe than sorry" mindset like I am. I sorta wish they had taken my car down to the same level they're doing with Allen's. In the end I think it could result in getting more of the rust out in hard-to-reach areas than other less invasive approaches.
I think it's gonna be fantastic when it's done - and worth the universal :scared: reaction at this stage.
I have had shops who get cut happy , my personal opionion is replace as little as possible . But yes also make sure you get all the rust out.
realisticly these cars will never again see bad weather for any extended period of time
Quote from: hemigeno on January 18, 2008, 10:37:33 AM
So Allen,
Have they sent the chassis (or what's left of it) off to the media blaster yet?
I'm beginning to wonder if the shop you went with is actually a Chevy shop trying to do a Frame-Off restoration on a Mopar. :D
:P Wow... Thanks buddy...
For a "Chevy Shop" they don't seem too focused...
Today was kind of an off day at the shop, I only saw:
1969 Charger (under wraps, not sure what engine)
1969 440 Charger 500 (mine)
1969 383 Road Runner
1970 440 GTX (original)
1970 AAR Cuda (original)
1971 440-6 GTX (not certain its a V code, but believe it is)
...in addition to the 1955 Thunderbird & 194? ????? Pick-Up
I met one of his other customers today, not sure which of his Mopars he plans to bring next... might be his F8 1969 Charger 500 440 4 Speed or B5 1970 Superbird 440 4 Speed car. Then there is the triple black 1970 Hemi Challenger R/T that I was told about today... seems like hard times at the "Chevy Shop".
Quote from: moparstuart on January 18, 2008, 10:43:38 AM
that was harsh !!!!!! :smilielol: :smilielol:
Kind of fits the way my week went though... :P more on that in a few days...
Quote from: hemigeno on January 18, 2008, 10:49:22 AM
I sorta wish they had taken my car down to the same level they're doing with Allen's. In the end I think it could result in getting more of the rust out in hard-to-reach areas than other less invasive approaches.
I can talk to the owner of the "Chevy Shop"... maybe he's a "Have sawzall, will travel" sort of guy... Of course if I start calling him "Chevy Joe" he might run me down with one of his cars:
1970 440 Charger R/T
196? Coronet
1970 `Cuda
19?? Duster
2006 Charger R/T
200? Cummins Ram
...or maybe his two classic Chevys or his Mustang
Quote from: moparstuart on January 18, 2008, 11:05:35 AM
I have had shop who get cut happy , my personal opionion is replace as little as possible . But yes also make sure you get all the rust out.
realisticly these cars will never again see bad weather for any extended period of time
Realistically you cannot be certain when it comes to small rust "bubbles"... they can have friends lurking unseen nearby. I have two restored cars that have had small rust bubbles appear where not had been been before, but within a foot where small spots had been repaired. With the small bubbles my C500 had around the rear wheel openings I had to make a choice:
1) Spot repair visible rust and see what happens (ostrich approach)
2) Cut out around the rear wheel openings & install patch panels, having seams visible inside the quarter panel where they could not be concealed due to lack of accessibility (original plan)
3) Bite the bullet, pay the $$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$ for the CBD quarter panels, accept some risk, and hope it works as well as many say it will...
I am not certain that I made the right decision, but having gotten burned twice before, I know option 1 is not the best one. One of the nicest looking Chargers that I looked at the Monster Mopar show had rust bubbles appearing like my two cars. Also, I made the decision early on to share the complete story on the restoration... the good & the bad!
Now maybe nobody will want to buy my C500 (what's left of it)... :2thumbs:
Allen
Oh come one now Allen, I will still want to buy it even if you stop the restoration right now, and just put it back in the barn. I'll take it as it. No need to further assembly or disassemble it, I want a 4 speed 500.
Hey you mentioned another 500 owner? A green one? why haven't you got him posting on here yet? I promise to not ask about buying his car within the first week. I'll wait for week 2. :nana:
Quote from: 69_500 on January 18, 2008, 10:44:23 PM
Oh come one now Allen, I will still want to buy it even if you stop the restoration right now, and just put it back in the barn. I'll take it as it. No need to further assembly or disassemble it, I want a 4 speed 500.
I guess it would make a good parts car... :icon_smile_wink: :icon_smile_big:
Quote from: 69_500 on January 18, 2008, 10:44:23 PM
Hey you mentioned another 500 owner? A green one? why haven't you got him posting on here yet? I promise to not ask about buying his car within the first week. I'll wait for week 2. :nana:
I just met the guy today, but he believes we met in the 1980s when I ran the local Mopar club. He has a LOT of Mopars, but like many of my friends has kept a low profile in the hobby for many years. We breifly talked about "registering" the Aero cars and I told him that I am finally doing mine. I hope he will eventually do so as well, but will respect his decision whatever it is...
Hey, I never got my 1 week grace period... :shruggy:
Allen
Realistically you cannot be certain when it comes to small rust "bubbles"... they can have friends lurking unseen nearby. I have two restored cars that have had small rust bubbles appear where not had been been before, but within a foot where small spots had been repaired. With the small bubbles my C500 had around the rear wheel openings I had to make a choice:
Allen
Quote
You know you did the right thing Allen. My quarter looked great on my charger with just some bubbles around the lower corners of the wheel well. I climbed in the trunk with a light and seen debris on the other upper parts of the wheel well and blew it off with air and seen some surface rust that was half way through. So I had to replace the whole quarter after I seen that. Also someone years ago drilled lots of holes down the center line for like 2 ft. to remove a dent.
Your 1 week grace period was taken up when I chatted to you a few times over on moparts, about 2 years ago. That was in the long drawn out "Vintage Photo" thread.
Now its game one. Feel free to make an offer on my car if you want. Just be aware that I want your worse. :nana:
Quote from: The70RT on January 18, 2008, 11:00:07 PM
You know you did the right thing Allen. My quarter looked great on my charger with just some bubbles around the lower corners of the wheel well. I climbed in the trunk with a light and seen debris on the other upper parts of the wheel well and blew it off with air and seen some surface rust that was half way through. So I had to replace the whole quarter after I seen that. Also someone years ago drilled lots of holes down the center line for like 2 ft. to remove a dent.
Thanks, I still believe that I did... still, seeing the quarter-less C500 is a bit un-nerving. I won't feel at ease until the new quarters are installed with no trace of the removal... just hoping it all goes well. We are using the "patch panel" approach on the front floorboards, I delivered the parts to the Chevy Shop today.
Also, there were some additional spots found after removal of the quarter panels... I am thinking about seeing what the cost of some type of "borescope" is... maybe my friend in the medical equipment business can get me a cheap used colo... never mind! :eek2: :smilielol: :smilielol:
Allen
Quote from: 69_500 on January 18, 2008, 11:02:26 PM
Your 1 week grace period was taken up when I chatted to you a few times over on moparts, about 2 years ago. That was in the long drawn out "Vintage Photo" thread.
Now its game one. Feel free to make an offer on my car if you want. Just be aware that I want your worse. :nana:
Thats right... I forgot to include the Moparts thread. Its a shame most of the picture links on that thread are dead... that was a lot of fun!
Allen
:hah:
Quote from: xs29j8Bullitt on January 18, 2008, 11:16:03 PM
I delivered the parts to the Chevy Shop today.
Allen, Sorry bud - I wasn't trying to make what sounds like a lousy week any worse for you. I was just wondering what the latest update was, and couldn't resist having a little fun. I know firsthand how un-nerving it can be to see a pile of sheetmetal stacked off to the side, and I'm sure you'll be glad it went that way in the end.
:cheers:
So be hoenst here which is more nerve racking. Having the car at the shop going through the stages of restoration, or begingin the search for where to do the work, or begining to start looking for he parts to eventually restore the car, or having just bought the car and figuring out that you will soon need to go through everything?
Just wondering what you guys think. I haven't even thought about where I'd get my car done, if I ever do. I have started accumulating parts for it, but then again I was buying parts for a Charger years before I had this one. And every part I was buying was for 1 of 2 cars in mind, a 500 or a Daytona.
Most of the last 10 days has been taken up by efforts to match the factory EB5 Bright Blue Metallic paint. Starting with a PPG EB5 formula mix batch done for a 1970 GTX being painted at the moment the color was compared to the best original paint available, the windshield mounting area and a polished area on the front valance that was not badly weathered. Comparing a test panel to these areas in shop light and outside in cloudy day natural light, the match was good over-all, but looked a shade too light.
The look of EB5 tends to change dramatically with lighting conditions. It was decided to take the valance panel to the paint supplier as a guide to darken the PPG formula mix. The techs at the paint supplier instead recommended that we rely on their computer driven optical scanning equipment to get an "exact" match. The unfortunate decision was made to go with their recommendation... and they missed badly!
The "match" they came up with has a decidedly gray tint to it, kind of a "slate" blue with metalflake... :P :brickwall: NOW, the paint supplier will not take the paint back... so I am stuck with $600+ worth of base paint that shares only one ingredient with the EB5 formula. The other ingredients, including the metalflake are different... They have offered to adjust the paint to the best possible match, but because they are not allowed to spray test panels (EPA rules) this would require many trips back & forth to spray test panels.
After that disaster, more comparison of test panels & GTX components to the original paint areas on the C500 and to 1969 & 1970 paint "sample" cards from dealer trim selector books. Finally, the sky cleared and a comparison in bright sunlight was made, with the match being even better than in shop light or cloudy day natural light. There is still a "1/2" shade difference, but this is probably the best possible because of the completely different paint systems used today.
Below are some pictures:
- Top two in bright sunlight... notice how the original quarter panel cap paint look changes with light angle
- Third picture in shade
- Fourth picture shows the effect of light angle on the look of EB5 Blue on the GTX tail panel
Overall, not a good week... fire-drill at work including a 13 hour day... followed by 3-4 hours per day trying to get the paint match & parts for the C500.
Allen
A few more pictures... the pictures don't capture the color differnces well though, especially the difference of the custom mix.
1) PPG formula mix compared to windshield mounting area
2) "Team B5" consultants called in to help... :lol:
3) Dealer trim selector books (1969,1970,1971) & painted samples of EB5 & GB5 (for reference)
4) Six quarts of custom mis-match paint paint that I am stuck with... (in two 1 gallon cans)
I plan to have the paint supplier take a shot at improving the look of the custom batch to make it sellable on Craigslist. The cost of 2 gallons of the PPG formula mix will be about $1336... :eek2: I decided to add 2 quarts for future disasters... :P
Allen
Quote from: hemigeno on January 19, 2008, 12:04:42 AM
:hah:
Quote from: xs29j8Bullitt on January 18, 2008, 11:16:03 PM
I delivered the parts to the Chevy Shop today.
Allen, Sorry bud - I wasn't trying to make what sounds like a lousy week any worse for you. I was just wondering what the latest update was, and couldn't resist having a little fun. I know firsthand how un-nerving it can be to see a pile of sheetmetal stacked off to the side, and I'm sure you'll be glad it went that way in the end.
:cheers:
No problem Gene - Last week wasn't too kind to me at work or with the C500
The trip to the media blaster has been delayed by weather... yes, even in Texas
Now with the delay in expected availability of the one piece AMD trunk floors and other sheetmetal parts, we have decided to delay the media blasting 4-6 weeks. In the mean time progress will continue in areas where the parts are in hand, like the installation of patch panels in the front floorboards. The partial floorboard panels are now at the shop, having been received from Year One after a bad order experience that included a gouging on shipping... $175.04 shipping costs.
The floorboard patch panels will be installed before media blasting. Also, many of the small parts & attaching hardware have already been glass beaded and are being prepared for painting, plating, or other type of finish.
Allen
Quote from: 69_500 on January 19, 2008, 09:22:27 AM
So be hoenst here which is more nerve racking. Having the car at the shop going through the stages of restoration, or begingin the search for where to do the work, or begining to start looking for he parts to eventually restore the car, or having just bought the car and figuring out that you will soon need to go through everything?
I would recommend gathering needed parts, both good used & quality reproduction parts while they are available. The good used part supply is drying up, and the great reproduction parts may only be available for a short time... especially considering the retreat in market prices for collector cars.
Quote from: 69_500 on January 19, 2008, 09:22:27 AM
Just wondering what you guys think. I haven't even thought about where I'd get my car done, if I ever do. I have started accumulating parts for it, but then again I was buying parts for a Charger years before I had this one. And every part I was buying was for 1 of 2 cars in mind, a 500 or a Daytona.
I would recommend doing some preliminary research on paint/restoration shops, but leave the direct discussions & pricing until you are 3-6 months from starting. Prices & work quality change, shops come and go especially when it comes to restoration work. Major restoration shops may be more stable (Roger Gibson, MCR, Etc), but much higher in cost $$$$$$$$$$$.
Just my :Twocents:
Allen
Allen, media blasting will leave rust inside the cowl especially the top, inside the back part of doors and on areas backside of the rear side window area. This is hard to see without using a mirror or taking pictures from inside.
Regards
Bob
hooverautoparts.com
Quote from: Rob1426 on January 20, 2008, 05:03:15 PM
Allen, media blasting will leave rust inside the cowl especially the top, inside the back part of doors and on areas backside of the rear side window area. This is hard to see without using a mirror or taking pictures from inside.
Regards
Bob
hooverautoparts.com
Hi Bob... Imagine running into a `Cuda guy like you on a Charger forum. Well, you did own a Charger one time... :icon_smile_big:
As far as plastic media blasting, I know that it will not remove rust. Selective sand blasting will also be done on very limited areas like the sub-frames, but not on sheet metal. But some "blind" areas will not be accessible for removing surface rust, although all areas showing rust penetration have been opened up. The blind areas will be treated with POR-15 or similar rust inhibitor treatment.
How's the `Cuda doing?
Allen
QuoteSelective sand blasting will also be done on very limited areas like the sub-frames, but not on sheet metal. But some "blind" areas will not be accessible for removing surface rust, although all areas showing rust penetration have been opened up. The blind areas will be treated with POR-15 or similar rust inhibitor treatment.
:2thumbs: :cheers: thats the best way. thats how i did my charger. it's those sneaky places that come back and get ya. i also sand blasted the body. you have to be careful doing that . my guy has been doing it a long time and knows how to be gentle and not warp any panels. RENE
Quote from: xs29j8Bullitt on January 20, 2008, 05:45:56 PM
Quote from: Rob1426 on January 20, 2008, 05:03:15 PM
Allen, media blasting will leave rust inside the cowl especially the top, inside the back part of doors and on areas backside of the rear side window area. This is hard to see without using a mirror or taking pictures from inside.
Regards
Bob
hooverautoparts.com
Hi Bob... Imagine running into a `Cuda guy like you on a Charger forum. Well, you did own a Charger one time... :icon_smile_big:
As far as plastic media blasting, I know that it will not remove rust. Selective sand blasting will also be done on very limited areas like the sub-frames, but not on sheet metal. But some "blind" areas will not be accessible for removing surface rust, although all areas showing rust penetration have been opened up. The blind areas will be treated with POR-15 or similar rust inhibitor treatment.
How's the `Cuda doing?
Allen
i had a really bad experience with por 15 hopefully it has gotten better in the last 5 years
Quote from: moparstuart on January 20, 2008, 07:30:26 PM
Quote from: xs29j8Bullitt on January 20, 2008, 05:45:56 PM
Quote from: Rob1426 on January 20, 2008, 05:03:15 PM
Allen, media blasting will leave rust inside the cowl especially the top, inside the back part of doors and on areas backside of the rear side window area. This is hard to see without using a mirror or taking pictures from inside.
Regards
Bob
hooverautoparts.com
Hi Bob... Imagine running into a `Cuda guy like you on a Charger forum. Well, you did own a Charger one time... :icon_smile_big:
As far as plastic media blasting, I know that it will not remove rust. Selective sand blasting will also be done on very limited areas like the sub-frames, but not on sheet metal. But some "blind" areas will not be accessible for removing surface rust, although all areas showing rust penetration have been opened up. The blind areas will be treated with POR-15 or similar rust inhibitor treatment.
How's the `Cuda doing?
Allen
i had a really bad experience with por 15 hopefully it has gotten better in the last 5 years
What happened?? :shruggy:
http://www.dodgecharger.com/forum/index.php/topic,32617.msg360034.html#msg360034
here is a picture , it's suppost to bond to the metal and become one , after five-six years it was peeling off i huge strips we had to peel it all up
if you look at the passenger side cockpit floor pan , that is were we had used POR-15 rust product on the new floor pans installed 5 some years ago . By the time ed my new body man got the car it was all peeling up . Not so impressed with Por-15 any one else had good or bad experiences ?
the rusty surface on the floor is where i had started to peel it up and then it started started surface rusting right away .
Quote from: moparstuart on January 21, 2008, 09:41:42 AM
http://www.dodgecharger.com/forum/index.php/topic,32617.msg360034.html#msg360034
here is a picture , it's suppost to bond to the metal and become one , after five-six years it was peeling off i huge strips we had to peel it all up
if you look at the passenger side cockpit floor pan , that is were we had used POR-15 rust product on the new floor pans installed 5 some years ago . By the time ed my new body man got the car it was all peeling up . Not so impressed with Por-15 any one else had good or bad experiences ?
the rusty surface on the floor is where i had started to peel it up and then it started started surface rusting right away .
I just hit a few places on mine. Mostly inside hidden places such as frame rails, rear cross member, behind the rear valance, etc. I used the eastwood rust encapulator. Probably the same stuff? I seen where some did the whole bottom but mine was pretty much rust free so I didn't have too.
hey
i've used eastwood rust encapulator . works well even years later and i used rust bullet. i like ita lot better then por 15 . less prep and 6 yrs later , no peeling. Rene
Quote from: BigBlockSam on January 21, 2008, 12:09:09 PM
hey
i've used eastwood rust encapulator . works well even years later and i used rust bullet. i like ita lot better then por 15 . less prep and 6 yrs later , no peeling. Rene
i think rust bullet may be what they used to replace the por 15 stuff on my car, I know i spent a fortune on that por 15 stuff with no results
Quote from: moparstuart on January 21, 2008, 09:41:42 AM
that is were we had used POR-15 rust product on the new floor pans installed 5 some years ago
I thought POR-15 was not to be used (useless) on clean, bare metal or painted surfaces, only rust???
Quote from: FJMG on January 21, 2008, 12:57:55 PM
Quote from: moparstuart on January 21, 2008, 09:41:42 AM
that is were we had used POR-15 rust product on the new floor pans installed 5 some years ago
I thought POR-15 was not to be used (useless) on clean, bare metal or painted surfaces, only rust???
maybe thats the way it is now but our instruction said it would bond to clean new metal to prevent it from rusting ? I purchased several different product from them for different surfaces and problem . Like i said i spent alot of money with them !!!!!
i was told that por 15 was good on new metal surfaces too but I've read several people that have had problems . they say that the problem was that the metal wasn't prepped right . rust bullet needs no prep . I'm gonna do the floors and inside roof with it in my challenger . the floors on my rr still look great . I'll applie it with a brush there
when i put the new trunk floor in my 68, i sprayed rust en capsalator from underneath . like a primer then put the paint on top. lets see how it holds up . Rene
Quote from: BigBlockSam on January 21, 2008, 02:18:41 PM
i was told that por 15 was good on new metal surfaces too but I've read several people that have had problems . they say that the problem was that the metal wasn't prepped right .
That is what I though might be the problem... maybe floorboard patch panels need to be blasted or scuffed up noticeably for the stuff to adhere. I expect prepping the new metal surface to give the material being applied a place to grab onto is a good idea with any of the products.
Stuart - What type of surface prep was done on the new floorboards?
Looks like I have another learning curve to start on... BTW, Good Discussion! :cheers:
Allen
I had a few por issues....seems it needs somehing to grip too and it should be warmer than 50 degrees when applied, else it just peels right off.
Quote from: xs29j8Bullitt on January 21, 2008, 05:44:40 PM
Quote from: BigBlockSam on January 21, 2008, 02:18:41 PM
i was told that por 15 was good on new metal surfaces too but I've read several people that have had problems . they say that the problem was that the metal wasn't prepped right .
That is what I though might be the problem... maybe floorboard patch panels need to be blasted or scuffed up noticeably for the stuff to adhere. I expect prepping the new metal surface to give the material being applied a place to grab onto is a good idea with any of the products.
Stuart - What type of surface prep was done on the new floorboards?
Looks like I have another learning curve to start on... BTW, Good Discussion! :cheers:
Allen
not positive what the prep was , it was my former body shop who ripped me off . But i know it was prepped and even where the new floors were welded in and ground down it did not stick . Or there words bond and become one with the metal !!! ?
Quote from: SFRT on January 21, 2008, 05:49:06 PM
I had a few por issues....seems it needs somehing to grip too and it should be warmer than 50 degrees when applied, else it just peels right off.
this guy only worked on my car in the summer so the cold would not be an issue . 100 plus degrees maybe .!!!!
I started a thread about the subject over on Moparts... lets see what the gurus over there say. :popcrn: :popcrn: :popcrn:
http://board.moparts.org/ubbthreads/showflat.php?Cat=0&Number=4127244&an=0&page=0#Post4127244
Allen
They have guru's over at Moparts? We need to get some of those people over here. I get lost trying to find threads over there. They need to expand the locations of posting over there instead of just general discussion. Then threads get axed after a few weeks too.
I always find the word "guru" as something to laugh at. Heck I find it hard to call anyone a guru. I'd have a hard time calling Naismith a guru of basketball, and he invented it.
Well, gurus or not, the Restoration Forum on Moparts gets a fair amount of traffic... so I thought I would give it a try!
Someone posted a link to Rust Bullet's testing results page:
http://rustbullet.com/IndTesting/NTS/NTS.htm
Allen
that rust bullet looks pretty good. i think i'm going to try it out myself.
i did my truck frame about 10 years ago in POR15. after a few years of daily driving, it was peeling and the rust bled trough the coating.
I think the success of POR-15 hinges on the surface preparation. We sandblasted and followed (nearly) all of the POR-15 recommended prep procedures on the entire frame & suspension components on my 2-ton truck's restoration. Later on, we were trying to clean off some parts that had been inadvertently painted the wrong color with that stuff. The sandblaster was still sitting around so we fired that up thinking it would make quick work of the paint/finish. Wrong. The sand just bounced off of that stuff. Wouldn't touch it, and a wire wheel took forever to get it back down to metal. :brickwall:
There has been hydraulic & brake fluid plus every other vehicle lubricant on my frame, axles and/or wheels and it hasn't phased that stuff a bit.
:Twocents:
I vote for Zero Rust. It's been good to me all the way!
I've used POR-15 on my car trailer, my car, and my friend's cars. The only way to get it off after it has cured is to GRIND IT OFF.
Tough stuff.
Never a problem.
I wouldn't waste my time even trying anything else, even if "the other stuff" was free.
Most bare metal comes with some kind of protective coating on it, usually an oily base of some kind. If you don't get it all removed you definitely will have problems.
Looks like all the products have their pros & cons, but POR-15 is taking a beating on the Moparts thread...
I have decided to try Rust Bullet on the C500. I plan to go to see the C500 later today and talk to Joe about the product. With the continuing long 11-13 hour days at work this week, I haven't seen the car in the last week.
Allen
I went by the paint shop this afternoon... MoProgress has been made! The C500 is no longer a Flintstone car... Floorboards are in!
Until now, when progress was made the car looked worse because of it... now it is slowly starting to look MoBetter! :icon_smile_big:
Although not fully dressed up yet, the installation looks very good. More heavy rust pitting and other small issues were found on the driver's side, so the decision was made install the full length of the repair panel on that side. Doing so uses factory seams on 3 of the 4 sides, with the transmission tunnel side being the only seam needing to be concealed. The smaller passenger side repair has to have the rear seam concealed in addition to the trans tunnel seam. When fully dressed out the repairs will be invisible, not just covered by the carpet.
Some pictures taken today...
Allen
Pictures from the underside of the car... note the clean trimming of the repair panel where the 4 spd shifter hump is installed...
Allen
nice work :yesnod: ......... starting to look good now .......... :2thumbs: :popcrn:
Quote from: tan top on January 25, 2008, 07:33:39 PM
:scope: nice work .................. :yesnod: :popcrn:
Thanks... Joe does good work. :yesnod:
The Classic Body Designs reproduction quarter panels have been unboxed and are being cleaned and prepared for primer and sound deadening application. The heavy oily protective coating did its job well, but getting it all off is proving to be a pain. Still, it is great the quarter panels come with the coating!!!
I am also getting a closer look now at the detail of the quarter panels... Everything looks GREAT! Thanks to Ron Lushia of CBD! :2thumbs:
If they fit as well as they look, the quarter panels will be worth the investment...
Allen
Starting to look better. :RantExplode: The better it gets looking the less likely you are to get fed up with it and finally break down and sell it to me. :icon_smile_wink:
Keep up the work Allen. I love seeing the progress photos'. Odds are mine will never make it to those stages, I don't know if I could go without driving it for long enough to do all that.
Quote from: 69_500 on January 25, 2008, 07:53:01 PM
Starting to look better. :RantExplode: The better it gets looking the less likely you are to get fed up with it and finally break down and sell it to me. :icon_smile_wink:
:nana: :icon_smile_wink:
First a few "action" shots from today... removing some of the quarter panel edges left when the quarters were cut off. Also melting out the quarter panel to roof panel seam lead.
A little change in schedule... doing a few things before sending to the media blaster, but it should go there in the next week or two. Some of these changes should make the media blaster's job a bit easier...
Allen
Now, for the 500th reply to this thread... thar's B5 Blue on some C500 parts! :2thumbs: :coolgleamA: :icon_smile_big: :icon_smile_big: :icon_smile_big:
Allen
Edit: For the record, I was out-gunned for the 500th post by Danny, but he quickly deleted his post so mine could be the 500th. The "Young Gun" can type a lot faster than me! :P
Thanks Danny... I'm still :smilielol: :smilielol: :smilielol:
:smilielol: :smilielol: :smilielol:
You had me cold with your 500th post snipe Danny! Then you deleted it before I could have some fun with it... Thanks, but you should have left it... :yesnod: I had a good laugh out of it! :2thumbs:
MoBlue C500 parts...
Allen
you should name the car moblue that sounds great
Good idea to put all the bolts into cardboard and spray them. :2thumbs:
QuoteGood idea to put all the bolts into cardboard and spray them.
i did that with mine , then messed some of them up during installation. :brickwall:
Quote from: BigBlockSam on January 30, 2008, 11:37:34 AM
QuoteGood idea to put all the bolts into cardboard and spray them.
i did that with mine , then messed some of them up during installation. :brickwall:
Ya but a little touch up paint and you are back in business. I had to try and touch up the whole bolt.
Okay I deleted the other post, to allow Allen the glory of taking the 500th post in a thread about his 500. Maybe if and when I ever get around to doing my car, I'll steal the thunder and post for the 500th time about it.
Looks like the car is coming along pretty well there Allen. OH and the other post I asked who "Gary Snyder" was and why he was writing on your pretty 500?
Side note, Allen why paint the entire inner quarter panel blue? Just curious there. I figure you'd apply some paint to it, but I would have thought more of a black instead of blue.
And what is the plan for reinstalling those pretty blue bolts, IE how are you going to do it without scratching the paint off of them?
Quote from: 69_500 on January 30, 2008, 04:59:33 PM
Okay I deleted the other post, to allow Allen the glory of taking the 500th post in a thread about his 500. Maybe if and when I ever get around to doing my car, I'll steal the thunder and post for the 500th time about it.
Thanks again Danny... Ya should have seen me typing "fast" trying to prevent someone else from getting the 500th reply... then I had problems attaching one of the pictures... :brickwall:
Quote from: 69_500 on January 30, 2008, 04:59:33 PM
Looks like the car is coming along pretty well there Allen. OH and the other post I asked who "Gary Snyder" was and why he was writing on your pretty 500?
:shruggy: Dunno... I'll ask next time I go by the shop... IF I remember! :P
Quote from: 69_500 on January 30, 2008, 04:59:33 PM
Side note, Allen why paint the entire inner quarter panel blue? Just curious there. I figure you'd apply some paint to it, but I would have thought more of a black instead of blue.
Yeah, you are right... I OK'd the body color over sound deadener, but I am having second thoughts... :scratchchin:
I might talk to Joe about spraying more sound deadener over it if it is feasible... or I might leave it as is... ??? As I have said before, my C500 will not be a prime example of strict originality, but I still want it fairly close.
OK... Non-Binding Survey guys/gals: As is (body color) or black?Quote from: 69_500 on January 30, 2008, 04:59:33 PM
And what is the plan for reinstalling those pretty blue bolts, IE how are you going to do it without scratching the paint off of them?
As was mentioned earlier, some touch-up will be required. I made the mistake painting the bolts on my `Cuda after installation...
PITA... errrr...... I mean neck. One trick that I have used is installing with cheap six-sided sockets which generally have a looser fit than well made sockets, putting a small piece of thicker type plastic bag material (like from very large Zip-Lock bags) over the bolt head to fill the void between the bolt head & socket. In fact I think someone even makes sockets with plastic inserts to do the same thing...
Allen
Quote from: xs29j8Bullitt on January 30, 2008, 06:36:28 PM
Quote from: 69_500 on January 30, 2008, 04:59:33 PM
Side note, Allen why paint the entire inner quarter panel blue? Just curious there. I figure you'd apply some paint to it, but I would have thought more of a black instead of blue.
Yeah, you are right... I OK'd the body color over sound deadener, but I am having second thoughts... :scratchchin:
I might talk to Joe about spraying more sound deadener over it if it is feasible... or I might leave it as is... ??? As I have said before, my C500 will not be a prime example of strict originality, but I still want it fairly close.
OK... Non-Binding Survey guys/gals: As is (body color) or black?
Here is how the C500 was originally... light coat of blue paint on the inside of the quarter panel with black sound deadener sloppily shot over it... this is the neater side... :RantExplode:
Allen
Allen,
It's your car man, so paint it whatever color floats your boat. It'd look GREAT all-blue like that if you're going for the over-restored look. Going that route doesn't mean you still cannot pay attention to other manufacturing quirks and details, but what you have on the car would fit much better on an over-restored than a concours-correct type of restoration.
What are you going to do on the underside of the car - primer & overspray or complete body color?
:popcrn:
Quote from: hemigeno on January 30, 2008, 07:01:46 PM
Allen,
It's your car man, so paint it whatever color floats your boat. It'd look GREAT all-blue like that if you're going for the over-restored look. Going that route doesn't mean you still cannot pay attention to other manufacturing quirks and details, but what you have on the car would fit much better on an over-restored than a concours-correct type of restoration.
What are you going to do on the underside of the car - primer & overspray or complete body color?
:popcrn:
Thanks Gene, I am definitely
not going the concours route... maybe the "wee-bit over-restored" almost correct look... :shruggy: It started out to be the "nice driver" look, BUT.................... :P
The bottom will be the correct "primer & overspray" look! :yesnod:
I am just trying to strike a balance between originality, long term restoration durability, & relative ease of restoration... still re-thinking some plans though. What's your thoughts Gene?
Allen
Personally (and my opinion plus $0.45 will get you a cup of coffee), I would think if you're going to do primer & overspray on the bottomside, the trunk should look more-or-less like Hamtramck did it also. It certainly wouldn't be the most heinous crime against humanity if you left it just the way it is.
In a lot of respects, my car is not going to officially be up to "concours" standards by some definitions either. There are several parts that Vance may end up giving some sort of coating rather than leaving them bare and exposed to the elements. Like you, I am determined not to build a display-only car, so I'm willing to make some concessions in this area for the sake of durability.
I dunno what would be the best way to get that look from how things are now. I seriously doubt you need much help figuring out how things were done originally, but some other folks reading the thread might be curious. From what I read, the sound deadener was sprayed on at the stamping plant before the quarterpanels ever hit the factory floor. They were shot with overspray from where the trunk floor and wheelwells were painted, but no attempt was made to coat the whole quarterpanel. I guess what didn't have overspray on it or what wasn't coated with sound deadener would still show the metal primer used at the stamping plant and/or the various primers/coatings that the car got dunked in (depending on which part of the quarterpanel you are looking at). It's enough to drive you batty when you start studying all the intricate details. :brickwall:
For those who haven't seen them yet, here are a couple of pics Frank Badalson took of the Malcom's V2 (unrestored?) Daytona that are posted on the WW/NBOA (http://www.wwnboa.com/daytdetails.htm) site:
Quote from: hemigeno on January 30, 2008, 08:21:35 PM
From what I read, the sound deadener was sprayed on at the stamping plant before the quarterpanels ever hit the factory floor. They were shot with overspray from where the trunk floor and wheelwells were painted, but no attempt was made to coat the whole quarterpanel. I guess what didn't have overspray on it or what wasn't coated with sound deadener would still show the metal primer used at the stamping plant and/or the various primers/coatings that the car got dunked in (depending on which part of the quarterpanel you are looking at). It's enough to drive you batty when you start studying all the intricate details. :brickwall:
The sequence that you describe makes sense, but the C500 seems to show sound deadener on top of paint (notice the straight line transition). Unless the overspray of paint on the sound deadener came off during the 39 years that have passed... :shruggy:
I will try to peel up some of the sound deadener this weekend to see what is under it... make room at the wall for me... :brickwall: :brickwall: :brickwall:
Allen
Quote from: moparstuart on January 30, 2008, 09:48:38 AM
you should name the car moblue that sounds great
I had considered naming the C500 "MoBlue" as a triple play on words...
1) Its a
MoPar
2) From
MO (Missouri)
3) Which will be
Mo' Fun taking to show than an E-Body...
Allen
I went by the paint shop today, and saw the quarter panels decorating the wall... ;)
My main reason for stopping by was to check out the Ma Mopar approved reproductions of outer wheel housings purchased from Goodmark Industries. The repros looked good, and seemed to have all the correct contours...
Some pictures taken today...
Allen
Joe wasted no time... the UPS truck was barely out of the neighborhood, and he was at work taking the rust damaged housings off!
MoPictures...
Allen
I think with a good 3 or 4 more cuts he can have the whole car apart at this stage. :nana: Only kidding.
Isn't it wonderful having access to all of the reproduction panels that are on the market today, compared to back in the 80's or even the 90's? If you wanted to replace that much sheet metal on the car when you bought it, you would have had to have had a whole other car wouldn't you Allen?
Oh, so how long until you start on the Daytona now?
Quote from: xs29j8Bullitt on January 30, 2008, 09:19:44 PM
I had considered naming the C500 "MoBlue" as a triple play on words...
3) Which will be Mo' Fun taking to show than an E-Body...
Allen
I moved a shaker '71 6 pak car around at work today--as much as I don't like e bodies, watching that hood was mesmerizing...
the pics of Malcom's car don't do it justice. The car shows just how much of a train wreck Daytonas were from CI.
Wow Allen !!!! Looking like a see-thru car now...........................
Looking forward in seeing the reciprocal of all this, back together...............
Troy
Quote from: 69_500 on January 31, 2008, 08:09:45 PM
I think with a good 3 or 4 more cuts he can have the whole car apart at this stage. :nana: Only kidding.
... and then you won't want it anymore?... :D :nana:
Quote from: 69_500 on January 31, 2008, 08:09:45 PM
Isn't it wonderful having access to all of the reproduction panels that are on the market today, compared to back in the 80's or even the 90's? If you wanted to replace that much sheet metal on the car when you bought it, you would have had to have had a whole other car wouldn't you Allen?
The access to high quality reproduction parts has definitely changed my approach to the restoration! Without the full quarter panels available now, the repair would have mainly involved removing sections of the lower quarter panels for spot repairs with "patch panels" or hand formed pieces. A donor car would not have been required, most of the needed pieces would have been about the same shape on any available car. The initial plan was to spot repair the quarters, but I still think that this is a better approach... I hope!
Quote from: 69_500 on January 31, 2008, 08:09:45 PM
Oh, so how long until you start on the Daytona now?
Probably a long time... the triple black '68 Charger is next, and the Superbird & '69 Road Runner are battling for the following spot after it.
Allen
Quote from: pettybird on January 31, 2008, 09:02:46 PM
Quote from: xs29j8Bullitt on January 30, 2008, 09:19:44 PM
I had considered naming the C500 "MoBlue" as a triple play on words...
3) Which will be Mo' Fun taking to show than an E-Body...
Allen
I moved a shaker '71 6 pak car around at work today--as much as I don't like e bodies, watching that hood was mesmerizing...
I like E-Bodies a lot, with 70-74 'Cudas running a very close second to 68-70 Chargers on my all time favorites list. My FY1 Lemon Twist yellow '70 `Cuda 440-6 is one of my cars that can't imagine ever selling, but I am ready to drive a Charger again! Also, B-Bodies are a lot more comfortable... especially on long trips!!! :Twocents:
Allen
Quote from: hemi68charger on February 01, 2008, 01:34:27 PM
Wow Allen !!!! Looking like a see-thru car now...........................
Looking forward in seeing the reciprocal of all this, back together...............
Troy
Thanks Troy, the C500 should look a lot better in 3-4 months... maybe sooner. It will still be a long way from finished, but will look like a car again...
The outer wheel housings are almost the final parts to be removed, only the remainder of the quarter panels & rear valance are still due for removal after plastic media blasting.
Allen
I am starting to locate some of the parts needed for the C500 both "in stock" and on eBay and other Internet sources. The right side headlight bezel was damaged on my C500, and I already had a NOS C500 grille, so I have been looking for NOS headlight bezels. I bought a NOS left headlight bezel on eBay last November for $56, and later a NOS right headlight showed up... but the seller wanted $375 so I passed on it.
Pictures:
1) The NOS left side headlight bezel bought on eBay for $56
2) The NOS right side headlight bezel on eBay for $375... No Thanks (BTW, notice it is a RH... but marked LH)
3) My NOS grille & bezel alongside the original C500 grille
Allen
Today I bought a nice used pair of headlight bezels on eBay, but will still to try to find a NOS RH bezel. I plan to use the NOS parts and keep the nice used parts as spares (I plan to DRIVE the C500!).
When I buy on eBay... I SNIPE! :yesnod: Below can be seen a prime reason... notice the bid after bid approach of one of the bidders on todays auction... I bid with 8 seconds to go in the auction. :D
The used bezels that I bought today were supposedly stored for the last 30 years... they do look nice in the pictures.
Allen
I also recently won an auction on a NOS PN 2901811 taillight panel emblem which has some shelf wear. If necessary, I will have it "restored".
Some vendor now remakes the 2901811 emblem, but it does not look well done in the only picture that I have of a repro... take a look and compare to the original ones in the pictures below.
BTW, THANKS to Dave H for the heads-up on the auction for the NOS emblem! :cheers:
Allen
QuoteWhen I buy on eBay... I SNIPE!
:yesnod: metoo. like that you don't bring the price up
Every time I try to puchase a part for the 500 I too have tried the sniping method. Only problem is that I usually wind up being the one who lost the auction by a matter of $.50 or something to that effect.
Oh and I don't care if you do get it down to just 3 or 4 total panels on the car, I still want it Allen. There is no getting around that one. I want it, and oh while i"m at it I'll take the Daytona too. :nana:
Quote from: xs29j8Bullitt on January 31, 2008, 07:09:43 PM
My main reason for stopping by was to check out the Ma Mopar approved reproductions of outer wheel housings purchased from Goodmark Industries. The repros looked good, and seemed to have all the correct contours...
Well, that'll leave a (Good)mark... :flame: :flame: :flame:
I spoke too soon... A lesson learned... Chrysler approved "authentic restoration" part + a vendor with a fairly good reputation = NOTHING :brickwall:
The outer wheel housings received from
Goodmark Industries were not as good as they appeared at first look. After doing a fairly decent job on the contours (at least visually... quarter panels have not been installed), they botched up the forward flange big time... putting a generic constant width narrow flange instead of the wider one with a tooling locating hole like the original part.
The driver's side outer wheel housing was installed by the body shop before I knew about the problem by cutting off pieces of the original housing flange and scabbing them onto the repro housing... :P They are used to making sub-standard repro parts work because that was all that was available for many years.
Work on the C500 has been stopped until I figure out what to do. The LH outer wheel housing is installed, but the RH one has not...
Some pictures below and on the following posts...
Allen
Pictures from the LH (Driver's) side installed outer wheel housing...
Pictures from the RH (Passenger) Side for flange width comparison...
I guess I spoke too soon, about how great it is to have the many available replacement parts these days huh? Still better than it used to be, but not quite perfect huh?
So any chance of using the flange area off of the origionals, and using them to fix/alter the replacements?
Quote from: 69_500 on February 08, 2008, 05:15:42 PM
I guess I spoke too soon, about how great it is to have the many available replacement parts these days huh? Still better than it used to be, but not quite perfect huh?
So any chance of using the flange area off of the origionals, and using them to fix/alter the replacements?
Basically that is what was done on the driver's side... it is better than nothing, BUT...
I was assured today that the new AMD repros WILL have the proper flange & tooling hole... so the options are:
Driver's Side -
1) Leave the patched up Goodmark :flame: "authentic repro" on and hope the got the contours for the quarter panel right... :P
2) Tear the Goodmark :flame: "authentic repro" off and wait 30-45 days (or possibly longer) for the AMD repros
Passenger Side -
1) Cobble together the Goodmark :flame: "authentic
POS repro" like on the driver's side & pray for good contours for the quarter
2) Wait for the AMD repro to be available
3) Spot repair the original outer wheel housing which is not as bad as the driver's side was (leaning to this option)
The fact Goodmark :flame: sells a bottom feeder "authentic repro" part is not nearly as bad as how they act after the fact is brought to their attention... :flame: :flame: :flame: :flame: :flame:
Allen
I hear you there, but who likes to be shown that they did something wrong? I know I don't like to be corrected, but then again IT HAPPENS A LOT. I get corrected all of the time, whether I like it or not. :2thumbs:
Sorry to hear about your wheelhouse woes.
I see time has done nothing to improve the quality of the Goodmark product.
Several years ago, I faced a similar circumstance. I restored a friend's 1970 Roadrunner convertible. There were hardtop wheelhouses on the market, but none for convertibles. So I modified a pair of hardtop parts for the 'vert. Not too bad. The quarters fit the contours of the wheelhouse perfectly. I was satisfied.
Two years later, I bought quarters and wheelhouses for my Charger.Thus began the exercise into frustration and futility!
The wheelhouse had a flange at the top, with a fairly accurate locating hole for reference. OK.
After I installed the left wheelhouse, I found that it was 1/2-1 inch wider at the rocker panel than stock. In fact, the quarter panel at the rocker seam actually projected out and away from the rocker flange. I was forced to "pie-cut" the wheelhouse to pull it in. Then, after all that....the contour of the wheelhouse opening wouldn't fit the wheel opening on the quarter panel! The factory chrome trim fit the wheel opening perfectly, so obviously the problem was with the wheelhouse.
Many hours of labour, cutting, bending, welding...and I made it fit.
Not long afterwards, I read a similar story in a Mopar magazine.
Even now, years later, I'm still torqued about it. So much so, I may cut those quarters off just to remove those wheelhouses, and replace them with a better set!
I'd hoped for your sake that issues in build quality with those wheelhouses would be resolved by now.
Obviously, they're not.
Quote from: Magnumcharger on February 08, 2008, 06:07:27 PM
After I installed the left wheelhouse, I found that it was 2-3 inches wider at the rocker panel than stock. In fact, the quarter panel at the rocker seam actually projected out and away from the rocker flange. I was forced to "pie-cut" the wheelhouse to pull it in. Then, after all that....the contour of the wheelhouse opening wouldn't fit the wheel opening on the quarter panel! The factory chrome trim fit the wheel opening perfectly, so obviously the problem was with the wheelhouse.
OMG... the problem might be a lot worse than I realized! Is this the problem that you encountered? Unless the camera angles are playing tricks on my eyes...
I hate to say it but youre body guy is very likely to run into some ugly trouble with welding that wheelhouse on before the 1/4 panel
they need to be loosely place on the car together to find the best fit.
After you get the fit good, clamp, screw or tack weld the wheelhouse, remove the 1/4 , weld the w/h panel the rest of the way.
next finish out the welds on the wheel house panel then refit the 1/4 and finish weld it on. :Twocents:
I'm sorry to hear of your wheelhouse woes xx28j8bullitt, Besides magnumchargers story, The website 69hemi.com also shows the difficulty of the mopar repro sheetmetal. It is very frustrating when my buddy buys his cheap chevy parts and they fit like a glove whereas our expensive mopar "authentic" stuff requires 30 hrs of body shop modifications to make them fit! Like magnum I thought that these oversights were ironed out by now, obviously not!
However if its any consolation (probably not) this thread is invaluable to people like me who are 6-10 mos. behind you. So as much as I feel your frustration I can't thank you enough for sharing all these details!
Quote from: 1hot68 on February 08, 2008, 10:28:51 PM
I hate to say it but youre body guy is very likely to run into some ugly trouble with welding that wheelhouse on before the 1/4 panel
they need to be loosely place on the car together to find the best fit.
After you get the fit good, clamp, screw or tack weld the wheelhouse, remove the 1/4 , weld the w/h panel the rest of the way.
next finish out the welds on the wheel house panel then refit the 1/4 and finish weld it on. :Twocents:
To some degree I agree that approach would "fine tune" the fit if the problems were .060 to .120 or even .180 or so mis-matches, but the problems appear to be .50 to .75 or even 1.00 inches! But, with limiting features like the rocker, roof support beam, and the mounting flange of the inner wheel housing itself, the adjustment range is VERY limited without darting & splicing the sheetmetal itself. Basically "clocking the outer wheel housing a degree or two is about the best adjustment available. Shimming the outer wheel housing out or down would make the mis-matches worse.
If the entire wheel housing was being replaced, your approach would definitely be needed.
Just my take on the situation...
Allen
Yes...That is EXACTLY what I'm talking about. :flame:
Next thing you'll want to check is to see if:
a) the contour of the wheelwell fits the quarterpanel wheel opening, ...then
b) How the outer wheelhouse fits against the inner wheelhouse. Are they flush? Or is there a severe gap, caused by a different radius of the metal at the interface? Mine are going to require body seam sealer to take up the slack BEFORE the undercoating is sprayed in the wheelhouse.
I hate Goodmark SO MUCH!!!!!!! :flame:
Quote from: FJMG on February 08, 2008, 11:00:22 PM
I'm sorry to hear of your wheelhouse woes xx28j8bullitt, Besides magnumchargers story, The website 69hemi.com also shows the difficulty of the mopar repro sheetmetal. It is very frustrating when my buddy buys his cheap chevy parts and they fit like a glove whereas our expensive mopar "authentic" stuff requires 30 hrs of body shop modifications to make them fit! Like magnum I thought that these oversights were ironed out by now, obviously not!
However if its any consolation (probably not) this thread is invaluable to people like me who are 6-10 mos. behind you. So as much as I feel your frustration I can't thank you enough for sharing all these details!
Thanks... I hope this thread does help you & others! It is beginning to look like this lesson will cost me $600-$700 in wasted hard earned money for junk parts & body shop labor to put the POS on & take it back off! :RantExplode:
Right now Auto Metal Direct & Classic Body Designs are the ONLY sheetmetal reproducers that I have any faith in... time will tell if it is well placed or not!
Allen
Allen,
I hope things turn out better for you!
Quote from: Magnumcharger on February 08, 2008, 11:44:02 PM
Yes...That is EXACTLY what I'm talking about. :flame:
Next thing you'll want to check is to see if:
a) the contour of the wheelwell fits the quarterpanel wheel opening, ...then
b) How the outer wheelhouse fits against the inner wheelhouse. Are they flush? Or is there a severe gap, caused by a different radius of the metal at the interface? Mine are going to require body seam sealer to take up the slack BEFORE the undercoating is sprayed in the wheelhouse.
I hate Goodmark SO MUCH!!!!!!! :flame:
Thanks for the confirmation... I will have another look at it Monday or Tuesday...
There is a "gap" on the inside caused by the larger bend radius on the repro... but this will likely be a problem on all repro parts due to using single strike tooling to save tooling costs. There are also several other problem areas with the wheel housing, but I am only ranting about the big issues...
Allen
Sorry to hear about all of the problems. You're diligence will pay off in the end. It's obvious that your car will be top notch.
The problems with the poor repro parts is part of the reason that I refuse to take on concours type restorations. The headaches are endless.
And, for the record, I always leave the outer wheelhouses and trunk dropoffs tacked into place until after the quarters have been test fitted. Learned that lesson the hard way on my chal convert. I spend more time test fitting than anyone you've ever seen. Really slows down the assembly but at least I only assemble it once.
I had the same excact problem, the contours dont match for s**t, I did what Brian said, and test fitted the quarter before welding it in, but that was mostly because my roof support was rusted and gone.
I had the Shermans wheelhouse, and i think i've read somewhere that they are Coronet wheelhouses? and that's why they fit so poorly?
Quote from: FJMG on February 08, 2008, 11:00:22 PM
Besides magnumchargers story, The website 69hemi.com also shows the difficulty of the mopar repro sheetmetal. It is very frustrating when my buddy buys his cheap chevy parts and they fit like a glove whereas our expensive mopar "authentic" stuff requires 30 hrs of body shop modifications to make them fit! Like magnum I thought that these oversights were ironed out by now, obviously not!
Thanks for the tip about the outer wheel house problem documented on 69Hemi.Com... it the exact same #$%@#! crap! It is starting to look like the currently available outer wheel housings are all from the same tooling, and probably based on Coronet parts which are apparently different.
I am going to find out the truth about these "authentic reproductions"... this isn't close to being over!
Pictures below are from http://www.69hemi.com (in the "sheetmetal" section):
Allen
Hey Allen, sorry for all your misfortune......thought I read another resto thread and it was alright to use a 383 4spd car as a donor for the more important cars of our hobby...........guess I see why the original sheet metal is so important still. Hope you find wheel houses that really fit maybe the AMD parts are correct? I'm enjoying your resto story, hope it helps others avoid these pitfalls.
XS
Depends on who your asking as to if its okay to use a 383 car to restore another car or not. That was a big discussion in the other thread if I recall. It wasn't 100% cut and dried either way.
Quote from: 69_500 on February 09, 2008, 04:40:37 PM
Depends on who your asking as to if its okay to use a 383 car to restore another car or not. That was a big discussion in the other thread if I recall. It wasn't 100% cut and dried either way.
Hi Danny, I was being a bit sarcastic but after seeing these disastorous pics I can understand using original sheet metal, there just has to be rear clips still available somewhere without destroying a rare 4spd Charger...............
Steve
Allen:
I would also like to thank you for the time and energy that you have put into this thread. IMO people like you make this board great. :cheers:
By taking the time to edit and post high quality detailed pics, you will save the rest of us much time, money and frustration.
I am holding off on the purchase of the CBD 1/4's until I see how yours go on.
Best of luck with your project, it's gonna be sweet when it's done. :2thumbs:
Quote from: XS29J8 on February 09, 2008, 04:34:41 PM
Hey Allen, sorry for all your misfortune......thought I read another resto thread and it was alright to use a 383 4spd car as a donor for the more important cars of our hobby...........guess I see why the original sheet metal is so important still. Hope you find wheel houses that really fit maybe the AMD parts are correct? I'm enjoying your resto story, hope it helps others avoid these pitfalls.
XS
Thanks Steve, at the moment I have a lot of faith in Mark over at Auto Metal Direct... I expect to receive the first AMD parts in the next two weeks, but their wheel houses are 30-45 days or more away at the moment. Next week I am going to talk to the body shop owner about the options at this point. I looked at one of my parts cars today, and from the outside the wheel housing looked useable as a last resort. I may make some calls next week about other parts cars...
Quote from: MM1R/T on February 09, 2008, 05:37:50 PM
Allen:
I would also like to thank you for the time and energy that you have put into this thread. IMO people like you make this board great. :cheers:
By taking the time to edit and post high quality detailed pics, you will save the rest of us much time, money and frustration.
I am holding off on the purchase of the CBD 1/4's until I see how yours go on.
Best of luck with your project, it's gonna be sweet when it's done. :2thumbs:
Thanks, glad to have you following the thread... for a while it got so quite around here I wondered if I had bored everyone numb... ;)
Right now after the wheel housing fiasco is resolved, the next problem child will be the trunk floor extensions (aka "drop-offs"). For some reason, AMD is having longer than typical delays with this seemingly simple part... we will see what happens, but they seem to be 60-90 days out.
I wonder if Dodge Don has had his CBD quarter panels installed yet... :shruggy:
Allen
Allen, even though things get quiet: rest assured that there are many of us following along & wishing you the best :2thumbs:
Quote from: BROCK on February 09, 2008, 07:27:08 PM
Allen, even though things get quiet: rest assured that there are many of us following along & wishing you the best :2thumbs:
Thanks! I appreciate the good wishes... it is taking a lot more effort to avoid the restoration icebergs than I ever expected... :P
I hope the C500 goes to the plastic media blaster next week, that will give me some time to work out a recovery plan on the Goodmark mess...
Allen
Hey Allen,
You have a perfect donor car in the same building as the 500 was for parts don't you? Something called a Daytona? JK :nana:
Even though some of the new body panels aren't EXACT to factory specs, they are still a huge leap from what we Mopar faithful had available 10-15 years ago. Which was at that time NOTHING but patch panels.
I think that if you run into a few more :brickwall: situations, that you will just :RantExplode: and give up, and pass the car along to someone else. LIKE ME :angel:
Quote from: 69_500 on February 10, 2008, 01:28:15 PM
Hey Allen,
You have a perfect donor car in the same building as the 500 was for parts don't you? Something called a Daytona? JK :nana:
It does kinda look like a parts car... :scratchchin: ...and then I would have extra space in the workshop... :scratchchin: :scratchchin: ...and if anyone complained I could blame you... :scratchchin: :scratchchin: :scratchchin:
Quote from: 69_500 on February 10, 2008, 01:28:15 PM
I think that if you run into a few more :brickwall: situations, that you will just :RantExplode: and give up, and pass the car along to someone else. LIKE ME :angel:
Do you feel it slipping from your grasp Danny...? :icon_smile_wink: :nana:
In the middle of dealing with my second awe-S#!% of the project, something good happened today... :yesnod: :icon_smile_big: :icon_smile_big: :icon_smile_big:
No, not related to the Goodmark :flame: fiasco with the wheel housings... but I am finalizing a recovery plan with back-up options that I will talk to the body shop about tomorrow.
Any guesses on the good news?... I'll spill the beans tomorrow evening after I get home from the paint shop.
Allen
Oh alright I'll admit that it isWAY out of my grasp already. But that doesn't mean a man can't still dream does it?
Ah there is always hope on the Daytona right? You'll be so fed up with the whole restoration process that surely you wouldn't go through it again would you? :nana:
Oooooh, I have a guess on the good news.
Your gonna sell the car to Danny and let him sort the whole mess out?
Oh you meant good news to you and your car. Hmmmmmmmmm, nope no guesses from me on that one.
This is starting to turn into a soap opera between you two.... :mcride:
Hey Paul, I'd be after your car too if it was a 4 speed. :nana:
Quote from: PocketThunder on February 11, 2008, 03:45:57 PM
This is starting to turn into a soap opera between you two.... :mcride:
You're right... :P :sorry:
Quote from: xs29j8Bullitt on February 10, 2008, 11:43:00 PM
Quote from: 69_500 on February 10, 2008, 01:28:15 PM
Hey Allen,
You have a perfect donor car in the same building as the 500 was for parts don't you? Something called a Daytona? JK :nana:
It does kinda look like a parts car... :scratchchin: ...and then I would have extra space in the workshop... :scratchchin: :scratchchin: ...and if anyone complained I could blame you... :scratchchin: :scratchchin: :scratchchin:
Quote from: 69_500 on February 10, 2008, 01:28:15 PM
I think that if you run into a few more :brickwall: situations, that you will just :RantExplode: and give up, and pass the car along to someone else. LIKE ME :angel:
Do you feel it slipping from your grasp Danny...? :icon_smile_wink: :nana:
In the middle of dealing with my second awe-S#!% of the project, something good happened today... :yesnod: :icon_smile_big: :icon_smile_big: :icon_smile_big:
No, not related to the Goodmark :flame: fiasco with the wheel housings... but I am finalizing a recovery plan with back-up options that I will talk to the body shop about tomorrow.
Any guesses on the good news?... I'll spill the beans tomorrow evening after I get home from the paint shop.
Allen
So what is the good news. I have been following your story and I'm anxious to know.
Quote from: 69_500 on February 11, 2008, 02:55:26 PM
Oh you meant good news to you and your car. Hmmmmmmmmm, nope no guesses from me on that one.
After 21 years... The C500 is (Partially) Numbers Matching Again! :coolgleamA:
For the last 4 months I have been talking to previous owners of the Charger 500 trying to locate the original number's matching 18 spline 4 Speed transmission and any other related material from the car. I already knew that they never had the original 440 engine, but they thought they had the original transmission buried in a storage building. A week ago I got the call that I had been waiting for...
THEY FOUND THE 4 SPEED !Thanks Phil Sr & Phil Jr... I appreciate the tremendous help in re-uniting the C500 with the original transmission!Not only did they make this happen, they sold me the original 18 spline trans & another 18 spline trans complete with shifters for a very reasonable price. In todays "what's in it for me" collector car hobby... that is rare indeed! :cheers:
Pictures below... BTW, the third 18 spline trans is one that I brought along to trade for the original trans, which was the orignal plan we had discussed. No longer having the big block Mopars they once had, and not needing them for their 340 Duster, the transmissions were offered for sale to me. :cheers:
Allen
Quote from: LeeBoy on February 11, 2008, 07:13:04 PM
So what is the good news. I have been following your story and I'm anxious to know.
Sorry to keep you waiting... I type like a 50 year old... Ohhhh wait... :P :icon_smile_big:
Not exactly earth shattering, but it gave me a boost in moral when I needed it after Goodmark's jab in the eye!
The chances are much less that I will ever locate the original engine... but I will keep trying!
Allen
That's great news. :cheers: Any leads on the original motor?
awesome allen congrats
That's awesome Allen !!!!!! Congrad's.........
Troy
Congrats! How often does that happen!? :2thumbs:
Awsome news. I'll add a little bit more to my next offer because of that news. :nana:
Just goes to show that there are still nice people out there. It seems to me that there are more and more "nice" people in this hobby though than many would give them credit. In other words, it seems that your always hearing about how so and so ripped someone off for a part (price wise), or took the money and ran without coming through on something. Its always good to hear the GOOD stories too.
Quote from: LeeBoy on February 11, 2008, 09:30:09 PM
That's great news. :cheers: Any leads on the original motor?
Quote from: moparstuart on February 12, 2008, 10:31:31 AM
awesome allen congrats
Quote from: hemi68charger on February 12, 2008, 10:41:19 AM
That's awesome Allen !!!!!! Congrad's.........
Troy
Quote from: Fitz73Chrgr on February 12, 2008, 11:51:33 AM
Congrats! How often does that happen!? :2thumbs:
Quote from: 69_500 on February 12, 2008, 04:54:18 PM
Awsome news. I'll add a little bit more to my next offer because of that news. :nana:
Just goes to show that there are still nice people out there. It seems to me that there are more and more "nice" people in this hobby though than many would give them credit. In other words, it seems that your always hearing about how so and so ripped someone off for a part (price wise), or took the money and ran without coming through on something. Its always good to hear the GOOD stories too.
Thanks everyone! I was due some good news after the
Goodmark treatment... yes, I gonna keep :RantExplode: :icon_smile_wink:
Although I do not yet have a good lead on the original engine, I am going to try a new approach. If something doesn't start to pan out in the next 3-6 months, I will post the C500's VIN & other information and see if the Missouri members (or anyone else) can help locate it.
Allen
Quote from: 69_500 on February 10, 2008, 01:28:15 PM
You have a perfect donor car in the same building as the 500 was for parts don't you? Something called a Daytona?
Thanks for your suggestion Danny... :2thumbs: The bodyman left about an hour ago with a wheelhouse from my "donor" car... ;)
This way he doesn't have to wait for the availability of the AMD wheelhouses which are a month or more away... maybe several months. This is important now because the C500 went to the plastic media blaster yesterday, and the cleaning is well underway! Below are pictures the media blasting service emailed me today showing the beginning of the stripping process.
I will post more pictures and the blasting service's contact information in the next few days. I have seen a 1970 GTX that they cleaned, and it looked GREAT!
Thanks for the pictures Doug! (He is the owner of the restoration shop which provides the plastic media blasting service)
Allen
Clear progress in the pictures below...
Cool....looking good........you will catch and pass me before long. I have a one man crew :P
Quote from: xs29j8Bullitt on February 12, 2008, 08:59:45 PM
If something doesn't start to pan out in the next 3-6 months, I will post the C500's VIN & other information and see if the Missouri members (or anyone else) can help locate it.
Make a post over on the Missouri Mopar board (see sig).
Quote from: The70RT on February 12, 2008, 10:26:22 PM
Cool....looking good........you will catch and pass me before long. I have a one man crew :P
Unless I go broke before then... :eek2: :lol:
Quote from: Fitz73Chrgr on February 12, 2008, 10:31:18 PM
Quote from: xs29j8Bullitt on February 12, 2008, 08:59:45 PM
If something doesn't start to pan out in the next 3-6 months, I will post the C500's VIN & other information and see if the Missouri members (or anyone else) can help locate it.
Make a post over on the Missouri Mopar board (see sig).
Thanks for the link! I will post over there when I go public with the VIN number & other car information. Still trying to locate it quietly to prevent someone from buying it to offer it to me for mega $$$$$... I may have a new lead by looking at some old owner's information in a different way. I will call a friend who has an old wing car contact in Missouri and see if that approach turns up anything.
In the mean time I will go check out the Missouri Mopar Board! Thanks again! :2thumbs:
Allen
Quote from: xs29j8Bullitt on February 12, 2008, 10:47:28 PM
Quote from: Fitz73Chrgr on February 12, 2008, 10:31:18 PM
Quote from: xs29j8Bullitt on February 12, 2008, 08:59:45 PM
If something doesn't start to pan out in the next 3-6 months, I will post the C500's VIN & other information and see if the Missouri members (or anyone else) can help locate it.
Make a post over on the Missouri Mopar board (see sig).
Thanks for the link! I will post over there when I go public with the VIN number & other car information. Still trying to locate it quietly to prevent someone from buying it to offer it to me for mega $$$$$... I may have a new lead by looking at some old owner's information in a different way. I will call a friend who has an old wing car contact in Missouri and see if that approach turns up anything.
In the mean time I will go check out the Missouri Mopar Board! Thanks again! :2thumbs:
Allen
will the block have an xx on it ???? I will keep an eye out for you at swap meets at least
Quote from: moparstuart on February 13, 2008, 09:54:39 AM
will the block have an xx on it ???? I will keep an eye out for you at swap meets at least
Ooohhh... good question, as the C500s were done both ways - but the answer is on the transmission. The engine should show XX29L9B****** also, just like in the picture Allen posted.
The line workers used the same "burp" gun to stamp both the transmission and engine after they were mated together. This was done on the assembly line, shortly before the engine/trans/front suspension were installed in the chassis.
Quote from: hemigeno on February 13, 2008, 10:46:07 AM
Quote from: moparstuart on February 13, 2008, 09:54:39 AM
will the block have an xx on it ???? I will keep an eye out for you at swap meets at least
Ooohhh... good question, as the C500s were done both ways - but the answer is on the transmission. The engine should show XX29L9B****** also, just like in the picture Allen posted.
The line workers used the same "burp" gun to stamp both the transmission and engine after they were mated together. This was done on the assembly line, shortly before the engine/trans/front suspension were installed in the chassis.
there were a couple 440 blocks at the columbia swap meet but no XX29 on them , i will keep looking allen
Damn nice progress! I love that part where you see the car getting a good cleaning by the blasters. :coolgleamA:
Well with the build date of Allens car it should read XX, but then again there are no guarantee's as there is a known 500 with a later build date that has XS everywhere on the car. 2 cars actually. However considering that the tranny had XX on it, as Gene said it should also read XX on the engine. And unlike some of the earlier 500's it wouldn't have been double stamped. IE early 500's have XS with a second X over the top of the S.
Love the look of a car after its been blasted. Clean shinny metal. :drool5:
So did you take the wheel houses from the parts car? Not the Daytona I'm assuming. It was a joke about the Daytona. But if you wanna part it out I'll take it. :nana:
Quote from: moparstuart on February 13, 2008, 11:05:36 AM
Quote from: hemigeno on February 13, 2008, 10:46:07 AM
Quote from: moparstuart on February 13, 2008, 09:54:39 AM
will the block have an xx on it ???? I will keep an eye out for you at swap meets at least
Ooohhh... good question, as the C500s were done both ways - but the answer is on the transmission. The engine should show XX29L9B****** also, just like in the picture Allen posted.
The line workers used the same "burp" gun to stamp both the transmission and engine after they were mated together. This was done on the assembly line, shortly before the engine/trans/front suspension were installed in the chassis.
there were a couple 440 blocks at the columbia swap meet but no XX29 on them , i will keep looking allen
Thanks Stuart!... I will PM the complete VIN to you.
Allen
Maybe you will get lucky and your #'s matching engine will have a typo on it Allen. Instead of reading XX29L9B, maybe it will read XX29J9B :scratchchin:
Which would be the opposite of how Jerry's car is. HEMI car with XX29L on the engine. Well can't tell if its "L" or just a backwards "J". :nana:
Quote from: PocketThunder on February 13, 2008, 11:11:08 AM
Damn nice progress! I love that part where you see the car getting a good cleaning by the blasters. :coolgleamA:
I just received more pictures and a short video clip of the media blasting!... Great customer service!!! :cheers:
I will post more pictures later.
Allen
Quote from: 69_500 on February 13, 2008, 03:55:50 PM
Well with the build date of Allens car it should read XX, but then again there are no guarantee's as there is a known 500 with a later build date that has XS everywhere on the car. 2 cars actually. However considering that the tranny had XX on it, as Gene said it should also read XX on the engine. And unlike some of the earlier 500's it wouldn't have been double stamped. IE early 500's have XS with a second X over the top of the S.
Love the look of a car after its been blasted. Clean shinny metal. :drool5:
So did you take the wheel houses from the parts car? Not the Daytona I'm assuming. It was a joke about the Daytona. But if you wanna part it out I'll take it. :nana:
Quote from: 69_500 on February 13, 2008, 06:08:20 PM
Maybe you will get lucky and your #'s matching engine will have a typo on it Allen. Instead of reading XX29L9B, maybe it will read XX29J9B :scratchchin:
Which would be the opposite of how Jerry's car is. HEMI car with XX29L on the engine. Well can't tell if its "L" or just a backwards "J". :nana:
The C500 is starting to look a lot different with the removal of the old dead paint... A LOT BETTER!
I really hope I find the matching numbers block... with the Internet anything is possible! :2thumbs:
You were only kidding?... Uh-Oh, good thing I didn't touch the Daytona... :icon_smile_wink:
The wheelhouse will come from a pair of 1970 quarter panels that I had set aside for my 440 Six Pack Charger... here's a picture from last year:
Allen
Progress pictures from today... slow but safe progress! Some small areas of the bottom side of the car will need touching up with sand blasting or other methods. Plastic media is not nearly as abrasive as sand, coal slag, etc... but also not nearly as prone to sheetmetal warpage. The thicker guage sub-frames and stiffened floorboards can be safely touched up with sand blasting.
Allen
Good God Allen this is such and inspiration for me to start on my C500 this summer. :yesnod: :2thumbs:
Allen, you go boy !!!!!
Its going great Allen!!! Keep up the good work!!!!! :cheers:
looking good :2thumbs:
Quote from: PocketThunder on February 14, 2008, 09:27:55 AM
Good God Allen this is such and inspiration for me to start on my C500 this summer. :yesnod: :2thumbs:
Quote from: hemi68charger on February 14, 2008, 12:36:21 PM
Allen, you go boy !!!!!
Quote from: 69bronzeT5 on February 14, 2008, 01:44:14 PM
Its going great Allen!!! Keep up the good work!!!!! :cheers:
Quote from: BigBlockSam on February 14, 2008, 03:34:45 PM
looking good :2thumbs:
Thanks everyone... its been a busy week at work and with the C500
Here are some in process pictures that Doug sent me Wednesday night showing work on the C500 unibody. The unibody was finished yesterday, and I will post the finished shots later tonight after I resize them.
Allen
Four more in process pictures...
Bare top!...
More bareness...
And more...
Last pictures for tonight... Thanks again Doug! :cheers:
I uploaded two short video clips of the plastic media blasting to YouTube... let me know if the links work.
Video 1 - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TehylAyVuHg
Video 2 - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=khonyH7mcp0
XS
OH she looks good NAKED, why can't it be mine? :icon_smile_big:
I didn't try to view the youtube links though Allen, I'll take a look at those in the morning. You really need to stop posting photo's of the progress its making me want to strip mine naked. I need more people to just leave their cars as is, and drive them so that mine fits in. :coolgleamA:
Quote from: PocketThunder on February 14, 2008, 09:27:55 AM
Good God Allen this is such and inspiration for me to start on my C500 this summer. :yesnod: :2thumbs:
Quote from: 69_500 on February 15, 2008, 10:25:41 PM
You really need to stop posting photo's of the progress its making me want to strip mine naked. I need more people to just leave their cars as is, and drive them so that mine fits in. :coolgleamA:
Paul / Danny - My main advice is to line up everything that you can while your car is running/driving so you reduce the risk of getting burnt out on the project and deciding to sell it as a unibody with a bunch of boxes... BTW, don't anyone get there hopes up about that happening to me... been there, didn't sell! ;)
I have seen a LOT of neat Mopar projects sell after guys got burnt out on there first projects... including several cars that I own now. Buy the repro, used, & NOS parts that you need now, but not perishable stuff like paint. Also, do your homework now on vendors, especially if you plan to start in the next 18 months or so... learn from the misfortunes of others, like my problem with the crap from Goodmark! :flame:
Just think guys, while my C500 is being pushed around this year (and maybe next year)... y'all will be cruising in your's... :P
Allen
Great advice Allen, I also have seen many people get frustrated and/or loose interest. Then they sell their car only to regret it years later. I also have had to take a break but never to the point of giving up. The image of the finished product in my own mind has always kept me going. Thanks again for sharing all the details.
Best of luck to you,
Brian
QuoteI also have had to take a break
:yesnod: yea . sometimes i get burnt out on restorationa and walk away for a while. clears the head . so when you come back things seem better and more fun. Rene
Darn it, here I was hoping that eventually you would just throw in the towel on this one and move on to something else.
Look on the bright side though Allen. Come the Talladega Meet in '09 you will be there with the 500, and I'll be the one asking you if I can go for a ride. However if by the slim chance that the car isn't done by then, you are more than welcome to go for a spin in my car anytime you want.
Wow, reply #600... didn't we just have #500... :lol:
Quote from: 69_500 on February 16, 2008, 05:22:19 PM
Look on the bright side though Allen. Come the Talladega Meet in '09 you will be there with the 500, and I'll be the one asking you if I can go for a ride. However if by the slim chance that the car isn't done by then, you are more than welcome to go for a spin in my car anytime you want.
Sounds like you have more faith in my ability to meet a deadline than I do based on my restoration track record... BUT, I'm gonna try to be there with the car! :yesnod:
Allen
I held out until someone else posted the #600 too. I'm going to steal number #1,000 though when it comes to that. And on a side note, this is now one of the 10 most posted on threads on the forum.
Ah you'll meet the deadline of fall of 2009, I have that much faith in you. Oh wait, I did make a side note in the last post as well, about if you weren't done by then your more than welcome to take my car out for a spin at that show. Just show up, and you can take it out all you want.
:drive:
Only thing is mine isn't a 4 speed, so it won't be as much fun. OH and its red, not blue.
Quote from: 69_500 on February 16, 2008, 08:20:10 PM
I held out until someone else posted the #600 too. I'm going to steal number #1,000 though when it comes to that. And on a side note, this is now one of the 10 most posted on threads on the forum.
Go for the #1,000 Danny... :cheers:
I did not know about the thread making the top 10 in replies... kinda scary seeing as the C500 had only reached the point of being media blasted!
Quote from: 69_500 on February 16, 2008, 08:20:10 PM
Ah you'll meet the deadline of fall of 2009, I have that much faith in you. Oh wait, I did make a side note in the last post as well, about if you weren't done by then your more than welcome to take my car out for a spin at that show. Just show up, and you can take it out all you want.
:drive:
Only thing is mine isn't a 4 speed, so it won't be as much fun. OH and its red, not blue.
Thanks for the offer Danny... 4-Speed/Automatic... B5 Blue/R4 Red... they are all good!
After all, I probably contracted "Aero Car Fever" from that ride in your C500 at the Monster Mopar Show...
Allen
Glad to be of service. I'm definately glad that you came up to the show, and got the time to talk to you in person. I had no idea who you were though when you came over to the table at Rich's house. I was sitting there looking at the photo album, and making a comment on how I recognized the 500 and the Daytona in the photo's. Then you said "Those are my cars" :slap:
I got the Aero Fever many many many moons ago (okay so probably not as many moons ago as you did), from riding in the cars of my dad. I will never forget those rides from my childhood, and I definatley think that my son has already got the "Aero Fever". Its bad, its definately spreading through the generations of Liebrandt's, and I don't think it can be stopped.
I received an email today from Doug saying that the Charger 500 can be picked up tomorrow... :cheers:
More pictures received today... hood & rear window plug
Deck lid, doors, & fenders... the driver's side fender had more damage than I expected... I'll see what Joe says about it.
I am not sure if I have a better driver's side fender on hand...
Front valance & grille/latch support...
The Charger 500 was returned to the paint & body shop where I am having the restoration work done this week. The plastic media blasting work was expertly done, and I am very pleased with the results! :2thumbs:
The media work was done by Doug's Auto Craft in Irving, Texas (near Dallas)... here are links to their websites:
http://www.dacmediablasting.com
http://www.dougsautocraft.com
Here are a few pictures of the C500 ready to be picked up and returned to the body shop...
Allen
Back at the body shop...
While resizing these pictures, I found what appears to be the letter "P" on the floorboard in the area near the passenger side rear wheelhouse... I will have a better look next time I am at the shop...
I had a better look at the POS "Authentic Restoration" wheelhouse that Goodmark Industries sold me... :flame: :flame: :flame:
Have a look at the close-up pictures below showing the 1/2 or greater mis-match... one of several major problems with this BTN (Better Than Nothing) part... maybe actually a BBTN... Barely Better Than Nothing waste of sheetmetal
Here is Joe removing the used wheelhousing that will replace the Goodmark POS... note the much wider forward mounting flange with a tooling alignment hole. The Goodmark :flame: "repro" part has a narrow constant width flange with no tooling hole... ANOTHER major flaw!!!
Now for some better news... the first Auto Metal Direct reproduction part arrive this week. The one-piece trunk floor seems to be an excellent part, but the final test will be how it fits in several weeks or so. However, a CLOSE inspection revealed nothing but good news! The trunk floor seems to have all of the tiny attaching flanges, and even the body plug holes are pre-cut. IN FACT, even the screw attaching holes for the fuel filler seal are in the part!!! :cheers:
Another pleasant surprise was the metal guage (thickness) seemed correct... or very near at least. The trunk floor even seemed to have been deburred so you don't slice up your hands by handling the part.
So far, looks great AMD!!! :2thumbs:
Allen
looks really nice allen
You know....if it is at all possible, it would be a great idea to see if the shop you're using could actually use a real resistance spot welder (like the factory did) to put that trunk floor panel in.
You have access from the side to install this trunk panel while the rear quarterpanels are off of the car.
(The above is for the benefit of those people who posted below, wondering how to get that panel in through the trunk opening).
Oh yes, and the end resultant appearance would be totally authentic.
Just a thought.
Ah see what happens when I leave for a day. Allen goes and has progress made on his car. Maybe I need to make more trips out of town, and stay off of here for a couple of days and the car would be finished. :cheers:
That trunk floor des look really nice though. :scratchchin: Wonder how it fits?
Looking good Allen,please do some follow up pics with the trunk floor install.Won't this only fit going in thru the tail panel?
QuoteThat trunk floor des look really nice though
thats the nicest trunk floor i've ever seen . very cool but how would you get it in through the trunk openning ?
Quote from: BigBlockSam on February 24, 2008, 09:21:52 PM
QuoteThat trunk floor des look really nice though
thats the nicest trunk floor i've ever seen . very cool but how would you get it in through the trunk openning ?
i think it will have to come from the side, where the quarters used to be, or the underside...
Obviously, people only read the last post on these threads.
Quote from: Magnumcharger on February 25, 2008, 03:14:10 PM
Obviously, people only read the last post on these threads.
:iagree:
The plan has been to remove the taillight panel and re-install it after the quarter panels are installed. The trunk opening was left intact for strength & stiffness during shipment to the media blaster and back, but is no longer needed now. With the taillight panel & rear valance out, the access to install the trunk floor should be good.
Getting the trunk floor installed from the side might be difficult because of the roof & backlight support structure attached to the top of the wheelhousings. With the driver's side wheelhousing later removed for replacement (Thanks :flame:Goofmark :flame:), it could probably be done.
BTW, I believe the body man plans to spot weld the trunk floor in like the factory did... I'll update this info after I talk to Joe about it.
Allen
Which would be less work?
Removing the complete tailight panel, or one of the roof & backlight supports?
Count the spot welds!! :lol:
Quote from: Magnumcharger on February 25, 2008, 10:28:13 PM
Which would be less work?
Removing the complete tailight panel, or one of the roof & backlight supports?
Count the spot welds!! :lol:
We don't really have a choice... the rear valance & valance corners are heavily rotted out, so they have to be replaced. The taillight panel will be repaired & re-used, but the valance is toast. Have a look at the picture below...
Am I wrong on this? :shruggy:
Allen
Once you get the valance off, the taillight panel will be "floating" several inches above the framerails,held on only by the remnants of the quarter panels-should be plenty of room to slip the trunkfloor in there...
Quote from: xs29j8Bullitt on February 25, 2008, 10:50:43 PM
Quote from: Magnumcharger on February 25, 2008, 10:28:13 PM
Which would be less work?
Removing the complete tailight panel, or one of the roof & backlight supports?
Count the spot welds!! :lol:
We don't really have a choice... the rear valance & valance corners are heavily rotted out, so they have to be replaced. The taillight panel will be repaired & re-used, but the valance is toast. Have a look at the picture below...
Am I wrong on this? :shruggy:
Allen
It looks rusty enough. I would replace the valance then you can see how the rear crossmember is. Looking at the valance rust you know there is some rust behind it .....hopefully not through the cross member though.
Quote from: Magnumcharger on February 25, 2008, 10:28:13 PM
Which would be less work?
Removing the complete tailight panel, or one of the roof & backlight supports?
Count the spot welds!! :lol:
I'm not sure that you really wanted someone to sit down and count the amount of spot welds that actually hold each section into place. But I see what your getting at after doing just that. The ratio of spot welds that hold the tail light panel in outnumber the number of spot welds that hold the roof & backlight supports almost 2 to 1. However I can see that since Allen is already having to remove the rear valance area to do some repair, that makes the amount of spot welds almost even. That is if you consider that the ones to remove the rear valance aren't taken into account as extra any more.
A few pictures from yesterday... also, I believe that I have located a clean driver's side fender in the Charger parts hoard of a friend. I hope to pick it up this coming weekend.
I wiil try to call AMD tomorrow for an update on the repro parts that I still need for the C500...
Allen
Not much new this week... the doors & passenger side fender are being worked, but other shop projects have priority this week.
The trip to get another driver's side fender was postponed a week due to personal business... maybe this weekend. :shruggy:
A few pictures from Monday...
Allen
Continuing to find markings that were apparently made before priming or painting... they are untouched by the plastic media blasting.
Several are hard to see & even harder to photograph... some can only be see in bright sunlight.
Pictured below are "P" (shown before), "A1", & "6"... not sure of their significance... maybe "P" means ready to prime :shruggy: "A1" might mean the shift during which the car was built :shruggy: and "6" might be the line it went down :shruggy:
Pure speculation on my part... anyone really know? :popcrn:
Below are a few pictures of the markings that I managed to photograph.
Allen
WOW Allen, I was wondering if anybody else had that A1 marking, I haven't found the P or 6 yet but here is a pic of my Daytona marking:
Robert.
Quote from: xs29j8Bullitt on February 12, 2008, 10:47:28 PM
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Quote from: xs29j8Bullitt on February 12, 2008, 08:59:45 PM
If something doesn't start to pan out in the next 3-6 months, I will post the C500's VIN & other information and see if the Missouri members (or anyone else) can help locate it.
Make a post over on the Missouri Mopar board (see sig).
Thanks for the link! I will post over there when I go public with the VIN number & other car information. Still trying to locate it quietly to prevent someone from buying it to offer it to me for mega $$$$$... I may have a new lead by looking at some old owner's information in a different way. I will call a friend who has an old wing car contact in Missouri and see if that approach turns up anything.
In the mean time I will go check out the Missouri Mopar Board! Thanks again! :2thumbs:
Allen
Any leads on the motor yet? :scope: The car is moving along nicely.
this is one of my favorite treads, but when i save pics to my hard drive, i cant open them. i've installed a couple differant photo programs but it still didn't help, any ideas?
they are copyrighted!
j/k, think you're maybe having problems with your system. nothing wrong with the pictures.
I'd agree that it is something wrong with your operating system. I haven't tried to save any of Allen's photo's to my hard drive yet. As I'm getting ready to purchase a new computer, and don't want the hassle of doing all the copying again on the new computer.
I save alot of pics off the net (hundreds and hundreds ) and usually about 5% i cant open after i save them but i noticed i cant open any of his .
Quote from: evil1 on March 09, 2008, 01:04:54 PM
this is one of my favorite treads, but when i save pics to my hard drive, i cant open them. i've installed a couple differant photo programs but it still didn't help, any ideas?
Quote from: Hemidog on March 09, 2008, 01:27:20 PM
they are copyrighted!
j/k, think you're maybe having problems with your system. nothing wrong with the pictures.
Quote from: evil1 on March 09, 2008, 01:59:05 PM
I save alot of pics off the net (hundreds and hundreds ) and usually about 5% i cant open after i save them but i noticed i cant open any of his .
It's actually a side effect of how the server stores image attachments. If you click or right click on the link under the picture (the one with the little green paper clip) you'll get the actual image. Right clicking the image itself will get you the server generated image - which most of the time shows up as a php file and your computer doesn't know what to do with it. This is only necessary for attachments so look for the paper clip and link underneath.
Troy
Thanks Troy, i tried saving like that, and it worked . sorry for the hi-jack.
Quote from: LeeBoy on March 09, 2008, 12:24:18 AM
Any leads on the motor yet? :scope: The car is moving along nicely.
None so far, but I have been tied up chasing parts for the C500 as well as work & personal business...
I just returned from a friend's place with a driver's side fender that I believe is a lot better than the original, but I might not know for sure until its media blasted... then I might be back to square one again. :P
Overall the fender looks very nice, but it does have filler at the front like many original fenders... I will have the body man take a look at it before stripping. I really appreciate my friend's offer to help me with a fender from his private stock... fortunately most of his 1969 Chargers don't use this type of fender... :icon_smile_wink:
Another long time acquaintance with an ideal replacement fender declined to offer it to me at a fair price (or even very high price), preferring to "see what it'll do on eBay". Apparently it's just about the $$$ and fear that another $50 could be left on the table... I am getting just a bit up in years, but my long term memory is just fine! :yesnod:
Allen
:scratchchin: So someone has one of those weird 69 Chargers that doesn't use a 69 fender? Would that be a DAYTONA. :nana:
Hey Allen, your search for a good fender would probably be easier solved if you took into consideration fenders that are of another color than B5 blue. :nana: Only kidding of course.
I've been keepin my eyes and ears out for any leads on a charger 500 block. I have only ran accross a handful of them over the years, tried to buy most of them, and have been outbid on all of them so far. None of those were for your car though. Haven't ever heard of it coming up for sale anywhere.
Quote from: Troy on March 09, 2008, 02:39:42 PM
It's actually a side effect of how the server stores image attachments. If you click or right click on the link under the picture (the one with the little green paper clip) you'll get the actual image. Right clicking the image itself will get you the server generated image - which most of the time shows up as a php file and your computer doesn't know what to do with it. This is only necessary for attachments so look for the paper clip and link underneath.
Troy
Thanks Troy... :cheers:
Quote from: 69_500 on March 09, 2008, 05:26:51 PM
:scratchchin: So someone has one of those weird 69 Chargers that doesn't use a 69 fender? Would that be a DAYTONA. :nana:
Your guess is not exactly right... but you are getting warm... :icon_smile_big:
Quote from: 69_500 on March 09, 2008, 05:26:51 PM
Hey Allen, your search for a good fender would probably be easier solved if you took into consideration fenders that are of another color than B5 blue. :nana: Only kidding of course.
The fenders are interchangeable :o ...who knew?!? :rofl: BTW, notice the wheelhousing came from a B5 colored car as well! :lol:
Allen
Yeah I noticed that. What are you doing hoarding all of the B5 blue cars so that a person like me can't find one? JK
Tell your friend that he doesn't need all of those funky looking 69 Chargers, and send one my way woud ya? :cheers:
Everytime I open this thread when my wife is standing here, she asks why we couldn't have a B5 blue Charger 500 instead of an R4 red one. I keep telling her its because you won't trade us. ;D
Quote from: xs29j8Bullitt on March 09, 2008, 05:21:29 PM
Another long time acquaintance with an ideal replacement fender declined to offer it to me at a fair price (or even very high price), preferring to "see what it'll do on eBay". Apparently it's just about the $$$ and fear that another $50 could be left on the table... I am getting just a bit up in years, but my long term memory is just fine! :yesnod:
Allen
Amen, brother! ;)
Pictures from last Monday... work on the doors & passenger side fender continued and the replacement for the driver's side was at the shop waiting to be sent for plastic media blasting (should go next week).
Allen
Pictures from Friday... the Goodmark :flame: POS wheelhousing has been removed and the used original replacement wheelhousing & CBD reproduction quarter panel are being test fitted for the first time. So far everything looks good...
Allen
A few more pictures from Friday...
That's a lot of flash rust going on there Allen.
Are you concerned at all?
And they primed the quarters before welding them on....? Interesting methods.
Quote from: Magnumcharger on March 15, 2008, 11:02:11 PM
That's a lot of flash rust going on there Allen.
Are you concerned at all?
And they primed the quarters before welding them on....? Interesting methods.
What appears to be "flash" rust is not new rust formed since plastic media blasting, but existing surface rust from the C500's 39 years of life. I have been told by the media blaster and several bodymen that the factory phosphate coating remains intact during plastic media blasting, and will protect the metal for a year or longer when the car is stored inside.
At this point I am concerned about EVERYTHING, and have been watching for new signs of rust. When I believe there are signs of new surface rust, I check the hundreds of pictures I have taken since media blasting... so far it has always been there previously.
Below are pictures taken by the media blaster immediately after blasting showing the surface rust not removed by the plastic media. In the near future the surface rust will be removed by careful sand blasting of the affected areas, followed by priming immediately because sand and other highly abrasive media DOES remove the phosphate coating and leave only bare metal.
The reproduction quarter panels are a different story, having arrived as bare metal with no phosphate coating... only a heavy coating of something similar to cosmolene. The coating had an oily, gummy feel to it and was removed with some difficulty... leaving bare metal. The intial priming was necessary to protect the metal, but will be redone in stages. For example, just prior to final installation, a 2-3 inch border around the edges to be welded will be stripped by hand and a weldable primer applied.
There are a lot of methods used by bodymen, some of them obviously better than others. With every body shop I have ever used there were things that I thought should have been done differently... then again I am not an expert. What is important to me is the end result, not only appearance but longevity.
Time will tell... :shruggy:
Allen
Allen, why was the muffler hanger bracket in the left rear seat area not removed? I am sure there is rust behind it.
Bob
Quote from: Rob1426 on March 20, 2008, 09:53:40 PM
Allen, why was the muffler hanger bracket in the left rear seat area not removed? I am sure there is rust behind it.
Bob
Hi Bob... sorry for the delay in replying, but the last several weeks have not been too good on several fronts... :P
The "month from
hell"... (or heck at least) included the passing of a good friend from heart failure... sure gonna miss talking to him!
Back on topic, the bracket and a few other small items were inadvertantly left on during media blasting, but are being removed (see first picture) now prior to selective spot sand blasting which should occur soon... so, just a mistake! :shruggy:
The other pictures show the doors and passenger fender work nearing completion... the inside of the door structures has been coated with Rust Bullet. The replacement driver's fender is over at the plastic media blaster for stripping... I hope that there are not any bad surprises like the original fender had (the new fender does have some body filler at the front).
Allen
Test fitting of the new AMD one-piece trunk floor has taken place with excellent results so far! :cheers: The trunk floor was fitted and temporarily attached with screws. The finally check-out will have to wait until other repro parts like the rear valance & trunk floor extensions are available from AMD... at least a month or so. Although I am anxious to get the parts, I don't mind waiting so AMD can make sure they parts are right... I don't need another bottom feeder part like Goodmark :flame: Industries sent me! :RantExplode:
Some pictures of the trunk floor test fitting...
Allen
The used Charger wheelhousing has been installed in place of the Goodmark :flame: POS repro... see pictures below.
Allen
I'll give you one last chance to part with the car Allen. :nana:
Trunk floor does look very nice.
Wow! That's really looking great!
The only problem I have with it...is it makes me want to cut all the inferior sheetmetal (if you can call it that) off of my Charger!!
WOW i've never seen the trunk floor installed from the top like that before. :o You sure have some good body men working on that car.
Paul
in St. Paul
Quote from: PocketThunder on March 26, 2008, 09:02:21 AM
:o You sure have some good body men working on that car.
Paul
in St. Paul
I'm not sure how you meant that to be taken Paul... :scratchchin: :shruggy:
The drip-trough was completely cut through by Creative Industries, so with the quarter panels removed the drip-trough is two seperate pieces... The part being bent to pivot the taillight panell down like a tail gate is only the rear valance which is totally rusted out and will be replaced when the AMD repro is available. Pivoting the taillight panel back down to its correct location allows for a better test fitting of the quarter panels & trunk floor than if it was totally removed (which WILL occur later). No parts have been cut or bent that will remain with the car...
Allen
How is the fit between the inner wheel wells and the new trunk floor?
Quote from: xs29j8Bullitt on March 26, 2008, 11:41:20 AM
Quote from: PocketThunder on March 26, 2008, 09:02:21 AM
:o You sure have some good body men working on that car.
Paul
in St. Paul
I'm not sure how you meant that to be taken Paul... :scratchchin: :shruggy:Allen
With compliment ofcourse! :yesnod: :2thumbs:
Quote from: PocketThunder on March 26, 2008, 01:04:09 PM
Quote from: xs29j8Bullitt on March 26, 2008, 11:41:20 AM
Quote from: PocketThunder on March 26, 2008, 09:02:21 AM
:o You sure have some good body men working on that car.
Paul
in St. Paul
I'm not sure how you meant that to be taken Paul... :scratchchin: :shruggy: Allen
With compliment ofcourse! :yesnod: :2thumbs:
Thanks Paul, I was not sure you weren't thinking the body shop cut the drip trough and mangled some sheetmetal to get the one-piece trunk floor in place. Admittedly an unconventional approach, but no harm in this case. Definitely NOT recommended for cars with intact drip troughs & solid rear valances... removing the taillight panel, rear valance, & taillight panel braces is definitely the way to go... IMO
Allen
Quote from: MM1R/T on March 26, 2008, 12:53:30 PM
How is the fit between the inner wheel wells and the new trunk floor?
I was in a hurry and did not have a really close look at the fit & gaps, but everything I saw looked like it fit great! The bodyman said that he had no problems with the test fit. The biggest gap that I saw was maybe .060 to .080, but the parts were probably clamped or screwed together... I did not see any Goodmark :flame: style 1/2 inch mis-matches. I was not present during the actual test installation, but only saw the final results.
I will try to get by again this week or early next week and have a better look and take more pictures if the trunk floor is still in place.
See the pictures below, one shows a small gap...
Allen
Quote from: 69_500 on March 25, 2008, 07:09:29 PM
I'll give you one last chance to part with the car Allen. :nana:
Promise? :lol:
Quote from: 69_500 on March 25, 2008, 07:09:29 PM
Trunk floor does look very nice.
Yes it does... so far! If everything pans out like I expect that it will, I will be ordering AMD trunk floors for the "fleet"... funds permitting o'course! BTW, a usually reliable source told me the Goodmark :flame: one piece trunk floors to be sold for Chargers will actually be the Road Runner based pieces requiring significant rework at the rear of the trunk floor to make them work. For example, the flange apparently turns the opposite way on RRs... of course Goodmark will probably just leave it off their "universal" B-Body floors. Also was told the shape of the rear floor is different, requiring modification to install the taillight panel braces... If true, pay the same or more for the Goodmark :flame: part, then pay the bodyman 100's of $$$s to beat it into submission... then experience the joy when you hear someone point it out at the first show you take the car to!
Just my opinion, but Goodmark :flame: Industries will never see a single red cent more of my money... much less a "thin dime"...
If Goodmark :flame: does put out a correct Charger trunk floor, I will gladly retract what I said above... but still won't buy anything from them!
Allen
Sorry to say but I lied, it won't be the last chance. Just was the last chance for that DATE. :cheers:
I'm glad to see that you haven't given up al hope on the car yet. I know if I was :brickwall: then I might think of throwing in the towel. Which is why I'm afraid to actually start anything with my car just yet. I think I'll just drive it for another 5-10 years then go through the headaches of fixing everything that aggrivates me on the car.
There sure is not much metal left to hold up the back of the car! I did not notice any support ahead of the rear wheelwells in the last few pics (probably hidden), a lot of unibody restos that I have seen have had the 1/4 panel/trunk/wheelwell replacement performed on some sort of support (frame jig?) like on Magnumchargers F8 500 assembly thread so that the body can be squared, plumbed and trued according to factory measurements (most bodyshops have these). Some "experts" have warned me that the doors, fenders, suspension alignment, etc. will not line up if not too carefull.
Quote from: FJMG on March 26, 2008, 10:06:44 PM
There sure is not much metal left to hold up the back of the car! I did not notice any support ahead of the rear wheelwells in the last few pics (probably hidden), a lot of unibody restos that I have seen have had the 1/4 panel/trunk/wheelwell replacement performed on some sort of support (frame jig?) like on Magnumchargers F8 500 assembly thread so that the body can be squared, plumbed and trued according to factory measurements (most bodyshops have these). Some "experts" have warned me that the doors, fenders, suspension alignment, etc. will not line up if not too carefull.
I will start by saying there are many different ways to perform the repair and you have to rely on your restorer that he's been there before and knows exactly what he is doing.
In a perfect world, the best way to do a car like this is on a dedicated bench and jigs, which in the industry we call "fixtures". This was how the cars were originally built. Each fixture locates a factory measuring location on the car and is a go / no go guage. It's pretty much idiot proof. Either it fits or it doesn't. The car is supported at the four torque boxes, and a pair of fixtures are placed at the front rails and another at the rear rails. Thus length, width and height are all controlled. The bad news is that rarely is this perfect scenario followed, mainly because the fixturing equipment to do this doesn't exist for our old cars. It has to be custom made.
Muscle Car Restorations uses a Blackhawk Dedicated Bench System which was the Cadillac of frame machines in the early 80's when the first front wheel drive unibodies came out. Each car had it's own set of fixtures. The bench and fixture concept for repairs ultimately died out when insurance companies refused to pay for the rentals and purchases of the fixtures. Most of these dedicated fixture benches have now been scrapped. A handful remain and smart restoration shops will scoop them up as essentially they can function as a surface plate. They can anchor and hold the car. And they can be used as a frame pull platform if necessary. MCR uses this exact system. What they did was take the old unibody fixtures, lets say off some 80's car, and cut and rewelded them to fit an undamaged B-body. What they do is the cats meow.
Here is the car just after going down on the bench with the front fixtures shown. The machined top surface of the transverse beams where the yellow fixtures bolt on is just like a surface plate.
When you start removing a lot of structure from the car, this is the only way to fly. Everything is supported just like it's sitting on the ground.
Look what they've done with the rear. They have gone so far as to build a tubular cage to hold dimensions. This costs big bucks, but you know it's going to be right.
Here they are maintaining height on the rocker panel.
As far as dimensions charts for these cars go, there is not a lot out there for the old cars. The factory service manual data is pretty user unfriendly and the period aftermarket frame charts in the red books by Tru Way are very basic compared to what we do today in the business. But it can be done without bench and fixtures. Again, it is how most people do it. Personally, for hanging major structure, before the final welds are done, if it is not on four wheels I'd still want the four torque boxes on stands, and the front or rear rails supported along the way. I want it as close as possible to be sitting on the road. Again, you have to trust in the frame man that he knows what he's doing. A lot can be done seat of the pants and by experience.
Quote from: DougSchellinger on March 26, 2008, 11:32:35 PM
Here they are maintaining height on the rocker panel.
As far as dimensions charts for these cars go, there is not a lot out there for the old cars. The factory service manual data is pretty user unfriendly and the period aftermarket frame charts in the red books by Tru Way are very basic compared to what we do today in the business. But it can be done without bench and fixtures. Again, it is how most people do it. Personally, for hanging major structure, before the final welds are done, I'd still want the four torque boxes on stands, and the front or rear rails supported along the way. Again, you have to trust in the frame man that he knows what he's doing. A lot can be done seat of the pants and by experience.
Wow, that must have been an A12 car?
That's exactly what it is.
Quote from: DougSchellinger on March 27, 2008, 10:36:51 AM
That's exactly what it is.
I have had two of my cars cut a-part that way ( could not aford the jig set up) but they went back together just fine :Twocents: :Twocents: best to do one half at a time though , we did the front half first then the rear
Quote from: moparstuart on March 27, 2008, 10:50:59 AM
I have had two of my cars cut a-part that way ( could not aford the jig set up) but they went back together just fine :Twocents: :Twocents: best to do one half at a time though , we did the front half first then the rear
That is the approach being used on my C500. The floorboard section repairs were done when the quarter panel "picture frame" edges were still in place as well as the doors so the door jam gaps could be monitored for changes... no changes were seen.
Also, the quarter panel "picture frames" were left in place for the tranport to and back from the media blaster. In addition, "sawhorses" were used to support the unibody while being transported on the trailer for media blasting.
The weakest point probably occured when the left wheelhousing had to be removed because of the Goodmark :flame: fiasco, but no movement was seen at the drip trough cut points made by Creative Industries during their conversion.
In the pictures below you can see the rear frames are in excellent condition and still have about 3 feet of attachment to the rear floorboard, and the factory tie-in to the rocker beams through the forward rear axle spring perch structure. All of the primary structure seems to be in very good original condition, with only very minor rust pitting.
I estimate that the unibody weighs about 1,000 pounds... anyone have a measured weight for reference? At that weight the primary unibody structure should not be at risk of taking a permanent set. Some of the removed parts like the trunk floor were essentially not there due to extensive rust while the car was fully assembled, so the top half of the quarter panels is the only major load path removed.
Even though there should not be a structural problem... I still have some concerns. :P
See pictures below...
Allen
Hey Allen
Good to see you Saturday despite the less than desirable circumstances. Thanks for telling me about this thread, cause I had no idea you were working on anything. I figured if anything you would be finishing up Billy Jean. Its looking really good. I was surprised at what you told me about the Goodmark :RantExplode: pieces, especially after the way their hood fit on my Challenger. Guess they did one thing right and lost their minds after.
Regardless, I'm glad to see you're making real progress on the C500. Now if we could just get the "Good Doctor" working on something
T.
Quote from: Nekid_a12 on March 30, 2008, 11:40:37 PM
Hey Allen
Good to see you Saturday despite the less than desirable circumstances.
Yeah, mermorial services for good friends is a heck of a way to get together...
It sure is starting to happen a lot in the last few years...
Quote from: Nekid_a12 on March 30, 2008, 11:40:37 PM
Thanks for telling me about this thread, cause I had no idea you were working on anything. I figured if anything you would be finishing up Billy Jean. Its looking really good.
Regardless, I'm glad to see you're making real progress on the C500. Now if we could just get the "Good Doctor" working on something
Next thing you know I may finish something... NAH, who am I kidding!?! :lol:
Billie Jean is on hold due to mis-placed parts... I need to spend more time in the shop...
Be careful you don't trigger a response from the "Good Doctor's" security service... :icon_smile_wink:
Quote from: Nekid_a12 on March 30, 2008, 11:40:37 PM
I was surprised at what you told me about the Goodmark :RantExplode: pieces, especially after the way their hood fit on my Challenger. Guess they did one thing right and lost their minds after.
I was very surprised also... especially since it had the "Authentic Restoration Parts" logo from MaMopar... gonna have to photoshop a "Authentic Bottom Feeder" logo for them... :D
Allen
Alright now, fill the rest of us in. who is Billie Jean? Which car did you tag with that name?
Sorry Allen :D
Quote from: 69_500 on March 31, 2008, 05:50:58 PM
Alright now, fill the rest of us in. who is Billie Jean? Which car did you tag with that name?
That would be my topless Challenger which appeared in the 1985 movie "The Legend of Billie Jean" filmed in Corpus Christi, Texas...
Poster & screen grabs below.
Allen
Billie Jean after being purchased in the late 1980s...
Original FJ5 Sublime Green car... have data plate, broadcast sheet, movie documentation, etc.
Car was bought in Santa Monica, California and shipped to Corpus Christi, Texas for the movie. It was repainted black & primer OVER the shiney Sublime Green to make it look like a high school kid's car. There was NO body filler under the primered areas!!!
More recent pictures... also visible in the background in the early part of this thread...
Allen
pretty love that color combo allen
Learn something new every day don't I? I knew you had the challenger, but didn't know it was that one. Okay moving on here.
I still prefer the 500 and the Daytona though.
The last few weeks have been a blur... too busy with work and other tasks to check on the C500 very often. I did make it by last week for a while before impending severe weather (hail, tornado, 80+ MPH winds, etc) made me run for home.
Work was continuing on various parts like the hood, deck lid, fenders, doors, etc. Below are a few pictures from the paint booth...
Allen
More from the paint booth and hanging around elsewhere...
More B5 Blue starting to appear sooner than I expected...
Fit checking continues while we wait for the repro parts still needed from AMD (trunk floor extensions, rear valance, valance corners, etc). Both quarter panels were attached with small screws, and the fit seems great so far. The rear window plug was just set in place to check instead of using small screws...
I will try to go back tomorrow or Friday if I have the time...
Thats all for now........................
Allen
Looks awesome Allen, it's going pretty fast!
Looking good , one thing I noticed right away on the last pic from underneath is lack of gas tank support brackets.Hope the shop still has them.Not trying to nit pick I just reinstalled those brackets on my car that's why I spotted it.
making good progress now :yesnod: awesome job :2thumbs:
it's looking good :2thumbs: i luv that color
Looks nice. They are progressing quite fast. To bad the other needed parts aren't available yet, I'm sure they would be even farther along.
Hey Allen, looks great! Have you any further news from your parts suppliers time line? This post, Magnums 500, and Genos Daytona are three of the most informative posts ever put up on our site, Dukketona is a close podium finish!! :cheers:
Thanks for all this info!
Steve
Allen!!!! man, everything looks great !!!! Love that B5
Troy
Quote from: 69bronzeT5 on April 16, 2008, 06:37:10 PM
Looks awesome Allen, it's going pretty fast!
Thanks Cody... I need to go check out your restoration thread again!
Quote from: UFO on April 16, 2008, 07:27:47 PM
Looking good , one thing I noticed right away on the last pic from underneath is lack of gas tank support brackets.Hope the shop still has them.Not trying to nit pick I just reinstalled those brackets on my car that's why I spotted it.
I looked at the brackets today... they are still attached to whats left of the old trunk floor... Thanks for the heads-up though!
Quote from: tan top on April 16, 2008, 07:45:11 PM
making good progress now :yesnod: awesome job :2thumbs:
Thanks... Good progress yes... just hope it all turns out well!
Quote from: BigBlockSam on April 16, 2008, 08:17:40 PM
it's looking good :2thumbs: i luv that color
Thanks... B5 Rules!
Quote from: LeeBoy on April 16, 2008, 08:28:30 PM
Looks nice. They are progressing quite fast. To bad the other needed parts aren't available yet, I'm sure they would be even farther along.
Thanks... Maybe too fast... A few parts have to be redone, including the bottom side of the hood... see below
Quote from: XS29J8 on April 17, 2008, 08:16:21 AM
Hey Allen, looks great! Have you any further news from your parts suppliers time line? This post, Magnums 500, and Genos Daytona are three of the most informative posts ever put up on our site, Dukketona is a close podium finish!! :cheers:
Thanks for all this info!
Steve
Thanks Steve... Glad you like the thread, and yes Magnum's C500 thread & Geno's Daytona thread are a great help for me as well... I am always using Right Click, Save! I last talked to AMD a week ago, and they were hoping to have most of the parts within a month. I am near the top of their waiting list, so I should be able to get pieces from the first batches... I will check with them again next week.
Quote from: hemi68charger on April 17, 2008, 12:13:33 PM
Allen!!!! man, everything looks great !!!! Love that B5
Troy
Thanks Troy... Like Geno said, we need an update on your Hemi Charger... BTW, you are now trying to trade for a Superbird?!!!... I though you were like Danny, C500s & Daytonas...
I went look at the C500 today, not much new to report... mostly waiting on parts from AMD or me. Several parts are being redone for various reasons... For example, the bottom side of hood is being redone mostly due to flaws in the primer showing through the B5 Blue in many locations. Also, the body shop forgot to remove the bumper plates prior to priming & painting... :P See pictures below.
Allen
Quote from: xs29j8Bullitt on April 17, 2008, 07:50:33 PM
Quote from: 69bronzeT5 on April 16, 2008, 06:37:10 PM
Looks awesome Allen, it's going pretty fast!
Thanks Cody... I need to go check out your restoration thread again!
Its stalled right now, I dropped a resume off at a big auto parts store here so I'm hoping I get the job. If I do, then the project will be back on and in full swing :2thumbs:
Quote from: hemi68charger on April 17, 2008, 12:13:33 PM
Allen!!!! man, everything looks great !!!! Love that B5
Troy
Thanks Troy... Like Geno said, we need an update on your Hemi Charger... BTW, you are now trying to trade for a Superbird?!!!... I though you were like Danny, C500s & Daytonas...
I went look at the C500 today, not much new to report... mostly waiting on parts from AMD or me. Several parts are being redone for various reasons... For example, the bottom side of hood is being redone mostly due to flaws in the primer showing through the B5 Blue in many locations. Also, the body shop forgot to remove the bumper plates prior to priming & painting... :P See pictures below.
Allen
Quote
Well,, I would LOVE to have a Daytona, but if the reality of life and being a commoner with average filled pockets plays out, then a Superbird would be a nice alternative to a Daytona.. I could still have two aeros........... I think the hemi car's equal in value if not more than your average 'Bird..........
Troy
PS: See you at Boerne or Bastrop?
Quote from: hemi68charger on April 18, 2008, 02:42:46 PM
Quote from: hemi68charger on April 17, 2008, 12:13:33 PM
Allen!!!! man, everything looks great !!!! Love that B5
Troy
Thanks Troy... Like Geno said, we need an update on your Hemi Charger... BTW, you are now trying to trade for a Superbird?!!!... I though you were like Danny, C500s & Daytonas...
I went look at the C500 today, not much new to report... mostly waiting on parts from AMD or me. Several parts are being redone for various reasons... For example, the bottom side of hood is being redone mostly due to flaws in the primer showing through the B5 Blue in many locations. Also, the body shop forgot to remove the bumper plates prior to priming & painting... :P See pictures below.
Allen
Quote
Well,, I would LOVE to have a Daytona, but if the reality of life and being a commoner with average filled pockets plays out, then a Superbird would be a nice alternative to a Daytona.. I could still have two aeros........... I think the hemi car's equal in value if not more than your average 'Bird..........
Troy
PS: See you at Boerne or Bastrop?
two aero cars are better then none
Quote from: hemi68charger on April 18, 2008, 02:42:46 PM
Well,, I would LOVE to have a Daytona, but if the reality of life and being a commoner with average filled pockets plays out, then a Superbird would be a nice alternative to a Daytona.. I could still have two aeros........... I think the hemi car's equal in value if not more than your average 'Bird..........
Troy
PS: See you at Boerne or Bastrop?
Troy - I plan to go to Boerne, but not Bastrop. The Cowtown Mopar RoundUp show is tomorrow, and the Pate Swap Meet starts next week...
Stuart - Did you forget to type your reply? All I see is the quote from Troy... ??? ...Or do I need an evening cup of coffee? :shruggy:
Allen
I was thinking the exact same thing about Stuarts reply. I had to read it 3 times, looking for his reply in the mix of the quotes, but I still don't see anything different.
The B5 looks good on what parts are already painted Allen. Did you get anything in the mail yet?
Quote from: 69_500 on April 18, 2008, 08:12:16 PM
I was thinking the exact same thing about Stuarts reply. I had to read it 3 times, looking for his reply in the mix of the quotes, but I still don't see anything different.
The B5 looks good on what parts are already painted Allen. Did you get anything in the mail yet?
I have been working on my `Cuda to get it ready for the show tomorrow, so I haven't checked the mail... I will get the mail in a few minutes and let you know...
Allen
Quote from: xs29j8Bullitt on April 18, 2008, 08:17:21 PM
Quote from: 69_500 on April 18, 2008, 08:12:16 PM
I was thinking the exact same thing about Stuarts reply. I had to read it 3 times, looking for his reply in the mix of the quotes, but I still don't see anything different.
The B5 looks good on what parts are already painted Allen. Did you get anything in the mail yet?
I have been working on my `Cuda to get it ready for the show tomorrow, so I haven't checked the mail... I will get the mail in a few minutes and let you know...
Allen
The package arrived today... Thanks Danny! :cheers:
Here's the `Cuda charging up... It's a dual-mode plug in hybrid ya know... :eek2: :lol:
Allen
So Allen the question is this. Once the 500 is done, will it also share the garage with the Cuda, or will it be sent back out to the same building it came out of?
Quote from: 69_500 on April 19, 2008, 08:12:06 AM
So Allen the question is this. Once the 500 is done, will it also share the garage with the Cuda, or will it be sent back out to the same building it came out of?
We had great weather today for the 22nd Annual Cowtown Mopar RoundUp... :2thumbs:
'Ole Yeller is back in the garage now after I decided not to take it to a local cruise tonight...
Pictures top to bottom:
1) I had it "made in the shade" from a canopy that survived the recent severe weather we had
2) Four Shaker `Cudas in a row... three being factory Shaker cars
3) The E-Body Stock class was too competive for 'Ole Yeller's 24 year old restoration... but the old gal still managed a Runner-Up plaque
And to answer your question Danny, the 'Cuda will probably get exiled to the Workshop... with the C500 sharing the garage with a 2009 Challenger R/T daily driver...
4) The `Cuda has spent time in the Workshop before...
I have thought about adding a second garage (3 car) to the house, but I don't have any near term plans.
Allen
Ah well if you need a garage to store it in, Allen I have 2 extra spots in my garage right now. I know its an E body but I might let it in. :pity:
What are the future plans for that 318 68? Resto-mod? Stock resto?
Ah for it to be sunny and warm here in Indiana, one can only hope it comes soon. I finally got the 500 out and cleaned it all up today. Doesn't look half bad, but man even when its clean I see thousands of things I want to fix.
The 'cuda looks great Allen.
Quote from: 69_500 on April 20, 2008, 07:18:20 AM
Ah well if you need a garage to store it in, Allen I have 2 extra spots in my garage right now. I know its an E body but I might let it in. :pity:
Getting it back might be the problem... looking for Daytona trade bait aren't you? :scratchchin:
Quote from: Fitz73Chrgr on April 20, 2008, 03:55:14 PM
What are the future plans for that 318 68? Resto-mod? Stock resto?
I original bought the '68 318 Charger as a driver & possible donor for the triple black Charger R/T. I have thought about various possible uses for the car, including stock "Driver" resto, Resto Mod, Pro Street, and even a stock
appearing "Evil Twin" for Bullitt (the Triple Black R/T). Below is a picture of the car during better days in the late 1980s... it has been weathered down by outside storage in the 1990s, and has rust damaged rear frame rails... :eek2:
Quote from: 69_500 on April 20, 2008, 06:12:52 PM
Ah for it to be sunny and warm here in Indiana, one can only hope it comes soon. I finally got the 500 out and cleaned it all up today. Doesn't look half bad, but man even when its clean I see thousands of things I want to fix.
The 'cuda looks great Allen.
Fix the "low hanging fruit" problems, and keep driving it until you have another running Aero car to drive... after all, I need to be able to bum a ride in an Aero car at Monster Mopar... :icon_smile_wink:
Allen
What are you trying to say with "low hanging fruit problems?" Gotta problem with my bubbles in my lower quarters do ya? JK
Its always here if you wanna bum a ride at an Aero meet Allen. And yeah Daytona trade bait would be nice, but for now I can't even find good 500 trade bait. I was just meaning if you were looking for a nice clean, heated garage to store the car in, so that it won't have to go back to the workshop. Then again, how 'bout you finish up the 500 and I'll be more than happy to store it up here instead, that way you can have the 'Cuda and the new Challenger in the same garage.
Quote from: 69_500 on April 22, 2008, 07:55:36 PM
What are you trying to say with "low hanging fruit problems?" Gotta problem with my bubbles in my lower quarters do ya? JK
Nothing to do with a few rust bubbles, just a reference to the "easy to get at" problem fixes... things that only prevent the car from being driven for a few days at most.
Quote from: 69_500 on April 22, 2008, 07:55:36 PM
Then again, how 'bout you finish up the 500 and I'll be more than happy to store it up here instead, that way you can have the 'Cuda and the new Challenger in the same garage.
Hmmmm............ :scratchchin: :eek2:
Allen you can always bum a ride with us at MM. are you planning on coming to Rich's before? Brent
Quote from: notabird on April 23, 2008, 08:25:25 AM
Allen you can always bum a ride with us at MM. are you planning on coming to Rich's before? Brent
Thanks Brent!!! I might manage to get a ride in a Charger 500 and a Daytona! :cheers:
Y'alls Daytona is absolutely awesome... getting me to get out after the ride might be difficult, but "don't tase me bro..." :lol:
Actually, Rich's event is one of the main reasons that I plan to go again... I really had a great time last year! Sadly, I will be in the Ram 1500 again with just photo albums... maybe next year will be different... MAYBE :P
Allen
Quote from: xs29j8Bullitt on April 24, 2008, 06:19:49 PM
Quote from: notabird on April 23, 2008, 08:25:25 AM
Allen you can always bum a ride with us at MM. are you planning on coming to Rich's before? Brent
Thanks Brent!!! I might manage to get a ride in a Charger 500 and a Daytona! :cheers:
Y'alls Daytona is absolutely awesome... getting me to get out after the ride might be difficult, but "don't tase me bro..." :lol:
Actually, Rich's event is one of the main reasons that I plan to go again... I really had a great time last year! Sadly, I will be in the Ram 1500 again with just photo albums... maybe next year will be different... MAYBE :P
Allen
you can ride the convert too if you like , will be great for taking pictures with the top down
Quote from: moparstuart on April 24, 2008, 07:55:01 PM
Quote from: xs29j8Bullitt on April 24, 2008, 06:19:49 PM
Quote from: notabird on April 23, 2008, 08:25:25 AM
Allen you can always bum a ride with us at MM. are you planning on coming to Rich's before? Brent
Thanks Brent!!! I might manage to get a ride in a Charger 500 and a Daytona! :cheers:
Y'alls Daytona is absolutely awesome... getting me to get out after the ride might be difficult, but "don't tase me bro..." :lol:
Actually, Rich's event is one of the main reasons that I plan to go again... I really had a great time last year! Sadly, I will be in the Ram 1500 again with just photo albums... maybe next year will be different... MAYBE :P
Allen
you can ride the convert too if you like , will be great for taking pictures with the top down
Most excellent!... Thanks Stuart, I will take you up on that offer! That will be quite an experience! :cheers:
I just got back from the Pate Swap Meet... very little in the way of Mopar parts, but I did buy 60 metal storage boxes with divided compartments like used at auto parts stores for brake parts, etc. The vendor had them at $5 each, or 3 for $10... ended up paying $2 each for the 60 boxes. There were even a few leftover parts like brake caliper bolts in several of the boxes... :icon_smile_big:
Allen
Where in the world are you going to put 60 different cases at? Isn't that going to take up like an entire wall in the garage? Or are they all destined to the warehouse?
Quote from: 69_500 on April 25, 2008, 09:28:27 PM
Where in the world are you going to put 60 different cases at? Isn't that going to take up like an entire wall in the garage? Or are they all destined to the warehouse?
The metal boxes are only about 2 inches tall each, so all should fit on one shelving unit... probably 4 side by side on 5 shelves, each stacked 3 high. The boxes will be used in the workshop instead of the garage.
Getting ready to go back out to the swap meet...
Allen
Ah I got ya now. For some reason when I was reading that I was thinking of a larger box with multiple slid out drawers. I have 2 in my garage that have about 10 drawers per box, and are probably 3'x3' each, and was trying to think of where on earth you were going to put 60 of those. Guess I should have slowed down and read what you wrote a little slower, instead of just thinking I knew what you were talking about.
Quote from: xs29j8Bullitt on April 25, 2008, 06:35:57 PM
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Quote from: notabird on April 23, 2008, 08:25:25 AM
Allen you can always bum a ride with us at MM. are you planning on coming to Rich's before? Brent
Thanks Brent!!! I might manage to get a ride in a Charger 500 and a Daytona! :cheers:
Y'alls Daytona is absolutely awesome... getting me to get out after the ride might be difficult, but "don't tase me bro..." :lol:
Actually, Rich's event is one of the main reasons that I plan to go again... I really had a great time last year! Sadly, I will be in the Ram 1500 again with just photo albums... maybe next year will be different... MAYBE :P
Allen
you can ride the convert too if you like , will be great for taking pictures with the top down
Most excellent!... Thanks Stuart, I will take you up on that offer! That will be quite an experience! :cheers:
I just got back from the Pate Swap Meet... very little in the way of Mopar parts, but I did buy 60 metal storage boxes with divided compartments like used at auto parts stores for brake parts, etc. The vendor had them at $5 each, or 3 for $10... ended up paying $2 each for the 60 boxes. There were even a few leftover parts like brake caliper bolts in several of the boxes... :icon_smile_big:
Allen
offer stands would love a ride in the 500 when it's done
Quote from: moparstuart on April 26, 2008, 08:13:43 PM
Quote from: xs29j8Bullitt on April 25, 2008, 06:35:57 PM
Quote from: moparstuart on April 24, 2008, 07:55:01 PM
you can ride the convert too if you like , will be great for taking pictures with the top down
Most excellent!... Thanks Stuart, I will take you up on that offer! That will be quite an experience! :cheers:
offer stand would love a ride in the 500 when it's done
You will certainly get a ride in the C500 Stuart! Danny, Brent, Geno, Troy and some other folks will be offered rides as well... if they still sell gasoline in the year that the restoration is finished (my projects tend to take forever!)... :lol:
Allen
Well, time for an update on the C500... I have been tied up with work and attending the local annual Mopar show as well as the Pate Swap Meet, so only had a little time to spend on checking up on the C500. I made it by the bodyshop one day last week to talk to the shop owner about some items on the Charger 500.
Due to concerns about precisely matching the paint on different exterior panels, the shop has agreed to my request to delay painting any more exterior surfaces until the unibody is ready to paint. The exterior surfaces of the doors were already painted much sooner than I expected, and I talked to a lot of painters who said matching the look of the paint would probably be a problem. The doors will probably be repainted when the other exterior surfaces are painted.
Painting of other surfaces will probably procede (like engine compartment, underside, door jams, etc). The primary concern is how the metallics in the paint will lay, and how that could change the appearance of the paint. This is not a real concern on areas with a lot of angled surfaces, where they will have a different look due to lighting effects no matter how well they match.
When I stopped by, the shop owner was working on a small rust repair on the inner fender below the battery tray. A previous repair with bondo was removed during media blasting, so a proper metal repair is being done. Below are pictures showing the area before the car was dis-assembled, then after media blasting, and two pictures showing the area being repaired. I will get another picture next time I check on the car of the area when the repair is completed (it was still in work when I left).
Allen
Allen any new news on the car? Or having any more problems with the reproduction parts? Love following this thread, because it lets me know which parts to stay away from, and which are good parts to use.
Quote from: 69_500 on May 17, 2008, 10:03:52 AM
Allen any new news on the car? Or having any more problems with the reproduction parts? Love following this thread, because it lets me know which parts to stay away from, and which are good parts to use.
I have been out of town and/or busy at work for the last several weeks. I will try to check on the C500 early next week, but it is mostly on hold for repro parts from AMD. The main holdup now that I cannot work around are the valance corners. One of the latest holdups is an apparent shortage of sheetmetal in China... :brickwall:
I am trying to get caught up with tasks, but the electrician is due at any moment to start work on Phase II of my workshop wiring... some progress is being made though, the new owner of the 1973 Charger SE 440 car picked it up a week ago.
Allen
I was thinking maybe you were upset with me for bidding on those emblems and that was why you hadn't been posting lately.
Quote from: 69_500 on May 17, 2008, 01:26:00 PM
I was thinking maybe you were upset with me for bidding on those emblems and that was why you hadn't been posting lately.
Nope... Super busy at work, filled in for my boss one week, out of town trip the next week, many house related tasks, etc, etc, etc.............
Here are a few pictures from my last visit to the bodyshop... the fuel tank brackets that were asked about earlier are now on along with brackets inside the trunk. I should have another update later in the week, but it probably will not show a lot of progress... waiting for repro parts.
Allen
It has just been pointed out to me that the fuel tank brackets are installed wrong... I need to start paying more attention to what the bodyshop is doing... they are making more & more mistakes :P
Like I said before, it has been a very busy time around here lately... but I need to make the time to keep better tabs on the C500
BTW, Thanks for the heads-up Brian!!! :wave:
Allen
good thing you caught that - I spent an hour looking at mine tonight and was going to break the bad news to ya... :pity:.
any new developments? :popcrn:
Quote from: Fitz73Chrgr on June 18, 2008, 10:10:14 AM
any new developments? :popcrn:
Not really... Still on hold for AMD reproduction parts. Talked to Alan at AMD on Monday and he said the valance corner prototypes had FINALLY arrived and would be test fitted this week. They have already noticed a flange that is too narrow, but hopefully that will be the only issue with the test fit. Still sounds like the first production parts are still 30-45 days out... :P Alan said to call back this Friday to see how the test fit went.
The C500 has been on hold for a couple of months now. I have also been preoccupied with other projects and a few mini disasters. The latest one is my home water heater... I get to spend $835 or more Friday afternoon. In the meantime I get to enjoy my indoor (garage) pool... :brickwall:
My workshop wiring Phase II project is making slow progress... 11 new flourescent light fixtures have been installed, with more to come. My workshop clean-up project has drastically slowed due to leg injuries (cyatic nerve & ankle)... :P Maybe I will post a few workshop wiring pictures sometime soon... The Texas Summer heat is also starting to build, I spent most of last Friday mowing and doing other yard work, etc. :eek2:
Well... those are all my best excuses for now... :lol:
Allen
Hey Allen, when you finally get fed up with the whole restoring car thing just let me know. I'd be more than happy to take a few of those projects off your hands. :D Its been a few months since I posted anything like that so I figured I'd just remind ya. ;)
Quote from: 69_500 on June 18, 2008, 07:22:01 PM
Hey Allen, when you finally get fed up with the whole restoring car thing just let me know. I'd be more than happy to take a few of those projects off your hands. :D Its been a few months since I posted anything like that so I figured I'd just remind ya. ;)
Do I know you? :scratchchin: :D ;)
Nah, just a person you met in passing at a show. :cheers:
Quote from: xs29j8Bullitt on June 18, 2008, 07:24:20 PM
Quote from: 69_500 on June 18, 2008, 07:22:01 PM
Hey Allen, when you finally get fed up with the whole restoring car thing just let me know. I'd be more than happy to take a few of those projects off your hands. :D Its been a few months since I posted anything like that so I figured I'd just remind ya. ;)
Do I know you? :scratchchin: :D ;)
put my name on that list too allen , when your tired of the aero cars just call !
Allen,
Is been nearly a month. Whats new with the car? Anything? I've always been told that no news is good news.
And hopefully you'll be at the Monster Mopar again this year too right?
Quote from: 69_500 on July 19, 2008, 09:03:02 PM
Allen,
Is been nearly a month. Whats new with the car? Anything? I've always been told that no news is good news.
And hopefully you'll be at the Monster Mopar again this year too right?
Some progress on getting the required AMD reproduction parts, on Friday they shipped the rear valance and front valance splash shields, along with a set of prototype rear valance corners... Thanks to Alan at AMD!!! Still unavailable are the trunk floor extensions and rear crossmember (might be able to repair the original or fabricate one).
Work on the C500 is still on hold... might get started again if work-arounds can be done for the missing parts. Otherwise the hold might last 45-60 days longer, or more... :shruggy:
Allen
Hot damn those 1/4 panels look nice! :drool5:
Quote from: PocketThunder on July 28, 2008, 10:19:51 AM
Hot damn those 1/4 panels look nice! :drool5:
:yesnod: :yesnod: :yesnod: !!!
Update... Sort of...
Alan at AMD called to say they had most of the parts needed to get my C500 back in work ready to ship. The one exception is the rear crossmember which may (or may not) need to be replaced. The problem is that the C500 will need to come off of the rotisserie to get access to that area, and a crossmember will need to be in hand if needed... otherwise the C500 cannot go back on the Whirly Jig.
Alan told me the rear crossmembers are on a ship headed for the US right now, but the supplier forgot to withhold a few to air freight here. He believes the crossmembers will arrive in about 3 weeks, so the C500 should be back in work by the end of September... I HOPE!
The parts that I recently received from AMD look great, even the pre-production prototype parts. :cheers:
Allen
Congrad's on the progress Allen..... Pushing forward.............. :2thumbs:
Amazing Car, good luck on the rest! :2thumbs:
great news brother , great news :2thumbs: :2thumbs: :2thumbs:
Hi Allen, glad to hear she's still coming along. Sorry to hear about the water heater though, that money would come in handy on the resto I'm sure. By the way I hope that I am still on the list. ;D Take care.
WINGR/Steve
Quote from: WINGR on August 25, 2008, 10:28:49 PM
By the way I hope that I am still on the list. ;D Take care.
There is always hope Steve! ;D As I have said for years, a multi-car trade for a turn-key Daytona is possible
as long as it is of even value AND does not include the triplets... Black 68 Hemi Charger R/T, Platinum 69 Hemi Road Runner, & Yellow 70 `Cuda 440-6... :popcrn:
Now for some news... I just talked to Alan @ AMD and was told a small number of crossmembers were un-expectedly received in an air-freight shipment of other parts and one was shipped to me today!!! Happy, Happy...Joy, Joy :woohoo: :dance: :dance: :dance:... :eek2:
I will have to see when the body shop will be able to start back on the C500...
Allen
Quote from: xs29j8Bullitt on August 28, 2008, 05:05:23 PM
Quote from: WINGR on August 25, 2008, 10:28:49 PM
By the way I hope that I am still on the list. ;D Take care.
There is always hope Steve! ;D As I have said for years, a multi-car trade for a turn-key Daytona is possible as long as it is of even value AND does not include the triplets... Black 68 Hemi Charger R/T, Platinum 69 Hemi Road Runner, & Yellow 70 `Cuda 440-6... :popcrn:
Now for some news... I just talked to Alan @ AMD and was told a small number of crossmembers were un-expectedly received in an air-freight shipment of other parts and one was shipped to me today!!! Happy, Happy...Joy, Joy :woohoo: :dance: :dance: :dance:... :eek2:
I will have to see when the body shop will be able to start back on the C500...
Allen
ok allen it's not ok for me to happy joy dance but you can ? :smilielol: :smilielol: :smilielol: :smilielol: :smilielol: great news hope work starts up again soon
Quote from: moparstuart on August 28, 2008, 08:36:35 PM
ok allen it's not ok for me to happy joy dance but you can ? :smilielol: :smilielol: :smilielol: :smilielol: :smilielol: great news hope work starts up again soon
I thought it would get a reaction from you... :D :lol:
But I won't be dancing for real anytime soon... just got back from the Doctor, all the tests & X-Rays came back negative... I guess the intense pain that comes and goes in my left leg in just my imagination! :eek2: :RantExplode: Next step is two referrals, including one to a Sports Medicine Physical Therapy specialist... FINALLY!
Allen
hope you get it figured out , see you in a couple weeks ,it's getting closer
Well, the C500 project may be getting derailed for a while...
First the good news...
I received the final repro part from AMD on Wednesday, the rear crossmember which looks very well done. I took the parts received from AMD in the last two months over to the body shop today:
> Rear Valance
> Rear Valance Corners (R&L)
> Rear Crossmember
> Rear Crossmember Fillers (R&L)
> Trunk Floor Extensions (R&L)
> Front Fender / Valance Splash Shields (R&L)
Now the bad news...
The body shop labor charges have been much greater than the estimate:
Mid-November 2007 - Estimate was $16,000 (labor & materials to deliver a painted body shell)
Late-November 2007 - Estimate was adjusted to $18,000 - $20,000 for the same work (written estimate when the body was delivered)
Billling as of today is $18,098 (vast majority is for labor @ $45 per hour)... current estimate to complete $33,000
The $33K figure does not include approximately $10K spend on reproduction sheetmetal and other body shop related material
The figures above do not include thousands more spent on items for the C500, just those related to getting a painted body shell back.
Based on the inability of the body shop owner to adequately explain the overages (says it is hard to estimate the hours a car will take...), I told him to only assemble and prime the body so I could pick it up. His "estimate" to get it to that point is another $5000 plus lead work of about $1000, for a total of over $24,000 for a primered body ($18,098 + $5000 +$1000).
I just wanted to give a heads-up on the possible upcoming work stopage and what has lead up to it. There is still a chance that the body shop and I can work out a deal to have them complete the paint job, but based on today's conversation it seems unlikely...
Allen
W :o W that's a lot of cash. :rotz: Sounds kinda crazy. More mistakes but more money :scratchchin: Hope it all works out for ya.
Same thing happend to me, nothing much you can do about it, just wait. :-\
Ouchy there Allen.
How much of that was wasted hours of work, with them doing something, then having to go back and do it again though? And didn't they get ahead of themselves at a few points in time as well? As in doing things before they should have, which in turn created more work later?
wow at those figures i would want it to be a turn key returned assemble restoration . sorry to here ,but you are right to not be held up for hwy robbery .
I'm hoping that you find someone else close by to do the work, because I for one am very excited about seeing another C500 restored, and back on the road after a long period of time.
Those 1/4's look great on there. I wish full quarters were available when I put one of those Taiwanese ones on my 68.
Thats frustrating getting quoted a price at the start and getting charged double towards the end. I hope it works out for you.
Thanks for the update, it will be one hell of a ride when you're finished.
sorry yo hear about the price change Alan. I did look at a hemi car with a 30k paint job plus the resto work on top of that(looked great by the way)I hope you can work something out with the shop.They have restored cars before right? They should have known what was involved.Sounds like they loballed you to get you in the shop and then--suprise!
Brent
:brickwall: :RantExplode: :flame:
Quote from: notabird on September 09, 2008, 08:12:29 AM
sorry yo hear about the price change Alan. I did look at a hemi car with a 30k paint job plus the resto work on top of that(looked great by the way)I hope you can work something out with the shop.They have restored cars before right? They should have known what was involved.Sounds like they loballed you to get you in the shop and then--suprise!
Brent
i agree they got you in the door and got the car all apart then figure they had him over a barrel and doubled the price .
Sorry to hear about your price adjustment Allen.
I've been in both of your positions, and it's usually not an easy thing to manage - for either party. Which is why I do ALL of my own work.
Unfortunately (or not, depending on the person), I have only myself to blame if things don't turn out the way they should, but it definately simplifies matters.
What amazes me about the circumstances of not only your car, but others is - at what point does the restoration go from being a hobby - to being a business?
If it's a hobby...it's got to rank right up there with the most expensive there is. I usually laugh out loud at golfers when they complain about the costs of their annual green fees!
These cars aren't what most people would consider to be daily transportation, and if they were, the insurance cost would be astronomical. So for the most of us, it's either a "fair-weather" vehicle, or an investment.
And as an investment, the margin is getting smaller every day.
I decided to do my own work after being qouted 11K to replace a front frame rail, an inner fender and the bottom of the rad support.
doing it myself it cost 800 in parts, 600 in materials , 500 bucks for a helper, 700 bucks for a welding machine anda bottle of argon, and about 18 hours of my time( free). the work came out great and you cant even really tell it got replaced. It wouldnt pass some oem judge thing, but more than good enough for me. I have some welding experience, but not much. It wasnt nearly as difficult as it seemed it would be, it just took patience.
so.......11K vs 2600.00
I suggest everyone just give it a shot themselves. it is not that difficult to do. It just takes a little time and patience.
Quote from: SFRT on September 10, 2008, 10:46:17 AM
I decided to do my own work after being qouted 11K to replace a front frame rail, an inner fender and the bottom of the rad support.
doing it myself it cost 800 in parts, 600 in materials , 500 bucks for a helper, 700 bucks for a welding machine anda bottle of argon, and about 18 hours of my time( free). the work came out great and you cant even really tell it got replaced. It wouldnt pass some oem judge thing, but more than good enough for me. I have some welding experience, but not much. It wasnt nearly as difficult as it seemed it would be, it just took patience.
so.......11K vs 2600.00
I suggest everyone just give it a shot themselves. it is not that difficult to do. It just takes a little time and patience.
I am general scared to do it my self that i'm gonna screw something up , but once i do something i get bolder. It usually is easier and comes out better then i thought it would .
Quote from: moparstuart on September 10, 2008, 11:02:50 AM
Quote from: SFRT on September 10, 2008, 10:46:17 AM
I decided to do my own work after being qouted 11K to replace a front frame rail, an inner fender and the bottom of the rad support.
doing it myself it cost 800 in parts, 600 in materials , 500 bucks for a helper, 700 bucks for a welding machine anda bottle of argon, and about 18 hours of my time( free). the work came out great and you cant even really tell it got replaced. It wouldnt pass some oem judge thing, but more than good enough for me. I have some welding experience, but not much. It wasnt nearly as difficult as it seemed it would be, it just took patience.
so.......11K vs 2600.00
I suggest everyone just give it a shot themselves. it is not that difficult to do. It just takes a little time and patience.
I am general scared to do it my self that i'm gonna screw something up , but once i do something i get bolder. It usually is easier and comes out better then i thought it would .
I hear ya. 100K resto by someone else and hopefully it is all good in and it doesn't take moons to get it back or 25K if you do it yourself and it takes moons but the car is safe at your house. You will have to buy equipment but then you will have it.
Any new news to report at this time allen?
:popcrn: :popcrn: :popcrn: :popcrn:
Quote from: 69_500 on October 19, 2008, 07:34:51 PM
Any new news to report at this time allen?
Sorry for the delay in responding, but I have been planning to check on the C500 for over two weeks now. It has become like "going to the dentist", something that you know you have to do but put it off a day at a time... Most of the visits in the last several months have involved me getting more bad $$$ news... and getting pi$$ed about the situation!
Well, I finally went today... the body shop owner wasn't there so no new bad $$$ news today. The progress wasn't as much as I had hoped, but it has been worked on... I guess he has a better fish hooked on another line. There were some new Mopars in the shop, and progress had been made on the ones previously there.
Below are a few new pictures from today...
Allen
Quote from: moparstuart on October 19, 2008, 09:03:18 PM
:popcrn: :popcrn: :popcrn: :popcrn:
On a more pleasant subject, slow but steady progress is being made on organizing my workshop and completing the electrical system. A friend & I have been freeing up space with creative storing of bulky items like sheetmetal... hanging them from trusses to make use of "dead" space. Shelving units will start going up tomorrow...
On the electrical side, I have been getting by with three portable flourescent fixtures... but the first permanent fixtures were powered up last Saturday (see bottom picture). As floor space is being freed up, access to complete the wiring is getting a LOT better!
Allen
shop is looking good alllen
There ya go Allen.... Looking good... I too need to add some lighting in the middle of my garage...
Cheers,
Troy
Quote from: moparstuart on October 24, 2008, 10:42:57 PM
shop is looking good alllen
WOW. i dont know if "Shop" is the right term for that awesome space. Maybe "taj-Garage" or "muscle car palace" would be a better fit. :o :2thumbs:
Hi Allen,
Your shop is looking great. I have'nt been on in a while and was very sad to see the $$$$$ problems you're having with the resto shop, I hope it works out for you. Good luck with whatever you decide.
Brian
Quote from: brianz426 on October 29, 2008, 10:27:50 PM
Hi Allen,
Your shop is looking great. I have'nt been on in a while and was very sad to see the $$$$$ problems you're having with the resto shop, I hope it works out for you. Good luck with whatever you decide.
Brian
:yesnod: :yesnod: :yesnod: yes hope it works out , or you find a better / honest place !
sad to put that much money into any rustbucket. :Twocents:
Quote from: jerry on November 04, 2008, 10:26:29 PM
sad to put that much money into any rustbucket. :Twocents:
:ahum:
Quotesad to put that much money into any rustbucket. Twocents
:shruggy:
wasnt really a rust bucket , we can show you rust buckets !!! :Twocents: http://www.dodgecharger.com/forum/index.php/topic,49624.0.html look here
plus it's a 500 aerocar worth every penny to save.
Quote from: jerry on November 04, 2008, 10:26:29 PM
sad to put that much money into any rustbucket. :Twocents:
Thanks for your heartfelt concern... :Twocents:
Had I had your wisdom and foresight, I would have bailed out before the scrapmetal prices dropped... now I will have to wait! :brickwall:
By your exalted standards, almost ALL of my MoPars are rustbuckets or hammered $hyt... Oh well... :shruggy:
Maybe my 55K mile survivor 1968 Polara & 76K mile Ram 1500 are worth saving... Nah, not rare enough... Crush 'Em too! :P
Looking forward to seeing pictures of your survivor class Aerocars... :drool5: :drool5: :drool5: :pigsfly:
Allen
Ransom Paid, Hostage Released...
The Charger 500 was removed from the body shop today after 51 weeks in captivity... the total ransom (body shop bill) was $19,043.18. That is right in the middle of the $18,000 to $20,000 written estimate... only the car is not painted, nor body work finished, nor suspension installed, nor.................... :flame: BTW, did I mention the original verbal estimate was $16,000 ($6,000 bodywork + $10,000 "show car paint job"). Thats an overrun of $13,043.18 on bodywork... AND it is not finished! That amount includes about $2300 for paint & related material (some of which was no good due to color match problem) so I guess the overrun was a bit less than $11,000 for the unfinished work. BTW, ALL of the reproduction sheetmetal was paid for separately... NONE were covered by body shop billing!!!
In an earlier post I estimated $23,000 to $24,000 for the bodyshop to finish the bodywork... but this early intervention has saved thousands of $$$. At a later date I will tell the story of the Mopar friend that offered the intervention... many thanks to him and his friend who helped rescue the C500.
As I write this the Charger 500 is on it's way to temporary storage a long way from here, but work will resume soon! Look for my ads soon on eBay, Craigslist, Etc... gotta raise $$$ to complete the C500. I will be selling mostly E-Body stuff tho........
Below are pictures from today.
Allen
Sounds pretty crazy. Hope it all works out. This is one reason why I am hesitant on taking mine anywhere. I am slowly working on mine and tring to do most of it. Good luck on the E-Body fund raising program :2thumbs:
Quote from: The70RT on November 14, 2008, 08:16:58 PM
Sounds pretty crazy. Hope it all works out. This is one reason why I am hesitant on taking mine anywhere. I am slowly working on mine and tring to do most of it. Good luck on the E-Body fund raising program :2thumbs:
Thanks, I believe that the situation will quickly improve now that the car has been picked up...
To show how absurd it was, the body shop owner shouted back to the office to hold off totalling the bill because he was asked to install the hood. Now, looking at the payment receipt it looks like the "hood" was hand written in... could it be that I got four bolts installed for FREE?!? :boogie: :boogie: :boogie: :sarcasmalert:
Allen
What do you plan on selling?
Let's go pay the guy a visit and show him what the inside of a toilet bowl looks like,... :D
after I'm done with it. :moon: :nutkick: :loser:
Quote from: 69bronzeT5 on November 14, 2008, 09:18:35 PM
What do you plan on selling?
I will start with some NOS E-Body parts... I just sold a pair of NOS E-Body muffler heat shields (they were not actually for sale, but a good $$$ offer was made). Next some used E-Body parts...
Also, a 1968 Dodge Polara 2 Dr HT with a 383 HP...
Just starting to make a for sale list...
BTW, on eBay and most forums I am just "xs29j8"...
No Charger parts for sale at this time...
Allen
Sorry to hear about the fiasco with you're 500 Allen!
I wish you were closer I'd get that thing done for ya!
BTW I'm sorry to say that I could see this coming from some of the very early posts.....Some of the work they did and how they were doing it made zero sense to me. :Twocents:
Hang in there and it will live on to be the great Charger that it is!
Good luck Allen, Sorry it turned out this way so far dude, just look forward to the finished product and try not to think about the latest fiasco and you'll have a smile on your face. Can't wait to see it all done and finished. Will be one hot 500.
Dunk
Allen , Hope you got all your parts out of there as well.
This sucks! The start of your car was an ispiration to me for my C500. I'm going to do as much as i can on my own to try and avoid what seems to be going on lately in the Charger resto world...
Paul
in Minnesota
The Eagle has landed
Quote from: Hemi_tyme on November 15, 2008, 12:54:38 AM
The Eagle has landed
Is that your trailer hauling the car off?
Allen glad to hear that you got the car out of there, and it is off to someone else to be completed. I'm also glad that you didn't loose all desire to finish the car too. (okay so I'm only a little happy on that one, I was holding out hope of still buying it from ya ;) )
sorry to here this clown ripped you off. Great news it's going to be back on track , good luck brother love your cars and this project is awesome.
Quote$19,043.18.
:fireangry: I'm truly sorry for your hassle . I've always had problems with body shops. you should give Hotrod 98 a call he's the most honerable body shop owner I've ever met. Rene
Quote from: 1hot68 on November 14, 2008, 09:52:38 PM
Sorry to hear about the fiasco with you're 500 Allen!
I wish you were closer I'd get that thing done for ya!
BTW I'm sorry to say that I could see this coming from some of the very early posts.....Some of the work they did and how they were doing it made zero sense to me. :Twocents:
Hang in there and it will live on to be the great Charger that it is!
Quote from: Kiwi68 on November 14, 2008, 11:00:00 PM
Good luck Allen, Sorry it turned out this way so far dude, just look forward to the finished product and try not to think about the latest fiasco and you'll have a smile on your face. Can't wait to see it all done and finished. Will be one hot 500.
Dunk
Thanks guys... in the end the car will have been worth the grief, but a $10K+ lesson is still hard to stomach! Having already sold some E-Body stuff, the car will be back in work very soon...
Allen
Quote from: UFO on November 14, 2008, 11:05:53 PM
Allen , Hope you got all your parts out of there as well.
I hope so too...
I checked for the C500 unique parts, and believe they were all there... Rear Window Plug & mounting angles, Headlight Adapters, Etc. I do not think the bodyshop intentionally kept any parts, although I would not be surprised if some bolts or paint materials did not end up on other cars... in fact, one of the two gallons of B5 base coat that I paid $1336.40 seemed VERY light when I picked it up. :P
The C500 will be inpected by the new bodyshop to see where we are at...
Some of the parts are shown in the pictures below.
Allen
Quote from: PocketThunder on November 15, 2008, 12:53:28 AM
This sucks! The start of your car was an ispiration to me for my C500. I'm going to do as much as i can on my own to try and avoid what seems to be going on lately in the Charger resto world...
Paul
in Minnesota
Thanks Paul, doing the majority on you own IS the best approach! My results are mixed so far, but those shops that I had good results with are shut down due to owner retirement...
Best of luck... and be very careful... INSIST on frequent UP-TO-DATE invoices
Allen
Quote from: Hemi_tyme on November 15, 2008, 12:54:38 AM
The Eagle has landed
:cheers: :woohoo: :drive: :boogie:
THANKS KEN!!!
AND THANKS TO GREG ALSO!!!
Quote from: 69_500 on November 15, 2008, 10:17:49 AM
Quote from: Hemi_tyme on November 15, 2008, 12:54:38 AM
The Eagle has landed
Is that your trailer hauling the car off?
Might be... :whistling: :lol:
Quote from: 69_500 on November 15, 2008, 10:17:49 AM
Allen glad to hear that you got the car out of there, and it is off to someone else to be completed. I'm also glad that you didn't loose all desire to finish the car too. (okay so I'm only a little happy on that one, I was holding out hope of still buying it from ya ;) )
Thanks Danny... it as been a rough year, and the C500 saga is only a part of it. Where you interested in the C500?... :shruggy: :D :lol:
Allen
Quote from: DougSchellinger on November 15, 2008, 11:00:39 AM
Quote from: Hemi_tyme on November 15, 2008, 12:54:38 AM
The Eagle has landed
Excellent news !!
Yes indeed Doug!!! Thanks!
Like the raid at Entebbee, the raid at Blue Mound was successful! I guess it should have had a codename like "Blue Thunder". :icon_smile_wink:
More pictures from yesterday are below...
Allen
Quote from: moparstuart on November 15, 2008, 11:14:06 AM
sorry to here this clown ripped you off. Great news it's going to be back on track , good luck brother love your cars and this project is awesome.
Thanks Stuart! I am very happy that another bodyman will inspect the car before it is all buttoned up for paint!
Allen
Quote from: xs29j8Bullitt on November 15, 2008, 12:28:15 PM
Quote from: 69_500 on November 15, 2008, 10:17:49 AM
Quote from: Hemi_tyme on November 15, 2008, 12:54:38 AM
The Eagle has landed
Is that your trailer hauling the car off?
Might be... :whistling: :lol:
Quote from: 69_500 on November 15, 2008, 10:17:49 AM
Allen glad to hear that you got the car out of there, and it is off to someone else to be completed. I'm also glad that you didn't loose all desire to finish the car too. (okay so I'm only a little happy on that one, I was holding out hope of still buying it from ya ;) )
Thanks Danny... it as been a rough year, and the C500 saga is only a part of it. Where you interested in the C500?... :shruggy: :D :lol:
Allen
gee i had no idea danny was interested either , wow you learn something new everyday :smilielol: :smilielol: :smilielol: :smilielol: hey allen i got a bird convert wanna trade for a daytona LOL
Quote from: BigBlockSam on November 15, 2008, 11:37:10 AM
Quote$19,043.18.
:fireangry: I'm truly sorry for your hassle . I've always had problems with body shops. you should give Hotrod 98 a call he's the most honerable body shop owner I've ever met. Rene
Thanks Rene! I believe Larry is a top notch body shop owner... something that I have had trouble finding in North Texas! I had thought about asking Larry or others about taking over the task when it started to spiral out of control, but did not want to impose someone else's mess on them. But, when Ken contacted me with the offer to intervene, I did not hesitate a single second!!! After meeting and talking with Greg K. who will be doing the C500 work, I feel a LOT more confident about the outcome!
Allen
Quote from: xs29j8Bullitt on November 15, 2008, 12:55:43 PM
Quote from: BigBlockSam on November 15, 2008, 11:37:10 AM
Quote$19,043.18.
:fireangry: I'm truly sorry for your hassle . I've always had problems with body shops. you should give Hotrod 98 a call he's the most honerable body shop owner I've ever met. Rene
Thanks Rene! I believe Larry is a top notch body shop owner... something that I have had trouble finding in North Texas! I had thought about asking Larry or others about taking over the task when it started to spiral out of control, but did not want to impose someone else's mess on them. But, when Ken contacted me with the offer to intervene, I did not hesitate a single second!!! After meeting and talking with Greg K. who will be doing the C500 work, I feel a LOT more confident about the outcome!
Allen
great news allen i'm sure ken and greg will fix you up ,there work looks top notch . Alway great when an aerocar guy is the one doing the restoration .
Quote from: moparstuart on November 15, 2008, 12:48:33 PM
gee i had no idea danny was interested either , wow you learn something new everyday :smilielol: :smilielol: :smilielol: :smilielol: hey allen i got a bird convert wanna trade for a daytona LOL
Looks like I had better keep the Daytona for my own safety... both you & Danny could run me down for a stomping at a future show... :eek2: :lol:
Allen
I'm glad to see that things are looking up. Good luck with the new body shop. I'll be checking in on this thread frequently. :cheers:
Allen,
I've been following your thread and it is definitely hard to watch this happen to you after going through a similar situation myself - however, I know my car's in the right hands now and it'll be done to a much higher standard than I ever imagined... I really sympathize with you and hope that your car also ends up in the right hands now and you complete this great car...
The title to this thread was a foreshadowing more than you ever could have guessed, I'm sure... one of those hard ($$$) lessons to learn...
Good luck with everything and I'm pulling for you!
BZ
Quotegreat news allen i'm sure ken and greg will fix you up ,there work looks top notch . Alway great when an aerocar guy is the one doing the restoration .
:yesnod: :boogie:
What gives you the idea that I'd possibly be interested in that Daytona you have too Allen? Oh okay so I haven't seen one of those ever that I wasn't interested in though.
Yeah figured I'd spring it on you now 800 post into the thread that I'd love to have your 500. Better late than never right? Oh wait I think I've mentioned it at least 20 times already in this thread alone.
Allen.I amsoory to hear about your troubles as well.I went through the same thing on my Talladega.It started out @ 15k and before it was over it was 38k.Where I ran into trouble was the fact that 1) My car was very rusty to start with needing floor pans,1/4s and other stuff 2)The stuff that was replaced on my car had to be taken out of a good donor.It is certainly not as ez as it is to build a Mustang or other car that replacement sheet metal is availible for.It sound as if you are on the right track now.Maybe you will get it done by the 09 Reunion.Jon Wood
Allen,
Glad to hear you've "rescued" your car. I know that whole situation was wearing on you quite a bit, and it must be a relief to have the car safely tucked away in Ken's shop. It'll be worth the wait, I know.
Keep us posted, as usual...
:cheers:
Quote from: bzabodyn on November 15, 2008, 01:36:59 PM
Allen,
I've been following your thread and it is definitely hard to watch this happen to you after going through a similar situation myself - however, I know my car's in the right hands now and it'll be done to a much higher standard than I ever imagined... I really sympathize with you and hope that your car also ends up in the right hands now and you complete this great car...
The title to this thread was a foreshadowing more than you ever could have guessed, I'm sure... one of those hard ($$$) lessons to learn...
Good luck with everything and I'm pulling for you!
BZ
Thanks Brandon, I have been following your restoration ordeal too... seems a lot worse than mine. Sounds like your car is back on track, and I believe mine will be also.
You are right about the prophetic nature of my thread title "...a long saga". Long was to be expected, but I never expected this painful...
Best of luck on your Hemi Charger... maybe we will park 'em together at a future show... "the body shock survivors".
Allen
Quote from: 69_500 on November 15, 2008, 08:42:24 PM
What gives you the idea that I'd possibly be interested in that Daytona you have too Allen?
My mistake... the Daytona interest list has been corrected. :icon_smile_wink:
Quote from: 69_500 on November 15, 2008, 08:42:24 PM
Yeah figured I'd spring it on you now 800 post into the thread that I'd love to have your 500. Better late than never right? Oh wait I think I've mentioned it at least 20 times already in this thread alone.
I wonder if anti-stalking laws apply... :lol:
Allen
Quote from: jonw29 on November 15, 2008, 10:13:30 PM
Allen.I amsoory to hear about your troubles as well.I went through the same thing on my Talladega.It started out @ 15k and before it was over it was 38k.Where I ran into trouble was the fact that 1) My car was very rusty to start with needing floor pans,1/4s and other stuff 2)The stuff that was replaced on my car had to be taken out of a good donor.It is certainly not as ez as it is to build a Mustang or other car that replacement sheet metal is availible for.It sound as if you are on the right track now.Maybe you will get it done by the 09 Reunion.Jon Wood
Thanks Jon, I have been following your Talladega thread as well. I almost bought a Talladega early this year but bailed out when the bodyshop bills started to spiral into orbit. I am looking forward to seeing your car at the '09 Reunion, but there is no way my C500 will be finished... maybe by the '10 Monster Mopar... I hope!
Allen
sorry to here this ! what up with these body shops...... :rotz: ..looks like it has gone to a good shop ! good you got the C500 out & its safe !!!
looking forward to seeing & reading about the progress as & when :popcrn:
Quote from: hemigeno on November 16, 2008, 12:48:54 AM
Allen,
Glad to hear you've "rescued" your car. I know that whole situation was wearing on you quite a bit, and it must be a relief to have the car safely tucked away in Ken's shop. It'll be worth the wait, I know.
Keep us posted, as usual...
:cheers:
Thanks Gene! Yes, the C500 fiasco has been on my mind a lot... along with other situations, I am so ready for 2008 to be over with... hoping 2009 will get things back on track!
I never thought that I happy to see my Charger 500 taken over 350 miles from my home... BUT I WAS!!!
Things seem to be going well on your Daytona restoration... I need to go copy all the new pictures that you posted last week!
Allen
Quote from: tan top on November 16, 2008, 11:33:31 AM
sorry to here this ! what up with these body shops...... :rotz: ..looks like it has gone to a good shop ! good you got the C500 out & its safe !!!
looking forward to seeing & reading about the progress as & when :popcrn:
Thanks, I will be posting some of the progress pictures as they are emailed to me. :2thumbs:
Allen
Hey Allen, while your adding my name to a wish list on your cars, go ahead and throw it down on the list of people who would like the Superbird too. Just make sure its lower on the list than my name appears on the other list for the Daytona and the 500. :nana:
Quote from: Hemi_tyme on November 15, 2008, 12:54:38 AM
The Eagle has landed
In Arkansas no doubt. Sounds like it's in good hands
Quote from: xs29j8Bullitt on November 16, 2008, 11:13:48 AM
Thanks Brandon, I have been following your restoration ordeal too... seems a lot worse than mine. Sounds like your car is back on track, and I believe mine will be also.
You are right about the prophetic nature of my thread title "...a long saga". Long was to be expected, but I never expected this painful...
Best of luck on your Hemi Charger... maybe we will park 'em together at a future show... "the body shock survivors".
Allen
I'll take you up on that - hopefully we'll both be done before the end of '09 and can ring in their 41st birthdays together! (since we missed their 40th's)
BZ
Quote from: xs29j8Bullitt on November 16, 2008, 11:20:58 AM
Quote from: 69_500 on November 15, 2008, 08:42:24 PM
What gives you the idea that I'd possibly be interested in that Daytona you have too Allen?
My mistake... the Daytona interest list has been corrected. :icon_smile_wink:
Quote from: 69_500 on November 15, 2008, 08:42:24 PM
Yeah figured I'd spring it on you now 800 post into the thread that I'd love to have your 500. Better late than never right? Oh wait I think I've mentioned it at least 20 times already in this thread alone.
I wonder if anti-stalking laws apply... :lol:
Allen
great one less competitor on the daytona list LOL
Quote from: moparstuart on November 17, 2008, 10:28:03 AM
Quote from: xs29j8Bullitt on November 16, 2008, 11:20:58 AM
Quote from: 69_500 on November 15, 2008, 08:42:24 PM
What gives you the idea that I'd possibly be interested in that Daytona you have too Allen?
My mistake... the Daytona interest list has been corrected. :icon_smile_wink:
Quote from: 69_500 on November 15, 2008, 08:42:24 PM
Yeah figured I'd spring it on you now 800 post into the thread that I'd love to have your 500. Better late than never right? Oh wait I think I've mentioned it at least 20 times already in this thread alone.
I wonder if anti-stalking laws apply... :lol:
Allen
great one less competitor on the daytona list LOL
One less? are you withdrawing your name from the list Stuart? :)
no you are LOL allen is trading me even up for the birdible
Hey Allen, how are you doing? Just wanted to make sure I was still on the list for the C500. Sorry to hear what you've been going through with her but I think that is all behind you now. Good luck and take care.
Steve
Quote from: WINGR on November 17, 2008, 08:19:09 PM
Hey Allen, how are you doing? Just wanted to make sure I was still on the list for the C500. Sorry to hear what you've been going through with her but I think that is all behind you now. Good luck and take care.
Steve
Yep, you are still on the C500 list! :yesnod:
Anyone want the second to last ticket from the 3rd roll?... :lol:
Allen
Allen you need on of those digital read outs like they have at the meat section of the grocery. So we know how close we are to our 999 number.
turn the number upside down and JB666 might :shruggy:
Happy Birthday
Blue Thunder!!!
Based on the Scheduled Production Date of December 4, 1968... My Charger 500 "Blue Thunder" turned 40 years old today! :cheers: With her "extreme make-over" now back on track, there is finally something to celebrate again!
Restoration Status:After being moved to a new restoration shop, an inventory was done on the parts & materials. The good news is that all of the Charger 500 unique parts appear to be accounted for at this time. Materials are another story though... there is not even enough base color to properly paint the C500...
something happened to it... :flame: Out of two gallons that I paid the original body shop $1336.40 for, there is a little over a gallon left! More base color will be purchased & it with be mixed with the left-over paint to guarantee a color match. Work has been restarted on the C500, with good progress being reported. I should have the first pictures from the new body shop soon... a software issue is holding them up at the moment.
Allen
Happy Birthday and continued sucess on its rebirth
Go ahead and tell your car Happy Birthday from Danny. I think it will know who I am. :hah:
Looking forward to seeing some more progress pictures.
great news HAPPY HAPPY JOY JOY :dance: :dance: :dance: :dance: :dance: :dance: :dance: :dance: :dance: :dance: :dance: :dance: :dance: :dance: :dance: :boogie: :boogie: :boogie: :boogie: :boogie: :boogie: :boogie: :boogie: :boogie: :boogie: :boogie: :boogie: :boogie:
Allen,
Glad that things are picking up for you again. Has the old shop offered ANY explanation for the missing paint/materials?
:flame:
Quote from: 69_500 on December 04, 2008, 07:48:14 PM
Go ahead and tell your car Happy Birthday from Danny. I think it will know who I am. :hah:
:smilielol: :smilielol: :smilielol: :smilielol: Now that was funny... :icon_smile_big:
Happy Birthday to BT!
Quote from: nascarxx29 on December 04, 2008, 07:39:06 PM
Happy Birthday and continued sucess on its rebirth
Quote from: 69_500 on December 04, 2008, 07:48:14 PM
Go ahead and tell your car Happy Birthday from Danny. I think it will know who I am. :hah:
Looking forward to seeing some more progress pictures.
Quote from: moparstuart on December 04, 2008, 09:08:14 PM
great news HAPPY HAPPY JOY JOY :dance: :dance: :dance: :dance: :dance: :dance: :dance: :dance: :dance: :dance: :dance: :dance: :dance: :dance: :dance: :boogie: :boogie: :boogie: :boogie: :boogie: :boogie: :boogie: :boogie: :boogie: :boogie: :boogie: :boogie: :boogie:
Quote from: PocketThunder on December 05, 2008, 09:43:16 AM
Quote from: 69_500 on December 04, 2008, 07:48:14 PM
Go ahead and tell your car Happy Birthday from Danny. I think it will know who I am. :hah:
:smilielol: :smilielol: :smilielol: :smilielol: Now that was funny... :icon_smile_big:
Happy Birthday to BT!
Thanks guys... things seem to really be falling into place now, but gathering the funds to finish the project any time soon is a challenge. Selling E-Body parts & US Savings Bonds... :P
BTW Danny, I called old Blue to pass on your Happy B-Day wishes... but she said "Darn, the stalker found me!" & hung up... :shruggy:
she hung up :smilielol: :smilielol: :smilielol: :smilielol: DANNY the stalker :smilielol: :smilielol:
Darn it, and here I was thinking that I had made those 3 trips to Texas to check her out unnoticed. Guess I'm not as sneaky as I think huh. :slap:
Allen,
I am a newbie to this site, just stumbling across it last week. It took awhile but I poured through this thread with great interest as a C500 owner myself. My car too is awaiting full restoration and I took a ton away from here. I just wanted to thank you for the time and effort it took you to share your experiences. Extremely helpful. I am sorry for your troubles as well. I've been involved in the auto collision business for over 11 years now, so I can't say I am surprised these types of things happen. I know several very good body shop owners, large and small shops here in CT. Most shops just do not want to get involved in restoration work and when they do, they regret it and often rush through it.
-
I can't say that I know any resto shops, I don't but I know what the pressures are on owners to make money. It's not easy at $45 to $60 per hour with all the costs involved. For me and my Chargers, this is not a problem because I could not afford them anyway. I have to do my own work. Being in the business just allows me to ask informed questions of informed techs. Either way, you will have one awesome car when done. Thank you again and please keep the updates coming...
Mike
Quote from: hemigeno on December 05, 2008, 09:36:04 AM
Allen,
Glad that things are picking up for you again. Has the old shop offered ANY explanation for the missing paint/materials?
:flame:
No, but I have not pursued the issue with them. I first discovered the light cans when the C500 was being picked up by Ken & Greg. I asked about the very light feel (20% or so) of one of the B5 Blue gallon cans, and the shop owner picked it up and declared that there was at least a half-gallon left in the can... :pigsfly: ...with the tense feel of the situation, and Ken & Greg needing to get on the road back home, I dropped the subject... pursuing it would have been :horse:
BTW, I called English Color today (one of the top suppliers of Automotive paints in Fort Worth) and asked about the cost of PPG DBC type base color in 1969 B5 Blue... I was told the price was $396.15 per gallon. Applying an estimated discount of 15%, then doubling the dicounted price resulted in a total within about $10 of the amount that I was charged by the body shop... Also, the empty can I was charged for also appears to be missing in action... wonder what it is being used for?!?... :scratchchin:
I believe that trying to discuss the incredible labor charges, missing materials, and other problems endured during this fiasco would be a complete waste of time. He claims to be a man of faith... maybe he will discuss it with
someone in the future... I just plan to accept it as a tough lesson in life and continue on.
Below is a portion of the final invoice showing the materials that I paid for...
Allen
Allen,
Did you get the leftover clear coat, that is usually more $$$ than the base anyway?
Mike
Quote from: charger500440 on December 05, 2008, 05:53:23 PM
Allen,
I am a newbie to this site, just stumbling across it last week. It took awhile but I poured through this thread with great interest as a C500 owner myself. My car too is awaiting full restoration and I took a ton away from here. I just wanted to thank you for the time and effort it took you to share your experiences. Extremely helpful. I am sorry for your troubles as well. I've been involved in the auto collision business for over 11 years now, so I can't say I am surprised these types of things happen. I know several very good body shop owners, large and small shops here in CT. Most shops just do not want to get involved in restoration work and when they do, they regret it and often rush through it.
-
I can't say that I know any resto shops, I don't but I know what the pressures are on owners to make money. It's not easy at $45 to $60 per hour with all the costs involved. For me and my Chargers, this is not a problem because I could not afford them anyway. I have to do my own work. Being in the business just allows me to ask informed questions of informed techs. Either way, you will have one awesome car when done. Thank you again and please keep the updates coming...
Mike
Thanks Mike! And again welcome to the forum...
And there are always two sides to a business transaction, and I would certainly welcome a chance to openly air both sides at a local Mopar club meeting... but I doubt the body shop owner would want that opportunity. I have the original written estimate, a stack of in-work invoices, and 2,000 pictures taken in the 51 weeks the Charger 500 was at the shop.
I have seen the other side too, where a car owner has unreasonable expectations of a restoration shop... and I have consistently tried to be fair and accomodating, often accepting mistakes and less than desired workmanship to reduce the rework requirement. In this case it appears to have been interpreted as a sign I would accept anything...
Thanks again... and I am glad you like the thread and find it helpful, but sorry you had to endure the length!
Allen
Quote from: charger500440 on December 05, 2008, 05:58:39 PM
Allen,
Did you get the leftover clear coat, that is usually more $$$ than the base anyway?
Mike
From the invoice it appears much cheaper than the base coat (see attachment in earlier post).
After I picked up the base color gallon cans & reducer (?) can I stopped to asked the shop owner about the base color... after his reply I decided to drop the subject. I will find out from the owner of the current shop more detailed information about leftover quantities...
Allen
Allen,
The paint issue was interesting to me. I have worked on the insurance company end of the collision business for a long time, so I get the paint cost issue brought up to me a lot. The stuff is not cheap. However bases, unless they are reds or three-stage pearls, are usually not too bad cost-wise. And 2 gallons of base, reduced, should go a long way. The clear on the other hand is crazy money. Varying only slightly per manufacturer.
-
I was also a little surprised the shop was using PPG. Not one I would have chosen. For durability, I hear Sikkens is top notch. Especially their primers and clear coats. Can't beat them. I just had this talk a few days ago with a shop I know very well. Standox is another very popular supplier. They cater more to the production body shop business, less durable but easier to work with and a much better color matching system. Lastly, Glasurit has a great name in the business as well. PPG, a household name but much less popular. Keep in mind too that Dupont has gobbled up some of these companies in recent years.
-
The killer is that much of these materials have their roots as oil based products. The price of crude oil has dropped (with help from your Houston neighbors) but the costs associated with paints have not. Keep in mind too, the push towards water-born paints is well underway. This is already creating adhesion problems in the collision business, especially with plastic components. There's always something changing, for better or worse. I will check with a couple people on your bill, see what they think...
Mike
xs29J8bullit, what an incredible heartbreaker to read about end result of the restoration shop work. There is no excuse for that large of an overage.
Since you have invoices from the beginning showing what the cost should be, I would use those to your advantage and try to reclaim some of your money. :Twocents:
I hate to admit that the shop I was dealing with was screwing over many people for many thousands of dollars, expensive parts lost, cars missing. Luckily I had taken him to small claims court to remedy my situation before he skipped town, never to be seen again.
Quote from: charger500440 on December 06, 2008, 08:27:11 AM
Allen,
The paint issue was interesting to me. I have worked on the insurance company end of the collision business for a long time, so I get the paint cost issue brought up to me a lot. The stuff is not cheap. However bases, unless they are reds or three-stage pearls, are usually not too bad cost-wise. And 2 gallons of base, reduced, should go a long way. The clear on the other hand is crazy money. Varying only slightly per manufacturer.
-
I was also a little surprised the shop was using PPG. Not one I would have chosen. For durability, I hear Sikkens is top notch. Especially their primers and clear coats. Can't beat them. I just had this talk a few days ago with a shop I know very well. Standox is another very popular supplier. They cater more to the production body shop business, less durable but easier to work with and a much better color matching system. Lastly, Glasurit has a great name in the business as well. PPG, a household name but much less popular. Keep in mind too that Dupont has gobbled up some of these companies in recent years.
-
The killer is that much of these materials have their roots as oil based products. The price of crude oil has dropped (with help from your Houston neighbors) but the costs associated with paints have not. Keep in mind too, the push towards water-born paints is well underway. This is already creating adhesion problems in the collision business, especially with plastic components. There's always something changing, for better or worse. I will check with a couple people on your bill, see what they think...
Mike
Mike - I am not a subject expert by any means on paint brand quality, but believe PPG's top line product is a good quality product. I ruled out cheaper sub-brand lines like Matrix even though many people have had great luck with them. Sikkens is a good product, and one of my vehicles was painted with it in the earlier 90s, and although it held up fairly well it did not seem superior to PPG IMO. My `Cuda 440-6 was painted with Deltron Single Stage (non clear coat) about 24 years ago and has held up great. Glasurit is probably the best product line available, but it is my my understanding that it takes special equipment and training to properly apply... maybe a paint expert will weigh in on the matter. I thought it best to stick with a product line that the paint shop was well-practiced in using.
Looking forward to input on the prices that I was charged for the materials...
Allen
Quote from: watt340 on December 06, 2008, 11:37:23 AM
xs29J8bullit, what an incredible heartbreaker to read about end result of the restoration shop work. There is no excuse for that large of an overage.
Since you have invoices from the beginning showing what the cost should be, I would use those to your advantage and try to reclaim some of your money. :Twocents:
I hate to admit that the shop I was dealing with was screwing over many people for many thousands of dollars, expensive parts lost, cars missing. Luckily I had taken him to small claims court to remedy my situation before he skipped town, never to be seen again.
Hi watt340, welcome to the forum and this thread...
For the moment I have no plans to take the first body shop to court over the fiasco, but I am organizing the material that I have (estimate, invoices, photos, etc) in case they are needed in the future... I am just grateful that the C500 unique parts (rear window plug, headlight adapters, etc) did not get "lost". I have heard stories about much worst body shop disasters, but this is by far the worst financial transaction that I have ever endured...
Allen
Quote from: xs29j8Bullitt on December 06, 2008, 12:14:29 PM
Quote from: charger500440 on December 06, 2008, 08:27:11 AM
Allen,
The paint issue was interesting to me. I have worked on the insurance company end of the collision business for a long time, so I get the paint cost issue brought up to me a lot. The stuff is not cheap. However bases, unless they are reds or three-stage pearls, are usually not too bad cost-wise. And 2 gallons of base, reduced, should go a long way. The clear on the other hand is crazy money. Varying only slightly per manufacturer.
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I was also a little surprised the shop was using PPG. Not one I would have chosen. For durability, I hear Sikkens is top notch. Especially their primers and clear coats. Can't beat them. I just had this talk a few days ago with a shop I know very well. Standox is another very popular supplier. They cater more to the production body shop business, less durable but easier to work with and a much better color matching system. Lastly, Glasurit has a great name in the business as well. PPG, a household name but much less popular. Keep in mind too that Dupont has gobbled up some of these companies in recent years.
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The killer is that much of these materials have their roots as oil based products. The price of crude oil has dropped (with help from your Houston neighbors) but the costs associated with paints have not. Keep in mind too, the push towards water-born paints is well underway. This is already creating adhesion problems in the collision business, especially with plastic components. There's always something changing, for better or worse. I will check with a couple people on your bill, see what they think...
Mike
Mike - I am not a subject expert by any means on paint brand quality, but believe PPG's top line product is a good quality product. I ruled out cheaper sub-brand lines like Matrix even though many people have had great luck with them. Sikkens is a good product, and one of my vehicles was painted with it in the earlier 90s, and although it held up fairly well it did not seem superior to PPG IMO. My `Cuda 440-6 was painted with Deltron Single Stage (non clear coat) about 24 years ago and has held up great. Glasurit is probably the best product line available, but it is my my understanding that it takes special equipment and training to properly apply... maybe a paint expert will weigh in on the matter. I thought it best to stick with a product line that the paint shop was well-practiced in using.
Looking forward to input on the prices that I was charged for the materials...
Allen
Allen,
I cant vouch for Sikkens in the 90s, But I can tell you that right now apples to apples Sikkens is FAR Superior to PPG.
I was a PPG user for many many years, and have used Sikkens Autobase+ With Sikkens AutoClear3 For 3 years now and unless thing changed drastically within the Companies ,I would NEVER go back!
I do agree with using the products that you re shop is used to though, Cause The technician can make a huge diff. in how the product performs too.
Thanks Allen. I'm sure glad your parts were returned. Believe me, it could have turned out like the situation in Indy. I have followed the story of your restoration since the beginning, very interesting. The photos of the window plug inside and out, and also removed from the car were pretty fascinating, thanks for sharing. It helps a new guy like me understand how the they were installed.
I've been a 1969 A12 Road Runner guy for a long time, but the Charger 500's are really getting my interest, something about these special package cars. I'll just stop in from time to time, sit back and soak up as much information as possible. :2thumbs:
Dave
Hey Dave, what situation in Indy are you refering to? I don't recall any big problems with a restoration shop here in Indy?
Danny, the small claims court judge said I can't get into specifics over the internet. You have a message.
I have been tied up with a project at work for most of the last 3 weeks or so, but finally have some time to post on the thread. I have been talking on a regular basis with the owner of the new body shop and everything seems to be going along very well! :cheers:
The software issue seems to finally be resolved, and I received the first four pictures tonight. The body shop has inventoried the parts that were picked up with C500, and it appears some may not be related to the C500. So far a corroded side marker bezel and hood latch seem out of place... I will know more when additional pictures and an inventory list arrive.
Good progress is reported on the C500, and I will post more pictures when they arrive.
Allen
At least they have everything good and labeled. Some progress will make the holidays a little better.
I have received a few questions about the status of the C500 restoration, so I thought that I would update the thread...
I talked to the body shop owner yesterday, and there has not been a lot of progress since the middle of December. Greg (the owner) has been tied up with regular body shop work since the holidays, but plans to get back on the C500 soon. Hopefully the ice storm going on now doesn't result in a glut of regular "production" work and put my C500 on the back burner.
I don't mind a small delay now & then, and I am not working to a firm deadline. I hope to have new pictures soon, but here are a few that I received during the holidays. At the time the pictures were taken, the bodyshop was test fitting all of the external parts and adjusting the gaps on the various body panels...
I wil post new pictures when I receive them.
Allen
Allen I'll still take it even though it looks like a total basket case and headache. JK.
Car will be great looking once they get done with it. And then you will be giving me a ride around a track instead of having to ride in my rusty car.
Allen,
Car is coming along nicely, no doubt about it. Love 500's and love B5. I did follow up with a couple of body shop owners with regard to the paint and material bill your "former" shop saddled you with. The consensus was that they marked up the material across the board. Probably 25-30% or so. The base coat price was the most excessive in their eyes. I know it's water under the bridge at this point anyway but I did mention I would check it out for you. The normal body shops out there are busy right now, especially here in the northeast. However, it will be spring soon and with the economy what it is I suspect it will slow down to a crawl like last year. Keep the updates coming...
Mike
Quote from: 69_500 on January 28, 2009, 07:12:36 PM
Allen I'll still take it even though it looks like a total basket case and headache. JK.
Car will be great looking once they get done with it. And then you will be giving me a ride around a track instead of having to ride in my rusty car.
Well Danny, you were the quickest draw this time with your kind offer to relieve me of my headache. Second place goes to Contestant 2 who sent me a PM last night, and third to Contestant 3 and his email this afternoon... No word yet from #4 or #5... oh wait, the phone is ringing... :smilielol: J/K
You can certainly ride in the C500 went the day comes, even drive the darn thing!
I received three more pictures from Greg today showing work from several weeks ago. The quarter panels are being welded on after completion of the final fit/gap check. The dark smudges around the wheel openings and other edges of the quarter panels are from the tack welds.
I believe more recent pictures will arrive tomorrow showing the current status of the C500. Thanks Greg!
See pictures attached below... BTW, the C500 is off the cart and on a rotisserie.
Allen
looks good :yesnod: been wondering how the C500 was going :scratchchin:
looking forward to seeing more progress pictures :popcrn: .......... :2thumbs:
Quote from: charger500440 on January 29, 2009, 07:56:47 AM
Allen,
Car is coming along nicely, no doubt about it. Love 500's and love B5. I did follow up with a couple of body shop owners with regard to the paint and material bill your "former" shop saddled you with. The consensus was that they marked up the material across the board. Probably 25-30% or so. The base coat price was the most excessive in their eyes. I know it's water under the bridge at this point anyway but I did mention I would check it out for you. The normal body shops out there are busy right now, especially here in the northeast. However, it will be spring soon and with the economy what it is I suspect it will slow down to a crawl like last year. Keep the updates coming...
Mike
Thanks Mike... I believe mark-up on the base coat was more like 100%, based on a call the I made late last year to a popular auto paint supplier here in Fort Worth, English Color. Their walk in off the street price was under $400 per gallon, and assuming a 15% body shop discount, then doubling the discounted price came within about $10 of the $1336 that I paid for the two gallons. Then there is the matter of the "missing" base coat paint (1/2 gallon or so)... unless it took over three quarts to paint a couple of doors & hinges. AND the original paint matching screw-up made by the body shop or the paint store, but paid for by ME! Of about $1800 spent on base coat paint, about $450 worth remains, and all painted parts will be stripped and repainted (except light coating on inside of quarter panels).
Allen :RantExplode: :brickwall: :flame: :slap: <takes deep breath> :icon_smile_wink:
Quote from: xs29j8Bullitt on January 29, 2009, 09:19:37 PM
Quote from: charger500440 on January 29, 2009, 07:56:47 AM
Allen,
Car is coming along nicely, no doubt about it. Love 500's and love B5. I did follow up with a couple of body shop owners with regard to the paint and material bill your "former" shop saddled you with. The consensus was that they marked up the material across the board. Probably 25-30% or so. The base coat price was the most excessive in their eyes. I know it's water under the bridge at this point anyway but I did mention I would check it out for you. The normal body shops out there are busy right now, especially here in the northeast. However, it will be spring soon and with the economy what it is I suspect it will slow down to a crawl like last year. Keep the updates coming...
Mike
Thanks Mike... I believe mark-up on the base coat was more like 100%, based on a call the I made late last year to a popular auto paint supplier here in Fort Worth, English Color. Their walk in off the street price was under $400 per gallon, and assuming a 15% body shop discount, then doubling the discounted price came within about $10 of the $1336 that I paid for the two gallons. Then there is the matter of the "missing" base coat paint (1/2 gallon or so)... unless it took over three quarts to paint a couple of doors & hinges. AND the original paint matching screw-up made by the body shop or the paint store, but paid for by ME! Of about $1880 spent on base coat paint, about $450 worth remains, and all painted parts will be stripped and repainted (except light coating on inside of quarter panels).
Allen :RantExplode: :brickwall: :flame: :slap: <takes deep breath> :icon_smile_wink:
i would have tryed to be a contestant also allen but i'm broke, I want the daytona more anyway now that i have a 500
Quote from: moparstuart on January 29, 2009, 09:22:42 PM
i would have tryed to be a contestant also allen but i'm broke, I want the daytona more anyway now that i have a 500
Excellent choice... Daytona! :drool5: :drool5: :drool5: :drool5: :drool5:
Quote from: xs29j8Bullitt on January 29, 2009, 09:28:05 PM
Quote from: moparstuart on January 29, 2009, 09:22:42 PM
i would have tryed to be a contestant also allen but i'm broke, I want the daytona more anyway now that i have a 500
Excellent choice... Daytona! :drool5: :drool5: :drool5: :drool5: :drool5:
allen will you adopt me PLEASE :2thumbs:
Quote from: moparstuart on January 29, 2009, 09:28:47 PM
Quote from: xs29j8Bullitt on January 29, 2009, 09:28:05 PM
Quote from: moparstuart on January 29, 2009, 09:22:42 PM
i would have tryed to be a contestant also allen but i'm broke, I want the daytona more anyway now that i have a 500
Excellent choice... Daytona! :drool5: :drool5: :drool5: :drool5: :drool5:
allen will you adopt me PLEASE :2thumbs:
:lol: Can't do it because then I would be a dead man walking... :eek2:
I sometimes wonder how many of my friends carry Power-of-Attorney forms... :P :scratchchin:
Allen..
Man, I haven't visited this thread in a long time and it seems you got yourself out of a similar pickle like I had with Smitty? Regardless, she's looking good and WOW, B5 has been painted?!
:2thumbs:
Troy
Quote from: xs29j8Bullitt on January 29, 2009, 09:52:24 PM
Quote from: moparstuart on January 29, 2009, 09:28:47 PM
Quote from: xs29j8Bullitt on January 29, 2009, 09:28:05 PM
Quote from: moparstuart on January 29, 2009, 09:22:42 PM
i would have tryed to be a contestant also allen but i'm broke, I want the daytona more anyway now that i have a 500
Excellent choice... Daytona! :drool5: :drool5: :drool5: :drool5: :drool5:
allen will you adopt me PLEASE :2thumbs:
:lol: Can't do it because then I would be a dead man walking... :eek2:
I sometimes wonder how many of my friends carry Power-of-Attorney forms... :P :scratchchin:
naaaaaaaaa Buddy I would need to you keep working to get them restored :smilielol: :smilielol:
quote - moparstuart: i would have tryed to be a contestant also allen but i'm broke, I want the daytona more anyway now that i have a 500
You can always convert the 500 to a Daytona :icon_smile_big:
Quote from: The70RT on January 30, 2009, 10:37:32 AM
quote - moparstuart: i would have tryed to be a contestant also allen but i'm broke, I want the daytona more anyway now that i have a 500
You can always convert the 500 to a Daytona :icon_smile_big:
thats a no no , I am making the daytona clone , but the real thing is always better . I will own part of one as soon as allen adopts me . :smilielol: Of course he gets part of the birdible and my 500 :smilielol: :smilielol:
Quote from: moparstuart on January 29, 2009, 09:28:47 PM
Quote from: xs29j8Bullitt on January 29, 2009, 09:28:05 PM
Quote from: moparstuart on January 29, 2009, 09:22:42 PM
i would have tryed to be a contestant also allen but i'm broke, I want the daytona more anyway now that i have a 500
Excellent choice... Daytona! :drool5: :drool5: :drool5: :drool5: :drool5:
allen will you adopt me PLEASE :2thumbs:
<---mom gets that a lot
Quote from: pettybird on January 30, 2009, 02:17:20 PM
Quote from: moparstuart on January 29, 2009, 09:28:47 PM
Quote from: xs29j8Bullitt on January 29, 2009, 09:28:05 PM
Quote from: moparstuart on January 29, 2009, 09:22:42 PM
i would have tryed to be a contestant also allen but i'm broke, I want the daytona more anyway now that i have a 500
Excellent choice... Daytona! :drool5: :drool5: :drool5: :drool5: :drool5:
allen will you adopt me PLEASE :2thumbs:
<---mom gets that a lot
hey dougy we could be brother !!!! tell carol to adopt me
Quote from: moparstuart on January 30, 2009, 02:37:55 PM
Quote from: pettybird on January 30, 2009, 02:17:20 PM
Quote from: moparstuart on January 29, 2009, 09:28:47 PM
Quote from: xs29j8Bullitt on January 29, 2009, 09:28:05 PM
Quote from: moparstuart on January 29, 2009, 09:22:42 PM
i would have tryed to be a contestant also allen but i'm broke, I want the daytona more anyway now that i have a 500
Excellent choice... Daytona! :drool5: :drool5: :drool5: :drool5: :drool5:
allen will you adopt me PLEASE :2thumbs:
<---mom gets that a lot
hey dougy we could be brother !!!!
some have already speculated as much based on our powerful physiques :pigsfly:
Quote from: hemi68charger on January 29, 2009, 10:36:28 PM
Allen..
Man, I haven't visited this thread in a long time and it seems you got yourself out of a similar pickle like I had with Smitty? Regardless, she's looking good and WOW, B5 has been painted?!
:2thumbs:
Troy
Hi Troy - My fiasco smelled more like month old cabbage instead of a pickle... I believe that my fiasco cost me a lot more $$$ than yours, but Brandon's ordeal probably cost him more than both of ours combined... :P
Others on this forum have been through similar nightmares... seems to almost be the norm now-a-days! :brickwall:
More pictures from Greg tonight...
Allen
Last four pictures tonight...
Hey now, Allen, don't go forgetting how much I liked your Daytona as well. I'd trade ya even up my 500 for your Daytona, then you can have 2 500's to drive once the B5 one is done.
Car looks like its coming along nicely now. Not too much longer and you'll be out banging gears in it.
Quote from: 69_500 on January 31, 2009, 11:10:11 AM
Hey now, Allen, don't go forgetting how much I liked your Daytona as well. I'd trade ya even up my 500 for your Daytona, then you can have 2 500's to drive once the B5 one is done.
Car looks like its coming along nicely now. Not too much longer and you'll be out banging gears in it.
your out danny he's keeping it and just adopting me :nana: :nana: :nana: :nana: :smilielol: :smilielol: :smilielol: :smilielol: the 500 is looking great allen
Quote from: xs29j8Bullitt on January 30, 2009, 07:50:03 PM
Quote from: hemi68charger on January 29, 2009, 10:36:28 PM
Allen..
Man, I haven't visited this thread in a long time and it seems you got yourself out of a similar pickle like I had with Smitty? Regardless, she's looking good and WOW, B5 has been painted?!
:2thumbs:
Troy
Hi Troy - My fiasco smelled more like month old cabbage instead of a pickle... I believe that my fiasco cost me a lot more $$$ than yours, but Brandon's ordeal probably cost him more than both of ours combined... :P
Others on this forum have been through similar nightmares... seems to almost be the norm now-a-days! :brickwall:
More pictures from Greg tonight...
Allen
I hear ya Allen.. Mine was in the ballpark of $23,000 !!!!!! I'm broke.... :smilielol:
I saw Brandon's, man,, that's a handful to say the least................... The updated pictures look encouraging.. You should have it ready for the Talledega Meet !!!!
Quote from: hemi68charger on January 31, 2009, 01:45:21 PM
Quote from: xs29j8Bullitt on January 30, 2009, 07:50:03 PM
Quote from: hemi68charger on January 29, 2009, 10:36:28 PM
Allen..
Man, I haven't visited this thread in a long time and it seems you got yourself out of a similar pickle like I had with Smitty? Regardless, she's looking good and WOW, B5 has been painted?!
:2thumbs:
Troy
Hi Troy - My fiasco smelled more like month old cabbage instead of a pickle... I believe that my fiasco cost me a lot more $$$ than yours, but Brandon's ordeal probably cost him more than both of ours combined... :P
Others on this forum have been through similar nightmares... seems to almost be the norm now-a-days! :brickwall:
More pictures from Greg tonight...
Allen
I hear ya Allen.. Mine was in the ballpark of $23,000 !!!!!! I'm broke.... :smilielol:
I saw Brandon's, man,, that's a handful to say the least................... The updated pictures look encouraging.. You should have it ready for the Talledega Meet !!!!
I sure couldn't dish out the kind of money you guys have. I am hopefully gonna have mine in a shop in the next few months or so. Hopefully my bill will only be around 5K to finish it. If I can get away with a 20K resto in the end I will be stoked!! I am only at like 10K right now. It doesn't hurt to start out with almost a free car too. Im sure you guys will be on the road before I will though. Looks like their doing a fine job Allen :2thumbs:
Quote from: The70RT on January 31, 2009, 01:54:34 PM
Quote from: hemi68charger on January 31, 2009, 01:45:21 PM
Quote from: xs29j8Bullitt on January 30, 2009, 07:50:03 PM
Quote from: hemi68charger on January 29, 2009, 10:36:28 PM
Allen..
Man, I haven't visited this thread in a long time and it seems you got yourself out of a similar pickle like I had with Smitty? Regardless, she's looking good and WOW, B5 has been painted?!
:2thumbs:
Troy
Hi Troy - My fiasco smelled more like month old cabbage instead of a pickle... I believe that my fiasco cost me a lot more $$$ than yours, but Brandon's ordeal probably cost him more than both of ours combined... :P
Others on this forum have been through similar nightmares... seems to almost be the norm now-a-days! :brickwall:
More pictures from Greg tonight...
Allen
I hear ya Allen.. Mine was in the ballpark of $23,000 !!!!!! I'm broke.... :smilielol:
I saw Brandon's, man,, that's a handful to say the least................... The updated pictures look encouraging.. You should have it ready for the Talledega Meet !!!!
I sure couldn't dish out the kind of money you guys have. I am hopefully gonna have mine in a shop in the next few months or so. Hopefully my bill will only be around 5K to finish it. If I can get away with a 20K resto in the end I will be stoked!! I am only at like 10K right now. It doesn't hurt to start out with almost a free car too. Im sure you guys will be on the road before I will though. Looks like their doing a fine job Allen :2thumbs:
Lordy, I had to cash in all the stock I had in my account from work, stock I was going to use for partial retirement, just to get my car out... Believe me, the situation Smitty put me in was one of severe bleeding. I was past the point of no return on my particular fiasco. I'm STILL paying for it. I HATE freakin' body men and mechanics that dupe you or don't live up to their end of the bargain. No wonder there's such a negative reputation when it comes to these businesses.....
Troy
Quote from: hemi68charger on January 31, 2009, 03:22:22 PM
Quote from: The70RT on January 31, 2009, 01:54:34 PM
Quote from: hemi68charger on January 31, 2009, 01:45:21 PM
Quote from: xs29j8Bullitt on January 30, 2009, 07:50:03 PM
Quote from: hemi68charger on January 29, 2009, 10:36:28 PM
Allen..
Man, I haven't visited this thread in a long time and it seems you got yourself out of a similar pickle like I had with Smitty? Regardless, she's looking good and WOW, B5 has been painted?!
:2thumbs:
Troy
:yesnod: :yesnod: :yesnod: :yesnod: :yesnod: :yesnod: :yesnod: :yesnod: :yesnod: :yesnod: :yesnod: :yesnod: :yesnod: :yesnod: :yesnod:
Hi Troy - My fiasco smelled more like month old cabbage instead of a pickle... I believe that my fiasco cost me a lot more $$$ than yours, but Brandon's ordeal probably cost him more than both of ours combined... :P
Others on this forum have been through similar nightmares... seems to almost be the norm now-a-days! :brickwall:
More pictures from Greg tonight...
Allen
I hear ya Allen.. Mine was in the ballpark of $23,000 !!!!!! I'm broke.... :smilielol:
I saw Brandon's, man,, that's a handful to say the least................... The updated pictures look encouraging.. You should have it ready for the Talledega Meet !!!!
I sure couldn't dish out the kind of money you guys have. I am hopefully gonna have mine in a shop in the next few months or so. Hopefully my bill will only be around 5K to finish it. If I can get away with a 20K resto in the end I will be stoked!! I am only at like 10K right now. It doesn't hurt to start out with almost a free car too. Im sure you guys will be on the road before I will though. Looks like their doing a fine job Allen :2thumbs:
Lordy, I had to cash in all the stock I had in my account from work, stock I was going to use for partial retirement, just to get my car out... Believe me, the situation Smitty put me in was one of severe bleeding. I was past the point of no return on my particular fiasco. I'm STILL paying for it. I HATE freakin' body men and mechanics that dupe you or don't live up to their end of the bargain. No wonder there's such a negative reputation when it comes to these businesses.....
Troy
:yesnod: :yesnod: :yesnod:
Sorry to here about your retirement Troy, that really sucks. I didn't mean to sound like I thought you guys had money to dish out like that, sorry if I sounded like it. If it happened to me I would have had to do the same. I lost half of mine last year when the stock morket took a dump. If I knew that was gonna happen I could have drawed half out and had someone finish my car. :brickwall:
Quote from: The70RT on January 31, 2009, 08:18:14 PM
Sorry to here about your retirement Troy, that really sucks. I didn't mean to sound like I thought you guys had money to dish out like that, sorry if I sounded like it. If it happened to me I would have had to do the same. I lost half of mine last year when the stock morket took a dump. If I knew that was gonna happen I could have drawed half out and had someone finish my car. :brickwall:
It's all cool... I still have time to build up the account until I'm ready to retire. My beef was just someone not living up to his end of a deal and it eventually cost me dearly. The thing that stinks is I could have had the car finished a heck of a lot sooner had I'd taken some where else......
Looks like Allen's on the right road for sure...
Quote from: hemi68charger on January 31, 2009, 01:45:21 PM
I hear ya Allen.. Mine was in the ballpark of $23,000 !!!!!! I'm broke.... :smilielol:
I saw Brandon's, man,, that's a handful to say the least................... The updated pictures look encouraging.. You should have it ready for the Talledega Meet !!!!
I assume that is what you have spent on the restoration so far, not your "wasted" money on Smitty's work... ???
Talladega Meet? ... :smilielol:
Allen
Quote from: The70RT on January 31, 2009, 08:18:14 PM
Sorry to here about your retirement Troy, that really sucks. I didn't mean to sound like I thought you guys had money to dish out like that, sorry if I sounded like it. If it happened to me I would have had to do the same. I lost half of mine last year when the stock morket took a dump. If I knew that was gonna happen I could have drawed half out and had someone finish my car. :brickwall:
I have kept mine going by selling E-Body parts & cashing in "rainy day" US Savings Bonds. I have not touched my retirement account... or whats left of it after the "Crash of '08".
Allen
I took my 401k money out five years ago and bought my Daytona, You only go around 1 time i told myself then and never looked back. :icon_smile_big: Jay.
Quote from: WINGMAN on January 31, 2009, 11:30:52 PM
I took my 401k money out five years ago and bought my Daytona, You only go around 1 time i told myself then and never looked back. :icon_smile_big: Jay.
Being over 50, that's probably not a good plan for me... :eek2:
Although I did just sign a large note for a reason similar to yours... but I got a 6 Year / 85,000 mile warranty. :icon_smile_big:
There are a lot of benefits to buying a turn-key Daytona (or any collector car)...
Allen
Heck I'd cash out my retirement plan in a heartbeat for a turn key Daytona. I mean lets see I roughly have what, 35 more years before I can retire anyways? So why not right? Oh wait thats right because as of now my retirement fund doesn't have 1/3 of the money to get a daytona. Used to be closer, but man last years returns weren't good at all. Lost about 45% of the total in a span of 6-8 weeks.
it appears to me that the stock market is not the best place to put $. barrett jackson and meckum is proving that everytime i see an auction. i retired in june of '08 and cloning a superbird that i have wanted since i was 8 years old. the saying is so true......you only live once. go for it. steve
Quote from: xs29j8Bullitt on January 31, 2009, 11:13:12 PM
Quote from: hemi68charger on January 31, 2009, 01:45:21 PM
I hear ya Allen.. Mine was in the ballpark of $23,000 !!!!!! I'm broke.... :smilielol:
I saw Brandon's, man,, that's a handful to say the least................... The updated pictures look encouraging.. You should have it ready for the Talledega Meet !!!!
I assume that is what you have spent on the restoration so far, not your "wasted" money on Smitty's work... ???
Talladega Meet? ... :smilielol:
Allen
NO, that's how much it cost me just to fix his screw up and then paint it the correct way.... Just paint... Not parts, not engine rebuild, not all the NOS parts I've accumulated, etc... Just the dang paint job AFTER I already gave him the $5000 up front as a business investment for HIM....
Ah Oh,, I feel my blood pressure starting to raise again.... :brickwall:
Excellent progress is being made on the recovery plan for the Charger 500, even with more old body shop problems being uncovered... more on that subject in a later post.
The next month should have a lot of progress being made on the C500. Last week the underside surface rust areas not removed by the plastic media blasting a year ago were cleaned up using a more abrasive media. Other small areas like on the rear window plug were also spot cleaned. All the primers and other materials to immediately seal the bare metal have been purchased so the next week should have everything well protected.
New blasting pictures attached below...
Allen
Awesome Allen! All you C500 progress makes me want to work on my car.
More blasting pictures...
Quote from: 69bronzeT5 on February 07, 2009, 05:50:48 PM
Awesome Allen! All you C500 progress makes me want to work on my car.
Thanks Cody... but learn from my mistakes too.
More pictures...
Last of the blasting pictures...
More problems with the work done by the original bodyshop are being uncovered. It is not that the work was totally un-useable, rather just sub-standard for restoration work. For a $600 repair on a Kia it would have been fine...
The latest example is the body line matching between the passenger side door and quarter panel. The aft edge of the door had a thin coat of body filler, and the body line was moved from the original location. Why?... Who knows, probably just carelessness. With the mounting amount of rework being required, its beginning to look like little useable work was done for the massive amount spent at the first bodyshop... its worse than I knew when I pulled the car out.
With the increasingly clear evidence of mistakes and sub-standard performance by the first bodyshop, I have had a nagging concern about trying to use any of the body shop material (base coat paint, clear coat, reducer, etc)recovered from the first shop. I am concerned about contamination, accidental or otherwise. So, I have decided not to use the remaining $450 worth of material on the C500... I will try to use it on another car I suppose. So about $2400 of materials now written off... It might just be paranoia on my part, but if something happened with the new paint the cost would be a lot more than $450... and I would always wonder about the cause! Its just more hard earned $$$ down the tubes.
The two pictures below show where the body line problem was discovered... BTW, these pictures were taken before the media blasting shown above.
Allen
Well at least know you can rest easier knowing that what work will be done on the car, will only have to be done 1 time. And in all honesty will probably be the last time that the car is ever back apart. I mean what are the odds of it being torn down and completely gone through again? Not high.
Car will be absolutely stunning once completed.
Quote from: 69_500 on February 07, 2009, 08:31:22 PM
Well at least know you can rest easier knowing that what work will be done on the car, will only have to be done 1 time. And in all honesty will probably be the last time that the car is ever back apart. I mean what are the odds of it being torn down and completely gone through again? Not high.
Car will be absolutely stunning once completed.
:iagree: good to see the work going ahead again :yesnod: looking forward to seeing more progress pictures as & when :popcrn: :2thumbs:
"$ Going down the tube" I guess it's a normal thing these days. ::)
Get -R- done.
Allen, with paint materials being very expensive and the extent of your restoration, I think in the long run you'll have a better piece of mind to let the current body shop order all new paint and avoid a possible problem later. Paints, activators, hardeners, solvents, are all a science these days, it only takes a little contamination to ruin the whole job. If you read fine print on some hardeners, they are only good for 14 days after opening. this may have been what happened to me when I was restoring my Road Runner. I painted the interior, door jams, engine compartment, trunk area, and underbelly. Had to put the car in storage for about 18 months. When I went to pick it up, there were primed and painted areas peeling off in chunks. I had the whole car blasted down to bare metal again and started over. There was no way I would have chanced trying to blend in the bad areas.
That car is HOT AS HELL great work man. I almost bought a Charger 500 for $6400. This one was special, it WAS THE PROTOTYPE!!!!!!!!!!!!!! I'm really :flame: that I couldn't afford it.
Quote from: 426HemiCharger on February 18, 2009, 11:16:44 PM
That car is HOT AS HELL great work man. I almost bought a Charger 500 for $6400. This one was special, it WAS THE PROTOTYPE!!!!!!!!!!!!!! I'm really :flame: that I couldn't afford it.
I really hope you had some documentation for that as I do believe that's a known car - and certainly can't be had for anything close to that amount.
Troy
Especially at 15 years old. :o
The thing was in a barn and the guy claimed it was just a 1969 Charger 500. It was in 3 feet of grass and weeds and believe me it was B5 with a white interior, had 68 side markers and a set of delux wheel covers. :2thumbs:
Quote from: 426HemiCharger on February 19, 2009, 12:45:48 AM
The thing was in a barn and the guy claimed it was just a 1969 Charger 500. It was in 3 feet of grass and weeds and believe me it was B5 with a white interior, had 68 side markers and a set of delux wheel covers. :2thumbs:
OOHH! That must make this Daytona with '68 marker lights the long-lost Daytona prototype!
:insertsarcasm:
Quote from: 426HemiCharger on February 19, 2009, 12:45:48 AM
The thing was in a barn and the guy claimed it was just a 1969 Charger 500. It was in 3 feet of grass and weeds and believe me it was B5 with a white interior, had 68 side markers and a set of delux wheel covers. :2thumbs:
Just out of curiosity, how does 3 feet of grass and weeds grow inside a barn?
:scratchchin: :shruggy:
hemigeno, no more sarcasm please, click on this link http://www.1969chargerregistry.com/gallery/press/pr_photo_69_charger_500 and you'll see want I'm talking about. :icon_smile_angry:
It still around?
Im sure guys on here would gladly take it!
I HIGHLY doubt it was a 500
Quote from: 426HemiCharger on February 19, 2009, 04:47:49 PM
hemigeno, no more sarcasm please, click on this link http://www.1969chargerregistry.com/gallery/press/pr_photo_69_charger_500 and you'll see want I'm talking about. :icon_smile_angry:
that would be the jerry service car that is well known and would never have been forsale at such a low price
pictures of it here in 1980
http://www.dodgecharger.com/forum/index.php/topic,52395.160.html
Quote from: 426HemiCharger on February 19, 2009, 04:47:49 PM
hemigeno, no more sarcasm please, click on this link http://www.1969chargerregistry.com/gallery/press/pr_photo_69_charger_500 and you'll see want I'm talking about. :icon_smile_angry:
The Prototype was red if I'm not mistaken, R4 red, not B5..........
Quote from: moparstuart on February 19, 2009, 05:16:03 PM
Quote from: 426HemiCharger on February 19, 2009, 04:47:49 PM
hemigeno, no more sarcasm please, click on this link http://www.1969chargerregistry.com/gallery/press/pr_photo_69_charger_500 and you'll see want I'm talking about. :icon_smile_angry:
that would be the jerry service car that is well known and would never have been forsale at such a low price
pictures of it here in 1980
http://www.dodgecharger.com/forum/index.php/topic,52395.160.html
That's what I was hinting at. :2thumbs:
Troy
Quote from: 426HemiCharger on February 19, 2009, 04:47:49 PM
hemigeno, no more sarcasm please, click on this link http://www.1969chargerregistry.com/gallery/press/pr_photo_69_charger_500 and you'll see want I'm talking about.
Yes, I know the car and know exactly what it is. Thanks for the tip anyway though.
That particular car was originally RR1 burgundy, but has spent a lot of years wearing a red paintjob. It is a really neat car, but it was never B5 Blue, and NEVER recently for sale to a 15 year old kid at $6400. Jerry (the car's current owner since 1972) would probably get a kick out of hearing your "story" though...
:cheers:
Hey Gene, you forgot to add that the previous owner of the before Jerry bought it, is also available for comment. I can put ya in contact with him if ya wanted to chat, and I think that the $6,400 price might have been the asking price in the late 70's if someone was wanting to buy the car from Jerry then, but definitely not now. I believe the price it was purchased from Chrysler was somewhere around $3,200.
Side note, I don't know of any 500's that are B5 that are very early in the production run though. Seems all of the first ones are either R4 red, F8 green, or T5 bronze.
Maybe so but I'm just tell what I saw. Believe it or not it's your choice.
Trust me kid. If i saw a car like that for that price...id take out a loan immediately, even at your age id figure out a way to convince my rents.
Hey man I would have too but this was 4 yars ago. And i love may parents so I don't mooch of of them, I will be paying them back for every cent they spend on restoring my Charger
There A LOT of loose ends in this story. :Twocents:
Wrong forum for B.S. kid. These guys are brutal and they know about pretty much every wingcar out there.
I don't screw with them because I know better. :poke:
Quote from: 426HemiCharger on February 19, 2009, 08:52:52 PM
Maybe so but I'm just tell what I saw. Believe it or not it's your choice.
did you take the pictures to london drug :smilielol:
Personally I'm going to no believe it. Then again I have seen some other aero cars over the years that weren't supposed to be there either.
Could be the owner saw the prototype car and added the '68 style markers to his.
Quote from: 426HemiCharger on February 19, 2009, 11:28:34 PM
Hey man I would have too but this was 4 yars ago. And i love may parents so I don't mooch of of them, I will be paying them back for every cent they spend on restoring my Charger
so you were 11 at the time?
I don't want to be blunt but, FORGET MY AGE!!! I know more about Mopars then than you did when you were that age. :icon_smile_angry:.
If you want to argue with me about the Charger 500 prototype create a thread and don't steal this guy's thunder.
:popcrn:
Im done ::)
Allen, keep up the work...car looks like its coming along great!
Quote from: 426HemiCharger on February 20, 2009, 10:14:05 PM
I don't want to be blunt but, FORGET MY AGE!!! I know more about Mopars then than you did when you were that age. :icon_smile_angry:.
If you want to argue with me about the Charger 500 prototype create a thread and don't steal this guy's thunder.
CASE FOR TWO 68 CHARGER 500 PILOT/TEST CARS
« on: March 08, 2008, 06:33:42 PM »
Well there was supposed to be 2 68 charger 500 pilots cars .Is the the other one
http://www.dodgecharger.com/forum/index.php/topic,41072.0.html
:image_294343: Nut.
Quote from: 426HemiCharger on February 20, 2009, 10:14:05 PM
I don't want to be blunt but, FORGET MY AGE!!! I know more about Mopars then than you did when you were that age. :icon_smile_angry:.
If you want to argue with me about the Charger 500 prototype create a thread and don't steal this guy's thunder.
Uh oh... I'm thinking that you better read up on some of the people you're talking to before making those kinds of statements. I know for a fact that 69_500 and Pettybird were riding around in wing cars before they were in preschool (if not on the way home from the hospital). Many of these other guys owned these cars when they were new. You aren't the only kid to ever be interested in Mopars and everyone can learn a thing or two from others - if they take the opportunity to listen.
Troy
Back to the proper thread here, but hoping to see some more from Allens progress.
(side notes, yes there were others who were into the aero cars before even the age of 11. I remember very vividly learning how to read VIN's before starting kindergarden. I thought everyone had a yard full of wing cars when I was 5.)
Quote from: 69_500 on February 21, 2009, 04:52:02 PM
Back to the proper thread here, but hoping to see some more from Allens progress.
I have been offline for several weeks due to the illness and passing of my Mom. I have received new progress pictures from Greg, and will be resizing and posting some later today or in the next few days.
Allen
Quote from: xs29j8Bullitt on February 26, 2009, 10:14:51 AM
Quote from: 69_500 on February 21, 2009, 04:52:02 PM
Back to the proper thread here, but hoping to see some more from Allens progress.
I have been offline for several weeks due to the illness and passing of my Mom. I have received new progress pictures from Greg, and will be resizing and posting some later today or in the next few days.
Allen
very very sorry to here about your mom allen . Hope you are doing ok brother .
My condolences to you and your family.
Sorry for your loss Allen. Hang in there.
Sorry to hear that Allen :'(
Quote from: xs29j8Bullitt on February 26, 2009, 10:14:51 AM
Quote from: 69_500 on February 21, 2009, 04:52:02 PM
Back to the proper thread here, but hoping to see some more from Allens progress.
I have been offline for several weeks due to the illness and passing of my Mom. I have received new progress pictures from Greg, and will be resizing and posting some later today or in the next few days.
Allen
oh crikey sorry to hear about your mum ......not easy loosing parents, as they are there since you can remember , well your whole life , & suddenly they are not ..... its a sad loss ..we have all got to go through it some day , :angel:
Quote from: tan top on February 26, 2009, 12:56:34 PM
Quote from: xs29j8Bullitt on February 26, 2009, 10:14:51 AM
Quote from: 69_500 on February 21, 2009, 04:52:02 PM
Back to the proper thread here, but hoping to see some more from Allens progress.
I have been offline for several weeks due to the illness and passing of my Mom. I have received new progress pictures from Greg, and will be resizing and posting some later today or in the next few days.
Allen
oh crikey sorry to hear about your mum ......not easy loosing parents, as they are there since you can remember , well your whole life , & suddenly they are not ..... its a sad loss ..we have all got to go through it some day , :angel:
Very true, and she was blessed with 86 years of life. She was a great Mother and a wonderful person and will be missed by many. Thanks for your condolences guys...
My Mom tolerated my Mopar excesses very well. In the early 1980s when I had four of my cars parked at her house, she was constantly having guys knock on her door offering to relieve her of that burden. When they offered to buy that "old Dodge", she would send them packing by saying "Oh, you mean that rare Triple Black 1968 Hemi Charger R/T... IT'S NOT FOR SALE!".
Here are some recent pictures from Greg...
Allen
More pictures from Greg...
Last two pictures... as mentioned in earlier posts, much of what the first body shop did is having to be redone because this is not a $600 repair of a Kia... here are the doors being reworked.
Allen
looking real good :2thumbs: :2thumbs: :2thumbs: :2thumbs: :2thumbs: :drool5: :drool5: :drool5:
Allen, I'm very sorry to hear about your Mom.
It does look like the car resto is picking up some steam though, which is a good thing. Hopefully things will get even better for you real soon.
good pictures ...making some progress now :yesnod: thanks for sharing :2thumbs:
Sorry to here about your mom Allen, sounded like a true MOPAR Mom too! Glad your resto is finally on the upswing. Hope your 500 now has a true MOPAR shop to fix her up!
Steve
Quote from: xs29j8Bullitt on February 26, 2009, 10:14:51 AM
Quote from: 69_500 on February 21, 2009, 04:52:02 PM
Back to the proper thread here, but hoping to see some more from Allens progress.
I have been offline for several weeks due to the illness and passing of my Mom. I have received new progress pictures from Greg, and will be resizing and posting some later today or in the next few days.
Allen
Hey Allen...
Sorry to hear about your Mom....... Angels have taken her.............. :engel016:
I see you're making some major progress on the C500, she's looking good............... :2thumbs:
Cheers,
Troy
Hi Allen, very sorry to hear about your Mom. Our thoughts and prayers go out to you and your family.
Take care.
The 500 looks like she's coming along pretty good now. I'm really looking forward to seeing her in my garage soon. Oh sorry did I say that out loud (Actually in print), I meant that I can't wait to see it. Any way I'm glad things are moving forward on the 500 now, she's looking good.
Steve
Sorry to hear about your mother Allen.
Sorry to hear about your mother passing Allen.
On the other side of things, the progress on the 500 looks great. How much body work had to be redone? Just curious.
Sorry to hear about your loss.
My condolences to the family.
Very sorry to hear about your mom Allen, hang in there. Prayers.
Brent
Quote from: 69_500 on February 26, 2009, 08:50:48 PM
Sorry to hear about your mother passing Allen.
On the other side of things, the progress on the 500 looks great. How much body work had to be redone? Just curious.
Thanks again to everyone for keeping my Mom in your thoughts and prayers.
Danny, it is hard to say what percentage had to be redone, it depends if you count dis-assembly & cleaning as "bodywork". If so, then 50% might be a good guess because most of the dis-assembly was done fairly well. The record on repair & assembly is not nearly as good, with many problems found... some small and some large so 70% might be about the amount that needed to be redone. Also, remember that a lot of the labor charges were never explained to me as to what exactly was done during that time... the bodyshop owner only explaining that "thats just how much time was spent working on the car".
Working with Greg (owner of the new bodyshop) has been COMPLETELY different, he has been absolutely great to work with!!! Below are new pictures that I received from Greg yesterday showing the application of the Rust Bullet barrier and seal sealer on the interior floorboards.
Allen
Allen,
Sorry to hear about you're Mom. :angel: I'm sure she was an angel like most Moms!
But Wow! It looks like you're Charger 500 Is definitely in MUCH more capable hand now!.......That's gotta be a huge relief?
Best of luck to ya!
Dang Allen !!!! She IS looking great.. It'll be nice to have another C500 to park with at some of the Texas shows, albeit, you WILL definitely steal all the thunder. :2thumbs:
Just wondering here Allen, but do you think that any of the problems that you had earlier with the fitment of some of the sheetmetal was actually due to the shop that was doing the work?
Quote from: 69_500 on February 27, 2009, 04:56:16 PM
Just wondering here Allen, but do you think that any of the problems that you had earlier with the fitment of some of the sheetmetal was actually due to the shop that was doing the work?
No, the fitment of the wheelhouse was due to the incorrect repro part sold by Goodmark Industries. The problem has been known of and documented for several years, but Goodmark continues to sell the junk. The bodyshop owner assured me that he had thoroughly compared the repro wheelhouse before starting to remove the original, so the extra labor cost & use of another dedicated part was due to his incompetence...
Allen
Thanks for clarifying. I was beginning to wonder if it was possibly just due to lack of ability on the previous shop, or if it was something legitimate in a problem with the actual repro panels.
Hi Allen,
I haven't been on in a while, I'm very sorry to hear about your Mom passing. On a more positive note I'm glad the move to the new shop has gone well. Your car is looking great and it seems to be getting the quality work it deserves. Best of luck to you.
Brian
Allen,
Been a while since I've been on here and I'm extremely sorry to hear about your mother - in the time that I've been away, my grandmother (Georgie Vasut) also passed away - she developed ovarian cancer towards the end of last year and it ramped up to stage 4 status quickly and swiftly took her life - it was a blessing however that she did pass so quickly because she was definitely starting to suffer... like your mother, I'm sure, she'll definitely be missed...
Sorry to bring the mood down even further - on a positive note, it looks like BOTH of our projects are picking up steam and look to be headed in the right direction - keep up the good work...
BZ
Hi Allen, we are sorry to hear about your Mom. Tua, Kaitlyn and I hope you are doing well. I hope you inherited her longevity. I do not expect to make it that long. I like the way the new shop is proceeding on the Charger (getting the rust removed and primered right away). Hope you get that blue GTX; I have not seen that car or the house in the background since the 80s. It brings back memories; I think I can remember that day.
Bob
Quote from: brianz426 on March 08, 2009, 04:49:55 PM
Hi Allen,
I haven't been on in a while, I'm very sorry to hear about your Mom passing. On a more positive note I'm glad the move to the new shop has gone well. Your car is looking great and it seems to be getting the quality work it deserves. Best of luck to you.
Brian
Thanks Brian, glad you still stop by...
Allen
Quote from: bzabodyn on March 09, 2009, 10:45:11 PM
Allen,
Been a while since I've been on here and I'm extremely sorry to hear about your mother - in the time that I've been away, my grandmother (Georgie Vasut) also passed away - she developed ovarian cancer towards the end of last year and it ramped up to stage 4 status quickly and swiftly took her life - it was a blessing however that she did pass so quickly because she was definitely starting to suffer... like your mother, I'm sure, she'll definitely be missed...
Sorry to bring the mood down even further - on a positive note, it looks like BOTH of our projects are picking up steam and look to be headed in the right direction - keep up the good work...
BZ
Thanks Brandon, and sorry to hear about your Grandmother. We are losing the few remaining people from "the greatest generation" at a rapid rate.
Glad to hear things are also going well at your new shop. A friend of mine was at the shop in January and saw your car in work.
Allen
Quote from: Rob1426 on March 13, 2009, 07:54:23 PM
Hi Allen, we are sorry to hear about your Mom. Tua, Kaitlyn and I hope you are doing well. I hope you inherited her longevity. I do not expect to make it that long. I like the way the new shop is proceeding on the Charger (getting the rust removed and primered right away). Hope you get that blue GTX; I have not seen that car or the house in the background since the 80s. It brings back memories; I think I can remember that day.
Bob
Thanks Bob, I hope that I make it to at least 86 as well... even if I do, I still have too many projects to finish! A 1969-1970 Plymouth B-Body convertible is still on my wish list though, and I would try to get the GTX if it is ever sold...
Greg at the new body shop has been great to work with. I need to send him some parts like the wheel opening mouldings to get hole patterns from prior to final blocking & painting of the C500.
That was quite a trip we took back in 1982 to the CCCC national meet in St Louis. I need to scan the hundreds of pictures from the trip and post them online, but do not have the time now...
BTW, have you heard... see picture below...
Allen
Hey Allen,
Do you have a ceiling fan in your garage? Or is that something else hanging from the ceiling?
Quote from: 69_500 on March 13, 2009, 09:13:00 PM
Hey Allen,
Do you have a ceiling fan in your garage? Or is that something else hanging from the ceiling?
Its a ceiling fan which was in the garage when I bought the house. I damaged a blade on it several years ago when I carried something into it while it was running... still on my "to do" list to fix. :P
BTW, have you spotted the Boss Mustang spoiler yet... D0ZB 6344226 ... ? :icon_smile_big:
Is it the one laying on the ground in front of the Cuda?
Quote from: 69_500 on March 13, 2009, 09:29:52 PM
Is it the one laying on the ground in front of the Cuda?
Yep :yesnod: ...Coming to Craigslist first, then eBay if necessary. The first of many items being sold to offset restoration costs and pay the bank off for the new toy...
I hear that those can be pretty pricey. Around $800+ right?
I can save you some money by just letting me buy that Daytona off of your hands and that would offset some more of the price right?
Quote from: 69_500 on March 13, 2009, 09:38:52 PM
I hear that those can be pretty pricey. Around $800+ right?
I have seen them go about that high several years ago, but with the depressed market and repros available for less than $200, I will price it at $375 to get it sold.
Quote from: 69_500 on March 13, 2009, 09:38:52 PM
I can save you some money by just letting me buy that Daytona off of your hands and that would offset some more of the price right?
What took you so long to suggest that... :icon_smile_wink: :lol:
I want a Daytona soooooooo bad that it will probably go only as part of a multiple car trade to get a turn-key Daytona. Or, be sold AFTER another Daytona is bought...
But we all know how easy car trades are to set up... :eek2:
Quote from: xs29j8Bullitt on March 13, 2009, 09:51:38 PM
But we all know how easy car trades are to set up... :eek2:
Boy, do I know or what.... Came across a Hemi Daytona this weekend, but it's way out of my league... Allen, sell a bunch of stuff and you might get it. :)
Any updates! :popcrn:
Allen
Sending heartfelt sympathy to you on the loss of your mother.
Glad that the 500 is going well for you now and congrats on the new addition
Sherri
Quote from: b5blue on March 23, 2009, 06:27:47 PM
Any updates! :popcrn:
Not really... I have been tied up with personal business. I owe Greg some dimensions & pictures, and also parts like the wheel opening moldings for pre-paint hole pattens. To top off matters, I re-injured my back late last week... just got back from the doctor. I am scheduled for a series of back shots next week, if they don't work then back surgery may be the only option... :eek2:
I did get a few small items ordered and drop shipped to Greg last week, but need to get the information and pictures to him.
Thanks for checking in!...
Allen
Quote from: Mopurr on March 23, 2009, 07:12:33 PM
Allen
Sending heartfelt sympathy to you on the loss of your mother.
Glad that the 500 is going well for you now and congrats on the new addition
Sherri
Thanks Sherri... its nice to have at least one car that does not need restoration... AND is under warranty! :lol:
Allen
Ohhhh I see a pretty orange car.
Congrats. Sorry about your mother Ans your back.
Keep up the good work
Q
Quote from: 66chargerkid on March 25, 2009, 08:27:17 AM
Ohhhh I see a pretty orange car.
Congrats. Sorry about your mother Ans your back.
Keep up the good work
Q
Thanks Quintin, the color of the shiney new toy is "Torred", Red with a dash of orange in it. In some lighting (like the picture above), the orange comes out strong. The nearest old school color is 1969 R4 Performace Red.
I believe my back is SLOWLY getting better... I don't think my screams are keeping the neighbors awake anymore.
Allen
Quote from: xs29j8Bullitt on March 25, 2009, 05:10:34 PM
Quote from: 66chargerkid on March 25, 2009, 08:27:17 AM
Ohhhh I see a pretty orange car.
Congrats. Sorry about your mother Ans your back.
Keep up the good work
Q
Thanks Quintin, the color of the shiney new toy is "Torred", Red with a dash of orange in it. In some lighting (like the picture above), the orange comes out strong. The nearest old school color is 1969 R4 Performace Red.
I believe my back is SLOWLY getting better... I don't think my screams are keeping the neighbors awake anymore.
Allen
quintin should know the color wellmy 69 rr High school car in grandma's garage is the same R4 and so is my 500
Looks like I've missed quite a bit on this thread...
I'm very sorry to hear about your Mom, your family will be in my prayers.
I'm excited to see more progress on this car!
Quote from: moparstuart on March 25, 2009, 10:20:20 PM
quintin should know the color wellmy 69 rr High school car in grandma's garage is the same R4 and so is my 500
R4 is one of my favorite colors, but my Daytona is my only R4 Mopar... though Danny has offered to double my R4 count... watch him chime in... ;)
Quote from: Fitz73Chrgr on March 26, 2009, 08:57:57 AM
Looks like I've missed quite a bit on this thread...
I'm very sorry to hear about your Mom, your family will be in my prayers.
I'm excited to see more progress on this car!
Thanks Patrick, glad you checked back in! Hopefully I will get the information & parts to Greg soon so the C500 will B B5 B4 too long... :icon_smile_big:
Quote from: xs29j8Bullitt on March 26, 2009, 04:30:28 PM
Quote from: moparstuart on March 25, 2009, 10:20:20 PM
quintin should know the color wellmy 69 rr High school car in grandma's garage is the same R4 and so is my 500
R4 is one of my favorite colors, but my Daytona is my only R4 Mopar... though Danny has offered to double my R4 count... watch him chime in... ;)
i'll trade you my 2 R4 cars for tona or bird ? LOL
Oh so you want a R4 red 500 do you allen? I'll swap you even up.
Hey Allen, after reading your comment in Gene's thread, lets not forget that your own restoration thread is nearing in on the 1,000 replies mark as well.
Quote from: 69_500 on March 27, 2009, 05:19:18 PM
Hey Allen, after reading your comment in Gene's thread, lets not forget that your own restoration thread is nearing in on the 1,000 replies mark as well.
___ //
Yep... 200 replies ago I had a decent lead... darn pointed nose & tall spoiler! :lol: <<==/###\=//
I except you will get the 1,000 th reply, you had the 500 th but kindly deleted so I could take it... :cheers:
Go for the 1,000 th when the time comes. :yesnod:
I just read Greg's latest email, work on the C500 will resume next Tuesday after the delay caused by my personal business that I had to attend to... This weekend I need to provide some pictures & information to Greg to support the restart of work.
Greg expects to have the rear window plug re-installed in the next two weeks or so... :cheers: Expect new pictures in the next 1-2 weeks...
Allen
Ever nail down a "name"? How about C5Blue?
Hey Allen, you didn't answer about the trade? JK
I'll let someone else get the 1,000th as well. What small odds and ends parts are you still looking for Allen? I'll keep an eye out/and or ask some people around here that have some nice stashes of parts if you want. Just would have to know what your still looking for though.
Your thread is looking great Allen, can't wait for the detailed reassembly pictures..........
Steve
Quote from: b5blue on March 27, 2009, 06:43:31 PM
Ever nail down a "name"? How about C5Blue?
The final choice was Blue Thunder. I considered many names and for a while leaned to AeroBlue, but thought that many would think it was Arrow Blue, Blue Arrow, or some other mis-interpretation... I did consider C5Blue, but a mental image of a bright blue Lockeed C5 transport plane ended that as well as B5C5 & C5B5...
Allen
Quote from: 69_500 on March 28, 2009, 08:15:33 AM
Hey Allen, you didn't answer about the trade? JK
I'll let someone else get the 1,000th as well. What small odds and ends parts are you still looking for Allen? I'll keep an eye out/and or ask some people around here that have some nice stashes of parts if you want. Just would have to know what your still looking for though.
You should have pursued the trade when I was being eaten alive by that jackal at the first body shop...
I need to get started on a needs list... I know there will be some parts needed, especially in the engine bay that was vacant when I bought the car. I will post a list and update it when I get a chance... Thanks!
At the moment I need some information... check out my new thread:
http://www.dodgecharger.com/forum/index.php/topic,55329.0.html
Allen
Quote from: XS29J8 on March 28, 2009, 10:20:30 AM
Your thread is looking great Allen, can't wait for the detailed reassembly pictures..........
Steve
Thanks Steve, I may be farming out a lot of the reassembly work... we'll see
Allen
Great choice for a name! Being that b5blue is my favorite color of all time, the thought of a b5blue C5-A Galaxy put a smile on my face :o Good luck to you and I hope your back heals well. I read this thread straight through one night...I found myself rooting for you page after page and it was 3 or 4 AM by the time I got to page 48! :2thumbs:
Quote from: b5blue on March 29, 2009, 06:10:14 PM
Great choice for a name! Being that b5blue is my favorite color of all time, the thought of a b5blue C5-A Galaxy put a smile on my face :o Good luck to you and I hope your back heals well. I read this thread straight through one night...I found myself rooting for you page after page and it was 3 or 4 AM by the time I got to page 48! :2thumbs:
Thanks, Blue Thunder was actually my first thought... after several other diversions I ended back where I started. As I said earlier, AeroBlue came very close to being the pick...
A very good friend is also a B5 fanatic... aka "B5Dale". Almost all his vehicles are B5... or "near B5" blue, including a 1969 340 Barracuda, 1970 Hemi Challenger R/T, 1971 340 Demon, 199? Cadillac Allante, 200? Acura NSX, & 2006 Viper. B5 is very near the top of my list too, but Triple Black on an old Mopar is my top combo...
WOW, reading the thread straight through! :o Its been quite a trip so far... "a long saga" indeed. The new body shop in Arkansas has been great to work with, so I think this will have a happy ending... stay tuned! ;)
Allen
I'm pulling for ya! :2thumbs:
I love happy endings... :yesnod: :scratchchin:
Hang in there Allen I'm pulling for you also. :2thumbs:
Any updates? :popcrn:
How's Blue Thunder doing...we wanna know! :2thumbs:
Quote from: 69bronzeT5 on May 18, 2009, 12:38:20 AM
Any updates? :popcrn:
Not really... a temporary change in priorities at the bodyshop which was fully explained to me has the C500 on hold. As I told Greg when he called to discuss the hold, a delay is not a problem for me... I have my hands full with other projects and ongoing health issues including injuries from a recent fall at work.
It might be several months before significant new progress is made on the C500...
Allen
Hope you get better after that fall Allen :cheers:
Hope you heal well Allen!
Allen.. Hope you feel better soon...............
Troy
take care of your self allen , heal up buddy
Take care of yourself Allen, your health should come first. I hope all goes well for you.
Brian
hope your feeling better soon
Thanks for the get-well wishes guys! I am doing better now, but still have a ways to go...
Time for an update... the bodyshop has relocated, and work is beginning again on the C500. :cheers: I expect to start receiving new pictures in the next few weeks.
Also, today I spoke with Frank P. who I believe to be the second owner of the Charger 500. Frank lived in Aurora, Missouri at the time and bought the C500 in about 1971 with about 18,000 miles on it from a Chrysler-Plymouth or Dodge dealer in Monett, Missouri. By that time, the original 440 HP was apparently gone, replaced by a non-HP 440. Frank said he raced the C500 a LOT with a variety of 440s and 383s in it over the years that he owned it. He later sold the C500 to his brother Jerry P. whose name was on the Missouri title that I received when I purchased the car.
In 1982, Jerry sold the C500 to David B. in the Fort Worth area who re-sold it a few days later to Phil F. who kept it a few years. Phil then sold the C500 to Les A. who kept it only a short time before selling the car to me in 1986...
Frank will look for any pictures of the C500 that he might have, but most were destroyed in a house fire years ago... He will ask Jerry to look for pictures & documents as well.
Well, thats all for now...
Allen
beeen wondering whats been happening Allen :yesnod: , thats great stuff you have found out a lot of the history on you C500 , looking forward seeing any pictures from back in the day & info , !! :coolgleamA: :popcrn: :2thumbs:
Quote from: xs29j8Bullitt on September 04, 2009, 07:07:35 PM
Thanks for the get-well wishes guys! I am doing better now, but still have a ways to go...
Time for an update... the bodyshop has relocated, and work is beginning again on the C500. :cheers: I expect to start receiving new pictures in the next few weeks.
Also, today I spoke with Frank P. who I believe to be the second owner of the Charger 500. Frank lived in Aurora, Missouri at the time and bought the C500 in about 1971 with about 18,000 miles on it from a Chrysler-Plymouth or Dodge dealer in Monett, Missouri. By that time, the original 440 HP was apparently gone, replaced by a non-HP 440. Frank said he raced the C500 a LOT with a variety of 440s and 383s in it over the years that he owned it. He later sold the C500 to his brother Jerry P. whose name was on the Missouri title that I received when I purchased the car.
In 1982, Jerry sold the C500 to David B. in the Fort Worth area who re-sold it a few days later to Phil F. who kept it a few years. Phil then sold the C500 to Les A. who kept it only a short time before selling the car to me in 1986...
Frank will look for any pictures of the C500 that he might have, but most were destroyed in a house fire years ago... He will ask Jerry to look for pictures & documents as well.
Well, thats all for now...
Allen
great detective work allen :2thumbs: :2thumbs: :2thumbs: :2thumbs:
Quote from: moparstuart on September 05, 2009, 07:16:57 AM
Quote from: xs29j8Bullitt on September 04, 2009, 07:07:35 PM
Thanks for the get-well wishes guys! I am doing better now, but still have a ways to go...
Time for an update... the bodyshop has relocated, and work is beginning again on the C500. :cheers: I expect to start receiving new pictures in the next few weeks.
Also, today I spoke with Frank P. who I believe to be the second owner of the Charger 500. Frank lived in Aurora, Missouri at the time and bought the C500 in about 1971 with about 18,000 miles on it from a Chrysler-Plymouth or Dodge dealer in Monett, Missouri. By that time, the original 440 HP was apparently gone, replaced by a non-HP 440. Frank said he raced the C500 a LOT with a variety of 440s and 383s in it over the years that he owned it. He later sold the C500 to his brother Jerry P. whose name was on the Missouri title that I received when I purchased the car.
In 1982, Jerry sold the C500 to David B. in the Fort Worth area who re-sold it a few days later to Phil F. who kept it a few years. Phil then sold the C500 to Les A. who kept it only a short time before selling the car to me in 1986...
Frank will look for any pictures of the C500 that he might have, but most were destroyed in a house fire years ago... He will ask Jerry to look for pictures & documents as well.
Well, thats all for now...
Allen
great detective work allen :2thumbs: :2thumbs: :2thumbs: :2thumbs:
amazing...and all at the same AA meeting, too! :lol:
Well, a little update, but no new pictures yet... might have some soon. Greg called a few days ago and confirmed the C500 is in work again, and said he would try to take new pictures this weekend. From our discussion, I am hopefull that Blue Thunder might be B5 again in 2-3 months...
Also, I took advantage of the DC.Com group buy discount from Speciality Wheel, Ltd and ordered a set of their W23 style Warrior wheels (repro of the "recall wheels"). The discount was about 25%, with the full set with center caps, lug nuts, and trim rings costing me $1575 plus shipping. I believe these wheels will look great on my B5 Blue Charger 500...
Here is a link on the group buy:
http://www.dodgecharger.com/forum/index.php/topic,62474.0.html
QuoteAlso, I took advantage of the DC.Com group buy discount from Speciality Wheel, Ltd and ordered a set of their W23 style Warrior wheels (repro of the "recall wheels"). The discount was about 25%, with the full set with center caps, lug nuts, and trim rings costing me $1575 plus shipping. I believe these wheels will look great on my B5 Blue Charger 500...
:2thumbs:
Those will look awesome!
QuoteQuote from: hemigeno on October 16, 2009, 10:00:11 AM
Also, I took advantage of the DC.Com group buy discount from Speciality Wheel, Ltd and ordered a set of their W23 style Warrior wheels (repro of the "recall wheels"). The discount was about 25%, with the full set with center caps, lug nuts, and trim rings costing me $1575 plus shipping. I believe these wheels will look great on my B5 Blue Charger 500...
:2thumbs:
Those will look awesome!
:yesnod: :yesnod: :yesnod: :yesnod: :yesnod: :yesnod: :yesnod: :drool5: :drool5: :drool5:
Quote from: xs29j8Bullitt on October 16, 2009, 09:24:38 AM
Well, a little update, but no new pictures yet... might have some soon. Greg called a few days ago and confirmed the C500 is in work again, and said he would try to take new pictures this weekend. From our discussion, I am hopefull that Blue Thunder might be B5 again in 2-3 months...
Also, I took advantage of the DC.Com group buy discount from Speciality Wheel, Ltd and ordered a set of their W23 style Warrior wheels (repro of the "recall wheels"). The discount was about 25%, with the full set with center caps, lug nuts, and trim rings costing me $1575 plus shipping. I believe these wheels will look great on my B5 Blue Charger 500...
Here is a link on the group buy:
http://www.dodgecharger.com/forum/index.php/topic,62474.0.html
Allen,
Those wheels will look great on your B5 500......What tires are you planning on?
Man that's spot on with red stripes too!!! :2thumbs:
Quote from: 1HotDaytona on October 16, 2009, 11:06:12 AM
Allen,
Those wheels will look great on your B5 500......What tires are you planning on?
I am hoping to use redlines if they will properly fit the 7 inch width (15x7) I ordered... Thanks for the picture Brian! :drool5: :drool5: :drool5: Otherwise blackwall performance radials I suppose... I haven't given it a lot of thought tho.
They'll look great on it! :drool5:
1000 replies to this thread... :cheers:
and to a 1000 more...... :cheers: .. of course, with a lot of resto. pics...... :2thumbs:
:drool5: :drool5: :drool5: :drool5: :drool5: :drool5: :drool5: :drool5: here is one in recalls and red lines
untill I can afford recalls i'm going with these wheel covers . kind of a cheaper recall look
Quote from: moparstuart on October 16, 2009, 04:43:28 PM
untill I can afford recalls i'm going with these wheel covers . kind of a cheaper recall look
Cool. I got a set like those too.
Quote from: moparstuart on October 16, 2009, 04:43:28 PM
untill I can afford recalls i'm going with these wheel covers . kind of a cheaper recall look
I personally really like those caps. :2thumbs:
Quote from: 1HotDaytona on October 16, 2009, 05:14:26 PM
Quote from: moparstuart on October 16, 2009, 04:43:28 PM
untill I can afford recalls i'm going with these wheel covers . kind of a cheaper recall look
I personally really like those caps. :2thumbs:
:iagree:
Jason
I am looking forward to the pictures!
Quote from: mopar_nut_440_6 on October 16, 2009, 06:35:51 PM
I am looking forward to the pictures!
Greg just called again... he will send pictures in the next day or two. I will post them as time permits...
The final push on getting the C500 in paint is accelerating, might happen by Thankgiving! I will soon be asking for everyone's help in making sure the C500 is ready for color. Specifically, I want to do an "inventory" prior to base coat application of the various permanently attached brackets, clips, straps, etc. inside the trunk, passenger compartment, engine bay, and bottom side of the body.
The original body shop was supposed to carefully document all of the attachments, but... :flame: :brickwall: So look carefully at the pictures that I post... AND post reference pictures if you have 'em. Thanks!!!
Allen
Three new pictures received today, plus one enlargement... :D :cheers:
More pictures expected in a few days...
Allen
PS - As Stuart would say: :drool5: :drool5: :drool5: :drool5: :drool5: :drool5: :drool5: :dance: :dance: :dance: :drive:
This is good news!! I'm digging the rims you picked out! Hope you back is doing OK! :2thumbs:
Quote from: b5blue on October 20, 2009, 08:03:24 PM
This is good news!! I'm digging the rims you picked out! Hope you back is doing OK! :2thumbs:
Thanks Neal, I believe that the wheels will set off the B5 color well... blue/silver combo
I received more pictures this morning, and I will try to get time to post some this evening...
Allen
Exactly! :cheers:
Quote from: xs29j8Bullitt on October 20, 2009, 06:19:31 PM
Three new pictures received today, plus one enlargement... :D :cheers:
More pictures expected in a few days...
Allen
PS - As Stuart would say: :drool5: :drool5: :drool5: :drool5: :drool5: :drool5: :drool5: :dance: :dance: :dance: :drive:
happy happy joy joy :dance: :dance: :dance: :dance: :dance: :dance: :dance: :dance: :dance: :dance: :notworthy:
Four more pictures for tonight... The only major remaining body work is to spot weld & lead the rear window plug back in.
By this weekend I will begin my "inventory" posts... permanent brackets & retainers, holes, etc. The idea will be to find missing welded on parts or missing or extra holes... for correction prior to painting. I am collecting & resizing pictures for those posts, and it is going to take a while.
Allen
Wow! Have you started anything on the sub assembly stuff like steering, brake, axle and such? I remember reading you were planning on "sending it out" for restoration.
Quote from: b5blue on October 21, 2009, 07:16:19 PM
Wow! Have you started anything on the sub assembly stuff like steering, brake, axle and such? I remember reading you were planning on "sending it out" for restoration.
Not really... the first body shop, Brown Mound Ulteriormotive (not their real name, but it fits), bled money from me at an astounding rate... so little was left for other planned purchases. I did buy a lot of repro items from BEA (thanks Mike!) for the C500... still have more to buy.
Since the move to Greg's shop, health issues and other personal items have kept me from sending anything out for refurbishment... My plans have had to change, so I have talked to someone about doing the assembly on the car. If everything works out, I will be loading up all the loose parts to take to him in the next few months...
Allen
Good Luck Allen! :2thumbs:
Allen Allen Allen........ She is looking straight as an arrow..... :2thumbs:
Quote from: hemi68charger on October 22, 2009, 08:56:22 AM
Allen Allen Allen........ She is looking straight as an arrow..... :2thumbs:
True Dat... :yesnod: Thanks to Greg!!! :cheers:
LOOKING GREAT BUDDY. kEEP THEM PICTURES COMING. :cheers:
Cody
looking good :coolgleamA: keep the pictures coming , love looking at stuff like this :2thumbs:
Looks good :2thumbs:
Keep it up Allen. She's looking real good coming along nicely. :2thumbs: Glad to hear things are going better. Get her put together I'm ready for a ride. :boogie:
Quote from: Magnumcharger on February 08, 2008, 06:07:27 PM
Sorry to hear about your wheelhouse woes.
I see time has done nothing to improve the quality of the Goodmark product.
Several years ago, I faced a similar circumstance. I restored a friend's 1970 Roadrunner convertible. There were hardtop wheelhouses on the market, but none for convertibles. So I modified a pair of hardtop parts for the 'vert. Not too bad. The quarters fit the contours of the wheelhouse perfectly. I was satisfied.
Two years later, I bought quarters and wheelhouses for my Charger.Thus began the exercise into frustration and futility!
The wheelhouse had a flange at the top, with a fairly accurate locating hole for reference. OK.
After I installed the left wheelhouse, I found that it was 1/2-1 inch wider at the rocker panel than stock. In fact, the quarter panel at the rocker seam actually projected out and away from the rocker flange. I was forced to "pie-cut" the wheelhouse to pull it in. Then, after all that....the contour of the wheelhouse opening wouldn't fit the wheel opening on the quarter panel! The factory chrome trim fit the wheel opening perfectly, so obviously the problem was with the wheelhouse.
Many hours of labour, cutting, bending, welding...and I made it fit.
Not long afterwards, I read a similar story in a Mopar magazine.
Even now, years later, I'm still torqued about it. So much so, I may cut those quarters off just to remove those wheelhouses, and replace them with a better set!
I'd hoped for your sake that issues in build quality with those wheelhouses would be resolved by now.
Obviously, they're not.
i've ran into that same problem many many times.
Quote from: xs29j8Bullitt on February 09, 2008, 01:26:54 PM
Quote from: FJMG on February 08, 2008, 11:00:22 PM
Besides magnumchargers story, The website 69hemi.com also shows the difficulty of the mopar repro sheetmetal. It is very frustrating when my buddy buys his cheap chevy parts and they fit like a glove whereas our expensive mopar "authentic" stuff requires 30 hrs of body shop modifications to make them fit! Like magnum I thought that these oversights were ironed out by now, obviously not!
Thanks for the tip about the outer wheel house problem documented on 69Hemi.Com... it the exact same #$%@#! crap! It is starting to look like the currently available outer wheel housings are all from the same tooling, and probably based on Coronet parts which are apparently different.
I am going to find out the truth about these "authentic reproductions"... this isn't close to being over!
Pictures below are from http://www.69hemi.com (http://www.69hemi.com) (in the "sheetmetal" section):
Allen
Yes, that article is all true, but it seems like they dont even fit the Coronets to good either. If you look in the Sherman Catalog you'll see they use the same part # on those wheel wells for all B-Body's, A one size fits all Garbage. LEON.
Long thread, just read it now. I dont usually look in the Aero Section. Good luck on your Progress :2thumbs: LEON.
Quote from: charger_cody on October 22, 2009, 09:39:10 AM
LOOKING GREAT BUDDY. kEEP THEM PICTURES COMING. :cheers:
Cody
Quote from: tan top on October 22, 2009, 10:35:40 AM
looking good :coolgleamA: keep the pictures coming , love looking at stuff like this :2thumbs:
Quote from: Charger440RDN on October 22, 2009, 01:15:26 PM
Looks good :2thumbs:
Thanks guys... glad to have y'all following the thread!
Allen
Quote from: hemi-hampton on October 22, 2009, 09:44:07 PM
i've ran into that same problem many many times.
Quote from: hemi-hampton on October 22, 2009, 09:55:17 PM
Yes, that article is all true, but it seems like they dont even fit the Coronets to good either. If you look in the Sherman Catalog you'll see they use the same part # on those wheel wells for all B-Body's, A one size fits all Garbage. LEON.
I will
NEVER buy anything from Goodmark or the other bottom-feeder vendors again... :flame: :flame: :flame:
It is great to finally have excellent quality repro parts from vendors like B/E&A, AMD, & CBD... :cheers: :cheers: :cheers:
Quote from: Davtona on October 22, 2009, 08:45:39 PM
Keep it up Allen. She's looking real good coming along nicely. :2thumbs: Glad to hear things are going better. Get her put together I'm ready for a ride. :boogie:
Thanks Dave... Since you recently re-qualified at Geno's Hemi 4 Speed Clinic, you can drive Blue Thunder! :drive: :icon_smile_big:
Quote from: hemi-hampton on October 22, 2009, 11:36:52 PM
Long thread, just read it now. I dont usually look in the Aero Section. Good luck on your Progress :2thumbs: LEON.
Welcome to the thread Leon! :cheers:
From the time stamps of your postings, that's about two hours of your life you'll never get back... sorry for the length... :P
Check back in a few days, your input on my pre-paint inventories/checklist would be appreciated!
Allen
Hi Allen,
Glad to here things have turned around for you. Your car is looking great and you've made a lot of progress, I'm looking forward to more pictures. Also thanks for posting the link to the group buy on the recall wheels. I'll be ordering a set for my Road Runner.
Brian
Quote from: brianz426 on October 23, 2009, 09:28:06 PM
Hi Allen,
Glad to here things have turned around for you. Your car is looking great and you've made a lot of progress, I'm looking forward to more pictures. Also thanks for posting the link to the group buy on the recall wheels. I'll be ordering a set for my Road Runner.
Brian
Thanks Brian, I am a bit surprised in the interest in the forum for the recall wheels... $1500/$1575 is a good deal IMO!
Allen
It is taking me longer than I expected to find , resize, and label the "inventory" pictures. The task may take me another week or so to complete. My electrician and another friend came over yesterday to do more wiring and shelving in my "new" shop annex, so good progress was made! :cheers:
Today I will post pictures of the areas of my main concern for missing brackets and wiring retainer straps. All of these should be common to any 1969 Charger, so please have a look in yours if you have one where these areas are accessable. This area is the taillight panel and trunk area... I am only listing items that are likely to have been removed during the extensive body work in the area. The pictures are from the C500 disassembly and my Y2 Charger R/T project car...
TAILLIGHT PANEL & TRUNK AREA:
TB1,TB2,TB3 - Exterior taillight panel three prong wiring retainers
TB4,TB5,TB6,TB7 - Interior taillight panel single tab wiring retaining straps
TB8 - Aft bumper jack mount
TB9,TB11,TB12 - Dual tab wiring retaining straps in wiring channel formed into trunk floor extension
TB10 - Bumper spring mounting bracket
TB13,TB14,TB18 - Single tab wiring retaining straps along wheel housing
TB15,TB16,TB17 - Spare tire mounting brackets/standoffs
TB19 - Fwd bumper jack mounting cradle
TAILLIGHT PANEL & TRUNK AREA:
TB1,TB2,TB3 - Exterior taillight panel three prong wiring retainers
TB4,TB5,TB6,TB7 - Interior taillight panel single tab wiring retaining straps
TB8 - Aft bumper jack mount
TB9,TB11,TB12 - Dual tab wiring retaining straps in wiring channel formed into trunk floor extension
TB10 - Bumper spring mounting bracket
TB13,TB14,TB18 - Single tab wiring retaining straps along wheel housing
TB15,TB16,TB17 - Spare tire mounting brackets/standoffs
TB19 - Fwd bumper jack mounting cradle
A few more trunk area pics...
TAILLIGHT PANEL & TRUNK AREA:
TB1,TB2,TB3 - Exterior taillight panel three prong wiring retainers
TB4,TB5,TB6,TB7 - Interior taillight panel single tab wiring retaining straps
TB8 - Aft bumper jack mount
TB9,TB11,TB12 - Dual tab wiring retaining straps in wiring channel formed into trunk floor extension
TB10 - Bumper spring mounting bracket
TB13,TB14,TB18 - Single tab wiring retaining straps along wheel housing
TB15,TB16,TB17 - Spare tire mounting brackets/standoffs
TB19 - Fwd bumper jack mounting cradle
Quote from: hemi68charger on October 22, 2009, 08:56:22 AM
Allen Allen Allen........ She is looking straight as an arrow..... :2thumbs:
I second the notion Allen, great job. Your determination is really paying off. I do think she would look great next to this green 4-speed C500 in Michigan. I actually think there is enough room for them to sit comfortably and enjoy each others company.
Take care,
Steve
Quote from: WINGR on October 25, 2009, 11:03:05 AM
Quote from: hemi68charger on October 22, 2009, 08:56:22 AM
Allen Allen Allen........ She is looking straight as an arrow..... :2thumbs:
I second the notion Allen, great job. Your determination is really paying off. I do think she would look great next to this green 4-speed C500 in Michigan. I actually think there is enough room for them to sit comfortably and enjoy each others company.
Take care,
Steve
Thanks Steve... but I have no plans to buy your C500 and move to Michigan... :nana: :icon_smile_wink:
I
do like your car tho... :yesnod:
Allen
Quote from: xs29j8Bullitt on October 25, 2009, 11:43:53 AM
Quote from: WINGR on October 25, 2009, 11:03:05 AM
Quote from: hemi68charger on October 22, 2009, 08:56:22 AM
Allen Allen Allen........ She is looking straight as an arrow..... :2thumbs:
I second the notion Allen, great job. Your determination is really paying off. I do think she would look great next to this green 4-speed C500 in Michigan. I actually think there is enough room for them to sit comfortably and enjoy each others company.
Take care,
Steve
Thanks Steve... but I have no plans to buy your C500 and move to Michigan... :nana: :icon_smile_wink:
I do like your car tho... :yesnod:
Allen
Good comeback Allen, although the fall colors are looking very nice this time of year.
Did you notice the nice cozy carpet in the "man cave".
Thanks,
Another pic showing the front, still have some more work cleaning and decorating to make it the way it should be in there.
Quote from: WINGR on October 25, 2009, 12:31:41 PM
Good comeback Allen, although the fall colors are looking very nice this time of year.
Did you notice the nice cozy carpet in the "man cave".
Thanks,
Another pic showing the front, still have some more work cleaning and decorating to make it the way it should be in there.
Your "man cave" looks great Steve... much more comfy than mine.
Its the Winter color
s in Dec thru Feb that I might have a problem with... :icon_smile_big:
Attached are a few current pictures that Greg sent to me... Looks like some wiring retainers are missing, and those present are some sort of universal part. BTW, all of this is the handiwork of the old bodyshop... not Greg's!
Also, does anyone know of a source for repros of the various wiring retaining straps...?... see the last picture below.
Allen
Edit - CORRECTION on 12/3/2009 @ 5:10 PM CST... I have been told the universal appearing retainers on the driver's side trunk floor extension were on it when it was recieved from AMD... I will look into it and update again...
Allen
Quote from: xs29j8Bullitt on October 25, 2009, 01:01:19 PM
Also, does anyone know of a source for repros of the various wiring retaining straps...?
Anyone know of a source?... Or if used ones are the only option... Also, did I find all of the locations that the taillight wiring harness is secured in the trunk/taillight panel area? ??? :shruggy:
Quote from: xs29j8Bullitt on October 26, 2009, 09:21:28 AM
Quote from: xs29j8Bullitt on October 25, 2009, 01:01:19 PM
Also, does anyone know of a source for repros of the various wiring retaining straps...?
Anyone know of a source?... Or if used ones are the only option... Also, did I find all of the locations that the taillight wiring harness is secured in the trunk/taillight panel area? ??? :shruggy:
:eek2:
Allen, I bielieve Jamie at MegaParts should be able to help you with the straps and stuff. They are open from 2pm til 8pm ......608 452 2046 ask for Jamie
Quote from: 1HotDaytona on October 26, 2009, 09:53:30 AM
Quote from: xs29j8Bullitt on October 26, 2009, 09:21:28 AM
Quote from: xs29j8Bullitt on October 25, 2009, 01:01:19 PM
Also, does anyone know of a source for repros of the various wiring retaining straps...?
Anyone know of a source?... Or if used ones are the only option... Also, did I find all of the locations that the taillight wiring harness is secured in the trunk/taillight panel area? ??? :shruggy:
:eek2:
Allen, I bielieve Jamie at MegaParts should be able to help you with the straps and stuff. They are open from 2pm til 8pm ......608 452 2046 ask for Jamie
Thanks Brian, I will give Jamie a call. Their online catalog appears to have one of the retainers...
Keep up the good work.
Hope to see it at monster mopar in a couple years :2thumbs:
Quote from: 66chargerkid on October 26, 2009, 01:11:30 PM
Hope to see it at monster mopar in a couple years :2thumbs:
So do I Quintin... :yesnod:
I spoke with Jamie yesterday, and he had a look at the pictures that I posted on the wiring retainers... Jamie will see what he has for the trunk area routing.
Also, I received a new batch of pictures this morning showing preparation for the re-install of the rear window plug... the C500 should be going aero again soon. I post more pictures as time permits...
Allen
Quote from: xs29j8Bullitt on October 27, 2009, 06:58:46 AM
Quote from: 66chargerkid on October 26, 2009, 01:11:30 PM
Hope to see it at monster mopar in a couple years :2thumbs:
So do I Quintin... :yesnod:
I spoke with Jamie yesterday, and he had a look at the pictures that I posted on the wiring retainers... Jamie will see what he has for the trunk area routing.
Also, I received a new batch of pictures this morning showing preparation for the re-install of the rear window plug... the C500 should be going aero again soon. I post more pictures as time permits...
Allen
Allen , At the point Im at in my project Id love to see those pics. I hope he took a bunch.
The C500 is looking great as usual Allen! :cheers:
Quote from: 1HotDaytona on October 27, 2009, 02:55:40 PM
Quote from: xs29j8Bullitt on October 27, 2009, 06:58:46 AM
Quote from: 66chargerkid on October 26, 2009, 01:11:30 PM
Hope to see it at monster mopar in a couple years :2thumbs:
So do I Quintin... :yesnod:
I spoke with Jamie yesterday, and he had a look at the pictures that I posted on the wiring retainers... Jamie will see what he has for the trunk area routing.
Also, I received a new batch of pictures this morning showing preparation for the re-install of the rear window plug... the C500 should be going aero again soon. I post more pictures as time permits...
Allen
Allen , At the point Im at in my project Id love to see those pics. I hope he took a bunch.
Brian - I will post the pictures as soon as I can, but I had to work late yesterday... maybe tonight. Or, if you like, I could forward the full size pictures via email.
Also, I have a lot of pictures from the dis-assembly of the C500... I think I posted a few many pages ago in this thread. I can send full size of those as well... but I hope you have high-speed internet access!
Let me know what you need... :popcrn:
Brian - Have a look at about page 19 for pics like this:
(http://www.dodgecharger.com/forum/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=33799.0;attach=60737)
I received 8 pictures so far showing the preparation to re-install the rear window plug. First four show the cleanup around the roof opening and plug edges to provide for proper weld and lead adhesion.
The other four show a test fitting of the plug. On the last picture the alignment of the weld nubs on the lower surface of the plug and upper surface of the dutchman panel can be seen...
:drool5: :drool5: :drool5: :drool5: :drool5: :popcrn: :popcrn:
Blue Thunder's W23 "Recall" wheels are being shipped to me today... should arrive late next week. :cheers:
Below is a picture from MagnumCharger's thread on the Hemi C500 in Canada... it has the W23 "Recall" wheels on it. :drool5:
Can someone "photoshop" out the Hemi door badge & make it B5 Blue with a black C500 stripe... I need a boost to keep shoveling money into it... :P :eek2: :lol:
(http://www.dodgecharger.com/forum/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=22294.0;attach=77901)
And change the white walls to red? :D
here is another car
Quote from: b5blue on October 29, 2009, 11:22:44 AM
And change the white walls to red? :D
:yesnod: Good catch... Yes please! :popcrn:
and one for your road runner also
Quote from: moparstuart on October 29, 2009, 11:28:11 AM
here is another car
Neat car, but it has the wheels without trim rings. At this rate all the C500s will end up with the W23 wheels even though most (if not all) were built AFTER the recall date... :scratchchin:
Quote from: moparstuart on October 29, 2009, 11:29:23 AM
and one for your road runner also
WOW!!! :drool5: :drool5: :drool5: Thanks for posting the pics Stuart!
I forgot to tell you wayne put the road warriors on his 500 last week . The trim rings that came with them are junk , He couldnt get them to mount and they are only held on with like 4 mounting points . So he got some GM 15 inch trim rings and they fit right on and hold great . They had like little finger that go all the way around the trim ring and hold great .
Hey Allen,
Not to get to far off the wheel subject here, but have you given any thought to what you are going to do about your leaf springs? You may not have thought this far ahead yet but I need to replace them on my Road Runner. They're sagging so I'm leaning towards new rather than rebuild. I was thinking ESPO or Eaton. I'd appreciate your thoughts.
Quote from: moparstuart on October 29, 2009, 11:58:17 AM
I forgot to tell you wayne put the road warriors on his 500 last week . The trim rings that came with them are junk , He couldnt get them to mount and they are only held on with like 4 mounting points . So he got some GM 15 inch trim rings and they fit right on and hold great . They had like little finger that go all the way around the trim ring and hold great .
I will try to use the supplied trim rings, but may need to go to a "Plan B"... Do you have any close-up pictures of the 15 inch GM trim rings on the recall wheels...?... Also, what was the original application for the GM trim rings? Souns like the SW trim rings are like some of the 15x6.5 Mopar Rallye wheel trim rings, with four sets of three prong clips...
Quote from: brianz426 on October 29, 2009, 09:31:50 PM
Hey Allen,
Not to get to far off the wheel subject here, but have you given any thought to what you are going to do about your leaf springs? You may not have thought this far ahead yet but I need to replace them on my Road Runner. They're sagging so I'm leaning towards new rather than rebuild. I was thinking ESPO or Eaton. I'd appreciate your thoughts.
I plan to use new leaf springs on the C500. Several years ago I bought a new set of "superstock" leaf springs from a friend after he decided not to use them on his '63 Max Wedge car. He later borrowed them back, and they have been on his car ever since... I might need to buy another set... :P
Maybe someone will chime with recomendations... :popcrn:
Maybe trim rings come from 70-74 Z28 OR SS rims??
http://www.gtoman.com/inventory/1036983030-pic1.jpg
Quote from: moparstuart on October 29, 2009, 11:58:17 AM
I forgot to tell you wayne put the road warriors on his 500 last week . The trim rings that came with them are junk , He couldnt get them to mount and they are only held on with like 4 mounting points . So he got some GM 15 inch trim rings and they fit right on and hold great . They had like little finger that go all the way around the trim ring and hold great .
This is the 1969-only style of mounting tab... I'm fairly certain that the recall wheels used a similar mounting system, just in a 15" version and not quite as "deep" as the 14" version pictured here:
Quote from: hemigeno on November 02, 2009, 11:29:50 AM
Quote from: moparstuart on October 29, 2009, 11:58:17 AM
I forgot to tell you wayne put the road warriors on his 500 last week . The trim rings that came with them are junk , He couldnt get them to mount and they are only held on with like 4 mounting points . So he got some GM 15 inch trim rings and they fit right on and hold great . They had like little finger that go all the way around the trim ring and hold great .
This is the 1969-only style of mounting tab... I'm fairly certain that the recall wheels used a similar mounting system, just in a 15" version and not quite as "deep" as the 14" version pictured here:
Thanks for posting the picture Geno... That is the mounting system that I thought also came on some of the later model 15x6.5 Rallye wheel trim rings... I might be mistaken tho... :shruggy:
Quote from: xs29j8Bullitt on November 02, 2009, 09:54:21 AM
Quote from: moparstuart on October 29, 2009, 11:58:17 AM
I forgot to tell you wayne put the road warriors on his 500 last week . The trim rings that came with them are junk , He couldnt get them to mount and they are only held on with like 4 mounting points . So he got some GM 15 inch trim rings and they fit right on and hold great . They had like little finger that go all the way around the trim ring and hold great .
I will try to use the supplied trim rings, but may need to go to a "Plan B"... Do you have any close-up pictures of the 15 inch GM trim rings on the recall wheels...?... Also, what was the original application for the GM trim rings? Souns like the SW trim rings are like some of the 15x6.5 Mopar Rallye wheel trim rings, with four sets of three prong clips...
I have not seen them on the car yet , once he is back from talledega i'm planning to go over and get some pictures of it . I will get a ton of pictures to add to his 500 thread .
Quote from: moparstuart on November 02, 2009, 11:45:39 AM
Quote from: xs29j8Bullitt on November 02, 2009, 09:54:21 AM
Quote from: moparstuart on October 29, 2009, 11:58:17 AM
I forgot to tell you wayne put the road warriors on his 500 last week . The trim rings that came with them are junk , He couldnt get them to mount and they are only held on with like 4 mounting points . So he got some GM 15 inch trim rings and they fit right on and hold great . They had like little finger that go all the way around the trim ring and hold great .
I will try to use the supplied trim rings, but may need to go to a "Plan B"... Do you have any close-up pictures of the 15 inch GM trim rings on the recall wheels...?... Also, what was the original application for the GM trim rings? Souns like the SW trim rings are like some of the 15x6.5 Mopar Rallye wheel trim rings, with four sets of three prong clips...
I have not seen them on the car yet , once he is back from talledega i'm planning to go over and get some pictures of it . I will get a ton of pictures to add to his 500 thread .
Thanks Stuart! See if Wayne knows what the original application was... also, ask him if they tried the two man approach recommended by Specialty Wheel... :popcrn:
Quote from: xs29j8Bullitt on November 02, 2009, 11:45:15 AM
Quote from: hemigeno on November 02, 2009, 11:29:50 AM
This is the 1969-only style of mounting tab... I'm fairly certain that the recall wheels used a similar mounting system, just in a 15" version and not quite as "deep" as the 14" version pictured here:
Thanks for posting the picture Geno... That is the mounting system that I thought also came on some of the later model 15x6.5 Rallye wheel trim rings... I might be mistaken tho... :shruggy:
Jerry Narramore's Hemi500 at one time had 15" trim rings on his steel wheels that we're about 99% sure were take-offs from a set of recall wheels. IIRC they had the 4 spring steel clip mounting setup just like the 14" road wheel clips in my pic. I don't have any pictures of his beauty rings either installed or loose, but maybe Jerry, Danny L. (69500) or Jim M. (3--Daytona) have some photos they could post.
Are you shooting for a super-original look to your recall wheels, or just trying to find something that fits well and doesn't look too out of place? Ya gotta think original 15" trim rings are going to be tough to find.
Only found this no mention of alternate trim rings that can be used
http://www.hemmings.com/hmn/stories/2007/05/01/hmn_feature27.html
I had 1 original W23 Kelsey hayes recall rim .Cant recall if I had its trim ring
http://www.dodgecharger.com/forum/index.php/topic,20047.msg218353/topicseen.html#msg218353
ph(http://i37.photobucket.com/albums/e67/75414/wheel.jpg)
Quote from: hemigeno on November 02, 2009, 12:29:39 PM
Quote from: xs29j8Bullitt on November 02, 2009, 11:45:15 AM
Quote from: hemigeno on November 02, 2009, 11:29:50 AM
This is the 1969-only style of mounting tab... I'm fairly certain that the recall wheels used a similar mounting system, just in a 15" version and not quite as "deep" as the 14" version pictured here:
Thanks for posting the picture Geno... That is the mounting system that I thought also came on some of the later model 15x6.5 Rallye wheel trim rings... I might be mistaken tho... :shruggy:
Jerry Narramore's Hemi500 at one time had 15" trim rings on his steel wheels that we're about 99% sure were take-offs from a set of recall wheels. IIRC they had the 4 spring steel clip mounting setup just like the 14" road wheel clips in my pic. I don't have any pictures of his beauty rings either installed or loose, but maybe Jerry, Danny L. (69500) or Jim M. (3--Daytona) have some photos they could post.
Are you shooting for a super-original look to your recall wheels, or just trying to find something that fits well and doesn't look too out of place? Ya gotta think original 15" trim rings are going to be tough to find.
No need for original trim rings, but I assumed the ones supplied with the Warrior wheels were fairly close... are they just generic trim rings? ???
I would like them to have approximately the right finish, and look original at 10 feet... maybe I am expecting too much? :shruggy:
here is waynes daytona running an original set of recalls , and a deer hit nose .
A friend has an original set that were run on Dave Jones' Daytona for a while... I'll try to do a comparison when I get a chance. :icon_smile_big:
I had a power wheels big photo of it parked on grass wearing recalls.Then it had dog dishes on it later
http://www.myclassiccar.com/episode/01/06/
Quote from: nascarxx29 on November 02, 2009, 12:44:07 PM
Only found this no mention of alternate trim rings that can be used
http://www.hemmings.com/hmn/stories/2007/05/01/hmn_feature27.html
Interesting article, thanks for posting Dave...
If your into details compare the original W23 recal wheel lugnuts .To what there using today :Twocents:
(http://i37.photobucket.com/albums/e67/75414/lugnutsnos.jpg)
Quote from: xs29j8Bullitt on November 02, 2009, 10:06:06 AM
Quote from: brianz426 on October 29, 2009, 09:31:50 PM
Hey Allen,
Not to get to far off the wheel subject here, but have you given any thought to what you are going to do about your leaf springs? You may not have thought this far ahead yet but I need to replace them on my Road Runner. They're sagging so I'm leaning towards new rather than rebuild. I was thinking ESPO or Eaton. I'd appreciate your thoughts.
I plan to use new leaf springs on the C500. Several years ago I bought a new set of "superstock" leaf springs from a friend after he decided not to use them on his '63 Max Wedge car. He later borrowed them back, and they have been on his car ever since... I might need to buy another set... :P
Maybe someone will chime with recomendations... :popcrn:
For your info Allen I've gotten quotes from Eaton Spring ($645.25) And ESPO ($288.43) for my '69 RoadRunner. This is complete package correct springs and all new related hardware plus shipping. There must be a reason for such a drastic difference in price but I can't seem to find it. :brickwall: I've brought this topic up in a couple other forums and the consesus is that the people who have bought ESPO are happy, the Eaton supporters say you get what you pay for and they are happy. I've gotten mixed reviews on the Mopar Performance springs some people are happy but more people complained about sagging after a year. :shruggy: My next step was to look into a local spring rebuilding place. I only want to do this once, I've had this car for almost 30 years and plan on keeping it for another 30.
What $645.00 not over my dead springs :smilielol:
I got springs from Laura at ESPO $300.00 for 1 in over stock height back when I got them .They went up that much $600
Quote from: brianz426 on November 03, 2009, 08:26:52 AM
Quote from: xs29j8Bullitt on November 02, 2009, 10:06:06 AM
Quote from: brianz426 on October 29, 2009, 09:31:50 PM
Hey Allen,
Not to get to far off the wheel subject here, but have you given any thought to what you are going to do about your leaf springs? You may not have thought this far ahead yet but I need to replace them on my Road Runner. They're sagging so I'm leaning towards new rather than rebuild. I was thinking ESPO or Eaton. I'd appreciate your thoughts.
I plan to use new leaf springs on the C500. Several years ago I bought a new set of "superstock" leaf springs from a friend after he decided not to use them on his '63 Max Wedge car. He later borrowed them back, and they have been on his car ever since... I might need to buy another set... :P
Maybe someone will chime with recomendations... :popcrn:
For your info Allen I've gotten quotes from Eaton Spring ($645.25) And ESPO ($288.43) for my '69 RoadRunner. This is complete package correct springs and all new related hardware plus shipping. There must be a reason for such a drastic difference in price but I can't seem to find it. :brickwall: I've brought this topic up in a couple other forums and the consesus is that the people who have bought ESPO are happy, the Eaton supporters say you get what you pay for and they are happy. I've gotten mixed reviews on the Mopar Performance springs some people are happy but more people complained about sagging after a year. :shruggy: My next step was to look into a local spring rebuilding place. I only want to do this once, I've had this car for almost 30 years and plan on keeping it for another 30.
Thanks for the info Brian... the Eaton springs sure are pricey!!! :eek2:
Well, the W23 repro wheels arrived yesterday... they are pricey too... :P Great DC.Com discount tho... about 25% off list price
I saw your post on Moparts... let me know what you find out or decide to do.
Allen
Quote from: xs29j8Bullitt on November 04, 2009, 08:03:17 AM
Quote from: brianz426 on November 03, 2009, 08:26:52 AM
Quote from: xs29j8Bullitt on November 02, 2009, 10:06:06 AM
Quote from: brianz426 on October 29, 2009, 09:31:50 PM
Hey Allen,
Not to get to far off the wheel subject here, but have you given any thought to what you are going to do about your leaf springs? You may not have thought this far ahead yet but I need to replace them on my Road Runner. They're sagging so I'm leaning towards new rather than rebuild. I was thinking ESPO or Eaton. I'd appreciate your thoughts.
I plan to use new leaf springs on the C500. Several years ago I bought a new set of "superstock" leaf springs from a friend after he decided not to use them on his '63 Max Wedge car. He later borrowed them back, and they have been on his car ever since... I might need to buy another set... :P
Maybe someone will chime with recomendations... :popcrn:
For your info Allen I've gotten quotes from Eaton Spring ($645.25) And ESPO ($288.43) for my '69 RoadRunner. This is complete package correct springs and all new related hardware plus shipping. There must be a reason for such a drastic difference in price but I can't seem to find it. :brickwall: I've brought this topic up in a couple other forums and the consesus is that the people who have bought ESPO are happy, the Eaton supporters say you get what you pay for and they are happy. I've gotten mixed reviews on the Mopar Performance springs some people are happy but more people complained about sagging after a year. :shruggy: My next step was to look into a local spring rebuilding place. I only want to do this once, I've had this car for almost 30 years and plan on keeping it for another 30.
Thanks for the info Brian... the Eaton springs sure are pricey!!! :eek2:
Well, the W23 repro wheels arrived yesterday... they are pricey too... :P Great DC.Com discount tho... about 25% off list price
I saw your post on Moparts... let me know what you find out or decide to do.
Allen
pictures of the wheels :shruggy:
Quote from: moparstuart on November 04, 2009, 11:55:12 AM
pictures of the wheels :shruggy:
Maybe by the weekend Stuart... It was all that I could do to carry the 10 boxes into the garage so the neighborhood militia would not have to continue guarding them... :icon_smile_big:
QuoteQuote from: moparstuart on November 04, 2009, 11:55:12 AM
pictures of the wheels :shruggy:
Maybe by the weekend Stuart... It was all that I could do to carry the 10 boxes into the garage so the neighborhood militia would not have to continue guarding them... :icon_smile_big:
:smilielol: :smilielol: :smilielol: :smilielol: :smilielol: :smilielol: :smilielol: :smilielol: :smilielol: :smilielol: :smilielol: :icon_smile_big:
Quote from: brianz426 on November 03, 2009, 08:26:52 AM
Quote from: xs29j8Bullitt on November 02, 2009, 10:06:06 AM
Quote from: brianz426 on October 29, 2009, 09:31:50 PM
Hey Allen,
Not to get to far off the wheel subject here, but have you given any thought to what you are going to do about your leaf springs? You may not have thought this far ahead yet but I need to replace them on my Road Runner. They're sagging so I'm leaning towards new rather than rebuild. I was thinking ESPO or Eaton. I'd appreciate your thoughts.
I plan to use new leaf springs on the C500. Several years ago I bought a new set of "superstock" leaf springs from a friend after he decided not to use them on his '63 Max Wedge car. He later borrowed them back, and they have been on his car ever since... I might need to buy another set... :P
Maybe someone will chime with recomendations... :popcrn:
For your info Allen I've gotten quotes from Eaton Spring ($645.25) And ESPO ($288.43) for my '69 RoadRunner. This is complete package correct springs and all new related hardware plus shipping. There must be a reason for such a drastic difference in price but I can't seem to find it. :brickwall: I've brought this topic up in a couple other forums and the consesus is that the people who have bought ESPO are happy, the Eaton supporters say you get what you pay for and they are happy. I've gotten mixed reviews on the Mopar Performance springs some people are happy but more people complained about sagging after a year. :shruggy: My next step was to look into a local spring rebuilding place. I only want to do this once, I've had this car for almost 30 years and plan on keeping it for another 30.
I have had ESPO on my Daytona for about 6 years and they are doing great. I had a set on my SuperBird before that. They are great to work with too, excellent customer service.
I had put the Mopar Performance ones on a '67 Coronet and always thought they sat too low from day one.
I got the ESPO springs on our cars to :2thumbs:
Quote from: moparstuart on November 04, 2009, 12:11:31 PM
QuoteQuote from: moparstuart on November 04, 2009, 11:55:12 AM
pictures of the wheels :shruggy:
Maybe by the weekend Stuart... It was all that I could do to carry the 10 boxes into the garage so the neighborhood militia would not have to continue guarding them... :icon_smile_big:
:smilielol: :smilielol: :smilielol: :smilielol: :smilielol: :smilielol: :smilielol: :smilielol: :smilielol: :smilielol: :smilielol: :icon_smile_big:
A picture of the 10 boxes... :shruggy: :shruggy: :shruggy: :lol:
:o There's a chunk of change! (they are going to look sooooo gooood!) :2thumbs:
Quote from: Dave Kanofsky on November 04, 2009, 01:19:38 PM
I have had ESPO on my Daytona for about 6 years and they are doing great. I had a set on my SuperBird before that. They are great to work with too, excellent customer service.
I had put the Mopar Performance ones on a '67 Coronet and always thought they sat too low from day one.
Thanks for the input Dave... I am starting to lean toward getting ESPO springs... :think:
Quote from: xs29j8Bullitt on November 04, 2009, 07:47:15 PM
A picture of the 10 boxes... :shruggy: :shruggy: :shruggy: :lol:
10? 10 boxes? 8 wheels and 2 boxes for trim rings? :shruggy:
Allen, you've got way too many toys. :drool5:
Quote from: PocketThunder on November 05, 2009, 09:34:31 AM
Quote from: xs29j8Bullitt on November 04, 2009, 07:47:15 PM
A picture of the 10 boxes... :shruggy: :shruggy: :shruggy: :lol:
10? 10 boxes? 8 wheels and 2 boxes for trim rings? :shruggy:
Yep... The upper box on each stack is a lot lighter than the other four in the stack... trim rings and center caps I assume.
Quote from: hotrod98 on November 05, 2009, 09:40:05 AM
Allen, you've got way too many toys. :drool5:
I assume you are refering to the Lemon Twist & Torred bookends for the boxes...
You are right, and a solution is being planned... but Ole Yeller & Scarlett are staying put! :yesnod:
Have you inspected the contents for correctness and damage yet? (the only reason I ask is I regretted not doing so ASAP)
Quote from: b5blue on November 05, 2009, 10:41:58 AM
Have you inspected the contents for correctness and damage yet? (the only reason I ask is I regretted not doing so ASAP)
Not yet... I will try to find time this weekend... I have had a busy week! :P
I got E body rear leaf springs in for my Charger (newbie in shipping) luckily as soon as I found out they shipped correct ones without waiting for wrong ones to return. So your not concerned about correct part # on rear springs for Blue Thunder?
Quote from: b5blue on November 05, 2009, 10:56:45 AM
I got E body rear leaf springs in for my Charger (newbie in shipping) luckily as soon as I found out they shipped correct ones without waiting for wrong ones to return. So your not concerned about correct part # on rear springs for Blue Thunder?
I am not sure what your question is, but I have not ordered rear springs yet. If your question is about originality, I will probably go with aftermarket new springs instead of originals that need to be re-curved every 3-5 years. I will save the originals tho... Bolt on parts are an easy swap, and my C500 is not a totally correct concours restoration... I will try to buy correct appearing repros if possible.
On a unrelated note found picture of Dave Jones daytona wearing recall wheels with trim rings
(http://i975.photobucket.com/albums/ae240/Wingcars69/DaveJones.jpg)
Man! those recalls sure look good on an aero car.
Quote from: Kiwi68 on November 05, 2009, 01:10:51 PM
Man! those recalls sure look good on an aero car.
Did you see the Charger 500 with recalls on Reply 1053 (Page 53)... ? :drool5:
Quote from: xs29j8Bullitt on November 05, 2009, 01:17:19 PM
Quote from: Kiwi68 on November 05, 2009, 01:10:51 PM
Man! those recalls sure look good on an aero car.
Did you see the Charger 500 with recalls on Reply 1053 (Page 53)... ? :drool5:
Yes, very very nice. I will look at getting a set in a year or two. Once I've finished my car and the dust has settled on all the spending. :lol:
Quote from: nascarxx29 on November 03, 2009, 11:52:39 AM
I got springs from Laura at ESPO $300.00 for 1 in over stock height back when I got them .They went up that much $600
Eaton was over $600.00 , ESPO was 288 and change so I guess they haven't gone up. :2thumbs:
Quote from: xs29j8Bullitt on November 04, 2009, 08:50:25 PM
Quote from: Dave Kanofsky on November 04, 2009, 01:19:38 PM
I have had ESPO on my Daytona for about 6 years and they are doing great. I had a set on my SuperBird before that. They are great to work with too, excellent customer service.
I had put the Mopar Performance ones on a '67 Coronet and always thought they sat too low from day one.
Thanks for the input Dave... I am starting to lean toward getting ESPO springs... :think:
I'm leaning toward ESPO also Allen. Next week I will stop at the local spring rebuilder here in Baltimore. If they are close to the price of ESPO (within a $100) then I will go with new ESPO. I'll let you know what I find out.
Quote from: xs29j8Bullitt on November 04, 2009, 07:47:15 PM
Quote from: moparstuart on November 04, 2009, 12:11:31 PM
QuoteQuote from: moparstuart on November 04, 2009, 11:55:12 AM
pictures of the wheels :shruggy:
Maybe by the weekend Stuart... It was all that I could do to carry the 10 boxes into the garage so the neighborhood militia would not have to continue guarding them... :icon_smile_big:
:smilielol: :smilielol: :smilielol: :smilielol: :smilielol: :smilielol: :smilielol: :smilielol: :smilielol: :smilielol: :smilielol: :icon_smile_big:
A picture of the 10 boxes... :shruggy: :shruggy: :shruggy: :lol:
OK, some friends came over and made me open one box... :icon_smile_big: ...wheel looks great! :drool5:
Quote from: brianz426 on November 06, 2009, 01:05:30 PM
I'm leaning toward ESPO also Allen. Next week I will stop at the local spring rebuilder here in Baltimore. If they are close to the price of ESPO (within a $100) then I will go with new ESPO. I'll let you know what I find out.
Please do... :popcrn:
what's with the fascination with buying new springs? I have the MP ones on the 'bird for the last six years and they're fine.
also, are they going to LOOK like original? you're going to great lengths with this car--I can't imagine not using the original springs on such a project. did the car sit really low before, or are they just normal-flat? best of show had the springs re-arched for the Hemi GTX I put together and the car sat right and had the correct part numbers.
Let me know what leaf springs you go with on the car Allen. The rear leafs on my car are the pretty much shot. I guess that is to be expected when they are nearly 40 years old though right?
MoPar replacements are like $200.....I haven't hears much bad about them?
Allen...
I was looking through the thread here and noticed something.. The shop didn't fill in the rear valance seam/junction between the end cap and the rear lower valance? Here's the picture I'm referring to. You can see the white body sealer that should be there for the end cap-to-quarter junction and up onto the taillamp panel. But, it should end there and not go down the rear valance again.. Or, did you want that?
Troy
Quote from: xs29j8Bullitt on November 05, 2009, 12:12:06 PM
Quote from: b5blue on November 05, 2009, 10:56:45 AM
I got E body rear leaf springs in for my Charger (newbie in shipping) luckily as soon as I found out they shipped correct ones without waiting for wrong ones to return. So your not concerned about correct part # on rear springs for Blue Thunder?
I am not sure what your question is, but I have not ordered rear springs yet. If your question is about originality, I will probably go with aftermarket new springs instead of originals that need to be re-curved every 3-5 years. I will save the originals tho... Bolt on parts are an easy swap, and my C500 is not a totally correct concours restoration... I will try to buy correct appearing repros if possible.
Quote from: pettybird on November 06, 2009, 10:56:14 PM
what's with the fascination with buying new springs? I have the MP ones on the 'bird for the last six years and they're fine.
also, are they going to LOOK like original? you're going to great lengths with this car--I can't imagine not using the original springs on such a project. did the car sit really low before, or are they just normal-flat? best of show had the springs re-arched for the Hemi GTX I put together and the car sat right and had the correct part numbers.
Doug - A lot of friends in the local area have had problems with re-arched springs, mostly sagging after a few years... but one guy claimed a re-arched spring broke near the forward attach point during a launch. I still have not made a decision... could still decide to rebuild the originals... :shruggy:
Quote from: 69_500 on November 07, 2009, 08:38:52 AM
Let me know what leaf springs you go with on the car Allen. The rear leafs on my car are the pretty much shot. I guess that is to be expected when they are nearly 40 years old though right?
Will do Danny...
Allen, Ive used the Mopar repop springs many times now. I have never had a problem, and they cost far less than the others too......I use thier t-bars too.
Quote from: 1HotDaytona on November 11, 2009, 01:01:38 PM
Allen, Ive used the Mopar repop springs many times now. I have never had a problem, and they cost far less than the others too......I use thier t-bars too.
These springs don't leave the car's rear too high? I remember a friend bought some new springs for his R/T and they just didn't look correct...
Troy
Quote from: hemi68charger on November 10, 2009, 03:49:57 PM
Allen...
I was looking through the thread here and noticed something.. The shop didn't fill in the rear valance seam/junction between the end cap and the rear lower valance? Here's the picture I'm referring to. You can see the white body sealer that should be there for the end cap-to-quarter junction and up onto the taillamp panel. But, it should end there and not go down the rear valance again.. Or, did you want that?
Troy
Davtona had called me about it earlier, and I have discussed with Greg. Detailed pictures are being taken, and a decision will be made by me later... :think: Thanks for the heads-up Troy! :cheers:
Also, Greg has started leading the roof to the quarter panels... pictures will be taken.
The Dutchman panel & inside areas of the sail panels will be painted prior to leading in the plug. The bottom side of the plug will be covered by Rust Bullet instead of leaving bare metal... Pictures when they are available...
Allen
I've been looking for feedback on Rust Bullet and if they or you like it I will try some, my car is a prime candidate for such a product. :2thumbs:
Quote from: b5blue on November 11, 2009, 01:22:19 PM
I've been looking for feedback on Rust Bullet and if they or you like it I will try some, my car is a prime candidate for such a product. :2thumbs:
So far I like it a lot, but will not use it under exterior paint... too many horror stories about the other products like POR-15...
Greg seems to like it also...
Quote from: xs29j8Bullitt on November 11, 2009, 01:33:01 PM
Quote from: b5blue on November 11, 2009, 01:22:19 PM
I've been looking for feedback on Rust Bullet and if they or you like it I will try some, my car is a prime candidate for such a product. :2thumbs:
So far I like it a lot, but will not use it under exterior paint... too many horror stories about the other products like POR-15...
Greg seems to like it also...
I agree. It should only be used in and under a vehicle. Inside frame rails floors etc. where if it lifted then so what.
That's what I mean, there are many EXTERIOR areas I was thinking of but after waiting this long for body repair I don't want to build in problems. Thanks!!! :2thumbs:
Quote from: hemi68charger on November 11, 2009, 01:10:08 PM
Quote from: 1HotDaytona on November 11, 2009, 01:01:38 PM
Allen, Ive used the Mopar repop springs many times now. I have never had a problem, and they cost far less than the others too......I use thier t-bars too.
These springs don't leave the car's rear too high? I remember a friend bought some new springs for his R/T and they just didn't look correct...
Troy
Ive never had that problem with the XHD springs....Maybe they mistakenly sent his super stock springs?
You have seen pics of my Gold Charger and My Black one , and they both have new XHD units from Mopar.
I have a set sitting here for My Daytona clone too.
Looking good............ :2thumbs:
The GM part number is 9796696 wayne gave me the trim ring GM part number
They appear to be 69 Z28 trim rings.Which if Im not mistaken 68-69 Z 28s had 15X6 rally wheels
http://www.camaros.net/forums/archive/index.php/t-96363.html
http://oepartsource.com/index.php?page=shop.product_details&flypage=shop.garden_flypage&product_id=1721220&category_id=3&manufacturer_id=0&option=com_virtuemart&Itemid=3
Quote from: 1HotDaytona on November 11, 2009, 02:27:19 PM
Quote from: hemi68charger on November 11, 2009, 01:10:08 PM
Quote from: 1HotDaytona on November 11, 2009, 01:01:38 PM
Allen, Ive used the Mopar repop springs many times now. I have never had a problem, and they cost far less than the others too......I use thier t-bars too.
These springs don't leave the car's rear too high? I remember a friend bought some new springs for his R/T and they just didn't look correct...
Troy
Ive never had that problem with the XHD springs....Maybe they mistakenly sent his super stock springs?
You have seen pics of my Gold Charger and My Black one , and they both have new XHD units from Mopar.
I have a set sitting here for My Daytona clone too.
Thanks for the input Brian... I am still mulling over the options, might still decide to have an original set re-arched... or...
Quote from: dads_69 on November 12, 2009, 03:21:25 AM
Looking good............ :2thumbs:
Thanks Mark!
Quote from: moparstuart on November 14, 2009, 03:10:40 PM
The GM part number is 9796696 wayne gave me the trim ring GM part number
Stuart - Thanks for the picture & part number... Are Wayne's wheels 6 inch or 7 inch width?
Allen
not sure i will have to get over there and see them in person. I will try to get better up close pictures also .
Quote from: moparstuart on November 16, 2009, 12:40:57 PM
not sure i will have to get over there and see them in person. I will try to get better up close pictures also .
Thanks Stuart! :cheers:
http://board.moparts.org/ubbthreads/showflat.php?Cat=0&Number=5567936&Main=5565145
Quote from: nascarxx29 on November 16, 2009, 04:51:22 PM
http://board.moparts.org/ubbthreads/showflat.php?Cat=0&Number=5567936&Main=5565145
Thanks for the link Dave, I had not seen it before.
I received three new pictures from Greg this morning showing the leading of the roof to the quarter panels... I will try to get them resized and posted tonight.
Leading in the quarter panels... passenger side shown in work in the first two pics, third pic shows driver's side prior to lead work beginning...
:coolgleamA: looking good !! dont forget to drill the charger name plate holes on the sail panel :yesnod:
Quote from: tan top on November 17, 2009, 06:32:20 PM
:coolgleamA: looking good !! dont forget to drill the charger name plate holes on the sail panel :yesnod:
On my list... saved the original sail panels for templates... :2thumbs:
Quote from: xs29j8Bullitt on November 17, 2009, 06:49:39 PM
Quote from: tan top on November 17, 2009, 06:32:20 PM
:coolgleamA: looking good !! dont forget to drill the charger name plate holes on the sail panel :yesnod:
On my list... saved the original sail panels for templates... :2thumbs:
good thinking :yesnod: :coolgleamA:
I made paper templates from another car and it was still hard to get the holes correct. I should have just left the SE emblems on mine to begin with.
Quote from: tan top on November 17, 2009, 06:50:31 PM
Quote from: xs29j8Bullitt on November 17, 2009, 06:49:39 PM
Quote from: tan top on November 17, 2009, 06:32:20 PM
:coolgleamA: looking good !! dont forget to drill the charger name plate holes on the sail panel :yesnod:
On my list... saved the original sail panels for templates... :2thumbs:
good thinking :yesnod: :coolgleamA:
Yea.. that is a good idea Allen......... :2thumbs:
Coming along nicely.Those the new on the market full 1/4s.I keep my friend with the other B5 500 updated.Probably will need the same extent of work
Quote from: xs29j8Bullitt on November 06, 2009, 09:57:25 PM
Quote from: brianz426 on November 06, 2009, 01:05:30 PM
I'm leaning toward ESPO also Allen. Next week I will stop at the local spring rebuilder here in Baltimore. If they are close to the price of ESPO (within a $100) then I will go with new ESPO. I'll let you know what I find out.
Please do... :popcrn:
Allen,
I've decided to go with the ESPO springs. My discussion with the local rebuilder was not encouraging. They charge $60.00 per side to re-arc and add a leaf. They claim rebuild kits (sliders etc.) are not available (they are) so they would just reassemble them with existing hardware. They do have new u-bolts and they charge as much as everybody else. I'm just going to hold on to my originals but get all new springs and hardware from ESPO. Seems like the best deal and most people seem to be happy with ESPO. Good luck with your decision. I'll report back in a few weeks when I get the new springs.
Happy Thanksgiving
Quote from: xs29j8Bullitt on October 25, 2009, 01:01:19 PM
Attached are a few current pictures that Greg sent to me... Looks like some wiring retainers are missing, and those present are some sort of universal part. BTW, all of this is the handiwork of the old bodyshop... not Greg's!
Also, does anyone know of a source for repros of the various wiring retaining straps...?... see the last picture below.
Allen
If you are refering to the ones on the bumper filler panel. That is the way it came from AMD.
Quote from: brianz426 on November 25, 2009, 04:39:51 PM
Quote from: xs29j8Bullitt on November 06, 2009, 09:57:25 PM
Quote from: brianz426 on November 06, 2009, 01:05:30 PM
I'm leaning toward ESPO also Allen. Next week I will stop at the local spring rebuilder here in Baltimore. If they are close to the price of ESPO (within a $100) then I will go with new ESPO. I'll let you know what I find out.
Please do... :popcrn:
Allen,
I've decided to go with the ESPO springs. My discussion with the local rebuilder was not encouraging. They charge $60.00 per side to re-arc and add a leaf. They claim rebuild kits (sliders etc.) are not available (they are) so they would just reassemble them with existing hardware. They do have new u-bolts and they charge as much as everybody else. I'm just going to hold on to my originals but get all new springs and hardware from ESPO. Seems like the best deal and most people seem to be happy with ESPO. Good luck with your decision. I'll report back in a few weeks when I get the new springs.
Happy Thanksgiving
Thanks Brian... I am still undecided... looking forward to your opinions on the ESPO springs.
Allen
Quote from: Bakaruda on December 02, 2009, 10:33:16 PM
Quote from: xs29j8Bullitt on October 25, 2009, 01:01:19 PM
Attached are a few current pictures that Greg sent to me... Looks like some wiring retainers are missing, and those present are some sort of universal part. BTW, all of this is the handiwork of the old bodyshop... not Greg's!
Also, does anyone know of a source for repros of the various wiring retaining straps...?... see the last picture below.
Allen
If you are refering to the ones on the bumper filler panel. That is the way it came from AMD.
Hi... welcome to the forum. I was mainly refering to the retaining straps on the driver's side trunk floor extension, below where the bumper jack mounts. Do those come pre-installed on the extension from AMD also? See picture below...
BTW, are you Brian C. from the local club?
Allen
(http://www.dodgecharger.com/forum/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=33799.0;attach=113169)
Picture in the lower left corner shows an original on my Y2 Sunfire Yellow 1969 Charger R/T...
(http://www.dodgecharger.com/forum/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=33799.0;attach=113171)
Quote from: xs29j8Bullitt on December 03, 2009, 08:11:02 AM
Quote from: Bakaruda on December 02, 2009, 10:33:16 PM
Quote from: xs29j8Bullitt on October 25, 2009, 01:01:19 PM
Attached are a few current pictures that Greg sent to me... Looks like some wiring retainers are missing, and those present are some sort of universal part. BTW, all of this is the handiwork of the old bodyshop... not Greg's!
Also, does anyone know of a source for repros of the various wiring retaining straps...?... see the last picture below.
Allen
If you are refering to the ones on the bumper filler panel. That is the way it came from AMD.
Hi... welcome to the forum. I was mainly refering to the retaining straps on the driver's side trunk floor extension, below where the bumper jack mounts. Do those come pre-installed on the extension from AMD also? See picture below...
BTW, are you Brian C. from the local club?
Allen
(http://www.dodgecharger.com/forum/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=33799.0;attach=113169)
Yes, the wire straps (2) on the trunk floor extensions are attached on the AMD extension panels drivers side. I have a set here brand new, and they look great.
Keep up the good work Allen!
Q
Quote from: Kiwi68 on December 03, 2009, 01:42:31 PM
Yes, the wire straps (2) on the trunk floor extensions are attached on the AMD extension panels drivers side. I have a set here brand new, and they look great.
Why are there only 2? There should be 3.............
Troy
Quote from: Kiwi68 on December 03, 2009, 01:42:31 PM
(http://www.dodgecharger.com/forum/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=33799.0;attach=113169)
Yes, the wire straps (2) on the trunk floor extensions are attached on the AMD extension panels drivers side. I have a set here brand new, and they look great.
Like Troy said, there should be three... one hides behind the rear jack post mount. Are they long narrow tabs as they appear to be in my picture?... or wide like the original in my Y2 R/T?
I updated my original post, and will update it again when the details are known...
QuoteAttached are a few current pictures that Greg sent to me... Looks like some wiring retainers are missing, and those present are some sort of universal part. BTW, all of this is the handiwork of the old bodyshop... not Greg's!
Also, does anyone know of a source for repros of the various wiring retaining straps...?... see the last picture below.
Allen
Edit - CORRECTION on 12/3/2009 @ 5:10 PM CST... I have been told the universal appearing retainers on the driver's side trunk floor extension were on it when it was recieved from AMD... I will look into it and update again...
Allen
Those wire tabs are easy to make, I make them all the time like on this 69 Roadrunner with cheap sherman extension. Some have a black rubber coating on ends. I just use that black rubber coating in a can for Tools Handles ect, Think it's called Plastisol. Dip or brush on. LEON.
That body line does suck Allen........... I would have flipped out as well.... If that's an example of their work, then the level of "attention to detail" is very low. I can understand a body man having a bad day, but come on......... He/She would have/should have caught that later on after a full cup of coffee........ Looking much better now... There's nothing worse than the body lines on a 2nd gen. Charger not lining up........... Well, maybe if you've paid a gluteus maximus amount of money and it still looks like that, that's worse....
Troy
(http://www.dodgecharger.com/forum/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=33799.0;attach=115897;image)
Quote from: Bakaruda on December 04, 2009, 05:18:14 PM
... You know the best thing to do is just let this stop now. I have no issue with you...
Cary
Apparently Cary, you're speaking on behalf of the body shop.. I now for Allen.... You are right, it is best to stop this now.....
Let's not hijack this thread and stick the purpose, the restoration of Allen's '69 Charger 500, for better or worst. I myself went through a very similar situation and felt it was necessary to chronicle the complete process, especially to those that live near me....
ditto on PM..
Troy
Quote from: Bakaruda on December 04, 2009, 05:18:14 PM
First things first, I am not speaking for anyone. Me and you talked allot about how you were wanting the quarters done that is what I mean. You know the best thing to do is just let this stop now. I have no issue with you. The car thing was just plain bad at the end. You like very nice cars and he has turned out very nice cars. This was just not one of them, although it never got finished. I hope all ends well. If I felt I was screwed like you feel you were I would take it to court. I am sorry for you that it ended like it did.
I am just here to watch it get done. I will continue to read and watch it as you progress. Good luck with the project.
Cary
For as much dough as was spent, and time wasted with that car in the shop not getting done, if anything, it should have been pulled sooner. I'd be embarassed to treat a customer like that. It seemed that Allen was getting milked and sucked into a bottomless black hole by the first shop.
Quote from: Aero426 on December 04, 2009, 07:07:06 PM
For as much dough as was spent, and time wasted with that car in the shop not getting done, if anything, it should have been pulled sooner. I'd be embarassed to treat a customer like that. It seemed that Allen was getting milked and sucked into a bottomless black hole by the first shop.
You are absolutely right Doug... and I am more than a little embarassed at how badly I was taken. There were contributing factors like personal and family health issues, but the bottom line is that I should have taken action
much sooner! I have always been amazed by people that allowed themselves to be scammed by the various schemes that go around... maybe I was just as gullible. An incredibily expensive lesson, and now I find it difficult to trust anyone...
Allen the good new here is that now it is going be done very nicely by the shop that is currently working on it, and hindsight is always 20/20. Things never look as bad as they are until you take a few steps back and admire them from a distance. That being said I"m looking forward to seeing the 500 done one of these days so that I can :drool5: :drool5: :drool5: all over it. Looking forward to seeing you in St. Louis this year Allen.
Quote from: 69_500 on December 05, 2009, 08:59:41 AM
.... Looking forward to seeing you in St. Louis this year Allen.
Me too.. I think I need to make it my New Year's resolution to attend Monster Mopar Weekend 2010...
Troy
Quote from: hemi68charger on December 05, 2009, 09:10:35 AM
Quote from: 69_500 on December 05, 2009, 08:59:41 AM
.... Looking forward to seeing you in St. Louis this year Allen.
Me too.. I think I need to make it my New Year's resolution to attend Monster Mopar Weekend 2010...
Troy
Not to turn this into a MMW'10 thread, just a note that I am also planning on being there this year as well.
Good Luck on your car Allen, I hope to see it there.
Quote from: 69_500 on December 05, 2009, 08:59:41 AMThat being said I"m looking forward to seeing the 500 done one of these days so that I can :drool5: :drool5: :drool5: all over it. Looking forward to seeing you in St. Louis this year Allen.
:iagree:
Glad to hear you are planning on coming this year Danny. Hope to run into you again Dave and to meet you Troy.
Quote from: Davtona on December 05, 2009, 01:03:08 PM
Quote from: 69_500 on December 05, 2009, 08:59:41 AMThat being said I"m looking forward to seeing the 500 done one of these days so that I can :drool5: :drool5: :drool5: all over it. Looking forward to seeing you in St. Louis this year Allen.
:iagree:
Glad to hear you are planning on coming this year Danny. Hope to run into you again Dave and to meet you Troy.
:yesnod: :yesnod: :yesnod: :yesnod: :yesnod: :yesnod: :yesnod: alway a great show and always a pleasure to see you guys .
Let's all root Allen on !!!! GO Allen !!! GO Allen !!!!! :boogie:
GO ALLEN GO!! :2thumbs:
I plan to attend MMW 2010 as well... :yesnod: SEE Y'ALL THERE!
As far as the latest distraction, Blue Thunder's restoration will press on... no matter who Joe sends to harass me. Also, thanks for the supportive posts, PMs, and Emails...
On a more positive note, the wiring of my new storage building is nearing completion... :cheers:
Allen
Quote from: hemi68charger on December 03, 2009, 04:00:35 PM
Quote from: Kiwi68 on December 03, 2009, 01:42:31 PM
Yes, the wire straps (2) on the trunk floor extensions are attached on the AMD extension panels drivers side. I have a set here brand new, and they look great.
Why are there only 2? There should be 3.............
Troy
sorry chaps, typo there. Theer are 3 tabs. BTW, there are no jack mounts on them. You will need to attach those from your old extensions. Dunk
Quote from: xs29j8Bullitt on October 29, 2009, 10:43:25 AM
Can someone "photoshop" out the Hemi door badge & make it B5 Blue with a black C500 stripe... I need a boost to keep shoveling money into it... :P :eek2: :lol:
Done.
:drool5: :drool5: :drool5: :drool5: :drool5: although in that lighting it looks B-7 but still :drool5: :drool5: :drool5: :drool5: :drool5: :drool5: :drool5: :drool5: :drool5: :drool5:
Ok, how 'bout now?
Quote from: Magnumcharger on December 07, 2009, 05:30:59 PM
Quote from: xs29j8Bullitt on October 29, 2009, 10:43:25 AM
Can someone "photoshop" out the Hemi door badge & make it B5 Blue with a black C500 stripe... I need a boost to keep shoveling money into it... :P :eek2: :lol:
Done.
Thanks Robin! :coolgleamA: I will use this picture as my new computer wallpaper when I get home tonight... :drool5: :drool5: :drool5:
Robin also did some nice work with that 500 ad :2thumbs: .A actual ad was in April 69 Teen magazine
http://www.dodgecharger.com/forum/index.php/topic,39165.0.html
Quote from: Magnumcharger on December 07, 2009, 06:12:23 PM
Ok, how 'bout now?
:drool5: :drool5: :drool5: :drool5: :drool5: :drool5: :drool5: :drool5:
I received eight new photos from Greg in the last few days. Below are photos of the inner quarter panel upper seam being heated to remove the epoxy coating prior to the tinning operation, the application of tin, the end result of the tinning and the application of lead. Also included are the photos of the seam sealer application and the priming of the inner quarter panel leaded joints.
Greg has also apparently found warpage on the Dutchman panel like was found on Geno's Daytona:
QuoteThis evening as I was block sanding the Dutchman panel area, I discovered some warping on it most likely caused by the original plug install, and some small dents that were previously unnoticed until sanding today. Both are nearly complete and will be ready for paint tomorrow.
The next step is painting of the area between the sail panels prior to installation of the plug...
Have a Merry Christmas and a very Aero New Year!
Allen
The other four pictures...
Oh Allen !!!! I can already smell the paint !!!!! :2thumbs:
Looking great.........
Merry Christmas.........
Troy
Looking great Allen - keep pushing forward!
Hope you had a Merry Christmas!
BZ
The C500 is starting to feel a little blue... some new pictures from Greg
More new pictures coming soon.
Quote from: xs29j8Bullitt on December 29, 2009, 08:28:56 AM
The C500 is starting to feel a little blue... some new pictures from Greg
More new pictures coming soon.
Excellent !!!! I remember those days of "first paint" on the '68..... The light at the end of the tunnel's getting closer........
Troy
blue :drool5: :drool5: :drool5: :drool5: :2thumbs: :2thumbs: :2thumbs:
Looks very nice Allen. :drool5: Thats got to feel good seeing that picture. :2thumbs:
Quote from: hemi68charger on December 29, 2009, 08:44:32 AM
Quote from: xs29j8Bullitt on December 29, 2009, 08:28:56 AM
The C500 is starting to feel a little blue... some new pictures from Greg
More new pictures coming soon.
Excellent !!!! I remember those days of "first paint" on the '68..... The light at the end of the tunnel's getting closer........
Troy
Yeah... but you know what they say about lights at the end of tunnels... might be a freight train! :eek2: :lol:
I am just enjoying another mild Texas Winter day like I did on Christmas Eve... :P
I am glad that I put 100 miles on Scarlett yesterday instead of waiting until the one year anniversary on New Years Eve... :cheers:
Frosty
Woohoo Allen.....looking great! The colour looks amazing just from that one little area shot! How hard was it to get the dents out of the dutchman? Do you happen to know? My '69 has a nice dent right in the middle of the dutchman :brickwall:
I agree. That 1969 version of Chrysler's B5 has to be one of the greatest colors ever sprayed on a car.
Quote from: 69bronzeT5 on December 29, 2009, 06:21:27 PM
Woohoo Allen.....looking great! The colour looks amazing just from that one little area shot! How hard was it to get the dents out of the dutchman? Do you happen to know? My '69 has a nice dent right in the middle of the dutchman :brickwall:
The large one was fairly easy from what Greg said, but I believe some small ones remain. In this case they could all stay... part of Blue Thunder's Creative Industries' heritage... :lol: Just as long as dents aren't visible when the car is assembled...
Man Allen........... Looks white !!!!! My 1st snow, right there in your neck of the woods,,,,,, Jan.'88 Carswell AFB, Ft. Worth Texas....
Troy
Quote from: xs29j8Bullitt on December 29, 2009, 06:15:35 PM
I am just enjoying another mild Texas Winter day like I did on Christmas Eve... :P
Frosty
Well Allen looks to me like you got some of that "Good Weather" as you called it that you get this time of year. :smilielol: If you want more of it I could maybe send a foot of it down to you. :lol: We've got plenty to spare. :eek2:
Quote from: Davtona on December 29, 2009, 10:14:43 PM
Quote from: xs29j8Bullitt on December 29, 2009, 06:15:35 PM
I am just enjoying another mild Texas Winter day like I did on Christmas Eve... :P
Frosty
Well Allen looks to me like you got some of that "Good Weather" as you called it that you get this time of year. :smilielol: If you want more of it I could maybe send a foot of it down to you. :lol: We've got plenty to spare. :eek2:
I thought that might get a reaction from you... looks like the highs out your way are going to be in the single digits today... :nana:
The little blue area on the C500 is now shiney. Attached are new photos showing the color sanding, buffing and polishing process on the Dutchman panel. Also included are photos of the plug perimeter support strips being installed.
Allen
GOING AERO AGAIN... RE-PLUGGED!
Attached are the remainder of the photos including the plug welding process. If you look closely at the photo of the left side of the plug welding, you can see the marks for the "Charger" emblem.
The New Year is off to a great start! :yesnod:
:scope: thats looking good :drool5: , nice work going on there :yesnod:
:2thumbs:
Alright Allen !! Lookin' great................
Quote from: hemi68charger on January 03, 2010, 04:23:09 PM
:2thumbs:
Alright Allen !! Lookin' great................
:iagree:
Looking forward to many pictures of progress in 2010!
Quote from: Hemidog on January 05, 2010, 12:06:32 PM
Quote from: hemi68charger on January 03, 2010, 04:23:09 PM
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Alright Allen !! Lookin' great................
:iagree:
Looking forward to many pictures of progress in 2010!
Thanks guys... I believe that there will be a lot of progress made in the next 4-6 weeks! :yesnod:
Pluggin' away at getting the lead in... ;)
Here are the latest progress pictures from Greg... with a description from his Email
QuoteAttached are photos showing the rear plug leading process. The first and second photos show the M.I.G. tack welds after they were ground level with the plug and surrounding body metal surfaces (quarter panel sail panels and roof panel). The third and fourth photos show the initial lead application.
Four more with Greg's description...
QuotePhoto number 1 shows the lead after application, while numbers 2 and 3 show the lead being filed and sanded smooth after application. There are differing opinions regarding the use of lead due to the heat and an open flame (especially critical in the plug installation due to the opening between the plug and the surrounding metal areas.) Because of the support strips on the rear plug, there is a barrier for heat and open flame to the inner painted surfaces. Additionally, the leaded joints will have a tensile strength in excess of 7000 psi which makes lead the best choice for the final plug bonding process especially when followed by application of a quality metal reinforced surface filler.
Photo number 4 is showing the application of the Fiberglass Evercoat Metal to Metal Surface filler application. This step filled in the low areas surrounding the lead joints, while providing strength and a barrier coat to the lead from the paint surface.
Allen this is my favorite car and build, Good luck! :cheers:
looking real good now Allen :drool5: keep the pictures coming :2thumbs:
:popcrn:
She's looking great Alllen. :2thumbs:
Damn Allen did you drop off the face of the earth or what i keep checking to see the update on your 500 hows it going. :popcrn:
Alright Allen, back in the swing of things......... :2thumbs:
Quote from: hemi24 on March 12, 2010, 02:35:43 PM
Damn Allen did you drop off the face of the earth or what i keep checking to see the update on your 500 hows it going. :popcrn:
No, i am still around... :nixon: but have been busy with work and family business.
While I did not drop off the face of the Earth, I have been snowed in several times... including by the "Great North Texas Blizzard of 010"... 14.4 inches in one day. The back of one of my Polaras even had an avalanche... lost electric power for most of a day, and almost had to open a can of Spam to eat. :eek2:
Pics below...
Greg & I have been exchanging detail pictures... kind of boring, so I have not been posting them.
Examples below...
The most recent pictures that I have received from about 2-3 weeks ago. It has been about 10 days since I spoke with Greg, so I will call him soon...
Somethin' about a Charger on a rotisserie that says "I'm on my way!" :2thumbs:
Hey who ever said that detail photos are boring? Whoever that was I would be afraid to let them sift through my stacks of photographs. Because I think that 70% if not more of my total photo's that I have are detail photo's. I personally like them. :)
Car is coming along very nicely Allen. Can't wait for the day that you finish it up so that I can check it out and take ton's of pictures of my own of it.
been wondering whats been happening ! good pictures , looking like a C500 now the rear plugs in & shaped up :coolgleamA: love looking at this sort of thing :popcrn:
Wow Allen.... The car looks great AND, that's a LOT of snow !!!!
I received a new batch of C500 progress pictures tonight... but won't have the time to resize/crop them until the weekend (probably).
Gotta catch up on sleep tonight... ZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZ :yesnod:
Quote from: Magnumcharger on March 13, 2010, 04:52:00 PM
Somethin' about a Charger on a rotisserie that says "I'm on my way!" :2thumbs:
More rotisserie pics Robin... :icon_smile_big:
And more...
Preparing to prime the C500 early last week... should be in primer by now. :coolgleamA:
:drool5: :drool5: :drool5: :drool5: :drool5: cant wait to see the poka-dots :D
Hey Allen, I'm a little late to the party here but glad to see you got my 14.4" care package of "good weather" I sent down. :smilielol: I can see where you would be snowed in with that much. That would give us headaches also and we're used to it. Cars looking good and moving along nicely. I vote for no polka-dots though. :eek2:
Quote from: Davtona on March 28, 2010, 11:49:02 AM
Hey Allen, I'm a little late to the party here but glad to see you got my 14.4" care package of "good weather" I sent down. :smilielol: I can see where you would be snowed in with that much. That would give us headaches also and we're used to it. Cars looking good and moving along nicely. I vote for no polka-dots though. :eek2:
:shruggy: :'( :'( :'( :'( :'( :'( :'( not even pretty pink ones ?
Nope no polka-dots. Not even pink ones. :lol:
Quote from: Davtona on March 28, 2010, 11:49:02 AM
Hey Allen, I'm a little late to the party here but glad to see you got my 14.4" care package of "good weather" I sent down. :smilielol: I can see where you would be snowed in with that much. That would give us headaches also and we're used to it. Cars looking good and moving along nicely. I vote for no polka-dots though. :eek2:
Hi-Ya Dave... Glad you 'fessed up on the "Texas Blizzard" being your fault! ;) OK... no pink dots... sorry Stuart! :nana:
I checked my Email when I got up this morning... MORE PICS HAVE ARRIVED... I will post when I have the time to resize & crop.
Quote from: xs29j8Bullitt on March 30, 2010, 07:07:08 AM
... MORE PICS HAVE ARRIVED... I will post when I have the time to resize & crop.
WooooHoooo !!!! :boogie:
always look forward to any pictures you post allen.
That car is going to make me :drool5: when finished
:coolgleamA: :scope:,,,,,,,, :popcrn:
I have been stuck at work late... might have to post the pics later in the week... :P
Quote from: xs29j8Bullitt on March 30, 2010, 05:06:00 PM
I have been stuck at work late... might have to post the pics later in the week... :P
gotta pay the bills
Quote from: moparstuart on March 30, 2010, 09:32:54 PM
Quote from: xs29j8Bullitt on March 30, 2010, 05:06:00 PM
I have been stuck at work late... might have to post the pics later in the week... :P
gotta pay the bills
That's what got me out of bed this morning at 3:20 AM... :eek2:
Quote from: xs29j8Bullitt on March 31, 2010, 06:26:03 AM
Quote from: moparstuart on March 30, 2010, 09:32:54 PM
Quote from: xs29j8Bullitt on March 30, 2010, 05:06:00 PM
I have been stuck at work late... might have to post the pics later in the week... :P
gotta pay the bills
That's what got me out of bed this morning at 3:20 AM... :eek2:
Dang boy,, are you getting up early to suite up for a test flight !!?? :o
Quote from: hemi68charger on March 31, 2010, 06:58:24 AM
Quote from: xs29j8Bullitt on March 31, 2010, 06:26:03 AM
Quote from: moparstuart on March 30, 2010, 09:32:54 PM
Quote from: xs29j8Bullitt on March 30, 2010, 05:06:00 PM
I have been stuck at work late... might have to post the pics later in the week... :P
gotta pay the bills
That's what got me out of bed this morning at 3:20 AM... :eek2:
Dang boy,, are you getting up early to suite up for a test flight !!?? :o
:smilielol: I couldn't fit in anything we buiild in Ft Worth... just my regular get-up time now-a-days! :P
Quote from: xs29j8Bullitt on March 31, 2010, 07:10:39 AM
Quote from: hemi68charger on March 31, 2010, 06:58:24 AM
Quote from: xs29j8Bullitt on March 31, 2010, 06:26:03 AM
Quote from: moparstuart on March 30, 2010, 09:32:54 PM
Quote from: xs29j8Bullitt on March 30, 2010, 05:06:00 PM
I have been stuck at work late... might have to post the pics later in the week... :P
gotta pay the bills
That's what got me out of bed this morning at 3:20 AM... :eek2:
Dang boy,, are you getting up early to suite up for a test flight !!?? :o
:smilielol: I couldn't fit in anything we buiild in Ft Worth... just my regular get-up time now-a-days! :P
Wow, and time to reply...................... You multi-tasking fool !!!! Oh, this is one of the benefits on working on Workstations... :D
Latest C500 pictures received this week..
Four more pics...
Another 4... :icon_smile_big:
Last two pictures for now... more expected soon... :cheers:
Looking great Allen!!!!! I can't wait until my '69 is at that point :2thumbs:
looks good !! once the primer is on, they always look like its getting some where now :yesnod: great stuff ! looking forward to seeing more pictures :drool5: :popcrn:
wow, a nice milestone to have it in primer now. Good work :2thumbs:
Looking great Allen! Can't wait to see some color on your car!
BZ
Thanks guys... I believe Greg is doing a great job! :cheers:
Here goes with a post that has been a popular point of discussion on this thread and other restoration threads as of late... I guess that I will have to take a couple of demerits because I don't consider it a critical feature of the restoration, especially a non-concours one like mine.
Charger rear valance end caps to valance gaps... The top two pictures are from my C500 during dis-assembly, and the other two are of a 1970 Charger quarter panel.
At one time I considered doing a "Wilson" like on Home Improvement, and always have the gaps partially hidden in the pictures that I posted... :D :smilielol:
Here is the final configuration of my C500...
You only have to insert PENNIES to fund the resto?? :smilielol:
It's getting there. :2thumbs:
Looking good Allen.. :2thumbs:
:scope: looks good :yesnod: , good close up of the original also :yesnod: :popcrn:
Quote from: UFO on April 05, 2010, 09:24:51 PM
You only have to insert PENNIES to fund the resto?? :smilielol:
It's getting there. :2thumbs:
Yep... but they gotta be ultra rare collector grade pennies! :P
Below are new photos showing the block sanding of the C500. Here are quotes from Greg's emails explaining details of last week's priming pictures...
QuoteAttached are the photos of the block sanding process on your car.
The previous photos sent showed your car as it was sprayed with PPG DP 50 Epoxy Primer prior to the PPG DPS 3055 primer surfacer. One wet coat of the DP was followed by 3 wet coats of the DPS. The primer was allowed to cure for 4 days prior to the block sanding process. 3M 240 grit sand paper was used to sand the primer. Immediately following the block sanding process.
Once the final primer coat is applied I will switch gears and focus on interior and underbody finishing- mimicking the factory over sprayed paint look.
QuoteI forgot to mention that the guide coat that I am using is UPOL aerosol black- same composition as 3M dry guide coat- but much easier to apply and it won't spill if kicked by accident.
Schwing !!!!!
Three more pictures...
Lookin good man. I'm loving the progress.
Cody
looking good , sure makes blocking primer easier when you can alter the car to the best position :yesnod:
Yes... Its Baaaack!!!... Again... :icon_smile_big:
After a 3+ month hiatus, work has started on Blue Thunder again... hopefully this will be the "final push" as far as bodywork and paint. But then the assembly process will begin... so the restoration still has a long way to go. Due to my continuing health issues, the assembly of the car will have to be farmed out.
Robin (MagnumCharger) tracked me down on one of the new Challenger forums and made it clear he wanted to see the car finished in his lifetime... so we'll try! :lol: Even the server hosting the Charger Forum is giving me a hard time, suggesting that I might consider starting over:
(http://i66.photobucket.com/albums/h269/xs29j8/Animated%20GIFs%20Etc/C500ThreadAgeWarning072010.jpg)
Last week I received a new batch of pictures showing the C500 undergoing final prep prior to painting. First the engine bay, trunk interior, floorboards, and bottom of the car will be painted... painting of the body will be done last of course. Here are some of the pictures from last week's batch showing final spot repairs...
Four more pictures showing the final touch-up prior to final priming & painting...
Priming again... :cheers:
Goin' B5 Blue!!! (http://i66.photobucket.com/albums/h269/xs29j8/Animated%20GIFs%20Etc/happyanim.gif) (http://i66.photobucket.com/albums/h269/xs29j8/Animated%20GIFs%20Etc/happyanim.gif) (http://i66.photobucket.com/albums/h269/xs29j8/Animated%20GIFs%20Etc/happyanim.gif)
Here are the first pictures of paint progress on the C500... thanks to Ken (HemiTyme) for providing these in his recent thread. Blue Thunder was granted the honor of being a guest in HemiTyme's Bird's Nest, a rare privilege for a non-winged thing... ;) Thanks again for all your help Ken!!!
Final three pictures for now...
Note the correctly restored "sloppy" over-spray of the "primed" bottom side of the car... although the correct look was achieved, steps were taken to prevent the surface rust spotting "bleed through" that quickly occurred on the newly built cars "back-in-the-day".
:o looking real good :drool5: :yesnod: :popcrn: :coolgleamA:
Super! :2thumbs:
Good to see another 500 getting a nudge along. I had the same server warning updating my thread yesterday too. Your 500 is looking nice :2thumbs:
Lookin' real purty there Allen!
But this doesn't mean I'm going to stop stalking you.... :coolgleamA:
Actually: I've posted there ever since I became a card carrying 2010 Challenger owner. Gotta spread the wealth....you know what I mean! :smilielol:
Quote from: Magnumcharger on July 20, 2010, 03:13:41 PM
Lookin' real purty there Allen!
But this doesn't mean I'm going to stop stalking you.... :coolgleamA:
Thanks Robin... It sure is nice seeing the C500 starting the long road back to being a "real" car as opposed to a loose conglomeration of parts spread out over two states... (http://i66.photobucket.com/albums/h269/xs29j8/Animated%20GIFs%20Etc/happyanim.gif)
Quote from: Magnumcharger on July 20, 2010, 03:13:41 PM
Actually: I've posted there ever since I became a card carrying 2010 Challenger owner. Gotta spread the wealth....you know what I mean! :smilielol:
I have seen you post there before as well as on Moparts... I am registered on over two dozen forums (as "xs29j8" on most), but mostly hang out here and on Moparts. Recently I even joined a new Camaro forum to participate in some of the Challenger vs Camaro vs Mustang threads... ;) One of the 5th Gen Camaro owners has a thread going about buying his wife either a Challenger or Mustang, so I posted a promo picture of a Plum Crazy 2010 Challenger R/T and simply said "Challenger! Of Course!".
Congrats on getting your PCP Challenger... I know you waited a loooong time for them to make that color available! :cheers: I hope that you like your new jewel as much as I like "Scarlett". I plan to take the Challenger in to a Dealer tomorrow for a couple of minor warranty fixes... mostly software updates and a new heavier duty battery and heavier guage grounding cables. Apparently some owners have been having "hot starting problems" so mo' battery & mo' grounding cable diameter are the solution. The only actual problem that I have had so far was the "key fob not detected" one that occurred when I tried to leave a cruise at the local Chrysler Parts Depot in Carrollton... had to pop out the "Start/Stop" button in the dash and use the key fob as a key. Apparently there is a software fix for this known problem, but there have been a couple people saying their Dealer also replaced a passive emitter in the dash...? :shruggy:
Here is "Scarlett" at the parts depot cruise-in...
Quote from: tan top on July 20, 2010, 11:14:34 AM
:o looking real good :drool5: :yesnod: :popcrn: :coolgleamA:
Quote from: b5blue on July 20, 2010, 01:59:52 PM
Super! :2thumbs:
Quote from: Kiwi68 on July 20, 2010, 02:15:23 PM
Good to see another 500 getting a nudge along. I had the same server warning updating my thread yesterday too. Your 500 is looking nice :2thumbs:
Thanks guys... Gonna go check out Kiwi's restoration thread now. I need to see how his C500 project is coming along... probably easily beating Blue Thunder's progress like everyone else on the forum doing a restoration! :P
Allen
If it makes you feel any better Allen your restoration is way further along than my restoration of my C500 is. I mean heck I haven't even started to think about it yet. :nana: Ok so I have thought about it but not done anything towards it.
Car looks good now that it has some B5 blue on it.
Quote from: 69_500 on July 20, 2010, 06:30:12 PM
If it makes you feel any better Allen your restoration is way further along than my restoration of my C500 is. I mean heck I haven't even started to think about it yet. :nana: Ok so I have thought about it but not done anything towards it.
Car looks good now that it has some B5 blue on it.
Even by not having started, you are still ahead of me in some ways... there have been several running/driving C500s that have sold for the amount that I have already spent on Blue Thunder. I am including the about $15,000 or so wasted in the $19,000+ fiasco at the first "bodyshop"...
The pictures that Ken posted showing the first significant B5 Blue application lifted my spirits... (http://i66.photobucket.com/albums/h269/xs29j8/Animated%20GIFs%20Etc/happyanim.gif)
I need to start gathering up some of the C500 parts to take them wherever the car will be assembled... and gather other parts up to sell to finance the final push to finish the C500.
Allen
Nah I'm not ahead of you at all Allen. Remember that in your Dodge Mahal you have what I want already a Daytona. So until I get one of those in the garage next to the C500 there is not a chance in the world that I'll be tearing this one down to restore it. Gotta save all my pennies to get a Daytona.
Quote from: xs29j8Bullitt on July 20, 2010, 09:58:55 AM
Yes... Its Baaaack!!!... Again... :icon_smile_big:
After a 3+ month hiatus, work has started on Blue Thunder again... hopefully this will be the "final push" as far as bodywork and paint. But then the assembly process will begin... so the restoration still has a long way to go. Due to my continuing health issues, the assembly of the car will have to be farmed out.
Quote from: xs29j8Bullitt on July 20, 2010, 10:27:09 AM
Goin' B5 Blue!!! (http://i66.photobucket.com/albums/h269/xs29j8/Animated%20GIFs%20Etc/happyanim.gif) (http://i66.photobucket.com/albums/h269/xs29j8/Animated%20GIFs%20Etc/happyanim.gif) (http://i66.photobucket.com/albums/h269/xs29j8/Animated%20GIFs%20Etc/happyanim.gif)
Well, here we are another two months down the road, and I'm saying it again... :shruggy: :icon_smile_big:
But I expect that this time it will really happen... the exterior paint will be applied in the next few weeks! :yesnod: :yesnod: :yesnod:
Earlier this week I purchased the final batch of materials for the C500, including the clear coat for the exterior paint. I received the pictures attached in this post and the next two posts earlier in the week also, showing the final prep & painting of the remaining non-exterior areas like the insides of the fenders and underside of the hood.
Here are the pictures showing the final prep & priming of the insides of the fenders...
Pictures showing the final prep , priming, and painting of the underside of the hood... As I have said all along, the restoration is not a perfectly true to "as factory finished" build. I am having all exposed bare metal covered with a protective finish, usually primed and painted. In some more visible areas (like the underside of the uni-body), a fake "primer" coat will be applied over the B5 Blue paint, and in other less visible areas the paint will be left as is. In five years, the B5 paint will look a lot better than the surface rust would...
Another step closer Allen. I will need to do the inside of my fenders soon too. How were yours cleaned up?
Duncan
Quote from: Kiwi68 on September 17, 2010, 02:32:58 PM
Another step closer Allen. I will need to do the inside of my fenders soon too. How were yours cleaned up?
Duncan
Yes... it is getting there, and the C500 has come a long way...
The initial stripping of the dismounted fenders were done when the uni-body and all loose sheetmetal components were plastic media blasted. The soft plastic media does a fine job on paint removal, but does not cut though surface rust well, so spot clean-up by lightly sandblasting on the inside surfaces of the fenders was required. One of the attached pictures below shows small surface rust patches remaining on the underside of the uni-body after plastic media blasting as an example. Final clean-up and prep was done by hand prior to priming, but I am not sure what exactly Greg did during that final prep... I hope that answers your question Duncan...
The final new C500 picture is below after the stripping pics. I will post more when I get them... soon I hope! :yesnod:
Allen
Hey Allen, she's sure looking good. Love that smooth prep work and paint on the inner panels. You know I just noticed how close our vins are, I've got 238077 and another friend of mine has 080. All three of our cars are 440/4-speeds too. Actually I think Rick's T5 440/4speed car is also pretty close to ours as well? Must have built the 4-speed cars in a batch. My scheduled build day was Nov 20 but Galen had said that the actual date was probably closer to the first week of December.
Great Job, looking forward to cruising with you next year at one of the shows. :2thumbs:
WINGR/Steve
Quote from: WINGR on September 17, 2010, 03:48:20 PM
Hey Allen, she's sure looking good. Love that smooth prep work and paint on the inner panels. You know I just noticed how close our vins are, I've got 238077 and another friend of mine has 080. All three of our cars are 440/4-speeds too. Actually I think Rick's T5 440/4speed car is also pretty close to ours as well? Must have built the 4-speed cars in a batch. My scheduled build day was Nov 20 but Galen had said that the actual date was probably closer to the first week of December.
Great Job, looking forward to cruising with you next year at one of the shows. :2thumbs:
WINGR/Steve
my car is 217188 and danny told me mine should be schedule date of B20 ?? nov 20
Quote from: xs29j8Bullitt on September 17, 2010, 02:56:47 PM
I hope that answers your question Duncan...
Allen
It does thanks. I have been contemplating how to do mine. I was going to get them sandblasted, but not confident they will come out straight. Last things I took in to get blasted they made a meal of, so was thinking bead blasting or soda blasting. Might be too much surface rust for soda. I have already removed most of it with a plastic paint strip disc. I think a light sandblast might be the ticket, so will try a different sandblaster.
Quote from: WINGR on September 17, 2010, 03:48:20 PM
Hey Allen, she's sure looking good. Love that smooth prep work and paint on the inner panels. You know I just noticed how close our vins are, I've got 238077 and another friend of mine has 080. All three of our cars are 440/4-speeds too. Actually I think Rick's T5 440/4speed car is also pretty close to ours as well? Must have built the 4-speed cars in a batch. My scheduled build day was Nov 20 but Galen had said that the actual date was probably closer to the first week of December.
Great Job, looking forward to cruising with you next year in a few years at one of the shows. :2thumbs:
WINGR/Steve
Thanks Steve, yes we are close on the VIN numbers with mine being 238071. Rick's T5 is 238099... that number being seared in my brain after all the drama... Chrysler seemed to run a lot of models through in batches, like my Hemi `Cuda and one belonging to a friend... both 4 Speeds, VIN numbers only 10 apart. His brother's A12 Super Bee is only one off from another A12 Super Bee in the area, both Automatics.
Oh, and I fixed the typo in your last sentence... :lol: After only getting to this point after almost 3 years, you surely don't expect me to commit to having it cruising at Monster Mopar next year... but maybe the stars will line up... Oh, wait, that happens in December of 2012 :eek2: :lol:
BTW, I might be getting close to having the uni-body frame repair work started on the Daytona... The guy that I always wanted to do the repair is now interested in the project, and we are going to discuss the trade of my 1969 440 Charger R/T project car in trade for his talented repair of the Daytona... :coolgleamA:
Allen
Quote from: Kiwi68 on September 17, 2010, 04:09:35 PM
Quote from: xs29j8Bullitt on September 17, 2010, 02:56:47 PM
I hope that answers your question Duncan...
Allen
It does thanks. I have been contemplating how to do mine. I was going to get them sandblasted, but not confident they will come out straight. Last things I took in to get blasted they made a meal of, so was thinking bead blasting or soda blasting. Might be too much surface rust for soda. I have already removed most of it with a plastic paint strip disc. I think a light sandblast might be the ticket, so will try a different sandblaster.
Duncan - I have seen entire car bodies stripped with a sand blaster with out any sheetmetal warpage, while other cars have been ruined by sandblasting... Get a talented sand blaster, and pay him "by the hour"... I believe some of the problem is the blaster's rushing to get done with a job, and on to the next paying job. For a small job like this you should probably ask to be on hand to watch/assist.
Below are some pics of the light sandblasting done on the uni-body and loose sheetmetal like the rear window plug shown. Notice how far away he is holding the spray nozzle...
Good luck with your touch-up... should not be a problem. For the very small localized areas that you are probably having done, maybe something like a cold pack applied to the backside would provide a little extra assurance...? :shruggy:
Allen
Looking good Allen..
Glad to see you're making continual progress on the C500..... Good luck with the next steps. I know you're chomping at the bits to get'er done........
:2thumbs:
Quote from: hemi68charger on September 18, 2010, 06:42:36 AM
Looking good Allen..
Glad to see you're making continual progress on the C500..... Good luck with the next steps. I know you're chomping at the bits to get'er done........
:2thumbs:
Thanks Troy... Blue Thunder is starting on a roll... I hope! Rolling Thunder... here we go with more progress pictures.
First pic shows the hood being dry blocked...
Second pic shows the wet sanding of the hood...
The current plan is to finish work on all loose sheetmetal parts (hood, doors, deck lid, etc) by Wednesday. Then those parts will be taken over to Ken's place for final fitting and final installation. After that...
Exterior Paint!... Lots'a B5 Blue baby!!! :icon_smile_big:
looking good :yesnod: :popcrn:
Here a a few pics showing the installation of the bumper stop plates on the bottom side of the hood near the front...
These are the clip-on pieces found on 1969 Charger hoods, but not 1968 Charger hoods IIRC...
These were left on by the previous body shop because they "did not know the parts were removable"... at least that is what the body shop owner told me... :brickwall:
First pic shows the mess left from the first body shop, when they finally removed them while trying to fix the other major disaster... the inexcusable application of Rust Bullet with a #$%@&! brush, with the resulting brush stokes extremely visible through the B5 paint when applied. Sanding that rock hard cr@p off was very labor intensive, but it is finally gone! Greg has applied the same Rust Bullet material with a spray gun to the Charger 500 in areas like the underside of the car and sub-frames with excellent results! Great product so far... when properly applied!
The second pic show the painted bumper plate on the RH side prior to installation, and the third pic after installation. The fourth pic show the left side plate installed.
Quote from: tan top on September 20, 2010, 05:22:56 PM
looking good :yesnod: :popcrn:
Thanks Tan Top... now for some "real purdy" pictures IMO... :yesnod:
These last four pics show the painted "inside" portions of the deck lid and doors...
As Stu would say... :drool5: :drool5: :drool5: :drool5: :drool5: :drool5: :drool5: :drool5: :drool5: :drool5: :drool5: :drool5: :drool5: :drool5: :drool5: :drool5: :drool5: :drool5: :icon_smile_big:
Nice.
Does your heart rate go way up when you open the email's from the shop?
Quote from: UFO on September 20, 2010, 06:05:33 PM
Nice.
Does your heart rate go way up when you open the email's from the shop?
Thanks, and yes it does... I may need to be sedated when the "All B5" pictures arrive! :icon_smile_wink:
The last two years have been tough ones for me, and now would be a good time for some great news for a change...
:drool5: :drool5: :drool5: :drool5: :drool5:
Quote from: xs29j8Bullitt on September 20, 2010, 05:41:04 PM
Quote from: tan top on September 20, 2010, 05:22:56 PM
looking good :yesnod: :popcrn:
Thanks Tan Top... now for some "real purdy" pictures IMO... :yesnod:
These last four pics show the painted "inside" portions of the deck lid and doors...
As Stu would say... :drool5: :drool5: :drool5: :drool5: :drool5: :drool5: :drool5: :drool5: :drool5: :drool5: :drool5: :drool5: :drool5: :drool5: :drool5: :drool5: :drool5: :drool5: :icon_smile_big:
:yesnod: :yesnod: :yesnod: u took the drool right out of my mouth :2thumbs: :2thumbs: :2thumbs:
Wow, thats really looking good Allen! :drool5: :drool5: :drool5: Are you planning on staying with a black stripe and Magnums, or something different?
Quote from: richRTSE on September 21, 2010, 05:13:43 PM
Wow, thats really looking good Allen! :drool5: :drool5: :drool5: Are you planning on staying with a black stripe and Magnums, or something different?
Thanks! Staying with the black C500 stripe, and using reproduction W23 Recall Wheels that I believe will look great on the car. The "silver" look of the wheels should go well with all that B5!
Something like this:
Allen, haven't checked in in a while.....the progress is coming along great! B5 is one of my favorite colors (next to Hemi Orange of course)!
:thumbs: :drool5:
Chris
Quote from: Just 6T9 CHGR on September 21, 2010, 07:18:10 PM
Allen, haven't checked in in a while.....the progress is coming along great! B5 is one of my favorite colors (next to Hemi Orange of course)!
:thumbs: :drool5:
Chris
Thanks Chris! Glad you stopped in for a look... sorry this has been dragging out so long. Between the first body shop fiasco and other curves that life threw at me, its taken almost three years to get to this point. But now I am expecting major progress soon, the application of exterior paint.
With the weather starting to cool off, I need to start gathering up the loose parts to send off for sub-assembly work and final installation. Still a lot of loose ends to work out...
Speaking of loose ends, do I owe you any 1969 Charger data for your registry? Have I sent you fender tag & broadcast sheet info on my 1969s, i.e. Charger 500, Daytona, & Charger R/T... also a parts car Charger? The C500 & Daytona bc sheets are not the correct ones, and I am not sure the parts car has a fender tag (no bc sheet).
Allen
Allan,
Everything is looking great!! I can't wait to see the body done and the assembly process begin. I hope you keep getting good news.
Chris
p.s. I found the negatives of my A4 69 Hemi 'Runner. If you'd like I can get them developed and mail them to you. PM me some time with your home address.
Quote from: moparchris on September 22, 2010, 01:39:23 PM
Allan,
Everything is looking great!! I can't wait to see the body done and the assembly process begin. I hope you keep getting good news.
Chris
p.s. I found the negatives of my A4 69 Hemi 'Runner. If you'd like I can get them developed and mail them to you. PM me some time with your home address.
Thanks Chris! I am sooo looking forward to the day it is at least back on the ground on all four wheels...
Hopefully it is now being fitted with the doors, fenders, hood, deck lid, etc in preparation for the application of a sea of B5 Blue!
If it is not too much trouble, I would like reprints of your A4 Hemi Road Runner... It is a small family of A4 Hemi cars, and I especially like the A4 '69 Runners! I will gladly reimburse printing and mailing costs.
Here is my A4 Hemi RR as purchased from a junkyard, and after a cheap repaint in the early 1980s.
Thanks again Chris, I will PM my address to you...
Allen
Hey Allen, that blue sure is looking good on those panels !!!! :2thumbs: You should have it ready for your next Cowtown Mopar show..
Allen, it's looking good.
How much of the car would you say had to be redone after pulling it from the first shop?
Quote from: Aero426 on September 23, 2010, 08:39:52 AM
Allen, it's looking good.
How much of the car would you say had to be redone after pulling it from the first shop?
Thanks Doug! Overall, I would say the vast majority was redone... it depends on the category of the work:
1) Stripping / Cleaning - The Plastic Media blasting was done by an outside company (not related to the first body shop) and was very well done, and although pricey ($2000)... was money well spent. The stripping & cleaning of some smaller parts like the hood hinges was done earlier by the first body shop, and although done well, could have been included in the parts sent to the media blaster. The biggest negative in this area is the
8 months the C500 sat at the first body shop in bare metal collecting rusty hand & finger prints, and being in real danger of getting serious surface rust. From the beginning I was assured the light sand blasting of surface rust spots and application of proper primers would be done "in a few days" or "next week", and after 5-6 months I rarely asked any more...
2) Weld repairs - The installation of the floorboard patches were done fairly well, as were most of the smaller weld repairs like the inner fender area where the battery tray bolts down to. There were a few areas like the rear wheel housings were the weld repairs were not as good, but functional at least.
3) Installation of the repro CBD quarter panels and repro AMD sheetmetal (trunk floor, trunk floor extensions, rear valance, valance corners, etc). Although never completed by the first body shop, there were already significant issues with the installation of the quarter panels and valance related parts. As far as I know, the trunk floor location was OK, but both quarter panels were off. One side was fairly close, the other had major location issues... both were adjusted. In addition to the quarter panel that was badly mis-located, the other WTH problem was the use of a body shop hammer to bash in the corners at the top of the interface with the door on both sides. The reason given was that the gap narrowed too much there, so he "fixed It". Interestingly enough, no other user of the CBD quarter panels had a similar issue, and the gap when the car was picked up was way too wide there. The new body shop had to work the corners back to their original "pre-hammer" condition. The only possible explanation that I can think of is that a mis-located quarter panel created a gap issue that was "fixed" with a hammer.
4) Bodywork / Filler / Paint - Pretty much a complete loss... virtually everything was redone (in fact, I cannot think of anything that was not redone). Still, it is possible that I am overlooking some small repair or paint like maybe hood hinges or deck lid spring, but I believe everything was redone. A major problem was the body line on the passenger door which was moved with a thin coating of filler, making it impossible to properly fit the door. At first I assumed the repro CBD was the problem, because I knew the door was original and clean with no collision damage. I left it to Greg to find the problem and the solution. He found the moved body line, and after removing the filler, the problem went away. Some how, in painting two doors, inside quarter panels lightly, hood hinges, deck lid torsion springs, hood underside, and side panels next to the rear seat... nearly a gallon of incredibly expensive paint was "used". I paid about $1400 for the two gallons IIRC, and only a gallon and a pint or so remained when I picked it up. A quick call to the local paint supplier confirmed that the "walk in off the street" price was about half of what I was charged...
Well, it is getting late and I am tired of typing... so here are a few related pictures. The last pic on my next post shows the "Rework" folder that I have started to document the issues with the first body shop...
A few more pics... then its time to get some sleep!
Edit: Fixed a typo on the pic showing the engine bay and re-attached it, so it is now last instead of the Rework folder screenshot...
Quote from: hemi68charger on September 23, 2010, 04:48:07 AM
Hey Allen, that blue sure is looking good on those panels !!!! :2thumbs: You should have it ready for your next Cowtown Mopar show..
Thanks Troy... I talked to Greg yesterday and he said the C500 is progressing well toward exterior paint. He found some small cracks starting on the front valance, so he is weld repairing them. Also doing final fit & assembly of the C500. If everything continues to go well, the application of exterior paint should occur in the next week... stay tuned!
Oh... apparently you have heard of a five year hiatus for the Cowtown Mopar RoundUp...?!? :scratchchin:
Allen, the car is fantastic! What cleaning preparation do they do prior to spraying Rust Bullet? Is it going inside frame rails and in hidden areas like between the hood and hood brace frame? I have searched the Rust Bullet sight and would like any "tips" or recommendations your guys may have if possible as they are truly professionals. Boy that B5 Blue is exciting to see coming together! You are building a "World Class Charger"! :cheers:
The "body line moved with filler pic" is awful. That would have been the first and last reason to pull the car from the 1st shop. The car's looking good, btw.
Quote from: b5blue on September 26, 2010, 08:53:19 AM
Allen, the car is fantastic! What cleaning preparation do they do prior to spraying Rust Bullet? Is it going inside frame rails and in hidden areas like between the hood and hood brace frame? I have searched the Rust Bullet sight and would like any "tips" or recommendations your guys may have if possible as they are truly professionals. Boy that B5 Blue is exciting to see coming together! You are building a "World Class Charger"! :cheers:
Thanks Neal! I will ask Greg next time I talk to him, but as far as I know the surface rust was removed where it was possible by spot sand blasting and hand "sanding". Greg always applied the Rust Bullet by spraying where ever possible, but may have had to use another method in "nooks & crannies". Brushing or "mopping" Rust Bullet
will leave very visible brush marks, and should only be done in hard to access areas that will not be visible later on...
As for "hidden" areas, like the area between the hood skin and brace frame, those are totally impractical to apply Rust Bullet or any similar material. The plan was to "mop" in Rust Bullet in the insides of the sub-frames were they were exposed by removal of the trunk floor and sections of the floorboard (see pictures below). The "brush marks" on the insides of the frames would be totally invisible when the new trunk floor and floorboard repair sections were installed. Rust Bullet was also supposed to be sprayed on in areas temporarily opened up due to the removal of the quarter panels and rear window plug. I doubt that Rust Bullet was applied to any of these areas while they were open and accessable. By the time the new shop got the car these areas were mostly closed off again. I guess I don't have a great concern about those areas of bare metal because they appeared to be in great shape after 40 years of being in the elements, and the C500 should have a more protected life from now on...
This project has been a real learning experience as intended, although tuition and class duration have been much greater than I expected. Blue Thunder was never intended to be a gold-standard restoration, and will be far short of that level. But it should be a very nice weekend driver...
Quote from: paironines on September 26, 2010, 09:29:59 AM
The "body line moved with filler pic" is awful. That would have been the first and last reason to pull the car from the 1st shop. The car's looking good, btw.
Thanks Ben, unfortunately I was unaware of the body line being moved until several months after the car was rescued from the first shop. The first time that I saw the painted doors installed on the C500 was the day we removed it from the first shop. At that time I assumed it was a problem with the line on the reproduction quarter panel... I have no idea why it was done, or if it was even moved intentionally... or just another "ooooops".
As far as Rust Bullet, it appears to be a very good product, and they have a well done and informative website:
http://www.rustbullet.com/ (http://www.rustbullet.com/)
There is a lot of technical information, including testing summaries. Time will tell how the product performs, but so far I have been very pleased with this company and the product. Seems a lot better than POR15 ...IMHO
I bought a good supply for the C500...
Thanks Allen, I have held off doing any body work on the 70 and hope to start soon. (Not wanting to make big mistakes) :cheers:
Progress toward final paint continues... pics from last week's effort...
Part of Greg's latest email explaining the pictures in the next few posts:
Quote
Attached are photos of the trimmed, sealed and base colored outsides of the hood, fenders and the doors.
The reason that the bolt on parts were base colored, was so that the possibility of overspray bleed could be kept to a minimum. This process is a part of the PPG MVP (Maximum Velocity Program) where the goal of the refinisher is to keep the final spray steps (and time in the booth) to a minimum while eliminating the sealing step (application of PPG DP Epoxy primer reduced as a sealer) and need for multiple base coat applications to achieve color hiding. This process also protects the jamb areas of the car body and bolt on parts, which is the main reason that process was chosen. Once the parts are assembled onto the body and final fitted, a light scuffing with a gray scuff pad is all that will be required to apply the final color coats and clear coats. The bolt on parts will be masked on the exterior surfaces (directly adjacent to the body) to prevent overspray build up on them until the car body has been sealed and base colored to hiding. Once hiding is achieved, the masking paper will be removed and additional color coats will be applied to the bolt on parts and body together to ensure color match. My plan is to bag (plastic mask) the insides of the doors, hood, fenders, underside, inside and decklid areas so that the doors and decklid will be able to be opened and closed for color and clear coat application and eliminate the possibility of a paint edge (commonly found when hard masking a jamb or opening area). This process will be better explained when the final painting is done and photographed which will take place this week.
These first pics show work on the front valance...
The doors, hood, and deck lid...
The fenders...
While looking at the pictures of the driver's side fender, I noticed the body line went too far forward. It is being corrected as I type this...
Here are some of the pics... last pics for now...
man thats awesome , allen your just like john madden with all your arrow ,lines and circles :smilielol: :nana:
Quote from: moparstuart on September 27, 2010, 02:51:56 PM
man thats awesome , allen your just like john madden with all your arrow ,lines and circles :smilielol: :nana:
He just needs a 'BAM !!!" or two in there...........
"Brett Favre wouldn't have taken that line too far because he is perfect at everything. Brett Favre would have done it right the first time, everytime.... BAM!" :smilielol: :smilielol: :icon_smile_big:
Justin
"CornDog"
Quote from: moparstuart on September 27, 2010, 02:51:56 PM
man thats awesome , allen your just like john madden with all your arrow ,lines and circles :smilielol: :nana:
Dazzling Eh? Stu... like you have been hyp-no-tized! :icon_smile_big:
The Charger 500 continues nearing the final exterior paint stage... now expected this weekend or early next week. Greg and I have been exchanging photos to do a final check on various items prior to paint. For example, today the question came up as to whether the quarter panel should have holes for beltline molding attachment along the top edge next to the rear side glass like the door does for the same beltline molding.
I went out to the Charger parts car that I have and took pictures like the ones below to answer the question...
The third pic below is a new one, dressed up for Stuart, Troy, & Justin... ;)
I will post the other dozen or so new pics tomorrow...
Allen
Quote from: moparstuart on September 27, 2010, 02:51:56 PM
man thats awesome , allen your just like john madden with all your arrow ,lines and circles :smilielol: :nana:
Left you speechless... Huh Stuart? :smilielol:
Here are the pictures without special effects...
Final assembly fitting & verifying contour matches and gaps is nearing completion. I just spoke with Greg again, and he said the hood is now installed and the fit is great. If the final things fall into place today, the C500 will be painted tomorrow...
BTW, I really need to thank Ken (HemiTyme) for all the help he has been behind the scenes. He has helped in numerous ways, including moving the C500 from shop to shop during the different stages of work. Also, Ken has provided technical support for Greg who is having to re-assemble something he did not take apart... He has even opened up his "Birds Nest" to the non-feathered, non-winged Charger 500.
Thanks Ken! :cheers: :wave:
These first pictures show fit & contour verification underway... new pics coming soon will show completed body assembly.
Allen
Fit checking loose parts like the side marker housings which will be painted separately to verify proper fit one last time. Also priming parts after final fit check & painting bolt heads prior to installation...
Last pics for now... more coming soon
The lower quarter panel/valance corner pieces had been somewhat mis-aligned since the original body shop installed them. The options have been to 1) do nothing, 2) completely remove and re-install/replace, 3) "tweak" the installed corners to get the best alignment possible without removing & replacing. The first three pictures below shows the "tweaking" option was selected... The last pic shows driver's side door fit and body line verification.
Oh the progress. !!! :2thumbs:
:drool5: :drool5: :drool5: :2thumbs: :2thumbs: :2thumbs: :smilielol: now back to the telestrator :rofl:
Looking good Allen. :2thumbs: I'm looking foward to seeing it B5 blue. :yesnod:
Thanks guys... When I last spoke to Greg about 6 hours ago, he was still expecting to paint the C500 tomorrow... He was finishing a few small spot repairs like the ones shown below, and we were trying to make sure we did not forget something important.
Greg said he will try to send more pics soon (maybe tonight), showing the C500 body fully assembled & ready for paint. Hopefully by this time tomorrow, the C500 will become "Blue Thunder!"... :coolgleamA:
The Eagle is Painted!!!!
Quote from: KORDSAUTO on October 03, 2010, 10:54:12 PM
The Eagle is Painted!!!!
(http://i66.photobucket.com/albums/h269/xs29j8/Animated%20GIFs%20Etc/happyanim.gif) (http://i66.photobucket.com/albums/h269/xs29j8/Animated%20GIFs%20Etc/happyanim.gif) (http://i66.photobucket.com/albums/h269/xs29j8/Animated%20GIFs%20Etc/happyanim.gif) (http://i66.photobucket.com/albums/h269/xs29j8/Animated%20GIFs%20Etc/happyanim.gif) (http://i66.photobucket.com/albums/h269/xs29j8/Animated%20GIFs%20Etc/happyanim.gif) (http://i66.photobucket.com/albums/h269/xs29j8/Animated%20GIFs%20Etc/xfireworks.gif) (http://i66.photobucket.com/albums/h269/xs29j8/Animated%20GIFs%20Etc/xflash.gif) (http://i66.photobucket.com/albums/h269/xs29j8/Animated%20GIFs%20Etc/xfireworks.gif)
(http://i66.photobucket.com/albums/h269/xs29j8/Animated%20GIFs%20Etc/xflag.jpg) (http://i66.photobucket.com/albums/h269/xs29j8/Animated%20GIFs%20Etc/xcelebrate.gif) (http://i66.photobucket.com/albums/h269/xs29j8/Animated%20GIFs%20Etc/xflag.jpg) ...and as Stu would say..............
:dance: :dance: :dance: :dance: :dance: :dance: :dance: :dance: :dance: :dance: :dance: :dance:
:woohoo: :woohoo: :woohoo: :woohoo: :woohoo: :woohoo:
Thanks for the great news Greg!
AND, Welcome to the forum!
And... like the guys 41 years ago,
I was about to turn B5 Blue... waiting for word about Blue Thunder's status. I was very tempted to call this afternoon, but distracted myself with a Mopar battery mod design that I plan to use first on Blue Thunder.
Talk to you tomorrow... and before someone else says it... send PICS! :icon_smile_big: :drool5: :lol:
Allen
:dance: ......... :popcrn:
Congrats Allen :2thumbs: :cheers:
Allright, now we're talking. Lots and lots of B5 blue, can' wait to see the pictures. :popcrn:
WINGR/Steve
happy happy joy joy
:wave: :dance: :dance: :dance: :dance: :dance: :dance: :dance: :dance: :dance: :dance: :dance: :dance: :dance: :dance: :dance: :dance: :dance: :dance: :dance: :dance: :dance: :dance: :dance: :dance: :dance: :dance: :dance: :dance: :dance: :dance: :dance: :dance: :dance: :dance: :dance: :dance: :dance: :dance: :dance: :dance: :dance: :dance: :dance: :dance: :dance: :dance: :dance:
You all know I'm :drool5:
Quote from: WINGR on October 04, 2010, 08:33:58 AM
Congrats Allen :2thumbs: :cheers:
Allright, now we're talking. Lots and lots of B5 blue, can' wait to see the pictures. :popcrn:
WINGR/Steve
Thanks Steve... I will re-size and post the pictures as soon as I receive them. I guess Greg is still cleaning up Blue Thunder after the paint job... from what he said beforehand, there was going to be a lot of areas masked off during the painting process to insure that there was no unintended over-spray. I believe that Greg will writeup a summary of how he painted the car.... but like many of you, I am mainly waiting for the "purdy" pictures... :yesnod:
I will try calling him again soon... :cheers:
Allen
To everyone following Allen's Charger progress,
Thank you for your patience and the kind words regarding the work performed to date. Allen is receiving completed paint pictures via e-mail now and I am relatively certain he will be posting them soon!
Greg Kordsmeier
Quote from: KORDSAUTO on October 04, 2010, 06:19:38 PM
To everyone following Allen's Charger progress,
Thank you for your patience and the kind words regarding the work performed to date. Allen is receiving completed paint pictures via e-mail now and I am relatively certain he will be posting them soon!
Greg Kordsmeier
Thanks Greg! :cheers:
Greg called and told me the C500 was painted Sunday evening, and will be moved tomorrow from the paint shop to the location where the sanding/polishing, etc will be done. I received five pictures... here are the first three...
Blue Thunder!... It's B5 Blue Baby! (http://i66.photobucket.com/albums/h269/xs29j8/Animated%20GIFs%20Etc/happyanim.gif)
Allen
The other two pics... :coolgleamA:
Great Allen :boogie:
Quote from: The70RT on October 04, 2010, 07:36:58 PM
Great Allen :boogie:
Thanks!... Looks like you have made good progress on your '70... :scope:
:drool5: :drool5: :drool5: Looks great Allen!
Quote from: richRTSE on October 04, 2010, 07:49:50 PM
:drool5: :drool5: :drool5: Looks great Allen!
Thanks!... I have new "wallpaper" for my desktop too... :boogie: :lol:
VERY NICE! CONGRATS :cheers:
AWESOME !!!!
Quote from: randr on October 04, 2010, 08:04:26 PM
VERY NICE! CONGRATS :cheers:
Thanks!... I saw your Daytona is flying right along... "Progress" is a good thread title, I think I jinxed my project by putting "long saga" in the title! :lol:
Quote from: 1HotDaytona on October 04, 2010, 08:18:16 PM
AWESOME !!!!
Thanks Brian! I am still absolutely amazed at the job you did on your Daytona in a very short period of time... well, at least my C500 is finally getting there (not that it will be running anytime soon). It has probably been 40 years or more since it was this blue & shiny... :coolgleamA:
Sweet!
Soon you'll be cruisin while a bunch of us are shoveling that white stuff. :lol:
Quote from: xs29j8Bullitt on October 04, 2010, 08:36:26 PM
Quote from: randr on October 04, 2010, 08:04:26 PM
VERY NICE! CONGRATS :cheers:
Thanks!... I saw your Daytona is flying right along... "Progress" is a good thread title, I think I jinxed my project by putting "long saga" in the title! :lol:
Quote from: 1HotDaytona on October 04, 2010, 08:18:16 PM
AWESOME !!!!
Funny
Thanks Brian! I am still absolutely amazed at the job you did on your Daytona in a very short period of time... well, at least my C500 is finally getting there (not that it will be running anytime soon). It has probably been 40 years or more since it was this blue & shiny... :coolgleamA:
Quote from: UFO on October 04, 2010, 08:47:44 PM
Sweet!
Soon you'll be cruisin while a bunch of us are shoveling that white stuff. :lol:
Thanks! I do expect to be cruising this winter... in the 2009 Challenger, assuming I don't take it apart before then! :P
I received about 20 more pictures from Greg, taken before the C500 was painted. I will post some of them tomorrow after resizing, etc. Below is a screen shot of the thumbnails for the new pics...
I am posting one picture showing the area that Blue Thunder has been staying in apparently has a strict feathered neighborhood association (see posted sign in pic below), so my "Road Runner 500" has had to adapt... ;) :icon_smile_big:
Allen
Quote from: xs29j8Bullitt on October 04, 2010, 07:31:45 PM
Quote from: KORDSAUTO on October 04, 2010, 06:19:38 PM
To everyone following Allen's Charger progress,
Thank you for your patience and the kind words regarding the work performed to date. Allen is receiving completed paint pictures via e-mail now and I am relatively certain he will be posting them soon!
Greg Kordsmeier
Thanks Greg! :cheers:
Greg called and told me the C500 was painted Sunday evening, and will be moved tomorrow from the paint shop to the location where the sanding/polishing, etc will be done. I received five pictures... here are the first three...
Blue Thunder!... It's B5 Blue Baby! (http://i66.photobucket.com/albums/h269/xs29j8/Animated%20GIFs%20Etc/happyanim.gif)
Allen
wow :drool5: :dance: :dance: awesome stuff , pleased for you dude after all this time & agro with the other shop!!
cant wait to see it out in the daylight :coolgleamA: :drool5: :popcrn:
:cheers: FANTASTIC ALLEN!!!! :yesnod:
Quote from: tan top on October 05, 2010, 03:28:46 AM
wow :drool5: :dance: :dance: awesome stuff , pleased for you dude after all this time & agro with the other shop!!
cant wait to see it out in the daylight :coolgleamA: :drool5: :popcrn:
Quote from: b5blue on October 05, 2010, 05:21:25 AM
:cheers: FANTASTIC ALLEN!!!! :yesnod:
Thanks guys... Still a long way to go, but at least one major milestone is met!
Congrats, Allen - been a long time coming for you, but from the looks of the car so far it should be well worth the wait.
:2thumbs:
Quote from: hemigeno on October 05, 2010, 09:26:46 AM
Congrats, Allen - been a long time coming for you, but from the looks of the car so far it should be well worth the wait.
:2thumbs:
Thanks Gene! Maybe one of these years I will finally be able to take it to Monster Mopar Weekend... :P
More pics prior to painting... including adjustment of fade-out of bodyline on front fender.
Pics mostly show the C500 being taken to the building with the paint booth...
In the prep area near the paint booth...
Extensive masking to prevent over-spray and other issues... a lot of work! :eek2:
More masking...
Its "Showtime"... arrival at the paint booth... looks like more restricted parking... :scratchchin:
Final pics for now... notice the deck lid is not installed, but was painted at the same time and in the same orientation as if it was installed. Last picture shows application of base color only...
:drool5: :drool5: :drool5: :drool5: :2thumbs:
Trim all ready to go on??
Powertrain done??
Quote from: moparstuart on October 05, 2010, 12:03:46 PM
:drool5: :drool5: :drool5: :drool5: :2thumbs:
Thanks Stuart! There is still a chance you could finish your C500 before I finish mine... but you would have to
start in the next year or so... :P :lol:
Quote from: UFO on October 05, 2010, 06:30:30 PM
Trim all ready to go on??
Powertrain done??
Unfortunately no... That indeed was the original plan, but health issues have been the main impediment... Also, the over $19,000 spent at the first body shop for
maybe $4,000 worth of usable work used up my original budget and my 20% reserve fund. The original verbal estimate "out the door" for body work & paint was $16,000 which was raised to $18,000 on a written estimate
after the C500 was transported to the body shop. In the end, the $19K+ spent did not even get the uni-body structurally sound... when the car was removed from the first shop, the quarter panels and most other repro sheetmetal was held in place with some small welds and small screws. As it turned out, that was fortunate as almost all of the alignment fits & gaps had to be redone... Blue Thunder has come a long way since then.
Although my health has improved, it will still not allow me to do the re-assembly of the Charger 500. I have talked to a talented restorer about doing the build on the C500, but that was about a year ago. Looks like we will be talking again soon, now that the paint & body work is coming to an end...
During the almost three years the C500 has been in "restoration", I have collected a good amount of NOS, quality reproduction (BE&A), and nice used parts. In the next month or two, I expect to take a pickup load or more of loose parts to the restorer, and expect some of the work will be farmed out (like the steering column, instrument cluster, etc).
Right now I am working on locating all the loose parts, and trying to budget the funds to finish the C500. Although I have done a pretty good job of keeping most of the removed parts together, there is always a chance something was misplaced. Also, there were items that were not with the Charger 500 when I bought it 24 years ago... most of them have been purchased over the years, but might be hiding in one of the 100 or so boxes that remain stacked in areas of my workshop. One other problem exists with an item purchased for the C500... the Dana 60 axle assy that was missing when I bought the car. I know exactly where it is... trapped behind several car lift posts that weigh about 800 pounds each! I hope to remove the lifts first, but will "drag" the Dana out one way or another...
:boogie: :thumbs:
Awesome Allen !!!! I'm so happy for you. It's been a long time comin'.........
did you ever find a donor motor ?
Quote from: hemi68charger on October 06, 2010, 07:35:56 AM
:boogie: :thumbs:
Awesome Allen !!!! I'm so happy for you. It's been a long time comin'.........
Thanks Troy!
Quote from: moparstuart on October 06, 2010, 10:57:43 AM
did you ever find a donor motor ?
Not really... After the crazy drama of almost buying the 238099 motor, I gave a lot of effort to tracking down the original motor for my C500 (238071). After tracking it down to the 1971 time frame, the trail went totally cold... not a hint of what happened to the motor in the first two years.
I have at least one 1969 440 engine from a 1969 GTX IIRC that is currently in my 1970 Six Pack Charger R/T, but I believe the engine assembly date is after the SCD of 12/4/68 that my C500 has. A better fit might be for my Daytona, which
may be getting pulled out of long term storage in a few months. I need to go into my shop and see if I have a second 1969 440 engine/block, and if so what the assembly date is.
I have also started checking Craigslist, eBay, and various Internet forums for a good re-builder '69 440, or a ready to go fresh rebuild or low mile turnkey motor that can be checked out before purchase. Looking for leads on a 1969 440 engine with a mid-October to late November 1968 assembly date... any leads would be appreciated!!! Email me at xs29j8@charter.net . I might consider out of range date codes, or even another model year engine if the deal is appealing enough. BTW, I have a LOT of potential trading material... so "
Let's make a deal!"
Allen
from john madden to now monte hall :2thumbs: :2thumbs: good luck
Allen,
The C500 is looking great. I have a bare 440 block that has beautiful bores. I think it is a late 1968 casting date, but it has been a few years since I have looked at it. I will try to remember this weekend to clear out my under workbench area where the block is and check it for you.
Chris
Quote from: moparchris on October 06, 2010, 01:24:07 PM
Allen,
The C500 is looking great. I have a bare 440 block that has beautiful bores. I think it is a late 1968 casting date, but it has been a few years since I have looked at it. I will try to remember this weekend to clear out my under workbench area where the block is and check it for you.
Chris
Thanks Chris! I appreciate you taking the time & effort to check it out. If practical, I would like to know the casting date, and any stampings visible (especially the engine assy Julian date).
If you have a digital camera handy, a few pics would be great too. Thanks again!
Allen
Looks very nice Allen. :2thumbs: I'll be looking foward to seeing it in person. I'll bet you're glad its finally Blue.
Quote from: Davtona on October 18, 2010, 07:19:14 PM
Looks very nice Allen. :2thumbs: I'll be looking foward to seeing it in person. I'll bet you're glad its finally Blue.
Thanks Dave... I might have new pictures in a few days (Talked to Greg briefly yesterday).
And yes on being glad the milestone has been cleared... I am now trying to locate all the loose parts and order some needed items. Also, have an Ad on several forums for a November 1968 build 440 HP engine or even a bare block... I need to go do an inventory in the Dodge Mahal... just in case! :scope:
I talked to Greg yesterday, and he said that he was working on the C500 part time. He expects to work on it more by this weekend, and says the color sanding & buffing are going very well. Greg sent five new pictures, and said there should be more by this weekend or early next week.
Here are three of the new pics...
The other two pics...
Sweet !!!!! :cheers:
:dance: :dance: :drool5: wow !!!!! :coolgleamA: :yesnod: :drool5: :popcrn:
Awesome, very happy to see things going a little smoother for you...
Quote from: hemi68charger on October 21, 2010, 09:23:12 AM
Sweet !!!!! :cheers:
Quote from: tan top on October 21, 2010, 01:17:05 PM
:dance: :dance: :drool5: wow !!!!! :coolgleamA: :yesnod: :drool5: :popcrn:
Quote from: charger500440 on October 21, 2010, 01:57:18 PM
Awesome, very happy to see things going a little smoother for you...
Thanks guys! There is still a long way to go, but Greg has been great to work with. Together with Ken's behind the scenes help, Greg has managed to fix the vast majority of the inherited problems. I am now scrambling to gather up parts for the C500, and locate some items that I never had for the car. My biggest missing item is a 1969 HP engine with appropriate date codes. Of the six 1969 440 engines that I have located so far, two are non HP motors, two are too early builds, one is too late, and one has an unknown date along with racing damage requiring two sleeves. I am going to try to do a brief inventory of the 440 engines in my workshop this weekend.
Here is a "before & after" pic showing the top of the trunk lid...
Too bright and shiney. Hang on I need sunglasses. :coolgleamA: There thats better. :lol: Looking real nice Allen. She'll look real good out in the sunlight.
Allen, car looks great! B5 would make a Gremlin look good too, but it makes a IIGen Charger awesome...
Have you checked out the E440's listed on Moparts? I'm assuming you have. What Engine Assembly Date are you shooting for (not that I have any '69 blocks in my shop)?
B5, my favorite color , period.
I know we're several states away , but I know someone who could to do the assembly part if your so inclined. And he have an opening begining mid-Dec to early Jan
Quote from: hemigeno on October 22, 2010, 08:15:02 AM
Allen, car looks great! B5 would make a Gremlin look good too, but it makes a IIGen Charger awesome...
Have you checked out the E440's listed on Moparts? I'm assuming you have. What Engine Assembly Date are you shooting for (not that I have any '69 blocks in my shop)?
Thanks Gene! The only E 440 HP motor that I remember on this month's Moparts Ads is the one listed by "junkyardmaxie" with an "install" (assembly?) date of 9/15/68, too early AFAIK for my SPD of 12/4/68 on my C500. Based on what I have seen from that time period, an engine assembly date of mid November would be appropriate. The block casting date might be in the mid to late October time frame...
Looking for feedback though... especially from owners of 440 powered Mopars built in the same time period that have their original motors...
Quote from: gtx6970 on October 22, 2010, 08:20:59 AM
B5, my favorite color , period.
I know we're several states away , but I know someone who could to do the assembly part if your so inclined. And he have an opening begining mid-Dec to early Jan
Thanks Bill, its one of my favorites too... but I have also got a strong liking for stone cold black that you can see about 30 miles into when it is polished!
I have already talked to someone about the assembly work on the C500, but will keep your suggestion in mind if he decides not to do take on my car. I certainly appreciate your suggestion though... is the guy up in your area?
Allen
Quote from: Davtona on October 21, 2010, 06:07:59 PM
Too bright and shiney. Hang on I need sunglasses. :coolgleamA: There thats better. :lol: Looking real nice Allen. She'll look real good out in the sunlight.
Thanks Dave! Maybe the company that gave the $350 sunglasses to the Chilean coal miners will sponsor Blue Thunder when she's done... :smilielol:
Quote from: xs29j8Bullitt on October 22, 2010, 08:42:05 AM
The only E 440 HP motor that I remember on this month's Moparts Ads is the one listed by "junkyardmaxie" with an "install" (assembly?) date of 9/15/68, too early AFAIK for my SPD of 12/4/68 on my C500. Based on what I have seen from that time period, an engine assembly date of mid November would be appropriate. The block casting date might be in the mid to late October time frame...
There's an HP E440 posted for sale on Moparts by MePlumNuts on 10/16/2010 that has a cast date of 10/1/68. Don't focus too much on the casting date - what matters is the Engine Assembly Date on the ID pad. That ad doesn't list the EAD, but I'm sure he could tell you what it is. The pad hasn't been wiped, or the HP and E440 stamps would be gone too.
I thought there was another block or two listed, but after running through the ads again this morning it's the only other one I see.
Quote from: xs29j8Bullitt on October 22, 2010, 08:53:19 AM
... is the guy up in your area?
Allen
Yea, one could say he's Really REALLY close, and i've been told he's a super nice guy who could use the work. But I wouldn't want to spread any rumors though.
Should something change let me know.
Quote from: hemigeno on October 22, 2010, 10:05:23 AM
Quote from: xs29j8Bullitt on October 22, 2010, 08:42:05 AM
The only E 440 HP motor that I remember on this month's Moparts Ads is the one listed by "junkyardmaxie" with an "install" (assembly?) date of 9/15/68, too early AFAIK for my SPD of 12/4/68 on my C500. Based on what I have seen from that time period, an engine assembly date of mid November would be appropriate. The block casting date might be in the mid to late October time frame...
There's an HP E440 posted for sale on Moparts by MePlumNuts on 10/16/2010 that has a cast date of 10/1/68. Don't focus too much on the casting date - what matters is the Engine Assembly Date on the ID pad. That ad doesn't list the EAD, but I'm sure he could tell you what it is. The pad hasn't been wiped, or the HP and E440 stamps would be gone too.
I thought there was another block or two listed, but after running through the ads again this morning it's the only other one I see.
I remember seeing that one too, but did not call because it states "pick up only"... that would be a long haul for basically the block. The Ad states it comes with Six Pack rods and 915 heads, so the block and possibly pistons would only be usable in the C500... I may call him up anyway to see if he might sell and ship only the block... assuming the assembly date works.
So far, here is my main go-by, the assembly date of 11/26/68 for XX29L9B238099, twenty eight higher in the sequence number than my XX29L9B238071... but, I do not know Rick's SPD on that car though.
Quote from: xs29j8Bullitt on October 22, 2010, 12:49:27 PM
Quote from: hemigeno on October 22, 2010, 10:05:23 AM
Quote from: xs29j8Bullitt on October 22, 2010, 08:42:05 AM
The only E 440 HP motor that I remember on this month's Moparts Ads is the one listed by "junkyardmaxie" with an "install" (assembly?) date of 9/15/68, too early AFAIK for my SPD of 12/4/68 on my C500. Based on what I have seen from that time period, an engine assembly date of mid November would be appropriate. The block casting date might be in the mid to late October time frame...
There's an HP E440 posted for sale on Moparts by MePlumNuts on 10/16/2010 that has a cast date of 10/1/68. Don't focus too much on the casting date - what matters is the Engine Assembly Date on the ID pad. That ad doesn't list the EAD, but I'm sure he could tell you what it is. The pad hasn't been wiped, or the HP and E440 stamps would be gone too.
I thought there was another block or two listed, but after running through the ads again this morning it's the only other one I see.
I remember seeing that one too, but did not call because it states "pick up only"... that would be a long haul for basically the block. The Ad states it comes with Six Pack rods and 915 heads, so the block and possibly pistons would only be usable in the C500... I may call him up anyway to see if he might sell and ship only the block... assuming the assembly date works.
So far, here is my main go-by, the assembly date of 11/26/68 for XX29L9B238099, twenty eight higher in the sequence number than my XX29L9B238071... but, I do not know Rick's SPD on that car though.
where is the guy at ? maybe someone knows someone up there that can help in getting it shipped ?
Quote from: gtx6970 on October 22, 2010, 12:46:26 PM
Quote from: xs29j8Bullitt on October 22, 2010, 08:53:19 AM
... is the guy up in your area?
Allen
Yea, one could say he's Really REALLY close, and i've been told he's a super nice guy who could use the work. But I wouldn't want to spread any rumors though.
Should something change let me know.
Thanks Bill... I think I know the dude that you are talking about!... ;) :lol: I have heard a lot of good things about him also... :yesnod: I will let you know if anything changes.
Allen
Quote from: moparstuart on October 22, 2010, 12:52:49 PM
where is the guy at ? maybe someone knows someone up there that can help in getting it shipped ?
By the Zip Code, looks like Tinley Park (Chicago suburbs), but another thing I just found is the apparent VIN number from another Moparts posting...
XS29L9B199311... that's 38,000+ units prior to mine. So, that seems out of range for my C500? :shruggy:
Quote from: xs29j8Bullitt on October 22, 2010, 01:12:32 PM
Quote from: moparstuart on October 22, 2010, 12:52:49 PM
where is the guy at ? maybe someone knows someone up there that can help in getting it shipped ?
By the Zip Code, looks like Tinley Park (Chicago suburbs), but another thing I just found is the apparent VIN number from another Moparts posting... XS29L9B199311... that's 38,000+ units prior to mine. So, that seems out of range for my C500? :shruggy:
bummer
Quote from: moparstuart on October 22, 2010, 02:08:31 PM
Quote from: xs29j8Bullitt on October 22, 2010, 01:12:32 PM
Quote from: moparstuart on October 22, 2010, 12:52:49 PM
where is the guy at ? maybe someone knows someone up there that can help in getting it shipped ?
By the Zip Code, looks like Tinley Park (Chicago suburbs), but another thing I just found is the apparent VIN number from another Moparts posting... XS29L9B199311... that's 38,000+ units prior to mine. So, that seems out of range for my C500? :shruggy:
bummer
And yet another bummer... just heard back on another lead... :down:
Getting more proactive searching locally... my new Craigslist Ad:
http://dallas.craigslist.org/ftw/wan/2027124144.html (http://dallas.craigslist.org/ftw/wan/2027124144.html)
I am hoping the date code lesson in it as well as trade material reference & examples will stir up something locally...
It's wait & see time... :popcrn:
Allen
(http://i66.photobucket.com/albums/h269/xs29j8/Misc%20Pictures/CraigslistE440HPWantedAd102610.jpg)
and the john madden telestrator is back
:2thumbs: :2thumbs: :2thumbs:
A older ad but this guy seems to have had some H.P. motors.And might still have some? A friend did have one on Houston craiglist.Gave him a call for number info.It got sold 69 HP.Another one shows on craigslist
http://www.massmopar.com/yabb/YaBB.pl?num=1221487732
http://kansascity.craigslist.org/pts/2012946542.html appears to be same ad
http://denver.craigslist.org/pts/1998860496.html theres a few out there
http://inlandempire.craigslist.org/pts/1989366801.html
Quote from: moparstuart on October 27, 2010, 11:07:07 AM
and the john madden telestrator is back
:2thumbs: :2thumbs: :2thumbs:
In addition to limited "telestrator" skills, I have limited "photoshop" skills...
Blue Thunder back on the ground on W23 wheels by the magic of Paint Shop Pro V8... not Photo Shop. :icon_smile_big:
Ya know, a couple years ago i found a November date coded 440 HP block for sale right by me here in the Twin Cities. It was pitted and rusty in the cylinder walls and the guy told me it would need .060 over and it should be fine. It was $100 and it was just the bare block with main rod caps. I was going to buy it for my C500 at the time because it would have been close to my build date. I passed on it though. I'll see if i can find the guys number again for you. But this is a long shot so keep your pants on.. :icon_smile_big:
Paul
EDIT: I cant find the guys number anymore and i'm certain i threw it out the last time i purged my stack of papers. I know the guys name was Walt and he lived in Golden Valley, MN and he had a Green 69 RR at the time. I can picture his house and shop in my mind so i'll keep searching google street view untill i find it for you.
well i got three packages in the mail the other day at work from allen :shruggy: :D
:popcrn: so tonight i drove up to north kansas city to swap out some parts for a replacement power plant for Blue Thunder . Brian the guy with the motor had a 70 coronet sitting in his drive way .
I love the Keystones
:popcrn: this way inpressive the man knows great cars and the best color too of course :icon_smile_big:
brians back
:popcrn: :popcrn:
brian also had a 4 barrel shaker hood cuda
:drool5: the pan was bent so i made him pull it to check everything out in side
:popcrn:
:popcrn:
:popcrn: traded parts
:drool5: all safe and sound , I will strap it to a pallet and ship to the shop in arkansas
Quote from: moparstuart on December 02, 2010, 09:39:37 PM
:drool5: all safe and sound , I will strap it to a pallet and ship it to the shop in arkansas
Thanks Stuart!!! :bow: :bow: :bow: I very much appreciate your help in picking up and shipping the 440 for Blue Thunder! :cheers: And thanks for the great pics... I assume Brian has seen your FJ5 Convertible? He likes the color:
QuoteBeing painted FJ5 Limelight Green, favorite color hands down... I plan on making a stroker motor out of the 70 date code 340, with a 4" Eagle stroker kit, making it a 416ci with around 500+hp...
QuoteCars I will own in the future include a 70 Challenger FC7 convertible (for the wife), a high impact 440-6 4 speed Superbird, and a real FJ5 rubber bumper 70 Hemi Cuda...
I haven't told him yet that I have a FJ5 Hemi `Cuda & FJ5 Challenger Convertible...
Thanks again Stuart... now would be a good time to ask me to reconsider adoption... :lol: :smilielol: :rofl:
Here are the items traded for the 440 engine prior to shipment:
your very welcome and no thanks needed , but i will take you up on the adoption , paper work is in the mail as we speak :2thumbs:
Quote from: moparstuart on December 02, 2010, 09:39:37 PM
:drool5: all safe and sound , I will strap it to a pallet and ship to the shop in arkansas
Just talked to Stuart to tell him the engine arrived safely at the shop in Arkansas today, and has already been taken to a machine shop! :cheers:
Thanks for the help Stuart!!!
HOORAY Blue Thunder has an engine! :cheers:
Quote from: b5blue on December 08, 2010, 07:39:53 PM
HOORAY Blue Thunder has an engine! :cheers:
:2thumbs: :2thumbs: :2thumbs: :2thumbs: :yesnod: :yesnod: :yesnod: one step closer
Quote from: moparstuart on December 09, 2010, 10:18:12 AM
Quote from: b5blue on December 08, 2010, 07:39:53 PM
HOORAY Blue Thunder has an engine! :cheers:
:2thumbs: :2thumbs: :2thumbs: :2thumbs: :yesnod: :yesnod: :yesnod: one step closer
...And now, a couple more steps...
I have spent most of the last month locating and boxing up for transport as many of the needed Charger 500 parts as I could find. Many items were easy to locate, especially those removed from the C500 at the beginning of the restoration... like the front suspension parts shown in the first picture or the numbers matching transmission seen in the second picture.
Other items that were acquired for the car in the 20+ years it was awaiting restoration, were much more difficult to locate and/or move to the collection point. For example, the Dana 60 axle was stashed behind the "pile-o-parts" shown in the third picture. A frontal assault being a tall order, a flanking attack succeeded in getting access within a couple hours as seen in the fourth picture. I was fortunate to have the help of several friends to get the job done, in fact they did all the hard work.
With the Dana and other parts shown in second picture located, loading my pick-up began a week ago... continuing until about six hours before departure.
If I had my half done reorganization completed, finding the parts would have been much easier...
Also time consuming was the careful packing of the parts for Blue Thunder... like the exterior emblems shown.
Later today... The trip to deliver the parts and get my first look at Blue Thunder... WITH PICTURES!!! :cheers:
:2thumbs: :2thumbs: :2thumbs: :2thumbs: :2thumbs: :yesnod: :yesnod: :yesnod: :yesnod: :yesnod:
Over 3 years into this restoration, over 41 years since the Charger 500 was built... its time to
Grab another gear, and "Git 'Er Done!"
Looking a bit tattered from a week of locating missing parts & packing them, while only getting 4-6 hours of sleep per night (only 3 hours the night before the trip), I arrived at the shop in Arkansas with a friend from work riding shotgun. My friend Andre took many of the pictures that I will be posting over the next few days.
The second picture shows the max-packed interior of my quad cab, with the tall white "mirror box" containing the Charger 500's back glass... a source of constant worry prior to and during the trip. It took $34 worth of bubble wrap and an adjustable mirror box to take it on the trip...
And here is Blue Thunder as of last Friday... what a change from the day it was rescued from the first body shop!
:woohoo: :punkrocka: :woohoo: :punkrocka: :woohoo: ... and even :drool5: :drool5: :drool5: and :dance: :icon_smile_big:
More pics...
Awesome! You sound much more prepared for road trips than I do...
Troy
Looking even more tired than I remember feeling, here I am with the talented body man & painter that pulled off the miracle of getting Blue Thunder properly re-assembled and looking great...
Thanks to Greg Kordsmeier / Kordsmeier Auto for a GREAT job!
Also, a few more pics... more later from the 147 taken during the trip.
:drool5: That's Purty! :popcrn: Sounds like a productive endevor. :2thumbs:
VERY INSPIRING! All that beautiful B5Blue flowing over those flawless swooping curves.....world class car all the way! :2thumbs: A milestone point in this project is reached! :cheers:
Quote from: Troy on December 12, 2010, 10:30:07 AM
Awesome! You sound much more prepared for road trips than I do...
Troy
Although I was fairly prepared for this trip, even with a six day headstart on packing, I still had to get into panic mode in the last few days before the trip. Also I forgot several items that I needed to take, including the fender tag that is kept in a safe... :P
I also spent a lot of time coordinating with vendors about needed parts... answering their questions to make sure the right parts were shipped. Like the leaf spring rebuild kits needed for the rear springs shown in the attached picture.
In the last two weeks I have ordered over $4000 in parts for the C500, and need to order about another $2500 this coming week! :eek2: For example, I will be placing an order with Mike Ross @ B/E&A for a number of items, including taillight lenses & T/L lens chrome trim, as well as upper door pads.
Watch for my Ads and eBay auctions starting in January... :P
Quote from: Brock Samson on December 12, 2010, 10:47:34 AM
:drool5: That's Purty! :popcrn: Sounds like a productive endevor. :2thumbs:
Quote from: b5blue on December 12, 2010, 10:48:56 AM
VERY INSPIRING! All that beautiful B5Blue flowing over those flawless swooping curves.....world class car all the way! :2thumbs: A milestone point in this project is reached! :cheers:
Thanks guys... a lot of key objectives have been reached in the last few weeks...
- Engine acquired & shipped to Arkansas... now at machine shop, teardown complete, rebuild about to start
- Key components like Dana, 4 Spd transmission, front suspension, etc delivered to restoration site
- Most expensive repro parts now ordered or will be within a week...
- No known show stoppers seen on the horizon... of course, surprises can happen... soooo we'll see
Thats the best part of a resto. Taking parts off of shelves and the shop floor knowing they are going onto their final home never to be lost or tripped over again.
Quote from: paironines on December 12, 2010, 11:28:54 AM
Thats the best part of a resto. Taking parts off of shelves and the shop floor knowing they are going onto their final home never to be lost or tripped over again.
Ain't that the truth........
Quote from: hemi68charger on December 12, 2010, 11:34:13 AM
Quote from: paironines on December 12, 2010, 11:28:54 AM
Thats the best part of a resto. Taking parts off of shelves and the shop floor knowing they are going onto their final home never to be lost or tripped over again.
Ain't that the truth........
More like passing the buck......Untill it's restored and ready to install :rofl:
That's awesome Allen !!!! She's looking great !!!!!! I know you have to be stoked by it all........ :2thumbs:
Quote from: Hemi_tyme on December 12, 2010, 11:49:16 AM
Quote from: hemi68charger on December 12, 2010, 11:34:13 AM
Quote from: paironines on December 12, 2010, 11:28:54 AM
Thats the best part of a resto. Taking parts off of shelves and the shop floor knowing they are going onto their final home never to b :wave:e lost or tripped over again.
Ain't that the truth........
More like passing the buck......Untill it's restored and ready to install :rofl:
:yesnod: :yesnod: :yesnod: :lol: The C500 back glass spent 3 years under a bed in a guest bedroom, with me worrying about it constantly... now safely delivered, its the buck recipient's burden... :wave: :icon_smile_big:
Also a worry on the trip was the dash assembly containing the VIN... wrapped in insulation, it was in eyesight during all stops on the trip. Another burden relieved... :wave: :icon_smile_big:
Parts of all kind... NOS, Repro, Used in good condition, Used in poor condition for reference, Etc.
You will notice that there are two of some items... like the power steering sectors, flywheels, RH exhaust manifolds, Etc. This is to allow selection of the best parts for reconditioning. The pair of doors are needed for the relatively clean vent window frames, and also for spares on internal door components.
First pic shows the Dana axle...
Second pic shows the K-Frame & other suspension components...
Third pic shows the 18 Spline transmission & other parts...
Fourth pic shows the wrapped dash assembly.
Flywheels...
Pedal assemblies...
Spare doors for parts...
Boxes containing NOS, Repro, and fragile parts... For example large white "chair" box contained side glass, three vent window frames, taillight assemblies, and other parts. Another box contained a glove box lid, Repro dash bezel set, A-Pillar moldings, Etc. A third box had items like Repro head rests, Repro driver's side remote mirror, Repro window cranks & door handles, NOS exterior emblems/nameplates, NOS w/washer reservoir, Etc.
Storage totes containing...
Bagged & tagged items...
Dash ducting, Etc...
Wiring for reference & parts if needed...
Misc items, kick panels, weather stripping, Etc...
Loose bags of hardware & parts...
Misc items...
More Blue Thunder... :icon_smile_big:
A few more... :yesnod:
Interior pictures...
VIN body stampings intact and easily readable... :cheers:
very nice. :drool5:
:dance: :dance: :dance: :dance: :dance: :dance: :dance: :dance: :dance: :dance: :dance: :dance: :dance: :woohoo: :woohoo: :woohoo: :woohoo: :woohoo:
:drool5: Very nice :2thumbs: :2thumbs:
Wow, looking good Allen :drool5: :cheers:
Thanks guys... here are more pics
First pic shows my friend Andre from work who went with me to see Blue Thunder and deliver the needed parts.
As I mentioned earlier, Andre took a lot of the pictures that I am posting, including the close-ups in this post and the next one....
Engine compartment & wheel wells...
Looking good! That shop looks familiar. The car is in good hands.
Very nice. :2thumbs:
Allen,
Thank you for your confidence and patience during this process. It was an honor and a privilege to be involved with your project "Blue Thunder". It is my express intention that you have many more hours enjoying driving your car then what you have put into it to get it this far.
It was a pleasure to work with a "class act" person such as yourself! I welcome any opportunity to serve any future paint & body needs that you may have.
I am confident that Ken will do an exceptional job reassembling your car, he is a pure enthusiast and a high quality individual.
Thanks again,
Greg
:drool5: wow that looks awesome :drool5: :drool5: :drool5: nice work :2thumbs: :2thumbs:
Awesome build .I send your continuing progress updates to a friend who has B5 69 Charger 500 AC.Thats in need of a facelift
Allen,
WOW :o
That is going to be one damn fine Charger 500!! Someday maybe mine will look that good!!
Keep on keepin' on
Chris
Quote from: KORDSAUTO on December 13, 2010, 11:10:04 PM
It was a pleasure to work with a "class act" person such as yourself! I welcome any opportunity to serve any future paint & body needs that you may have.
I am confident that Ken will do an exceptional job reassembling your car, he is a pure enthusiast and a high quality individual.
Thanks for the kind words Greg, but as I have said before, you & Ken rescued Blue Thunder when a bad situation was getting worse. At the time I did not even know about many of the workmanship problems from the first body shop which were later uncovered. As the new problems were found, you took all of them in stride and found good solutions. Your way of doing business could not be more different from that of the first body shop, and I have absolutely no reservations about you working on additional cars for me.
And, you might be happy to know, they will arrive assembled... not in cardboard boxes & storage totes. Finances permitting, a new project might be delivered in the coming year... possibly when Blue Thunder is picked up. I plan to start a serious effort to sell excess cars & parts after the Holidays, and if successful early on a new project could arrive much sooner... Depending on timing & finances, it might be R4 Performance Red, FY1 Lemon Twist Yellow, A4 Platinum Silver, or BB1 Black.
Thanks again for all your hard work Greg!
Allen
Quote from: Aero426 on December 13, 2010, 01:46:01 PM
Looking good! That shop looks familiar. The car is in good hands.
Quote from: Richard Cranium on December 13, 2010, 02:40:10 PM
Very nice. :2thumbs:
Quote from: tan top on December 14, 2010, 06:42:50 AM
:drool5: wow that looks awesome :drool5: :drool5: :drool5: nice work :2thumbs: :2thumbs:
Quote from: nascarxx29 on December 14, 2010, 12:57:04 PM
Awesome build .I send your continuing progress updates to a friend who has B5 69 Charger 500 AC.Thats in need of a facelift
Quote from: moparchris on December 14, 2010, 01:50:04 PM
Allen,
WOW :o
That is going to be one damn fine Charger 500!! Someday maybe mine will look that good!!
Keep on keepin' on
Chris
Thanks everyone! Blue Thunder is finally taking shape... Although the project has not gone smoothly, with me staggering to the finish line like a delirious marathon runner in the Olympics, with the help of some really good people in Arkansas I will make it!
One of the primary goals of this restoration was as a learning curve practice run for upcoming projects of some of my other favorite cars. Well, I have learned a lot of lessons... some of them quite expensive.
Thanks to everyone who follows and/or posts in this thread. If you have any questions, ask away... I try to answer them.
Allen
Allen, it was a long rough ride for you and your 500, but the end result is both visually stunning and worth the wait!
I'm sure I speak for all of us when I say thank-you for posting this thread, and we all look forward to seeing the glorious end results! :2thumbs:
Quote from: Magnumcharger on December 14, 2010, 07:10:13 PM
Allen, it was a long rough ride for you and your 500, but the end result is both visually stunning and worth the wait!
I'm sure I speak for all of us when I say thank-you for posting this thread, and we all look forward to seeing the glorious end results! :2thumbs:
Thanks Robin, the last three years have been quite a ride... especially when combined with other events in my life. I had no idea of the early problems that I would encounter, only a general feeling that based on previous projects there were bound to be setbacks. The "long saga" I mentioned in the thread title would have more aptly been termed "long ordeal" during the first year, but since then the C500 project has gone fairly well considering we were walking through a "minefield" of issues inherited from the first body shop. The health & family issues that I encountered also affected my ability to rapidly supply some needed parts, further slowing progress.
Major progress has been made in the last two months, and as Doug mentioned the Charger 500 is in great hands as Greg passes it off to the Aero car restoration master for re-assembly.
Gotta stay focused on the goal now...
Now that you can start bolting parts on is when it gets exciting. Looks Great.
Wow, that looks fantastic! Congrats Allen :cheers:
Quote from: daveco on December 15, 2010, 01:28:26 AM
Wow, that looks fantastic! Congrats Allen :cheers:
Thanks Dave... You're up kinda late... :scratchchin: How's the rehab facility construction coming along?
:drool5: Wow amazing work.
Quote from: xs29j8Bullitt on December 15, 2010, 02:53:32 AM
Quote from: daveco on December 15, 2010, 01:28:26 AM
Wow, that looks fantastic! Congrats Allen :cheers:
Thanks Dave... You're up kinda late... :scratchchin: How's the rehab facility construction coming along?
Concentrating on rehabing my backlog, (turning P.O.s into invoices). I want to see concrete trucks in my back yard by late Jan, then, other things... :2thumbs:
Quote from: daveco on December 15, 2010, 01:04:49 PM
Quote from: xs29j8Bullitt on December 15, 2010, 02:53:32 AM
Quote from: daveco on December 15, 2010, 01:28:26 AM
Wow, that looks fantastic! Congrats Allen :cheers:
Thanks Dave... You're up kinda late... :scratchchin: How's the rehab facility construction coming along?
Concentrating on rehabing my backlog, (turning P.O.s into invoices). I want to see concrete trucks in my back yard by late Jan, then, other things... :2thumbs:
Turning P.O.s into Invoices, then into dead presidents is definitely your best priority! I have been gathering items in anticipation of the start of the Phoenix Project...
Interior pictures...
Engine bay & wheel well...
Taillight panel & trunk...
The machine shop is nearly done with their work on Blue Thunder's replacement 440. As it turns out, the 440 engine was not quite in "bolt the heads on & run 'er" condition described by the seller. One of the rod bearings had begun to spin, so now the crank will be turned .010-.010. Also, the cylinder walls would not completely clean up at .030, so the block will be bored .040... so Blue Thunder will have a 448.
There were some other issues and missing parts as well, but no show stoppers so far. The main reason that I got this 440 was the Engine Assembly Date of 11-26-68 exactly matched the EAD of a Charger 500 with a VIN only 28 units later than mine (238099 vs. my 238071). Another reason was that an even trade was worked out, so my only cash expenses were shipping of the trade parts and later the engine... about $330 total.
The following pics of the block in the machine shop were provided by Hemityme... Thanks! :scope:
Cool Allen, some great progress in the last couple of weeks. My car won't be too far behind yours.
Duncan
Quote from: Kiwi68 on December 16, 2010, 11:19:38 PM
Cool Allen, some great progress in the last couple of weeks. My car won't be too far behind yours.
Duncan
Thanks Duncan... but don't give up yet on passing Blue Thunder in the Resto Derby, several other DC.Com restoration projects have left me in the dust. :brickwall: With the arrival of the AMD sheetmetal, your C500 is coming on strong! :cheers:
Allen
Quote from: xs29j8Bullitt on December 16, 2010, 11:35:00 PM
Thanks Duncan... but don't give up yet on passing Blue Thunder in the Resto Derby, several other DC.Com restoration projects have left me in the dust. :brickwall: With the arrival of the AMD sheetmetal, your C500 is coming on strong! :cheers:
Allen
I'm just enjoying seeing your pics right now! Keep up the progress, it's motivating to see.
I'm really greatful for AMD! Another 2-3 months and I'm hoping to be driving.
Duncan
Quote from: Kiwi68 on December 16, 2010, 11:48:41 PM
Quote from: xs29j8Bullitt on December 16, 2010, 11:35:00 PM
Thanks Duncan... but don't give up yet on passing Blue Thunder in the Resto Derby, several other DC.Com restoration projects have left me in the dust. :brickwall: With the arrival of the AMD sheetmetal, your C500 is coming on strong! :cheers:
Allen
I'm just enjoying seeing your pics right now! Keep up the progress, it's motivating to see.
I'm really greatful for AMD! Another 2-3 months and I'm hoping to be driving.
Duncan
Well, there is no way mine will be driven anywhere in the next 2-3 months... might be back on "all fours" around that time... maybe.
After all that this project has gone through, just seeing clear progress is great! I am not even going to have a specific goal of when to have it complete... still a long way to go. I am working on another list of needed parts to haul over to the shop in Arkansas...
- Front & Rear Seats
- Front & Rear Bumpers with brackets
- Recall Wheels & Tires
- Power Brake components
- Spare Tire, Jack, Etc.
- Windshield
- Misc NOS parts like exhaust tips, Headlight Bezels, Heat Riser rebuild kit, Etc.
- Misc engine bay components & accessories like W/Wiper Motor, drivers side exhaust manifold, Etc.
There are many other small items still needed. There are also some items to purchase such as exhaust system, battery, belts/hoses, windshield gasket, repro taillight lenses & chrome trim, repro upper door pads, Etc. :eek2:
Quote from: xs29j8Bullitt on December 16, 2010, 11:15:24 PM
The machine shop is nearly done with their work on Blue Thunder's replacement 440. As it turns out, the 440 engine was not quite in "bolt the heads on & run 'er" condition described by the seller. One of the rod bearings had begun to spin, so now the crank will be turned .010-.010. Also, the cylinder walls would not completely clean up at .030, so the block will be bored .040... so Blue Thunder will have a 448.
There were some other issues and missing parts as well, but no show stoppers so far. The main reason that I got this 440 was the Engine Assembly Date of 11-26-68 exactly matched the EAD of a Charger 500 with a VIN only 28 units later than mine (238099 vs. my 238071). Another reason was that an even trade was worked out, so my only cash expenses were shipping of the trade parts and later the engine... about $330 total.
The following pics of the block in the machine shop were provided by Hemityme... Thanks! :scope:
bummer I was hoping it would be in nice shape like he said ? It did spin really easy . :brickwall: :brickwall: :brickwall:
Quote from: moparstuart on December 17, 2010, 11:04:54 AM
Quote from: xs29j8Bullitt on December 16, 2010, 11:15:24 PM
The machine shop is nearly done with their work on Blue Thunder's replacement 440. As it turns out, the 440 engine was not quite in "bolt the heads on & run 'er" condition described by the seller. One of the rod bearings had begun to spin, so now the crank will be turned .010-.010. Also, the cylinder walls would not completely clean up at .030, so the block will be bored .040... so Blue Thunder will have a 448.
There were some other issues and missing parts as well, but no show stoppers so far. The main reason that I got this 440 was the Engine Assembly Date of 11-26-68 exactly matched the EAD of a Charger 500 with a VIN only 28 units later than mine (238099 vs. my 238071). Another reason was that an even trade was worked out, so my only cash expenses were shipping of the trade parts and later the engine... about $330 total.
The following pics of the block in the machine shop were provided by Hemityme... Thanks! :scope:
bummer I was hoping it would be in nice shape like he said ? It did spin really easy . :brickwall: :brickwall: :brickwall:
There was certainly no way for you to detect the problems on a non-running engine... he may not even have known. I am a little less understanding about some of the parts that turned up missing AFTER I shipped the trade parts and arranged to have you pick up the engine. He managed to misplace the head bolts, rocker shaft assemblies, pushrods, Etc and discover that the drivers side exhaust manifold was "a later model of no use".
Stuart, you did exactly what I wanted you to... Thanks again!
It is really nice to see this car heading nicely in the right direction. You really are a class act and it really sucks to see good people treated badly. You didn't let it stop you though,you powered through and you will have a great 500 when its all said and done. :2thumbs: To you Allen !
Quote from: 1HotDaytona on December 17, 2010, 11:22:52 AM
It is really nice to see this car heading nicely in the right direction. You really are a class act and it really sucks to see good people treated badly. You didn't let it stop you though,you powered through and you will have a great 500 when its all said and done. :2thumbs: To you Allen !
:2thumbs: :2thumbs: :yesnod: :yesnod: :yesnod: :yesnod: :yesnod:
Quote from: xs29j8Bullitt on December 17, 2010, 10:56:02 AM
Well, there is no way mine will be driven anywhere in the next 2-3 months... might be back on "all fours" around that time... maybe.
It will certainly be worth the wait. :drool5:
Engine question: Were they cast and assembled in the same plant or no? Why is there a 2-4 week lead time between the two dates? My B5 bird motor was around a month and a half in between. If there was shipping involved I can see it, but I know that a bunch of Chevy motors I've seen have a lot tighter windows.
Quote from: 1HotDaytona on December 17, 2010, 11:22:52 AM
It is really nice to see this car heading nicely in the right direction. You really are a class act and it really sucks to see good people treated badly. You didn't let it stop you though,you powered through and you will have a great 500 when its all said and done. :2thumbs: To you Allen !
Thanks Brian... Its not only the bad seeds that come out during a project like this, a lot of great people are helping me too. The experience at the first shop was a surprise (especially the extent of it), as were two guys that I have known for over 25 years that tried to develop what they apparently saw as an opportunity to deal me out of a car by having a block with an EAD that was relatively close to the range that I was looking for.
I have made mistakes too during this project, but thanks for the kind words.
Quote from: pettybird on December 17, 2010, 02:08:53 PM
Engine question: Were they cast and assembled in the same plant or no? Why is there a 2-4 week lead time between the two dates? My B5 bird motor was around a month and a half in between. If there was shipping involved I can see it, but I know that a bunch of Chevy motors I've seen have a lot tighter windows.
I am not sure if the casting/machining/assembly was at a single location or not. I have always assumed that the casting was at a separate facility, but I am not at all certain. The time span between casting and assembly varies greatly, but 4 weeks seem to be fairly common in late 1968 & early 1969. I have seen as little as 1 week, and over 3 months during that time period (late 1960s).
Attached is a chart that show some of the variation that is typical.
Also Doug, it would be interesting to know the casting date on Rick's 238099 engine block... give him a call! :callme:
Maybe someone with more insight in the subject will chime in...
The engine for Blue Thunder is basically complete, lacking only the replacement oil pan and various engine accessories (water pump, fuel pump, etc. The correct 4617S Carter AVS is being restored by Scott Smith/Harms Auto...
Ken said that he told the engine builder that I like pictures... :shruggy:
So here courtesy of the engine builder & Ken are some "in work" pictures...
And some "almost finished" pictures...
looking good !! :drool5: keep the pictures coming :cheers: :popcrn: :coolgleamA:
Like the Tin Man getting a heart! :2thumbs:
one more step closer :2thumbs:
Work is progressing on various components for Blue Thunder. Finishing touches are being put on the engine, and the 18 Spline "Hemi" 4 Speed transmission is at a rebuilder for a check-out and re-sealing. So far the only problem found on the transmission was a cracked input shaft bearing retainer... a replacement is being ordered. Suspension components and the K-Frame were sent to the powder coating company and should be back soon.
On another topic, I have resumed researching the early history of the C500 after finding out the Charger 500 was originally shipped to Ed Krueger Motors in Monett, Missouri for sale as a new car. For about the last 15 months I have known the C500 was sold as a used car in 1971 at a Dodge or Chrysler-Plymouth dealer in Monett, but had assumed that in the two years it had probably relocated from the area originally selling the car.
The information from Galen Govier from his Charger 500 shipment list has made me decide to further research those first two years, with the goals of finding the original buyer and info/pictures on the selling dealer and hopefully the C500 as well. Another far less likely outcome would be locating the numbers matching block which apparently disappeared during those two years... slim chances, but gotta try!
If anyone has any info on the Ed Krueger Motors dealership, or know someone in the Monett area that might have information, please let me know... Email me at: xs29j8@charter.net
Allen
Quote from: xs29j8Bullitt on January 05, 2011, 01:58:50 PM
Work is progressing on various components for Blue Thunder. Finishing touches are being put on the engine, and the 18 Spline "Hemi" 4 Speed transmission is at a rebuilder for a check-out and re-sealing. So far the only problem found on the transmission was a cracked input shaft bearing retainer... a replacement is being ordered. Suspension components and the K-Frame were sent to the powder coating company and should be back soon.
...
Allen
Allen, those powder coated components are going to look sweet !!!!
Quote from: xs29j8Bullitt on January 05, 2011, 01:58:50 PM
If anyone has any info on the Ed Krueger Motors dealership, or know someone in the Monett area that might have information, please let me know... Email me at: xs29j8@charter.net
Allen
Freddy's brother? Was the dealership in Elm Street? :D
Quote from: learical1 on January 05, 2011, 02:24:28 PM
Quote from: xs29j8Bullitt on January 05, 2011, 01:58:50 PM
If anyone has any info on the Ed Krueger Motors dealership, or know someone in the Monett area that might have information, please let me know... Email me at: xs29j8@charter.net
Allen
Freddy's brother? Was the dealership in Elm Street? :D
:eek2: I had only talked to three people about the dealership since getting the news two days ago, and two of the three had similar comments... :lol:
Quote from: xs29j8Bullitt on January 05, 2011, 02:38:27 PM
Quote from: learical1 on January 05, 2011, 02:24:28 PM
Quote from: xs29j8Bullitt on January 05, 2011, 01:58:50 PM
If anyone has any info on the Ed Krueger Motors dealership, or know someone in the Monett area that might have information, please let me know... Email me at: xs29j8@charter.net
Allen
Freddy's brother? Was the dealership in Elm Street? :D
:eek2: I had only talked to three people about the dealership since getting the news two days ago, and two of the three had similar comments... :lol:
sure would be nice if the 500 list info was readily availble to us
I received a call today from Scott Smith to let me know that the restoration of the 1969 model 4 Speed variant Carter 4617S AVS had been completed and that the function testing was successfully completed on their test engine... it's ready to ship as soon as I send payment. :cheers:
Later I received the attached before & after pictures of the carburetor... a professionally handled easy transaction.
Thanks Scott!
Not much new to report, mainly that work is proceeding on sub-assemblies & components.
I did catch a lucky break for a change though... I received a call about 6 PM yesterday evening from a friend who said that he was driving up to northern Arkansas to buy a motorcycle. He sad he would be going right by where the C500 was in work, and offered to carry up some parts. He came over last night and we loaded up a couple of storage totes of new & used parts, plus the original seats & other loose items... THANKS BILL!
Time for an update on Blue Thunder...
Most of the progress in the last month was with the various sub-components like the engine, transmission, and Dana rear axle. There were a few unexpected snags with parts needed for the engine and transmission. Turns out that the oil pick-up tube needed for the baffled "402" oil plan has been on back-order for about a year, as has the input shaft bearing retainer more recently. A new oil pick-up tube was found in stock at a vendor, and the last input shaft bearing retainer shown in Chrysler's parts system was located at a dealership in another state.
Among other needed items received or on order were a power steering sector, drum power brake set-up for conversion, C500 tail stripe (black), and the remainder of the large order from Dante's. The suspension components have been powder coated, and the next goal is to assemble the suspension & drive train components followed by lowering the body over them to get Blue Thunder back on "all fours".
Another milestone was achieved yesterday when the taillight panel was painted with the correct original Organosol Black lacquer paint. The Organosol was applied in multiple coats after a base coat of regular black paint. The correct paint texture was achieved, and the metal-flake in the Organosol can be easily seen.
Ten pics to post showing the process, here are the first four:
Texture & metal-flake of the Organosol is difficult to photograph...
Here are the best two pics...
I had no idea that Organosol paint was comprised of metallic flakes!
The things you learn!
Looks great Allen! Keep those pictures coming!
:2thumbs:
Looking great Allen.......... One step closer and closer......... inch by inch...
Tail panel came out great!!
looking sweet
:drool5: :drool5: :drool5: :drool5: :drool5: :drool5:
It's looking great Allen, getting better every day. :2thumbs:
WINGR/Steve
Quote from: WINGR on February 24, 2011, 10:28:32 PM
It's looking great Allen, getting better every day. :2thumbs:
WINGR/Steve
:iagree:
:drool5: looking good !!! :yesnod: :dance: :dance: :popcrn:
:2thumbs:
:popcrn: :popcrn: :popcrn: :popcrn:
Hi everyone... Thanks for the bump Stuart! Sorry I have not been around much lately, but I have been very busy with some important matters. Also, a new wiring/lighting project is well underway on my "Dodge Mahal" workshop, and things are starting to fall in place.
On the C500, I do not have any news. After I finish my tax return, I will call Ken for an update...
Finally, I have started discussions with someone that could lead to a multi-car transaction... leaving me with fewer cars, but they would be turn-key. Way to early to know if a deal can be worked out tho...
Allen
Quote from: xs29j8Bullitt on February 24, 2011, 03:44:48 PM
Texture & metal-flake of the Organosol is difficult to photograph...
Allen,
If you think the Organosol is difficult to photograph, wait till you try to keep it clean! I applaud you for doing this detail correctly! I love the B5 blue also! Keep the pictures coming we all enjoy them.
MJ
Quote from: xs29j8Bullitt on April 15, 2011, 08:27:36 AM
Hi everyone... Thanks for the bump Stuart! Sorry I have not been around much lately, but I have been very busy with some important matters. Also, a new wiring/lighting project is well underway on my "Dodge Mahal" workshop, and things are starting to fall in place.
On the C500, I do not have any news. After I finish my tax return, I will call Ken for an update...
Finally, I have started discussions with someone that could lead to a multi-car transaction... leaving me with fewer cars, but they would be turn-key. Way to early to know if a deal can be worked out tho...
Allen
Yo Allen..
Hope you're able to pull something off in the spirit of the "Troy Trades"..... Next up, "Allen Trades" and maybe the newest AB or DB..
Quote from: Mopar John on April 15, 2011, 08:52:51 AM
Quote from: xs29j8Bullitt on February 24, 2011, 03:44:48 PM
Texture & metal-flake of the Organosol is difficult to photograph...
Allen,
If you think the Organosol is difficult to photograph, wait till you try to keep it clean! I applaud you for doing this detail correctly! I love the B5 blue also! Keep the pictures coming we all enjoy them.
MJ
Thanks John... I'll be glad when my biggest issue is keeping it clean! More pics soon I hope... :coolgleamA:
Quote from: Mopar John on April 15, 2011, 08:52:51 AM
Quote from: xs29j8Bullitt on February 24, 2011, 03:44:48 PM
Texture & metal-flake of the Organosol is difficult to photograph...
Allen,
If you think the Organosol is difficult to photograph, wait till you try to keep it clean! I applaud you for doing this detail correctly! I love the B5 blue also! Keep the pictures coming we all enjoy them.
MJ
I always thought of spraying a clear satin or appropriate gloss% over the textured paint. I would think it would maintain the "flatness" of the organsol and actually make it easier to clean.
Quote from: hemi68charger on April 15, 2011, 09:05:58 AM
Quote from: xs29j8Bullitt on April 15, 2011, 08:27:36 AM
Hi everyone... Thanks for the bump Stuart! Sorry I have not been around much lately, but I have been very busy with some important matters. Also, a new wiring/lighting project is well underway on my "Dodge Mahal" workshop, and things are starting to fall in place.
On the C500, I do not have any news. After I finish my tax return, I will call Ken for an update...
Finally, I have started discussions with someone that could lead to a multi-car transaction... leaving me with fewer cars, but they would be turn-key. Way to early to know if a deal can be worked out tho...
Allen
Yo Allen..
Hope you're able to pull something off in the spirit of the "Troy Trades"..... Next up, "Allen Trades" and maybe the newest AB or DB..
Hey Troy... There are no Aero Cars as part of the potential multi-car "trade"... actually, it would be more of a sale/resto transaction. I will know more in a couple of weeks after the other party visits to look at some of my cars... I hope there isn't a licensing fee for using the "TroyTrade" method...
Quote from: xs29j8Bullitt on April 15, 2011, 09:33:30 AM
Quote from: hemi68charger on April 15, 2011, 09:05:58 AM
Quote from: xs29j8Bullitt on April 15, 2011, 08:27:36 AM
Hi everyone... Thanks for the bump Stuart! Sorry I have not been around much lately, but I have been very busy with some important matters. Also, a new wiring/lighting project is well underway on my "Dodge Mahal" workshop, and things are starting to fall in place.
On the C500, I do not have any news. After I finish my tax return, I will call Ken for an update...
Finally, I have started discussions with someone that could lead to a multi-car transaction... leaving me with fewer cars, but they would be turn-key. Way to early to know if a deal can be worked out tho...
Allen
Yo Allen..
Hope you're able to pull something off in the spirit of the "Troy Trades"..... Next up, "Allen Trades" and maybe the newest AB or DB..
Hey Troy... There are no Aero Cars as part of the potential multi-car "trade"... actually, it would be more of a sale/resto transaction. I will know more in a couple of weeks after the other party visits to look at some of my cars... I hope there isn't a licensing fee for using the "TroyTrade" method...
There is actually one fee and demand.......................... Drive those new cars and have fun !!!!!!! I hope to cross paths with you soon........
Allen glad to hear that none of the AERO cars are in the potential trade. Maybe one of these days I'll talke you into trading that Daytona of yours.
Quote from: 69_500 on April 15, 2011, 04:03:59 PM
Allen glad to hear that none of the AERO cars are in the potential trade. Maybe one of these days I'll talke you into trading that Daytona of yours.
but danny u are forgetting about my adoptions papers
A little over two weeks ago, Blue Thunder had a fairly close call. The car is OK, as are the folks who have/are working on it... but...
A short story & pictures tomorrow... time to get to bed soon! :yesnod:
No fair teasing :icon_smile_angry: ;)
Quote from: daveco on May 13, 2011, 12:07:15 AM
No fair teasing :icon_smile_angry: ;)
G'Morning Dave... :icon_smile_big: OK, here goes...
On 4/26/11 (aka "Hemi" Day ;) ), the body & paint shop that Blue Thunder spent most of the last two years, was destroyed by a F2 tornado that hit northern Arkansas. My Charger 500 had been moved late last year after the painting was complete to a restoration shop in another town that was spared by the twister.
However, important parts of my C500 remained at the body shop, like the entire front grille support structure... including all the C500 unique pieces such as the headlight bucket adapters. Fortunately, the missing C500 parts were recovered undamaged from the destroyed shop after a tractor with a hydraulic bucket was used to lift a collapsed wall to retrieve them.
I spoke briefly with the body shop owner Greg who rode out the tornado with his family in their house adjacent to the body shop that was destroyed. None of the family was injured, and the house was not too badly damaged. The shop will be rebuilt, but it was a very close call for Greg and his family! Greg has been a super nice guy to work with, and I hope that he can get his business up and running quickly again...
The pictures below were taken and sent to me via cell phone by the restoration shop owner yesterday... Thanks HT!
Below are two before pics & two after pics...
Allen
Four more "after" pics...
Here is a pre-tornado satellite picture showing Greg's house and shop. The building on the right is the shop that was destroyed. Also, it looks like the Charger 500 may have been in front of the shop when the satellite picture was taken... can't quite read the VIN number though... :lol:
Wow, hope he can rebuild.
Well at least he didnt have any cars in there. He didnt did he?
Glad your car was out :o
That is a shame his building was destroyed. Glad the family and home made out ok. One thing I did notice in the picture of the leveled building is there doesn't appear to be any vehicles damaged and also not much in the way of equipment or tools. Was this a storage building or did he actually do work in there?
Quote from: 1HotDaytona on May 13, 2011, 06:24:14 PM
Well at least he didnt have any cars in there. He didnt did he?
Quote from: Sydmoe on May 13, 2011, 07:42:14 PM
That is a shame his building was destroyed. Glad the family and home made out ok. One thing I did notice in the picture of the leveled building is there doesn't appear to be any vehicles damaged and also not much in the way of equipment or tools. Was this a storage building or did he actually do work in there?
It was definitely a working shop, not a storage building. I believe that I was told by someone (not Greg) that he had just moved a customer's car (1955 or 56 Chevy) from the body shop building to his house garage, perhaps to do some detailing (not certain). As I understood no customers cars were damaged.
In the top picture of the second picture post, there is a car in the debris field covered in a blue tarp, but I believe that it may be one of Greg's cars...
Quote from: Kiwi68 on May 13, 2011, 06:47:04 PM
Glad your car was out :o
Me too! But it is not the first time my Mopars have been attacked by a tornado... my Hemi `Cuda was hit in the mid 1990s...
(http://i66.photobucket.com/albums/h269/xs29j8/Misc%20Pictures/HCTornado001_1024W.jpg)
Damn.
Quote from: xs29j8Bullitt on May 13, 2011, 08:11:14 PM
Me too! But it is not the first time my Mopars have been attacked by a tornado... my Hemi `Cuda was hit in the mid 1990s...
Whew !!!
Quote from: hemi68charger on May 14, 2011, 08:07:22 AM
Quote from: xs29j8Bullitt on May 13, 2011, 08:11:14 PM
Me too! But it is not the first time my Mopars have been attacked by a tornado... my Hemi `Cuda was hit in the mid 1990s...
Whew !!!
a sigh of relief, trying not to imagine that happening the night your car was in there? can't say i blame you.
that's scary stuff
Quote from: held1823 on May 14, 2011, 08:18:13 AM
Quote from: hemi68charger on May 14, 2011, 08:07:22 AM
Quote from: xs29j8Bullitt on May 13, 2011, 08:11:14 PM
Me too! But it is not the first time my Mopars have been attacked by a tornado... my Hemi `Cuda was hit in the mid 1990s...
Whew !!!
a sigh of relief, trying not to imagine that happening the night your car was in there? can't say i blame you.
The tornado that almost got the Hemi `Cuda was in Wylie, Texas in the 1990s. The tornado struck during the day, and I saw the body shop on video from a CNN helicopter. I could see only a lime green blob of color in the corner of building that I knew it was kept. It took about five hours to get through to someone who had visited the shop after the tornado and confirm the Hemi `Cuda was not seriously damaged.. I lived 300+ miles away at the time.
Allen,
Thank you for updating everyone on my dilemma. Thanks to all for the well wishes and a special thanks to Ken for his help in removing parts that were buried under downed walls. Thank you Allen for your kind words and concern for me and my family. Fortunately I had moved a customer's '55 Chevy Bel Air 2 days prior to the tornado and it was spared any damage. Since the storm I have moved tools and most equipment into my attached garage for temporary storage during the repair/rebuilding process. If anyone would like to see storm video You Tube has some good footage of during and after the tornado. P.S.
Allen would you please give me a call on my cell phone as my records were lost in the storm.
Thanks again,
Greg :2thumbs:
Greg, we all wish you a speedy recovery from this disaster! Your work is superb, Thank the Lord you were all safe! :2thumbs:
Quote from: Kordsmeier-Auto on May 14, 2011, 10:37:19 PM
Allen,
Thank you for updating everyone on my dilemma. Thanks to all for the well wishes and a special thanks to Ken for his help in removing parts that were buried under downed walls. Thank you Allen for your kind words and concern for me and my family. Fortunately I had moved a customer's '55 Chevy Bel Air 2 days prior to the tornado and it was spared any damage. Since the storm I have moved tools and most equipment into my attached garage for temporary storage during the repair/rebuilding process. If anyone would like to see storm video You Tube has some good footage of during and after the tornado. P.S.
Allen would you please give me a call on my cell phone as my records were lost in the storm.
Thanks again,
Greg :2thumbs:
Hi Greg... I will call later today. Thanks for rescuing my C500 parts when you had much larger concerns to address.
Allen
Rescuing this thread from page 6... and despite the automated 60 day plus warning, I ain't starting over... :P :icon_smile_wink: (See first pic below...)
When I last spoke with Ken about a month ago, he said that only a little work was being done to my C500 at this time. He is still heavily involved in rebuilding the tornado damage homes in the area, and is concentrating on finishing two other Mopars he is working on. He expects to concentrate on finishing my C500 during this Fall/Winter, so hopefully I will have it back in time if there is a Aero car event at Texas Motor Speedway this Spring...
In the meantime, my update is to report that I received this cell phone pic showing Blue Thunder has been "un-boxed"... i.e. taken off of the wooden cart that has been it's home for 2 1/2 years. I assume this means that for the first time since 1982, a correct Dana 60 axle is back under it!
Here's Blue Thunder back on "all twos"... :cheers: :lol:
Looking good keep us updated
God, I love that color. This car is going to be beyond beautiful.
This truly is a "saga" for you and this Charger Allen! :cheers:
:drool5: looking forward to seeing more pictures :yesnod: :popcrn:
Awesome Allen !!! Nice to see the ole' girl coming along......... :2thumbs:
Quote from: held1823 on August 23, 2011, 11:56:27 PM
God, I love that color. This car is going to be beyond beautiful.
Thanks, it does look good in B5... that helps me keep the goal in mind... here is the photoshopped pic again... :coolgleamA:
Quote from: b5blue on August 24, 2011, 05:04:15 AM
This truly is a "saga" for you and this Charger Allen! :cheers:
Ain't that the truth... I almost feel the need to apologize for length of this effort. :P :brickwall:
Quote from: xs29j8Bullitt on August 24, 2011, 08:14:35 AM
Quote from: b5blue on August 24, 2011, 05:04:15 AM
This truly is a "saga" for you and this Charger Allen! :cheers:
Ain't that the truth... I almost feel the need to apologize for length of this effort. :P :brickwall:
Nope Allen! They come in different shapes and sizes! The length of time yours has taken is longer than it should be , but it will get there and then alot of that will fade away . The wind in your hair driving a fresh 69 500 with replace all of the woes that came before the "Go"!
Quote from: tan top on August 24, 2011, 05:28:40 AM
:drool5: looking forward to seeing more pictures :yesnod: :popcrn:
Quote from: hemi68charger on August 24, 2011, 05:36:56 AM
Awesome Allen !!! Nice to see the ole' girl coming along......... :2thumbs:
Thanks guys... I will post pics as soon as I get them! ;D
For now I am slowly re-organizing my workshops... mostly on hold now due to the 105+ Summer heat! :eek2:
Quote from: 1HotDaytona on August 24, 2011, 08:26:35 AM
Quote from: xs29j8Bullitt on August 24, 2011, 08:14:35 AM
Quote from: b5blue on August 24, 2011, 05:04:15 AM
This truly is a "saga" for you and this Charger Allen! :cheers:
Ain't that the truth... I almost feel the need to apologize for length of this effort. :P :brickwall:
Nope Allen! They come in different shapes and sizes! The length of time yours has taken is longer than it should be , but it will get there and then alot of that will fade away . The wind in your hair driving a fresh 69 500 with replace all of the woes that came before the "Go"!
Thanks Brian... I really need to find a way to get Bullitt in work! Re-organizing the shop is a prelude to a selling effort to raise the required funds... stay tuned! :icon_smile_wink:
:popcrn: :popcrn: :2thumbs:
Quote from: moparstuart on August 24, 2011, 10:18:44 AM
:popcrn: :popcrn: :2thumbs:
Thanks Stuart, and thanks again for your help on shipping the engine... I still owe you a favor... yeah, yeah... I know... adoption :lol:
Quote from: xs29j8Bullitt on August 24, 2011, 11:15:48 AM
Quote from: moparstuart on August 24, 2011, 10:18:44 AM
:popcrn: :popcrn: :2thumbs:
Thanks Stuart, and thanks again for your help on shipping the engine... I still owe you a favor... yeah, yeah... I know... adoption :lol:
or one of those pointy nose cars u have will do :icon_smile_big: really nothing is needed just glad i got to help you get the car back on the road . I charged you for my gas and crating of the motor that is plenty .
Any updates. Looking forward to seeing this car completed
Quote from: LeeBoy on December 29, 2011, 10:08:46 PM
Any updates. Looking forward to seeing this car completed
As am I!... Sorry for the long delay, but the "final push" to complete the car is beginning...
The restoration has been on hold since a tornado leveled the small town where it was painted. Fortunately, the C500 had been moved to another town a few months before the tornado struck... destroying the paint & body shop where the work had been done.
The gentleman doing the re-assembly of the C500 also is a construction contractor in the area, and has been BUSY since the tornado in the Spring of last year. The car was placed in storage while the shop was used to store household goods while homes were being built/rebuilt. Having been cleared of household furnishings, the shop is being brought back "on-line". The next week or so will primarily consist of setting up the shop for business again, and determining where everything is (status wise), and generating a list of needed items for the completion of the restoration...
In the meantime, I have been making good progress in re-organizing my workshop and preparing for the next restoration project. I have begun setting up the final sets of shelving with help from some friends... taking advantage of the mild Winter weather so far. See pics below... and stay tuned in for the end of this saga.
Quote from: xs29j8Bullitt on February 09, 2012, 10:47:55 AM
Quote from: LeeBoy on December 29, 2011, 10:08:46 PM
Any updates. Looking forward to seeing this car completed
As am I!... Sorry for the long delay, but the "final push" to complete the car is beginning...
The restoration has been on hold since a tornado leveled the small town where it was painted. Fortunately, the C500 had been moved to another town a few months before the tornado struck... destroying the paint & body shop where the work had been done.
The gentleman doing the re-assembly of the C500 also is a construction contractor in the area, and has been BUSY since the tornado in the Spring of last year. The car was placed in storage while the shop was used to store household goods while homes were being built/rebuilt. Having been cleared of household furnishings, the shop is being brought back "on-line". The next week or so will primarily consist of setting up the shop for business again, and determining where everything is (status wise), and generating a list of needed items for the completion of the restoration...
In the meantime, I have been making good progress in re-organizing my workshop and preparing for the next restoration project. I have begun setting up the final sets of shelving with help from some friends... taking advantage of the mild Winter weather so far. See pics below... and stay tuned in for the end of this saga.
wow allen your cars are tornado magnets , maybe your garagemahall should have been an under ground bunker :icon_smile_big: good to hear its safe and going to progress soon :2thumbs: :2thumbs: :2thumbs: :2thumbs:
Hi Allen, man that was a close one. Glad to hear you and the car are safe. I have to agree with Stu, maybe you ought to think about that underground bunker garage. :2thumbs:
Looking forward to the completion of that fine automobile. :popcrn:
WINGR/Steve
Looks like you only have 10 or 11 spare sets of Hemi valve covers, maybe you should try and find a few more sets!
Quote from: WINGR on February 09, 2012, 05:25:13 PM
I have to agree with Stu, maybe you ought to think about that underground bunker garage.
Quote from: FJMG on February 09, 2012, 07:00:36 PM
Looks like you only have 10 or 11 spare sets of Hemi valve covers,
Allen I have to agree in one way you don't have very good luck with storms. In another way you have real good luck as I don't believe you've had a car severely damaged or totaled at least. But I don't want to be around if a storm hits your shop. There will be Hemi valve covers flying everywhere. :smilielol:
Shop looks very nice. Is this the new building we're seeing??? Good to hear car will be coming along. :2thumbs:
Quote from: moparstuart on February 09, 2012, 01:02:40 PM
wow allen your cars are tornado magnets , maybe your garagemahall should have been an under ground bunker :icon_smile_big: good to hear its safe and going to progress soon :2thumbs: :2thumbs: :2thumbs: :2thumbs:
Yes, it appears they are... what are the odds two cars owned by me would have close calls (the Hemi `Cuda was actually damaged slightly) by different tornados years apart...?
BTW, I have house guests for the next three days... so I will not be posting often.
Quote from: WINGR on February 09, 2012, 05:25:13 PM
Hi Allen, man that was a close one. Glad to hear you and the car are safe. I have to agree with Stu, maybe you ought to think about that underground bunker garage. :2thumbs:
Looking forward to the completion of that fine automobile. :popcrn:
WINGR/Steve
Thanks Steve... there was a rumor that the Dodge Mahal was only an elevator entrance leading to a vast underground complex built by ancient aliens.... :shruggy: :smilielol:
Quote from: xs29j8Bullitt on February 10, 2012, 02:04:12 PM
Quote from: WINGR on February 09, 2012, 05:25:13 PM
Hi Allen, man that was a close one. Glad to hear you and the car are safe. I have to agree with Stu, maybe you ought to think about that underground bunker garage. :2thumbs:
Looking forward to the completion of that fine automobile. :popcrn:
WINGR/Steve
Thanks Steve... there was a rumor that the Dodge Mahal was only an elevator entrance leading to a vast underground complex built by ancient aliens.... :shruggy: :smilielol:
now we know the rest of the story :D
Quote from: FJMG on February 09, 2012, 07:00:36 PM
Looks like you only have 10 or 11 spare sets of Hemi valve covers, maybe you should try and find a few more sets!
My PhotoShop skills are constantly improving... here's another one I made up... convincing, eh?
Quote from: xs29j8Bullitt on February 10, 2012, 02:13:24 PM
Quote from: FJMG on February 09, 2012, 07:00:36 PM
Looks like you only have 10 or 11 spare sets of Hemi valve covers, maybe you should try and find a few more sets!
My PhotoShop skills are constantly improving... here's another one I made up... convincing, eh?
Dang Dude... Allen.......... You have the complete interior and/or other total component restoration stacked up there for any of your other cars.........
Quote from: Davtona on February 10, 2012, 12:05:47 AM
Quote from: WINGR on February 09, 2012, 05:25:13 PM
I have to agree with Stu, maybe you ought to think about that underground bunker garage.
Quote from: FJMG on February 09, 2012, 07:00:36 PM
Looks like you only have 10 or 11 spare sets of Hemi valve covers,
Allen I have to agree in one way you don't have very good luck with storms. In another way you have real good luck as I don't believe you've had a car severely damaged or totaled at least. But I don't want to be around if a storm hits your shop. There will be Hemi valve covers flying everywhere. :smilielol:
Shop looks very nice. Is this the new building we're seeing??? Good to hear car will be coming along. :2thumbs:
Its starting to get there finally... expecting major improvements this year... :yesnod:
No, this is the original 50x60 shop... the second shop is much better organized, but interior pictures are "unavailable" at this time... :icon_smile_wink:
Quote from: xs29j8Bullitt on February 10, 2012, 02:24:13 PM
Quote from: Davtona on February 10, 2012, 12:05:47 AM
Quote from: WINGR on February 09, 2012, 05:25:13 PM
I have to agree with Stu, maybe you ought to think about that underground bunker garage.
Quote from: FJMG on February 09, 2012, 07:00:36 PM
Looks like you only have 10 or 11 spare sets of Hemi valve covers,
Allen I have to agree in one way you don't have very good luck with storms. In another way you have real good luck as I don't believe you've had a car severely damaged or totaled at least. But I don't want to be around if a storm hits your shop. There will be Hemi valve covers flying everywhere. :smilielol:
Shop looks very nice. Is this the new building we're seeing??? Good to hear car will be coming along. :2thumbs:
Its starting to get there finally... expecting major improvements this year... :yesnod:
No, this is the original 50x60 shop... the second shop is much better organized, but interior pictures are "unavailable" at this time... :icon_smile_wink:
couldnt get the secret under ground bunker doors shut to take a picture i bet . :icon_smile_big:
Quote from: hemi68charger on February 10, 2012, 02:21:48 PM
Quote from: xs29j8Bullitt on February 10, 2012, 02:13:24 PM
Quote from: FJMG on February 09, 2012, 07:00:36 PM
Looks like you only have 10 or 11 spare sets of Hemi valve covers, maybe you should try and find a few more sets!
My PhotoShop skills are constantly improving... here's another one I made up... convincing, eh?
Dang Dude... Allen.......... You have the complete interior and/or other total component restoration stacked up there for any of your other cars.........
:D
BTW, here is a REAL photoshopped pic for decorating one of the the walls of the workshop... banners for the two end walls are already made.
Quote from: xs29j8Bullitt on February 10, 2012, 02:24:13 PM
No, this is the original 50x60 shop... the second shop is much better organized, but interior pictures are "unavailable" at this time... :icon_smile_wink:
They won't let us look inside Fort Knox either. :lol:
Quote from: Davtona on February 10, 2012, 02:44:02 PM
Quote from: xs29j8Bullitt on February 10, 2012, 02:24:13 PM
No, this is the original 50x60 shop... the second shop is much better organized, but interior pictures are "unavailable" at this time... :icon_smile_wink:
They won't let us look inside Fort Knox either. :lol:
:smilielol: No, its not for that reason, many of the cars in there are rather mundane... for example my 1968 4 Dr HT Polara 50K mile survivor car and a friend's Caddy Allante...
Ken and I have been discussing the use of a CenterForce clutch in the C500... requiring the removal of the clutch pedal over-center spring. Anyone have experience/comments to share?
On the workshop re-org front... more progress was made! See pics... :coolgleamA:
I just love that 68 Hemi Charger poster :drool5:
Quote from: Fred on February 19, 2012, 02:45:57 AM
I just love that 68 Hemi Charger poster :drool5:
It's my favorite... bought mine on eBay, but is also available here:
http://www.automotive-art.com/product.asp?id=RM0004 (http://www.automotive-art.com/product.asp?id=RM0004)
...
Shop is looking fantastic :2thumbs:
Alan, I too am a big fan of the centerforce clutch. holds awesome and the pedal pressure is more tolerable. you are right on the money with removing the spring though.
Quote from: moparstuart on February 19, 2012, 07:34:14 AM
Shop is looking fantastic :2thumbs:
Thanks Stuart... It's starting to get there finally, but has a ways to go. Moved a small refrigerator and a TV with built in DVD & VHS players into the workshop last week. Many more changes coming this year!
Below is a picture of the same area taken 4+ years ago compared to the one taken last night...
Quote from: 1HotDaytona on February 19, 2012, 07:42:57 AM
Alan, I too am a big fan of the centerforce clutch. holds awesome and the pedal pressure is more tolerable. you are right on the money with removing the spring though.
Thanks Brian, that's exactly what I was hoping to hear. I believe most of the "bad press" on the CF clutch is a result of leaving the OC spring in...
I have a center force clutch in my superbird, however the guy that had the car before me had it installed. But it works wonderfull.
Quote from: GULFGLENY on February 19, 2012, 08:19:48 AM
I have a center force clutch in my superbird, however the guy that had the car before me had it installed. But it works wonderfull.
Thanks for the input... :cheers: It was Ken's suggestion, and sounds like a good one!
Quote from: xs29j8Bullitt on February 19, 2012, 12:04:37 AM
Ken and I have been discussing the use of a CenterForce clutch in the C500... requiring the removal of the clutch pedal over-center spring. Anyone have experience/comments to share?
On the workshop re-org front... more progress was made! See pics... :coolgleamA:
Allen, I had a CenterForce clutch in my C500.... It was a GREAT clutch and felt great.. Great driveability characteristics.
Quote from: hemi68charger on February 19, 2012, 08:38:03 AM
Quote from: xs29j8Bullitt on February 19, 2012, 12:04:37 AM
Ken and I have been discussing the use of a CenterForce clutch in the C500... requiring the removal of the clutch pedal over-center spring. Anyone have experience/comments to share?
On the workshop re-org front... more progress was made! See pics... :coolgleamA:
Allen, I had a CenterForce clutch in my C500.... It was a GREAT clutch and felt great.. Great driveability characteristics.
Thanks Troy... I think a trend in opinions is developing... :2thumbs:
I left the over center spring in place and use a Toyota return spring (found in the AutoZone HELP! section) underneath to tune the feel.
If you powershift the car it sounds like it's going to crack in half...that thing hits HARD.
Quote from: xs29j8Bullitt on February 19, 2012, 05:56:23 AM
Quote from: Fred on February 19, 2012, 02:45:57 AM
I just love that 68 Hemi Charger poster :drool5:
It's my favorite... bought mine on eBay, but is also available here:
http://www.automotive-art.com/product.asp?id=RM0004 (http://www.automotive-art.com/product.asp?id=RM0004)
...
Thanks for the info. I did just print out an A4 copy for my garage wall but now I'll invest in the real deal. :2thumbs:
Allen, the taxicab/loaner has a Centerforce clutch assembly in it, which was installed about 10 years ago after I burned up a McLeod three-prong clutch while trying to load the car in an enclosed trailer after dark (and trying not to kill the guy helping me load the car in the process :o )
The shop that installed the clutch didn't bother to remove the over-center spring, and I hated the way it felt -- not near enough pedal pressure required, and it didn't have the right "feel" when trying to feather the clutch pedal. That's what I get for not doing the job myself. Not knowing exactly what the problem was, I drove it that way for 6-7 years, and in the process managed to miss a few speed shifts when the clutch pedal didn't come up off the carpet (thankfully, no engine damage). At first I thought that happened because of the crappy YearOne floor mats I was using at the time. I hated that clutch so much that I intentionally abused it just hoping it would give up the ghost as easily as the McLeod did.
A couple years back I had it up on the lift here at the shop, after (Fearless Leader) Troy and I went on a cruise at Carlisle. I cracked open the inspection cover just to see how close it was to needing replace. To my dismay, it looked almost new! Troy and I had discussed the over-center spring at the time, so I thought I'd see how it felt with that spring removed. Night and day difference... Everything feels right, and as Doug says, it grabs hard. I also know it's pretty tough, considering how well it's held up so far.
I'd give the Centerforce :2thumbs: , but ONLY if the O/C spring is removed. I've never had any judges question the missing spring, so I wouldn't worry about not having it in place.
:Twocents:
Quote from: hemigeno on February 21, 2012, 09:43:13 AM
Allen, the taxicab/loaner has a Centerforce clutch assembly in it, which was installed about 10 years ago after I burned up a McLeod three-prong clutch while trying to load the car in an enclosed trailer after dark (and trying not to kill the guy helping me load the car in the process :o )
The shop that installed the clutch didn't bother to remove the over-center spring, and I hated the way it felt -- not near enough pedal pressure required, and it didn't have the right "feel" when trying to feather the clutch pedal. That's what I get for not doing the job myself. Not knowing exactly what the problem was, I drove it that way for 6-7 years, and in the process managed to miss a few speed shifts when the clutch pedal didn't come up off the carpet (thankfully, no engine damage). At first I thought that happened because of the crappy YearOne floor mats I was using at the time. I hated that clutch so much that I intentionally abused it just hoping it would give up the ghost as easily as the McLeod did.
A couple years back I had it up on the lift here at the shop, after (Fearless Leader) Troy and I went on a cruise at Carlisle. I cracked open the inspection cover just to see how close it was to needing replace. To my dismay, it looked almost new! Troy and I had discussed the over-center spring at the time, so I thought I'd see how it felt with that spring removed. Night and day difference... Everything feels right, and as Doug says, it grabs hard. I also know it's pretty tough, considering how well it's held up so far.
I'd give the Centerforce :2thumbs: , but ONLY if the O/C spring is removed. I've never had any judges question the missing spring, so I wouldn't worry about not having it in place.
:Twocents:
Thanks for the input Gene, your car was one I remembered having had some issues. Was the O/C spring still on the car when Dave drove it. I remember it took 5-6
passes... errr, stop signs... ;) for him to really get the hang of taking off in it.
Sorry for the slow reply, I have been out in the workshop a LOT lately due to the mild weather. Finally have a wide path cleared to remove two old car lifts that I bought many years ago, but never installed. Getting them out of the way will allow the workshop re-organization to proceed more rapidly.Cleared the pile-o-parts next to the Daytona, then maneuvered the Six Pack Charger & Challenger T/A into that area to open up the exit path for the lifts...
The Dodge Mahal is starting to look less shabby, but still has a long ways to go.
Mopar heaven
Quote from: xs29j8Bullitt on February 26, 2012, 10:48:39 AM
Thanks for the input Gene, your car was one I remembered having had some issues. Was the O/C spring still on the car when Dave drove it. I remember it took 5-6 passes... errr, stop signs... ;) for him to really get the hang of taking off in it.
What are you saying Allen ??? Not sure I'm getting your point here. :scratchchin: I remember it kinda like :drive: Well maybe not quite like that. :smilielol: :smilielol: :smilielol:
Quote from: Davtona on February 26, 2012, 01:34:26 PM
Quote from: xs29j8Bullitt on February 26, 2012, 10:48:39 AM
Thanks for the input Gene, your car was one I remembered having had some issues. Was the O/C spring still on the car when Dave drove it. I remember it took 5-6 passes... errr, stop signs... ;) for him to really get the hang of taking off in it.
What are you saying Allen ??? Not sure I'm getting your point here. :scratchchin: I remember it kinda like :drive: Well maybe not quite like that. :smilielol: :smilielol: :smilielol:
so did gene need a new set of rear tires when u guys were done with the taxi cab
Quote from: moparstuart on February 26, 2012, 02:11:58 PM
so did gene need a new set of rear tires when u guys were done with the taxi cab
Ya Right :lol: No new tires needed after that cruise. I believe we refered to it as the drivers ed car when I had it. :smilielol: :smilielol:
Place looks awesome!!! :drool5:
Quote from: xs29j8Bullitt on February 26, 2012, 10:48:39 AM
Thanks for the input Gene, your car was one I remembered having had some issues. Was the O/C spring still on the car when Dave drove it. I remember it took 5-6 passes... errr, stop signs... ;) for him to really get the hang of taking off in it.
The O/C spring was still installed when you guys cruised around, and it definitely took some adjustment to keep from killing it while taking off. I think both Troy's and Dave's similar difficulties with that setup convinced me to take action... and trust me, Dave didn't do anything to it that hadn't been done before many times :lol:
I was actually hoping he'd light 'em up a few times and get the itch to put one or two of his cars back on the road soon. If my calc's are correct, he's owned a car with easy-access plugs twice as long as I have... not to mention the one(s) with the towel rack option. (hint, hint :poke: ;) )
BTW, the shop's looking great!
Quote from: Davtona on February 26, 2012, 02:47:46 PM
Quote from: moparstuart on February 26, 2012, 02:11:58 PM
so did gene need a new set of rear tires when u guys were done with the taxi cab
Ya Right :lol: No new tires needed after that cruise. I believe we refered to it as the drivers ed car when I had it. :smilielol: :smilielol:
You are right about that Dave... just wanted to see what your reaction time would be... ;) :smilielol:
I thought you might point out that I never volunteered to drive, so I cannot be too critical of someone that stepped up to the plate when asked... Ya done good Dave! :cheers:
Quote from: Just 6T9 CHGR on February 26, 2012, 04:45:08 PM
Place looks awesome!!! :drool5:
Thanks Chris.... Many more changes coming... more shelving & lights under the mezzanine, pegboards & banners coming soon,
Quote from: hemigeno on February 26, 2012, 08:03:24 PM
Quote from: xs29j8Bullitt on February 26, 2012, 10:48:39 AM
Thanks for the input Gene, your car was one I remembered having had some issues. Was the O/C spring still on the car when Dave drove it. I remember it took 5-6 passes... errr, stop signs... ;) for him to really get the hang of taking off in it.
The O/C spring was still installed when you guys cruised around, and it definitely took some adjustment to keep from killing it while taking off. I think both Troy's and Dave's similar difficulties with that setup convinced me to take action... and trust me, Dave didn't do anything to it that hadn't been done before many times :lol:
I was actually hoping he'd light 'em up a few times and get the itch to put one or two of his cars back on the road soon. If my calc's are correct, he's owned a car with easy-access plugs twice as long as I have... not to mention the one(s) with the towel rack option. (hint, hint :poke: ;) )
BTW, the shop's looking great!
Well, at the very least you put a big-ol'-grin on Dave's face all weekend... and probably for months later too!
Thanks for the kind words about my shop Gene & Stuart... :cheers:
Ok Allen, it's been a month.. What's new with the 500 and your (I WANT THAT), shop???
Quote from: Steve P. on March 29, 2012, 02:34:54 PM
Ok Allen, it's been a month.. What's new with the 500 and your (I WANT THAT), shop???
Expecting an update and pictures soon (I hope) on the C500...
Much progress on my `Cuda 440-6...
http://www.dodgecharger.com/forum/index.php/topic,90300.0.html (http://www.dodgecharger.com/forum/index.php/topic,90300.0.html)
Much progress on my Workshop... planning too get a lot more done tomorrow and through the weekend! I will go take some in work pics now and post them later this evening...
:2thumbs:
I'm thinking that underground garage might be just what you need, Mr. Tornado!!! Love your shop too!!!
Quote from: Steve P. on March 29, 2012, 04:52:01 PM
I'm thinking that underground garage might be just what you need, Mr. Tornado!!! Love your shop too!!!
shhhhhhhsh you have to keep that on the down low , that is his seacret bunker
Quote from: moparstuart on March 29, 2012, 04:59:37 PM
Quote from: Steve P. on March 29, 2012, 04:52:01 PM
I'm thinking that underground garage might be just what you need, Mr. Tornado!!! Love your shop too!!!
shhhhhhhsh you have to keep that on the down low , that is his seacret bunker
All non-acknowledged programs have been relocated to the annex... rumored to be called "Hanger 71"... LOL
A few Workshop re-org pics tonight... too tired to comment too much! :P
Shelving is filling up...
New equipment bought years ago will finally be unboxed...
Some "luxury items" too... ;)
The last holdout area with a lot of boxes is tomorrow's main target....
If you run out of room for those lifts I can use one... :D
Yeah I guess you have been busy. Looks good in there.
allen i hope your safe in your bunker , seeing as your cars are tornado magnets
http://www.nbcdfw.com/weather/stories/Severe-Storms-Building-to-the-West-145934445.html
Work is finally beginning again on this endless project... more text later, pictures for now...
.......................... :cheers:
............................. :popcrn:
I'll be down there in a couple weeks. Do you want me to crack the whip? :smilielol:
That car is going to be nice!
Behind schedule are we?
.................... :drool5:
Quote from: Aero426 on September 01, 2012, 11:28:19 AM
I'll be down there in a couple weeks. Do you want me to crack the whip? :smilielol:
That car is going to be nice!
Maybe I will take a trip up there too... :scratchchin:
Quote from: Ghoste on September 01, 2012, 11:29:48 AM
Behind schedule are we?
I am 35 years behind on life's schedule... those that know me check my Facebook page announcement.... :smilielol:
Ken is good people and he does top notch work.
Congrats to you Allen on your big news!
Quote from: xs29j8Bullitt on September 01, 2012, 11:39:27 AM
Quote from: Ghoste on September 01, 2012, 11:29:48 AM
Behind schedule are we?
I am 35 years behind on life's schedule... those that know me check my Facebook page announcement.... :smilielol:
An old cliche but it's likely appropriate to say, better late than never. :yesnod: Doug is right, the car is going to be great when its done and well worth it.
I am so happy I saw this thread a week ago. Lots of good pictures and reading. Been going through it for days.
I recently found a near twin to this car, 1969 Charger 500, B5, 4-speed, it came with the other engine available though. This is not me gloating for my ego about what I have found. I am going to forward the owner this thread for future reference and hopefully inspire him to do something with it.
So thank you for sharing it with everyone.
Ryan
Quote from: Aero426 on September 01, 2012, 12:29:30 PM
Ken is good people and he does top notch work.
Congrats to you Allen on your big news!
Yes, Ken is absolutely a great guy who does top notch work... and I owe him a debt of gratitude for rescuing my Charger 500 from the first shop that I took it to...
Thanks for the Congrats Doug... for those that do not yet know, I am engaged to be married to great lady who accepts my car hobby as a part of my life...
Quote from: xs29j8Bullitt on September 02, 2012, 11:38:19 AM
.. for those that do not yet know, I am engaged to be married to great lady who accepts my car hobby as a part of my life...
:cheers: That's great! Congratulations Allen!! :cheers:
Quote from: daveco on September 02, 2012, 07:14:18 PM
Quote from: xs29j8Bullitt on September 02, 2012, 11:38:19 AM
.. for those that do not yet know, I am engaged to be married to great lady who accepts my car hobby as a part of my life...
:cheers: That's great! Congratulations Allen!! :cheers:
:2thumbs: :2thumbs: :2thumbs: :2thumbs: :2thumbs: :cheers: :cheers: :cheers: :cheers: :cheers: :cheers: :cheers:
Allen,
Great to see Ken making progress on Blue Thunder. I'll be back in AR in October and hopefully can see BT and Ken in person.
Greg
Awesome Allen !!! Glad to see her pushing forward, I know you've be patient through the whole process. Again, looks like she's in very good hands. Do you need to borrow the heater box part number stamp I have?
T
Quote from: hemi68charger on September 05, 2012, 08:07:44 AM
Awesome Allen !!! Glad to see her pushing forward, I know you've be patient through the whole process. Again, looks like she's in very good hands. Do you need to borrow the heater box part number stamp I have?
T
Thanks Troy... I will check with Ken...
Any updates. I'm really interested in this project.
:popcrn: :popcrn: :popcrn: :popcrn: :popcrn: :popcrn:
Sorry no updates today on Allen's 500 I'm a one band man, finished and delivered 3 cars this year including a 6pk 70 Cuda and a Superbird of good friend of mine that I've had for years. The real progres starts now
Ken
Happy New Year
Quote from: Hemi_tyme on December 29, 2012, 11:26:41 PM
Sorry no updates today on Allen's 500 I'm a one band man, finished and delivered 3 cars this year including a 6pk 70 Cuda and a Superbird of good friend of mine that I've had for years. The real progres starts now
Ken
BTW who ever sold the engine to Allen is.......taxinng my stash of bolts
Happy New Year
:smilielol: i didnt sell it to him but i picked it up for him :nana:
Quote from: Hemi_tyme on December 29, 2012, 11:26:41 PM
Sorry no updates today on Allen's 500 I'm a one band man, finished and delivered 3 cars this year including a 6pk 70 Cuda and a Superbird of good friend of mine that I've had for years. The real progres starts now
Ken
Happy New Year
Good to hear.......... Maybe 2013 you can do another 500...... :)
Quote from: moparstuart on December 30, 2012, 12:00:00 AM
Quote from: Hemi_tyme on December 29, 2012, 11:26:41 PM
Sorry no updates today on Allen's 500 I'm a one band man, finished and delivered 3 cars this year including a 6pk 70 Cuda and a Superbird of good friend of mine that I've had for years. The real progres starts now
Ken
BTW who ever sold the engine to Allen is.......taxinng my stash of bolts
Happy New Year
:smilielol: i didnt sell it to him but i picked it up for him :nana:
Thanks for the update Ken... I will replace the bolts raided from your stash ( I have a good supply of engine bolts)
In the meantime, I let a friend drive my `Cuda 440-6 on a 30 mile round trip...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Rj2EcOdbm_w (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Rj2EcOdbm_w)
Allen
What gear ratio is your car?
It sounds good
Quote from: Rob1426 on January 04, 2013, 05:03:54 PM
Allen
What gear ratio is your car?
It sounds good
Hi Bob... Although the car came with 4.10s, it still has the 3.54s that the second owner installed during the 1973 fuel crisis... Remember when we tried it against your Hemi out near Fey's back 30 years ago in San Antonio?... Your Hemi won, but Ol' Yeller gave it a good run, and even now with 40+ old tired engine it still runs fairly strong...
I spent about four hours in my shop yesterday looking for parts needed for completion of my C500, working from a preliminary list provided by Ken. After all these years, some parts are proving to be elusive, while others are quickly found... I am even robbing the parts stashes of some of my other cars to expedite the process... This almost mint console was bought many years ago for my Hemi Road Runner, but I believe I will use it on Blue Thunder to save time...
Looks like it even came with a jar of caramel topping. Score!
Troy
Quote from: Troy on January 06, 2013, 12:11:33 PM
Looks like it even came with a jar of caramel topping. Score!
Troy
Nope... just small clips & screws... :brickwall: :lol:
For a second there I saw the box and my first thought was wow he's got a NOS console for the 500. :lol:
Quote from: Davtona on January 06, 2013, 02:28:22 PM
For a second there I saw the box and my first thought was wow he's got a NOS console for the 500. :lol:
Who... ME?... :shruggy: :D
Ken is working on the doors today, and sent this picture... Here we go! :drool5: :woohoo:
Quote from: xs29j8Bullitt on January 07, 2013, 02:15:07 PM
Quote from: Davtona on January 06, 2013, 02:28:22 PM
For a second there I saw the box and my first thought was wow he's got a NOS console for the 500. :lol:
Who... ME?... :shruggy: :D
Ken is working on the doors today, and sent this picture... Here we go! :drool5: :woohoo:
:2thumbs: :2thumbs: :2thumbs:
Quote from: xs29j8Bullitt on January 07, 2013, 02:15:07 PM
Quote from: Davtona on January 06, 2013, 02:28:22 PM
For a second there I saw the box and my first thought was wow he's got a NOS console for the 500. :lol:
Who... ME?... :shruggy: :D
Ken is working on the doors today, and sent this picture... Here we go! :drool5: :woohoo:
Wait til ya see the end of the work week progress pictures. Unless i make a road trip Thursday or Friday to pick up more parts to keep me busy next week
Quote from: xs29j8Bullitt on January 07, 2013, 02:15:07 PM
Quote from: Davtona on January 06, 2013, 02:28:22 PM
For a second there I saw the box and my first thought was wow he's got a NOS console for the 500. :lol:
Who... ME?... :shruggy: :D
Ken is working on the doors today, and sent this picture... Here we go! :drool5: :woohoo:
Awesome Allen and Ken !!!!! Does that have the chrome or black button on the door handle? Should it be or or another or does it matter on later SPD 500's?
Quote from: hemi68charger on January 08, 2013, 07:41:04 AM
Quote from: xs29j8Bullitt on January 07, 2013, 02:15:07 PM
Quote from: Davtona on January 06, 2013, 02:28:22 PM
For a second there I saw the box and my first thought was wow he's got a NOS console for the 500. :lol:
Who... ME?... :shruggy: :D
Ken is working on the doors today, and sent this picture... Here we go! :drool5: :woohoo:
Awesome Allen and Ken !!!!! Does that have the chrome or black button on the door handle? Should it be or or another or does it matter on later SPD 500's?
Based on my research, the buttons were black on the C500s, and chrome on the Daytonas. My fairly late SPD Charger 500 (12/4/68) had black buttons, but the repros all have chrome...and I have decided to leave them unchanged.
do the black buttons not interchange into the new handles ??
Quote from: moparstuart on January 08, 2013, 11:02:48 AM
do the black buttons not interchange into the new handles ??
They do interchange, but I like the chrome better... Like the incorrect recall wheels, they can be easily swapped out in the future if so desired...
Quote from: xs29j8Bullitt on January 08, 2013, 12:10:53 PM
Quote from: moparstuart on January 08, 2013, 11:02:48 AM
do the black buttons not interchange into the new handles ??
They do interchange, but I like the chrome better... Like the incorrect recall wheels, they can be easily swapped out in the future if so desired...
I got you , :2thumbs: :2thumbs: :2thumbs: make it your own :icon_smile_big: I totally agree with you on the RECALLS :drool5: :drool5: :drool5: :drool5: :drool5: :drool5: :drool5: :drool5: :drool5:
Quote from: moparstuart on January 08, 2013, 12:38:56 PM
Quote from: xs29j8Bullitt on January 08, 2013, 12:10:53 PM
Quote from: moparstuart on January 08, 2013, 11:02:48 AM
do the black buttons not interchange into the new handles ??
They do interchange, but I like the chrome better... Like the incorrect recall wheels, they can be easily swapped out in the future if so desired...
I got you , :2thumbs: :2thumbs: :2thumbs: make it your own :icon_smile_big: I totally agree with you on the RECALLS :drool5: :drool5: :drool5: :drool5: :drool5: :drool5: :drool5: :drool5: :drool5:
Also trying to decide what tire to use on the Recall Wheels.... Repro Kelsey Goodyear Redlines or Diamondback (BFG) Radial Redlines... Has anyone used the Diamondback modified BFG radials? Opinions/Reasons? :scratchchin: :popcrn:
Quote from: xs29j8Bullitt on January 08, 2013, 01:44:42 PM
Quote from: moparstuart on January 08, 2013, 12:38:56 PM
Quote from: xs29j8Bullitt on January 08, 2013, 12:10:53 PM
Quote from: moparstuart on January 08, 2013, 11:02:48 AM
do the black buttons not interchange into the new handles ??
They do interchange, but I like the chrome better... Like the incorrect recall wheels, they can be easily swapped out in the future if so desired...
I got you , :2thumbs: :2thumbs: :2thumbs: make it your own :icon_smile_big: I totally agree with you on the RECALLS :drool5: :drool5: :drool5: :drool5: :drool5: :drool5: :drool5: :drool5: :drool5:
Also trying to decide what tire to use on the Recall Wheels.... Repro Kelsey Goodyear Redlines or Diamondback (BFG) Radial Redlines... Has anyone used the Diamondback modified BFG radials? Opinions/Reasons? :scratchchin: :popcrn:
wayne has the diamond backs on his recalls and last i heard he liked them
Quote from: moparstuart on January 08, 2013, 03:45:04 PM
Quote from: xs29j8Bullitt on January 08, 2013, 01:44:42 PM
Quote from: moparstuart on January 08, 2013, 12:38:56 PM
Quote from: xs29j8Bullitt on January 08, 2013, 12:10:53 PM
Quote from: moparstuart on January 08, 2013, 11:02:48 AM
do the black buttons not interchange into the new handles ??
They do interchange, but I like the chrome better... Like the incorrect recall wheels, they can be easily swapped out in the future if so desired...
I got you , :2thumbs: :2thumbs: :2thumbs: make it your own :icon_smile_big: I totally agree with you on the RECALLS :drool5: :drool5: :drool5: :drool5: :drool5: :drool5: :drool5: :drool5: :drool5:
Also trying to decide what tire to use on the Recall Wheels.... Repro Kelsey Goodyear Redlines or Diamondback (BFG) Radial Redlines... Has anyone used the Diamondback modified BFG radials? Opinions/Reasons? :scratchchin: :popcrn:
wayne has the diamond backs on his recalls and last i heard he liked them
I called them earlier today and found out that they can do the redline mod to BFG Drag Radials for $140 per tire plus the list price of the BFG DR... :D
Quote from: Hemi_tyme on January 07, 2013, 09:58:31 PM
Quote from: xs29j8Bullitt on January 07, 2013, 02:15:07 PM
Quote from: Davtona on January 06, 2013, 02:28:22 PM
For a second there I saw the box and my first thought was wow he's got a NOS console for the 500. :lol:
Who... ME?... :shruggy: :D
Ken is working on the doors today, and sent this picture... Here we go! :drool5: :woohoo:
Wait til ya see the end of the work week progress pictures. Unless i make a road trip Thursday or Friday to pick up more parts to keep me busy next week
My security cameras recorded two guys rummaging through my Dodge Mahal and the annex Hanger 71, observing them loading up and heading out-of-state... Not to worry though, it was Ken and his friend Gary doing me a huge favor by picking up needed C500 parts... many of them being difficult to ship. THANKS KEN! :cheers:
Caught red-handed....... Is there a police report?
Nice Camera Setup! Now all you need is a moat with crocodiles around your Dodge Mahol next! :lol:
Quote from: 70moparman on January 16, 2013, 02:41:40 PM
Nice Camera Setup! Now all you need is a moat with crocodiles around your Dodge Mahol next! :lol:
Can't have a moat... the extra humidity would affect the laser cannons... :D
I recognize one of them and will gladly testify in court :icon_smile_big:
Also,, I have resumed ordering needed repro parts for Blue Thunder... a BE&A order was delivered to Ken's shop yesterday as well... This one had Upper Door Pads (set of 4), Tail Light Lenses with Bezels, and Sill Plates... As tight as my hobby finances are at the moment, look for "For Sale" ads in the near future to pay off credit card debt that I am running up... :'(
Progress is continuing on Blue Thunder as it nears a major milestone... the reuniting of drivetrain and body... expected to occur within the next two weeks. :yesnod:
Here is a picture that I received from Ken today... :cheers:
Quote from: xs29j8Bullitt on January 30, 2013, 01:44:41 PM
Progress is continuing on Blue Thunder as it nears a major milestone... the reuniting of drivetrain and body... expected to occur within the next two weeks. :yesnod:
Here is a picture that I received from Ken today... :cheers:
Sweet!! :2thumbs:
:coolgleamA: :drool5: :popcrn:
Quote from: xs29j8Bullitt on January 30, 2013, 01:44:41 PM
Here is a picture that I received from Ken today... :cheers:
Looks more like a ransom note to me :lol:
great progress :2thumbs:
In the wooded lands of the Southern US, the mighty steed's late Winter mating season approaches... :icon_smile_big:
:cheers: :cheers: :cheers: :cheers: :cheers:
fantastic , motor look amazing :drool5: :drool5: :drool5: :drool5: :drool5: :drool5:
WOW!!! is an understatement :drool5: :drool5: :drool5: :drool5: Sorry, did I drool too much? :lol: Looks great :2thumbs: :2thumbs: :2thumbs: :2thumbs: Can't wait to see it completed
Looking good Allen and Ken... :2thumbs:
Great work boys!
:drool5: :drool5: :drool5: :2thumbs: great stuff :popcrn:
very nice, I do love the blue!
Allen it's so nice of you to fix the 500 up before I buy it from you. ;) just kidding. Looks great. One of these days I will break down and fix mine.
Quote from: 69_500 on February 13, 2013, 07:58:29 PM
Allen it's so nice of you to fix the 500 up before I buy it from you. ;) just kidding. Looks great. One of these days I will break down and fix mine.
You can start with the headliner...... :nana:
Thanks y'all for the pat on the back, but just trying to do my job and replicate what Allen's 500 deserves! The other two areo cars I know like the back of my hand, but tonite I was thrown for a loop
OK now school me on the conversion over at creative,I liked or comments or see some firewall shots of the vacuum hoses taped up in a ball,wad, cut off at the grommet or however they left after the conversion.
Thanks Ken
Quote from: Hemi_tyme on February 13, 2013, 10:51:54 PM
Thanks y'all for the pat on the back, but just trying to do my job and replicate what Allen's 500 deserves! The other two areo cars I know like the back of my hand, but tonite I was thrown for a loop
OK now school me on the conversion over at creative,I would like or comments or see some firewall shots of the vacuum hoses taped up in a ball,wad, cut off at the grommet or however they left after the conversion.
Thanks Ken
Quote from: Hemi_tyme on February 13, 2013, 10:51:54 PM
Thanks y'all for the pat on the back, but just trying to do my job and replicate what Allen's 500 deserves! The other two areo cars I know like the back of my hand, but tonite I was thrown for a loop
OK now school me on the conversion over at creative,I liked or comments or see some firewall shots of the vacuum hoses taped up in a ball,wad, cut off at the grommet or however they left after the conversion.
Thanks Ken
Here are some dis-assembly pictures...
Wiring...
One more...
Ken, the vaccum hose system would be just like any other '69 Charger. Creative's tech's were not standardized in the modifications of the headlamp vacuum hose system. For me, my 1st Charger 500 was cut at the firewall, about 2 to 3 inches protruding out the grommet. Now, my current Charger 500 the hoses were left in place and cut out by the firewall. I would put the hoses back together like any other '69 Charger. The end of the hoses now will just terminate where they are. Makes sense? If you know Daytonas, then you'll know 500's. Just remember, 500's all started life as a regular '69 Charger R/T. They cut the hoses to separate them from the headlamp pods (either close or far by the firewall ). I'm assuming the vacuum port on the back of the motor for the headlamp system was plugged.
There are more pictures at Chris' '69 Charger registry page
Thanks Troy,
The vacuum line routing looks a lot nicer and cleaner than balled or waded up and taped then shoved into the bracket above the master cylinder that was described to me earlier. I was thinking there's no way I could ever let a car leave my shop looking like that
Ken
Quote from: Hemi_tyme on February 14, 2013, 09:26:57 AM
Thanks Troy,
The vacuum line routing looks a lot nicer and cleaner than balled or waded up and taped then shoved into the bracket above the master cylinder that was described to me earlier. I was thinking there's no way I could ever let a car leave my shop looking like that
Ken
Ken, You can see the blue paint on the hoses in one of the pictures Allen took. So, I would venture to say the shop that did the last paint job removed them from the driver's side inner fender and just moved them out of the way, never putting them back. Now, you should see two holes in the top horizontal portion of the inner fender. That's where the two white retaining clips, which had the hoses taped to them, would snap into.. I'm sure you know what clips I'm referring to. Should be similar, if not the same, as those used on the Daytonas and Superbirds.....
Ken I will sort through some pics for you. Want me to email them to you? On my 500 the hoses are still run like a normal charger even just laying back behind the grille area.
Quote from: hemi68charger on February 13, 2013, 09:24:42 PM
Quote from: 69_500 on February 13, 2013, 07:58:29 PM
Allen it's so nice of you to fix the 500 up before I buy it from you. ;) just kidding. Looks great. One of these days I will break down and fix mine.
You can start with the headliner...... :nana:
Working on that one actually. That and an exhaust system and even going to replace some front end pieces to make it ride a little better.
Quote from: xs29j8Bullitt on January 05, 2013, 10:43:01 AM
Quote from: Rob1426 on January 04, 2013, 05:03:54 PM
Allen
What gear ratio is your car?
It sounds good
Hi Bob... Although the car came with 4.10s, it still has the 3.54s that the second owner installed during the 1973 fuel crisis... Remember when we tried it against your Hemi out near Fey's back 30 years ago in San Antonio?... Your Hemi won, but Ol' Yeller gave it a good run, and even now with 40+ old tired engine it still runs fairly strong...
Allen, I test drove the Hemi Cuda today. I attached a u-tube clip. Its like they are racing again 30 year later, except 3.54s in the Hemi now.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uHb2HiraR3g
Great video ! :2thumbs:
Although I'd be a little concerned about posting that stating your went over the speed limit , especially when there's a 55 MPH sign as you are driving.
Let me guess, Route 83, ND? :D
Meanwhile, back at Ken's place, the tempo builds as the late winter mating season for the mighty Charger steed rapidly approaches... :popcrn: Awesome detailing Ken! :cheers:
Looking great Ken... Allen, I know you can barely contain yourself...... :icon_smile_big:
WOW I wish I had your attention to detail. After the wreck I just gave up on mine. :'(
Quote from: Highbanked Hauler on February 23, 2013, 12:07:00 PM
WOW I wish I had your attention to detail. After the wreck I just gave up on mine. :'(
I'm take buddy :icon_smile_big: :icon_smile_big: :icon_smile_big:
Wait till y'all see the late winter mating pictures that I will post within the next hour or so... :D
Quote from: xs29j8Bullitt on February 23, 2013, 08:35:35 PM
Wait till y'all see the late winter mating pictures that I will post within the next hour or so... :D
The resizing of the pictures is taking longer than I expected, and I am getting phone calls about the cars that I have advertised for sale...
On your mark, get ready,.......................
Quote from: xs29j8Bullitt on February 23, 2013, 10:02:08 PM
Quote from: xs29j8Bullitt on February 23, 2013, 08:35:35 PM
Wait till y'all see the late winter mating pictures that I will post within the next hour or so... :D
The resizing of the pictures is taking longer than I expected, and I am getting phone calls about the cars that I have advertised for sale...
On your mark, get ready,.......................
GOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO... Well, at least start.... first 4 pics.... 14 more coming later tonight or tomorrow morning... had insomnia last night, maybe three hours sleep, so I'm going to get some sleep... Sorry
Sweet !!!! :2thumbs:
With luck mine will be about 75% as clean as yours when I get to it the second time. With 18K miles since I did it the last time mine definitely has the "used car" :lol: look. :2thumbs:
PICS...
MORE PICS...
Looks great :2thumbs:
:icon_smile_big: :icon_smile_big: :icon_smile_big: :icon_smile_big: :icon_smile_big: :icon_smile_big: :icon_smile_big: :icon_smile_big:
:drool5: :drool5: :drool5: Looks good :popcrn:
Last for today...
That looks so good and so much fun !!!! :2thumbs:
I thought my Iphone 5 took better pictures than whats posted (too grainy) or is the file too big? EDIT ok I see your telling me to clean my shop by editing out all the background :2thumbs:
(http://i26.photobucket.com/albums/c108/hemityme/photo.jpg)
:drool5: :2thumbs:
New pictures... Brakes & Suspension...
:cheers: :cheers: :cheers: :cheers: :cheers:
:popcrn: Keep the pics coming!
Quote from: Fitz73Chrgr on March 02, 2013, 06:08:27 PM
:popcrn: Keep the pics coming!
Okay... :icon_smile_big:
Ken is on a roll now....... and soon Blue Thunder will be too............. :cheers:
Quote from: xs29j8Bullitt on March 06, 2013, 10:48:48 PM
Quote from: Fitz73Chrgr on March 02, 2013, 06:08:27 PM
:popcrn: Keep the pics coming!
Okay... :icon_smile_big:
Ken is on a roll now....... and soon Blue Thunder will be too............. :cheers:
Driveshaft...
Good stuff! :2thumbs:
Ahhhhh,, Memories.......... :2thumbs:
Looks like you'll get it ready for the June AeroWarrior Meet down the street from you?
Quote from: hemi68charger on March 07, 2013, 06:22:44 AM
Ahhhhh,, Memories.......... :2thumbs:
Looks like you'll get it ready for the June AeroWarrior Meet down the street from you?
Ken will, if anyone can... I am just trying to keep him supplied with parts... right now the hunt is on for a reasonably priced "055" (2949055) radiator...
Great job! It amazes me the details you guys pay attention to! WOW :2thumbs:
Quote from: xs29j8Bullitt on March 07, 2013, 07:40:09 AM
Quote from: hemi68charger on March 07, 2013, 06:22:44 AM
Ahhhhh,, Memories.......... :2thumbs:
Looks like you'll get it ready for the June AeroWarrior Meet down the street from you?
Ken will, if anyone can... I am just trying to keep him supplied with parts... right now the hunt is on for a reasonably priced "055" (2949055) radiator...
well, don't let that stop you from "finishing" it........... :icon_smile_big:
looks awesome :drool5: :coolgleamA:
What is the gray color on the under side of the car ? Is it paint or epoxy with clear or what did you use ? Al :drool5:
Quote from: Highbanked Hauler on March 08, 2013, 11:17:37 AM
What is the gray color on the under side of the car ? Is it paint or epoxy with clear or what did you use ? Al :drool5:
I did the same thing on my '68 Hemi Charger R/T. our cars were dipped in a primer tank to about mid-quarter-panel.. When the car was painted, there was overspray along the outer edges and from the top of the firewall pointed down. The underside of our cars never got painted. More times than not, black undercoating was applied to cars, so you don't see the primer. Nowadays, there are several companies that produce a paint product that duplicates the primer color, but is actually paint, not primer....
The redline Goodyear repros arrived last week from Kelsey's latest run...four of them have been mounted on the reproduction "recall" wheels, and a fifth will be mounted on a stock steel wheel for the spare tire... The wheels required a special adapter for balancing by the lug holes as specified by Specialty Wheel. Ken's Superbird was nearby with the wheels off...Sooooooooooo..................
A few more pics...
I don't know...they don't look "right" on the 'Bird to me....they look better on the Charger
Bryan
Quote from: A383Wing on April 07, 2013, 03:17:10 PM
I don't know...they don't look "right" on the 'Bird to me....they look better on the Charger
Bryan
:iagree: Maybe because the Daytona is a better color :D
Truly an amazing build , spent the better half of the afternoon reading this thread , ive learned alot from your build , saw you go through some ups and downs and some near miss s ,, congrats to you on your 500..
Quote from: hemikev on April 07, 2013, 10:03:26 PM
Truly an amazing build , spent the better half of the afternoon reading this thread , ive learned alot from your build , saw you go through some ups and downs and some near miss s ,, congrats to you on your 500..
Thanks... A brief update:
Pics 1&2 below... Work continues on Blue Thunder
Pic 3... Took my `Cuda 440-6 to it's first show of the year with a friend's help
Pic 4... Scored a set of "NOS" unissued 1968 Texas YOM license plates on eBay.... not cheap, but I have been looking for 15+ years... have decided FVD*426 stands for "Favorite Vintage Dodge 426" :icon_smile_big:... the plates will be registered for my triple black 1968 Hemi Charger R/T :cheers:
Hey Allen, Are those NOS taillights or is that a used set you restored? They look really good. :2thumbs: Took a while but I've picked up 2 sets of NOS 69 Iowa plates. They really weren't that bad price wise off Ebay. Just takes a little looking. But on the other hand they aren't numbered 426 either. Good score!! :cheers:
:drool5: :popcrn:
Hi Allen, man that C500 is looking awesome. Keep up the good work Buddy. :2thumbs:
WINGR/Steve
Hey Allen! Just spent a few hours on the last couple days reading this build. The storyline is better then some of my books I have read (cept the part bout your mom.. my condolences a few years behind) What a fun read... you should put this thread into book form along with the pics when you finally start showing her. Nice.... very nice indeed :2thumbs: :2thumbs: :2thumbs:
Bob
A few parts availability issues continue to delay completion, but here are the latest pictures from Ken...
(http://i66.photobucket.com/albums/h269/xs29j8/1969%20440%204Spd%20Charger%20500%20Restoration/IMG_0428Enh1_1600W_zpsd8a75c2b.jpg)
(http://i66.photobucket.com/albums/h269/xs29j8/1969%20440%204Spd%20Charger%20500%20Restoration/IMG_0432Enh1_1600W_zpsc364801c.jpg)
(http://i66.photobucket.com/albums/h269/xs29j8/1969%20440%204Spd%20Charger%20500%20Restoration/IMG_7768Enh1_1600W_zps2fbca8e9.jpg)
(http://i66.photobucket.com/albums/h269/xs29j8/1969%20440%204Spd%20Charger%20500%20Restoration/IMG_0430Enh1_1600W_zpsf7ea8e3e.jpg)
(http://i66.photobucket.com/albums/h269/xs29j8/1969%20440%204Spd%20Charger%20500%20Restoration/IMG_0433Enh1_1600W_zpsdf638029.jpg)
Quote from: xs29j8Bullitt on July 02, 2013, 12:59:23 PM
A few parts availability issues continue to delay completion, but here are the latest pictures from Ken...
Looking good Allen......... :2thumbs:
Quote from: hemi68charger on July 02, 2013, 01:54:23 PM
Quote from: xs29j8Bullitt on July 02, 2013, 12:59:23 PM
A few parts availability issues continue to delay completion, but here are the latest pictures from Ken...
Looking good Allen......... :2thumbs:
:yesnod: :drool5: :popcrn:
Wow, the car is looking great! :cheers:
It should be a poster when its done.
:drool5: :drool5: :drool5: :drool5: :drool5: :drool5: :2thumbs: :2thumbs: :2thumbs: :2thumbs: :2thumbs:
nice looking charger :2thumbs:
looks great. love the wheels!!!
Progress continues on the final assembly of "Blue Thunder", as well as some progress on documenting the history of the Charger 500. I hope to have more pics to share soon, but here is one more for now...
:popcrn: :popcrn: cant wait to hear what history you found
I have gotten in touch with more members of the Phillips family, the prior titled owners of the Charger 500... by Facebook!
The Ed Krueger Motors dealership building is now the local Masonic Lodge...
wow great sluthing allen , good contacts you found there :popcrn: :popcrn:
sounds like your car may have terrorized that part of southern missouri .
The service bays, and front of the building...
Moparts member "indy dart" traveled 60 miles to Monett to research Ed Krueger Motors for me... THANKS REX!!!
I am also in touch with Kirby Krueger, a son of the late Ed Krueger... he says that he will try to help ... :cheers:
Also, I have been working on the artwork for some of the displays...
Resto looks great continued Success .Another B5 blue 500 that hailed from MO .My friends B5 car looked up on the list came from A E equipment in Mo
Need help from anyone familiar with Missouri license plates back in the late 1960s (1969)...
Questions:
1) Was there only a single (back) license plate required/issued?
2) What determined the "month" of the registration renewal (month stated on top of license plate)... If a new car was purchased in January of 1969, and the paperwork turned in to the DMV immediately, would a Jan 1969 plate be issued, or was it based on some other criteria like the first letter of the owner's last name? Orrrrr? :shruggy:
3) I assume the "Sep" license plate that was in my Charger 500 was probably a result of late renewals over the years...? :scratchchin:
4) So far I have not come across an unissued Missouri license plate as I have for some other states... has anyone seen "new, unissued" Missouri plates offered for sale?
5) Was there county based coding in the license plate number (like the 2nd letter used) or only the month coding of the first letter?
6) Anything else I should know about Missouri license plates of that era?
Allen, in '69 Missouri required one plate, mounted on the rear of the car. The month and year on the plate is the expiration date, not the issue date... If your car originally sold in January of '69, it would have had a January or Februrary '70 plate issued right out of the blocks and would have never had a '69 plate on it at all. Probably doesn't make much difference for you anyway, since you'll be registering it with Texas plate(s) anyway. I display my Daytona (and have it registered) with a June '69 plate that coincides with the SPD.
At least in '69 they didn't use reflective paint for the numbers, which really complicates any attempted plate restoration on later years.
The Sept plate was issued in 1981 or later, based on info I found on a great reference website for license plate stuff:
http://www.15q.net/
Quote from: hemigeno on August 19, 2013, 03:09:02 PM
Allen, in '69 Missouri required one plate, mounted on the rear of the car. The month and year on the plate is the expiration date, not the issue date... If your car originally sold in January of '69, it would have had a January or Februrary '70 plate issued right out of the blocks and would have never had a '69 plate on it at all.
You are right as usual Gene... bought a plate to modify... for displays only... :cheers:
hey Allen, Your PM box is full. Skip Smith called from the historical society and he has some sales brochures from the dealership. Give him a call. Later, Rex
Quote from: rnjump on September 04, 2013, 10:53:14 PM
hey Allen, Your PM box is full. Skip Smith called from the historical society and he has some sales brochures from the dealership. Give him a call. Later, Rex
THANKS REX! I just called Mr Smith, and he is sending two of the brochures to me! :cheers: Of particular interest is a 1969 Dodge brochure which includes the Charger line, with the Ed Krueger Motors stamp on it...
ALSO... I just spoke to Kirby Krueger (Ed Krueger's son)again, and he told me he had found a key ring/fob with the dealership name on it and look for more items this weekend... then send what he could next week! :cheers: :cheers:
Again, a special Thanks to Rex who offered to do some groundwork for the history research, then traveled to Monet to spend a Saturday being hypnotized by the microfiche machine... until he was sick of it... literally!
Allen,
You have some very cool Sherlock Holmes stuff here........... :2thumbs:
Allen it is a Beauty!
Marc
I love seeing/reading how this car has come together! Allen, I'm right there with you. I love the detective work and feel that it is very important in every car! Actually, sometimes I have more fun researching the cars than restoring them! hahaha. I think it's great that you have been able to uncover a lot of the car's history from day-one. I've taken a break for a little while researching my 69 Bee. I have it traced all the way back to around 1971 and then I hit a brick wall. I'll get back on it soon enough. Keep up the great work on your C500 and post pictures of the brochure and key chain when you get them. That's awesome!
Justin
"CornDog"
Allen,
It's been a while since I've been on here. You've made a lot of progress and the car is looking great. Best of luck to you and I'm looking forward to seeing the car completed. :popcrn:
Hi Allen,
ABSOLUTELY FABULOUS, as we say in England UK! :2thumbs:
All 500's are the best, especially in B5!!! :rofl: :rofl: :rofl:
I've got colour change on my mind again LoL. ::) ::) ::)
How many B5 4-speed 500's are there?
So the chances of me finding one to buy is next to nil.
I will read your thread with utmost attention as I start my 500 rebuild.
Can it be formated into a book or disc?
This kinda thread needs to be saved for prosterity!!!
I'm up to page-22 so far!
I've metal-worked on a few Wing-cars/500's and many other B-body cars.
My moto is 'leave as much original metal as possible'!
So I spend many hours trimming off rusty edges and welding on carefully shaped pieces.
Never seen a good repro wheelhouse yet!
Finding a good rustfree donor car JUST AINT GONNA HAPPEN these days.
Order of donorship is:- 318 cars for R/T's. R/T's and GTX's for Hemi-cars, Daytonas for 500's!!! :smilielol:
5J
Quote from: 500Jon on March 31, 2014, 05:11:31 AM
...I'm up to page-22 so far!
... 318 cars for R/T's. R/T's and GTX's for Hemi-cars, Daytonas for 500's!!! :smilielol:
...
What happens when you have both? You going to sacrifice one child for the next? ;D
Stunning work on a STUNNING car!
5J
I this restoration completed now?
Update??? :popcrn:
what a beautiful car. Are there any updates on it. Is it finished?
:popcrn: :popcrn: :popcrn: :popcrn: :popcrn: :popcrn:
:yesnod: :popcrn:
Quote from: AFMBR on March 23, 2015, 08:44:35 PM
what a beautiful car. Are there any updates on it. Is it finished?
Wow!... I almost don't know where to start after nearly two years of silence on this restoration...
First of all, my apologies for the long silence, but the last two years have been incredibly busy, challenging, and expensive. A few details later, but for now I will mention a MAJOR Remodel of my house, and some chronic health issues that included four hospital stays.
But, now, finally I can report the Charger 500 is incredibly near completion... NO, REALLY!!! :yesnod:
A few pictures tonight, more in the next few days...
WoW!
Welcome back, we was all very worried... :cheers:
Both for you and your wonderful C500!!! :2thumbs:
Graphics are superb too... :notworthy:
5J.
ps. I see the windshield is still not in!
I put my windshield in first, (big mistake) lol... :-\
B5 and Kelsey's... :drool5: :drool5: :drool5:
Green Goddess says HI to Blue thunder... :pity:
Allen, looks great... Look forward in seeing her one day.... Job well done and glad to see you back on the board... :2thumbs:
Looks great, when is it coming home?
Excellent! Glad to see you and the car back Allen.
Troy
Welcome back! Hope all is well. Looking forward to updates on all of your cars. :2thumbs:
welcome back buddy , we all missed you . Hope you are well and cant wait to see the car
Quote from: moparstuart on June 22, 2015, 04:36:04 PM
welcome back buddy , we all missed you . Hope you are well and cant wait to see the car
:yesnod: glad to see you back it it Allen
Quote from: Charger-Bodie on June 22, 2015, 06:56:39 PM
Quote from: moparstuart on June 22, 2015, 04:36:04 PM
welcome back buddy , we all missed you . Hope you are well and cant wait to see the car
:yesnod: glad to see you back it it Allen
:iagree : Good to see you :cheers: :cheers: , wondered whats been happening with the C500
:popcrn:
Quote from: 500Jon on June 21, 2015, 02:14:56 AM
WoW!
Welcome back, we was all very worried... :cheers:
Both for you and your wonderful C500!!! :2thumbs:
Graphics are superb too... :notworthy:
5J.
ps. I see the windshield is still not in!
I put my windshield in first, (big mistake) lol... :-\
B5 and Kelsey's... :drool5: :drool5: :drool5:
Green Goddess says HI to Blue thunder... :pity:
Thanks Jon, and BT sends a big
HiYa Mate! to GG
More please. :yesnod:
Quote from: daveco on June 24, 2015, 07:33:34 PM
More please. :yesnod:
Received yesterday... a few pictures:
Return of the Charger 500 to Texas is planned to take place by the end of October... :cheers:
Assuming it is back in time, I plan to have a small get-together on November 1st to show the car to some friends.
Very happy for you Allen!
Looking great!
Yep beautiful work and car. :2thumbs:
Ok time to start on the next project lol
Great news.
Quote from: xs29j8Bullitt on September 29, 2015, 09:16:15 PM
Received yesterday... a few pictures:
Return of the Charger 500 to Texas is planned to take place by the end of October... :cheers:
The car looks great, Allen!
Would love to see you and Blue Thunder in Alexander City, AL on the 24th... maybe they could deliver it there?? {hint hint}
Allen, I have some spare time. You want me to go back to Monett to do some further searching for the car's history or are you satisfied with what you have found?
Quote from: hemigeno on September 30, 2015, 08:59:54 AM
Quote from: xs29j8Bullitt on September 29, 2015, 09:16:15 PM
Received yesterday... a few pictures:
Return of the Charger 500 to Texas is planned to take place by the end of October... :cheers:
The car looks great, Allen!
Would love to see you and Blue Thunder in Alexander City, AL on the 24th... maybe they could deliver it there?? {hint hint}
Yea, Yea, what he said!
Quote from: xs29j8Bullitt on September 29, 2015, 09:16:15 PM
Quote from: daveco on June 24, 2015, 07:33:34 PM
More please. :yesnod:
Received yesterday... a few pictures:
Return of the Charger 500 to Texas is planned to take place by the end of October... :cheers:
Assuming it is back in time, I plan to have a small get-together on November 1st to show the car to some friends.
awesome stuff :drool5: looking forward to seeing more pictures as & when :cheers:
Allen, looks great.
Need to bring it to Talladega.
Quote from: hemigeno on September 30, 2015, 08:59:54 AM
Quote from: xs29j8Bullitt on September 29, 2015, 09:16:15 PM
Received yesterday... a few pictures:
Return of the Charger 500 to Texas is planned to take place by the end of October... :cheers:
The car looks great, Allen!
Would love to see you and Blue Thunder in Alexander City, AL on the 24th... maybe they could deliver it there?? {hint hint}
Thanks Gene, after the almost decade long start/stop restoration effort, Blue Thunder deserves to be seen for the first time at an event like that... so, I am making arrangements to get it there. At this time it is unclear whether Jessica & I will be able to attend. If so, it would be a last minute decision and a direct Fort Worth to Alexander City run in the SRT, while a good friend of mine from just down the street (Bill Hugill) would make the trek up HemiTyme's place to pick up the C500 and head out to Alexander City... Blue Thunder would be riding in style and pure luxury, Bill and Angie will use their massive motor home / enclosed trailer combo. They plan to use the motor home as their "room", so I need to be brought up to speed on what else will be needed (reservations, tickets, etc).
Getting Close!!! :cheers: :cheers: :cheers: :popcrn: :popcrn: :popcrn: :drool5: :drool5: :drool5:
Banner Artwork...
wheel well chrome on the front and not the rear?? :scratchchin:
White Stripe Allen? Is that what's on it?
Wow! Looks fantastic :cheers:
Quote from: Davtona on October 03, 2015, 08:00:21 PM
White Stripe Allen? Is that what's on it?
My bad Dave... :icon_smile_blackeye: :shruggy: :P
Quote from: A383Wing on October 03, 2015, 07:52:18 PM
wheel well chrome on the front and not the rear?? :scratchchin:
Nice "tape" rear reflectors as well.. maybe he's not quite done on assembly! :icon_smile_big:
WOW :o :o
What a beautiful machine. You should really be proud Allen. Just gorgeous :2thumbs:
Quote from: A383Wing on October 03, 2015, 07:52:18 PM
wheel well chrome on the front and not the rear?? :scratchchin:
When I shipped a NOS Set of Wheel Opening Moldings for the C500, I apparently sent two right side moldings for the rear...
Quote from: birdsandbees on October 04, 2015, 07:18:56 PM
Quote from: A383Wing on October 03, 2015, 07:52:18 PM
wheel well chrome on the front and not the rear?? :scratchchin:
Nice "tape" rear reflectors as well.. maybe he's not quite done on assembly! :icon_smile_big:
Hence, I noted "Getting Close" when I posted the pictures... The rear side markers are to be installed after the tail stripe decal... BTW, the decal awaiting installation is the correct black version instead of a white one as I inadvertantly "photoshopped" on the large banner artwork.
fantastic , congrats buddy :drool5: :drool5: :drool5: :drool5: :drool5: :drool5:
Looks very nice Allen. Good Job!! :2thumbs:
Look forward to seeing it Allen and you too.
Tantalisingly close :drool5:
Quote from: 69_500 on October 06, 2015, 04:19:07 PM
Look forward to seeing it Allen and you too.
:2thumbs: :2thumbs: :2thumbs: :2thumbs: :2thumbs: :2thumbs:
Quote from: C500 on October 06, 2015, 04:30:14 PM
Tantalisingly close :drool5:
Even closer now... Ken is working minor "bugs" now, mostly vendor screw-ups or I having sent the wrong part years ago.
The plan is to have my friend Bill Hugill pick up the Charger 500 on Thursday to take it to the AeroCar Reunion, then home to Texas...
Quote from: xs29j8Bullitt on October 21, 2015, 10:14:10 AM
Quote from: C500 on October 06, 2015, 04:30:14 PM
Tantalisingly close :drool5:
Even closer now... Ken is working minor "bugs" now, mostly vendor screw-ups or I having sent the wrong part years ago.
The plan is to have my friend Bill Hugill pick up the Charger 500 on Thursday to take it to the AeroCar Reunion, then home to Texas...
are you going to be able to sneak down also Allen ??? hope you dont miss out
The plan is to have my friend Bill Hugill pick up the Charger 500 on Thursday to take it to the AeroCar Reunion, then home to Texas...
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The plan is no more... Sorry! My Charger 500 will not be at the Reunion, this hard decision was due to several factors... and, after talking it over with Ken & Bill, I pulled the plug on the last minute adventure. Back to Ken delivering it to me by November 1st... :cheers:
Bummer.
Quote from: Dave Kanofsky on October 21, 2015, 02:44:10 PM
Bummer.
:yesnod: :rotz: :rotz: :rotz: but better it get finished and done right
Man Allen !! Your garage, at least in that corner, looks so tidy........... Blue thunder looks great......... Wanna trade it for a Superbird? :nana:
Quote from: hemi68charger on October 30, 2015, 09:24:58 AM
Man Allen !! Your garage, at least in that corner, looks so tidy........... Blue thunder looks great......... Wanna trade it for a Superbird? :nana:
2 guys working 3 days made a difference in the workshop...
Quote from: hemi68charger on October 30, 2015, 09:24:58 AM
Man Allen !! Your garage, at least in that corner, looks so tidy........... Blue thunder looks great......... Wanna trade it for a Superbird? :nana:
I swear i hear you say no more trades :icon_smile_big: I knew you werent done
Congratulations Allen, nice to see it in your stable.
I didn't realize the engine was out of the 68?
wow , looks awesome :popcrn: ! great stuff :dance:
Quote from: moparstuart on October 30, 2015, 12:08:03 PM
I swear i hear you say no more trades :icon_smile_big: I knew you werent done
Like it would really happen......... :rofl:
Quote from: hemi68charger on October 30, 2015, 02:24:09 PM
Quote from: moparstuart on October 30, 2015, 12:08:03 PM
I swear i hear you say no more trades :icon_smile_big: I knew you werent done
Like it would really happen......... :rofl:
:rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: ;)
Finally got to see it in person tonight, ---WOW---, it's a beauty!
(http://i112.photobucket.com/albums/n188/pmhurco/IMG_2890_zpsi6bzw4km.jpg) (http://s112.photobucket.com/user/pmhurco/media/IMG_2890_zpsi6bzw4km.jpg.html)
Quote from: daveco on November 01, 2015, 07:27:43 PM
Finally got to see it in person tonight, ---WOW---, it's a beauty!
Dave - Thanks for coming by to celebrate Blue Thunders return...
Seeing that shear gorgeousness is really swaying me to paint my 'Bee back to it's original B5 !
If you don't mind me asking, paint brand and code?? Thanks! Wayne
Quote from: birdsandbees on November 02, 2015, 01:01:35 PM
Seeing that shear gorgeousness is really swaying me to paint my 'Bee back to it's original B5 !
If you don't mind me asking, paint brand and code?? Thanks! Wayne
PPG Brand DBC2019
http://www.dodgecharger.com/forum/index.php?topic=13483.0
Quote from: Charger-Bodie on October 30, 2015, 01:34:49 PM
I didn't realize the engine was out of the 68?
Hi Brian... I took the numbers matching Hemi out in the early 1980s, and ran a 1970 Hemi in it that was from a 1970 Super Bee VIN# WM23R0G167075, but I sold that engine with my 1970 Hemi Cuda last year. The numbers matching engine will be going back in when the Hemi Charger is restored.
Quote from: xs29j8Bullitt on November 02, 2015, 03:30:18 PM
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Hi Brian... I took the numbers matching Hemi out in the early 1980s, and ran a 1970 Hemi in it that was from a 1970 Super Bee VIN# WM23R0G167075, but I sold that engine with my 1970 Hemi Cuda last year. The numbers matching engine will be going back in when the Hemi Charger is restored.
That yellow beak looks familiar........
Quote from: xs29j8Bullitt on November 02, 2015, 03:30:18 PM
Quote from: Charger-Bodie on October 30, 2015, 01:34:49 PM
I didn't realize the engine was out of the 68?
Hi Brian... I took the numbers matching Hemi out in the early 1980s, and ran a 1970 Hemi in it that was from a 1970 Super Bee VIN# WM23R0G167075, but I sold that engine with my 1970 Hemi Cuda last year. The numbers matching engine will be going back in when the Hemi Charger is restored.
i see. When is that taking place?
Getting to know Blue Thunder...
https://youtu.be/kb_iZTaWwZI (https://youtu.be/kb_iZTaWwZI)
Awesome!
Troy
Quote from: Troy on November 10, 2015, 11:49:21 AM
Awesome!
I agree! :2thumbs:
Wish both you and the car could have been at Talladega - would love to have seen it first-hand, and catch up on how you're doing these days.
Great job, Allen (& Ken too)!
Very, very nice. :2thumbs:
Nice Going Allen !!! Not sure if my eyes are playing games, but looks like you need to get those brake lights working !!! :icon_smile_big:
I was only a passenger... :angel:
https://youtu.be/r4Rbxyj--vg
Beautiful :cheers:
Beautiful job Allen :cheers:
I hope you have many years of fun and memory building with "Blue"
Love it!
awesome stuff :drool5: :cheers: :drive: :yesnod:
:2thumbs: Blue thumbs up.
The ONLY thing about this thread I don't like is the reminder that I recently sold my B5 C500.
I started missing mine the moment I was paid. :cheers:
The car is positively stunning in person, congrats Allen :cheers:
A couple of Blue Thunder thank yous today... First, a great big THANK YOU to DC.Com member "daveco", a longtime friend of mine, for replacing the driver's side exhaust tip with a NOS exhaust tip "pulled from Dodge Mahal inventory"... ;) The failed part was a NOS part also, but the "Z" bracket attaching weld to the body of the chromed tip failed during the short drive around the neighborhood, and the small "Z" bracket is MIA... :P :brickwall:
A second big THANK YOU! goes out to Kirby Krueger, the son of the owner of the Dodge dealership which sold my Charger 500 when it was brand spanking new! Kirby's father was Ed Krueger, and the original selling dealership listed in the "Shipping" List that Galen Govier has was "Ed Krueger Motors, Inc" in Monett Missouri. :cheers: :coolgleamA:
Kirby has provided me with an original dealership promo key fob with the "Ed Krueger Motors Inc" marking... :coolgleamA: :2thumbs: :coolgleamA:
Quote from: xs29j8Bullitt on May 03, 2016, 08:36:36 AM
A second big THANK YOU! goes out to Kirby Krueger, the son of the owner of the Dodge dealership which sold my Charger 500 when it was brand spanking new! Kirby's father was Ed Krueger, and the original selling dealership listed in the "Shipping" List that Galen Govier has was "Ed Krueger Motors, Inc" in Monett Missouri. :cheers: :coolgleamA:
Kirby has provided me with an original dealership promo key fob with the "Ed Krueger Motors Inc" marking... :coolgleamA: :2thumbs: :coolgleamA:
Nice !!!!
very cool :cheers:
impressive man
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Your Charger turned out perfect!!! :2thumbs:
Quote from: xs29j8Bullitt on May 03, 2016, 07:57:40 AM
A couple of Blue Thunder thank yous today... First, a great big THANK YOU to DC.Com member "daveco", a longtime friend of mine, for replacing the driver's side exhaust tip with a NOS exhaust tip "pulled from Dodge Mahal inventory"... ;) The failed part was a NOS part also, but the "Z" bracket attaching weld to the body of the chromed tip failed during the short drive around the neighborhood, and the small "Z" bracket is MIA... :P :brickwall:
I hope you have better luck with your tips than I did with mine. They were NOS also from back in the 90S and after 20 K miles they are rusted to death. I have been debating having them sent out to be chromed or just get a set of stainless steel tips. :Twocents:
Really happy for you Allen . It took some doing , but you powered through!
Quote from: Charger-Bodie on May 07, 2016, 12:37:34 PM
Really happy for you Allen . It took some doing , but you powered through!
Thanks Brian, it was a long, hard road to restore the Charger 500...
And now, it has it's first car show outing, escorted by my 'Cuda 440-6 which was at the first Cowtown Mopar RoundUp in 1987, and now the 30th Annual CMR!!! Also escorting Blue Thunder was my Challenger SRT8 driven by my wife Jessica with two young nephews visiting from California... Their very first car show!
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Looks like there was a great time for all.... Thanks for sharing Allen... Looks like you had fun.... :2thumbs:
Good times!
congratulations Allen.
The 500 looks great
Carsten
looks awesome Allen , great stuff :drool5: :dance: thanks for posting the pictures :2thumbs: :cheers:
Looks great!! Congrats! :cheers: :cheers:
OMG, thats STUNNING!!! :drool5: :drool5: :drool5:
Be careful out there on the Streets...
You are the MAN! :notworthy:
I'm still thinking of a B5 repaint after seeing your fabulous car?
The only thing is see different is, you are Power Steering.
I have owned and driven Manual Steering 4-speed, Bods in the past, it certainly wasn't fun around London Town lol. :smilielol:
5J
Inner fender dents.
Were these factory dents?
Did you fix them?
Blue Thunder had it's second outing a week ago today, once again actually being driven on public roads... this time to the monthly event that is hosted by the Christian Classic Cruisers at the Birdville ISD Athletic Complex parking lot... even with the heat, it was a lot of fun. The two other cars we took were once again were my Challenger SRT8 driven by my wife Jessica, and this time my `Cuda 440-6 was driven by my sister-in-law Meriem...
Videos now, pictures later.
https://youtu.be/f0B5TdBTpWQ (https://youtu.be/f0B5TdBTpWQ)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ofneWQKFqHM (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ofneWQKFqHM)
congratulations Allen !
Carsten
great stuff :drool5: :2thumbs: :coolgleamA: :cheers:
Two days ago, the gentleman from Aurora, MO who purchased the Charger 500 as a used car in 1971 from Ed Krueger Motors came by to see the car that used to be a large part of his life in the early and mid-1970s... Frank Phillips, originally from Aurora Missouri, spent about two hours talking to me about his time with the car and that of friends and family members.
Here is a video clip showing a bit of the visit...
https://youtu.be/YTGeINgyB8E (https://youtu.be/YTGeINgyB8E)
So very cool!
:2thumbs: :2thumbs: great stuff to learn about and understand a cars history that far back.
awesome ! , :2thumbs: great stuff :yesnod: :2thumbs: :coolgleamA:
This is what the hobby is all about! Great background history!